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>friend suggests game system
>look through it seems pretty cool
>katanas are better then every other sword in the game
Fucking dropped. Still can't believe people perpetuate and allow this katana bullshit in this day and age.

>> No.31346172

>>31346149
> System
> reality

OP, are fucking retarded? You're talking about games that allow you to come back from death, regrow limbs, govern the world and fuck whatever it's possible to fuck and you sperg over katanas?

YOU NO WORTHY!

>> No.31346199

>>31346149
But lot5r is pretty good, Anon.

>> No.31346223

>>31346149
Ill take the bait and respond with: Why do you care?

>> No.31346233

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Katanas" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Bastard Swords deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Bastard Sword in Germany for 10,000 Euros (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my Bastard Sword.

European smiths spend years working on a single Bastard Sword and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Bastard Swords are thrice as sharp as Japanese swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a Daisho can cut through, a Bastard Sword can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Bastard Sword could easily bisect a samurai wearing pieces of wood for armor with a simple horizontal slash.

Ever wonder why Japan never bothered conquering Medieval Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Knights and their Bastard Swords of destruction. Even in World War II, Japanese soldiers targeted the men with the Bastard Swords first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Bastard Swords are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Bastard Swords:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Bastard Swords in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Bastard Swords need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>> No.31346236

>>31346149

Which system? If >>31346199 , you're an enormous faggot for complaining about setting flavor.

>> No.31346277

>>31346199
>>31346236
>L5R
No, that's my exception to this rule, because it is a game about samurai and all that shit. But when fantasy rpgs hype the katana as some awesome super-special snowflake weapon with clear advantages, it really pisses me off.

>> No.31346323

>>31346277
Why?
Are you mad that magic weapons are stronger than ordinary ones? Are you mad that a Avro vulcan gatling cannon is better than a crossbow?

If in that universe katanas, for whatever the reason, are better, it makes sense that people use it and treat it like a godly tier weapon. Is fucking fantasy, not real world.

I dunno why are you mad. After all, best 2nd weapon was an European katana called Grosse Messer.

>> No.31346345

>>31346323
>Grosse Messer is the European Katana
I don't know why, but I'm pretty ok with this statement.

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>Player goes on about awesome game setting he wants to play in
>Finally give in, start poring over the lore and history like a goddamned biblioarcheologist
>Game time rolls around
>Friend talks everyone into rolling druids and calling the group The Animorphs
>For fucking Ravenloft

>> No.31346368

>>31346277

Right. And I'm asking you to name one that isn't L5R.

>> No.31346392

>>31346199
But no-dachi is better than katana, anon. It's 3k3, and katana is 3k2.

>> No.31346418

>>31346392
>A bigger katana is better than katana
wut? of course, bigger is better.

>> No.31346438

>>31346149
Then just don't use katanas in the game, friend.

>> No.31346470

>friend suggests game system
>look through it, seems pretty cool
>Fighters have no special abilities besides +1s to damage

Fucking dropped. Still can't believe people perpetuate and allow this "mundane fighter" bullshit in this day and age.

>> No.31346505

>>31346470
actually chuckled/10

>> No.31346549

>>31346470
This may have been intended as a joke but this is how I actually feel for real.

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>>31346149

>> No.31346588

>>31346470
>One weapon being OP is the same as a whole heroic archetype being utterly bad

>> No.31346610

>>31346567
I actually hate the implication of that gif, the katana is magical as fuck while the broad sword is actually a slab of iron.

>> No.31346619

>>31346610
Any fight where the katana is infused with the glorious japanese spirit would turn out the same, anon.

>> No.31346655

have you ever considered it IS the best melee weapon in the game? Samurai were some of the best swordsmen of the day, they would train all day long on how to strike an opponent and cut THROUGH the opponent.

The steel used in the katana was similar to Damascus steel. They used a special whetstone to slide roughly across the length of the blade, up to a thousand times across each flat of the blade, leaving the back end dull but the front end with the shearing power of modern day, weapons grade steel.

A Samaria was taught to take off whole limbs, or to slash shoulder to sternem. Every blow was to be a fatal blow. Their initial charge was meant to bowl the opponent over, knock them back, or otherwise push the enemy into each other, as they knew they were not spaced far enough to deliver a killing blow. (which is how the barbarians met their match, by spreading too thinly)

The No-Dachi was a cavalry sword, meant to either knock the horse off the rider, or to slit the horses throat. (Sometimes decapitating it partially or half way)

By far, the katana is the most damaging blade that could be wielded with one or two hands. Samurai would sometimes go for impossible arcs and manuevers while wielding their swords, like bi-secting a man or stabbing directly through the heart. These would add to his reputation as a warlord as those who witnessed him might consider him a demon or demi-god. While mostly feats of brazen luck, the rumors would snowball into what are often in anime known today as "The Naming Strike", where in stories a samuria would call out the name of his enemy, his ancestors, then "name the strike" or describe the manuever of how he was going to defeat his opponent.

