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I have been reading Horus Heresy thanks to my library getting the first book and its pretty fucking radical. Can we have a Warhammer 40k General going? What did you guys think of the series?

>> No.31391456

>>31391190
I can post some art if anyone has requests to get the thread started?

>> No.31391624

>>31391456

>> No.31391735

One thing that really surprised me was how Human the Marines used to be.

>> No.31392272

I'm reading through the Damocles anthology right now. Pretty interesting.

I cheered out loud when the Imperial Knight burst out of hiding and gutted one of the Tau Riptides with its chainsword

>> No.31392318

>>31392272
>Damocles anthology
Is that part of the Horus Heresy series or separate?

>> No.31392340

>>31391190

>> No.31392403

>>31392340
what are you trying to imply?

>> No.31392408

>>31392318
Separate. Takes place in current wh40k timeline

>> No.31392432

>>31392403

Keep reading the Horus Heresy series. It will make sense in time.

Matt damon is a perpetual, and he kills Martin Luther King jr. for the alien Cabal that manipulates everything behind the scenes.

>> No.31392450

>>31392408
ah ok. What is it about exactly?

>> No.31392476

>>31392432
If Matt Damon and MLK really show up in this book I will eat my hat...if I had one.

But so far I finished part 2. After the Luna Wolves land on Murder. I liked the story coming from the Emperors Childresn POV I really enjoy them and its nice to have some pre heresy stuff with them

>> No.31392488

>>31392450
Aftermath of the first Damocles Crusade against the Tau.

Concerns primarily Tau invasion of Imperial Worlds in the Damocles Gulf and the White Scars and Ravens Guard Space Marine Chapters who protect said worlds

>> No.31392597

>>31392488
shame how there arent any good books from the POV of The Tau. I find them pretty interesting.

There was a short story I liked though. The Tau conquered an Imperial Planet but the IG stationed there are resisting. Mostly guerrilla tactics such as poison gas and the like. He learns and adapts to them and manages to beat them at their own game with stealth and ambushes.

>> No.31392664

>>31392272
>Reading
>Not listening to the audiobook version

My favorite parts in that event is Aun'Va not giving a fuck and when the Riptide suplexed the Obsidian Knight through a wall.

>> No.31392684

>>31392664
>being a blueberry lover

Shadowsun getting her comeuppance on the Knight World ambush was delicious.

And did she get corrupted by Chaos or what?

>> No.31392717

>>31392664
who did they get to voice that stuff?

>> No.31392751

>>31392488
>Aftermath of the first Damocles Crusade against the Tau.

Aftermath? It's like 300 years more or less after it.

>>31392597
>shame how there arent any good books from the POV of The Tau. I find them pretty interesting.

The Damocles collection is half Tau and half Imperial POV. Also there is a Gue'vesa part.

If you're a Tau fan, the collection is a must get. I recommend grabbing the Shadowsun novel, also. So you get to know her character better.

>> No.31392767

>>31392597
Firecaste is decent. Not mainly tau perspective but there is some in there.

>> No.31392809

>>31392751
well shit I might have to check it out. Thanks


>>31392767
Firecaste? why does that sound familiar

>> No.31392867

>>31392717
>And did she get corrupted by Chaos or what?

My bet is that drinking Emprah juice might have awakened some sort of ability in Shadowsun. Probably made her a psyker, hence why she is hearing the Daemonic whispers.

Maybe not since I remember Kais going through the same thing. Tau who are under extreme stress and in emotional struggle become open to daemonic influences according to the Greater Daemon in ''Fire Warrior''.

>>31392717

I think the Dunn dude. He did all the voices and I do mean ALL the voices.

>> No.31392930

>>31392809
It's not exactly an original name.

>> No.31392963

>>31392867
Dunn dude?


>>31392930
Yeah plus it being the name of the Tau Military doesnt help

though I think I got it confused with Fire Warrior I actually like that game

>> No.31392970

>>31392867
>My bet is that drinking Emprah juice might have awakened some sort of ability in Shadowsun.
wtf am i reading.

Please, please elaborate. Circumstances, everything.

>> No.31393049

>>31392970
I think he means cum

>> No.31393076

>>31393049
don't be silly anon. also, fuck you for just half a second there i was actually considering that as a proper response.

>> No.31393102

>>31393076
If it was something to do with Slaanesh it probably could have been

>> No.31393137

>>31392751
>300 years
>not aftermath

This is Warhammer 40k, people who fought in that crusade would still be alive

>> No.31393156

>>31392867
Drinking WHAT

>> No.31393157 [DELETED] 

>>31392963
Nevermind. Mistook the director for the voice actor.

The actor is John Keble.

>>31392970
In her novel, gets stranded on a shrine world and gets to drink water supposedly blessed by the tears of the Emperor.

She causes her to trip about and see visions and hallucinations.

>> No.31393183

>>31393157
>John Keble
never heard of him.

>> No.31393196

>>31392963
Nevermind. Mistook the director for the voice actor.

The actor is John Keble.

>>31392970
In her novel, She gets stranded on a shrine world and gets to drink water supposedly blessed by the tears of the Emperor.

That causes her to trip about and see visions and hallucinations.

>> No.31393248

>First three books

Fuck awesome. Best part was Horus' monologue while he was bombing Isstavan III. Just wish I could where I put them.

>Flight of the Eisentine

Showed that not all of the Death Guard were jackasses. Nathaniel Garro was a pretty cool guy.

>Fulgrim

Loved seeing how the Emp's children went from being perfectionists to psychopathic hedonists. Best part was the Drop site massacre and the chapter before it where the

>Descent of Angels

It was okay. Ending kinda confused me though.

>Legion

Eh. Seemed like a lot of shit to keep track of. Plus it had a focus on human characters, and there were a cubic shit ton of them. Plus it introduced the Cabal and Grammaticus

>The First Heretic

Showed the Word Bearers in a more sympathetic light. Plus Argel Tal was a bro.

>> No.31393259

>>31392963
Fire Warrior was like a Roger Corman movie. It's terrible, a game made on a budget of 5 bucks and yet...strangely endearing in its cheesy bad attempts to emulate the triple A FPS formula. And the voice acting that included Tom Baker, BRIAN BLESSED and Sean Pertwee as the crazy governor made it much more entertaining than it had any right to be.

