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Okay making a new deck need help also Standard Thread

Want to make a agro dragon demon and angel thread with kill spells and destory everything. What I have so far
1x Nightmare
2x Indulgent Tormentor
1x Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
1x Spawn of Thraxes
1x Shivan Dragon
1x Siege Dragon
1x Soul of Shandalar
1x Resolute Archangel
2x Singrace Pegasus
2x Seraph of the Masses
That's it for now still deciding about the kill spells and other stuff

>> No.35533715

Nobody playing Standard ?

>> No.35533727

for standard op? you're gonna get crushed...

Run Ramp, Goblin Rabblemaster, or some various midrange concoction...

>> No.35533838

No Goblins

>> No.35533949

well OP, do you want to win, or do you want to have a deck that does a bunch of cute stuff but you lose everytime?

just saying, to each his own, but when i play standard, i play to win. other formats are good for having fun and trying goofy stuff and making theme decks

>> No.35534050

I strive to win I just suck at deck making and I'm trying to build a angel, demon, and dragon deck with control agro that's all without goblins

>> No.35534188

I guess that's impossible to do

>> No.35534373

Am I stupid for thinking Howl of the Horde is a really really good card? I think it'd make for a nice finisher in monored burn/aggro decks. For 5 mana you can cast this and a Lightning Strike for 9 damage to the face, or a Shrapnel Blast for 15. Or 3 mana and then convoke a Stoke the Flames for 12 damage, but having 4 creatures to convoke and a 5th to attack is pretty christmas-y

>> No.35534431


All you seem to have so far is a bunch of bad overcosted rares.

What's your budget?

>> No.35534673

That's a really weird, incoherent deck idea and it won't work.

>> No.35534721

>not using it with Hordeling Outburst

>> No.35534739

Here's the list I'm using at the moment, btw, tips welcome:

>20 creature spells
4 monastery swiftspear
4 firedrinker satyr
4 frenzied goblin
4 valley dasher
4 borderland marauder
>22 noncreature spells
4 titan's strength
4 magma jet
4 lightning strike
4 searing blood
3 howl of the horde
2 hammerhand
1 sarkhan, the dragonspeaker
>18 mountains
1 howl of the horde
4 altac bloodseeker
4 fated conflagration
4 spark jolt

It's a variation on a heroic-themed RDW I made last week. In testing that one out at the local FNM, I found that it stalled out too quickly and simply folded against rhinos. This deck is designed to run slightly slower but be more resistant to removal

>> No.35534761

You suck at making decks because you set up stupid blocks for yourself.

Do you want a deck that wins? Give up on the whole idiotic "dragon, demon and angel" thing.

Do you desperately want "agro dragon demon and angel"? Well then you're not gonna win almost ever.

You can't have both these things. That's just the cold hard truth.

>> No.35534790

>Literally nothing with toughness>3
>"More resistant to removal"

>> No.35534854

Power is the only thing that matters when you're on the attack.

More to the point, I was playing red HEROIC last time. You know, the mechanic that encourages you to spend multiple cards to buff a single creature? I added more creatures that can function on their own without requiring a Dragon Mantle or some bullshit to get +1/+1

>> No.35534921

>I'm trying to build a angel, demon, and dragon deck with control
Not feasable in standard
we have shit dragons, like 5 angels, and a handful of demons
buy Kaalia of the Vast and play EDH and get hated out of every group for being "that idiot with that general"

>> No.35535209

>just getting into mtg
>bought a 2015 core set and some boosters did a couple drafts w/ friends who play more
>have idea for Red/Green deck, with Goblins out of Red and lots of strength buffs and stronk creatures out of green
>mfw I don't have a fucking clue what I'm doing

Would this work

>> No.35535344

>I don't have a fucking clue what I'm doing
Then you probably don't want to bring it to a competitive event. Or if you do, don't expect to win anything. It could be a learning experience, though?

I mean hey we all need to start from somewhere, but I'd suggest the kitchen table first.

>> No.35535745

Is this good or shit?

Creatures - 27
4x Akroan Hoplite
2x Butcher of the Horde
4x Firedrinker Satyr
4x Foundry Street Denizen
4x Goblin Rabblemaster
2x Iroas, God of Victory
4x Soldier of the Pantheon
3x War-Name Aspirant

Spells - 11
4x Mardu Ascendancy
4x Ride Down
3x Stoke the Flames

Land - 22
4x Battlefield Forge
1x Bloodstained Mire
2x Caves of Koilos
6x Mountain
5x Plains
3x Swamp
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

1x Ankle Shanker
3x Chained to the Rocks
4x Circle of Flame
2x Crackling Doom
1x Deicide
4x Erase

>> No.35535781

>kitchen table
What now?

I'm not playing competitive though, my friends and I pretty much play standard rules though

>> No.35535798

Shit's funny with See the Unwritten.

>> No.35535929

Kitchen table is casual magic with no defined format
my experience is that it's typically modern but jank with an emphasis on standard and flavor

>> No.35535999

Hang on, you know 'standard' refers to the format that only has the most recent sets legal for play, correct?

If your group is ok with you using older cards, then your idea is quite viable, as goblins have a lot of support throughout the long history of magic and have even splashed into green on occasion.

I can't personally give you good advice on your idea's viability in the Standard format, as I've been out of the loop for quite a while.

>> No.35536164

Would love some help/suggestions with a jund list I'm toying around with.

Hero's Downfall-4

Sylvan Caryatid-4
Rakshasa Deathdealler-4
Courser of Kruphix-4
Reaper of the Wilds-4

Llanowar Wastes-4
Mana Confluence-4

>> No.35536240

No fetches/10.

>> No.35536297

What formats are played by you?

limited (draft sealed events)


>> No.35536315

Have a cheap legacy deck DREDGE LOL
EDH mostly

>> No.35536434

Oh and the reason I'm only running 1 fetch is I'm broke.

>> No.35536447

Ordered by the amount of time spent playing each:
Modern (with friends, it's our agreed-on power level for 60-card kitchen table)
EDH (friends)
2HG & multiplayer FFA (friends)
Standard (at FNM, but only with budget decks)
Booster Draft (friends)
Cube (friends)

We definitely have room to improve with our cubes, though.

>> No.35536450


>> No.35536463

That's... even more expensive than fetchlands, you realize?

>> No.35536475

I bought a playset for $50 when they came out LOL :^)

>> No.35536964

Ok I could run two playsets but that either leaves me no basics to fetch or no lands that tap for multiple colors, how do you suggest the manabase should look exactly?

>> No.35537290

3x battlefield forge
4x bloodsoaked champion
4x bloodstained mire
4x butcher of the horde
2x caves of koilos
4x firedrinker satyr
3x foundry street denizen
4x goblin rabblemaster
3x lightning strike
3x magma jet
4x mana confluence
3x mardu ascendancy
2x mardu charm
4x monastery swiftspear
4x mountain
1x plains
4x stoke the flames
2x swamp
2x urborg, tomb of yawgmoth

>> No.35537341

Land (24)
3x Island
4x Llanowar Wastes
4x Polluted Delta
2x Swamp
4x Temple of Malady
4x Temple of Mystery
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2x Yavimaya Coast
Creature (14)
4x Courser of Kruphix
2x Elvish Mystic
3x Omenspeaker
2x Prognostic Sphinx
3x Sylvan Caryatid
Sorcery (8)
4x Thoughtseize
Instant (8)
4x Dig Through Time
2x Bile Blight
4x Hero's Downfall
2x Silence the Believers
Planeswalker (6)
2x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
2x Kiora, the Crashing Wave
2x Nissa, Worldwaker

Feedback plox, taking it to gpla this weekend. Sideboard is generic anti aggro, anti midrange, ect.

>> No.35537774 [DELETED] 

Please rate/critique.

>> No.35537798

That costs more than a set of Bllodstained Mires though

>> No.35537845

Please rate/critique. I don't like the idea of Rams in aggro, but they survive all the normal removal (Anger, Blight, Drown, etc) and let me trigger Raid/Ascendency.

>> No.35538689

Could I get some help with making a budget Izzet deck? I have a couple of cards and that M15 deckbuilder kit. I didn't get the UR Artifacts in that, but I did get counterburn.

>> No.35538918

Why no bloodsoaked champion?

>> No.35539035

I've been working on sultai empty the pits deck since the prerelease, it's fun to hit for 60+ damage in zombies

>> No.35539399

One drops in three colours = shitty idea, I think.

I tend to build three colour decks as two colour decks with a splash for some good gold cards.

>> No.35539529

>I strive to win
Copy tier 1 decks from the internet.

>> No.35539567

I run a similar deck. Bloodsoaked Champion is a champ. His Raid makes him super value.

>> No.35539618

Any thoughts on this deck? I wanna try control since my FNM meta is aggro. Ideally I want Hero's Downfall instead of Murderous Cut but I don't have the dosh. Same for getting more Dig Through Time and 3 more Polluted Deltas. I also eventually want to get at least scrylands.