It was often said that samuria had a sort of prescience that would allow them to see into the future. Most of it is attributed to fairytales, but all in all, i can't think of a more damaging blade save maybe the flamberge and the claymore, which are cavalry swords.

>> No.31346673

>>31346619
Glorious japanese spirit (or fighting spirit or the feelings of your nakama or whatever) basically is magic though.

>> No.31346685

>>31346673
A magic that exists in real life!

>> No.31346689

>>31346655
Well trolled sir. You almost had me.

>> No.31346692

>>31346619
>Main character has powers
>Infuse powers on his weapon of choice
>Wins
Thats like the usual stuff, Anon.

I bet you're mad that Saber wins against Lancer.

>> No.31346697

>>31346655
Is this a new pasta?

>> No.31346706

>>31346549
>>31346505
Nobody was joking.

>> No.31346714

>>31346697
Looks like it needs some spell checking, but looks like it.

>> No.31346717

>>31346655
Well it was only a matter of time before someone threw out this pasta hash in the thread.

>> No.31346726

>>31346392
>Implying
Tok kek

>> No.31346751

>>31346692
>Saber wins against Lancer
That is BS, SPEARMAN MASTER RACE!

>> No.31346765

>>31346470
>Still can't believe people perpetuate and allow this "mundane fighter" bullshit in this day and age.
>implying fighters having no special abilities equal to non mmundate fighters.
a real life fighter have habilities as non fighter like me would not have, yet he is mundane

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>>31346655
*sarcastically
"Ancient Chinese Secret huh"

>> No.31346820

>>31346692
Of fucking course, it's not like Saber's name is fucking Tomahawk. It's like those nips haven't even looked at the weapons triangle Swords>Axes>Lances>Swords

>> No.31346849

>>31346655
flamberge was an infantry sword, as was the claymore
the scotch and irish didnt know what horses looked like when they started fighting rome

>> No.31346861

>>31346765
What he meant is that if a wizard can bend reality, why a fighter can't do impossible shit at the same level, you know, like heroes from myth?

The answer is that devs are fat neckbeards who believe that if they can't fire 11 arrows in less than 7 secs, then nobody can, which is a blatantly false.

>> No.31346874

>>31346692
I'm mad that Lancer always ends up losing to himself.

Being lancer is suffering ;_;

>> No.31346902

>>31346345
It's basically true.

the methods are slightly different but the blade shape is pretty similar.

>> No.31346938

>>31346849
true, the flamberge was introduced as a ceremonial blade that was classified as an "infantry sword", but it found resurgence in repelling english cavalry when they were invaded.

>> No.31346960

>>31346392
So is a scimitar at 2k3...until you hit Rank 3-4 and get your Simple Action Attacks and your school requires to use a Samurai tagged weapon for your SAAs.

>> No.31346991

So guys, what if

>European styled swords scale off strength
>Katanas/daggers scale off of dex/agility/whatever

Or something

>> No.31347016

>>31346392
the No-Dachi is too big and too heavy to make a good field weapon. There was not often room to manuever such as out on an open field, it could be more damaging, but it was of limited use in close quarters.

>> No.31347107

>>31346392
Sounds like someone doesn't like spending Void Points.

>> No.31347121

>>31346991
You might also have a samurai with a sufficient reputation have it scale off charisma, he is simply psyching his opponent out so bad that he is scared shitless and can't fight back.

>> No.31347206

>>31347107
I'll spend them for Armor TN, DR, or on my attack roll. The point you spent for damage just catches you up with my kept dice.

>> No.31347240

>>31347121

That would just be a combat use of intimidate/bluff/diplomacy/similar social skill. A sufficiently well known soldier could scare an opponent away with a butter knife. Think about it, you're moving through the battle-field, dead soliders all around you, and suddenly in frront of you is the legendary swordsman you've always heard about buttering a crumpet. You would shit your pants. Who butters a crumpet on a battlefield other than someone that knows that nothing in the world can stop them?

>> No.31347245

>>31347121

>Weapon that scales of Charisma

I like that more than I should

>> No.31347272

>>31347240
Someone who is on a bunch of drugs and isn't a drooling/stuttering/twitching heap?