The book is just straight up awesome. Blue Rambo has enough built-in crazy and daddy issues to be a primarch. It's actually not a bad place to get into 40K either, since it's written from a tau perspective it means that as the book introduces them to stuff about the Imperium and its military and the Chaos forces, you get the same first brushes of ow things work in 40K.

>> No.31393316

>>31393156
This

>On this spot,
>in the year of our Lord and Saviour 970.M30,

>THE IMMORTAL EMPEROR OF MANKIND

>and his Great Crusade touched down upon the surface of Diepr-3.

>And when He beheld the verdant beauty of this world, He wept; and His tears fell into the waters of these lakes and made them Holy.

>Blessed be those who partake of this water, for they shall gain strength and insight if they so need it.

>And blessed be those to whom the Emperor hath entrusted this world.

-From ''Shadowsun'' novel


The Emperor confirmed as a hippie?

>> No.31393367

>>31393248
>Loved seeing how the Emp's children went from being perfectionists to psychopathic hedonists
yeah that was a good book.

Saul Tarvitz is so far my favourtite HH character, minus stuff like primarchs. Ofcourse he is 99.999999999% certainly dead. Fucking shit.

>> No.31393441

>>31393316
>The Emperor confirmed as a hippie?
you deserve a slap.

>> No.31393455

>>31393248
now I have a question
I have Horus Rising and it is split into 3 parts. Are they 3 books?


Cant wait to get to Fulgrim though I was always a fan of him.

>>31393259
theres a book of Fire Warrior? is it different from the game?

>> No.31393464

>>31393316
Thought you meant his dick milk

>> No.31393485

>>31393367
>Saul Tarvitz
I only know him from Murder but yeah hes one of my favorites. I was always a fan of the Ultra Polite bad asses.
like Jin from Samurai Champloo.

>> No.31393516

>>31393455
>is it different from the game?

Yep.

Th story in it is more plausible and believable than the game but still badass.

>> No.31393570

>>31393516
well shit I should read it then.
one thing the game did right where the Bolters.
And fighting Chaos Marines gave me nightmares as a kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMjpxOBRZvI

>> No.31393592

>>31393455
it follows the plot loosely, but it gives you more perspective from Captain Ardias and the tau characters. It's actually really good at selling the occasional page or two of POV from some minor character who ends up getting shot in the gut or dropped off a cliff. Si Spurrier was really good at getting into character's heads and showing moments of insanity, I wish he'd stayed with BL longer.

>> No.31393623

>>31393441
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA

Hey, the dude cried because he saw a double rainbow. What should I call him?

>> No.31393695

>>31393455

Horus Rising has three sections, split into different war zones if I recall correctly. The first three books are "Horus Rising," "False Gods," and "Galaxy in Flames."

>> No.31393751

>>31393695
ah then so far I only have read Horus Rising.
like I said its pretty great so far. I can already see bits and pieces and how they would grow. Like the Warrior Lodge probably becoming a Chaos Cult of somekind.

>> No.31393873

>>31392476
>>31392432
Just got finished reading that book, it's completely fucking true.

The character's name is Damon, he has the same physical description, mannerisms, and way of speaking as Matt fucking Damon from the Bourne series. I'm not fucking kidding, it's ridiculous. Also, Horus spent time in a Hyperbolic Time Chamber with the Chaos Gods playing war games

>> No.31393916

>>31393873

>> No.31393954

>>31393873
Yes yes, we know BL's Horus Heresy is trash.

>> No.31393995

>>31393954

I think they just make shit up as they go along to see how far they can take it

>> No.31394125

>>31393954
>>31393995
I honestly dont mind it. I dig how silly the fluff can get sometimes.

>> No.31394611

So do we get an indepth look at every Primarch? I hope so

>> No.31394656

>>31394125
There's silly
and there's oh shit nigger, what are you doing.

>> No.31394721

>>31394656
I know but having Matt Damon in it is not really gamebreaking

>> No.31394790

>>31394721
Not by itself.
But having Matt Damon in it as a super immortal assassin killing MLK Jr. on the orders of an alien cabal to start a race war to destroy the human race, is "oh shit nigger, what are you doing."

It got there at "assassinating MLK Jr. on the orders of an alien cabal".

>> No.31394813

>>31392432
>implying MLK is/was the only good man in Memphis

As a resident of Memphis, I am truly offended by your implication.

>> No.31394844

>>31394813
He's the only good man who got his ass shot in Memphis worth mentioning.

>> No.31394846

>>31394611
>So do we get an indepth look at every Primarch?

Haha. You'll get 'the main character of this book is a weepy misunderstood manbabby who just wanted to spread his wings but everyone else was a big dumb meanyhead to him' and like it.

>> No.31394866

>>31394790
You have a point.
still I would like to read this trainwreck.

>>31394846
how do you mean?

>> No.31394890

>>31394790
>But having Matt Damon in it as a super immortal assassin killing MLK Jr. on the orders of an alien cabal to start a race war to destroy the human race

sounds cool as hell, to me at least. There are no brakes on the silly train.

>> No.31394975

>>31392751
Did you notice that the White Scars were big ol' retards in that book?

Also stop eating xenos, that can't be good for you

>> No.31395028

>>31394890
>silly train
ha! I like it!

>> No.31395109

>>31394866
>how do you mean?
I mean exactly what I say. The further you go into the Horus Heresy the more things devolve to stricken manchildren who cry into their soup because they wanted daddy's approval and the world is so mean. The HH series is basically 40K on tumblr, that is when it's not busy being about the adventures of John Grammaticus and Kaspar Hawser and their immortal pals who actually did everything important but you never heard of and occasionally remembering oh yeah, there's a primarch or something too..

>> No.31395182

>>31395109
lol well I guess I will have to read and find out. But considering this is a Space Opera I have to expect some Melodrama

>> No.31395242

>>31394975
>Did you notice that the White Scars were big ol' retards in that book?

Their sense of honor and their free spirits do lead them into situations where they do appear as dumbasses. Especially in the audiobook ''Shape of the Hunt'' which follows the aftermath of the battle on the Knight world. Without the Raven Guard around to carry and lead the Imperial forces, things would have been even worse.