4 Dismal Backwater
1 Polluted Delta
8 Island
6 Swamp
1 Dig Through Time
3 Omenspeaker
4 Prognostic Sphinx
4 Dissolve
4 Disdainful Stroke
1 Liliana Vess
2 Negate
2 Drown in Sorrow
4 Despise
2 Radiant Fountain
2 Murderous Cut
2 Brain Maggot
2 AEtherspouts
3 Bile Blight
1 Empty the Pits
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Silence the Believers
1 Scourge of Fleets

1 In Garruk's Wake
1 Pearl Lake Ancient
1 Omenspeaker

>> No.35539785

I'd consider him if I had the mana base to support it. Maybe when I can afford some confluences and fetches.

>> No.35539902

Ah, gotcha. I know that feel on card money.

>> No.35540030

Yeah, it's a pain. Especially because I don't play anything but standard, so purchasing 80+ dollars worth of lands is an iffy prospect.

>> No.35540055

Any help/comments on this list? I think it will work but I'm not sure. I'd really appreciate any help I can get with this.

Also the sideboard will look something like this
3 Brain Maggot
3 Drown in Sorrow
3 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Destructive Revelry
1 Thoughtseize
1 Despise

>> No.35540068

In garruk's wake is a pretty shit card.

>> No.35540153

I don't see the point behind that card.

You draw a hand with two lands, one of them being Confluence, then you are going to be pinging yourself for at least 3 life when you could have just playtested and figured out the correct spread of mana that isn't going to hurt you along the way.

>> No.35540166

It's just like a painland that does every colour though

>> No.35540206

No, it isn't. Painlands have the option to not ping you for 1 life for generating 1 colorless mana.

It is a fetchland for all colors that doesn't thin your deck and continues hurting you every time it is tapped. I see the value in other formats where you need to win in 3-4 turns, but STandard is way too slow to justify this card.

>> No.35540254

>Implying fetches thin in any appreciable way

>> No.35540282

Thanks. I had it in SB as a panic button, but I'll drop it. It should not get to that point if the deck is using what it has efficiently.

>> No.35540317

A standard game just shouldn't be going long enough for the card to see play. It's way too expensive.

>> No.35540372

Well in that case, it's more modern, but we stress using 2015 cards

>> No.35540672

1) Go on youtube, look up "pro tour ktk", watch all of the various matches

2) Google "pro tour ktk decklists", as well as "mtg state championships decklists", and find a decklist that did well that you like. If you want to start out in T2 budget as fuck, look into robots decks (mono blue or UR) or mono black devotion/aggro decks (replace thoughtseize with despise if you want), or red decks without goblin rabblemaster/eidolon of the great revel/stormbreath dragon/sarkhan

3) Go to tcgplayer.com, buy all of the cards you don't have for the deck you want to play as singles. It is way, WAY cheaper than buying boosters. For a competitive deck that runs at least a few chase rares (like thoughtseize, rabblemaster, etc), and especially one with a multi-colored mana base using temples and maybe mana confluences, this will run you probably around $100-200. So, if you're an "18 y/o senior btw", this would roughly equate to a week's paycheck at a minimum wage, part time (20 hr/week) job, which anyone should be able to do.

This cost should be like nothing, considering the next block doesn't come out until September 2015 (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic:_The_Gathering_sets#Expansion_sets ). $200/year + tourney entry fees for magic should honestly not be a big deal for anyone over the age of 16.

But seriously though, I can't stress this enough: do your research and buy singles. Booster packs in any form (individual, fat pack, box) are a waste of money, and should only be used for the purposes of drafting. Remember this. There are very few exceptions to this rule (I think there was one guy on here a while back who said he lived in some backwoods area where he literally couldn't order cards online and his only source of cards was packs from walmart or something).

Hope that helps, good luck guys.

>> No.35540753

>week's wage
Fuck America is dystopian.

>> No.35541095


$8/hr * 20 hours = $160. You can definitely make a competitive deck with that much money in T2. Note that this is part time, btw. Full time would be twice that.

I personally work a full time job making $13/hr doing test operator work while going to school part time, so for me the cost is like nothing, but I was trying to use the bare minimum. Like, even if you're in high school, as long as you're not a lazy faggot you can afford at least one good T2 deck.

>> No.35541196

Fucking raise min wage man. That's so fucking gross

>> No.35541231


Listen to this man. He speaks wisdom.
Don't let imaginary things like "honor" cloud your judgement. The fun you seek is known as victory. What better way to obtain it than to study past victors.

[Spoiler] also keep in mind that some card choices are meta dependent. If you can't figure out why they are using a certain card, try it anyway. You might discover why it's considered good. Conversely, if it sucks (read: doesn't help you destroy your opponent), take it out and find something that doesn't. Nothing is written in stone.[/spoiler]

>> No.35541257

Whatever, I didn't want the spoiler tags to work anyway.

>> No.35541290

> I'm trying to build a angel, demon, and dragon deck with control agro

Dis guy. Holy shit.

>> No.35541322


>> No.35541377


lol morph deck...

>> No.35541474

Too much hand removal, shit red splash just for rabblemaster and stormbreath. You already have good enough creatures in G/b why the fuck would you splash red? Just make it a devotion deck.

>> No.35541618

13/hour is below minimum wage in most developed nations. Christ America, get it together.

>> No.35541768

This is my Mardu aggro, help on the sideboard/main would be appreciated.

4 Bloodsoaked champion
4 soldier of the Pantheon
4 Tormented Hero
4 Gnarled Scarhide
4 Butcher of the Horde
4 Frenzied Goblin
2 Grim Haruspex

3 Lightning Strike
3 Thoughtseize
2 Mardu Ascendancy

5 Mountain
5 Plains
5 Swamp
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Caves of Koilos
1 Urborg

3 Suspension Field
3 Nyx-Fleece Ram
3 Dark Betrayal
3 Hushwing Gryff
3 Phyrexian Revoker

>> No.35541776


You say that as if I have that sorta power...

>> No.35541863


Aggro suggests a strategy that centers around speed and crushing an opponent as quickly and efficiently as possible. Demons, dragons and angels historically sit in the higher end of a mana curve, making the two concepts typically opposed to eachother. In any given block you might find one or two creatures in those types that is efficiently costed enough to work in an aggro deck, but this is not one of those times, and you'll almost certainly never encounter a standard environment containing enough of them to build an entire deck around.

That's the nicest way I can put it. But yes.

>> No.35542059

He said a part-time, minimum wage job.
I.E. something a teenager would be doing.

>> No.35542108

That's no morph deck. Looks like a Simic Midrange that tops out with Sagu Mauler. It makes use of Morph but in all honesty it probably doesn't even need to.

>> No.35542130

Min wage where I live is 20 per hour for casual work.

>> No.35542154

I'm sure your cost of living is far higher, as well.
Minimum wage isn't meant to be livable, it's meant to be a starting point.

>> No.35542157

is this an appraise my standard deck thread?

because I want to know how bad my deck is

ankle shanker 1
pony brigade 2
war behemoth 1
mardu warchief 4
herald of anafenza 1
timely hordemate 1
dazzling ramparts 1
abzan battle priest 1
abzan falconer 2
firehoof cavalry 2
sarkhan the dragonspeaker 1
dragon style twins 1
mardu heart piercer 2
valley dasher 3

arrow storm 2
smite the monstrous 1
rush of battle 2
kill shot 4
crackling doom 1
utter end 1

witness of the ages 1
ghostfire blade 1

plains 7
mountain 8
scoured barrens 4
bloodfell caves 4
nomad outpost 1

>> No.35542170


Where the fuck do you live? And how difficult is it to move there if I have a BSEE?

>> No.35542248

Minimum wage as a concept was created to allow people to LIVE on their wages.

>> No.35542259

Australia. For what it's worth, housing does cost substantially more, but overall it's a lot easier to actually function in Australia. Minimum wage is a living wage here.

>> No.35542311

>Implying a subtle benefit isn't still a benefit

>> No.35542358

I comes with a significant loss in life, though. Mathematically insignificant thinning isn't worth making it easier for your opponent to win.

>> No.35542401

The point to fetchlands was never to thin your deck, they aren't in high demand for that reason, and I've yet to meet someone who wasn't a complete shitter to put them in for it.

But the fact that it does do it is still a benefit, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I don't know why you are even arguing this point.

>> No.35542444

Anyone got any advice on this deck? Getting to the point that I won't have time to order the singles I need to make changes before game day.

>> No.35542669


Yeah but you have all of the worst kinds of spiders, snakes, jellyfish, etc, and shit-tier sweaty balls weather. Though you don't have gun violence so maybe the two cancel each other out.

And still want to know about Electronics Engineering there. Dunno if they need a guy who can program and use MatLab for the mining industry, I mean they probably need to run statistical analysis on their minerals amirite?

>> No.35542773


Probably better to replace hoplite with tymaret, especially in a tokens deck he's amazing.

Also, sideboard Dictate of Erebos for the devotion and midrange matchups.

>> No.35542875


Also I'd probably just buy a 1/2 acre of land there like this: http://www.qt.com.au/classifieds/ad/1767970/

And build an Earthship on it.

>> No.35543020

Bump for help.

>> No.35543035

> Australia

Everything costs damn near twice as much their as it does in the US.

>> No.35543175

Guys, I think that sagu mauler might be insane. What beats it?

>> No.35543210

Still not as bad as the Omniscience deck some kid at my old collage tried to build when that was in standard.

>> No.35543215

What the hell does it do? The deck has a lot of cards that are just unplayable. You need to know what your deck wants to do before making it. For example, I'm making a control deck, so it's filled with removal and draw and all that shit.

