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>>33126321
What do you mean by normal SoB? A rank and file Battle Sister?

It's highly dependant on the politics going on outside the battle, the IG regiment and SoB order etc

They're from completely different organisations and neither are in the command tree of the other. So it becomes requests for help, and one may defer to the other if they have more experience.

Basically it's situation dependant and there is no over-arching answer, now like every other vague question on /tg/ we require more information about the scenario and characters involved.

>>33126489
Ok then. Here's the scenario.

>Normal rank and file IG squad finds a rank and file SoB
>SoB's unit is ded.

My question is, for the rest of the mission. Does the SoB either:
>join the squad and has the command role of an average IG trooper.
>Join the squad and have a command role equal/greater than the unit's sergent.
>or does she remain autonomous to the IG squad, acting like a supporting unit.

>>33126607
The last one, most likely

>>33126607
What's the mission? Do both squads have the same objective? If not which squads objective is the more important one?

>>33126321
Most battle sisters are trained how to fight and revere the the emperor and not much else. A sister superior might be able to organize a squad of guardsmen temporarily in the heat of battle, but the combat doctrines are so different that most canonnesses would not be able to make effective use of guardmen organized into anything platoon sized or larger. Similarly, most SoBs are too willful to take direct orders from guard sergeants, except perhaps in the heat of battle, and being around non-sisters really messes up their mojo.

>>33126607

The third one.
She's not a rank-and-file guardsman nor a civilian, but she's also most likely smart enough that trying to take command on no other basis than her working for the church will only end in disgruntled Guardsmen and her getting fragged.

>>33126607
It's doubtful that she would take command but might if the squad's sarge was unable to lead and she had the most battlefield experience. A lone soldier isn't likely to be very effective on her own, so until she has a conflicting mission the sister probably joins up with the squad until she can make her way back to the rest of the sorotias forces.

>>33126645
For the purpose of this scenario. we're going to say that they were both doing patrols out of FOBs

What do you think happens to lone guardsmen who are found by Space Marine squads after their entire unit was massacred?

>>33126664
*smart enough to realize that

Also, what would the SoB gain from taking command? Surely The Emperor's Will will be served just as well, or even better, by the Guardsmen if she doesn't interrupt their work.

>>33126489
>>33126628
>>33126645
>>33126650
>>33126664
>>33126702
Thanks guys, you've been a real help.

>>33126607
so what would spess do?

>>33126704
So she most likely either accompanies the guardsmen back to friendly lines in order to get the bodies of her squad (and their weapons and armour) removed from the battlefield. Or she requests the guardsmen radio in a message for her superiors to do the same.

Assuming neither party is particularly dickish they work alongside one another, and work on using request/respect to each get their tasks accomplished quickly and efficiently.

>>33126749
May I ask what you needed the information for? Are you writing a story?

>>33126783
Only war scenario. Guardsmen unit is half NPC. PCs are the heavy weapons guy, sniper, demo guy a vehicle operator/normal IG. And finally a R&F guardsman.

I would write a story, but alas I am not good at it.

She doesn't take command and she doesn't take orders.

But the IG squad would probably end up doing what she wants believing she is in charge kind of like if they found a lost Space Marine.

>>33126607
That looks like it would be hashed out between the SoB and the Sargent.

>>33127113
Probably. The Sergeant probably wouldn't call off the whole mission just to do what the SoB want, but he would probably also help her if it doesn't jeopardize the mission (and if he's not a complete asshole).

Also, it depends a lot on what the SoB wants to do. If she wants help to get back through enemy lines a couple of kilometers away and has important intel, then I think the IG's will listen to her. If she wants them as meatshields to kill a deamon, then cooperation is much less likely.

>>33126940
>lost Space Marine

Emperor have mercy on those poor bastards' souls...

>>33126752

Obviously ignore the guardsmen because they are weak, useless, and corruptible.

>>33126940
SM are commonly addressed as "Lord", but how do you address a SoB? "Ma'am"? Lady doesn't feel right.

>>33127256
>Lady doesn't feel right
How? It's just the equivalent of Lord.

>>33126752
Try to boss the puny Guardsmen around and ruin their mission just so he can maintain "muh honour!". But that's because Space Marines are huge dicks with much bigger egos than anyone else.

>>33127256

"Sister" is a perfectly valid address, if a bit generic. Her exact Sororitas rank, if the speaker can identify it, is better. In a pinch, "Lady" is a correct address as well.

