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Old thread: >>36746653

The Source Spoilers here -
https://imgur.com/a/scoeY

All spoilers from the System Crash draft -
http://imgur.com/a/1g8F6

O&C Spoilers here -
https://www.reddit.com/r/Netrunner/comments/2nfqst/order_and_chaos_text_spoilers/

What should I buy? - http://www.reddit.com/r/Netrunner/wiki/buyingguide

Want to get a local community going? - http://stimhack.com/meet-lonely-runners-in-your-area/

Why is Reina Roja the best Anarch ID and how is O&C going to make her even more awesome ?

You have two hours, assignment will be noted collectively.

>> No.36836448

RIP Queen Snow-Jax ;_;.

>> No.36836548

Who would win a fight? Quetzal or Director Haas?

>> No.36836655

>>36836548
A pillow fight?

>> No.36836976

>>36836548
In a physical fight, probably Haas. She's got some meat on her bones, whereas Quetzal is a stick figure.

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>>36836548
Did someone say fight?

>> No.36837553

Pfffff... two hours almost up and still nothing, going to have to blow your houses.

>> No.36837697

>>36836270
What in O&C looks good for Reina in particular?

>> No.36837740

>>36837697
I think the bike fits her character, but mechanically I see nothing in particular. Maybe Data Folding since her Caïssa is already hosted in Deep Red?

>> No.36837830

>>36837697
The whole Cutlery suite. Make them rez ice, then eat it, Keyholeing all the time.

>> No.36837999

>>36837697

As noted in previous thread, I like how Harbinger interacts with her classic Knight+Rook Caïssa build - every time the corp trashes an ICE to get rid of a Caïssa, the runner can also trash card(s) from R&D.

Cuttlery suite, obviously, >>36837830 by forcing the corp to rez more ICE.

Qianju PT + Salvager with Activist Support (what can I say, I play that shit !)

Amped to maximize your deep-dig openings when you put the corp in a situation when it cannot rez ICE.

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>>36837697
Reina has nothing in particular. She's just a strong ID ability that gains a bit of edge with derez and ice destruction. If the Corp economy ever takes a hit, she will be strong as she can pinch their money even further.

I'm not a huge fan of French Raina art, and I understand Reina is all-in-destroy-Weyland mode, but they should've given her the slightest touch of femininity. If her hair was down in the original art, it would make up for the cyber-jaw and the obviously dope-as-fuck muscle suit.

>> No.36839379

>>36837999
It would be interesting to see if running those 6x cards in Reina with other Valencia BP sets would be good. Is Reina's ability + link worth the 6 card slots and set up time?

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>>36839314
The musclesuit is not a suit, anon. She's a cyborg, it's actually a part of her body now.

>> No.36839504

>>36839379

I've been cutting my teeth on building that ICE destruction Cuttlery + Caïssa deck for some time now.

And it's hard to fit things.

One good aspect is that Harbinger can advantageously compliment or even replace DLR. It becomes a nice form of pressuring by itslef.

The bad thing is that there's kind of a counter synergy between the cutlery suite and the caïssa suite: you don't want to be the one to trash your ICE-hosted cards, which slows you down even more than the classic builds if the corp plays it right.

But then I'll have to wait for the box before I start building in earnest.

>>36839314

I don't know about strong. She's... balanced is what she is I'd say. Most other Anarch IDs are stronger I would even argue.

>> No.36839529

>>36839314
I like how she went from badass cyborg to skanky big-tittied human.

>> No.36839653

>>36839314
>>36839529
It's not an official card, just a recolor of http://adam.schumperts.com/Barbarella.html

>> No.36839953

Adam Schumpert who, amusingly was the artist for Activist Support.

So... when are we getting Anarch flavored trace/link mechanic cards besides Disrupter ?

It's hard to try and capitalize on those Anarch Link IDs when most of the cool toys are on the other sides.

>> No.36840007

>>36839953
It's weird that anarch keep getting link IDs when they don't care about link at all, they rather get tagged by the trace and then install a DLR to punish the Corp.

>> No.36840309

Hey. I have a beginner question. I am a big cyberpunkfan and wanted to play a card game for a long time. Now in the beginning I want to play the game casually with my flatmate and see if I/we want to play more etc...

Now my question is one starter/core set in the beginning enought or is there a data set that is really good for starting/getting in the game? Just asking. Would also be my first card game.

>> No.36840317

>>36840007

Well, there are *neutral* options.

And I also think it's hard to design cards - and a context for those cards - that fits the faction.

But it is kinda maddening to always look at the card pool and see very little that fits Link and the general play-styles of the faction. And you know, given they're adding Kim, I was hoping for *something* on that front in O&C.

>> No.36840386

>>36840309

Really depend on people. I have a couple of friends who just have the core set and are perfectly satisfied like that.

Obviously, once you're into the game, having all those new options and cool toys becomes tempting, but the core set is solid enough on it's own.

All the more if you're not planning on playing against people that aren't using the full card pool.

>> No.36840512

>>36840007
It's weird, but most link stuff makes sense thematically

Anarchs have 2, a criminal leader and a freedom fighter
Criminals have 2, a not-so-ex spy and an ex aristocrat
Shapers have 3, a hobo, a guy who's always on the move and an artist.

>> No.36840595

>>36840309
The Core set is plenty for you and your flatmate. It comes with 4 corporation decks and 3 runner decks (total of 134 cards) that you can use as pre-made decks while you're learning or start mixing factions when you're ready to build your own decks.

>> No.36840619

>>36840386
Ok cool thanks for the answer. Will get the core set. If we like the game we maybe get some data sets. Just wanted to know if the core set is solid on its own.

>> No.36840629

>>36840512
Andromeda is not an ex-aristocrat, she IS an aristocrat, she's just bored with it and being a criminal more or less for the fun of it.

>> No.36840717

>>36840512
>Anarchs have 2, a criminal leader and a freedom fighter

Gotta love how what basically could pass as a hard-left, pro-worker syndicalist inspired ID is being seen as a criminal leader (not that the two are exactly mutually exclusive, but you'd think Kim was a mob head with that moniker).

>>36840595

Only issue if you go for only one core set is that you're going to have some difficulties in making four decks (2 runners and 2 corp) at the same time. So you'll ahve to be be willing to either swap decks or cards.

>> No.36840763

>>36840629
Source? Is this speculation or is there lore I don't know about?

>> No.36840818

>>36840763

I don't know about any other info myself, maybe the anon you're talking to will, but "Dispossessed Ristie" implies that she's lost the money and assets, not the title.

>> No.36840879

>>36840629
I like to think that someone (Probably the govenrment) took away most of her money, hence the "Dispossessed ristie" title, but that she is still an active member of the aristocracy. Also, she is robbing blind the corps to reclaim what was hers.

>> No.36840883

>>36840717
Wait, I'm not 100% sure Human First are criminals, though they have ties to organised crime.
Though I think they have excellent lawyers, who'll tell you that nothing has ever been proven

>>36840629
Andy is a Dispossessed Riste - she's been all but kicked out, and is forced to run to maintain her lifestyle.

>> No.36841059

>>36840717
>Gotta love how what basically could pass as a hard-left, pro-worker syndicalist inspired ID is being seen as a criminal leader
I don't see why anyone would assume he's any kind of leader. Human First and Humanity Labor are both pretty big organizations. The kind whose leaders wear suits and ties. Kim is clearly just muscle.

>> No.36841183

>>36840883

Just look at the Kim Quote on Human First. It really sound like leftist rhetoric, not some criminal leader.

I really like what they've done with Human First - it has that element where you can understand and empathize, think they're right and worth supporting to a point, yet they're not painted as perfect "good guys". It's more nuanced than that.

The good they're trying to do comes attached with a somewhat vicious angle too. And not even just the violent, class-warfare bits - which at least could be justified, but the luddite, somewhat - I'm not even sure we have a right term for that, let's go with xenophobic - side.

It's incredible how good and suggestive (no, not like that) the dev team of that game can be at imparting those things given how little space it has to do so.