>> No.35543231


Crackling doom, siege rhino + abzan charm, pumped polukranos... shall i go on?

>> No.35543422

I really want the Gameday Champion Playmat? Is this good enough to get me there? Not sure what to do for sideboard

Land (23)
4x Battlefield Forge
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Caves of Koilos
3x Mountain
2x Swamp
2x Temple of Malice
2x Temple of Silence
2x Temple of Triumph

Creature (21)
4x Bloodsoaked Champion
2x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
4x Butcher of the Horde
3x Goblin Rabblemaster
2x Purphoros, God of the Forge
3x Soldier of the Pantheon
3x Stormbreath Dragon

Instant (12)
4x Lightning Strike
4x Mardu Charm
4x Raise the Alarm

Enchantment (2)
2x Mardu Ascendancy

Planeswalker (2)
2x Sorin, Solemn Visitor

>> No.35543568


i had the idea that it has a lot of cheap warriors that attack quickly, and it instantly kills blocking creatures whenever I want

>> No.35544943

>timely hordemate
>ankle shanker
>pony brigade
>war behemoth


I... I just...

I don't even know what to say. I don't have the patience to deal with people... let's say "on this level", anymore.

>> No.35545099


no need to be insulting

>> No.35545129

Not him, but that's not insulting. That deck is a complete mess. It has 3 playable cards in it.

>> No.35545340


I almost feel like you're replying to the wrong post.

If not, did you read his reply beyond the green text?

>> No.35545353

It's kind of more insulting to us that you come here and post a deck like that.

>> No.35545415

Sideboard should aim to counter what's in your meta in a reasonable ratio. If you're fighting against alot of tokens decks, you need something that does small damage to alot of creatures, such as Anger of the Gods. I'm sure you can figure out the rest.

I would also go for 24 lands seeing as your deck is midrange.

>> No.35545418


I literally did everything I could to not be insulting.

I didn't even cuss or anything, you should be appreciative I didn't just go off on you. Especially considering the website we're on.

But seriously though: please, for the love of god, read and follow this:>>35540672

I wrote it specifically for someone like you. Just follow those instructions and you should be just fine to begin with, you'll learn the rest along the way.

Here, I'll even help you out. Here's a list that took first place in japan, Mono U Robots. It's one of the cheapest decks in the format to make, and is perfectly competitive for FNM:


But you HAVE TO do your research and know how to play the game and what decks are popular in the format, and you HAVE TO buy singles online (because that's the cheapest way and when you're starting out, you obviously don't have very many cards). But you only need 1 deck.

AND DOWNLOAD COCKATRICE! (http://www.woogerworks.com/) It's free, open source, and easy to install. Basically allows you to play MTG on the internet for free, and there are hundreds of people playing all the time. You can even spectate games other people are playing (click the "filter games" button and check off "show unavailable games"). Perfect tool to be able to play with all of the expensive cards whenever you want for free, and learn the game in your spare time.

This is the nicest way I can put it. Make a kitchen table mtg thread at least, instead of wasting everyone's time here.

>> No.35545430

3x Mystic
4x Carytid
4x Courser
3x Polukranos
2x Stormbreath
4x Sagu Mauler
3x Genesis Hydra
1x Xenagod
1x Surrak
2x Kiora
1x Xenawalker
1x Nissa
2x Sarkhan
4x Rabblemaster
2x Lightning Strike
2x AEtherspouts

21 land

How's it look?

>> No.35545431

I made a SUPER BUDGET version of Ivan Floch's UB Control deck that made the top 8. This isn't intended to be super competitive, but I made it for a friend with the hopes that he might go to FNM. I literally just copy pasted Ivan Floch's list, replaced Hero's Downfall, Dig Through Time and Thoughtseize with Asphyxiate, Treasure Cruise and Murderous Cut respectfully, and budgeted out the lands. This shouldn't do TOO bad, but I know it really has no way of dealing with Planeswalkers now other than hard counters.

So my question is: What should I add here to deal with a resolved Planeswalker? Is there anything other than Hero's Downfall, or should I just add more Set Adrift so he can counter it on the way back down?

4 Prognostic Sphinx

Instants and Sorceries
4 Asphyxiate
4 Disdainful Stroke
4 Dissolve
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Despise
3 Bile Blight
2 Silence the Believers
2 Murderous Cut
2 Drown in Sorrow

4 Dismal Backwater
4 Opulent Palace
9 Swamp
9 Island
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

4 Returned Phalanx
3 Pharika's Cure
2 Negate
2 Set Adrift
2 Drown in Sorrow
1 Bile Blight
1 Pearl Lake Ancient

>> No.35545461

Is there a reason you're running Lightning Strike over, like, Temur Charm? You're going to be a little weak to removal, I would consider mainboarding some kind of counterspell just as a two-of.

>> No.35545490


you two take yourselves too seriously

please, lighten up

>> No.35545503

Also I'm starting to think maybe I should take out a few Treasure Cruises for just some Divination or Sign In Blood or something. Without the fetchlands he's not going to have much in the yard.

>> No.35545534

Lightning Strike kills Rabblemaster and Mantis Rider by itself.

Removal is why I'm running Sagu Mauler though, and all those planeswalkers. Disdainful Stroke is in the sideboard, though, if it's for removal dodging, I almost want to run that 1U-tax spell/ferocious counter it, though I forget it's name.

What would I even take out for the counters?

>> No.35545540

Not either of those posters, but the guy with the long post was being pretty helpful.

>> No.35545550

This is the best advice posted in this thread.

Also, what's the decklist for that image you've posted?

>> No.35545604

>deal with resolved planeswalker
Phyxerian Revoker is reasonable.

I don't know if Murder is still in standard, but that's strictly better than Asphyxiate.
Also see if you can pick up one of those shapeshifters, I forget what theyre called, that can copy planeswalkers.

>> No.35545615

You'd take out Lightning Strike for Temur Charm. If you're having trouble with Jeskai Wins and the Lightning Strike is a meta call, that's fine.

My other suggestion would be to board out Surrak. He's a monster vs. control, but most anything else I'd rather just have Nylea or something.

Looks like standard UG Morph. Something like this: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-10-14-ug-morph/

>> No.35545627

Would like some opinions on this BW agro I just restructured from Warrior tribal. Warriors don't seem to be able to work well if you go all in like other tribes, so I just decide to dilute it and add some more disruption in white. Rippers are there because I have no real removal other than 2 Banishing light, 1 Cut, and stuff from the board.

I think my biggest issue right now is my mana base, but i'm too poor for even Koilos at the moment. I'm sure I have some trade fodder for it but for now i'll just proxy deal with it


>> No.35545667

I took him out because I felt he was better than Nylea, since I'm not running crazy green devotion other than Courser, so she's actually a pain to get online, and he gives my dudes trample while being a threat himself.

And I meant what take out for counterspells.

>> No.35545732

Temur Charm IS a counterspell that doubles as removal and works with your colors. That's why I recommended it.

It's less relevant against Jeskai Wins, but really relevant against Abzan Midrange, so which one you use is a meta call.

>> No.35545752

I forgot it had that mode. I feel dumb now. I should probably go 2 temur main, 2 LS board, thanks. Now to find those fucking charms.

>> No.35545809

It's amazing vs. Abzan. You'll counter just about every Rhino that comes down, and the ones that do resolve can be eaten by just about any creature in your mainboard

>> No.35545833

Does anyone have the decklist of the Japanese guy at PTKTK who was using the UG Devotion deck? I can't find it.

>> No.35545856

You like rams for aggro... okay, here's the question, how do they help you win? Every creature in an aggro deck should be about putting early pressure on your opponent's life total, how does a 0 power creature do that?

>> No.35545911

> I don't like the idea of Rams in aggro
He clearly said he doesn't.

>> No.35545961

>I don't like the idea of Rams in aggro
>You like rams for aggro
nice to see that standard players are observant

>> No.35545979

I've been looking for it for days. His name is Masashi Oiso, the list doesn't seem like it was posted anywhere, he doesn't keep a blog, I can't find anything.

>> No.35545995

He's got four mainbaord Rams and doesn't like them? The point still stands, running even one in mainboard aggro is a mistake, much less a playset.
He's playing a playset of them, so he obviously does like them.

>> No.35546009

Don't get me wrong, rams are the last thing he should have in his deck, I was just pointing out that he said he didn't like them.

>> No.35546024

I've got four standard decks.

Jeskai ascendency
mono B
quad deflecting palm burn
and the most useful one that barely lets me down: Sultai devotion

I run:
Eidolon of blossoms
elvish mystic
genesis hydra
doomwake giant
sylvan Caryatid
courser of kruphix
dictate of karametra
dictate of kruphix
chord of calling
hero's downfall
extingish all hope
In garruk's wake
kiora, the crashing wave
villainous wealth
nykthos, shrine of nyx
various other lands

the numbers of each of these are mixed but I usually win with extinguish + swing, large villainous + opponent rage quit, or just casting in garruk's wake. The card advantage and mana production is silly in here

>> No.35546066

Thank you for the name. I don't think it performed well enough but I can probably make something of an educated guess as to what it was. Only BG devotion got posted.

