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Sunday night shenanigans edition

Last one 404ed and there hasn't been a new one all weekend.

Start off with, what lists did you run and how did you do? Or, what are you currently working on/painting?

>Faction books, expansions, No Quarter and painting guides
>Write Lists
>Tournement Rankings and Competitive Lists
>Painting guides, articles, tips and tricks

>> No.31315432

We've had two threads disappear long before auto-sage this weekend. I'm calling shenanigans.

Painting my Ogrun Bokur right now and trying out my airbrush on certain sections of him. This shit is harder than it looks.

Eagerly anticipating Bane Riders since my two favorite casters (pGaspy and Witch Coven) have needed them badly.

>> No.31315509

Wouldn't be the first time

And for those curious, Jordan Nach won Adepticon Masters playing Mercs. His final match was against eDenny.

And I cannot believe I just typed those words.

>> No.31315562

So I just got a unit of Knights Exemplar, these guys are jack/beast killers, right?

>> No.31315606

general killers.

weaponmaster infantry can kill shit.

>> No.31315634

hmm... second finals loss for E Denny in a convention.

>> No.31315641

From the forums
>I won't be able to recall the Jordan's lists to the model, but it was Durgen/Macbain/Damiano, all in highborn. Durgen had Earthbreaker, press gangers, Nyss, a&h. TAC and a mass of solos (including pEyriss). It was Macbain with Galleon and the full pirate boat, and gun mages, while I think Damiano had Nomad, Press gangers, alexia and risen, gun mages and hammer dwarves, with a marshaled Vanguard on the gms.

>No 4 star or steelheads to be found.

>Games were Durgen vs. eMorv (Anthony Fiorello), MacBain vs. Rhyas (Jake van Meter), Damiano vs. pMakeda (Jason Watt), and Durgen vs. eDenny (Scott Boatwright).

Don't know if you guys care, but I'm incredibly amused by Mercs winning Adepticon with hordes of Press Gangers.

>> No.31315678


Seemed to me that the 404'd threads were dead. I don't think I saw a post in the last one all day yesterday.

Anyway, on topic:

Getting around to getting some paints for my menoth, I plan on just doing the standard color scheme. What's the list of paints I should get for it? The army book lists about 10 different paints to mix together for each material.

>> No.31315711
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Pirate boat is full legit since you have Galleon for any non living armor.

>> No.31315829

Are the skorne completely evil or do they care about their citizens

>> No.31315885

They mostly don't give a shit.

>> No.31315891

That's a subjective thing.

The society is built on cruelty but many accept as the fact of life and it's considered natural that you would seek advancement. They feel pride in their toil so, yes they are pretty much completely evil, yes they do care about the grunts although mostly as figures not individuals.

>> No.31316049

So non warrior caste skorne have no hope for the afterlife?

>> No.31316070

No Skorne has hope for the afterlife.
You either ramble in hazy conciousness in a rock or you go insane in the void.

>> No.31316091

The only Skorne afterlife is a hellish, screaming void. By proving themselves to be awesome and badass in life, Skorne hope to gain the honor of having their souls placed in sacral stones to avoid this.

>> No.31316117

Watching all the other races have fights over who's got the best god and who's going to have the best afterlife while knowing you've got nothing waiting for you but a dark oblivion would probably make for a pretty cynical race.

>> No.31316141

Its stated that its extremely rare for people outside the warrior caste to receive Exaltation, so yeah, most will end up in the Void.

Even most warriors know that true Exaltation is a rare gift for those outside the ranks of the Cataphractii or their leaders.

Skorne society comes across as a strange thing, with almost a resigned, vaguely nihilistic air to it. To their mind, life is pain and struggle, and then you die and pass into the Void. The vast majority will never receive exaltation, and there's no afterlife outside of it, so individuals mean nothing. You labour for the things that will outlast you then, your House and nowadays, the Empire. They're cruel, but to them, that's how the world works, and pain and suffering is just weakness leaving. Its a resigned cruelty, devoid of malice, but as a people, they are totally without mercy or compassion.

>> No.31316143

Sorry I meant that non warrior skorne has no means of getting their souls housed in stone?

>> No.31316159

Nope. Woe is to be a Klingon scientist or chef

>> No.31316183

CoC should just go around converting them into soldiers, they'd get them in droves.

"Work with us, and your soul won't end up the void."

>> No.31316185

Dqmn I guess skorne confirmed to be the suckiest race to be born as

>> No.31316220

Iosan actually.

Skorne despite being fucked up, can function well, and rise in life and hope for a semblance of after life.

Iosans are just fucked physically and spiritually.

>> No.31316230

Why exactly do Skorne have souls? Ios has been having more and more soulless being born because their gods are dying, but Skorne gods have been long dead and they don't seem to have a problem with it.

>> No.31316262

Who is the most badass character in fluff and why is it King Vinter Raelthorne?

>> No.31316266

last thread didn't 404 doe

>> No.31316270

That's one of the big mysteries, of course. Goreshade thinks it's because their god of fertility is dying, and she's having a direct effect on the new Iosians born.

>> No.31316273

Good question really. The leading theory seems to be that its because the Elven gods were a bunch of cosmic helicopter parents who did everything directly, so without them taking care of the processes, they break.

And the Skorne gods aren't dead; they never had them to begin with, a fact that they are intensely proud of. Having watched the rise and fall of Lyoss, and how the gods coddled that nation, its hard to blame them really.

There is the theory that they were the rejected first attempt by the Elven gods, hence their lack of an afterlife, but Skorne have souls, and aren't reliant on a process of reincarnation like the Elves are.

>> No.31316274

Well, for one, elves have a reincarnation cycle which is watched over by their gods. While they generate new souls with new births, like all races, many are born with reincarnated souls. With nobody to watch over the reincarnation cycle, shit gets weird.

>> No.31316276

Until the machine they're in breaks and they go to the hell that is the void.

What happens to evebrlight corrupted Nyss? The non soulless ones that is, since things like the swordsmen, legionnaires, striders, etc, all still have technical souls. Are they rebirthed as Nyss souls again?

>> No.31316296

yup. http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?195687-Is-Everblight-a-god-for-Nyss

Apparently even with Legion's baby pumping program Nyss are still under populated people so souless haven't really hit them yet.

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Starting my exemplar errants, color scheme is golden / bronze with metal and purple.
Why is it so fucking hard to take pictures with good illumination.

>> No.31316306

>Until the machine they're in breaks and they go to the hell that is the void.
You could make the same argument about sacral stones. At least with CoC, they can inter their souls en masse and they retain significantly greater sense of self than those in sacral stones.

>> No.31316338

Far as I know, Skorne never had gods in the first place. That is, no being or beings of Urcaen takes them into their protection or patronage, and no Skorne gives worship to any being of Urcaen.
As to where they got their souls....dunno? The metaphysics of the Skorne haven't really been explained much, beyond saying that it doesn't really line up much with the Iron Kingdoms' understanding of metaphysics. Zaal, Hexeris and Mordikaar are said to be "working on it."

>> No.31316342

you need multiple light source and white balance your photo. It also helps to do it in a box instead of just a flat white sheet of paper since the bouncing light from the box's wall creates diffused lighting.

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Damn, I'm not sure if it's worse to be Iosan or Nyss then. At least when an Iosan dies, that's it. A nyss is just gonna be rebirthed and corrupted. Possibly born as a Nephilim. Nyssor is aware of the current plight of his people yeah?

Has to suck to be nyssor too, completely unable to stop it.

>> No.31316385

Hey, my local group is looking to have another press ganger, as one of our two is stepping down.
Any one here ever been a PG, have any stories or experience or advice to share?

>> No.31316394

Or you are lucky and you get reborn amongst the free Nyss and cry that majority of your population is in a Dragon Harem.

Nyssor's chill. He's in his cube chilling and not giving a fuck even though that nigger goreshade stole his bling.

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Thanks for the tips.
Here's also some Shredders my wife finished.

>> No.31316410


Keep in mind no one really even knows what the 'Void' is. The big theory is that what the Skorne call the Void is really just regular old Urcaen, but since they have no gods to look after their souls when they die, they end in the Wilds and their souls get devoured by the Devourer.

Basically, life is sucks for the rank and file.

My favorite question though, is who actually created the Skorne and what happened to them? Why did they abandon their children to such a terrible fate?

>> No.31316411

It's not glamorous
You need time
It's NOT fun
people pay attention to you both positively and negatively.