>> No.31347287

>>31347240
>Initimidate/Bluff/diplomacy, etc
No, no, imagine actually dealing damage with charisma, that sounds so sugee.

>> No.31347472

>>31346655
>The No-Dachi was a cavalry sword, meant to either knock the horse off the rider, or to slit the horses throat.
>knock the horse off the rider
>Horse of the fucking Rider

See, this is why Japanese is hard to me.

>> No.31347482

>>31346820
Except that isn't true. That isn't even halfway true.

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>>31346655

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>>31346233

>> No.31347617

>>31347482
Never played Fire Emblem, I take it?

>> No.31347649

>>31347617

Probably not. He left Frederick out of the equation.

>> No.31347666

>>31346277
Wait wait wait, legend of the five rings is about THAT?

All this time I thought it was a LotR roleplaying game. Fuck. I would have actually paid attention to the threads if I knew that.

>> No.31347686

>>31347496
>so trolled

>> No.31348041

>>31346149
What system?

Because I think you're baiting.

>> No.31348118

I found the PF take on katanas hilarious.

the "Deadly" quality gives a bonus to the DC of a coup-de-gras....which if you know anything about coup-de-gras in PF is absolutely meaningless.

>> No.31348167

>>31348118
They also do less damage than in 3.5, 1d8. They're very very bad as a weapon.

>> No.31348382

>>31346849
>the scotch and irish didnt know what horses looked like when they started fighting rome

Yeah, that's just plain wrong. Horses had been domesticated by the British 2000 years before the Romans first arrived.

>> No.31348426

>>31348118

It means that the katana is awesome when you have to execute peasants that fall to your feet, begging for mercy.

Seems accurate.

>> No.31348468

How about they just have the katanas do nothing, or even brake when up against a shield?

The Japanese never had hand-held shields for use in CQC and only made their 'folded-thousand-times' based off of what they fought against during their times, which were other Japanese That is the excuse for it for the reality reason.

It also a good way to throw a punch against either the bad Weeaboo or 'edgy' (Really Katanas were used by the Asian equivalent of knights, which are not 'edgy') characters by having the mooks carry simple shields. That is, while possibly 'that GM', the excuse for the gameplay reason.

>> No.31348522

>>31348167
uhm no. 1d10 for a medium creature. It's just a mastercraft bastard sword.

>> No.31348543

>>31348426
>That feel when back in feaudal Japan there was a job that was going out there and kill peasants (mostly women) just to text a sword

>> No.31348571

>>31348522
Sorry to break your bubble, but:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCombat/combat/EasternArmorandWeapons.html

Katana, 1d8 for medium.

>> No.31348661

>>31348468

Well, they did have shields. Way down in Ryukyu, which might as well have been a separate country in practice. But otherwise yeah, they were never intended to go against shields, and not really against armor either. The katana is a razor, like pretty much all light, curved, slashing weapons, and hard materials fuck it up.

>> No.31348693

>>31348167

Katanas were fragile swords meant to be used against leather armor and flesh.

A katana is a two-handed long sword that breaks when it hits hard material. That's it.

>> No.31348709

>>31348468
>Sidearm for when shit hits the fan
>Against shields
No, anon, against shields you use the main weapons, Spear or Bow.

>> No.31348710

>>31348693
>A katana is a two-handed long sword that breaks when it hits hard material. That's it.

So your average sword then.

>> No.31348721

>>31348522

You're thinking 3.5, in PF it's a 1d8

>> No.31348751

>>31348709
Or short sword, if you're a Romefag.
Or axe, if you're a Varangianfag.

>> No.31348752

>>31348693
And scimitars Anon, and thousand other weapons, but the game doesn't have "this weapon is good against armor, and this doesn't" rules.

>> No.31348773

>>31348710

British longswords could stand strikes against armor and other weapons. Although it was still common for weapons to break during battle, the katana is particularly weak against hard material because how it is tempered.

>> No.31348795

>>31348752

Indeed. My point is that there is nothing especially good about a katana. If anything, it is inferior to most other swords.

>> No.31348814

>>31348709
You are implying that people thinks that the average player wouldn't use the most overrated sword in the whole world as a primary.

>> No.31348815

>>31348751
I was talking about Japaneses, more accurate, Samurai. Katana wasn't the main weapon of a samura, that place was for the Yari (spear like) and the Yumi (bow).

People still believe the "honaburu katana dueru" shit, and that was a lie, that was only true in peace times and in street fights, still no honaburu shit, they cheated like everybody else.

