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31054302 No.31054302 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

So why isn't everyone and there moms trying to find Fulgrims Daemon World?
Fulgrim was all about perfection and he now has his own domain. It would have to be the closest thing to heaven next to Slaanesh's palace itself (which it may just be, and it's a wonder why you don't here much of EC's trying to get past the 6 trials).
Any Slaaneshite Cultist, RT or sad person would want to go there like no tomorrow. Hell it's a wonder why the EC don't all band together for a big road trip to the place.
I know it's a war game, and they have to shoe-horn the other gods into "ONLY WAR GRIMDARK" but this fits with EC beliefs both pre and post heresy

>> No.31054324

>inb4 Slaanesh is the worst god
People who say this either cherry-pick or just echo what /tg/s (terrible) slaanesh fanbase says

>> No.31054344
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Question: Are Daemon worlds actually IN the warp?
That always bugged me

>> No.31054378

I image many do, they just aren't heard from again, and that could mean they did/didn't make it.

>> No.31054381

>>31054344
nes

>> No.31054382

>>31054344
No.

Daemon worlds are planets in Real space with a self sustaining Warp Rift on it warping it and twisting it with the power of Chaos.

Usually the world is ruled over by a Greater Daemon or a Daemon Prince who shapes it in his own image and imagination.

>> No.31054393

>>31054344
Yes and no
As this guy said >>31054382 they are in an everlasting warp storm. So they are in both, but I don't think it is the same as that map

Also love that image

>> No.31054405

>>31054324
>It would have to be the closest thing to heaven next to Slaanesh's palace itself

Objectively he is the worst.

He is the least powerful of the Chaos Gods. Physically the weakest and possessing of mediocre mystical ability. He excels only in seduction

>> No.31054424
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>>31054405
Power can be argued with any of them
Nurgle affects everything and one Litterally the "Lord of All"
Tzneech is the only thing that can fight fate, and was described as the most powerful before losing his staff
Khorne because the stupid proportions of the setting
And Slaanesh ate a whole pantheon of ELDAR gods

>> No.31054426

>>31054344
Khorne's got a lot of forges and foundaries for a warrior god along with some portals and prime real estate on top of his rivals.

8/10 would hire as decorator for house.

>> No.31054438

>>31054344
Find it really stupid the EoT is in Khornes land
Other than that its cool

>> No.31054440

>>31054302
>Hell it's a wonder why the EC don't all band together for a big road trip to the place.

Because they will face their doom? It takes someone with willpower and peace of mind to walk around Slaanesh's realm. The EC have neither and will double damn themselves in his realm.

>> No.31054456

>>31054440
That's only Slaanesh's palace itself
Fulgrim has a daemon world, it's just a planet. A very perfect planet

>> No.31054484

>>31054424
>Power can be argued with any of them

No, it doesn't. Though, the power shifts from time to time, Khorne on average is always the most powerful and Slaanesh is the weakest. That's the current lore.

>And Slaanesh ate a whole pantheon of ELDAR gods

A pantheon of weaklings. After that he have a lot of stories of Slaanesh being overpowered by Khorne and his brother gods.

>> No.31054511

>>31054302
Even if we leave aside the fact that most people within the setting don't know it exists, and that even fewer know where it is and how to get there, you have an extremely, almost willfully, naive view of what Slaanesh and the post-Heresy Emperor's Children view as 'perfection'.

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>>31054484
>Eldar gods
>made by a far more emotionally/pskyicly powerful race
>Weak
U wot m8?

>> No.31054534

>>31054524
Perhaps they were less powerful because there were more of them, thus splitting the power.

>> No.31054549

>>31054511
>almost willfully, naive view of what Slaanesh and the post-Heresy Emperor's Children view as 'perfection'.
Explain. Lucius was a perfect example of striving to be the best and it's connection to she-who-thirsts

>> No.31054568

>>31054524
The Chaos Gods draw power from all sentience life and are not restricted to one race. The Eldar pantheon was rocked by the weakest of the Chaos Gods.

It's obvious.

>> No.31054576

>>31054568
>The Eldar pantheon was rocked by the weakest of the Chaos Gods.
Nice circular logic

>> No.31054585

>>31054568
sentient*

>> No.31054597

>>31054576
Nah.

Just shows how low the Eldar Gods were in the warp totem pole.

>> No.31054598

>>31054549
Lucius will also be the example of how that type of perfection will never be attained. Also his armor is made of fucking faces. Knowing about him would not endear most people to Slaanesh.