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Wrong pic

>> No.31316420

I guess Nyssor has to stay frosty or everything melts.

I do think some of the lore shit in the game is cool. I play everblight though so everything feels a tad one dimensional with him. Dragon in the body of an ogre, wants to eat his brohters and then daddy. Has a harem. Only Saeryn seems to have any vague ulterior motive. Other than that it feels like it's a bit two dimensional unless i'm missing something.

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Is it/could it be possible for the Skorne to just be some 'proto' thing? Like, no one actually made them. They just kind of became made from the other races being given life, like some sort of hideous afterbirth given life. No one wanted to deal with that, but no one saw it fit to strike them down either so they just festered and grew life? I kinda think that'd be a fun way to do it but maybe it's shitty.

>> No.31316440

Its a lot of work, but it can be pretty rewarding getting new people into the game. But its essentially a second job, you have run events and demo games for new people.

You are lucky to have two PGs though, that means you guys can trade off running events.

>> No.31316448

I'm running eKreoss with Exemplars, so far I have
Daughters x2
Exemplar Errants FU + UA
Exmplar Errant Seneschal
Exemplar Seneschal
2 Paladins
Fire of Salvation
Gorman diWulfe

What should I get next?

>> No.31316454

I really need to paint my minis, but i've never painted before. I'm so afraid of being judged for shittiness. It's also really humid here and I don't have a good place to spray indoors, so I dunno how to handle that. What kind of temperatures are good to try and spray prime out side?

>> No.31316462

Well, Vayl and Saeryn have some jealousy issues with each other and Kallus.

The entire warlock group are hive minded due to the Athanc anyway. Most of the characterization is Nyss coping with Thagrosh's moodswings.

>> No.31316469


They also won Vienna Masters.

>> No.31316473
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Piper could be a solid investment, maybe Bastions, reckoners, a vassal of menoth, Avatar, maybe Efeora?

>> No.31316480

Its possible and its been talked about before, but there is nothing written to support this. Also, all sentient life on Immoren has been created by someone or something. There is no president for a race to just spring up like that.

Another, equally possible, theory is that they were created by the Iosan gods as a kind of test run before they went on to create the elves.

>> No.31316493

Prototype elves makes the most sense, I know. It just seems like they somewhat look like elves, have an intense animosity to them, and it would be bitterly ironic for that to be true.

>> No.31316511

I'll go for Avatar and Reckoners

>> No.31316519

I do like that theory. Explains the vague physical resemblance between the two peoples, and that the Skorne developed in the badlands at the edge of Lyoss, like the gods shoved their rough draft off to there and forsook them in favour of their shiny new creations.

>> No.31316534

Piper of ord. He can grant a unit +def and terror, fearlessness and toughness, or pathfinder. having him buff the exemplar errants makes them even harder to remove.

>> No.31316542

Void is definitely it's own layer.

Circle knows what Urcaen is but Mohsar looking at Mordikaar reveals a tear in the fabric of reality and spiritual world all together. It's definitely a different thing and freaky enough for all of Circle to gun for him.

>> No.31316572

Oh also don't forget taht for Avatar, he's not part of your warcasters battlegroup. So if you do pick him up, it is worth it to remember that unless you get a second unit of choir or a vassal for him he's not gonna have all the support that your other jacks do. Of course, he'll wreck most things he gets in range of and can be hard to take down if you play it right so it's not a total wash.

>> No.31316599

This is a fair argument, but keep in mind the story tellers and Mohsar are fallible and don't always know what they're talking about.

Its still entirely possible for the void to be just another part of of Urcaen. The part where the Skorne gods should be but aren't. Otherwise, where would they go?

Sadly, there is no definitive answer or source. Maybe Makeda will learn something in her invasion of Ios.

>> No.31316671

Isn't the Void the dimension that Bane's are pulled from?

>> No.31316710

the choir don't care who's in battlegroup, they'll buff any (Menoth) jack

>> No.31316711

I believe so.

>> No.31316743

Doug Seacat made a post on the PP forums saying that the Void that the Banes are from isn't the Void that the Skorne go to, and that giving them the same name was an oversight on his part.
Source is somewheres in here: http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?77295-Doug-Seacat-on

>> No.31316756

Whether the Void and the void are the same thing is unknown. The void that banes are pulled from is the space between Caen and Urcaen. Whether the Void that Skorne souls go to has any relation beyond the name is pure speculation.

>> No.31317045

So if i want to go jack heavy harkevich at 35 points, how should i go about it? ivan is auto include, should i go the juggernaut spam route or devastator and demolisher?

>> No.31317076

What's the goal?

piece trades of scenario win?
determine that first and go in that direction.

>> No.31317158

how does this look for a scenario game?
System: Warmachine
Faction: Khador
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Kommander Harkevich, the Iron Wolf (*5pts)
* Black Ivan (10pts)
* Conquest (19pts)
* Juggernaut (7pts)
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts)

>> No.31317186

I think my Saeryn would fucking love to face that. Easiest win ever.

>> No.31317212

well, whats the issue with it?

>> No.31317254


>Keep in mind no one really even knows what the 'Void' is.

The Void has very specifically been outlined as a "crack" between Caen and Urcaen. It's a real "place". There have only been three figures in the fluff who actually seem to know what the Void is and how it works: Goreshade, Mordikaar, and Lich Lord Tenebrous.

>but since they have no gods to look after their souls when they die, they end in the Wilds and their souls get devoured by the Devourer.

If they were eaten by the Devourer Wurm then there would be no Void Spirits.

>My favorite question though, is who actually created the Skorne and what happened to them? Why did they abandon their children to such a terrible fate?

I like to think that the Skorne killed their gods, and that they were purposefully forgotten. My least favourite theory is the one where people just simply sum them up as "proto-elves" that the Iosan gods had made before making elves. It's a boring explanation and a contradictory one at that.

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I don't know if someone needs this or not, but I'll post anyway. Also - Argus do have animus, just not on this picture

Animus - Hound
Cheap, meadium range and Offensive(!)
If hit enemy modle advances, this model can advance short distance after that. Once per turn only.

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>> No.31318375

Thoughts on these Morty lists?

Tiers: 3
Master Necrotech Mortenebra (*4pts)
* Helldiver (3pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Deathjack (11pts)
* Leviathan (8pts)
* Slayer (5pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Which of these two are better?
Tiers: 4
Master Necrotech Mortenebra (*4pts)
* Helldiver (3pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Deathjack (11pts)
* Harrower (9pts)
* Harrower (9pts)
* Slayer (5pts)
* Slayer (5pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Master Necrotech Mortenebra (*4pts)
* Deathripper (4pts)
* Helldiver (3pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Deathjack (12pts)
* Leviathan (9pts)
* Nightmare (10pts)
Satyxis Blood Witches (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts)
* Satyxis Blood Hag (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Meant for Steamroller pair with eGaspy (vs. anti-infantry, Menoth).

>> No.31318469
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Starting Khador for my first army. Starting with:

Man o War Shock Troops (5)
4 Widowmakers
Widowmaker marksman solo

What do you think? Is this an ok starter list?

>> No.31319762

Too many jacks for Sorscha.

>> No.31319857

Not him, but if trying to keep costs down, would starting with that half of the 2 player box then buying the Widowmakers and Marksman be ok? I'm in the same boat and looking at how to add to the 2 player box.

>> No.31320655

So... are you just trying to pick a fight then? Anyway, The Skorne Void and the the void where Banes come from are not the same place. See: >>31316743

As for Void Spirits, they specifically appear when a Sacral Stone is destroyed. Which is something that holds a Skorne soul upon death and stops it from going into the Void. Whatever/wherever that may be.

>> No.31320843

>As for Void Spirits, they specifically appear when a Sacral Stone is destroyed.
You're thinking of a Kovaas. Void Spirits are skorne spirits who have returned from the void, driven insane and murderous from their time there.

>> No.31321054

Would it not be better to be simply erased from existence after you die than to be sent to the void (hell) for all eternity?

At least the Iosians have a chance to find their missing gods and maybe restore their pantheon to order. The Skorne? Unless they can be accepted by other gods like Morrow, they are totally screwed.

>> No.31321219

>great model
>shit rules

>> No.31321406


>> No.31321869

There's a mistake in her card, she actually has three ranged weapons.

So she's a far better shot then she looks, because she can just ruin things.

There's also some interesting theories about bouncing shots from her long leash griffon(since you measure control, she can shoot the griffon 16 inches away), missing him then hitting whatever it's in melee with.