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>>36841183

Forgot the pic. Sorry.

>>36841059

Yeah, there's that too. He's obviously a member - or affiliated, but I'm more picturing him as some deniable asset for the higher ups on the food chain.

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>>36841183
Yeah it's pretty good, though HF/HL is one of the longest-standing bits of the lore, right back to the original board game.

Also the devs are starting to introduce the better aspects of the corps too - Harmony and Gagarin certainly, and apparently there's more in this theme in San San (I think it might have been snow-jax that said that)

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>> No.36844940

>>36843296
Said it before and I'l say it again, genetic resequencing is gonna a big deal in the right kind of deck.

>> No.36845039

>>36844940
I want to run a ton of gene mods in an Edward Kim deck. To be more than human is to be human

>> No.36845092

>>36843296
Capital investors has got to be 0-1 to trash, right?

>> No.36845193

>>36836448
What happened?

>> No.36845331

>>36844940

Gonna need to see what those g-mods do first.

>>36845092

I don't know, but it's one of those cards that has "was for Gagarin but wasn't enough space (see what I did ?) in the box" written all over it.

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>>36845331
>Gonna need to see what those g-mods do first.
Not seeing the relevance.

>> No.36845453

>>36845393

Honestly, even with just Nisei Mk II, this is pretty sweet

>> No.36845501

>>36845393

There's none, my addled brain replaced Genetic Resequencing with Gene Conditioning Shoppe.

I'm not going to survive that month.

Also, officially released:

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=5273

>> No.36845568

>>36845193
She hasn't posted in a while, which I assume is why such a message was posted.

>> No.36845890

>>36845501

Now I'm praying that O&C actually releases alongside.

I'm so sad it won't be the case.

>> No.36845964

>>36845890
just hit "the boat" in the last couple days. End of January probably

>> No.36846007

>>36845964

Why must you kill my hopes so ?

>> No.36846012

>>36845890
I know it sucks my Weyland toys are currently being tied up by the stupid Dock workers

>> No.36846044

>>36846007
Sorry brotato. I ordered all of lunar and O&C from CSI. Because it was a preorder, I have to wait until all of it is released. I'm beyond disappointed about the whole thing

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>>36846044

I am now picturing a sad, cyberpunk dudebro version of Beartato, and it's all your FAULT !

Need to become my next custom ID.

>> No.36847503

>>36839314
Can we please not post sexist shit like this. 4chan is my safe space and I don't want to see stuff like that here body shaming me.

>> No.36847535

>>36845568
She quit with the new reCAPTCHA as she did not want to get tracked. She tried posting on the other /ANRG/ but it is dead.
Odds are she will just stick to Reddit now that 4chan is a SJW controlled death camp.

>> No.36847928

>>36847503
>4chan is my safe space
>4chan
>safe space

>> No.36848087

>>36847503
-9001/10

lrn2troll

>> No.36848474

>>36847928
Sorry but we and our kind have moved in. This is our safe place now and people who don't like it can leave or be banned.

>> No.36852006

So, what do you guys think about Sage? It seems pretty beastly to me. Mount it up a Dino and just enjoy the ride

>> No.36852493

Guys, I have a question about Tollbooth:

When you encounter a Tollbooth with a Parasite on it, can you kill it with Datasucker without having to pay three? All three of those cards are triggered during "encounter", so it's kinda confusing.

>> No.36852640

>>36852493
Nope. Look at the timing chart: encounter effects (Tollbooth) trigger before you get to use paid abilities (Datasucker).

>> No.36853739

Anyone got a ETA of The Source on OCTGN?
I have had the pack for almost an entire week at this point and nothing out of DB0's twitter about working on it.

>> No.36853832

>>36853739
Has he tweeted before when he's working on new packs?

>> No.36854486

Archives Siphon (Anarch, 0 cost, 4 influence)
---
Event - Run
---
Make a run on Archives. If successful, instead of accessing cards, you may remove up to 5 cards in Archives from the game, draw a card for each card removed, and take 2 tags.

>> No.36854764

>>36854486
Completely obsoletes Archives Interface in-faction.

>> No.36854791

>>36854764
Not really, you're not gonna use this event every time you run on Archives.

>> No.36854940

>>36854791
No, but it does the job of an archives interface without the install cost, without the install click, and with easily five times the punching power, plus serious card draw, and enabling DLR by tagging you.

>> No.36855009

>>36853832
Yes he always does.

>> No.36855077

ChiLo City Grid is amazing with Troll. I haven't quite figured out how to expose it the most efficiently, but 2x Shoot the Moon 2x Psychographics is a pretty good threat.

Since most of the tools are in NBN, I think I have room for biotic labour. FA is a bigger threat, I believe. 3x Tollbooth for StM, 2x Shell Corp to put on the ChiLo server root to pressure the natural reaction to Tagging decks - turtle.

It won a few games, lost equally. Most losses were people picking up Astros in R&D while I waited for it with Biotic.

Data Raven is better than Virgo I think, even in Making News. Just because of Faerie and lots running stealth switchblade.

>> No.36855114

>>36855077
Still not better than NEH Astrobiotics.

>> No.36855135

>>36852640
Would that mean that a parasite with two counters, scrubbed, and ice carver would mean you don't have to pay the cost?

>> No.36855182

>>36855135
Yes. Same with Data Raven.

>> No.36855229

>>36855182
What about on an AOYCR run?
>>36843931

>> No.36856157

I hate what Gamershits and Social Justice Parasites have done to this topic.
It used to be the best topic on 4chan, have the best tripfags, the best debate, and overall just amazing. It was the example of what 4chan can be.

Now it is just a dead husk of it's old self. Gamershits ran off FFG Insider, SJWs chased off Snow-Jax, and nothing is left.

Why is it any time I have a place I feel I belong and am safe some one comes in and fucks it up in the name of helping some oppressed group.

>> No.36856458

>>36855229
If you encounter Data Raven with AOYCR you can jack out instead of taking a tag.

>> No.36856604

Just played some netrunner like half an hour ago, it was great fun.
I still need to grasp the rules a bit more, but definitely enjoying it.

>> No.36856673

>>36856604
Glad to hear it, nothing like a new person enjoying something you love to warm the cockles of our cold, barren cyberspace.

>> No.36856697

>>36841558

That is adorable. I'm honestly happy to see some non-supervillian stuff for corps. Make it a bit more grey and grey with a (Questionably) terrorist Human First.

>> No.36857105

I wish Power Shutdown wasn't a thing so I could run a gigantic-ass Scheherazade tree against Weyland without fear.

>> No.36857250

>>36857105
Sacrificial Construct?

>> No.36857551

>>36857250
I guess. Also, I just found out that Scheherazade hosted programs still count against your MU, meaning I can't use it to amass Lampreys/Datasuckers/Caches in my wacky Noise mill deck. I guess there's still Djinn, though. But I feel like Scheherazade is useless now.

>> No.36857610

>>36857551
Pawn + Deep Red + Scheherazade

>> No.36857747

>>36857610
Could work if you happen to draw all of those cards early on. Still not convinced Scheherazade is worth a deckslot, though.

>> No.36858054

>>36857551
Origami + Ekomind.

>> No.36858141

>>36858054
Sounds fun, but the only cards I have are the old dinosaurs from The Spaces Between and before.

>> No.36858513

>>36858141
I still only have up to C&C.

>> No.36858548

Have you ordered your Team Covenant click trackers, /nrg/?

>> No.36858562

>>36858548
forgot link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbHX2ME8p28

>> No.36858709

>>36858562
I like how Jonathan is just a blonde Steven.

>> No.36858783

>>36858709
They look so goddamn the same you ask one of them "you want ice cream cone?" they both say yes.

>> No.36860066 [DELETED] 

While in China for work I a managed to pick up copies of the Sansan Cycle packs. Anyone interested in spoilers?

$200 a pack to spoil. You can paypal me the money at [email protected]

>> No.36860392

>>36860066
>I am not a clever troll

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>>36858562
>>36858709
>>36858783

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>>36860066
>not even trying/10
Seriously anon, this is just embarassing

>> No.36863238

>>36857105
You could, y'know, run Faerie and similar...