>> No.35546111

It performed pretty well considering I was like, the ONLY deck to even make it that far. When you talk about Jeskai Wins and Abzan Midrange being the best decks, you have to consider that a majority of people who showed up were playing those.

>> No.35546582

>mfw new to magic and initially wanted to build my own decks with cards I picked myself
>mfw it's fun but my decks are shit cuz I don't know what I'm doing
>Look at pro tour KTK matches the other day
>Realize the Abzan Midrange decks look like a lot of fun
>Not worried about copying other peoples' decks now because they're fun because they're -good-

wtb Siege Rhinos

>> No.35546656

Could you post decklist, please?

>> No.35547133


Just run tymaret over ram holy shit.

Why are you not running tymaret in a deck that makes tons of fodder for him? He can just keep recurring from sac'ing tokens, too.

>> No.35547259


Ok so drop the despise the rabble and the dragon what goes in? Eidolon of blossoms, boon satyr and master of the feast? more removal?

>> No.35547330


Don't run Master of the Feast. 9/10 it's a terrible card that just fucks you over.

>> No.35547381

I agree. run Herald instead. Cheaper (both mana and money wise), bestow-able for reach and evasion, and life loss is nothing

>> No.35547386

So until now I only drafted mtg, but I wanted to try out Standard (not more than local fnm's for now) and I heard aggro decks should win by turn 5. Is this true? What about midrange/control decks?

>> No.35547402


Back during the first KTK FNM some guy posted pics of a bunch of decks he (and I guess his group) made. That was one of them that I saved.

This is another one.

>> No.35547430


It's general considered to be the best deck in the format, but it's also very much pay2win.

If you can afford it, go for it, though. I'd run Ari's list from the PT KTK

>> No.35547487


Ok still note sure what to put in then. I'm honestly more of a modern/edh player but my LGS is all about standard so I try to keep a competitive deck. I have a play set of stormbreath dragons, thoughtseize and coursers I'd love to run in a deck together just not sure how it should look.

>> No.35547494


This is what bothers me about big tourneys. Everyone just plays the 2 or 3 best decks.

Still gonna see if I can trade/sell my free pass to the SCG Open, idk if I want to go with my Jeskai (will likely eventually be just RW) tokens deck. It's like... you either play the midrange mirror all day, or you get beaten by it all day. And I outright fucking refuse to play the abzan midrange mirror... I've seen footage.

What bothers me most is wingmate roc. It probably wouldn't be so bad, running elspeth, if he wasn't around.

>> No.35547831

If you just want to kill stuff with big monsters play Temur Monsters. If you want G/b play devotion, and play only green creatures except for Doomwake Giant. Should look something like this:

4 Elvish Mystic
4 Genesis Hydra
2 Hornet Queen
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Voyaging Satyr
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Doomwake Giant
4 Eidolon of Blossoms
4 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Nylea, God of the Hunt

4 Nykthos, Shrine To Nyx + 20 more lands

You can also add either Nissa or Garruk, and should put all your removal in sideboard.

>> No.35547991


ugh ok

I have to rip the decj a[art to do it

>> No.35548296


Eidolon of blossoms 4
elvish mystic 3
genesis hydra 4
doomwake giant 1
sylvan Caryatid 3
courser of kruphix 4
dictate of karametra 2
dictate of kruphix 3
chord of calling 2
hero's downfall 3
negate 3
extingish all hope 3
In garruk's wake 2
kiora, the crashing wave 2
villainous wealth 2
urborg 2
nykthos, shrine of nyx 4
temple of mystery 2
llanowar wastes 4
forest 5
island 3
swamp 1

it works really well I was surprised, but then I put alot of work into it

>> No.35548347

Actually retarded. Standard is not the format for theme decks of singleton.

>> No.35548460

Please run 1 Ob Nixilis with this and Chord him in in response to a tapland being cracked

I have been waiting for this to happen so hard

>> No.35548516

It's a fetch

>> No.35548540

yes, that's what I meant

>> No.35548612

OP here and I build a deck I read about this deck online and followed it except so cards I don't have. Your thoughts ?

2x Indulgent Tormentor
1x Resolute Archangel
2x Ankle Shanker
4x Mardu Hordechief
2x Ponyback Brigade
1x Bloodsoaked Champion
4x Borderland Marauder
2x Chief of the Edge
2c Chief of the Scale
2x Valley Dasher

2x Nomad Outpost
2x Wind-Scarred Crag
4x Swamps
5x Plains
6x Mountains
1x Scoured Barrens
2x Bloodfell Caves

1x Anger of the Gods
3x Mardu Charm
2x Hordeling Outburst
1x Arrow Storm
4x Lighting Strike
1x In Garruk's Wake
2x End Hostilities

1x Spear of Heliod

>> No.35548699

>OP here and I build a deck I read about this deck online and followed it except so cards I don't have. Your thoughts ?
Well first would be to learn some English. Next would be to buy some actual good cards. This deck is a mess. It's very slow and very clunky. It's only 59 cards if I counted correctly.

>> No.35548707

I had not thought of this.. you are awesome... I'll need to fit him in some how but yes it that feels like a great idea

>> No.35548763

>Your thoughts ?
You're killing me, bro. I love your deck, keep up the good work.

>> No.35548770

I currently have 2 decks, and a third I am close to finishing.
The two I have finished
And the third I am trying to finish. I still need Sorin, Ajani, 1 more Wingmate Roc, and a few lands.

>> No.35548802

Well I can add another card and okay so what's wrong with it What would you change ? Like I said I went online to build it

>> No.35548831

Someone likes my deck

>> No.35548832

Not that guy but it looks like you're trying to build a Mardu Aristocrats deck by making lots of tokens... except you're not actually doing anything with your tokens. In fact, most of the time, you're just going to kill your own tokens with your own spells (Anger, End Hostilities).

The next problem is you have lots of 1-and-2-ofs. If you're going to make a mediocre deck, it should at least be consistent.

It shouldn't be too hard to build a budget version of this deck (aka no Rabblemaster or Sorin):


>> No.35548927

>what's wrong with it
It's a bunch of 2 ofs of awful cards. You are trying to be some kind of aggro token deck yet you run Anger of the Gods, End Hostitlites, and In Garruk's Wake, which costs way too much for a deck like this. Your low drop cards are awful, the top end of you curve is awful and way too high. You want consistency, not a bunch of random 1 and 2 ofs that do very little, and will sit in your hand for the entire game because you never get enough mana to cast them.

No he doesn't.

>> No.35549155

If you want a decent deck you're just going to have to actually buy cards instead of using ones that are laying around.

You can build most of a decent deck by getting these cards and adding them to the ones you have:

4 Grim Haruspex
4 Despise
4 Tormented Hero
4 War-name Aspirant
4 Tymaret, the Murder King
4 Butcher of the Horde
3 Bloodsoaked Champion
2 Chief of the Edge
1 Mardu Charm
2 Dictate of Erebos
2 Mardu Ascendancy
2 Magma Spray

AND it'll be under $40 (ignore shipping, if you buy all from 1-2 sellers that goes away)

You won't break down the doors of any tournament with this, but you might reasonably compete at FNM instead of embarrassing yourself with the inconsistent list you have now. You just won't get anywhere if you have a deck full of 2-of's that don't work together.

>> No.35549496

you mean kaito i think...

he always build a bunch of seudo competitive decks, to lure the new players in build them... then he can crush them theorically

>> No.35549523

A-Anyone? ;_;

>> No.35549669

Well aggro decks want to win as fast as possible. There are different aggro decks though. There are token decks that try to go wide, there are mono red decks that try and be as fast as possible, and then there's the Jeskai deck which is basically a burn deck with Mantis Rider and Goblin Rabblemaster. Control decks can take as long as they want to win the game. When/if they get control they can just durdle and sit around until they draw their win condition, and then wait to play it until they know it's %100 safe. Midrange decks are obviously in the middle. They can play the longer game against aggro decks by gaining lots of life with cards like Courser of Kruphix, Sorin, Solemn Visitor, Siege Rhino, Wingmate Roc, and Whip of Erebos. They can also play a more aggro game against control decks, and play cards like Anafenza, Rakshasa Deathdealer, and Fleecemane Lion. It all depends on the match up and particular build of the deck.

>> No.35549713

You should probably win in a goldfish (no opponent) by turn 5 or so, yeah. If rabblemaster comes down turn 3, you're doing 1 damage that turn, 6 damage the next turn, and 8 damage by turn 5.

Midrange/Control you're not worrying about the turn count. You're worrying about the 'lock' where you just start getting card advantage over your opponent and there's just not much they can do to come back. You could win on turn 10 or turn 30.

>> No.35550009

Okay I understand what you guys are saying how about
3x Devouring Light
1x Bile Blight

>> No.35550047

Final update for my RDW list since yesterday, will be bringing this one on Friday night: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/red-deck-wins-ktkths/

-2 frenzied goblin
-2 hammerhand, sideboarded
-2 howl of the horde, sideboarded
-4 searing blood, sideboarded
+2 mountain
+4 fated conflagration
+4 war-name aspirant

>> No.35550358

What are you talking about? Where are either of those mentioned int his thread?

>> No.35550875

Are you twelve?