>> No.31348822

In AD&D 2e, the katana was weapon that did 1d10 single-handed and 2d6 two-handed. This was kind of ridiculous in a system where the damage of great weapons is 1d10, and most polearms did 1d8 points of damage. No other weapon in the system did that much damage.

The fucking no-dachi, the great two-handed katana, did 1d10 points of damage. Katanas were literally better than the larger version of them that was intended to be more damaging. Katanas were so good in 2e that they caused things that should have directly compared to them favorably be worse.

>> No.31348851

>>31348815

When they started to have better steel, it became customary to wear thin chain mesh armor (like light-gauge chainmail) under your clothes. Even in duels that were supposed to be fought unarmored. And it was considered fine, since everyone did it.

>> No.31348856

>>31348795
>Inferior
>When in the fantasy world katana are just katana in form
Katana is as good as its stats in a game, and I didn't read yet that in Not-Japan PF they had problems with their iron.

>> No.31348870

>>31348773
>>31348795
The primary difference in make comes down to this - a strong edge requires hard steel, which is brittle and likely to chip or break. A more flexible sword (to a point) will be more durable, which is why most longswords were made out of steel tempered to a midpoint between hard and brittle, and soft but flexible.

The katana, on the other hand, is designed to compensate by forming a hard outer layer over a softer core, so that you can maintain a sharp, hardened edge without making the whole sword brittle and unflexible. It's not ideal against plate, but frankly, no sword is. The best you can do is a decent thrusting sword that you can half-sword and push through joints.

But by the time plate was a big deal, so were firearms, so it wasn't ever a major problem for the Japanese. And against softer armor, the katana is plenty fine - it's great at slicing through soft shit.

>> No.31348882

>>31348815
Don't forget about muskets, they loved their muskets, and even used them more intensivelly than in Europe.

>> No.31348886

>>31348795
It's very good at cutting flesh, better than a European straight blade, both because of its curvature and the techniques used for it. That's the advantage of any saber-like design.

>> No.31348911

All right, gentlemen. Time for the KM summoning dance to bring forth the citations and scientific evidence on the katana and the quality of Japanese steel.

>> No.31348914

>>31348870
You mean soft shit like chainmail or soft shit like wood and silk which is what the japanese used for armor?

Not to mention that early firearms weren't very good at penetrating plate, anyway.

>> No.31348919

>>31348870
Also most people forget that when a samurai with armor faced another samurai with armor they uses CQC to trip their opponent and then stab the face or the joints.

>> No.31348921

>>31348773

Sure sure.

>> No.31348922

>>31346233
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Fate Worse Than Death" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Rape deserves much better than that than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself committed a genuine rape in Japan for 2,000 Yen (that's about $5) and have been in prison for almost 2 years now. I can even rape a hole through steel.
Japanese rapists spend years planning a single rape and visualize it up to a million times to produce the finest rapes known to mankind.
Rapes are thrice as bad as regular murder and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a murder can cause, a rape can cause better. I'm pretty sure a rape could easily cause a Paladin wearing full plate to fall with a simple horizontal thrust.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the Samurai and their rape dicks of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the unzipped pants first because their raping power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Rape is simply the worst thing that the world has ever seen, and thus, requires better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for rape:

Rape (Ex)
3d12 Damage
No save
Victim is traumatized for the rest of his/her life

Now that seems a lot more representative of the traumatizing power of rape in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Rape need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>> No.31348943

>>31348882
Oh yeah. Nobunaga Oda is famous for nothing so much as his three-rank rifle formation. It was the key to a few of his most significant victories.

Matter of fact, the Japanese were quick to adopt innovations in the field of warfare. They bought ships full of muskets, then learned to make them themselves. Major warlords frequently bought Western plate, then had it reshaped to Eastern aesthetic - Oda, Date, and at least a few others were known to wear elaborate western plate.

>> No.31348950

>>31348914
>They uses only wood and silk in armors
Not this shit again, please, why people still believe this shit in a time with books, internet and TV?

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>> No.31348972

>>31348886

A pretty good analogue to the katana is the scimitar. Not in exact structure, but in the intended usage. They're hard-edged, very sharp blades. They're not supposed to cleave through with a strike, but to slice into an opponent. Someone has described this as the sword "eating" its way through flesh. This is done by a long, rather short-ranged cut over the foe, drawing the blade through his flesh. It's really like using a knife to cut bread.

And as you might expect, hard materials completely fuck that up. Because while flesh will get eaten through, you can't "gradually" (it's still executed in one swift strike, but you know) eat away at it. If you can't smash through them, they won't yield.