>> No.36863403

>>36863238
At three influence and its temporary nature, I dunno if I'll be taking this outside of crim.

>> No.36863709

>>36857105
Paricia, SMC, or Inti are your best bets.

>> No.36863852

>>36863709
Man I wish Paricia was for "cards", not Assets, like Scrubber. Would make that card a hell of a lot better.

>> No.36865493

Is there really a reason to use Markus 1.0 over Eli 1.0?

>> No.36865784

>>36865493
Over Eli? No. With Eli, on the other hand...

>> No.36865786

>>36865493
Markus can put more early game pressure on the runner.

Like, a blind run into an eli just ends the run, no big deal. But a blind run into Markus is either going to cost them a program or a click if that program matters to them enough.

>> No.36866602

>>36865786
>a blind run into Markus is either going to cost them a program or a click if that program matters to them enough.
unless they're running naked, in which case eli is more taxing to break

>> No.36866745

>>36866602
Of course. It's not like they could make Markus flat out better.

But Markus is more about punishing a face checking player as ICE then Eli is.

Eli's just generally better at keeping the runner out, but an early Markus can really set the runner back.

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Bump

>> No.36872224

So, I am wondering what new toys Weyland -Because we built it recieve that will make actually playable.

>> No.36872320

>>36872224
I honestly don't know if BWBI is ever going to be all that good. Its not an issue of advancing ICE being bad, its needing to spend a click each turn to make use of your ID. If BWBI said "You have 1 additional click to spend each turn. Use this click only for advancing ICE" it would see a lot of play even though you would need to pay for the advancement because you could still get everything else done in a turn. BWBI is a dead ability on turns you don't advance ICE and a minor boon on turns that you do, I'm not sure if new toys will be able to change that.

The most powerful IDs so far have been the ones that reward you for doing what you were already going to do: Kate, HB:ETF, NEH, Andy (rewards you for playing the game).

I think the best BWBI can hope for is Exile level: fun jank that would probably be more competitive if built for a different ID.

>> No.36872419

>>36872320
>"You have 1 additional click to spend each turn. Use this click only for advancing ICE"
Or "When your turn begins, you may place an advancement counter on an installed piece of ice that can be advanced."

>> No.36872425

>>36872419
Or "1 rec credit. Use this credit for advancing cards".

>> No.36872447

>>36872419
That's actually way stronger than what I posted, but yeah, the point remains that BWBI is just not a strong ID ability.

>>36872425
This would do it, I think.

>> No.36873161

>>36872447
Really even if you combine it with Constelation protocol and the Space Ice?

>> No.36873506
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Is it just me or does crypsis get worse and worse?

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>>36873506
I mean he's been totally replaced by eater in my mind

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>>36873506
Could be worse.

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>>36873559
I suppose, But you're not supposed to break with Wyrm IMO

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>>36873589
He's fine for just parasite recursion, but

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>>36873598
there's only so many of those and hive mind may just be better

>> No.36873647

>>36873598
Wyrm has nothing to do with recursion.

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>>36873647
Well, he's nice to have in addition to suckers at least. Not saying he's good, again, eater is better at ice destruction and parasite support.

>> No.36873665

I'm secretly in love with the whole concept of Wyrm + Fixed breakers. But having a bunch of datasuckers is just plain better.

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>>36873665
I am too, until I remember Wyrm only can reduce str. if it matches str.

>> No.36873739

>>36873665
if only wyrmosaurus was possible. it might make for something niche.

>> No.36873763

>>36873713
That's not really the problem. If you take a look at Noise deck in the core you have 3 vital pieces there. Ice carver reduces anything from 4 to 3, so you don't need to use Wyrm on those. Any 5 strength is reduced to 4, which means 4 credits to reduce to 3. The real problem comes after that, adding 2 credits for each strength point. It turns into a Femme Fatale situation.

>> No.36874207

>>36872320

I'd say the issue is more that Kate/EtF have been poorly designedrather than BWBI or Exile.

I mean if you look at other IDs, they at least force to tailor your deck-building and play-style to fit them. Which is good.

Both Kate and EtF are perfectly neutral - they reward you for doing things you can't not do, and they reward you well for it.

That's more the issue.

>> No.36874222

I've brought a core-noise deck to play some weeks ago, was a blast actually. And I do love Wyrm.

>> No.36874256

ATTENTION, /tg/. I WON A STORE TOURNAMENT WITH FUCKING GONG SHOW.

WENT UN-FUCKING DEFEATED WITH IT.

>> No.36874277

Proof or it only happened in our collective heart !

(Also, you being the only one that came to play doesn't count).

>> No.36874423

>>36873551

Eater and Crypsis aren't exactly doing the same thing. Crypsis is more going to compete with Darwin if anything, I'd say.

Not being able to access on a eater run makes it very efficient for certain tactics, but a real drain for others (classic access-based ones in general).

In the end, as always, it's all going to be about being the right card for the right build.

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36874612

>>36872320

I was betting with a bro that BWBI would become the new cancer just like RP after the big box comes around and after looking at the spoilers, i'm going to have to eat my combat boots.

Here are the reasons why. The old BWBI cards and ICE had synergies with amassing huge number of counters to make giant monsters via more subroutines(woodcutter, swarm) or strength(shadow, ice wall). Cards like commercialization(gain credits per advancement counter) and Shipment to kaguya(2 advancement counters) also have synergy with it. The newer cards however change the ice subtype or lower their cost meaning that it defeat the purpose of amassing a huge number of counters.

Trick of light and the upcoming constellation protocol will benefit moving of counters from one place to another, space camp will be giving free counters, but do note that using BWBI ability does cost a click, so how often do you actually want to advance to make things efficient? Unlike the other IDs that give you benefits while you are doing something, using a click a turn feels rather counterproductive since it can only be used on ICE.

Will it be a fun deck to pilot once O&C lands? Of course. Will it be flavor of the month? Maybe. Will it be strong in a tourney? Unlikely, but i am hopeful weyland will put the fear of dying in all the criminal scum.

Honestly though, i looking forward to try a deck where i'm just moving counters around the ice like an astrologist mapping the stars.

>> No.36874697

>>36873506

It honestly depends on what your deck's strategy is.

Going to for siphon debauchery or keyhole spam? eater has you covered. Endless parasites? You might want to take a wyrm. Atman is atman. Darwin is darwin. To me, crypsis works as a silver bullet/trump card/ace in the hole when some corp player thinks he is safe behind some cheap ice that you can't break. Plus it is a fun addition for Never-run Noise as a rude awakening.

>> No.36874827

>>36874256
pics or it didn't happen

>> No.36874892

>>36874827
It's not like it's hard to believe, that deck is fucking broken.

>> No.36875938

>>36873739
A dragon riding a dinosaur? You crazy man.

And the only way to do it would be OP for all the other AIs

>> No.36877218

>>36874256
>winning with the most overpowered deck in the game
>abusing unintended synergy

>> No.36877905

>>36874612
So you eater your boots if BWBI paces high in a tournament or is it if there are so many like RP currently is because it taxes clicks effiecently?

>> No.36879316

Random thoughts time:

- Heavy adoption of Eater might just make Paywall Implementation a lot more interesting.

- One big issue for me with BWBI, is that, with the quantitative advance-able ICE (whether STR or subroutines), you're making the bet that the click you spend on boosting the ICE is going in the long run to cost the runner more than it did you. Significantly enough to make the trade worthwhile. That's a lot less likely to happen with the tools for ICE destruction getting better and more numerous.

- While most corps want draw-reliability in their ICE selection, I think BWBI wants diversity first and foremost.

- The qualitative (Morph) advance-able ICE in conjunction with Firmware Updates can allow you to shut a Cutlery event as it is played by changing type right after. Worth keeping in mind on top of the other mid-run types change shenanigans.

- Unlikely to happen, but the idea of using Burke Bugs as a way to protect another sentry from Forked is smile inducing.