>> No.35551264

People told me to take out Anger of the Gods End Hostilities stuff that kill my creatures so I put those in my deck

>> No.35551274

This looks really good to me! I loved that deck as well from Pro Tour and also have a budget because I only have Liliana Vess as a planeswalker that I pulled from a pack.

Thanks for posting this- I have been looking for more budget black/blue control cards.

>> No.35551468

>using it with Hordeling Outburst

>> No.35551639


Is something like Back to Nature going to see play again, m/tg/?

And you fuckers thought constellation was dead... lol

>> No.35551651

I just transfered my abzan from modern to standard. Farewell corpsejack menace. Do you guys think trading a couple fetches for a ajani mentor of heroes is a solid replacement? I also had to ditch my ajani caller of pride from the deck. I don't think I want to run more than 2 rhinos.

>> No.35551670

That monowhite token butthurt card

>> No.35551696

You're just going to need something to deal with planeswalkers, like I said. Sideboard some bounce cards and counter it when it comes back down.

>> No.35551698



>> No.35551727

I doubt it. The thing is, any deck running green is going to be running Coursers, and the won't want to kill their own creatures. Naturalize works just fine.

>> No.35551765

I'm going to kiss ass with this deck

>> No.35551798

Yeah. I ordered a couple of Phyrexian Revokers, too. Thanks again.

>> No.35551905

>I'm going to kiss ass with this deck
Whatever you say, champ.

>> No.35551945


>I'm going to kiss ass

You sure will, buddy.

You sure will.

>> No.35551974

Lol thanks for the help

>> No.35552028

Been working on this deck for the past couple of days. Hoping to get it ready before game day. If I could get some advice on it, especially the sideboard, I'd really appreciate it.

I'd REALLY like to avoid dropping the megabux on elspeth, but she seems like the best option I have against the midrange green and abzan decks. I know lots of decks are going to be siding in their drowns and doomwakes (if they're not already maindeck) and angers, so I figured a transformative sideboard would be best against those sorts of decks.

Only running 2 wingmates because I happen to have pulled both at the prereleases. Amazed at how much they've gone up in value, but then again I guess I'm really not.

I also can't decide whether or not a 4x purphoros god deck would be a good idea or not. Just all-in purphoros as a win strategy. I mean, you'd have to depend on scrying to hopefully draw into him, but once you get him on the field you can just start nuking the opponent directly while giving 0 fucks about whether your tokens even continue living or not. Seems powerful, but idk.

>> No.35552080

I could use some feedback on a deck I'm thinking of making. It's mardu colours, not quite sure if it's aggro or what at the moment.

Creature (19)
1x Athreos, God of Passage
4x Bloodsoaked Champion
1x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
4x Butcher of the Horde
4x Chief of the Edge
3x Goblin Rabblemaster
1x Iroas, God of Victory
1x Purphoros, God of the Forge

Enchantment (4)
4x Mardu Ascendancy

Planeswalker (2)
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1x Sorin, Solemn Visitor

Land (24)
4x Bloodfell Caves
2x Mountain
4x Nomad Outpost
3x Plains
4x Scoured Barrens
3x Swamp
4x Wind-Scarred Crag

Instant (11)
4x Mardu Charm
4x Ride Down
3x Utter End

>> No.35552103

Guy who posted thelist here. I indeed want to get rid of the Rams, but what is a 2-drop in WBR that resists Drown in Sorrow/Anger of the Gods? Because everyone in the local Meta runs a playset of at least one of those.

>> No.35552178


-athreos, brimaz (double white ick), elspeth
+rabblemaster, purphoros, sorin

Otherwise looks alright. Mana base looks kinda eh but it's budget I guess.

>> No.35552229

Looks pretty decent. How is your curve? Do you consistently get your 1-2 drops down in time?

I'd take out Brimaz for another Rabblemaster unless you can consistently get him down. Figure out which god works best (probably Purphoros) and just use that one, take out the others.

>> No.35552301


It's not really looking like an aggro deck to me tbh. More of a midrange deck, I mean you've got 4x butcher (4cmc) and 4x stormbreath (5cmc).

Considering that, I'd probably suggest keeping the rams, but dropping magma jet for 2 more lands and the fourth copy of both ascendency and crackling doom or banishing light depending on your meta.

>> No.35552307

I think Crackling Doom might work better than Ride Down. The trample damage is mostly irrelevant and they're usually not going to be blocking with their bigger creatures.

>> No.35552635

Yeah, sorry about the name discrepancy. I figures if that Guy at PT could call a deck w/ Rhino and Rock "Aggro", then I could get away with it, too. My dream is to get something on par with Fleecemane/Deathdealer in Mardu colors.

>> No.35552748


>> No.35552773


>> No.35552814

> That feel when you finally get your first win and there also happens to be a 20 point difference.

>> No.35552846

>don't think I wanna run more than 2 rhinos.
What are you on, where did you get it and why the fuck aren't you sharing?

>> No.35552969

I'm going to make Temur Devotion work, god dammit. It's going to happen. Here's my latest list, I went 3-0 on Sunday standard. Having the most trouble with black, so I've actually mainboarded a couple of my Stubborn Denial to try to prevent most of the Hero's Downfalls on G1.

4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Kiora's Follower
4 Voyaging Satyr
4 Polukranos, World Eater
3 Arbor Colossus
3 Boon Satyr
2 Prophet of Kruphix
2 Hornet Nest

4 Crater's Claws
2 Stubborn Denial
2 Temur Charm
2 Bow of Nylea

4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
4 Forest
4 Temple of Mystery
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Mountain
2 Shivan Reef
2 Yavimaya Coast
2 Frontier Bivouac

4 Destructive Revelry
3 Genesis Hydra
2 Hornet Nest
2 Stubborn Denial
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Nylea, God of the Hunt
1 Nissa, Worldwaker

Some shit this deck can do:

>Crater's Claws for 20+ to the face by turn 6/7
>Massive Polukranos monstrosities
>Temur Charm to fight Hornet Nest vs. big creature on opponent's board
>Flash in Boon Satyr in response to Stubborn Denial
>Bow of Nylea + swinging Polukranos going monstrous = boardwipe
>Bestow Boon Satyr on a hornet for a quick deathtouch 5/3 flyer
>Prophet of Kruphix just doing its thing. Flash in a ton of green stuff and then hit Nykthos
>When against anything with low amount of removal, board in G-Hydra and Nylea and go to town

>> No.35553401



I'm probably going to drop the money on a devotion list with 4x claws at some point, I'm sure. Blue splash for 4 extra land untappers seems pretty legit, though.

>> No.35553446


Also, I don't know if you noticed this, but you can actually crater's claws your own hornet nest to make a shit-ton of 1/1 flying deathtouch dudes. You didn't mention it in your greentext, at least.

>> No.35553515

Yeah, I do that occasionally, but I don't do it for more the 6 very often and it's usually a last resort to get a little more damage in or if I really need a pseudo-hornet queen. It's just wait too easy to get hit with Drown in Sorrow, Anger of The Gods, Doomwake Giant, etc.

>> No.35553534

also I'm fucking awful at english tonight apparently.

>Yeah, I do that occasionally, but I don't do it for more than 6 very often and it's usually a last resort to get a little more damage in, or if I really need a pseudo-hornet queen. It's just way too easy to get hit with Drown in Sorrow, Anger of The Gods, Doomwake Giant, etc.

>> No.35553828

anyone else want to comment?

>> No.35554142

imma play naya tokens for fnm

>Land (24)
6x Forest
4x Mountain
3x Plains
2x Temple of Abandon
2x Temple of Plenty
2x Temple of Triumph
2x Windswept Heath
3x Wooded Foothills

>Creature (21)
3x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
2x Courser of Kruphix
4x Elvish Mystic
4x Goblin Rabblemaster
2x Purphoros, God of the Forge
4x Sylvan Caryatid
2x Wingmate Roc

>Sorcery (4)
2x Crater's Claws
2x Launch the Fleet

>Instant (5)
2x Chord of Calling
3x Raise the Alarm

>Planeswalker (6)
2x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4x Xenagos, the Reveler

2x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4x Mistcutter Hydra
3x Nyx-Fleece Ram
3x Reclamation Sage
3x Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker

>> No.35554525

Playing U/B Control

>> No.35554979

Why isn't Iroas finding his way into more Mardu decks?

>> No.35555035

What exactly are you Chording out here?

>> No.35555070

ashiok nightmare weaver preys on midrange decks, timmies baffled. more at 11.

>> No.35555080

I had fun at prerelease playing Jeskai so I wanted to make a new standard deck.
I am not exactly sure what to put into it
So far I am planning
4X Mantis Rider
4X Seeker of the Way
4X Jeskai Charm
I am not sure if I should go for more control or burn.
I was also thinking of adding some Goblin Rabblemasters as they would be good if I go a more burn/aggro style deck.

>> No.35555129

This is already a deck. Jeskai tempo/aggro/burn/wins whatever you want to call it.

>> No.35555181

Well shit. I was just going off of whatever cards I had that seemed appropriate.

>> No.35555257

Just add lightning strikes, magma jets, stoke the flames, a couple sarkhans, some dig through times

>> No.35555304

That sounds good to add.

>> No.35555305

For anyone looking into this list, I think I'm replacing Asphyxiate with Gild. Asphyxiate is just a terrible card for killing anything that's attacking you, Gild is only 1 more mana and it gives you one back when you play it.