>> No.31321937

Too many points invested.

Also, this is shit for scenario games. You take jacks with Bulldoze if you want scenario.
Also you have so many jacks, especially the motherfucking conquest and have no mechanics.

Never half ass the winterguard. They are pointless without the attachment at the very least and Joesef should almost always be on them. They are gonna die.

if you want to scenario with Hark and Winterguard at 35, go with this at the very least.
Points: 35/35
Kommander Harkevich, the Iron Wolf (*5pts)
* Black Ivan (10pts)
* Demolisher (9pts)
* Demolisher (9pts)
Battle Mechaniks (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts)
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard (2pts)
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich (2pts)

>> No.31323712

Yeah. it would be ok. Winter guard+UA+Kovnik Joe after that. You want to replace the MoWs. Basically they're not terrible, but they need a lot of help that Sorscha can't give.

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Two days, motherfuckers.

>> No.31324788

caster seems boring as fuck

>> No.31324820

Why do you say that?

I like defensive tactics, and he seems to be just the right mix: enough defensive tech to really feel that way, but not so hamstrung with defensive abilities he can't make an effective offense.

>> No.31324872

boring safe pick in a boring safe meta.

>> No.31324900

That doesn't explain WHY you think he is boring.

>> No.31324926

I just hate how frail and clumsy the model looks. Definitely needs to be reposed.

>> No.31324937

That explains nothing at all. What about him is boring?

Are you saying he's boring to pick because he's clearly the best choice? I'd argue with that, the big deal with Lucant is that he's such a damn meta-breaker for a lot of the big armies right now.

>> No.31324972

I like the insect-like appearance, myself.

Yea, he does look a little clumsy with his foot in the air like that. but we'll see how the model is to build when it hits.

>> No.31325358

He also won Iron Gauntlet, pKreoss and eGaspy if I recall correctly. I am happy for him, he is a local player, and it is nice to see him finally win a major event - he is a fantastic player (as proved this weekend).

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Awww yeah. Pre-Alpha gameplay footage.

Looks like the game is coming along pretty well. When is it supposed to be released, again? I can't remember.

>> No.31327249

What do you guys use to transport your minis? I've been shopping around lately. Battlefoam seems really expensive, but my friend swears by it. I could use some more opinions though.

>> No.31327257


>> No.31327264

Currently looks to be 3rd Quarter this year.

>> No.31327422

You can pick up a Sword bag for about $60. It won't carry your faction, but I currently carry 6 casters, 5 max units with UAs, 3-4 min units, 5 or so light jacks and a couple heavies and 10 or so solos with no problem. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than $130 for a Warmachine bag with pluck foam.

The only issue is that sometimes you have to remember how everything fits, but I wasn't planning on spending more than $60 on foam.

>> No.31327505

I use the Battlefoam P.A.C.K 1520 and I think it was money well spent. It has rollers, enough room for dice, all the books you need, templates, etc. It is also pretty durable.

>> No.31327537

>spending $300 on foam

>> No.31327610

The bag without the foam is $160 USD.


With the foam it's $210 USD.


Where the hell are you getting $300 from?

>> No.31327634

I assumed you'd be going for a custom load-out. Why would you spend this much money though, when you could get the Warmachine bag for less?

>> No.31327664

Because my entire collection won't fit in the Warmachine bag.

It will fit, however, in the 1520 XL, along with all my books and peripherals, which is super convenient for me. Especially since it has roller wheels.

>> No.31327678

>along with all my books
Why do you keep saying you need books? You don't need books for Warmachine.

>> No.31327716

You need them for theme lists and rules (unless you have Warroom, which I don't and don't feel the need to get).

So, since I have nothing else to keep in the side pockets of my bag, I just keep my books in the bag instead of on a shelf at home.

>> No.31327991

PDF mustard race

>> No.31328192

I can't imagine how terrible skorne sex would be?

>> No.31328215

It involves seven different hooks, two sets of pliers, and an apple pie.

Don't ask what the pie is for.

>> No.31328527

It is strange, they aren't Dark Eldar, so they aren't ALL MUST BE PAIN TO BE AMUSING. They just have a strict caste system, and want to be important enough to be remembered when they die.

Like, I bet their culture still leads to some rather weird sex (don't date a paingiver), but at least it isn't 'rape is how you say I love you' levels.

>> No.31328655

>want to be the very best and be remembered
someone post that "best at sex" oglaf

>> No.31328794

This also reminds me that I was going to write a 'Paingiver has a Vassal of Menoth girlfriend/slave' story, but then I ended up writing that AndreiXGastone instead.

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Just getting into warmachine. This is my first paint job for anything. It's not much but I'm pretty happy with it.

>> No.31329362

looks pretty nice, actually probably better and cleaner than most of my stuff

>> No.31329648

I'm writing this as a smutfic for the next week to post on the Weekend smut threads. I will let you know when it's done

>> No.31330508

I play trolls, is it possible to get a load out on a sword bag that'll handle all my medium based dudes? Also you got a link to the sword bag site?

>> No.31330564

I don't know; I run Cryx infantry. Some of it doesn't fit in quite right, but most of it squeezes into the small trays (as I said, it takes a little finagling.

>> No.31330800

So, I just got the black 13th in the mail from a seller on ebay, it only came with one base though... is that normal?

>> No.31330934

Thanks for clarifying that, I did mean Void Spirits. Which, in my opinion, are still souls that went to Urcaen and ended up in the Wilds. This isn't necessarily the end for them though. While it is likely they may end up getting devoured we have tons of evidence of souls returning to Caen. Void Spirits are one such example, just hyped up on soul murder.

Still all of this is up to interpretation. Until those crazy bastards figure it all out and conquer the world anyway.

>> No.31330972

ofcourse not. Ask the pp front desk send you 2 more bases for your B13

>> No.31331104

I'm this guy: >>31327505

I have my entire Trollbloods/Minions collection in my bag (about 160 models or so) and still have some room to spare. If you get a the 1520 XL, I would recommend getting the empty bag and just buying pluck foam (or whatever) from some other sources. The pluck foam they include in the pluck foam package includes trays that don't hold as much as they could. Some of their trays have pluck foam where each piece you take out is like, .5". You could get more space from different brands of foam.

>> No.31331145


>> No.31331238

So, I got all of the kickstarter mini's. What do?

>> No.31331303

Put them together and paint them. Then play them, if you want.

>> No.31331360

Put them together and play them. Then paint them, if you want.

>> No.31331380

paint them really shitty so those who don't have them can get jelly and cringe.

>> No.31331467

Instead, I'll give my five cents on the models.

First assembled were the casters (Sturgis and the Corrupted). Fairly straightforward, but the Corrupted was a touch annoying to pin. The blade is separated from the arm at the wrist, and because small joint, mediocre difficulty to work around.
Next was Aiakos and the menoth jr. Aiakos was fantastic, actually. Nothing pinned, and it all holds like a dream. Shitty hair on the model, but w.e. Tristan was alright, a little annoyed at the bendy spear, but was overall not too annoyed. Didn't pin the stacks on his back, but fuck that noise.
Started working on Allison (Cygnar Jr), Andrei and Crosse today. Andrei was fairly straightforward, a little annoyed at his simplicity. Crosse was easy enough, but a lot of shit on the model, and a bendy dagger which made me sad. Allison is... I want to say straightforward enough, but the one pinning joint is a little tricky. Almost went too deep.
Elara is for tomorrow.

>> No.31332255

>Andrei was fairly straightforward, a little annoyed at his simplicity
Why? I would think ease of assembly would be a good thing.

>> No.31332411

I pin everything unless it's truly redundant or the model design is nice. Almost every Infinity model I own is pinned, and I found it almost useless when doing Andrei. The others needed a few things pinned, IMO, like Tristan. Andrei was just a boring assembly. There wasn't anything neat about it, so before I finish painting him, I'm going to be doing some silly basing.

>> No.31333326

Just starting gluing Tristan, fuck his spear with a passion.

>> No.31334219

>There's also some interesting theories about bouncing shots from her long leash griffon
>(since you measure control, she can shoot the griffon 16 inches away)

This is so wrong it hurts. Long Leash only doubles the control area when checking to see if the model is in the control area. Jesus Christ people are stupid.

>> No.31334220


They are nice bags with nice foam. Too bad Romeo is a douche, I can't support him.