Question, given the actually relatively low number of transaction you can afford to run in a BaBW deck, how much value do you think you'd need out of BWBI's ability to make the swap a worthwhile trade off ?

>> No.36879660

>>36857105

schezerdae is unique

>> No.36879818

>>36879660

But you can install as many programs as your MU allows on it.

>> No.36883357
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What's the best way to beat ice destruction?

>> No.36884565

>>36883357
For the cutlery sweet stack up ice that you do not care about of the same type in front of ice you do care about.

>> No.36886089

>>36873609
I made that one!

>> No.36886170

What the hell did people do against SEA scorched before plascrete came out?

>> No.36886228
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>>36886089
That makes me really happy, that's one of my favorites. I'm almost done with core runner.

>> No.36886245

>>36886170
Dealt with it.

>> No.36886433
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>>36886170
>>36886245

>> No.36886453

>>36886089
You're back!
Anything interesting to share, cards you like from San San, etc?

>>36886170
Crash Space?

>> No.36886479

>>36886170
I don't know about anyone else but I actually ran link to avoid tags. Running Toolbox in a Mac deck is a good start.

>> No.36889109

>>36886170
Learned how to actually match a fucking trace, you pussy.

>> No.36889211
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36889211

So what's the best card text and why is it Mass Install?

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>>36889211
This is pretty good, but I wouldn't call it the best

>> No.36890352

>>36886170

To all the other options I'll add: counting clicks and creds.

If the corp isn't in range to fire a killing SEA/Scorched combo, then it won't.

Which then adds Account Siphon to your bag of anti-Scorch tools, counter-intuitively as it may seem.

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>>36889211

Goes well with that one I guess.

>> No.36890955

IT Department + Grail is pretty fun. I just killed someone with a 32 strength Merlin.

>> No.36891065

>>36890955

Blue Sun Grail next month for me. Can't wait to try it.

If only to see the face of people when I put Levy University on the table.

>> No.36891244

New lore video on Chops Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EluDxqL4A1E

>> No.36892065

>>36889109
>never make costly runs on remotes
>only play triple-rabbit-hole triple-globalsec toolbox kate

Cool strat bro!

>> No.36892342

>>36886089
Glad to see you're still around. Keep up the good work

>> No.36892739

>>36886170
Die or sit back doing nothing.

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>>36889211
Always had a soft spot for Fast Track myself.

>> No.36892799

>>36892065
There was also "get rich off bankrupting them" Gabe. An early economic lead and a few well timed siphons can be enough to keep you out of sea source range against core IDs.

And if not, there's always in faction crash spaces.

>> No.36893828

>>36886170
Kate- heavy link and out-econing the corp.
Gabe- crash space in-faction and econ by siphon/denial
Noise- pray.

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Wanton Destruction playmat when?

>> No.36894031

>>36893828
Noise still gets shitted on by scorched. Your best bet is to try and mill it.

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>>36894015
Is that picture for ants?

>>36894031
Well, out of core, either you mill it or medium+Demolition Run it.
I once sniped a punitive doing a blind Demo Run against HQ.
Thank god Imp was in the first datapack.

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How many agendas have you stealed today /tg/?

>> No.36898415

I wanted to try something simple, taking full advantage of Vamp to create windows for Indexing and making sure I can trash Caprice in her own psi game, and using Running Interference along with xanadu, RR natural ability and maybe Rook to make servers impossibly expensive to rez. Basically an old school blackmail.

Reina Roja: Freedom Fighter (Mala Tempora)

Event (9)
1x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
1x Indexing (Future Proof) •••
2x Running Interference (Mala Tempora) ••••• •••
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
2x Vamp (Trace Amount)

Hardware (8)
2x Clone Chip (Creation and Control) ••••
3x Deep Red (Mala Tempora)
2x Dyson Mem Chip (Trace Amount)
1x Plascrete Carapace (What Lies Ahead)

Resource (10)
3x Daily Casts (Creation and Control)
2x Kati Jones (Humanity's Shadow)
3x Liberated Account (Trace Amount)
2x Xanadu (Humanity's Shadow)

Icebreaker (8)
2x Corroder (Core Set)
3x Knight (Mala Tempora)
2x Mimic (Core Set)
1x Yog.0 (Core Set)

Program (10)
2x Datasucker (Core Set)
2x Imp (What Lies Ahead)
3x Parasite (Core Set)
3x Rook (Opening Moves)

15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Mala Tempora

>> No.36899040

>>36898415
The fact that you're not running 3 Vamp in a deck where Vamp is in the first sentence is probably a mistake.

Those Interferences are probably best changed to Siphons, too.

>> No.36899239

Well, that was a really weird afternoon/evening spent in a retirement home, teaching people the game.

I may have made some converts despite some resistance to the cyberpunk setting.

I don't know how to translate that properly, but "You done blown my shank-shack, but there wasn't nothing but dust in here" is probably going to be my new Crash Space retort of choice.

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>>36899239
Sounds awesome - did you try and explain cyberpunk as "basically all the changes since you were my age, but multiplied by ten / happening to people of my generation" ?

And I hope you didn't play Jinteki...

>> No.36899690

>>36899425
>"basically all the changes since you were my age, but multiplied by ten / happening to people of my generation"

Nope, but I'll keep that one under wrap for a later use.

>And I hope you didn't play Jinteki...
Nah, my beginner decks, so I went Weyland/Crim, NBN/Shaper mostly. Played with Core anyway... thankfully. That could have been awkward.

One of the guys there, he has that bald cut + face like he was made to play in the Conan the Barbarian version of Expandables (used to be a plumber) he was a slow learner, but once he got his gear grinding, damn he was good. Once he got the hang with Gabe, every time he'd hit HQ and win his two credits he'd go "the things you have to do to hit minimum wage", cracked me up.

Anyway, left a box there. I hope they had fun and will play again.

>> No.36899712

>>36899040
I started with 3, but I thought that playing 2 running interference along with the rooks was enough. I'll consider adding the third after I try this deck a bit.
I'm not planning on doing another anatomy of anarchy, Siphon doesn't help here as much to avoid unwanted rezzes (unless you're recurring it over and over again), I don't need the credits, and it fills me with tags. Anatomy of Anarchy is certainly really fun to play, but Siphon is definitely not what I'm looking for for this deck.

>> No.36899871

>>36899712

How do you find datasucker works compared to Bishop in that configuration ?

How much mileage do you actually get out of 2x Running Interference ?

I want to like that card, but it's so expensive and so.. niche I guess. I can never find the right place for it.

>> No.36899900

>>36899712
You're making an econ denial deck that uses Deep Red, Vamp, etc. Siphon is very good in this deck already.

You don't need to absolutely use exactly the same deck as Anatomy of Anarchy, but the style of play is similar for sure.

It does allow them to rez, yeah, but only on HQ. This is exactly the reason Indexing is good.

If you never want them to ever be able to rez any ICE, you're dreaming.

I'd still probably have the influence as Indexing, 2x Siphon 2x Planned Assault or 3x Siphon.

>> No.36899949

>>36899871
I've seen it played in Reina before, but basically the conclusion was that it should have been Siphon. It may just be one of those "I'm edgy" things.

Bishop I don't think is a good card, it has anti-synergy with Parasite and only works on one ICE.

>> No.36900056

>>36899949
>Bishop I don't think is a good card, it has anti-synergy with Parasite and only works on one ICE.

But it's constant and cannot be purged.

If anything my biggest grip with it is the existence of D4V1D now - it used to occupy an interesting niche for 4-5 STR ICE, and in some respects could be more interesting for 5 str than Datasucker.

Its niche is even smaller now.

>> No.36901807

Bishop and Ice Carver are really sweet with the fixed breaker suite. A permanent -3. The only problems you can find are Janus, Susan, Cell Portal, the new ICEs in Order and Chaos, and IT department (which I'm convinced it's too OP).
D4V1D fixes all those problems (more or less), but adds a few others. The str 4 blindspot and the necessary recursion comes to my mind.