However, the older White Scar (Shemkar?) was one of my favorite characters in the novel.

>Also stop eating xenos, that can't be good for you

But look at that delicious meat on that thing. Dontcha wanna bite?

>> No.31395289

>>31394813

>As a resident of Memphis

As a resident of Tennessee, I'm sorry.

>> No.31395291

What Audibooks are actually worth listening too? Like the guy reading them actually gets the story and not just reading it as a job.

is there somewhere to get them for free?

>> No.31395354

>>31395291
Veil of Darkness

Howl of the Banshee

>http://kickass.to/user/BranStark/uploads/

>> No.31395417

>>31395354
>dat page
well shit guess I am gonna bookmark the shit outta that

and why recommend those ones?

>> No.31395472

>>31395417
Cato heroics and Necron shenanigans

Cute Irish banshees

>> No.31395503

>>31395472
>Cute Irish banshees
wut

>> No.31395520

>>31395503

Howling Banshees all talk like they straight outta dublin

>> No.31395537

>>31395520
you're going to have to give an example.

>> No.31395562

how big are audiobooks anyway? I dont have a lot of room on my PC
>>31395520
I am guessing the actor was Irish?

>>31395537
also this

>> No.31395601

>>31395537
>http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/howl-of-the-banshee-mp3.html

Play the excerpt.

>> No.31395617

>>31395601

Fiddledy-dee potatos, autarch!

>> No.31395620

I got into the whole 40k thing like, a month or two ago (thanks to the faggots that spam the board all day every day with their shit) and last night I almost finished "Fulgrim". I'm liking it so much that I'm starting to write lyrics for my band based around the themes the series touches (about travelling the warp, at the moment). I only need to convince the other guys to get into it as well.

>> No.31395675

>>31395601
>absolutely no use of kenning
>repeatedly naming units by their full names.
God, its like it was written by a retard.

Dem accents though....

>> No.31395716

>>31395620
its pretty great right? It is epic in scope and both at the same time a really good sci fi universe and also just balls to the wall insane and over the top. Its really cool.

and speaking of Warhammer bands. You should check out Bolt Thrower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL19beIJSE0

>> No.31395768

>>31395617
oh fuck you. That made me laugh

>> No.31395799

>>31395601
doesnt say who voices who?

>> No.31395841

I want an Audiobook where this guy plays a Sorcerer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b62RFLvdRk

>> No.31395943

>>31395716
>scope
That's what I like the most about it, the same reason I liked the Silmarillion better than the LotR book: everything is like, really, fucking old, and all that happens does because something happened some time ago, you know, the whole domino effect/chaos theory thing. I really dig that. The oversized swords/hammer thing (and the pauldron fetish), that I can't get into.

>> No.31395975

>>31395943
>The oversized swords/hammer thing (and the pauldron fetish), that I can't get into
Now I love that bullshit. Its so rediculous. Everything in this universe is Larger then life.

I also really like how everyones mindset are stuck in the dark ages but they have created ways of destroying planets and inter-dimensional flight.

>> No.31396260

>>31395975

Actually, that technology is thousand years old and the dark age dudes barely know how it works.

>> No.31396306

>>31396260
thats even better right? I just meant how this is basically crusade era europe. Which fucking lasers and Power armor.

>> No.31396338

>>31396306

Yeah, man. I agree with you.

They not knowing how it works just made it better to me. I love the "everything is crumbling down and if something breaks we are all doomed because knowing how to fix it is heresy" thing. I mean, their ships look like castles and even tough it's all super technology, they look like ancient relics.

>> No.31396381

>>31396338
it nails the Sci Fi gothic tone very well. And how its basically Warhammer Fantasy in space.
Man those ships look so cool.

>> No.31398252

>>31395620
I don't think "travelling the warp" is a theme

Also unless your band is metal it won't fit

>> No.31398286

>Things I hate
Tau talking shit
>Things I love
Tau getting their ass beat

>> No.31398336

>>31396381

Holy shit what am I reading? You realize BL is the epitome of shit sci-fi writing?

>> No.31398356

>>31398286
>hating Tau
EAT PLASMA FIRE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61diqy_v-o

>>31398336
Its entertaining and most of the time nails the tone of Warhammer very well.

>> No.31398403

>>31398356
Tau are children and have no knowledge of anything beyond their borders.

Its ironic that their Greater Good isn't actually for the greater good, while the Imperium is

>> No.31398447

>>31395109
Fuck off. You're the same kind of assholes who 12 years ago were bitching incessantly about, "There's too many skulls, it makes no fucking sense!"

>> No.31398474

>>31398447
>too many Skulls
>Warhammer
how is that possible?

>> No.31398514

>>31398474
Go look through the wayback machine of 40k forums back in 02-03. It was all over the place.

>> No.31398549

>>31398403

Tau are still this technological behemoth. Their standard infantry have fucking plasma weapons in the lore, the Imperium can't even make them shits except on one or two Forge Worlds.

>> No.31398597

>>31398514
thats why I love Warhammer. Its gothic as shit. Almost to the point of Parody

>> No.31398618

>>31395943
Pauldrons and chain swords have been perfectly explained. You want to know why there's such a focus on power armor and melee? Orks.

Orks were the single most common foe of the Great Crusade by a mile. And even in current 40k, they remain one of, if not the most common enemy space marines face. So what are you going to do with an enemy that is innately driven to get into close combat with you and outnumbers you a million to one? It does not matter who you are, sooner or later you will be in melee with orks, so you better fucking have the gear and training to deal with it.

As for the pauldrons, real world pauldrons are made for only blocking sword blows. Astartes pauldrons have to act as cover from projectiles as well.

>> No.31398621

The new ones kinda blow I liked Unremebered empire for the Hamlet references and primarch banter but other than the last 5 news have kinda sucked. I switched to space marine battles.

>> No.31398649

>>31398621
Have you read Death of Integrity? Shit was awesome.

>> No.31398668

>>31391190
Which one on the picture is Angron?

>> No.31398693

>>31398668
fourth from the left.