>> No.35555900

purphoros or wingame roc.

>> No.35556608

Every time I make a deck I try to make something completely different from the previous one. I was thinking either making UB control, Jeskai or some form of Sultai deck. But I am not really sure on what I should go with.

>> No.35556643

Jeskai is doing the best out of those, Control will be the cheapest. Sultai probably the most fun.

>> No.35556674

Fun is unimportant so i will probably go the UB control instead.

>> No.35556754

You can make this list:
for literally under $20. It does okay. If you find it going too slow try Pearl Lake Ancient for the sideboard. I think Sphinx is way better though, once you get card advantage it doesn't matter if it takes 7 swings.

>> No.35556892

Alright thank you I will have a look at it. I will see how it goes and swap out as things as I need to.

>> No.35556946

I've been testing it since I originally made the list and I ended up swapping 4 Asphyxiate for 4 Gild, as well as adding 4 Evolving Wilds over 2 of each basic land

>> No.35557108

What do you guys think is the best abzan midrange list?

>> No.35557173

It's probably the one that won the Pro Tour.


>> No.35557221

What cards do I have to put into the sultai delve sideboard to stand a chance against Azban midrange

>mfw playtesting the matchup today

>> No.35557370

dark betrayal, ashiok nightmare weaver, erebos god of the dead, disdainful stroke.

>> No.35557375

Disdainful Stroke and more removal

>> No.35557381

Disdainful Stroke, Ashiok, Hero's Downfall

>> No.35557407

Also good fucking luck against Wingmate Roc. Still can't figure out that card. I mainboard 3 Arbor Colossus in my devotion deck now just because of those fuckers

>> No.35557452

So I bought a rabble master yesterday. 15 bucks. I'm still sorta starting at the game so it feels weird paying over a third of what I would pay for a fat pack and only getting a single card.

I'm trying to do RWB aggro but I don't think I have the cards for it yet. I only have a single elspeth, only one zurgo, and only one rabble master. My playset of blood soaked champons should be in friday or saturday so that should be a big help. Any other cards I should really try to get?

I also wanna do a RGBlue type control deck since I have 2 kurphix, 2 coursers, pulled Surrak from my pre-release pack and just got a kiora but I haven't really seen anyone else playing it. It it a viable set up or would my costs be too high?

Budget really isn't an issue (within reason) so any help would be awesome.

>> No.35557470

>curve starts at 5
this is a good list OP.

>> No.35557489

3 Colour Aggro isn't usually a good idea.

>> No.35557504

It's okay, he fixed the deck since then.

>> No.35557515

Really? I thought it was pretty popular and good for a while. I've had my elspeth for a while and I don't really run a whole lot of white in the deck so would it be better to do just red black?

>> No.35557522

Matters in storm. Not the thinning, but removing lands specifically.

>> No.35557539

Well first you need to play 3+ Rabblemasters or none. 4 preferably. Sucks but if you want to play him, 1 won't cut it. He's a curve card, not a finisher.

Secondly, the cards your going for are leaning more toward midrange than aggro, and since Mardu Midrange has been doing a lot better than Mardu Aggro, I'd try to go in that direction.

This is ideally the kind of deck you're going to want: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=8257&d=247477&f=ST

>> No.35557590

Aggro wants to hit as hard as it can as fast as it can. usually the more colours you have the slower it makes the deck.

>> No.35557614

So, who has the list for RW aggro?

>> No.35557661

This is more tempo/burn but it won a state championship

4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Goblin Rabblemaster

4 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Searing Blood
4 Magma Jet
3 Deflecting Palm
3 Arc Lightning
3 Chained to the Rocks
1 Chandra, Pyromaster

11 Mountain
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Plains
1 Wind-Scarred Crag

>> No.35557668

Why isn't that running Ride Down?

>> No.35557690

Because how relevant is the trample damage going to be, really?

>> No.35557700

how relevant is 2 mana wreck his dude?

>> No.35557714

I figured as much. I felt like I just wasn't doing too much with it having only just one. Looks like I'll have to pick up some more soon. i just hope they drop in price or something soon.

So what do you think woud work better? RW aggro or RB aggro? I already have a playset of blood soaked champions in transit.

>> No.35557739


3 color aggro CAN work, but it will require you to spend quite a lot of money on your manabase.

You'll need fetches, painlands and confluences or your deck will be too slow

>> No.35557751

If you want to use Bloodsoaked Champion I'd just go full RBW Mardu with Butcher of The Horde and all that. It won't technically be an 'aggro' deck but it'll feel like one and will be more fun anyway.

>> No.35557845

RBW midrange is probably a better option than going Aggro.

>> No.35557925

I'm pretty sure I have a confluence tucked away in a box somewhere but that's just one. I've been running a lot of the "comes in tapped, you gain a life and you can tap it for a R/B, B/W, R/W" annd with 3 copies of each it's been working pretty well.

I know that this may sound like a stupid question but I don't understand why fetch lands are so good and desired. Pain lands I sorta get but but again why not just add in a "gate" instead.

I actually just pulled a butcher of the horde so that's good timing. I'm not sure if I added it in yet. If you want I can try to count out my deck and put together a deck list but I have a lot of 1 or 2 offs where I would have more if I could.

I don't have anything against midrange it just looks a lot more expensive especially on the planeswalker side.

>> No.35557952

Aggro would end up being more expensive due to all the lands you would need to make it work.

>> No.35558032

You don't NEED walkers in it, use the Elspeth you have and just add more removal or something.

>> No.35558107

>why fetch lands are so good and desired
They're great in other formats where shocks and real duals are legal. In standard, not as good, but still they find the color you need, give tons of value with Courser, let you shuffle your library on demand, etc.

>> No.35558236

>I don't understand why fetch lands are so good and desired
Fetches aren't as good in standard as they are in other formats. In standard they are good with Courser of Kruphix, and help fix you mana with a land that doesn't come into play tapped. In other formats you can fetch for dual lands, and shuffle your library.

>> No.35558363

>mfw I tell people aggro is unplayable because I play UB Control and have no possible way of winning game 1

>> No.35558459

Hey, I know I'm like 3 days late with this but someone actually topped with a combo deck in standard!
RIP combo in standard ;_;

>> No.35558461

pulled a foil Thoughtseize today and did the exact same thing

>> No.35560071

What if you built, say, a Mardu-colors deck that mainboarded aggro, but whose sideboard was almost entirely dedicated to switching it to midrange cards? It'd be a stupid and noncompetitive idea, but it would also be hilarious.

Of course, I'm one of those weirdos that just wants to make wacky decks and use cards people forget about. Like fated Conflagration. That thing kills just about all of the relevant planeswalkers, most of the beaters, and has (extremely limited) versatility in the option to scry at sorc speed. I just want to find it a home, really.

>> No.35560255

This is what I'm running for Standard at the moment, any thoughts /tg/?


4x Akroan Crusader
4x Monastery Swiftspear
4x Foundry Street Denizen
4x War Name Aspirant
4x Goblin Rabblemaster
2x Purphoros

Instants & Sorceries

4x Titans Strength
4x Hammerhand
4x Lightning Strike
2x Coordinated Assault
2x Stoke the Flames


2x Hall of Triumph


20x Mountain

Aiming to possibly Top 8 at game day this weekend, will be my first game day, only been playing since just before M15 hit

>> No.35560394

My thread is awesome but not really getting the help I need

>> No.35560766

I'm in need of more rabble but don't get payed for another week.
This is what I'm running at the moment
>Creature Spells
4x foundry street denizen
4x frenzied goblin
2x jeering instigator
2x iroas, god of victory
2x ankle shanker
1x zurgo helmsmasher
1x goblin kaboomist
1x goblin rabblemaster
1x burnished hart
1x stormbreath dragon

>Noncreature spells
4x stoke the flames
3x banishing light
3x silence the believers
3x hoardling outburst
2x bile blight
2x read the bones
2x mardu ascendancy
2x obelisk of urd
1x goblinslide
1x alter of the brood

7x mountian
4x plains
4x swamp
1x bloodstained mire
1x scoured barrens

Goblinslide, kaboomist, stormbreath will probibly be replaced with rabble.
trying to get my hands on some more fetch lands but everyone around here is greedy with them and i don't wan't to spend 14$ on them

>> No.35560788

How viable is RDW right now?

>> No.35560842

you are quite welcome

>> No.35561478

Thinking of getting started with MTG, the local shop mainly plays standard. Personally I'd be just another casual playing mainly for fun, while not wanting to lose every single time.

What are the event decks that still work quite well, and should I buy one of those?

>> No.35561523


>Event decks for standard


Does your store do drafts? If they do then that's a pretty good place to start out, you'll still be worse than the other players but your cards will be on a roughly even level.

>> No.35561547

Someone post budget (~$50) abzan midrange.

>> No.35561575


Can't be done

You can do Abzan reanimator on a budget though.

>> No.35561584

... aw... You might.... no I don't think thats possible now.

>> No.35561592


>> No.35561668

do you know what aggro means? do you know the manacosts of angels, demons and dragons? you've got zero creatures at one or two mana, which is where the majority of your deck goes. There are no tricks for rediculous ramp you can really fit in with an aggro strategy right now, so that leaves you with 3 and four drops for your theme.