>>33127256
Your Holiness? They are like Nuns.

>>33127311

That is actually reserved to Cardinals and high-ranking priests. Despite the respect they command, the Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas do not reach such an exalted rank within the Ecclesiarchy, for it would clash with their primary mission of service by tempting them with earthly power.

>>33127256
"Sister" would work, just you would if you met a real world nun you don't know. When they know her name "Sister [whatever]" would be fine. Feudal-planet guardsman might call her Lady because they assume she's nobility from the swanky armour, weapons and full set of teeth. "Lady" is probably the generic term for woman who outranks you anyway, but their might be cultural specific ones depending on the regiment

>>33127278
Yeah, but it sounds kinda frail to me. Of course, it probably wouldn't if I lived in a society where the title can refer to combat nuns in power armour, for course.

>>33127300
Nobody who isn't a Space Marine himself would ever call one Brother, though. So would the SoB think you're disrespectful if you call her Sister without being her peer?

>>33127282
Lore-wise a single Space Marine is worth hundred or so guardsmen, so w/e.

>>33127401

That depends, actually. There are Space Marines who actually prefer to be referred to as "Brother-(insert rank if ranked) (name)" rather than "Lord (name)".

This being said, there are also "cultural" differences between the two organisations. Sisters see themselves as the humblest and most faithful servants of the Emperor, and are often pretty humble. Space Marines see themselves as the Defenders of Humanity, and often demand the respect that duty deserves from anyone around them.

Lady seems a little over the top, unless the guardsmen are particularly feral. I'd say Sister or Ma'am, and Ma'am would probably be used as a form of respect rather than an actual difference in ranking.

>>33127401
I doubt it. Space Marines are distant relatives of the Emperor through their primarchs, so in a snese they are both literal angels of death and nobles of the Imperium. A Sister is a mortal woman who has a calling to follow the God-Emperor, and while she's worthy of immense respect, unless she's a heroic or explicitly sanctified figure she isn't anywhere near Marine (unless, again, the guardsman are especially devout). Same deal with clerics and some techpriests being called brother, basically, although you might call a cogboy "Adept" instead.

>>33127556
Yeah, Lady just makes it seem sarcastic. "I'll follow your orders, lady." "At once, lady." Yeah...

>>33127597
m'lady would be more sarcastic, but I'd imagine the usual term would be sister.

>>33126650
Just want to point out that a standard Battle Sister was also trained to potentially serve as a Hospitaller, Dialogus or Famolus as a novice so they usually are way more skilled than a typical IG grunt.

>>33126321
So basically a Dom Sob who whips pussy ass spess mareenes into shape via vaginal motivation.

Then she makes them belive she's a daemonette to test them on loyalty and purging and shit and reveals and then spess mareens love her more for being so kind and pure.

>>33127282
>im-fucking-plying

>>33128152
>space marine with IG from his homeworld
They would never be against his decisions. Try something like a space wolf with a group of cadians.

>>33128467
Space Wolves command quite a bit of respect from common soldiers, usually after some spess-level feat of arms in their defense. It's sort of a theme in their fluff.

>>33128534
>meanwhile at the shoulderpad competition

>>33128544
Don't dis the pauldrons.

>>33128534
Eh ? Some respect maybe. But there is also the huge fear level , the desire of the wolves to act on their own and their disregard for regular humans.

>>33128467
Any Space Marine would just respected into commanding.
Plus, who are you going to follow? The guy who's been fighting monstrosities of all kind since before your great-grandfather was born or that one sergeant who burst into treats when he saw a tyranid up close?

>>33128569
That weird thing the non-SM in panel three is
wearing is kinda hideous, though.

But I have a weakness for those pauldrons carved with words all over.

>>33128577
>Some respect maybe
No, like, monumental levels of respect. They're considered heroes of the common man. Most space marines are.

>>33128534
I like how one of the soldiers literally has a flashlight attached to his pauldron.

>>33128534
sorry all i can see in that last panel is "Shit nigga we dont roll that way."

>>33128645
He's an inquisitor. They get a pass on looking stupid. The art in the comic is pretty janky though

>>33127343
isn't it mamzel, as far as 40k lingo goes, instead of lady

>>33128653
I will refer to Prosper burns here(yes HH series , kill me).
The guard there hated the interference of the wolves. They called for space marine help but once they realized the space wolves were the closest ally almost cut the message.
Wolves had a pretty bad reputation there. Full disregard for human commanders, their pride and previously lost battles the guard wanted to make amends for. Butchering enemies to unidentifiable pulps of flesh.
At least in the HH series they are refered to as the executioners of the emperor and are hinted to be responsible for taking out the 2 mystery legions.
Guard fear them more than the rest. But then again in some books that is the opposite.