>> No.31334254


She would be great if she wasn't forced to take fucking griffons.

>> No.31334266

Tristan was a lot easier than I thought he would be. Just a little greenstuff and he's pretty easy. The hardest part may of been the smokestacks for his boilers.

Now Elara, fuck that stupid bitch with a rake

>> No.31334334


>So... are you just trying to pick a fight then? Anyway, The Skorne Void and the the void where Banes come from are not the same place

I searched most of that thread, and saw no acknowledgement of the two places being different things. On the first page, Seacat even acknowledges that Mordikaar would probably have a great conversation with certain Cryx individuals regarding the void.

>As for Void Spirits, they specifically appear when a Sacral Stone is destroyed.

Kovaas are the only things that SOMETIMES come out of sacral stones when they are destroyed. Void Spirits are unholy abominations from the Void that only Mordikaar really knows about or how to reliably summon and control them.

>> No.31334427
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Alright everyone, decision time: Do you prefer Warmachine or Hordes, and why? Myself, I play Hordes because i like how ridiculous Fury can get, and I like the flavor of warbeasts more than warjacks

>> No.31334475

Warmachine, because pseudo-intelligent steam-powered robots are way cooler than big lizards.

>> No.31334553

The quote your looking for is this one:
>As to whether that place is the same as the dreaded fate the skorne expect to face if their souls are not preserved in sacral stones, there is similarly no one in any position to say with any certainty. While the skorne have an advanced and sophisticated body of occult lore, their awareness
of the afterlife and Urcaen in particular is extremely lacking. It would be difficult to determine with any certainty whether the destination of their souls is the wilds of Urcaen, the source of the banes, or somewhere else. They just know it is terrible and to be avoided if at all possible.

Basically, no one knows for sure and we can only go on theories.

If we look at how the world works and what happens to souls when the living dies we can infer that the Skorne 'Void' is likely the Wilds of Urcaen. It seems unlikely that every single Skorne soul would somehow fall into the cracks between life and death.

Again, theories though. Either one of us could be right.

As for the Kovaas/Void Spirit thing, I got my Angry Skorne Ghosts mixed up. My mistake See: >>31330934

>> No.31334588

Don't care.

Trying to differentiate the two as two separate entities is dumb anyway.

>> No.31334706

>Too bad Romeo is a douche
How so?

>> No.31334803

My issue was that the staff was twisted and a little off, so i had to budge it until it fit the gap properly. Everything else was pretty good, the stacks are just a touch fragile. I wanted to pin the stacks, but fuck it. Working on the last two models, probably just cleaning up Elara before I touch her. She doesn't look too bad, though.

>> No.31334931


It wouldn't seem inappropriate for their to be a sect of courtesans and concubines within the worker caste that specializes in emphasizing sexual pleasure. Though, due to slavery influx, I could also see a very harem based system as well.

>> No.31335020

They've got an underlying cultural tendency toward asceticism and denial of comforts and pleasures. I really don't see them having much of a courtesan thing going on.

>> No.31335096
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Warmachine. I got in for the big stompy robots, I stayed for the wall of disposable conscripts. When I first started, I was really disappointed that Khador was terrible with jacks and relied heavily on infantry. The longer I play, the more I enjoy having piles of dudes.

>> No.31335101


Hordes, personally. After playing Circle for 4 years and dabbling with a bit of Warmachine, I find Focus to be incredibly restricting. I like it when my heavies and lights can do what I need them to do when the game is on the wire.

>> No.31336106

A plastic tool box with 2-3" thick upholstery foam. Works well, and is cheaper than Battlefoam.

>> No.31336226

Why choose? That's why I run Minions and Mercs: So I can, and do, work for/with anybody and everybody.

>> No.31336521

Warmachine, because I ENJOY playing with Infantry.

>> No.31336607

How is eMadrak, /tg/? Thinking about getting into trolls, and he's the caster I'd be starting with.

>> No.31336667

>Hierarchy of Obligation for Protectorate
>Duty to God
>Duty to God
>You haven't given enough to God.
>Nope, you still got your duty.

>> No.31336759


Google "Romeo battlefoam" (you don't even have to add the douche) and Google will do the rest.

Guy has a massive history of being a dick and trouble just follows him around. Read the depositions in the lawsuit that named him. Some well known/respected name pretty much called him out for being a douche under oath as well.

He always seems like he's putting out social fires of his own doing and I imagine most of his life is one long, anger driven emergency. This is from seeing him in action in person as well.

Anyways, I don't buy from him on that fact, regardless of how the bags are. I'd rather give just buy my own foam and make my own cases. Hell it's a lot cheaper and you can custom fit as many bags as you need.

>> No.31336779


He's a lot of fun and if people don't have a lot of experience against him, you'll shock the shit out of them.

Right now, I think he wants;


>> No.31336959


He is 'generally' accepted as Trollbloods' best warlock.

>> No.31337058



Shit Tier
- Night Troll
- Bouncer
- Thumper
- Sluggers
- Bushwackers
- Winter Troll
- Skinner

Not Very Good Tier
- Mountain King
- Blitzer
- Swamp Troll
- Gunnbjorn
- Non-Epic Doomshaper (except for Runes of War theme list, then he is great)



>> No.31337064

I'm kinda carefully looking forward to this thing. I'd like more strategy games, and warmachine looks like it might satisfy that itch for a bit.

>> No.31337199

I prefer hordes, because I also prefer fury over focus and also monsters. I also like how they focus more on the monsters without gimping themselves on infantry.

>> No.31337218

Considering how much people had to argue to get to that list, I would consider the list itself pretty retarded.

>> No.31337377

Was thinking of a brick style list that could demolish heavy units or jacks/beasts at 35 points that's different from my usual list. What does /tg/ think about this?

System: Hordes
Faction: Legion of Everblight
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight (*5pts)
* Carnivean (11pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Scythean (9pts)
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
* Warspear Chieftan (2pts)

My fear is I don't have enough units on the board, but the warspears will have armor 18 against melee, and having spiny growth to put on my beasts or chieftan gives them a pretty defensive option. I have a good mix of range and melee, and if I get the first hit in it could be kinda brutal.

My other thought was replacing the warspears with striders+UA and a shepherd to keep the fury non existent on the ravagore.

>> No.31337560

Can they really make a brick with 14/18?

>> No.31337607

At 25 it's decently bricky for everblight and mobility. I know it's not skorne or anything.

I might just scrap it and stick with Saeryn and start learning Evayl. I'm still pretty new to the game. and am also looking for tips.

>> No.31337747

35 rather

>> No.31337807

With Gatorman Posse you can rise it up to 15/18 (shooting) or 13/20(melee). But I like Legionnaires + Vessel more. Since they can strike back - with Vengeance for living or Spawn Horror for dead

>> No.31337839

I've tried that list a few times. It seems to always fall apart because the legionnaires all die in a turn or two. And then it becomes possible to hold scenarios with more than one potential objective.

>> No.31338020

>Another, equally possible, theory is that they were created by the Iosan gods as a kind of test run before they went on to create the elves.

That theory makes sense since elf souls go into the void too now that their gods are dead.

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>play Circle
>we get pretty sweet new Argus and Griffon
>Una is eh except for her gun
>in a moment of weakness, I decide to see what the forums think
>there's a thread dedicated to making Circle gunline lists
>one guy says Una has potential with Grayle because of Storm Rager
>another thinks that Long Leash extends Una's CTRL gun as well

I really needed that reminder of how fucking stupid the forums are, now I can safely stay away from there for the rest of my life.

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>tfw your preferred faction has a non retarded forum.

>> No.31338205


That theory doesn't make sense because it's already explicitly said that humans were the template race for the elves in the Retribution book. Also elven souls don't go to the void, but instead wander Urcaen without the guidance of their gods. A lot of these souls don't end up finding the elven afterlife, and so the souls can't be "reincarnated" into new elves, and so we have soulless.

>> No.31338209

>Also elven souls don't go to the void

Goreshade, one of the three canon void experts, disagrees.

>> No.31338214

Kara Sloan
Journeyman Warcaster
Storm Lances

Can I get a proper 25pts off these models or do I need something else?

>> No.31338222

go to forward kommander and try to make 25 points

>> No.31338225

System: Warmachine
Faction: Kreoss3 - Revelations of the Creator
Casters: 1/1
Points: 45/50
Tiers: 3
Intercessor Kreoss (*5pts)
* Fire of Salvation (8pts)
Exemplar Vengers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (11pts)
Exemplar Vengers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (11pts)
Flame Bringers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (10pts)
Flame Bringers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (10pts)

Should I take Gravus so I can have all the horses or a minimum choir and both vassals for Fire of Salvation?