>> No.31398703

>>31398549
OK? They are still retarded

>> No.31398710

>>31398693
Dude looks unnecessarily pissed.

>> No.31398728

Do Tau have prosthetics?

>> No.31398730

>>31398710
I want you to think about what you just said. Think hard.

>> No.31398733

>>31398710
that's kind of his thing

>> No.31398736

>>31393316

>> No.31398763

>>31398728
yes. Kais gets a new arm at the end of Fire Warrior, and there's an earth caste member in the book with an artificial eye and an artificial hand of his own

>> No.31398837

>>31398703

They aren't, though.

>> No.31398870

>>31398837
They are though. They think psychics are actually using some kind of technology

>> No.31398942

>>31398870

Because they have no psychic link to The Warp. They're almost a race of Blanks, which gives them an edge in 40k-land.

>> No.31398972

>>31398942
Wrong, they aren't like Blanks because they
a) Can't dampen the effect of warp
b) Can be affected by psychic abilities

I'm just waiting for the other boot to drop in their human enclaves when they get a full blown Chaos infestation

>> No.31399033

>>31398972

They've fought Chaos before, and they've become well-adapted to the standard 40k solution to threats: Shoot it until it isn't a threat anymore.

>> No.31399289

>>31398972
Shadowsun's armor is corrupted by chaos.

She thinks it's a glitch her armor that is turning her paranoid and over aggressive

>> No.31399333

>>31399289
Is Farsight's Chronophage blade of chaos origin?

>> No.31399352

>>31399333
I am super sure thats the case

>> No.31399366

>>31399333
It sounds like necron bullshit to me.

>> No.31399398

if everyones gonna talk about Tau. They should post some Tau art

>> No.31399580

>>31399398
Fuck Tau.

>> No.31399618

>>31399580
oh thats mean....chaos cultists are cool too

>> No.31399808 [SPOILER] 

>>31399580
Tau are pretty cool

>> No.31400051

>>31399618
>>31399808
Never been fond of xenos. Humans look hilariously incompetent when they do something wrong. Xenos are just freekin retarded. Eldar with their self fulfilling prophecy nonsense and Tau with their dishonest communism.

>> No.31400142

>>31398972
We'll call it the Chaotic Good

>> No.31400189

>>31398403
The Greater Good stands for the benefit even of humans, and they go out of their way to spare humans they are fighting: contrariwise, the Imperium stands for genociding fucking everyone that isn't one of them and anyone who refuses to be a slave. In that respect, there's little difference between the Imperium and khornates, oldcrons, tyranids, and so forth.

>> No.31400227

>>31400189
You need to read a little more into what they do to the humans that join their little empire. Hint: They don't have a lot of kids.

>> No.31400319

The Imperium are basically Space Nazis.
Honestly the Tau are the most tolerant of all the races. Sure they can do some fucked up stuff and their Diplomacy is little more then "Join us or die" but compared to everyone else? They are pretty cool.

>> No.31400533

>>31400319
The Imperium wasn't always so bad. Unfortunately, the same thing happened to it as what happens to every good thing humans ever do. People who think they are important fuck it all up.

On that note, has anyone fought any Crusade-era campaigns?

>> No.31400584

>>31400533
>The Imperium wasn't always so bad.
when was that?

>> No.31400704

>>31400584
The Great Crusade. When religious nutballs were burned in their own churches and the scientific method was almost rediscovered. Seriously though, the first few Heresy books gave you a pretty good idea of how things in the Imperium worked. Even a freshly conquered world had things better off than some loyal worlds in 40k.

>> No.31400745

>>31400704
they were still super shitty. They forced atheism on every intelligent world they came across and were still super racist against aliens.

>> No.31400765

>>31400319
it all depends on where ya go in the Imperium.

Ultramar is actually a pretty swell place to live.
of course that is the exception rather than the rule.

Tau space is space best Korea. so whether thats better than space nazi germany i guess is really a matter of opinion.

>> No.31400797

>>31400765
depends. North Korea or South Korea

>> No.31400875

>>31400745
You are implying atheism and xenocide are bad things. Im ok when keep their imaginary friends to themselves, less so when they tell people they are going to a place of eternal fire because they don't pay tribute to the same imaginary friend in the identical way.

>> No.31400958

>>31400875
>You are implying atheism and xenocide are bad things.
Atheism no. But you cant go around forcing it on other people.
Xenocide yeah is pretty shitty. Especially if you are the ones that landed in their back yard.

>> No.31400966

>>31400797
what part of BEST Korea is confusing you?

>> No.31401014

>>31400966
anyway
Nazis are dicks

>> No.31401168

>>31400958
Honestly, I don't think the xenocide was a goal of the crusade. The main goal was to reunite humanity across the galaxy. Problem is, xenos have been raping and pillaging the humans for thousands of years at that point. Tends to breed a bit of racial hatred. So when the expeditionary fleets found the human rape gulags, they liberated them by blasting every knife ear and fungus fucker within 80 AUs. Perfectly reasonable reaction.

>> No.31401238

>>31401014
only to certain people.

much like the imperium. so long as you're human and worshiping the God-Emperor you've got nothing to worry about.

ya know except for the thousands of enemies the imperium has constantly attacking it from all sides.
and the various internal threats that your planet might face. but that's just splitting hairs.

>> No.31401262

>>31401168
well yeah. But when they land on Murder and they are surprised when aliens attack them after just drop podding onto their planet un announced? And they are the ones that get mad? Kind of a douche thing to do.

>> No.31401286

>>31400958
>>31400875
See, but this is a Universe where gods actually exist. This alone might make you think I am supporting the religious point of view but this is not the case. The key component of the 40K universe that made the Imperial Creed necessary is that all of these gods are evil. They want the consumption of the material universe and nothing else, and will do and promise anything to achieve this end. These immensely powerful gods are fed by the intense feelings and worship of anything. Therefore, the only way to truly defeat them is to starve them. in order to do so there must be no belief, except for that of in Humanity itself

That said, I play a Munistorum priest or Chaplain in every rpg I play

>> No.31401326

>>31401286
Dont get me wrong. I totally understand the internal logic of this universe. But if I was a random person? It would be hard to justify murdering people for believing in something different.