Dragon whelp is your only dragon choice, so dragons are it's out.

Angelwise, you have illusory angel as a situational 4 drop.

So you're in BU aggro in this standard. Good luck with that.

>> No.35561677

>all those one-ofs

>> No.35561728

Kiora isn't great. I'd much rather run another two Xenagos or Nissa. Xenny is an amazing toolbox, and Nissa speaks for herself. Kiora just doesn't do a hell of a lot in your deck

>> No.35561797

Dude, Jeskai's the most common pro deck at the moment. Check out the PT results, like half the decks were Jeskai.

>> No.35561832

>I know that this may sound like a stupid question but I don't understand why fetch lands are so good and desired. Pain lands I sorta get but but again why not just add in a "gate" instead
Dude, the number one most important thing with dual lands is that they come in untapped. ESPECIALLY FOR AGGRO HOLY SHIT. If your land comes in tapped, that's a free turn to your opponent. You've just skipped an entire turn. It's dreadful. If you're an aggro deck, you want to kill your opponent as quick as possible, and going "turn one, one drop, turn two, two drop, turn three, three drop" is the best way to do that, and impossible with CITP-tapped lands

>> No.35561833

They do, but there are usually prizes involved and tons of try-harding.

What's wrong with event decks for standard?

>> No.35561837

You got plenty of help, you elected to ignore it to make a stupid deck.

>> No.35561869

Well that'll happen when you're a 12 year old fag that won't take advice

>> No.35561873

Monastery Swiftspear x4
Seeker of the way x4
Mantis Rider x2

Sarkhan x1

Titan's Strength x4
Deflecting Palm x3
Jeskai Charm x4
Lighting Strike x4
Reprisal x2
Banishing LIght x2
Magma Jet x4
Tormenting Voice x2
Treasure Cruise x1
Dig Though Time x1

Plains x2
Island x2
Mountain x2
Temple of Truimph x2
Battlefield Forge x2
Shivan Reef x1
Temple of Epiphany x3
Mystic Monastery x4
Flooded Strand x2
Temple of Englightenment x2

Sideboard/What I might throw in
Wingmate Roc x2
Anger of the Gods x1
Stoke the Flames x2
Peak Eruption x2
Erase x4
End Hostilities x2
Suspension Field x2
Swan Song X2

I want some advice. I've been raiding the FLGS pretty much every day this week, and it has no lands, rabblemasters, mantas riders, sarkhans, or dig through times (Some one with money to spare bought up nearly everything). Everything I got I had to pull from boosters so keep that in mind.

>> No.35561888

If you are just playing casually it doesn't really matter what you play unless you are entering fnm or something similar.
If you are just learning to play magic just a starter deck or event deck is fine for whatever you do as you will just be playing with people for fun but you will probably lose a lot.

>> No.35561901

Anon, there's prizes for everything, even casual. Don't let that stop you.

>> No.35561921

Thoughts? Seemed to do pretty well against the FOTM decks I played against yesterday.

>> No.35561925

Since when is FNM not casual.

>> No.35561933

Ssshhhhhhhh only dreams now

>> No.35561956

I have all those cards. I hate them. I could build that deck but it seems so lame.

>> No.35561967

Seems more like a draft deck than anything else. Too many mediocre 2-ofs in place of playsets of good cards. Why would you want two pinewalkers instead of Polukranos? Why two savage punches instead of two more charms? Also, that landbase needs some serious work.

>> No.35561974

hahahahahahaha that's funny, anon

>> No.35561992


Because Polukranos is boring as fuck. Id rather Spellsnatchers or two more Avens + Ghostfire Blade. Same reason I'm not running caryatids. The punches are placeholders till I get two more charms, so I'll give you that one. What's your problem with the lands?

>> No.35562010

>Because Polukranos is boring as fuck. Id rather Spellsnatchers or two more Avens + Ghostfire Blade. Same reason I'm not running caryatids.
The scrub is strong in this one

>> No.35562022

You say that and all I hear is
>I have these cards (kind of)
>I would build this deck except I won't because I don't want to play the best deck in standard
Is it a snowflake reason?

>> No.35562029

>Polukranos is boring as fuck
If you're opposed to objectively good cards because of subjective personal reasons, why even post in this thread for advice?
>What's your problem with the lands?
Too many basics, life taplands are mediocre. You need temples and painlands to make it a more stable manabase, especially if you intend to get turn two avens and turn three knuckleblades

>> No.35562034


First I'm poor and have no money and I have been listening

>> No.35562050

So if you're poor build rabble red, or jeskai burn. You'll be able to play this deck for a year and it'll work a lot better and play a lot better than of you build "edgy.tribal"

>> No.35562053

I'm playing jeskai. I have one less fleecemane lion then that picture otherwise I have everything there. Green is the shittiest colour though.

>> No.35562065

Cool bro :^)

Running the same deck over and over is incredibly tedious to me. I've built the caryatid/courser/polukranos combo a few times, and I win FNM nearly every week, which is more than enough for me in this hobby. I like to try stuff out. Hence the weird morph-centric deck.

More foothills are on the list, but you're right on the temples/painlands. Just by the by, the avens are run in morph anyway, so it isn't too hard to guarantee them. Take your point on ensuring knuckleblades are online.

Thanks for the tips.

>> No.35562086

>I win fnm every week
>thinking that means anything
Do you think someone would do that? Just lie on the Internet?

>> No.35562094

No goblins I have no goblins
I don't like Jeskai don't have enough cards to make that deck

>> No.35562106

I don't think it means anything. I said right there that it means that I am happy enough with my performance in this hobby to not have to netdeck the latest top8 winner, and can try random stuff out. Whether you believe me depends on whether or not you think /tg/ is something worth lying for :^)

>> No.35562120

>don't have enough cards to make that deck
If you want to get into constructed you can't focus on what you already have and try to build something around it - it's only a waste on time.

Instead, focus on what you need to get.

>> No.35562127

>Hordeling Outburst
>down in sorrow

>> No.35562145

I think the point he's making is. If you don't care about winning and just want to play shitty decks why are you even asking for advice.

>> No.35562195

IMO 3 options:

>you should splash more blue
counters are a necessity with the amount of control decks

>if you dont want to splash counters, take out sphinx, kind of pointless with what youre going with. youd want like, a wall of frost or archers parapet or something. something cheaper to play and to stall out until your planeswalkers do work.

>simply ditch green and go BU control.
i copied Ivan Floch's deck and played at Mr. Nice guy's standard last night and had a blast. Made tons of misplays mind you, but it worked very well.

>> No.35562219

2x Indulgent Tormentor
1x Resolute Archangel
2x Ankle Shanker
4x Mardu Hordechief
2x Ponyback Brigade
1x Bloodsoaked Champion
4x Borderland Marauder
2x Chief of the Edge
2x Chief of the Scale
2x Valley Dasher

2x Nomad Outpost
2x Wind-Scarred Crag
5x Swamps
5x Plains
6x Mountains
1x Scoured Barrens
2x Bloodfell Caves

3x Devouring Light
3x Mardu Charm
2x Hordeling Outburst
1x Arrow Storm
4x Lighting Strike
1x Bile Blight

1x Spear of Heliod

>> No.35562264

google ivan floch's khans pro tour deck. its so much win status against control. im still working on perfecting a sideboard to beat heavy aggro though cause you can get fucked if you dont get a god tier hand. thats its only weakness so far. otherwise, phenomenal deck.

>> No.35563115

What cards would you guys say are good against abzan midrange and Gb devotion in Red and/or White?

I mostly crush the aggro and control decks aside from these, I'm trying to figure out how I can heavily hate on them from the sideboard. Playing RW tokens btw.

>> No.35563147


People don't run drown in sorrow game 1, it's a sideboard card because the meta is heavily midrange and it would be a dead card against them.

You sideboard out the tokens game 2, obviously. Elspeth is fun for repeatable token generation and purphoros interaction, but the outbursts and raise the alarms or whatever get taken out post-sideboard so that's really not a problem and actually helps by giving the opponent effectively dead cards.

>> No.35563435

>best deck in standard


>> No.35563914

i ran 2 DIS mainboard because of rabblemaster, w/b aggro and hornet queen, all of which were relevant at states.
i'm actually playing naya tokens right now, but my jund deck does run DIS mainboard.

>> No.35563945

I can't tell what this is supposed to be. It's too slow to be aggro and too weak to be midrange. And what's with the random one and two-ofs? If you want something that wins the short game, cut the 4+ dudes that do nothing to pressure your opponent and replace them with things like Rabblemaster, War-Name Aspirant, Soldier of the Pantheon, etc. If you want to win the long game, cut the low costing dudes that are dead past turn four or five and replace them with heavy hitters like Butcher of the Horde, Wingmate Roc, Stormbreath Dragon, etc.

>> No.35564033


Not saying you didn't, just that most people out there don't.

And 2 copies honestly isn't that big of a deal. In my RW tokens deck I run 4 dictate of heliod, and besides that best you can do is probably trade 1-for-1 with one of my token generator cards. If it's a control deck, it usually isn't necessary to overcommit to the board. The best you have being the ability to maybe 2-for-1 me with 2/60 doesn't scare me too much.