>> No.31054602

>>31054568
Slaanesh was far more powerful at the moment of his birth than he is now. If the Eldar Gods had somehow survived, it's doubtful that Slaanesh would be able to hunt them down and destroy them - certainly the other Chaos Gods were unable to do so before the Fall, and the Eldar Gods were already waning in power by that point. That's the point of Slaanesh, he's not as powerful as the other Chaos Gods, and can't just swan around punching things to get what he wants.

>> No.31054610

>>31054597
>Slaanesh is the weakest
>He ate a pantheon
>Of weaklings
>Eldar had great pskyic power
>They were weak because they were eaten by the weakest god

Ya, pretty circualr

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>>31054549
Yes, and look at what he is now. A depraved, self-mutilating lunatic, jumping from body to body like a monstrous spiritual parasite.

Picture related: Perfection. Apparently.

>> No.31054651

>>31054621
The EC get such a bad rap, both in art and writters.
The jump from "Perfection" to "KILL RAPE DUBSTEP" just because Horus gave Fulgrim the dick was stupid to me

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>>31054602
>Slaanesh was far more powerful at the moment of his birth than he is now.

People say that all the time but is there any proof for this?

>> No.31054714

>You will never live on the Drifting Castle AKA Comfyville AKA BestBurg

>> No.31054735
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31054735

If he can't master magic/sorcery, can we really call him the god of perfection? Perhaps the god of futility would be a better title.

>> No.31054750

>>31054621
This.
I always saw it as Slanesh subjects always having a burning desire for perfection, but their inability to reach it ends up causing them to redefine perfection, or twist their minds until they think they've achieved it.
So after years of thinking your paintings are not good enough, you finally snap, shit on the canvas, and think you've finally achieved that elusive perfection.

>> No.31054753

>>31054511
Yeah you're right, the Emperor's Children wouldn't logically know their Primarch exists.

>> No.31054766

>>31054753
If bloody Abaddon managed to get there, then so would Fulgrim's sons.

>> No.31054832

>>31054750

Possibly true

In the recent Chaos book they released for black Library Live, there is a Slaanesh Marine who attempts to pull off the perfect kill and perfect death by trying to kill himself.

>> No.31054837

>>31054735
He's sometimes considered the god of perfection and excess, but it'd be more accurate to call him the god of chasing perfection and natural desires taken to excessive levels.

He and his followers aren't perfect, they seek perfection (a subjective and impossible goal). He and his followers don't pursue an excessive amount of paperwork, socks, or diseases; excess is always described in terms of normal desires taken to abnormal levels.

>> No.31054846

>>31054766
I was joking about someone thinking the Emperor's Children would somehow not know they came from somewhere. Maybe heavily lobotomized World Eaters.

>> No.31054907

>>31054753
Of course they know that he exists. As for where he is? That's much more debatable. The old Index Astartes article that covered the Emperor's Children stated that Fulgrim had vanished off to his planet of infinite pleasure, and that while groups of Emperor's Children would occasionally set off to try and find him, none of them had returned - it was unknown whether they had failed, or succeeded and simply didn't want to leave again. I'm not sure whether that's been contradicted by newer material or not.

>> No.31055077

>>31054907
>The old Index Astartes article that covered the Emperor's Children stated that Fulgrim had vanished off to his planet of infinite pleasure
So then how is OP "forcefully Naive" if you are saying exactly what he was talking about

>> No.31055354

>>31054405
He is still a Chaos god and that makes him one of the strongest things in the setting.

>> No.31055389
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>>31055354
In relation to his brothers, he ain't shit.

>> No.31055461

>>31055389
Doesn't matter. His influence and power extends through space and time.

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>>31055389
>tfw Khorne pegs Slaanesh to death

>> No.31055493

>>31055461
It does matter when we are discussing why he is the worst god in the Chaos pantheon.

>> No.31055499

>>31055493
No, that would be Malal.

>> No.31055507

>>31055499
Malal isn't canon. Also isn't a part of 40K.

>> No.31055510

>>31055389
Proving that it's literally impossible for Khorne to win against him

>> No.31055536

Would ending up in Khorne's domain be like Valhalla? With the endless fighting and such

>> No.31055549

>>31055507
Malal was briefly canon.

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>>31054344
>Dat picture
>Dat Filename

Gifted.

>> No.31055564

>>31055536
>With the endless fighting and such

Yep.