>> No.31338244

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cygnar
Casters: 1/1
Points: 32/50
Commander Coleman Stryker (*6pts)
* Charger (4pts)
* Charger (4pts)
* Lancer (6pts)
* Squire (2pts)
Stormblade Infantry (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Stormguard (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Major Katherine Laddermore (5pts)

>> No.31338257

>one guy says Una has potential with Grayle because of Storm Rager
>another thinks that Long Leash extends Una's CTRL gun as well
Interesting. I see the topic you're talking about, but can't find messages you are referring to. Care to provide a direct link?

>> No.31338262


Goreshade studies the Void in order to better understand what was happening to the elves. He believes that this MIGHT be the place that the elven souls are disappearing to. Which is why he studied it so fanatically. I don't think any of the Banes we've seen have been elves in their past life either. The "Cryx" void is like the traditional Judeo-Christian hell for Warmachine, it's a prison for damned souls. Is that where the lost elven souls eventually end up? Maybe. But it is also described that the elven souls wind up in Urcaen, don't see anything to guide them and then sometimes get lost in the wilds. The thing with the lost elven souls and the Iosan gods is that ultimately NO ONE knows what is really happening.

>> No.31338281


One of them is on the last page of the "A thought on our lesser warlock thread", the Grayle one I can't remember it was either that one too or one of the threads about the Argus or Griffon.

>> No.31338325

Eh, I could see Una as a suiciadal stormrager target. A model can still boost even with her stupid melee stats. It's not ideal, then again you are fucking taking Una.

Gunline is actually a thought worth exploring due to the new argus and griffon. double zephyr wold shrimps and E morvahnna already made the reeves + wolves thing work, why not press it further?

>> No.31338396


>Circle gunline

Listen, Skorne got a Black Spot caster, Slingers, Cyclops Raider, and the Mammother in the last two books, and they still only have like, ONE decent gunline list. One fucking good Argus does not a viable gunline make. Circle is still 100% the least ranged oriented Hordes faction.

>> No.31338507

it's not about turning it into a faction thing. It's about making a list.

>> No.31338566


Have at it then

>> No.31338586

fuck that.

>> No.31339287

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cygnar
Casters: 1/1
Points: 25/25
Captain Kara Sloan (*6pts)
* Charger (4pts)
* Charger (4pts)
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (4pts)
Storm Lances (Leader and 2 Grunts) (7pts)
Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire (4pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Major Katherine Laddermore (5pts)

>> No.31339632

System: Warmachine
Faction: Testament - Reliquary Guard (NQ49)
Casters: 1/1
Points: 50/50
Tiers: 4
Testament of Menoth (*6pts)
* Reckoner (8pts)
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts)
Exemplar Bastions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Exemplar Vengers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (11pts)
Knights Exemplar (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts)
Knights Exemplar (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts)
High Paladin Dartan Vilmon (3pts)
Paladin of the Order of the Wall (2pts)
Paladin of the Order of the Wall (2pts)
Vassal Mechanik (1pts)
Vassal of Menoth (2pts)
Vessel of Judgement (9pts)

What needs to be changed?

>> No.31339751

If I used the shield cannon on the Man O War shock trooper, would I still be able to shield wall?

>> No.31339821


>> No.31339847

Thanks, still very new to this. Also what point value should my friends and I be building towards? We have only gotten battle boxes so far.

>> No.31340020

Start aiming for 15 points, then 25, then 35, then 50.

Most tournaments are 35 or 50 points, and allow you to take 2-3 lists.

>> No.31340098

Moonraker Puppy just opens up the ranged open a bit more.
Kromac and eKrueger already ran somewhat ranged-oriented armies, and eMorvahna had a couple of pretty solid ranged builds as well. This just makes them better.

Una is fucking awful though, and the new Griffon isn't amazing. The animus isn't too bad on the rotterhorn, but it's rarely going to be worth paying 4 points for it.

>> No.31340985
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>dat ass

>> No.31341167

That's a middle-aged woman.

>> No.31341187


Sigourney Weaver is in her 60s and no man who isn't gay would turn that shit down.

>> No.31341230

She has a pancake butt.

>> No.31341247

She is in her mid thirty. Not that old

>> No.31341738


Didn't Caine or some random Trencher hit that--then left it--which made her the fiery bitch she is today?

>> No.31341767

Caine hit her with a bullet, yes.

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Nah, she became fiery bitch far earlier. Episode with Caine - from Sul siege, just prior to her transition into epic status

>> No.31341898

Who is the most bad ass character in fluff and why is it King Vinter Raelthorne IV?

>> No.31341929
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Because you like him. CO

>> No.31341968

Caine shot her earlier too, when the Cygnarans were tracking the Cortex smugglers and found out that the Protectorate is preparing for war.

>> No.31341983

Hierarch Garrick Voyle. His faith is so strong that he can make the impossible possible.

>> No.31342013
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I like how they are making efforts to make these people look like they could actually fit into what they're wearing.

Even the Cinerators don't look to terribly out of whack.

>> No.31342205
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Can't remember that. Source?

>> No.31342579


I should clarify--when I say "Hit that" I mean, as in a sexual encounter involving penetration of her vaginal area :).

I swear I remember something about her background--where she had a Cygnar love interest that turned bad.

>> No.31343184


>> No.31343364

Not every female Warmachine character is hopelessly in love with some guy.

>> No.31343545

>So I just got a unit of Knights Exemplar, these guys are jack/beast killers, right?

They're guided missiles.

Trying to kill a jack/beast with JUST your Knights Exemplar generally won't work because most of the time, you won't have enough space available to get them all within engagement range of a single heavy.

What they are good at, however, is going at DIFFERENT targets and delivering a single powerful blow. The next turn, they will all likely die.

So instead of trying to gang up on a single heavy, spread them out and look for targets of opportunity.

Enemy heavy close to death? Send a Knight or two after him to knock out a column or block some LoS.

Enemy medium based infantry giving you a hard time? Toss some Knights at them.

Annoying enemy solo? Toss a Knight at it.

>> No.31343748

So If i wanted to start Ret.

What are the must haves?

>> No.31343805


Well, I swear I can remember some fluff centered around her entertaining a love interest with a Cygnar Trencher--I'll have to search my old Warmachine books.

>> No.31343826

Are you thinking about Sloan, the Cyngar caster?

Who's in a relationship with a Trencher commando that she wants to keep secret?

>> No.31343861

Issyria, Eiryss, Phoenix, Halberdiers + UA, Mage Hunter Strike Force + UA, Houseguard Thane, Adeptis Rahn, Imperatus, Mage Hunter Assassins.

Those are the core of the faction. That's not to say that other things are bad, but the things listed above are going to be your moneymakers.

>> No.31343875

Mage Hunter Strike Force with UA
Shyheel Battle Mages
Mage Hunter Assassin
Dawn guard Sentinels or Houseguard Halbadiers with UAs
Eiryss 2.
Stormfall Archers

This is probably the smallest list I can give you.

>> No.31343936

You are lucky enough to be starting Ret right after they "won" the latest release cycle. Ret got a huge amount of fantastic stuff in Vengeance, and it has really shored them up as a faction. They have most of the tools to play with the "big boys" now.

Good casters:
Issyria (the new one)
Ravyn, if only for SnipeFeatGo

Good jacks:
Imperatus (their new Character jack)
Daemons love to get marshalled

Good units:
all with UAs if applicable

Houseguard Thane
Pain Knight
Eiryss (all of them)

>> No.31343956


Nah, this is old school fluff--way back when she was introduced. About the same time they released that pDenny atrocity where she was giving a trencher head to get information (I'm not joking).

>> No.31344057

Oh brilliant thanks for the info

>> No.31344206

>Good Jacks
>No mention of Banshee
>Good Solos

>> No.31344234

Oh wait shit, I thought Narn was that one soulless guy with the big sword, not the elf-ninja. Disregard that. But still Banshee, though.

>> No.31344270

I don't actually play Ret, but my roommate does. He doesn't have a Banshee yet, though, so I can't really evaluate it.

>> No.31344390


>> No.31344464
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>> No.31344494

At least you have a forum that's not pants on head retarded. Cryx is essentially bronies, Trollbloods are sometimes interesting, and the Khador forums perpetually bitch about having so little to work with.