>>33128771
>prospero burns
>HH/30k wolves
>in any way similar to 40k wolves

>>33128707
True, when you're an inquisitor or Rogue Trader you can basically wear whatever the fuck you want and get away with it, since nobody dares
tell you it's tacky.

Which explains a LOT of the costume designs in this setting.

>>33128707
>last panel
...isn't that the constantly furious teacher from Daria?

>BT gets separated from unit
>Guardsman squad
>Sergeant defers command
>Come upon chaos space marine squad in ritual with cultists
>They have the high ground, a covered position, and the element of surprise
>"Affix bayonets"

Comes down to politics, priorities in the given scenario and who's most insistant when saying "Not anymore you're not!"

So basically this but with IG, SM, IN, Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy and Admech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=risVoGLlru0

>>33128798
How do the wolves change over that period ?

>>33128910
More drinking

>>33126729
They are taken in as the squad's mascot and serve as comic relief

>>33128771
You also have to keep in mind that Abnett has admitted to not liking the Space Wolves. According to his blog, he thinks they and their whole schtick are silly.

In the 40k fluff, all the way back to 2nd edition, the Space Wolves are one of the most loved chapters. At least by regular people.
Yes, high ranking people dislike or even hate them, but only because the Wolves aren't afraid to call them out for being fucking assholes.

Logan Grimnar's rule that gives nearby SWs +1 attack used to give +1 attack to ALL friendly models, even allies not in his chapter.

>>33126729

See for yourself! (1/7)

>>33128958

(2/7)

>>33126729
Most likely the SM just ignore him since he probably can't even keep their pace

>>33128969

(3/7)

>>33128981

(4/7)

>>33128958
>Sleeveless uniform but with bigger pauldrons.

Is he from the American Gladiators planet or something?

>>33128998

(5/7)

>>33129017
Holy fucking shit those pauldrons.

>>33129017

(6/7)

>>33129032

(7/7)

So the answer is: BAIT!

>>33129002
No idea.

>>33129032
Yeah, old art is old and wonky!

>>33129029
It's like twice as much pauldron as normal. It's hilarious.

>>33128467
>let's ignore decades of fighting experience because he's not from our homeworld

>>33128958
I'm really glad someone saved this. I remember ripping and storytiming it a long time ago.

Probably my favorite of the Inferno! run

>>33128939
That's a huge change then. I guess I have to dig up some codexes. Books confuse me even more.

>>33128577
>their disregard for regular humans.
Aren't Space Wolves pretty high tier when it comes to caring about humans? What with the whole Armageddon thing with the motherfuckin Grey Knights.

>>33128939
I do like a lot of Abnett's stuff, but he should remember that chaos space marines dying rom poison needles and a single squad of SM killing thousands of DE is silly too

>>33129069

Yeah, I was happy to find it here, I remembered reading it at my local GW store years ago. Art is a bit off, but it shows clearly how ruthless Space Marines can be in order to purge xenos.

>>33129058
>>33129105
I take my knowledge out of a few HH books and it applies to 30k mostly. As you can see earlier in the thread the anons explained things better in terms of 40k.

>>33129069
I liked the one about a squad of termies going in a space hulk, with the sergeant having a death wish...can it be found anywhere?

>>33129135
Yeah.

>>33129164

>>33129164
Great

>>33129193

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>>33129231

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>>33129262
Reminds me I have a squad of terminators to put together. And some genestealers to paint..

Fuck this heat

>>33129273

>>33129290
and fin

>>33129307
Thanks dude

>>33129322
No problem, m80

Here's something for the guard fans.

>>33129341

>>33129373

>>33129396
this only really appeals to a niche crowd, I imagine. But whatever.

>>33129422

>>33129447

>>33129472
And done. I really liked Inferno!

>>33129341
It's like Osprey and GW had a baby. And that's awesome.

>>33129422
I at least am in that niche then.

>>33129032

>>33129002
Looks la GI from RA2.

>>33129507
GW were pretty big fans of that stuff. Part of why I love them so much.

>>33129520
Right on, brother. I only wish I had higher resolution scans for a few of the books.