However, if you died on your deathbed instead on the battlefield you sent to the daemon foundries of Khorne where you will slave for all eternity making weapons for Khorne's armies. There are other torments in Khorne's realm for those that incur his wrath so try to be a worthy warrior.

>> No.31055861

>>31055510
Slaneesh would only win in his own mind.

>> No.31055864

>>31055861
But Chaos gods are all about mind over matter, Anon.

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>>31055510
Khorne wouldn't give a damn about what Slaanesh thought in his last moments. He would have got what he wanted. Peace of mind, revenge, and a new skull to adorn his mighty hand.

>> No.31055984

>>31055890
>>31055389

What book is that?

>> No.31056059
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>>31054344
Now I wanna play a Dark Souls-y game about a Chaos Champion that ends up coming in through the Eye of Terror.
Choose your Legion/warband/god, your class, and explore the Warp. as well as connected daemon worlds. Collect artifacts, daemonic favours, mutations, etc.
And also die. A LOT.

>> No.31056263

>>31055984
Tome of Excess
&
Daemons of Chaos army book 7e

>> No.31056313

>>31054610
Slaanesh is the weakest of chaos gods by lore.
The argument don't need involve slaanesh is weak or not.
So its not circular

Eldar pantheon --> Got owned by the weakest chaos god --> therefore they are weak compare to any chaos gods.

>> No.31056351

>>31056313
>Eldar pantheon --> Got owned by the weakest chaos god --> therefore they are weak compare to any chaos gods.

Your assumption that every altercation is conducted in a cordial manner is no credit to your intelligence.

>> No.31056425

>>31056313
Isn't there some new fluff out there that basically states Slaanesh will win in the end, because ALL excess and drive feeds him? So the other gods' drive to do whatever the fuck, collecting skulls at all costs, spreading plague across the galaxy, feeling glee over building intricate, contradictory plans that work just right. Everything, in the end, makes Slaanesh's penis harder.

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>>31056425
It isn't new.

It's stated that the Chaos Gods fear that Slaanesh would someday grow to eclipse them all due to his parasitic nature to draw power from the excess of his fellow gods and their follower.

However, Slaanesh is destined to die by the hands of either Ynnead or Khorne. So don't worry about it.

>> No.31056686

>>31056485
So could that war chalice be a possible reference to the Avatars? with the whole thousand pieces and everything, plus the whole child of Khorne and Slanesh thing that Khaine apparently has going on?

>> No.31056725

>>31056686
First time I saw the connection between the two.

Perhaps it is.

>> No.31056743

>>31056425
Same thing as Khorne winning in the end because conflict can never die down, or Nurgle succeeding because all things will decay in time.

>> No.31056883

>>31055389
this excerpt says that Khorne defeating Slaanesh would make Slaanesh experience the most intense feeling ever felt
Since intensity and excess are Slaanesh's fuel, it would actually mean that if Khorne defeated Slaanesh it would result in such a power surge in Slaanesh that the moment Slaanesh died, she'd resurrect, even stronger than Khorne
Or at least that's how I'd explain why Khorne can't defeat Slaanesh

>> No.31057211

>>31056059
In the age of Humans, the galaxy was orderly. Shrouded by the Imperial Truth. A galaxy of forge worlds, Space marines, and everlasting Primarchs.

But then there was the Warp, and with the Warp came disparity. Love and Hate, Change and Decay, and of course, Destruction and Chaos. Then from the Chaos they came and found the souls of gods within the Warp.

Nurgle, the First of the Dead; Tzeencth, and his Birds of Change; Khorne, the lord of hatred and his faithful Khornates; and the Fertile Slaneesh, so easily distracted.

With the strength of Gods, they challenged the Emprah. Khorne's might axes smashed the heads of the faithful followers; Tzeentch weaved great plans; and Nurgle unleashed a miasma of death and disease; and Horus the Warmaster, betrayed his own. The Imperium was no more.

Thus begins the Age of Chaos, but soon the Warp will fade, and only order will remain.

>> No.31057617

>>31054302
Because its Fulgrim's world. Next to nobody outside of the EC can stand him.

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>>31054344
I've just noticed that each land resembles its gods mark

>> No.31057671

>>31057640
Good eye, anon.

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>>31057640
>>31054344
HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS

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>>31057640

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>>31057617
>Because its Fulgrim's world. Next to nobody outside of the EC can make out with him.
ffty

>> No.31058321

>>31057673
Very washed out colours?