Would you think it's a good idea to play the fixed breakers, Atman str 4 and D4V1D? Is it too clunky?

>> No.36902402

>>36901807
Wotan and the bigass walls require D4v1d too
Unless you're Quetzal

IT department isn't OP, but it is very, very good.
1 Influence makes me think all sorts of evil things, about Jinteki in particular

>> No.36903171

>>36899871
I'm surprised I haven't seen more people experimenting with running interference against Blue Sun, since people tend to run huge ICE and not be sheepish about rezzing it thanks to the ID ability.

I guess the issue is that its pretty much targeting blue sun and not much else, given its influence cost. Still, a well timed running interference early game would be quite the coup against some corps. Stuff like tollbooths are a lot less appealing to rez at double the credit cost, a lot less taxing for you compared to them, too.

>> No.36903338

>>36903171
Because it's in Crim, there are already far better cards in faction for it.

Basically, Running Interference is pay 4 to maybe make them waste their ICE's rez cost.

Emergency Shutdown is pay 0 to make them waste their ICE's rez cost (and good against all factions).

If you really want to hate on Blue Sun, you can in Crim, but you definitely don't need RI to do it. It's not good and it a HORRIBLE card against a lot of Corps. You can't have cards like that in your deck.

>> No.36906931

>>36903338
Yeah shutdown just kicks Blue Sun straight in the crotch

>> No.36908408

>>36903171
You be you and play the way your heart sings.
>>36903338

>> No.36908594

>>36899690
This is the cutest thing I've ever heard

>> No.36911161
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Can I get some advice on my Harmony Medtech deck?

Harmony Medtech: Biomedical Pioneer (Honor and Profit)

Agenda (12)
3x Clone Retirement (Second Thoughts)
3x Medical Breakthrough (Honor and Profit)
3x NAPD Contract (Double Time)
3x Veterans Program (True Colors)

Asset (7)
2x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves) ••
2x Mental Health Clinic (Honor and Profit)
3x Shi.Kyū (Honor and Profit)

Upgrade (5)
3x Caprice Nisei (Double Time)
2x SanSan City Grid (Core Set) ••••• •

Operation (8)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
2x Medical Research Fundraiser (Honor and Profit)
3x Mushin No Shin (Honor and Profit)

Barrier (4)
2x Eli 1.0 (Future Proof) ••
2x Himitsu-Bako (Opening Moves)

Code Gate (6)
2x Enigma (Core Set)
2x Lotus Field (Upstalk)
2x Yagura (Fear and Loathing)

Sentry (2)
2x Pup (Honor and Profit)

The strategy is a simple one - go fast, bounce the runner off instead of trying to tax them.

Slightly concerned about money and the limited power of the ice, but I think it's mostly solid

>> No.36912640

Daily reminder that Ichi 1.0 is better than its 2.0 counterpart.

>> No.36913179

Woah, found that in another thread, the old /tg Netrunner music compilation:

https://mega.co.nz/?_escaped_fragment_=0JciybbR!VjabIBBEgk2y2A7mtgtd62Ffouk3at0C54jzrrcC3Pg#!0JciybbR!VjabIBBEgk2y2A7mtgtd62Ffouk3at0C54jzrrcC3Pg

>>36901807
>Would you think it's a good idea to play the fixed breakers, Atman str 4 and D4V1D? Is it too clunky?

I've been considering it, but even more than the clunkiness, the cost gives me pause. 7 creds for a 4 Str Atman is at least for now a tempo killer in Anarch. Not to mention the 3 influence cost. Still, probably should (and will) try it, but really I'm not convinced.

>>36899949
>I've seen it played in Reina before, but basically the conclusion was that it should have been Siphon. It may just be one of those "I'm edgy" things.

I don't think it works that well with the Red Queen because you're already doing the micro-transaction thing all game long. You're running often to make the corp rez often, so there aren't that many possibilities of a big server with fully unrezzed layers of ICE, which is where you want to use Running Interference. You don't really need that sort of heavy hitte, and it's too costly for what you might gain from it.

I mean, the thing with Running Interference, really is that you're either hoping that the corp will bleed itself dry to protect one server - which is unlikely, at the very least spends an amount of credits that will make your initial 4 creds and two clicks investment worthwhile, or you're looking for a free run with no ICE rezzed . And it's rare with the Red Queen that you have such a server, and even then that it happens to be a cost effective proposition.

If anything I'm thinking about it with Leela.

>> No.36913330

>>36912640
Does anyone need to be told that?

>> No.36913363

>>36911161

Given the Veterans Program, I gather it's at least partly a thematically built deck ?

>The strategy is a simple one - go fast, bounce the runner off instead of trying to tax them.

Well, it is basically Jinteki's Rush ID, so, at least to me, it's a given.

I don't know about that config. Too many Vet Programs for me. You can remove up to 9 Bad Pub with that deck, but can only suffer three at most. Overkill for me (unless your meta is somehow incredibly aggressive with the bad pub I guess), even if you feel like you *need* it because of the NAPD.

Then there's your ICE selection. Those Pups feel weird for me. I gather that they're here for the rez cost. But they're a taxing solution for a deck that just doesn't plan on taxing long term. Your NAPDs are here to be stolen more than scored, so even on that front I'm not sure they're that interesting.

You have no ambush assets that can make use of the Mushin. Thankfully you can Mushin a Shi.Kyu, but I'm not convinced. Shi.Kyu is often going to get costly. If you want it to deal 3 net damage - which tends to be the sweet spot at which the runner is going to at least consider taking the -1 agenda even if it's not fatal, you're spending three credits. By which point a Snare! is better spending I'd say). And then with only 3 ambushes for so many agendas, with a 27% agenda density here, and willfully porous defenses, I would go with a bit more myself.

Last just something to consider (something I'll have to test myself next time I build for that ID): How do you think Daily Business Show would replace Howard in that config ?

Have you palyed the deck, and what were your results with it ?

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>>36913363
No, I'll need to get octgn up and running, or wait a long time, before I can test this one.

Veteran's is partly thematic (something I always like in a deck) partly for BP. With ice like that and NAPD I just don't want to risk it.

Mushin is mainly for speed, as it's much cheaper to Mushin+Ice than it is to try and get San-San out.
It works best with Himitsu-Bako, but Caprice also works pretty well. And if you've not seen the deck before then there's still good ol' mindgames.
I might consider dropping Shi Kyu for the classic Junebug, but I feel that could be trying to make the deck do more things - being put back by an agenda point is pretty good.

Yeah, I wasn't that convinced by Pup (or Yagura, really), any better suggestions?

Something to unseat our Lord and Saviour? Never!
At the risk of not being able to retrieve stuff from archives (and costing 2) I'll be able to get what I want much faster (it does work for mandatory draw, right?), and it's slightly harder to trash than JH.
In a rush deck it could definitely replace him, though the number of 1-pointers here means I'd keep him. And NBN could easily have both.

>> No.36913868

>>36913732

Well, looking at my own Medtech build, which is both a bit outdated and quite different in its build, I'd say:

- Yagura is fine as far as I'm concerned, it's adequate, low cost R&D protection with a bit of cycling on the side.
- I like to have a Swordsman in that deck. Early game AI can really be a blight on your rush start.
- Guard is a bit (too) expensive, but in a meta filled to the brim with Inside Job-ing Crims, it has saved my bacon more than once.
- Rototurret tends to be under-appreciated in that configuration. But it's one of those where it can work wonders.

Looking a bit more in detail at the econ side of your deck:

- Fundraiser + Rush strategy means you're basically looking for mostly binary ETR ICE I'd say. On that front, I don't know about Eli. The click taxing is nice, but I'm not sure of how much it is to your advantage here.
- Following that, how about splashing for an Aggressive secretary ?
- Mental Health Clinic is nice for zero cost (and fits the theme) but kinda counter-synergistic with Shi.Kyu.
- Mushin is obviously great econ in that deck, on top of speeding up things.
- In my mind, there's only one moment when you want to play Fundraiser, and it's for rezzing your SanSan. On that front, I think in most configurations I'd prefer a Celebrity Gift. CG and show your SanSan, install it. The runner now has to make that server a priority target, you haven't lost any money in the SanSan yet. If it survives the turn, you can score from hand, if it doesn't, the runner is that much poorer and you still have money in the bank.