>> No.31401475

>>31391190
Stay enthusiastic and optimistic. Focus on the fun. Don't let tg turn you into a joyless prick to doesn't want anyone to have to have any fun.

>> No.31401483

>>31401326
But once you get to this point in universe explanation, you've already had to wade through rivers of suspended disbelief.

If you mean in-universe, the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in existence, using his monumental power to make himself physically and mentally the most perfect being anyone has ever seen. During the Great Crusade he put even the Primarchs to shame by bringing a planet to compliance simply by teleporting down and appearing before its leaders and the masses. It's like being 3 and looking up to your father, believing anything he says. The appearance of the legions alone and level of technology, along with iterators, would make you think the Imperium must be right about something

>> No.31401502

>>31392476
Just brace for some stupid shit when it comes to Abnett's books.

>> No.31401523

>>31392340
Dude. Stop making every 40k thread about Unremembered Empire.

>> No.31401524

>>31401483
I suppose. I am just trying to look at things objectively...that may be the wrong word actually.

>>31401502
What do you mean? I like Abnett

>> No.31401648

>>31401262
The Megaracnids were animalistic nightmares. They weren't surprised they were attacked, they were more weirded out by the funky signals.

>>31401286
How are the chaos gods different from the ones in our world? Other than actually existing.

>>31401326
Im mostly just being antagonistic about the whole religion thing but it really wasn't that bad. Big E didn't like religion because of the negative actions people performed in the name of their imaginary friend. While he did remove as much religious material as he could, he never targeted the people to my knowledge. There was a great little HH story, The Last Church on Terra, I think. Check it out, its pretty good.

>> No.31401697

>>31401648
>The Megaracnids were animalistic nightmares. They weren't surprised they were attacked, they were more weirded out by the funky signals.
still shit would not have been stirred up if they never landed on their planet for no reason.


>There was a great little HH story, The Last Church on Terra, I think.
Is it part of the main series? I plan on reading the whole thing anyway

>> No.31401726

>>31401648
>he never targeted the people to my knowledgehe never targeted the people to my knowledge
The original job of the Ashen Circle was to burn religious texts, religious buildings, religious relics, and religious leaders.

>> No.31401759

>>31393485
Tarvitz is one of a mere handful of decent dudes in the EC.

The EC are the worst bunch of poncey, shallow douchebags. They lie about their accomplishments and can't back up their mouths. It doesn't matter how badass a warrior you are. All you have to do is suck a Lord Commanders dick and you get promoted.

I have no idea why they have so many diehard fanboys.

Pic related. Look at that faggot.

>> No.31401802

>>31401759
>not thinking Fulgrim is a total bad ass.
Look at this guy!

I guess I always liked the Aristocracy cocky elite dudes. They are always fun. And sometimes you get guys like Tarvitz

>> No.31401834

>>31401697
True, they did kick the hornet's nest but that's kinda what expeditions do. The Last Church is in one of the compilation books in the series after everything kicks off but it takes place late in the Unification era. Here, take a linky: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Last_Church

>>31401726
Ashen Circle was with the Word Bearers, weren't they? Not sanctioned by Big E.

>> No.31401854

>>31401834
>. The Last Church is in one of the compilation books in the series after everything kicks off but it takes place late in the Unification era. Here, take a linky: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Last_Church
So when during the timeline should I read this?
or it does not matter?

>> No.31401866

>>31401483
I loved how the FW HH books have been going into that. Corax makes a Word Bearer prostrate himself in awe with his sheer presence despite the Word Bearer having nothing but hate writ large on his face, and Alpharius uses "show up, demand to see the leaders, murder them as they kneel in utter instinctual subjection" as a tactic.

>> No.31401942

>>31401834
Ashen Circle were a thing in the Unification Wars, when they were still called the Iconoclasts.

>> No.31402013

>>31401524
Abnett: the only canon he knows is what he makes up.
What little he does research he dreadfully mistranslates (I.e. Calth).

He buttfucks other writers' plot lines once he gets his grubby hands on them (Unremembered Empire)

He pulls stupid shit out of his ass, tainting the entire setting (the Cabal) and then won't stop bringing it up (Unremembered Empire).

He tries to make astartes something they're not and tries to make them trippy and cool (Prospero Burns)

Honorable mention: he put the goddamn space wolves in S&M masks eating dog food while they hang out in between battles.

A note: I like Dan's novels about the inquisition. He drops the ball when it comes to anything outside of his element, though.

>> No.31402062

>>31401854
The Unification of Terra, before the Great Crusade. It really doesn't matter when you read it, since its probably one of the earliest parts in the series without going into flashbacks and such.

>>31401942
Interesting, Im gonna have to look them up.

>> No.31402106

>>31401802
Fulgrim was a punk. He rewarded sycophants, massacred his own astartes to take a planet faster than necessary, and it only took about 5 minutes for him to fall.

He is unequivocally NOT a badass.

If the EC could back up their talk, I'd not hate them as much,

>> No.31402138

>>31402013
>he put the goddamn space wolves in S&M masks eating dog food while they hang out in between battles.
Sorry?

>> No.31402175

>>31402062
>The Unification of Terra, before the Great Crusade. It really doesn't matter when you read it, since its probably one of the earliest parts in the series without going into flashbacks and such.
huh alright then.
Now was that link the short story or is it an actual book?

>>31402106
I just really like his design and like I said. Super vain elitists are always fun.

>> No.31402183

>>31402013
I like what he did with the Cabal. Its pretty central to the setting if you consider how it influenced Alpha Legion. Pretty much core to Alpha Legion fluff/speculation/mystery/traitor-or-not status.

>> No.31402198

>>31402175
Yes to both. It is a short story in one of the HH books that someone took the time to type up on 1d4chan.

>> No.31402233

>>31402198
well I will bookmark that page to read later.
thanks

>> No.31402314

>>31402138
Prospero Burns. Check it out.

>> No.31402378

>>31402314
I plan too anyway. I plan to read the entire Horus Heresy.

>> No.31402398

>>31402183
He took a lot of liberty with it.

He twisted an entire legion's history on a whim, with something from way out in left field.

It was better when the AL had defected because they wanted to prove the superiority of their tactics.