>>31056313
Slaanesh was stronger than all the Eldar pantheon because when he bursted out of no-where he instantly ate 99% of all the worshipers souls that was feeding the pantheon in the Warp the emotions that made them strong.

>> No.31058325

>>31054344
I don't know why, but Slaanesh's place looks actually kind of charming. It has a windmill and a castle for crying out loud. Everywhere else is lave or puss or exploding spiral stair cases to the void or a frozen moon.

Slaanesh? "Well here's the rape pit or this lovely castle you can visit. Please stop by the lovely windmill later if you'd prefer, we'll be serving tea and biscuits."

>> No.31058348

>>31056313
You forgot the part where they lost their powers due to virtually no worship in the end.

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>>31058325
The Marcher Fortress is a swell place alright.

>> No.31058397

>>31058325
Slaanesh likes vanity because you can never run out of it. He is also an Eldar god and Eldars like their crunk looking shit above it looking pragmatic.

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>>31058325
>Slaanesh's place looks actually kind of charming
Kinda the point
The BDSM madness is for the followers, just as Slaanesh is cannocally beautiful and his relm is wonderful beyond compare

>> No.31058413

>>31058384
That's possibly the most metal description I have ever read for a fucking castle and yet the image of daemons breaking bread and behaving like men inside it just makes it sound cozy again.

>> No.31058428

>>31058413
>the most metal description
Rogue Trader days, back when 40k was stupid but knew it was rather than just edging everything beyond logic

>> No.31058437

>>31056263
so not even 40k
great

>> No.31058444

>>31058428
Yeah, I kind of miss the over the top grim derp that was self aware.

>> No.31058452

>>31058437
Earth stuff WHF and WH40K AREN'T cannon (it wouldn't make any sense with the warp poles)
but they share a warp

And ToE IS 40k

>> No.31058453

>>31058437
The Liber Chaotica sometimes goes into 40k territory.

>> No.31058456

>>31054344
>Implying that the realms of the warp have any kind of rational euclidean divisions.
I like the pic, but its dumber than hell.

>> No.31058469

>>31058437
Tome of Excess is 40K

The army book isn't. However, the lore of Chaos Realm is the same is both the same in 40K and fantasy.

>> No.31058471

>>31058456
The concept yes, but it's a creative way of organizing the madness and showcasing cool placeses

>>31058453
Liber Chaotica can be called the Over-cannon of any Chaos related matter, for either setting IMO

>> No.31058473

>>31058456
I think it's just there to give an idea of how the realm of the gods can look or the observation from a mortal perspective seeing what makes sense to the mortal.

>> No.31058526

>>31058402
>that image
Rock hard every time
It fits perfectly for The Dark Prince

>> No.31058569
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>I see an old world beyond the next horizon – a world that likely never was, where sorcery blew in the very winds and a self-made god-king was all that stood against the Ruinous Powers.

>Mayhap I would find the answer there, if I could find it at all.

-Draigo

>> No.31058603

>>31058456
If you read the text the cartographer says that the map looks different every time he looks at it, so I guess there's that.

>> No.31058606

>>31058569
So while in the warp he walked into WHF's North Pole?

Also I stopped caring about WHF when they shat over Brittionia's point with grimdark to make the Empire look good

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>>31058569
>WHFB confirmed for more alpha than 40k by the virtue of holding back Chaos with pointy sticks and massive balls of steel

>> No.31058627

>>31058618
Dude, IG fight the same daemons, WITH FLASHLIGHTS. Seriously, if you ever played any of the 40KRPs you'd know the lazgun and pistol are children's toys

>> No.31058670

>>31058627
The IG has a fuckton of tanks, high tech weapons and more people.

The Warhammer world people are just much more alpha because they do much more with less people and less resources. They do what an entire galaxy can't do.

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>>31058456
>John Michelbach: The most important thing to consider with this map is that it’s not a literal representation of the Realm of Chaos, but rather the impression of Chaos in the mortal mind. While Mat worked on the Daemons of Chaos book he took a lot of inspiration from the Liber Malefic and we thought it would be fun to draw a map based on it. I wanted the whole piece to be confusing and disorientating – you can go down from one realm to another, but end up higher than where you started.

>I included a lot of places on the map from Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned, most notably the Impossible Fortress, the Marcher Fortress and the Drifting Castle. Even though they’re very small I tried to illustrate them just like the original artwork. There’s also a lot of subtle stuff on this map too. I’m not going to explain any of it though, you can come to your own conclusions as to what things are. I’ll start you off though: check out the top right-hand corner of the map…
- White Dwarf March 2013

Though personally I fear the metaphorical aspect is too easily lost or forgotten, with all the depictions of the Warp and the Chaos Gods as being so... 'real', for want of a better word. Even if it's not a new thing.