>> No.31348981

>>31348914
Anon, lamellar was common literally everywhere in Asia by the time of the Three Kingdoms, which was hundreds of years before the Sengoku period.

Please stop lying.

>> No.31349004

>>31348870

Yes, I understand how a katana works and how they are made and why they are made that way. However, european swords cut deep into katanas and will warp them. Also, katanas are destroyed quickly from connecting with metal shields and metal armor. The Japanese didn't evolve mass melee fighting like Europe did. In Japan during their time as the primary, katanas were ok but outclassed by the Yari. At the same time in Europe, they would have been destroyed.

In DnD and PF, katanas can't hope to match european themed weapons.

>> No.31349007

>>31348822

>Katanas were more damaging than larger two-handed katanas in 2e

If that's not katana love, I don't know what is.

>> No.31349022

>>31348972
Yeah, the scimitar or tulwar are good similar weapons in terms of function. And, fun fact, Europe fucking LOVED the tulwar. There's an alarming amount of completely historical tulwarnk. So obviously swords made in that style weren't completely useless in Europe.

>> No.31349045

>>31349004
>Japanese using shields
>The Japanese didn't evolve mass melee fighting like Europe did

What the fuck am I reading. You may have a point to say from this, but I'm not sure what you mean.

>> No.31349118

>>31348950
>implying books, internet and TV don't proliferate the spread of this bullshit

>> No.31349200

>hurr durr Japaneses can't do shit with their katanas against full armored guys
For god's sake, people, neither knighs with their longswords, that's why they had warhammers, maces and shit like that and that's why Japaneses had tetsubos, onos and shit like that. Japaneses neither were more stupid nor clever than us and viceversa.

>> No.31349217

>>31348822
In 1st ed, they did 1d10 one handed and 1d12 two handed. In 4th ed, they made a lot of good changes related to this. First, they got rid of the two handed thing. Instead, you get a strength bonus for using a weapon two handed. Second, they changed the damages on a lot of the other weapons.

Broadswords and battleaxes were changed to d10, and fullblades were introduced and did 1d12. I don't think its much of a stretch to change the damage on a katana to 1d12, after all, it was a big fucking sword. (A lot of people confuse it with wakizashi, a much smaller curved blade.) Speaking of which, the wakizashi should probably do d10 as well, they were often known for disemboweling their opponents, for a long, slow, painful death for a dishonorable opponent.

It was typically known as a "houseblade" and could easily be concealed under the traditional robes they would wear while at home.

They changed a broadsword to 1d10 one handed

>> No.31349255

>>31349200
>neither knighs with their longswords,
you take that back, you slant-eyed coward

>> No.31349305

katanas r superior weapns praise gloriuos nippon

>> No.31349307

>>31349200
Longswords are a better shape for thrusting.

>> No.31349308

>>31349255
>Muh European fine steel sword fueled by the Holy Roman Empire can cut everything!
Fuck off you white monkey barbarian.

>> No.31349346

>>31349307
If you can kill a full armored guy with a longsword you better believe you can also do it with a katana, yeah, sure, that katana is going to look like shit and be usesless after that combat, but you should look the other guy.

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>>31349200
Quite the pain bringers these are.

>> No.31349399

>>31349308
Funny that you call me a monkey. Isn't one of your "gods" one?
You're a spitting image

>> No.31349401

>>31349346
I hope you're joking.

>> No.31349444

>>31349399
At least my gods are alive, you dirty barbarian, how is syphilis treating you?

>> No.31349548

>>31349444

>gods
>plural

Look at this fucking heathen. Look at him and laugh.

>> No.31349595

>>31349548
I swear to Susanoo, if this gaikokujin doesn't shut up I'll summon a tsunami.

>> No.31349605

>>31349200
>For god's sake, people, neither knighs with their longswords,

Swing a longsword at a fully armoured man's head. See it snap like a twig. Rejoice in caucasian superiority.

>> No.31349612

>>31349548
>muh krishitans
>not worshipping your Emperor as the descendant and chosen of heaven

>> No.31349646

>>31349605
The longsword or the man's neck?

>> No.31349655

>>31346233
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much worse than that. Much, much worse than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 120 Yen (that's about $1) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can't even cut wooden boards with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce some of the biggest pieces of shit known to mankind.

Katanas are barely half as sharp as European swords and half as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can't cut through at all. I'm pretty sure a katana would break trying to cut a knight wearing full plate with any kind of slash.