>>33129578
I'm still convinced that the whole reason why we have Preatorians, Mordians and pretty much all the other pseudo-historic Imperial Guardsmen are because of the Perry twins. Being into history is one thing, literally losing an arm in an reenactment and still turn your house into a museum is something else.

And I love them for that.

>>33129633
Definitely, considering they sculpted most of them. However I wouldn't go so far as to say they were the entire reason, since nerds making wargames in the seventies and eighties would pretty much universally be into history.

>>33129551
>RA2

Nostalgia.

>>33129749
Okay, so maybe they weren't the only reason. But I'm sure that they were the ones who came up with Praetorians.

>>33128910
In 30k the Wolves were basically replacement World Eaters and used for their unnecessary brutality, being called to censure army regiments and other legions alike. In 40k they use similar tactics but have chilled the fuck out, and have a rivalry with the big =][=, the least popular organization in the Imperium.

>>33129895
That and AoE2 are the two games I have been playing consistently for the longest time. Ever since they came out til earlier this year, will probably reinstall RA2 again soon.

>>33129578
I love how the space tank hits 25 kmph when an abrams can go at 67 kmph without breaking a sweat.

>>33129307
I think "SCRREEEEE" is going to be what I yell as I orgasm from now on

>>33130116

WW2 tanks, bro... That's what they are. Goofy WW2 heavy tanks/SPG's

>>33130116
It's a space tank, it ain't gotta explain shit. My favorite bits of fluff are when the things survive nuclear blasts and similar hilariously over the top nonsense (land raiders on the sea floor is a good one).

Anyways, I'm going to dump another comic.

>>33130134
No joke: I've actually screamed FOR THE EMPEROR when orgasming. Luckily my girlfriend at the time was also a member of my DH group, so I didn't get hit or anything.

>>33130171

>>33130193

>>33130214

>>33130185
THE EMPEROR'S WORK IS NEVER DONE

>>33130233

>>33130246

>>33130171
>You will never die while a Vindicare is pressing his junk against the back for your head

Feels bad, man.

>>33130264

>>33130289
and done.

>>33130319
>Mission almost FUBAR'ed.
>"Nah, piece of cake!"

Imperial Assassins: doing the impossible, all day, e'rry day!

>>33130347
balloon fighting heavy interceptors is perfectly normal what are you talking about

>>33130347
>987.M41 A Hundred, Hundred Teef

>Waaagh! Ozdakka rampages through the Helshrike Systems, millions of Orks led by the legendary Bad Moon Boss of Bosses Ozdakka. Such is the utter destruction wrought by the Waaagh!, entire worlds being smashed to scrap and dragged off into the stars by the unstoppable Orks, that the Adeptus Terra dispatches a Vindicare Assassin to take out Ozdakka and his most powerful Nobz. Brutally effective, the nameless assassin stalks the battlefields of Helshrike, sniping Orks from the shadows and taking a terrible toll on Ozdakka’s bosses. In a fit of rage, the Warboss offers a hundred, hundred teef – more than most Orks can comprehend – for the head of the unseen killer. As word spreads of the bounty, even more Orks flock to Ozdakka’s banner and his Waaagh! swells until it is even larger than ever. However, the Warboss does not live to enjoy the destruction he has wrought upon the Helshrike Sector, the assassin’s final shot taking Ozdakka’s head from his shoulders before the Imperial agent is overwhelmed by a mob of Bad Moons intent on claiming the immense prize.

Yep.

>>33130185
>For the Emperor
>While empowering Slaneesh

Confirmed for infiltrated cult of pleasure.

>>33130411
She asked me to lick her asshole during sex a couple of times, so yeah, most likely a Slaanesh cultist.

>>33130507
Or Nurgle.

>>33130702
Nurgle cultists wouldn't wipe first.

>>33130319
Another anon here with another tale

>>33130884

>>33130921
Also, Imperial Assasin's Creed would totally be a cool game or mod.
Just saying.

>>33130411
>creating more humans for the Emperor's service

>somehow considered heresy

>yougonnagetburned.jpg

>>33131007
This was a blowjob, so no new humans were created. I'm a filthy heretical scum, sorry.

>>33128613

>burst into treats

I can't get this image out of my head now.

>>33131507
"I'm so scared! I could...I could...*BOOM*"
>confetti and tootsi rolls.

>>33130884
>>33130921
Why would you waste an Eversor like that if you already had an agent on location?

>>33130946
Assassin's Creed style gameplay only really works for Callidus and maybe Venenum.

>>33131740
and vindicare maybe