>> No.31058716

>>31054621

To be fair, Lucius wasn't exactly psychologically healthy or stable even before the EC fall to Slaanesh. If perfection is build on a shit foundation, it's going to end up being a shitty version of perfection.

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>>31058670
>high tech weapons
>A bayonete at the end of a light with a frequency that couldn't cut an empty carton of milk
>hightech

>> No.31058760

>>31058726
A flashlight that can apparently blast concrete.

The IG is just beta compared to the mighty Empires wooden sticks with a pointy end.

>> No.31058785

>>31058444
You don't think it is now?

>> No.31058790

>>31058785
It's less thoughtful.

>> No.31058795

>>31058456
>the pic explicitly states the map is false

>> No.31058810

>>31058670

>The Warhammer world people are just much more alpha because they do much more with less people and less resources. They do what an entire galaxy can't do.

They fight against easier odds with less technology, but their enemies also have less technology.

>> No.31058857

>>31058810
Daemons of Chaos are the same.

The Warhammer world just happens to be a world of übermensch that don't realised how strong they are. A housecat from the Warhammer world could probably tip a Dreadnought like a cow.

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>>31055077
"Infinite pleasure" only because you'll eventually end up brainwashed into finding everything pleasurable. While it's all sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll there when you want to take a quite rest from it all they'll be like "No, no, it's Party Time!" and then Lady Barbeddick comes out to have her way with you and her steed getting seconds.

Do remember who birthed Slaanesh in the first place.

>> No.31058915

>>31058857

>Daemons of Chaos are the same.

And a hell of a lot smaller in number. Similarly, the undead, orks and dark elves don't have tech or multiple worlds either.

>> No.31058925

>>31058915
Doesn't stop the bumfuck pesants of Bretonnia to kill a Greater Daemon.

>> No.31058946

>>31058895
Again with the futa bullshit?

There are people who stand around staring at the wall for the rest of their life in Slaanesh's palace til they drop dead from dehydration, rape is probably a Slaaneshi thing but not that big. Of the iconic Slaaneshi chars, none has rape or implied rape as a schtick. Even the Keeper of Secrets is characterized as wanting people to enjoy, not being characterized by raping everything in sight.

Not everything has to be puerile as fuck.

>> No.31058951

>>31058946
A strapon dildo is not a futa you dumbfuck.

>> No.31058965

>>31054344

> "The Bad Moon" In Slaanesh territory

Uhh, can someone explain?

>> No.31058972

>>31058925
>Doesn't stop the bumfuck pesants of Bretonnia to kill a Greater Daemon.

Lets not exaggerate. I'm sure they can kill lesser daemons, but greater daemons? C'mon.

>> No.31058982

>>31058951
>Lady Barbeddick

And I'm assuming its a Slaaneshi tittyhorse you were talking about, so...

>> No.31058998

>>31058965

No one else wanted it, so they decided to let Slaanesh have it, its that bad.

>> No.31059001

>>31058982
Sorry, I thought you were talking about the image for some reason.

>> No.31059011

>>31058857
Daemons used to be tougher in 40k than they were in fantasy, actually (they may still be, but I haven't looked at fantasy books since 5th!). The reasoning being they had to deal with larger amounts of ranged weapons in the ruleset.

>> No.31059023

>>31058946
It was just an example, it could be anything else. You're trying to sleep and the Noise Marines decide to try their new blastmaster next to your ear. The point is, it's only "infinite pleasure" after you've been their for long enough to be brainwashed into finding pleasure in anything.

And the idea that Slaanesh wouldn't be interested in something because "Oh no! They don't consent" is pretty stupid. They fight, kill, murder and torture but rape? That's too far for the god of Excessive Pleasure.

>> No.31059029

>>31058965
Bad Moons are an ork clan with a love of flashy things.

Orks have a massive amount of pull in the warp.

>> No.31059042

>>31058998
I thought the Bad Moon was an Orc thing?

>> No.31059045

>>31055564
What if you are so good no one could kill you in combat?

>> No.31059056

>>31058760

So... The IG should just be re-equipped with the superior spear STC technology?

>> No.31059058

>>31059045
then you keep fighting

>> No.31059068

>>31054405

And yet, it was hos boy 'Daz Fulgrim' who done undid Big Es faggotry and put in motion the events dat gotz us all dis Grim Dark.