Ever wonder why feudal Japan never bothered conquering Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Knights and their Oakeshott types X through XXII of destruction. Even in World War II, Japanese soldiers targeted the men with the mamelukes first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the worst sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require worse stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d4 Damage
x2 Crit
-2 to hit and damage
Can never count as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d6 Damage
x2 Crit
-1 to hit and damage
Can never count as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do much less in d20, see my new stat block.

>> No.31349661

It's not that the Katana was objectively brilliant, it broke really easily and was fuck hard to do anything useful with due to the sheer thinness of it. In reality, it's the fact that samurai were trained TO FUCK learning how to use one. I do Genbukan Ninjitsu and the sensei said it takes 30 years to become half decent in using a katana, for the last two years all I've trained is basic cuts that are easily dodgeable. In the hands of a samurai that has spent their entire life training to use the katana, yes it is a fucking awesome weapon. But literally any other sword is easier to use.
Related to RPGs, I think the katana should ONLY be useable by a samurai class but have fuckawesome stats, while for everyone else you get a -10 to hit, it deals 1d2 damage and on a roll of a two or less you hit yourself.

>> No.31349666

>>31349595
>I swear to Susanoo, if this gaikokujin doesn't shut up I'll summon a tsunami.

I'm behing a few thousand miles of continental landmass, you dirty nip. Try as hard as you want.

>> No.31349686

>>31349646

The neck, obviously.

>> No.31349708

>>31349666
>Pretends to be Christian
>666

>> No.31349718

>>31349661
>sensei said it takes 30 years to become half decent in using a katana

That's because you don't have pure Nipponese blood. Put a katana in the hands of any true blooded son of the Empire and they'll cut a battleship in half without breaking a sweat.

>> No.31349730

>>31349666
Nice try foreign devil.

>> No.31349731

>>31349661
>thinness
You know that katanas are thicker than European blades, do you?

>> No.31349768

>>31349661
>thinness
Stopped reading there, this is bait.

>> No.31349830

>>31349661
>In the hands of a samurai that has spent their entire life training to use the katana, yes it is a fucking awesome weapon.

Which, I guess, is why every other goddamn samurais were busy using bows and spears.

>> No.31349935

Katana threads on /tg/ are allways hillarious, the ammount of trolling, dumb and assmad people is really funny

>> No.31349970

>>31349768
Fuck, you know what I mean. The blade is wide, but slender the other way. The cross-section would be a rectangle thin one way and long the other.
Just look at one and you'll know what I mean

>> No.31349993

>>31349830
Well, those weapons are also extremely effective in the hands of a trained professional. The difference is that a katana could ONLY be used by a trained professional

>> No.31350009

>>31349661
ehm...its a sharp iron bar with a handle at one end...its hardly a very impressive feat of engineering or overly difficult to kill with.

>> No.31350068

>>31347206
Nah brah, VP expenditure is +1k1 (possibly more) so that'll make it better. Plus you can always get fancy ~Sacred Weapon~ katanas that are like 3k3 or 4k2 in addition to VP boost. (Not to mention like getting a technique which lets you stack VP expenditure, but that's more high end stuff anyway)

>> No.31350095

>>31350009
Take a screwdriver, sharpen it a bit and then run out into the middle of a battlefield against armoured veteran swordmasters and try to kill one with it.
Sometimes, you need something more than a sharp iron bar.

>> No.31350134

>>31347245
Considering the amount of whining that went on when 4e did that sort of thing, most people would flip out over "muh verisimilitude."

>> No.31350138

>>31350095
You're an idiot and also dishonest
A sharpened screwdriver is nothing like a sword in any way

>> No.31350210

>>31350095
>What's misericorde

>> No.31350213

>>31350095
>Take a screwdriver, sharpen it a bit and then run out into the middle of a battlefield against armoured veteran swordmasters and try to kill one with it.

Blindside him when he's dealing with other people and ram the screwdriver though the eyeslots of his helmet. I could find some kid on the street that could do it, and probably would for 50 bucks.

>> No.31350218

>>31350095
Hey, I can play this game to!

My glorious sharp screwdriver of massdestruction is absolutely invicible against starving toddlers and soap!

>> No.31350258

>>31350138
EXACTLY MY POINT

>> No.31350277

>>31347121
Stealing that.

>> No.31350410

>>31350258
And an iron bar is large then a screwdriver.

car =/= truck so truck beats motorcycle.

thats basically your argument

>> No.31350467

>>31349993
This.
Eastern martial arts were not explicitly better because they had this weird air of fucking mysticism. If someone trains for 30 years with a katana they are going to be fucking insane with a katana. If someone trains for 30 years with a rapier they will be goddamn fantastic with a rapier. The same goes for maces, axes, bows, guns, polearms, picks, and literally every weapon ever.