Not because some aliens told them it would be cool.

>> No.31402436

>>31402183

Luckily FW fixes everything Abnett did fucking up the Alpha Legion

Now they were made to be the Big E's CIA and were only brought into the public light when he started to realize he couldnt control them fully

They did a lot of black ops shit, assassinations, espionage, they were known as the Ghost Legion until they first showed up in public records as the Alpha Legion supporting Imperial Troops on some planet

Not a SINGLE fucking mention of the Cabal, and it is great

>> No.31402442

>>31402378
Enjoy it.

Just explaining why I dislike his decisions.

>> No.31402456

>>31402436
Agreed 100%.

I like them again.

>> No.31402477

>>31402442
fair enough. But thats going to be a problem when a bunch of writers work on such a huge franchise. A lot like comic books really.

>> No.31402486

>>31402456

They're no longer a joke anymore, you have no idea how happy I was at that.

Based forgeworld

>> No.31402497

So are the Videogames cannon?
Like do the events and characters spill over into other warhammer media?

>> No.31402504

>>31402497

Yes Blood Ravens are in the canon, at least a mention or two

>> No.31402539

>>31402504
No I understand that. I mean do characters and events from the game spill over into books or the tabletop?

>> No.31402571

>>31402539

Oh..well..ah..

Gaunt used to have rules and a model?

>> No.31402585

>>31402571
did he?

>> No.31402588

>>31402398
>It was better when the AL had defected because they wanted to prove the superiority of their tactics.
Also when Alpharius idolized Horus as a big brother and barely even met the Emperor, so when Horus said it was time for a change in leadership Alpharius was behind him 110%

>> No.31402605

>>31402585
yes indeed

>> No.31402617

>>31402585

Yep he and the Tanith first and only, they have mentions in the IG codexes as well

>>31402588

The entire Alpharius origin story is unknown now, at least in FW, they provide like 3 possibilities that have been discovered in imperial archives but then have 'this is a lie' after each of them.

Nobody knows how they found Alpharius anymore

>> No.31402621 [DELETED] 

>>31402605
what rules could he possibly have?

>> No.31402641

>>31402621

He had rules in like 4th ed I think but I cant remember any of them

I think he had a camo cloak..

>> No.31402680

>>31402605
what rules could he possibly have?


>>31402617
>Yep he and the Tanith first and only, they have mentions in the IG codexes as well
thats kind of radical? what set them apart though?

>> No.31402701

>>31402680

>What set them apart though

The fact they're one of the best selling BL franchises?

>> No.31402710

>>31402701
,,,,fair enough. But I would have figured that every trooper had Infiltrate ability would be the thing

>> No.31403138

>>31402710
IIRC, he had some standard comissar stuff, cameoline, a unique chainsword with minor buffs, and gave some bonus to a unit he joined, or let you take the tanith 1st. I can't remember precisely, it's been a long time since I read his rules. At his core he was a comissar with some better stats, and cameoline when cam gave you +1 cover. Cost like 75 points IIRC

>> No.31403168

>>31402486
I'm completely behind you.

I wonder how FW will deal with Unremembered Empire.

>> No.31403175

>>31403138
wouldnt it be a special Powersword?

>> No.31403202

>>31403175

Quite possible. Like I said, it's been like 7 years since I read that stuff, both the rules and novels. Some of the other Tanith 1st had rules too,

>> No.31403274

>>31403168

The idea of Rowboat trying to make an Imperium Secondus sounds cool on paper, but was ruined in execution

So..I have no idea, hopefully something cool

>> No.31403314

>>31398403
>Tau are children and have no knowledge of anything beyond their borders.

Don't be an ignorant and get with the times. The Tau have an Inquisitor and Inquisitorial agents working for them. Also they have those Imperial dudes who store information with their brains on cold storage to extract information from.

Also the have the power to extract information from Space Marines.

The Tau know many things. About the HH, about the size of the Imperium, etc.

>>31399289
>Shadowsun's armor is corrupted by chaos.

Her armor is not corrupted. The voives still talked to her after she shutdown the auto-trans.
>Shadowsun's armor is corrupted by chaos.

>> No.31403362

>>31400227
>You need to read a little more into what they do to the humans that join their little empire. Hint: They don't have a lot of kids.

Actually, they do have a lot of kids.

Ignoring the fact that most Gue'vesa are said to be the desecandents of the Imperial dudes from the first Damocles Crusade, The Tau need huge populations to aid their growth of their empire. They actively seek out works with hug human populations and then locate these population into their empire to work and solider for the Greater Good.

>> No.31403423

>>31398870
>They are though. They think psychics are actually using some kind of technology

A reminder that Necrontyr/Necrons have liyttle understanding on how the warp works, but they still beat the Old Ones with pure technology.

>> No.31403451

>>31403423

I dont think you'd call the C'tan pure technology

>> No.31403556

>>31403451
The Necrons used their advanced technology and the C'tan used their godly powers (which they were able to manifest thanks to Necron technology) to fight the war as partners (Master and slave rally). Pretty fair considering the Old Ones were using Warp Sorcery and summoned Warp Gods.

In the end, Real Space and technology triumphed over the Warp and sorcery.

>> No.31403610

>>31403556

Its not what I'd call a fair fight when you bring fucking Gods into it..

>> No.31403647

>>31403610
Both sides were bringing gods into it. It was a fair fight and the Necrons won.

gg Old Ones

>> No.31403651

>>31403647

The Old Ones never used Gods

>> No.31403673

>>31403647
Such is the fate of all who rely on the treacherous Warp rather than good honest technology.

>> No.31403691

>>31403556
>>31403647
>fair fight
the point is they weren't just using technology to win. Until the C'tan entered the fray they weren't capable of fighting back.

>> No.31403714

>>31403651
Lies.

We have records of at least one pantheon of gods fighting alongside the Old Ones, the Eldar Gods.

>> No.31403765

>>31403691
Necrontyr lost the first war due to primarily Webway. The Necrons have superior technology and numbers but against the Webway, which allowed the Old Ones and their allies to strike anywhere they wished at any time, it was not enough. That war lasted centuries, though.