Try harder fag of Khorne!

>> No.31059080

>>31059042
>>31059029

You guys have little knowledge of fantasy? The Bad Moon is a massive chunk of Warpstone that appears abve the skies of the old world from time to time.

>> No.31059093

>>31059068
No, it was Erebus and Kor Phaeron that got the ball going.

Either why your God is still the worst Chaos God.

>> No.31059095

>>31059080
I know about that. I just wonder how it relates to the realm of Slaanesh and 40k?

>> No.31059133

>>31059095
Nothing. It just floating around in and out the Warp.

>> No.31059177

>>31059133
What does it do?

I remember reading a very old 40k book with a cresent moon nomming people up in the Warp.

>> No.31059185

>>31059080
Great, now I have Bad Moon Rising stuck in my head.

>> No.31059235
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>>31059001

>The point is, it's only "infinite pleasure" after you've been their for long enough to be brainwashed into finding pleasure in anything.

Well, no, its just infinite pleasure. They reprint the same fluff pertaining to Slaanesh's realm all the time, give it a look. You're more thinking more of despair-wracked Nurglites trying to convince themselves "THIS IS TOTALLY FINE."

>And the idea that Slaanesh

We know Slaanesh doesn't rape people, by definition, since... anything involving him is consensual. If you run into Slaanesh, you're his rapturous, devoted servant forever. That being said, it does sound like he raped Khaine.

>They fight, kill, murder and torture but rape?

With regards to other Slaaneshi followers? One of the big distinctions between Khorne and Slaanesh is Khornates are not safe from even each other, but Slaaneshi are.

And yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of rapist Slaaneshi, but its not even remotely the dominant motif; neither among its signature characters, its daemons, or Slaanesh's realm. I am sure there is tons and tons of rape in 40k, for example: it is neither heresy nor something heretics would likely shy away from. Its probably just a normal (if too ghastly to want to dwell on) privilege for the victorious, I guess.

>> No.31059245
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31059245

>>31059177
>What does it do?

When it appears in the sky all kind of bad things happen. Beastsmen begin their orgies, Chaos magic gets stronger, strange beings fall from the sky, and worst of all Daemonic invasions.

>> No.31059278

>>31059045
Then a frag grenade, orbital bombardment, etc. eventually kills you.

>> No.31059294

>>31059045
Then you're Kharn, and there's not an awful lot you have to worry about at that point.

>> No.31059306

>>31059235
>One of the big distinctions between Khorne and Slaanesh is Khornates are not safe from even each other, but Slaaneshi are.

Don't equate elves with humans or Space Marines.

>> No.31059324

>>31059306
Nobody's equating any of the above, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

>> No.31059333

>>31059235
The real backlash with the infinite pleasure is that you always have to pursue greater hights and never stop. When you can't achieve this you will become horribly unsatisfied and depressed. This will lead to you trying anything just to feel anything, even sticking a beehive in your butt in a desperate hope that it will do anything for you.

>> No.31059429

>>31059333

>The real backlash with the infinite pleasure is that you always have to pursue greater hights and never stop.

You're getting the realm of Slaanesh and the sensory acclimation Slaaneshi tend to experience mixed up. Also, not all Slaaneshi are Emperor's Children. The Flawless Host, for example, don't even remotely fit the turbo-jaded hedonist motif.

> When you can't achieve this you will become horribly unsatisfied and depressed.

A bit of an exaggeration. You are also getting certain elements of the Slaaneshi condition mixed up. They tend to be granted enhanced senses that vastly change how they perceive the world, like the tactile sense is the most obvious (the usual example of pleasure from pain), or the audio of Noise Marines. This heightened sense tends to impact the others and devalue them, but Noise Marines aren't near-deaf rockstars. They're just accustomed to their highs. Likewise, a pleasure from pain Slaaneshi would likely eventually engage in extreme levels of self harm, but their sense of touch isn't deadened or whatever, just modified.

>> No.31059447

>>31059429
I'm just saying a worshipper of Slaanesh that is denied pleasure will become a desperate one.

It's like being addicted.

>> No.31059470

>>31059429
Oh, and what I forgot to mention is that even the Noise Marines aren't really what people would call depressed, just wired to do their job (many Emperors' Children are this way, like techmarines are modified to only find pleasure in maintaining/building tech). But Slaaneshi are definitely individualistic types, relative to the way they fell to him, hence why the Flawless Host, for example, really bears little resemblance at all to the Emperor's Chidlren.