>> No.31344591


Nah, it was a story where the Trencher "Gasped in delight" as she got information out of him. When I'm home I'll try to search Legends--I even remember the PP boards reacting pretty strangely to the story as it was blurbed on the main page.

>> No.31344602

I think it's in the original pDenny vs pHaley story, but I could be wrong.

>> No.31344741


Yeah perhaps, what book was that?

>> No.31344860
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It seems more like a mistake in retelling. Indeed there was that story in Escalation ( >>31344464 or this ), but sexual scenes wasn't implied, only light seduction. AFAIK

>> No.31345432

If you have Escalation or other Mk1 books in good quality, it would be friendly to share it.

>> No.31345622

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cygnar
Casters: 1/1
Points: 25/25
Commander Coleman Stryker (*6pts)
* Charger (4pts)
* Lancer (6pts)
Storm Lances (Leader and 2 Grunts) (7pts)
Stormguard (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Major Katherine Laddermore (5pts)

Friendly tournament coming up, will this work? I'm sort of afraid that I lack the power to get a bigger jack down.

>> No.31345688
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No problem

MK I Apotheosis.pdf
MK I Escalation.pdf
MK I Evolution.pdf
MK I Legends.pdf
MK I Metamorphos.pdf
MK I Superiority.pdf

>> No.31346133


>> No.31346300

>Cryx is essentially bronies
Cryx is far worse than JUST bronies. They keep spouting bad memes, like "30 BANEZ," "MOAR BANEZ," "ESKARRE IS TERRIBLE" and the like. They have no tact, no wit, and try to purport that terrible models and strategies are good, because they are their pet ideas they are trying to make big.

There is no forum worse than the Cryx subforum.

>> No.31346385

The people who actually write the faction guides (Lamoran, Midnight Carnival and such) are usually pretty cool, but the rest of the forum could fall into a sinkhole and the world would not have lost anything of value.

>> No.31346518

Lamoron and MC aren't bad at all, and I think that The Overseer is actually a treasure trove of fairly good advice though.

FUCK Sanctjud though, he personifies everything that is wrong with those forums.

>> No.31346539

Thanks anon! If you're the anon I think you are, would you happen to have PDF quality on Gargantuans?

>> No.31346620
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Gargantuans MKII.pdf

>> No.31347957


Nah, it was something else--I did a short search on Privateer and there's another guy in this thread that remembers it (Name of the thread is bad bits of the fluff);


Can't find the damn thing though! This was before they redid their website

>> No.31347989

So I'm a beginner player. My current list is

Steelhead Halberdiers + Riflemen

How should I fill the four points to round this out to 35 points, Gentlemen?

>> No.31348049

>They keep spouting bad memes, like "30 BANEZ," "MOAR BANEZ,"

Sounds like the rump-ruptured Cryx haters on /tg/ to me.

>> No.31348363

Gorman 2pts
Saxon Orrik 2pts

>> No.31348387

do you want to do a steelhead theme or just a well rounded list?
Steelhead Riflemen are excellent with him either way, but you can choose to run Gun Mages instead. I'm not sure how many points you are off, but I think Moneyshot/Deadeye are too good to ignore.

>> No.31348410

Gorman and Silly Willy.

>> No.31348510

For the future, when you start expanding, I'd look at Rocinante for sure, Steelhead Cav are amazing when flanking something engaged by Halbs, and if you play Highborn, Gunmages with a Mule is always amazing with Deadeye on his spell card.

Deadeye'd gunmages kill things, and a Mule with Snipe is just mean.

>> No.31348550

Why Orrik over the Piper? I heard the piper is practically always great to take, but I haven't tried him yet... Gorman is definitely on my list.
Just a well-rounded list. I'd like to take the riflemen though because I love the models (and because I already own them)
Definitely looking into those! Thank you!

>> No.31348557

It's pretty much a meme at this point, no one can actually be serious about giving such awful advice.

Yes, I know, quantity has a quality all it's own, but spamming a mediocre unit is not the way to win games. It's a great way to cue people in to the fact that you are a mindless forumite, though!

>> No.31348883


>Calls Bane Thralls a mediocre unit
>Cryx player detected :)

>> No.31349235

Thanks, anon.

>> No.31349240

Coincidentally, yes.

But let's face it, victim stats, and Tough and Stealth, while two of the best defensive tricks in the game, are getting more and more "outs" in every faction. Thralls get buttfucked by anything that ignores stealth, does blast damage, or out-threats 8.5 inches. Newsflash: most factions can do that.

Knights and Satyxis Raiders are better units by an order of magnitude. Thralls are still decent, and you take them as a second wave (or to provide spot Dark Shrouds), but they aren't the boogeyman most of the internet thinks they are. That, and most of their power comes from the UA, which is FA:1, so you can't even spam them without playing Shade1.

>> No.31349279

Also, should state, Cryx isn't my main. I am a Menite through and through, Cryx is my second army, and I bought in for the Babes. Redhead Satyxis army is best pirate army.

>> No.31349311

Except if people realized why Cryx was good, they wouldn't complain about Banez so much, nor harp them. They're great, but the Knights are better than the Thralls, the Raiders are better than both, and they can't hit for shit without Tartarus.
Sanctjud seriously gives such awful advice. I feel that he single-handedly has influenced the Cryx forums in such a terrible direction.
Banes are great, but they aren't game-breaking. Cryx 'casters are what are game-breaking, and Satyxis Raiders are as well.

>> No.31349420

>Redhead Satyxis army is best pirate army

Satyxis are shitty pirates, revenant warcaster when?

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>high enough armor to shrug off aoes
>weapon master on average mat
>free stand up after tough
>victim stats.

>> No.31349688

6 is barely average MAT, average MAT is like 6.5. Bane Thralls can't hit for shit.

>> No.31349728

Yeah, hitting DEF 13 on average dice is horrible and Cryx doesn't have any notable debuffs to help them hit easier.

>> No.31349777

Exemplar Errants will wreck Bane Thralls any day of the week.

>> No.31349782

it's weird how there's no such stat as 6.5 in any cards.

5,6,7 are the most common mat values in the game. 7 being reserved for jacks, casters, and elite infantry or solos.

>> No.31349822

Being cryxian is suffering.

>> No.31349842

>laughing Skorne Tyrants.jpg

>> No.31349861

>it's weird how there's no such stat as 6.5 in any cards.
>not understanding what I said
Average MAT is 6 or 7. Lots of units with MAT6 have some built-in way to make up for low MAT (Gang, CMA).

Almost nothing has MAT5 that doesn't have some major reason for having MAT5 (McThralls costing .5pt/head and having 2 initials with good POW, etc, etc).

MAT6 with no built-in MAT buff is on the low-end of average.

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-mostly- finished harkevich, gibe review

>> No.31349924

Only in a Cryx world would someone call a unit that is Tough, Shakes Stationary and Knock down effects, has a built in Dark Shroud, Weapon Masters, Undead, Stealth, Arm 15 to AOE, a UA Standard that has a weapon, an Officer that not only gains a MAT but also another attack....mediocre.

Then you add in the support they have available in their faction. Must be tough being a Cryx player :)

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fine then tartarus, crippling grasp, shadowbind, marked for death exists if you are gonna bring hit modifiers into the discussions. CMA and gang does not mean mat 7.

there's no way in hell mat 7 is average, Plenty of models do fine without innate 6 + hit built in.

>> No.31350005

Why so smurf?

also green + red is very clashing.

>> No.31350041
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Yes. Bane Thralls are mediocre. They aren't bad, but aren't good either. Cryx have good units that is not B.Thralls.
As for your list - "the grass is always greener on the other side"

>> No.31350049

But it's not SPD7+2, DEF14-16, immune to blast, Reach, 2 Initials, Feeback, Crit:KD, Pathfinder, and Power Swell.

And it's also not Ghostly, Vengeance, Reach, Weapon Master.

In-faction, there are both better and worse options than Bane Thralls. Therefore, they're mediocre.

>> No.31350076

>there's no way in hell mat 7 is average, Plenty of models do fine without innate 6 + hit built in.
Name specific units.

>> No.31350139


So, compare them to something amazing like a full Satyxis boat with UA and therefore mediocre. Gotcha.

An Earthborn is mediocre because Mulg. Gotcha.

Bane Thrall is a very good unit, in a faction with amazing units. That doesn't make it mediocre, that makes Cryx a fully fleshed out faction.