>> No.31350469

Strangely enough considering how crazy weeaboo Anima: Beyond Fantasy is the Katana and Broadsword stats are super close. As I recall the Broadsword was slightly more durable while the Katana had a slightly higher Presence trait which made it easier to Enchant.

Now the crafting was fucking retarded, it is harder to make nunchaku than a broadsword. The reasoning I guess is because Weeaboo power levels.

>> No.31350515

>>31349970
Katana are actually pretty thick compared to other swords. Not that much more, and less in some cases, but overall they are on the thick side. They have a thick spine that makes them rigid in the cut and not vibrate very much. They appear thicker still as they don't have a whole lot of distal or profile taper.

>> No.31350617

>>31350469
Anima BF has a good list of weapons considering the game itself and its origin, isn't Riddle of Steel, but is good.

>> No.31350662

>>31350410
He never made any specification about size. It's more like someone complaining about the length of a journey by car, someone else replying
>ugh what the fuck you have a fucking vehicle just drive there it's not fucking hard
and then challenging them to do the same on a shitty little moped or ride on lawnmower

First, a difficult task is talked about, then it is unfairly generalised so the generalisation is challenged with a shitty object that still fits under the generalisation

A sharpned screwdriver and a katana are both sharp iron bars, in the same way a shitty little moped and a car are both vehicles.

>> No.31350706

>>31350410
I don't think the words iron bar have a defined size for the object they refer to.

It requires two factors, 1) the object be made of iron, 2) it be in an elongated rectangular prism of some sort of dimensions. Therefore a sharpened screwdriver is an iron bar and therefore I conclude you are both retarded and horrible at English.

>> No.31350745

>>31349661
>30 years to become half decent using a katana
Pfhhahaha, dude, people died before they got 30 back then, and there were people who were swordmasters before reaching 20.

>> No.31350759

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Copypasta" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Pastas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Pasta Sword in Italy for 10,000 Euros (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid sauce with my Pasta Sword.

European cooks spend years working on a single Pasta Sword and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Pasta Swords are thrice as sharp as Japanese swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a Daisho can cut through, a Pasta Sword can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Pasta Sword could easily bisect a samurai wearing pieces of wood for armor with a simple horizontal slash.

Ever wonder why Japan never bothered conquering Medieval Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Knights and their Pasta Swords of destruction. Even in World War II, Japanese soldiers targeted the men with the Pasta Swords first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Pasta Swords are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Pasta Swords:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Pasta Swords in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Pasta Swords need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>> No.31350841

>>31350617
It also has a bunch of totally retard weapons too. Like the nunchuck polearm, double katana, and the dagger with a hole in it that you spin so fast it counts as a shield.

>> No.31350885

>>31348882
>Don't forget about muskets, they loved their muskets, and even used them more intensivelly than in Europe.

they didnt use them more extensively than europe. the period during which the japanese were busily embracing the musket was also the period known to western military historians as 'the age of pike and shot' a period dominated by large formations of pikemen and musketeers

>> No.31350904

>>31350841
The first two are real, though. Granted, the double katana is just as retarded in real life, but hey.

>> No.31350988

>>31346354

I fucking lost it

>> No.31350994

>>31350885
Proportionally speaking they totally used them more than us in any time ever.

>> No.31351025

>>31350885
I don't like to say to other people that they're wrong, but, you're wrong.

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>>31346354
10/10 would play for days

>> No.31351246

>>31350904
I am not talking about a three section staff. I am talking about a three section staff with Halberd heads on the outer sections with the outer sections being 3-4 feet long. The googles only find it as a weapon in the manga Blade of the Immortal. The pictures of it from the manga scream of try-hard bullshit.

And double swords of any type never really existed outside of fantasy.

>> No.31351383

>>31351246
>Blade of the Immortal
>Try-hard bullshit manga
I want to murder you.

>> No.31351402

>>31350994
>>31351025
what is a terico?
seriously? you cannot be this ignorant of western military history, did you think they went from knights in armour in 1485 to lines of musketeers by the 1700s without passing through a period where pike and shot coexisted.


look at the history of the 30 years war and the english civil war, and at the dutch wars against the spanish. they are about pike, shot and cavalry

>> No.31351455

>>31346149
>Katanas are better than every other sword

...was the game shadowrun?

>> No.31351472

>>31351383
Shira.

That is all.

>> No.31351474

>>31351402
I think you don't understand what proportional means, go grab a dictionary, then we'll keep talking.

Also, read a little about Nobunaga Oda.