>> No.31059500

>>31059447
Oh sure, but the addiction metaphor is really just a metaphor; addictions come from desensitization (plus your biology changing, but that's separate); a reduction in pleasure, like how overeaters receive less pleasure from food, nymphos can't experience sexual climaxes, and so forth. Slaaneshi are, on the other hand, generally portrayed as being more sensitive rather than less.

>> No.31059590

>>31059500
>Slaaneshi are, on the other hand, generally portrayed as being more sensitive rather than less.

Which makes them more likely to get jaded needing more quantities of pleasure because the little stuff doesn't hit the spot quite anymore. This makes them pursue the obscenest and most extreme of pleasure and pain in a futile attempt to sate their needs.

>> No.31059631

>>31059590
This also leads to them starting to pursue causing pain, suffering and death in other people. As a result they become a meance to any society except Orks that tends to root out the unorky Orks by automatic persecution.

>> No.31059664

>>31059590

>Which makes them more likely to get jaded

The more sensitive you are, generally speaking, the less likely you are to need to go to extremes. These are symptoms of anhedonia, which is the exact opposite of the change that happens to Slaaneshi.

The Emperor's Children are the way they are not because they are mind controlled or because their sensitivity surpasses 255 and wraps around back into insensitivity at 1, but because they went traitor primarily for hedonistic reasons (its entirely reasonable to desire compensation for a life of service) and that's all there is to their view on life, and that many of them are actually literally cybernetically rewired, like noise marines, to only find enjoyment in their role (like combat).

And hell, not even all Slaaneshi are motivated by pleasure.

>> No.31059845

>>31054676
Slaanesh beat Khorne fighting over Khaine. Khorne is/was the strongest of the Four as noted in your image.
Therefore there was a brief period where Slaanesh was the greatest of the four.

>> No.31059877

>>31059631
Its hard to speak too much of the whys and wherefores as to why Slaaneshi would come into conflicts with other beings: in WHFB, Warriors of Chaos attack civilization for resources, cultural reasons (ie. glory), and when the Chaos Wastes become unlivable. In 40k, most talk of Slaaneshi refers to the Emperor's Children, who attack people because, essentially, they're entitled: Horus talked them into betraying the Emperor due to an ideology of pure self satisfaction, and they're cruel and crude space AWOL jarheads, with cruel and crude appetites.

In general they're likely to be self centered users unwilling to contribute but eager to take, but I wouldn't say its inevitable at all for them to start pursuing pain, suffering, and death in other people. Only a small amount of Slaaneshi are warriors of any kind, and metamorphosing into a slasher is more of a Khorne thing. The only ones that aren't going to necessarily be a blight on society are the ones who either have someone providing for their every need (such as nobles... who are already a blight on society), or the ones that do what they love.

>> No.31059960

>>31059235
>We know Slaanesh doesn't rape people, by definition, since... anything involving him is consensual.

Oh right, totally forgot the part where Slaanesh is friends with everyone and nobody fights their followers because they all love him/her.

The guardsmen getting his head imploded by some Noise Marine isn't consenting. The guardian getting disemboweled by a daemonette isn't consenting. Why is it suddenly consenting when sex is involved? Last I figured getting your mind altered by magic isn't consent.

As for rape not being a dominant motif, I think that's more to do with GW's presentation of Slaanesh and it's followers than it not existing.

>> No.31059983
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>>31057211

>> No.31060013

>>31059845
I think people are greatly exaggerating what stronger/weaker means. Specifically, they're interpreting it as Khorne will always beat Slaanesh, when in reality, its probably more like Khorne would beat Slaanesh more often than not, but Slaanesh can use guile, surprising bursts of energy, distraction, etc.

>> No.31060050

>>31054302
>Hell it's a wonder why the EC don't all band together for a big road trip to the place.
They suck at teamwork. They're all a bunch of divas and team-killing fucktards.

>> No.31060174

>>31059960

>The guardsmen getting his head imploded by some Noise Marine isn't consenting. The guardian getting disemboweled by a daemonette isn't consenting. Why is it suddenly consenting when sex is involved?

And if Slaanesh was doing those things instead of his followers, they would be consenting (probably, unless it doesn't override your will).

>Why is it suddenly consenting when sex is involved?

If you see Slaanesh, you are his willing servant and you are going to probably consent to anything.

>Last I figured getting your mind altered by magic isn't consent.