But still, most people don't, and like you showed, even those that do don't run a playset. Elspeth shits on drown all day nigga.

>> No.35565631

It's not really supposed to be a agro deck just a summoning of overwhelming the enemy with creatures and tokens

>> No.35566150

I'm a little bit late but I saw a post where you said you're broke. Here's my standard deck, it works pretty damn well, at least for me.

Monastery Swiftspear x4
Akroan Crusader x4
Foundry Street Denizen x4
Frenzied Goblin x3

Other Shit
Coordinated Assault x4
Magma Jet x4
Titan's Strength x4
Searing Blood x2
Lightning Strike x3
Hammerhand x4
Dragon Mantle x4
Hall of Triumph x2

and 18 mountains.

I can't take credit for this deck, another anon made it, I just picked it up cuz I was broke that week and had most of the cards for it anyway, I ended up paying $4 and it has a damn high win rate on turn 4-6. Sideboard Forge Devils and arced lightnings and you have a recipe for fun and fast

>> No.35566419

Style the flames and rabblemasters

>> No.35566475

I played a deck that was almost a copy of that. It's pretty good.

>> No.35566496

4x Elvish mystic
4x sylvan caryatid
1x setessan tactics
4x boon satyr
1x pharika, god of affliction
4x genisis hydra
4x chord of calling
1x nylea, god of the hunt
1x polokranos
4x courser of kruphix
2x nylea's disciple
1x Eidolon of blossoms
4x arbor colossus
2x Nissa, worldwaker
1x Garruk Apex predator

12x forest
1x urborg
2x llanowar waste
2x temple of malady
2x Nykthos, shrine to nyx

2x drown in sorrow
2x bile blight
4x voyaging satyr
2x setessan tactics
2x doomwake giant
1x pharika, god of affliction
2x murderous cut

Thoughts? I started play tested, but I have had limited variety in decks to face against. The decks I have tested against are Naya walkers, rabblered and Jeskai tempo. I like how my deck does against Naya, and game one against jeskai, but I lose hard to rabble red and jeskai after sideboard. Cards I am thinking of adding are more polokranos (I run one because that's all I have, I am thinking 2 main board and 1+ side). I am also considering hornet queens and hornet nests. Thoughts on those two cards against Jeskai and rabble red? Should I bump nykthos to a three of? Is 4 Chords too many? Is 4 genesis hydra too many?

>> No.35566608

Needs 4 Polukranos main. Less Chord of Calling. Nylea's Disciple to the side. If you are going to splash black add Doomwake Giant and more Eidolon of Blossom. You don't need Garruk main. You need more land and better fixing if you are going to run double black spells in your sideboard. Voyaging Satyr is not a sideboard card. You don't need a second Pharika. Hornet Queen is very good especially with Genesis Hydra. Two of them would be good. Hornet Nest is much worse. 4 Nykthos.

>> No.35567101

Can you explain your thinking for needing more mana fixing, and for 4 nykthos. I was thinking 3 because I don't always get it when I need it, but I feel 4 would be way to often, and any game where I see 2 in the first 10~ cards could be problematic for hitting the curve fast enough to stabilise against the fast decks I have trouble with. For the mana fixing, I was thinking of just moving urborg to two, or maybe just move llanowar to 3. When you say add more of Doomwake and eidolon, to you mean to mainboard or to sideboard? Doomwake is usually just to shut down the rabble red around the point where I want to stabilise, hopefully chording it out if I can.

>> No.35567143

New deck basically followed this deck but with changes because I don't have all cards

>> No.35567160


>> No.35567186

>mana fixing
If you want to reliably cast Drown in Sorrow or Bile Blight you will want more black sources. If you add Doomwakes to the main you will want more black sources too. I would go 4 Temple of Malady 3 Llanowar Waste 1 Urborg.
>add more of Doomwake and eidolon
To the main. G/b devotion is a fairly common deck. It has a constellation sub theme which will allow you to draw extra cards and wipe boards.

I would also cut an Arbor Colossus or 2. I'll make a decklist for you of what I would change in a minute.

>> No.35567300


>> No.35567307

Something like this.

4x Elvish Mystic
4x Sylvan Caryatid
4x Courser of Kruphix
1x Nylea, God of the Hunt
4x Polukranos, World Eater
4x Eidolon of Blossoms
4x Doomwake Giant
2x Arbor Colossus
2x Hornet Queen
4x Genrsis Hydra
2x Nissa, Worldwaker

11x forest
1x urborg
3x Llanowar Wastes
4x temple of Malady
4x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx

3x Drown in Sorrow
2x Bile Blight
2x Setessan Tactics
3x Hero's Downfall
4x Nylea's Disciple

>> No.35567312

I too like to post my list in threads, adding nothing of value

>> No.35567443

Im liking this in playtesting, any suggestions?

4x Courser of Kruphix
4x Elvish Mystic
3x Polukranos, World Eater
3x Prognostic Sphinx
4x Rattleclaw Mystic
4x Sagu Mauler
4x Savage Knuckleblade
2x Stoke the Flames
2x Stubborn Denial
4x Temur Charm
2x Scout the Borders

7x Forest
4x Frontier Bivouac
3x Island
2x Mountain
4x Shivan Reef
4x Yavimaya Coast

2x Anger of the Gods
2x Disdainful Stroke
4x Magma Jet
2x Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
1x Stoke the Flames
4x Voyaging Satyr

>> No.35567567

inb4 Scout the Borders a shit

>> No.35567576

here's my Mardu Aggro deck.

4x Foundry Street Denizen
4x Soldier of the Pantheon
2x Frienzied Goblin
2x War Name Aspariant
4x Akroan Hoplite
4x Goblin Rabblemaster
3x Butcher of the Horde
3x Iroas God of No Blocking

4x Mardu Ascendecy
2x Spear of Heliod
4x Ride Down
2x Crackling Doom (or Utter End)

various fetches, pain lands, and the 4 triple mardu lands.

the "nut draw" would be Foundry first turn, Akroan Hoplite 2nd turn, Mardu Ascendcy or Rabble Master 3rd turn, and Iroas or Butcher 4th turn.

2nd turn is 2 damage
3rd turn is 10 damage (hoplite goes to 5, foundry to 3, and the two tokens)
and 4th turn is game, and then some.

>> No.35567629

cont'd and honestly Iroas is retardedly easy to go Active in this deck.

the Hoplites, Ascendecys, Spear of Heliods, and Butchers all give him two devotion, meaning I see a turn 4 active Iroas very often, and it very much means "you have removal or the game is over"

and Bile blight and Drown and Anger of the gods will not help you with Mardu Ascendcy on the field, sure Iroas will go back to sleep, but im going to be swinging in with basically 10 more unblockable damage next turn.

>> No.35567630

The curve for the main deck seems very top heavy. The middle looks unreliable, eidolons dont do a lot when they come out and if you can't get a a lot enchantments to follow they don't do anything. At 4 mana they come out around the time sweepers like anger start to be a real problem, casting it means devoting to the field that only pays off if you get the follow up. Why 0 boon satyrs? They don't get you a lot of card draw, but are a lot more reliable follow up to eidolons or doomwakes. Also 0 chords, I like being able to reliably get Nylea out to give my guys trample against things like Elspeth and xenagos which protect themselves too well and end up taking over the game with tokens.

>> No.35567935

pharika a shit
more eidolons
your curve is too high
stop putting 1 ofs in a deck

>> No.35567981


>> No.35568827

My Abzan decklist. I want it to be aggressive, but something just doesn't feel right about it. I can't put my finger on it.

Creature (24)
3x Bloodsoaked Champion
2x Boon Satyr
4x Fleecemane Lion
2x Master of the Feast
4x Rakshasa Deathdealer
4x Siege Rhino
3x Soldier of the Pantheon
2x Sunblade Elf
Land (24)
4x Caves of Koilos
3x Forest
4x Llanowar Wastes
4x Mana Confluence
3x Plains
1x Swamp
2x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3x Windswept Heath
Instant (9)
3x Abzan Charm
4x Hero's Downfall
2x Utter End

Any suggestions welcome.

>> No.35569136

This is a midrange format and aside form master of the feast, you have no way of getting over their guys. Not to mention your curve is around 3 right when abzan midrange kicks in.
Try that one bestow guy that gives +3+3 flying and -1 life a turn

>> No.35569352

how do I make this really aggressive?

>> No.35569583

Go green/white/red
Cut out black
>4 soldier of the pantheon
>4 sunblade elf
>4 fleecemane lion
>4 Rabblemaster
>4 stormbreath
>3 brimaz

>4 stoke the flames

>2 Nissa Worldwaker
>2 Sarkhan
>3 Xenagos

>> No.35570129

4x Battlewise Hoplite
4x Eidolon of Countless Battles
4x Fabled Hero
4x Favored Hoplite
2x Seeker of the Way
2x Thassa, God of the Sea

4x Feat of Resistance
4x Gods Willing
4x Aqueous Form
2x Ordeal of Heliod
3x Ordeal of Thassa

4x Flooded Strand
5x Island
2x Mana Confluence
8x Plains
4x Temple of Enlightenment

3x Ajani's Presence
4x Banishing Light
4x Dauntless Onslaught
4x Dissolve

Cool WU heroic thing, seems a little slow, but it also seems like my dudes are always either unblockable or double strike

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