>> No.31351494

>>31351472
>Shi "nothing personel kid" ra
>Not Magatsu
Srly, you want to die or something?

>> No.31351588

>>31351402
>Terico
I hope you mean Tercio, Anon.

>> No.31351621

>>31351474
Don't give the "proportial" bullshit, WE used more muskets than Japan.

>> No.31351711

>>31351246
>I am talking about a three section staff with Halberd heads on the outer sections with the outer sections being 3-4 feet long
Oh, I thought you were talking about something like a pole flail.

Nevermind then, disregard that I cuck socks.

>> No.31351763

>>31351474
a tercio typically consisted of 40-50% firearms to pike, and the linear battle formations that replaced the tercio had a higher ratio.

at nagashino oda had less than 20% firearms

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>>31346233
>>31348922
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Swords" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Halberds deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Halberd in Switzerland for 10,000 Euros (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my Halberd.

European smiths spend years working on a single Halberd and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Halberds are thrice as sharp as swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a sword can cut through, a halberd can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a halberd could easily skewer a swordsman wearing his chainmail vest for armor with a thrust.

Ever wonder why swordsmen never bothered assaulting pike blocks? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined halberdiers and their pointy dick extensions of destruction. But not in World War II, where smart soldiers targeted the men with the guns first because their killing power was feared and respected and you had to be a real fuckhead to take a sword or pike to a gun fight.

So what am I saying? Halberds are simply the best weapon that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for halberds:

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork, +2 to penis length

Now that seems a lot more representative of the poking and dick extending power of halberds in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Halberds need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

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>>31347649
Fixed.

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>> No.31352511

>>31346233
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Terminator Armour" bullshit that's going on in the 40k system right now. Artificer Armour deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine suit of artificer armour from Mars for 100,000,000 Thrones (that's about $50,000,000,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even take krak missiles to the face with my artificer armour.
Techmarines spend centuries working on a single suit of artificer armour and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest armour known to mankind.
Artificer armour is thrice as thick as terminator armour and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything terminator armour can cut resist, artificer armour can resist better. I'm pretty sure artificer armour could easily surive a shot from a volcano cannon at point blank range.
Ever wonder why Chaos never bothered to conquer Baal? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Sanguinary Guard and their artificer armour of destruction. Even in the Horus Heresy, traitors soldiers targeted the men with artificer armour first because their staying power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Artificer armour is simply the best armour that the galaxy has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 40k system. Here is the stat block I propose for Artificer armour:
+1 Strength
+1 Toughness
+1 Wound
Relentless
Feel No Pain
It Will Not Die
Stealth
Shrouded
rerollable 2+/3++

>> No.31352551

>>31346655
>>31346697
have you ever considered it IS the best melee weapon in the game? Kngihts were some of the best swordsmen of the day, they would train all day long on how to strike an opponent and cut THROUGH the opponent.

The steel used in the longschert was similar to modern spring steel. They used a special fechbuch to train roughly with the whole of the blade, up to a thousand times practicing, giving them the killing power of modern day soldiers.

A Knihgt was taught to stab the enemy in the groin, or to slash at unarmored bits. Every blow was to be a fatal blow. Their initial charge was meant to bowl the opponent over, knock them back, or otherwise push the enemy into each other, as they knew they were not spaced far enough to deliver a killing blow. (which is how the barbarians met their match, by spreading too thinly)

The Zweihander was a cavalry sword, meant to either knock the horse off the rider, or to slit the horses throat. (Sometimes decapitating it partially or half way)

By far, the longsword is the most damaging blade that could be wielded with one or two hands. Knights would sometimes go for impossible arcs and manuevers while wielding their swords, like mordschlang with the pommel or stabbing directly into his groin. These would add to his reputation as a warlord as those who witnessed him might consider him a demon or demi-god. While mostly feats of brazen luck, the rumors would snowball into what are often in western movies known today as "The Chivalrous Challenge", where in stories a knit would call out the name of his enemy, then "call his mother a poxy whore" or describe the manuever of how he was going to defeat his opponent.

It was often said that knight had a sort of code of honour that would prevent all harm to them. Most of it is attributed to fairytales, but all in all, i can't think of a more damaging blade save maybe the tachi and the naginata, which are cavalry swords.

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I have a solution to problems like this in the RPG system I'm homebrewing at the moment.
all weapons deal lethal damage.
the problems in combat lies in getting your weapon to enter a person's body in a fatal way.
kind of like in real life, it doesn't matter if it is a Katana or a rusty nail, if it draws blood, you bleed.

weapons don't have stats, people do

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