I don't know, just random thoughts. Also seriously sleep deprived right now, so I don't know how much sense I make.

>> No.36914022

>>36913868
Rototurret (and maybe swordsman) seems like a good idea, even with the cost.

Binary ETR is what I'm looking for, I think, Eli was just a "without thinking" choice. So cheap, so reliable, not perhaps the best choice.

Shi Kyu isn't there to kill, but I may be overestimating the value of -1 Agenda Points.

CG vs MRF - I have to reveal my entire hand, and pay a click, for the same amount of cash, but at least the runner stays poor.
Goddamn Jinteki, why are you so generous when you make money?

I think I'll keep MRF, as I don't have the threats (or the guts) to run CG like that. In a bigger, nastier deck, maybe, but not here.

But who knew those medical equipment programs were so good at fighting other sorts of infections, eh?
Whrrr!

>> No.36914079

>>36914022
>Shi Kyu isn't there to kill, but I may be overestimating the value of -1 Agenda Points.

One issue is you have to push the Net-damage threat/tax high enough for the -1 to land. If the runner is already in a configuration where s/he can enter your server reliably, and has a full hand, how much will you have to pay to make it happen ?

See, that' the thing here. You have a fair selection of two and one pointers, so unlike the 2 or 3 pointers only builds, you can't really evaluate the gain you get from that -1 as effectively. The positive of the hybrid build being that landing several *can* work to your advantage, when it doesn't with the two others (or only if you land the three of them in a two pointer build, and how likely is that to happen in a rush deck ?). But landing one, let alone several, will probably prove to be more costly within your configuration.

Though I'm not certain of that, which is one of the reasons why I was asking if you had played it already.

>> No.36914150

>>36914022
>>36913868
Having a bit of trouble picking Eli's replacement

Rainbow 3/4 - dies to everything
Guard 4/2 - lol mimic
Wall of Static 3/3 -
Bastion 4/4 -
Datapike 4/2 - lol yog
Snowflake 1/3 - Special* and psi a bitch
Data Raven 4/4 - threat, but no synergy
Eli 1.0 - clickable, is a smug little git

I have 2 ice at strength 2, 4 and 0, so I'm thinking 3 might be important for Atman.

>>36914079
Thanks, I think I'll just have to test whether Shi Kyu works here. I can see it going either way.

If not then I might use the space for more ice, because Agendas = Ice isn't great

>> No.36914209

>>36914150

Crazy idea time: one copy of Excalibur.

>> No.36915032

>>36914209
> Excalibur on archives
> Susanoo no Mikoto on scoring remote

Go away.

>> No.36915065

>>36914150
Rainbow is actually sweet but only works in factions that aren't HB that want to tax the runner or end the run.

Basically NBN only, it's a good replacement for Eli to spare influence.

>> No.36915150

>>36915032
>Excalibur
>Wormhole

Unique? I think not

>> No.36915200

>>36915150
The difference being they can break Wormhole without Atman/Parasite.

>> No.36915296

>>36915200
Strength 3 Mythic or strength 7 Code Gate, neither are happy choices.

>>36915065
It's also going to be pretty amusing protection for good ice against cutlery

>> No.36916011
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http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=5275

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>>36916011
Holy shit that's a strong card.

>> No.36916216

>>36916011

Love the flavor text. Simple, but very evocative.

>> No.36916666

>>36916011
Favourite pseudo agenda so far. With the anarchist big box and all that auto trash stomping around I think it will go up on the (fun) shelf for a while. Meta aside though, the synergy with Self - Destruct seems cool.

>> No.36916720

>>36916143
Loves chum.

>> No.36916776

>>36916666
I think Self-Destruct is going to bring more opportunities to play all these executives. No longer fearing that the runner can access it and "steal" it.
This might open for new fast advance decks in HB.

>> No.36916863

>>36916776
A NEXT Design deck, with a fast remote setup for Haas + Destruct. I've been thinking about it for a while now. But it seems that just playing Biotic is better, so why bother?

>> No.36916899

>>36916863

Higher risk higher reward. She's like a better, cheaper SanSan in a way.

>> No.36917408

>>36916899
You don't really need a higher reward though. Rezzed SanSan demands as much response, will more than likely serve the same function the turn it's rezzed (fa). The extra barrier of cost to trash on these guys isn't so high that a runner isn't glad to pay 2 or 3 creds more (SanSan again as a comparable deck slot) and get 2 points to boot. Fair deal for a card they were obliged to trash anyway for tempo reasons.

>> No.36917680

>>36916011
Damn that's a cool card

>> No.36918253

Notice that HB has 4 ways to generate extra clicks.
- Haas arcology AI
- Mandatory upgrades
- biotic labor
- director haas

>> No.36918261

>>36918253
I didnt count efficiency commitee because it's limited.

>> No.36918272

>>36918253
Dat Germanic efficiency

>> No.36918305

>>36917408
>You don't really need a higher reward though.

You mean your deck has no use for a fourth click a turn besides advancing ?

>>36918272

Those unemployment rates.

>> No.36918496

>>36918305
...are low, until bioroids?

>> No.36918527

>>36918496

So, they're high.

In before Kim is actually German.

>> No.36918754

So where are you using Errand Boy/Hotel, /tg/?

>> No.36919024

Is it just me or is Shaper the least fun faction to play? It's just "install a bunch of shit, click up a bunch of cash and break ice the normal way" while with Crim and Anarch you get to do some really cool and wacky shit.

>> No.36919135

>>36919024
They're only like that if you play them like that. You can play Crim like that if you really want too with Tri Maf etc.

Katman or the Chaos Theory list at World's are examples of super aggressive decks.

Also Nasir in general...

>> No.36919161

>>36919024

Well, remember the article on the original design: they were/are the "brute force" faction, and it shows, even with the game style having widened a bit. They have the best everything on the pure number front really (I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point).

>> No.36919177
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>>36919024
You're almost right, they are the most straight forward faction, but they play with their stuff. They Escher, Tinker, False Echo and Paintbrush the ICE. Their icebreakers are the more reliable with their strength (both atman and their core breakers), meaning their Escher, Tinkering and paintbrush have a double purpose not very exploited by the meta. They get insight knowledge from R&D with Deep Thought and the woman in the red dress to know when to run.
And of course, the professor gets ALL THE TOYS.

>> No.36919278

>>36919177
he looks like he's wearing diapers in the thumbnail.

>> No.36919296

>>36919278
He probably is, professors are freaky motherfuckers.

>> No.36919306
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>>36919278
That's the brain damage for using stimhack as his 1-influence.

>> No.36919337

>>36919177

I was thinking the other day, I don't think The Professor is ever going to hit big because in a way I find him better tailored for league play than tournament.

With his ability and the extensive faction tutoring, you can build some very nice Swiss-Army knife deck that can do well against mostly any build thrown at it.

That's the kicker: "well". Not great. He needs a very diverse meta to be worthwhile, and in the current flavor-of-the-month-driven one we have, I'm not seeing it.

Maybe I'm just being pessimistic in my evaluation.

>> No.36919439

>>36919278

God damn it, cannot unsee.

>> No.36919443

>>36919337
So he'd work for a tourney where you can expect Kill, FA and Glacier to all be out in force?

Weren't people complaining that "with all the buffs to corps recently you can counter one type of deck but there's too much diversity in T1 to counter them all" after Worlds / the end of Lunar?

>> No.36919466

>>36919443

Not that I heard, but I've been out of the loop for a while.

>> No.36919483

>>36919443
>>36919466

That being said, given how little variety there actually was at Worlds in my opinion, I'm not sure I would agree with the claim.

>> No.36919687
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>>36919278
Damn you.