I guess that's why we don't see Bane Thralls taken very often, they're so mediocre :).

>> No.31350181

can anyone sum up khador for me? I was thinking of getting into this game and liked the fluff of these guys but would like to know how they play/win

>> No.31350206

Do you like running two jacks at most? Do you like butcher 3? Do you like lots of infantry? Do you like russians and vodka?

>> No.31350214

Lots of infantry. Powerful casters in melee.

>> No.31350248

Khador is infantry heavy, you dont really get to run all jacks at all unless you really like playing only karchev, We have some pretty good ranged game and good to excellent melee, and our infantry, especially Winter Guard are cheap and very effective. No light jacks, only heavy

>> No.31350286


Speaking of red.....

BUTCHERRRRRRRRR is about ready to rock. Now to paint his buddies. Here are my pairings;

Kommander Zoktavir, The Butcher Unleashed (*4pts)
* Berserker (6pts)
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen (Alexia and 9 Risen Grunts) (5pts)
Greylord Ternion (Leader and 2 Grunts) (4pts)
Iron Fang Pikemen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Black Dragon Officer & Standard (2pts)
Iron Fang Pikemen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Black Dragon Officer & Standard (2pts)
Widowmakers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (4pts)
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (3pts)
Iron Fang Kovnik (2pts)
Iron Fang Kovnik (2pts)
Madelyn Corbeau, Ordic Courtesan (2pts)
Ogrun Bokur (3pts)
Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator (1pts)
Saxon Orrik (2pts)

Coupled with

Kommander Sorscha (*5pts)
* Behemoth (13pts)
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker (2pts)
Herne & Jonne (3pts)
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt (4pts)
Tactical Arcanist Corps (4pts)
Widowmakers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (4pts)
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios (3pts)
Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist (2pts)
Harlan Versh (2pts)
Kell Bailoch (2pts)
Kovnik Andrei Malakov (3pts)
* Devastator (9pts)
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor (2pts)
Widowmaker Marksman (2pts)

>> No.31350315

So which is better, Bane Knights or Bane Riders?

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Forgot pic. Also in the above post--Malakov is running a Grolar, not a Devestator. Thoughts?

>> No.31350341

Theorymachine can only get you so far.

>> No.31350367

The rules have been out for quite some time now.

>> No.31350384

Still doesn't mean people have been actually playing with them. They look really good on paper, but infantry always end up being a little unpredictable in how they play out (large bases, special rules).

>> No.31350420

Too different to compare

>> No.31350449


so they can play both a shooting game and a stabbing game but don't use the robots?

>> No.31350450

Do you want good heavy cavalry or weaponmaster infantry?

>> No.31350479

Just because two units can't be directly compared doesn't mean that they can't be compared at all. There's a pretty agreed-upon power-ranking level for current Cryx infantry.

Bane Riders hit harder than Bane Knights on a charge, even factoring in Weapon Master (13+2 vs 11+3.5).

>> No.31350489

pretty much, though i would lean more towards stabby, and lots of jacks doesnt really work that well

>> No.31350490

They have some solid melee infantry (Doomreavers, Iron Fang pikemen, Kayazy), solid range (Winter Guard deathstar, Widowmakers), and their jacks tend to be slow, armored, and hit hard with below average speed and mat. Casters tend to wanna focus on buffing infantry or have lower amounts of focus which means jack spam is sub optimal.

>> No.31350726

Robots are fine. Just not more then one per list (excluding some casters)

They do different things, they have different type (cavalry vs infantry). But well, ok. I'd rank Riders higher. With answer to Covering Fire and similar effects, with high speed and with built in curse

>> No.31350729


In general, they're a faction that leans on it's casters heavily. This makes their jacks super inefficient most of the time because their Mat/Rat is super low, requiring you to boost but many of the Khador casters have amazing spells you'd rather be casting coupled with some of the lower Focus stats. On top of this, many of their best spells are better at infantry support.

Their infantry isn't "amazing" but they are definitely above average most of the time. Many of their casters make their infantry well above average however through their spells, feats and basic abilities. A lot of their infantry suffers from shitty Mat/Rat as well but volume of attacks/Buffs are much easier to come by for them.

On top of this, Khador casters are near the top of the "I can kill the fuck out of shit" category of casters. Now, don't take this to mean you should be looking to get them stuck in, unless you;re Butcher3. It just means most of their casters have a good chance of closing out a game if they need to or anchoring if they can do so and be guaranteed safety. Cryx, Trolls and sometimes Skorne are also this way with some of their casters.

In general, you run Khador as a bit a combined arms, infantry focused force and a lot of their power comes through the Synergy their casters give them. Your jacks are hard hitting but inaccurate and are best used to break heavy stuff when you can get the chance but you will rarely if ever want to play many of them unless you;re running some crazy Skew list or Karchev. Neither option is particularly great though.

>> No.31350780

Interesting - have you tested them? Would you rank them as Cryx's best infantry unit after Raiders, then?

>> No.31350903

Fennblades, Burrowers, Zealots, Clockwork Angels, Bane Knights, Mechanithralls, Sword Knights, Venator slingers, Slaughterhousers, Shyeel Battle Mages.

>> No.31350918

Can't answer this - too little experience with them yet. Bane Raiders are good, but it's hard to say yet

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>Fennblades are the best unit in all of WarmaHordes
Stopped reading there.

>> No.31351103

Where in the hell did anyone say it was about the best units in warmahordes?

>> No.31351121

>Clockwork Angels
A fucking shooting unit designed to stay at range and only go into melee with Aurora(Who gives CMA).

Really, you can flare a unit to make them MAT8 effective, but why would you ever get into melee with Angels? It's a waste of three points.

>> No.31351130

Well you SHOULD start reading, but from the top, from the prompt, instead of making up your own questions.

>> No.31351222

>Fennblades, Burrowers, Zealots, Clockwork Angels, Bane Knights, Mechanithralls, Sword Knights, Venator slingers, Slaughterhousers, Shyeel Battle Mages.
Where did he say Fennblades were the best unit in WarmaHordes?

>> No.31351269

Vengeance for 2 attacks
Run strictly for tunneling shenanigans
Pray for fervor, ranged attacks, cheap as dirt
>Clockwork Angels
Ranged attacks
>Bane Knights
Vengeance for 2 attacks
Cheap as dirt, 2 attacks
>Sword Knights
Flank, Precision Strike
>Venator Slingers
Run only for their ranged attacks
Powerful Charge
2 attacks, ranged magic ability

>> No.31351280

Sorry, second-to-last line should be
>Shyeel Battle Mages

>> No.31351375

Bane thralls
Stealth, weaponmaster, dark shroud, tough, free standing up.

I can write abilities too you know. The prompt was usable mat 6 infantry without self innate melee hit buff.

>> No.31351401

Clockwork Angels still fail that test, because they're in a faction built around Flare. They have shit MAT because they have a faction wide ability to debuff defenses.

>> No.31351416

You aren't reading correctly then. Read again, remembering that 2 MAT6 attacks hit more frequently than 1 MAT7 attack, and that ranged attacks don't even use RAT.

None of the units you listed both use that MAT frequently and only make 1 attack with it, the issues that Bane Thralls have.

>> No.31351471

Also, while reading again, note that Zealots, Sword Knights, and Slaughterhousers all have built-in MAT buffs, you get 20 McThralls and thus 40 attacks for less points than you get your 12 Bane Thralls, Fennblades and Bane Knights get 2 attacks as soon as they're in melee, and the rest are used mainly for their ranged attacks.

>> No.31351527

INNATE. by that logic Banethralls have no problems at all and the whole trigger of the discussion is moot since Cryx can help them hit.

Original Prompt

Scratch Slaughterhousers from the original list. That was just a complete oversight on my part.

>> No.31351553

I remember it too. She seduces a Trencher or something that had a thang for Haley. I had a link to the story, but... website redone. The link is busted now.

>> No.31351641

Zealots still only get to mat 6 equivalent with ferver
sword knights do not have an inbuilt mat buff. They require a flanking jack and thus not self contained.

Mcthralls getting 40 attacks is irrelevant to the prompt. Not mat 7+, no innate hit buff, usable was the condition. Mcthralls meet that condition.

>> No.31351683

Guys, the opener of this debate here. While it's a wonderful way to open up discussion about the strengths of different units in the game, my original point was this.

"You can't make an army completely out of Bane Thralls."