>> No.31403768

>>31403673

>good honest technology
>C'tan

pick one

>> No.31403795

>>31403714
It's okay and fair for the Old Ones to summon Warp Gods into the war with sorcery but it's not fair for the Necrons to summon Real Space Gods via technology to aid them?

What hypocrisy.

>> No.31403828

>>31403768
I'll pick two.

Since among the gifts of the C'tan was cosmic knowledge which the Necrons used to forge mighty weapons and impossible wonders.

>> No.31403837

Hey guys. I feel like dumping art.
anyone got a request?

>> No.31403852

>>31403828

If you think god like beings giving their knowledge to a race that were getting their ass kicked is 'good honest technology' you're a retard

The Necrontyr needed the C'Tan to win, without them they would have lost, they didnt win because of technology they won because they gave their souls to a race of star vampires

>> No.31403855

>>31403837
Eldar and Necron art, please. To fit the current discussion.

>> No.31403877

>>31403855
no problem!
I actually do not know a lot about Necrons...I know a little bit about Eldar though. Blew my mind when my friend said they created Slaanesh because they literally partied way too hard.

>> No.31403889

>>31403765
and now let's bring this back to the Tau/Imperial comparison.

>The tau don't have superior technology
>The tau don't have superior numbers
>The tau don't have superior space travel
>The tau don't have stargods or even the numbers to feed one if they had
The Necrontyr and the Old Ones were two galactic superpowers. The war in heaven is in no way comparable to the conflict between the Tau Empire and the Imperium.

>> No.31403896

>>31403877
>tfw I want to join the conversation but I am too tired and too ignorant to be of any help

>> No.31403911

>>31403896
look at that classy mother fucker

>> No.31403921

>>31403911
whoops I confused Tau for Eldar for some reason

>> No.31403925

>>31403896
best to steer clear. It's carnac's comedy hour.

>> No.31403926

>>31403889

Only way the Tau can win is if they found their own race of star gods and sold their souls to them

>> No.31403930

>>31403852
>If you think god like beings giving their knowledge to a race that were getting their ass kicked is 'good honest technology' you're a retard

Technology is technology. The Necrontyr used their brilliant minds to decipher the knowledge and turn into amazing tech. So it's indeed honest technology.

>The Necrontyr needed the C'Tan to win, without them they would have lost,

And in turn the C'tan needed the Necrons to win the war. With the technology of the Necrons and the powers of the C'tan, they won the war.

>they didnt win because of technology they won because they gave their souls to a race of star vampires

The price for their souls was immorality and knowledge which was granted via technology. Why are trying to downplay technology? Warp addict much?

>> No.31403941

>>31403921


>>31403925
What is Eldar comedy like anyway?

>> No.31403955

>>31403941

>> No.31403972

>>31403941
predictable

>> No.31403986

>>31403889
>The Necrontyr and the Old Ones were two galactic superpowers. The war in heaven is in no way comparable to the conflict between the Tau Empire and the Imperium.

Due to other factors. The Old Ones and the Necrontyr were the only superpowers in their time and they left each other alone until they started their wars. in 40K, it's not simply Tau vs the Imperium. The Imperium is beset within and without from all sides from enemies and this leaves the Tau time to grow into a superpower.

I mean Eldrad and the Eldar of Ulthwe have foreseen this. He and they believe that the Tau are marching to greatness and will one day surpass the greatest feats of the Eldar. One thing nobody can argue about, is that the Tau have the greatest potential of all the races of this galaxy.

>> No.31404000

>>31403955


>>31403972
I doubt the Imperium was ever that polite

>> No.31404012

>I have followed the myriad potential futures of the Tau with great interest. Though barely even striplings compared to us, I feel a strange protectiveness towards them. In time I believe they will exceed even our greatest feats and master the darkness within their souls.

-Eldrad Ulthran, Farseer of Ulthwé Craftworld

>‘The Tau are young, yet their fire burns hot enough to reduce the stone hearts of ancient empires to ash. To underestimate them is to invite the cold grasp of death.’

- Irolac Dawnslayer of Craftworld Ulthwé

Eldrad believes in the great destiny of the Greater Good. So why don't you?

>> No.31404022

The Cabal is Juden

>> No.31404034

>>31404000
hey what do you know I do have some Necron stuff...I hope it is atleast.
anyone like to dump with me?

>> No.31404042

>>31404034
Alright, I'll help.

>> No.31404057

>> No.31404067

>>31399333

I reckon its a pre-fall Eldar relic.

>> No.31404078

>>31404067
Why would an immoral race create a relic designed to prolong one's life?

>> No.31404079

>>31404034

>>31404042
well thank you stranger!

>> No.31404086

>> No.31404087

>>31393367
Tarvitz is the man!

>> No.31404098

>>31404079

>> No.31404100

>>31403926
>Star gods
>souls

But c'tan have no use for souls.

>> No.31404106

>>31404098


>>31404087
got any more pre heresy EC stuff?

>> No.31404117

>>31403986
>in 40K, it's not simply Tau vs the Imperium.
just like back in ye olden times it wasn't simply NecrontryxOld Ones. The mere existence of indentured races and the C'tan prove that.

>The Imperium is beset within and without from all sides from enemies
The imperium is currently the singular dominating power in the galaxy. Yes, it's rotting. However no current power is capable of matching it. Not even the necrons.

>and this leaves the Tau time to grow into a superpower.
unfortunately for the Tau there isn't the time or room for them to grow beyond a minor power. Because the same enemies the humans contend with, everyone else does. And if the imperial presence in the eastern fringe diminishes, so too do their patrols and armed responses to the innumerable hostile threats in the galaxy. >"b-but the tau can fight them off" Yes, they probably could. But it means a halt to their expansionism.

>I mean Eldrad and the Eldar of Ulthwe have foreseen this
Yeah, he also forsaw not dying on the blackstone fortress, and we all know how that ended up. Prophecies in 40k mean very little besides a reason for the Eldar to die en masse.

>>31404000
Nonsense, they're always polite and well meaning individuals.

>> No.31404118

Meanwhile in Nehekhara

>> No.31404120

>>31398710
>Dude looks unnecessarily pissed.
>Angron
>Angry
>What

>> No.31404127

>>31404106

>> No.31404147

>>31404127


>>31404118
ooh that looks dire.