I reckon Uninstall will join many professors' loadout after O&C, and he could do viruses too, what with Progenitor and Hivemind being there for him

>> No.36919717

>>36919687
Uninstall? Why? Shaper already got Scavenge to reinstall and clone chip if you need it later. What's Uninstall for them?

>> No.36919750

>>36847535

Oh hi, Mush, how are you today?

>> No.36919923

>>36919750
That's 4 days old at this point dude.

>>36919717
MOAR recursion.

Yeah, didn't think that through, but I guess if it's something you want to have back in your grip specifically, or hardware for some reason (plascrete?) then Uninstall might be nice.
Aren't there some cards that you can't trash by installing something else?

>> No.36921391
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>> No.36921424
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36921424

>>36921391
I like the flavour and background in Netrunner
I like janky combos.
I like it when I can combine these things

I've noticed that Weyland seems to have a sweet underwater base, which they use to impress/intimidate people.

In the game background it was Weyland that did most of the rebuilding after the Big One that wiped out a lot of california.
Breaker Bay was probably one of those construction projects, so if they wanted to build a sweet underwater base that'd be as good a place as any.

Off the Crisium Grid is a cool janky combo, but it's expensive for what it does, even for Weyland.
Off the Grid isn't a region - it works well with Breaker Bay. Now that could just be an unregistered server somewhere in the Bay area, but that's not very cool, is it?

The Off the Grid facility under Breaker Bay is pretty damn secure.
You have to access a Weyland Headquarters node server, and crack Gagarin's grid at Promontorium Agarum (a lunar mountain, and the art shows the station there is pretty imposing)
Then you have to access the HQ server again, just to steal the location access. Then you can think about breaking in...

Off the Crisium Grid under Breaker Bay is the perfect place for top-level executive meetings and critical projects - from something as simple as an advertising campaign, to something as audacious as a Government Takeover, this is the premium secure operations facility, continuing Argus Security's proud tradition established by our Sealed Vaults and the Glenn Station (in collaboration with Gagarin)

>> No.36921466

>>36921391

I must say I really, really don't like the look of Breaker Bay Grid.

>> No.36921611

>>36921466

My bad, read it as "In or protecting this server" for some reason.

>> No.36921660

>>36921611
Nope, no ice (except in Awakening centre, apparently)

>> No.36921683

>>36921660

Was just imagining out of the box infinite Cell Portal re-rez...

>> No.36922087

>>36921683
Gah.

Though that can be done, with an over-advanced Brain Trust and Atikaro Watanabe.

>> No.36922893
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>>36922087

Yes that's why I specified out of the box.

I mean between the two counters on Braintrust and Akitaro, you kinda see it coming.

Wih only a one card to install set up, it kinda become far more terrifying.

And... return of the shitty captchas, was free of those for the weekend.

>> No.36923085

>>36922893
Ah sure.

Breaker Bay Grid is still good though
Free Adonis
Free Eve
Free Hostile Infrastructure
Free City Surveillance
Free Upgrades that aren't Regions
1 Cred Root (not sure how that works, maybe it's a direct connection or something?)

>> No.36923234

>>36919923
Oh right, Uninstall works with hardware too, that opens up possibilities.

>> No.36923322
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36923322

>>36923234
For instance, this.

>> No.36923373

Alright, fiddling with an Industrial deck.

1x Industrial Genomics
3x Hostile Infrastructure
3x PAD Campaign
3x Self-destruct
3x The Future Perfect
2x NAPD Contract
3x Fetal AI
1x Dedicated Response Team
3x Subliminal Messaging
1x Chairman Hiro
3x Shock!
3x Snare!
3x Executive Boot Camp
1x Marked Accounts
1x Docklands Crackdown
3x Celebrity Gift
1x Data Raven
2x Jackson Howard
2x Wall of Thorns
2x Enigma
1x Labyrinthine Servers
2x Shell Corporation
2x Lotus Field
2x Hive
2x Himitsu-Bako
2x Swordsman

General idea is to use bootcamp to fetch the asset I think is the most dangerous for the runner to have to deal with, and then force them through hell trying to trash it. Hostiles and self destruct keep certain assets and agenda protected. Through it all the intention is to build a scoring server.

>> No.36924806

>>36918527
Why would Kim be German? Bioroids are everywhere. The main HQ is on the moon. Kim is most likely a New Angelino. In fact there's a very high likelihood he works in the Challenger Mines on Farside.

>> No.36924852

>>36919278
when I first saw it I thought someone shopped it so he was in his tighty whities

>> No.36924929

>>36921424
>I've noticed that Weyland seems to have a sweet underwater base, which they use to impress/intimidate people.
or they just have really large aquariums

>> No.36925310
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36925310

>>36916011
Nice to finally learn more about Jack Weyland.
I like how the art on this card looks like a bunch of advancement counters.

>> No.36925511

>>36925310
The fact that it's not Unique makes me very happy, though advancable ice is almost more vulnerable to being destroyed (simply through lost investment, if nothing else) than normal ice.

>> No.36925580

>>36925511
>advancable ice is almost more vulnerable to being destroyed (simply through lost investment
how do you mean?

>> No.36925653

>>36925580
I assume it's that because spending 4 clicks on an ICE and having it be destroyed is worse than spending 1 and having it destroyed.

That's a fallacy though, as spending clicks to advance reduces the cost.

>> No.36925824

>>36925580
Compare a 3 advanced Ice Wall and a Bastion.
Some bastard Knifes it.

Now I can't transfer those counters with ToL
Now I can't make commercialisation money of them
Now I can't send them somewhere else to make other ice better or cheaper
Now the money/clicks invested in advancing the ice is wasted.

At best I only wasted clicks because of some recurring credits for advancing.

>>36925653
That's only for 4 of the 16 advancable ice

>> No.36925839

>>36925824
*from them

>> No.36925946

>>36925824
>That's only for 4 of the 16 advancable ice
Conveniently the only 4 good ones (or, at least, the only 4 you want to advance)

>> No.36927314

>>36925946
Searchlight mate it can be a great early tax to prevent the scorch or Traffic Accident.

>> No.36929598

>>36925310
Yeah,didn't realise he's still alive

>> No.36930086

>>36916011
>"His belt of stone did shake and shatter
>As through the door of light he came.
>He bent his bow of solar matter
>And seeking prey he then took aim."

Neat. I love multi card flavour bits.

>> No.36931894
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36931894

>>36855077

>ChiLo City Grid is amazing with Troll.

>subtle Minnesotan jab toward Illinois & Missouri

Yeah well fuck you too Minnesota.

>> No.36931960

I've gone wrong here, I know I have.

Tabloid Journalism

Valencia Estevez: The Angel of Cayambe (Order and Chaos)

Event (17)
3x Blackmail (Fear and Loathing)
3x Day Job (Order and Chaos)
3x Itinerant Protesters (Order and Chaos)
3x Leverage (True Colors) ••••• •
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
2x Uninstall (Order and Chaos)

Hardware (9)
3x MemStrips (Order and Chaos)
3x R&D Interface (Future Proof) ••••• •
3x Vigil (Order and Chaos)

Resource (14)
3x Data Folding (Order and Chaos)
3x Human First (Order and Chaos)
3x Investigative Journalism (Order and Chaos)
3x Raymond Flint (Mala Tempora)
2x Virus Breeding Ground (Order and Chaos)

Icebreaker (11)
2x Corroder (Core Set)
3x Crypsis (Core Set)
3x Darwin (Future Proof)
3x Overmind (Honor and Profit)

Program (2)
2x Datasucker (Core Set)

12 influence spent (max 15)
53 cards (min 50)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

Halp.

>> No.36931977

>>36923373

Just a thought, too tired for deck analysis right now, not to mention the return of the shitty captcha, but given you can Executive Boot Camp a Snare!/Shock!, wouldn't you want some Kitsune in there ?

>> No.36932308

>>36931960
Explain your deck

>> No.36932424

>>36932308

Enough bad pub for itinerant protestors to reduce the Corps hand size to something unmanagable, Vigil for action economy and and money from data folding - human first - day job if needed and good old sure gamble.