The idea of MOAR BANEZ and spamming to win is retarded. They make you overly reliant on Tartarus (who is easily scalpeled out by all factions save Minions), they are slow, no Reach, they have the low-average side of MAT (granted, with a buff from Tartarsauce, but see above for why that's unreliable), and they have low DEF and ARM. 12/15, even with stealth and tough, hurts. When I play my Menoth, I love nothing more than seeing Banes across the table. They melt to blast damage, they are just as slow as me once I pop Tartarus, and they cater to a very attrition-style play, where I have the advantage most of the time.

So, Bane Thralls are not a bad unit. They are definitely above-average. Some casters really turn them on, to full-steam. But, it's not like Cryx is hurting for excellent infantry. Satyxis, Knights, recursion Mcthralls, are all probably better than Thralls.

So, you can stop arguing now. Thralls are A-OK, just not as the entirety of the army. They need something to jam for them, and something to back them up when they get focussed down.

Balance, as in all things, is key when making a Cryx list.

>> No.31351745

The prompt only said "MAT6" because of how difficult it was to get them to hit. Increasing the number of attacks or attacking from ranged obviously significantly increases this number.

Being dogged about the wording in the prompt only serves to weaken the argument. Two MAT6 or four MAT5 attacks obviously has a far greater chance to hit than a single MAT6 attack.

Next you're going to start listing units without melee weapons and go "look, these guys are MAT0".

>> No.31351839

Hey guys
Was wondering if the last 6 months of releases have change the approximate tier list for factions in this game
Last I cared about tourny play Everblight and Cryx had substantial (though not gigantic) power leads on everyone else, is that still the case? Have any factions gotten huge boosts in power lately?

>> No.31351891

Khador and Retribution got nice stuff from the most recent book. Cryx and Legion still tend to have a slight edge, mostly due to ease of access.

>> No.31351910

No mat stat is 0. If it's non useable it is marked with a "-" like the enigma foundry for the example.

Intent is irrelevant. What matter's what's written. Otherwise, it's just a moving goalpost.
What you nay sayers wanted prompt is "Name units with single mat 6 for their primary attack that cannot have innate self contained hit buffs exceeding the mat 6 equivalent, without possessing out of activation attack capability. That's still considered 'usable'"

Even at that point Sword Knights will fit the bill.

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Yes, that seems to be a mixed run-down of stats and tactics. Thank you for contributing to the thread

>>ranged unit
>>Run only for their ranged attacks

Why, I never! Scandalous thoughts, sir! Scandalous!

I'm starting to feel cold feet about the Journeymen Warcasters - I originally saw plenty of potential for Tristran, but now I just kind of guess I might use him as a battery for Blessing of Vengeance in a 50 point, but I better really want Blessing of Vengeance.

>> No.31351962

>Otherwise, it's just a moving goalpost.
It's not a fucking moving goalpost, it's taking ranged units with melee weapons that are never used and going "look, these guys have low MAT, they fit the bill". That's clearly not the original post's intention in the slightest.

Sword Knights might fit the bill, but a 36-box jack just standing there is a lot easier than getting an 8-box solo within 9".

>> No.31352012

It's bit too early still to figure out faction tiers.

A lot of movers and shakers came out of the last book and list building in general got really wide in possibilities.

Minions being at the bottom is the closest thing to certainty.

>> No.31352069

Ret "won" Vengeance, Khador did very well with B3 and Malakov, Cryx turned out bretty well with Banecav and Aiakos, as well as a shieldguard jack (that they sorely needed). Cygnar is roughly on the same footing as before (although Blazers are damn nice, if a bit unnecessary). Menoth got shit for Menothmas - Tristan, Flamebringers and Bastionsenny aren't bad, just not what the faction needed. Reznik2 is a piss-poor excuse for a caster, although he looks fun.

I'm only a little bitter about how Menoth came out in Vengeance. I'll buy Reznik, but I'm not predicting him showing at any major tournament. Flamebringers have potential, but why couldn't we get some kind of ranged light cav? The Indictor sucks as-is, and is priced waaay too high for his abilities. I'd take him at 7, if he had Reach at 8, and I'd even take him at 9 with Reach, and if Consecration was a bigger bubble, say, 8".

I'd say that Ret can play with the big-boy factions now, although they are a bit limited in what they can take. Legion and Cryx are still in the lead, but I'd say that the gap has closed significantly. B3, IFK and such was a huuuuuuuuge boost for Khador, so they have caught up considerably.

But of course, these are all my opinions, and the results of what few tourneys I have participated in. So, grain of salt, people. If you want to debate usefulness, I will gladly do so, and my opinions might even change!

>> No.31352285

Also of note, to the people debating "usable" MAT6 units without innate buffing, no unit in this game should ever be viewed in a vacuum. You'll never see Errants without their UA, Raiders without the UA and solo, Banes without their UA and Tartarus, Winterguard with the UA, Joe and an Ironflesh caster, etc. That's why we refer to these things as "modules" or other collective nouns. If things are meant to work together, why not consider them together?

>> No.31352310

>Menoth got shit for Menothmas - Tristan, Flamebringers and Bastionsenny aren't bad, just not what the faction needed.

What does the faction need?

>> No.31352326

the guy complaining about bane thrall's mat 6 obviously didn't include Tartarus to the mix or any other Cryxian debuffs so why should the other examples?

>> No.31352370

A super solo missile is missing in their design element. Menoth at very late game with caster vs caster fights tend to be sweating a bit.

>> No.31352495

You hold one back. Charge suicidally with two and recharge the unit with an enigma foundry later

>> No.31352556

In my very humble opinion...

Tristan might have benefitted from a way to improve mobility on his jacks. His other abilities (True Sight lol) just feel like a middle finger from PP. "Hey Menoth, you wanted a model with True Sight? Here's your new Journeyman, he has TS on a shitty Immolation that he can cast once at FOC 4, and completely drains himself of focus afterwards! What, you didn't want to spend 3 + his jacks' points on a suicide Immolation bot that might not even work?" :D:D:D:D

Reznik feels like he was once godly, and then got hit with the nerf bat a couple times. Why no Trample? Why abandon all of his old jack support from pRez? Why make him another solution to high-DEF infantry spam, even though we already have like 4 solutions for that and it's on its way out? Why did he LOSE defensive and offensive stats going epic? He's a major case of what could have been.

Indictor should have had Reach to compete at the 8pt slot. Failing that, he'd be a good 2nd string choice at 8 if he was POW 18 on the sword. But right now, he can't deliver on his abilities, because he's so damn slow, and he can't even be a decent beatstick heavy, because of medium-low POW, no Reach and slow speed.

Flamebringers should have been a ranged skirmisher unit. That is something that the faction is genuinely missing. Hell, even with sprays, they would have been ACE.

Bastion Senny can't decide what he wants to do. He's a decent buffbot for bastions, and he's alright as a jack marshal, but without a drive there is no reason not to put any jack he'd want out of BG. For example, Vanquisher. In BG, it still takes no focus to run, and in an emergency you can load it up and beat something up with the flail. If he takes it, you can't even do that. And it's not like Menoth is hurting for jack support.

It just kinda feels like PP is taunting us this book, with what we could have had.

>> No.31352659

Tristan's still better than Elara and Una

>> No.31352867

>Cryx turned out bretty well with Banecav and Aiakos, as well as a shieldguard jack (that they sorely needed)
I don't know if Aiakos/Inflictor are actually going to see much play. Aiakos is a weird solo in a faction that has more than enough powerful solos, and Inflictor just seems like a bad Bokur a lot of the time.

Bane Riders will be interesting though.

>> No.31353005

What's so weird about him? At base he's a 5 point solo with focus he can use for all variety of situations and plenty of tools to murder.

>> No.31353035

3 pts

at 5 pts no one is gonna play any junior

>> No.31353043

To murder what? Solos? Does Cryx really need a dedicated totem hunter?

>> No.31353060

Warcasters. Aiakos with pSkarre is pretty dangerous

>> No.31353085

Sorry, was thinking 5 points for some retarded reason.

Honestly, he can murder a lot of things. As >>31353060 said he can be an effective warcaster killer, but can also ream UA's/solos/etc, I just feel he shouldn't be brushed off out of hand.

>> No.31353234

New thread fellow fa/tg/uys


>> No.31353982


Yes!! It was horrible fucking writing--I knew someone else would remember it. So bad--like if someone wanted to write bad Warmachine porn.

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