>> No.31404151

>>31404147

>> No.31404162

>>31404151
so who was the baddest Eldar that ever did live?

>> No.31404171

>>31404078

Because the Dark Eldar have a similar thing going on don't they? They have to steal life from others to prolong their own, if I recall correctly anyway.
If not, forgive me, I am not as well versed in Dark Eldar fluff.

>> No.31404175

>>31404162

>> No.31404177

>>31404162
>so who was the baddest Eldar that ever did live?
> that ever did live?

>> No.31404178

>>31404117
>>31404117
>Yeah, he also forsaw not dying on the blackstone fortress

Actually, I believe he foresaw his doom but proceeded anyways for the sake of all Eldar.

Anyways, it's irrelevant! The event was scrubbed from existence. Eldrad's record is pristine.

>> No.31404200

>>31404175


>>31404177
I think I heard that phrasing in a rap song somewhere.

>> No.31404203

>>31404100

They eat them bro

>> No.31404206

>>31404200

>> No.31404209

>>31404171
>Because the Dark Eldar have a similar thing going on don't they?

They feed on the souls and pain of others to prolong their lives and stop the drainage of their souls from Slaanesh. Their methods are different from the sword and were not a thing during the times before the fall.

>> No.31404219

>>31404203
But aren't soul souls warp stuff and c'tan hate the warp?

>> No.31404227

>>31404206

>> No.31404234

Behold Giantcron.

Tremble fleshlings!

>> No.31404235

>>31404219

Dude I dont fucking know they eat souls because they're tastier than star energy

Hell they didnt even retcon it in the Newcron codex, the C'tan gorge on the Necrontyr souls as they become Necrons and that gives them the power to rape the Old Ones

>> No.31404239

>>31404227

>> No.31404248

>>31404178
>Eldrad's record is pristine.
Not really, considering how often Ulthwe has been befuddled in recent codices (the latest instance was being thoroughly outsmarted by scions).

The Farseer who cried wolf. One day he'll actually get something right, but it was probably dumb luck rather than any prescience on their part.

>> No.31404251

>>31404239
man twhat god is this? its not Khaine is it?

>> No.31404253

What is SWAG may never die....

>> No.31404271

>>31403986
Fucking this

>> No.31404273

>>31404253
....and with the strange aeons even death may SWAG!

>> No.31404281

>>31404251

>> No.31404286

>>31404251
It's the Laughing God cosplaying as the Deceiver.

He is weird that way.

>> No.31404292

>>31404178
>Eldrad's record is pristine.
Maedrax.

>> No.31404305

>>31404012
Because the Eldar are wrong about absolutely everything?

>> No.31404324

>>31404281


>>31404286
What do we know about the Eldar Gods? I mean the Chaos Gods we know a bit about and how they interact.

>> No.31404331

>> No.31404341

>>31391190
the motivations for primarchs turning to chaos were pretty shit.

>> No.31404342

>>31404324

>> No.31404343

>>31404286
>>31404251
I prefer this image of him.
I believe it is the closest to how ol Ceg would look.

>> No.31404349

>>31404343

>> No.31404358

>>31404342


>>31404341
well thats just your opinion man.

>>31404343
>>31404349
creepy

>> No.31404360

>>31404324
See (>>31403714) (>>31403795)

They have plenty of contradicting information about them. But the version I like is that they are Warp constructs built by the Eldar with the guidance of the Old Ones that eventually evolved into Warp Gods.

With the Eldar Gods there is only one certainty. They are dead and gone except for three.

>> No.31404362

>>31404286
In the same way that Dark Reapers cosplay as the Nightbringer? Man, the Eldar sure wish they could be C'tan.

>> No.31404377

>>31402138
Are you certain those aren't wulfen? I'm one book away from prospero burns and give the book for a thousand sons I have no idea what more could burn on prospero now that mag and the last marines escape.

>> No.31404378

>>31404358


>>31404360
huh interesting.
What book are those pages from?

>> No.31404387

>>31404362
Actually no.
Ceg looking like the Deciever is a fan thing which grew up after the 3rd edition cron codex.
There's no info on how he looks besides the mention that troupmasters masks are images of him in the 2nd edition eldar dex.
And that's the image of a troupmaster from the 2nd edition.
So nothing like the Deciever.

>> No.31404393

>>31404377
given*
meant for
>>31402314

>> No.31404394

>>31404378

>>31404377
dont ask me I have no idea.

>> No.31404399

>>31404378
>What book are those pages from?

Liber Chaotica, Slaanesh section.

>> No.31404409

>>31404394
Last of my Eldar stuff.


>>31404399
sounds lewd....maybe because I immediately thought of Libido when I read Liber.

>> No.31404442

>> No.31404451

>>31404442
Nightbringer has nice teeth.

>> No.31404538

Anyone have the Militarum Tempestus codex? I'm interesting in both rules and what fluff they provide for these new stormtroopers

>> No.31404561

>>31404538
You

see
>>31395354

>> No.31404588

>>31404451
And even nicer abs.

>> No.31404615

>>31395675
>God, its like it was written by a retard.
Well...

>> No.31404696

>>31391190
it has totally gone to shit thanks to fucking abnett and his perpetuals and cabal BS

>> No.31405156

>>31402013
huh never encountered someone who tought that as a bad thing, for me Prospero Burns is the Best book of the serie so far.
Abnett gave the spacewolfs a realy nice charakter.

>> No.31405172

>>31405156
What the fuck happens in prospero burns anyway ?
I read a thousand sons last week and the main cities are pretty much taken over + the marine deffenders are gone.
What else is there about that planet ? Is it some alternative view on events like it was with the fulgrim book ?

>> No.31405211

OP here. Its time for me to go for now but hopefully this thread will be up later. Please use it however you wish.

>> No.31405213

>>31405172
it is basicly a MTV Cribs of the fang with a spacewolf theme for nearly the entire book but ... its kinda cool in my opinoin since it gives the wolfs more writen out backstory and Charakter.

Ah and Council of Nicaea from the wolfs prospektive aaaand Enuncia

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Password [?]Password used for file deletion.
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