After that? I guess I'm just going through their Archives every so often and making runs on their R&D when I've got interface? I dunno. I hadn't thought much further than that.

>> No.36932643
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36932643

Does anyone ever just rez this guy straight up, without Priority Req/ABT/BER? I want to try putting him in my big money big ice HB deck and surprising the runner with him, but I feel like no one would run against an HB with a shitton of money without having the proper breakers/funds anyway.

>> No.36932736

>>36854940

Print it as a criminals card

>> No.36932747

>>36932643
If they are not running, isn't that great? Score your mandatory upgrades.
And yes, when I started playing Netrunner I had few options and one of them was what you describe. I just janus -> archer -> cell portal (nobody expects the cell portal) in a scoring server and let the runner struggle through it.

>> No.36932800

>>36932643
Why would you want Janus in your deck? Are you trying to kill the runner? Because brain damage really isn't that bad if you aren't. I once won a game specifically because I chose not to break Janus even though I could've, taking the full 4 brain damage, and stealing the three pointer behind it.

>> No.36932880

>>36932643
I landed 4 brain damage by rezzing Janus on an Awakening Center once. If only I'd had an advanced Cerebral Overwriter in the server instead of an agenda.

>> No.36933011

>>36932880
Or an agenda that does brain damage, can you imagine?

>> No.36933031

>>36933011
Or Ryon Knight

>> No.36933311
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>>36933031
Hard, but not impossible. Could work.

>> No.36934439

>>36931977
I'm not exactly sure where I want to take it.

A boot camped snare with the DRT out is a pretty damn solid killshot, for example, promising a full five damage to the runner. And LS can actually ensure I get the full five damage.

>> No.36935812
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36935812

I love this ID. Double parasites! Double icebreakers! All the chips! Her setup speed is astounding.

>> No.36936279

>>36935812

Huh, I didn't even realize it read "same type" and not "same name", way better now hue.

>> No.36936715

>>36935812
It's 'aight. But you need to have funds to make it worth.

>> No.36937032

>>36936715
just like in real life

>> No.36938472

>>36937032
netrunner is real life

>> No.36938634

>>36936715
Shapers are rarely poor, with the exception of Nasir.

And I think I'm right in saying Hayley can get resources out with her ability, so that saves time that can be used for building your bank back up

>> No.36940027

>>36938472

all hail lord facebook

>> No.36940466

>>36940027
We'll probably see some facebook-like social network stuff in the NBN box, but that's a good way off yet

>> No.36941752

>>36938634
Hell yes, install 2 daily cast for 1 click.

>> No.36942517

I played this deck, the reclamation hedge fund really help a lot
Late game. Though I'm considering trading it out for interns, thoughts?

The Foundry: Refining the Process
(The Spaces Between)

Agenda (10)
3x Accelerated Beta Test (Core Set)
3x Corporate War (Future Proof)
1x Project Ares (Opening Moves)
3x NAPD Contract (Double Time)

Asset (7)
3x Adonis Campaign (Core Set)
3x PAD Campaign (Core Set)
1x Eve Campaign (Humanity's Shadow)

Operation (11)
2x Shipment from MirrorMorph (Core Set)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
3x Green Level Clearance (A Study in Static)
3x Reclamation Order (Double Time)

Barrier (6)
3x NEXT Silver (Upstalk)
3x Galahad (Upstalk) •••

Code Gate (6)
3x NEXT Bronze (Opening Moves)
3x Merlin (All That Remains) •••

Sentry (6)
3x Lancelot (First Contact) •••
3x Architect (Up and Over)

ICE (3)
3x Excalibur (The Source)

9 influence spent (maximum 15)

>> No.36942780
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36942780

>>36942517
No Mother Goddess?
I'd change Project Ares for Efficiency Comittee, eve campaign for melange, GLC for BLC, and for shit and giggles, Amazon Industrial Zone somewhere.

>> No.36946207
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36946207

Which is the best 5 Influence Executive: Haas, Hiro or The Board?

And which is best out of faction?

>> No.36946406

>>36946207
I'm honestly considering The Board for my Industrial deck, just as such an insane possible killshot

>Run into archives to make him possibly trashable, 2-3 net damage.
>Self Destruct when they run the server.

It's super, super effective with Hiro, because that reduced hand size super forces them into the run.

>> No.36949803
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>>36946207
I will forever lament the poor card this excellent art was paired with, especially in light of Mushin's awesomeness

>> No.36950437

>>36949803
Man, I wish that card was good. But a flat 50/50 just isn't worth it at all. Wish they'd given you better odds than that.

>> No.36952226

>>36950437
>Wish they'd given you better odds than that.
Or a better payout.

>> No.36952372

>>36952226

Even with a better payout, I don't think people would have bothered. Too random for the vast majority of the crowd, who abhors elements of randomness.

Isn't it almost time for a new thread ?

>> No.36953635
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36953635

>>36952372
We could open a new thread, Or we could...

>> No.36953748

>>36952372
>>36953635
we still have 16 posts til bump limit

>> No.36954106

How do you kill the IT Department?

>> No.36954324

>>36954106
Don't play against it. Don't play fixed breakers and knights. Or play Sharpshooter.

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>>36954106

>> No.36954367

>>36954106
Trash it as soon as the corp rezzes it. Shit is like Project Wotan on steroids.

>> No.36954779

>>36954106
D4v1d e3. Laugh at their wasted clicks.

>> No.36954930

>>36946406
> what is imp

It's like people don't expect shapers to splash in one of the most important cards in the current meta.

>> No.36955962

>>36954106
Preferably from R&D. If you don't catch it, ASAP after it's rezzed. Alternatively with David(s) or Inside Job + Femme(s). Or just pumpable breakers and a boatload of money.

>> No.36955983

>>36954930
I could get three Scrubbers for the same influence as one Imp.

>> No.36956169

>>36955983
You could but it's not as good.

Three scrubbers is more deckspace to a worse effect, not tutorable, and doesn't naturally synergise with Shaper's kit nearly as well (Scavenge, Test Run, Clone Chip, etc)

>> No.36956190

>>36956169
Scrubbers is tutorable by Hostage. But of course that's more influence spent for a shaper.

>> No.36956256

>>36956190
Yeah, not naturally tutorable by a normal Shaper kit.

The point where you have Hostage and Scrubber in Shaper is where you re-evaluate your life.

>> No.36956339

>>36956256
Weeeell, X3r0h0ur and CodeMarvelous seem to be pretty fond on adding Hostage to Shaper decks:

http://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklists/find?faction=shaper&cards%5B%5D=04004&sort=reputation

>> No.36956351

>>36956169
>doesn't naturally synergise with Shaper's kit nearly as well (Scavenge, Test Run, Clone Chip, etc)

My current program selection places quite a lot of stress on my recursion cards already, I don't need yet another program to eat into my recursion quota (and MU).

>> No.36956541

>>36955983
In shaper I prefer Paricia to deal with all the Campaigns. It's a 0 cost program, so in the early game it barely impact your economy while destroys NEH and HB.

>> No.36957239
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36957239

>>36956541
Paricia would be awesome if it could trash upgrades, too. I'd say it's meh.

>> No.36957479

>>36956339
am I supposed to respect their opinion?

They're just random names of people who did something...

>> No.36957602

>>36956339
What are you use Hostage on in Shaper? ProCo? Kati? That's about it, really.

>> No.36960103
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36960103

Lore Time.

>Weyland Consortium is obviously based on Weyland-Yutani from the Alien/Predator franchises.
>Weyland-Yutani's primary motto is "Building better Worlds", while Weyland Corp has the identity "Building a Better World" and "Because we built it"

>Haas-Bioroid is probably based on the Tyrell Corporation from Blade Runner.
>both specialize in the most humanlike androids around

So what are NBN and Jinteki? NBN is mass media and Jinteki is androids with a specialty in clones.

>> No.36960249

I DEMAND TO KNOW
HOW 2 MAXX!?
she's sexy awesome!
Best Runner NA

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