Its not really described as mind control, but that he's so overwhelmingly delightful to behold and smell, etc. (Also, ew.)

>As for rape not being a dominant motif, I think that's more to do with GW's presentation of Slaanesh and it's followers than it not existing.

Nobody said it didn't exist. On the other hand, if one were to analyze rape frequency in, say, 40k (obviously, WHFB would have metric tons of it, as its based off not!Earth), it's pretty obvious there would be huge amounts of it. The Imperium is incredibly totalitarian and backwards, and is the 'bloodiest and most cruel regime imaginable,' and is staffed by humans, so they'd likely behave as humans do -- guard (tons of it, if you try to get justice for anything an officer does you are simply beaten, afterall), arbites and inquisition (interrogating and torturing prisoners)... of course, Chaos followers of all flavors (who aren't dust or leprous) probably would as well.

But sure, there'd be an assortment of rape. Still wouldn't be the dominant motif of Slaanesh, though.

>> No.31060281

>>31059877
They become a problem in WHFB society because they think they are entitled to do whatever they want and think that the rest of society are a bunch of moralefags that needs to be more like the Slaanesh worshippers because they think they would be happier that way. So they will try to overthrow the power structure in a society to turn it into a huge hippy colony with blood orgies.

At least it seems to me that they are pretty inspirerd by Aleister Crowley and his drugged up sex magic cult.

>> No.31060301

>>31060281
Yeah that sounds about right.

>> No.31060363

>>31060281
I never really got what the relationship was, if any, between the Slaaneshi civilized cultists who become aggressive and the Warriors of Chaos. Do they up and become thugs/marauders/warriors or are they just not represented in TT?

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>>31060174
Khorne gets power by raping the virgins. He cares not from where the blood flows.
Unless he has a thing against a warrior raping a woman who would be leagues weaker than him. So Khorne is the god of loving consensual first times? I guess?

>> No.31060443

>>31060380
It is confirmed that at least some Khornates have daemon brides and what not, so at least some of them have terrifyingly nightmarish monogamous relationships.

I personally envision Khornates as being the most traditional as a lot of fluff references how appalling and insulting they find Slaaneshi.

In a story about chaotics I'd probably write the Khornates as belonging to a specific sect that views Khorne as being very concerned about honor and twisted chivalry to better contrast them with Slaaneshi, though.

>> No.31060492

>>31060174
I wasn't talking about Slaanesh doing these things, I was talking about his followers.

And while, yes, rape wouldn't be a dominant motif; it'd probably be more common for Slaaneshi followers then followers of other gods since it tends to have an aspect of pleasure about it. I don't really know why I keep trying to argue the point though since I was just using that as an example to show that Fulgrim's daemon world wouldn't be paradise since there are downsides to all the partying, even if you're generally too high to notice.

>> No.31060551

>>31060492
>Fulgrim's daemon world

Either way its a moot point: a daemon world reflects the whims of its daemon prince master, so the rape and lack thereof is whatever the owner wants it to be.

I would not be optimistic about it actually being a good place. IIRC, Fulgrim is... not really Fulgrim, he's a possessed whose greater daemon possessor somehow ascended AGAIN to become a daemon prince as well, but Fulgrim himself is just the host, I think? So I would not be at all optimistic about a planet ruled by something that was, as far as anyone knows, never human and who gets its jollies by taking over and dominating the bodies of others.

>> No.31060553
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I'd just ask for a sweet daemon bride and a nice apartment on a Chaos world

>> No.31060558

>>31060363
The majority of Slaanesh's worshippers in WHFB consists of Dark Elves and upper class twits in the Old World. At least that's what Realm of Chaos seemed to imply, but that fluff is old as balls. Slaanesh is apparently really popular in Bretonnia.

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>>31060551
To be fair Fulgrims story keeps changing, so far we have the following (often contradicting and retconed) stories
>He got Ahego'd by Horus
>His sword did it
>Slaanesh himself whispered to him
>Hes a daemon prince
>He's in a painting

>> No.31060598
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31060598

>>31060558
>Bretonnia
No, as a knight I'd prefer my wood elf waifu

>> No.31060602

>>31060551
Fulgrim overpowered the daemon and reclaimed his body. It's been all him for the last ten thousand years. He's just not a very nice guy.

>> No.31060620

>>31060598
And your wood elf waifu prefers trees and minors. Chivalry ain't easy.

>> No.31060629

>>31060363
They don't dig the other Chaos gods. They seek to satisfy their bloated egos with achieving perfection in combat and conquest. This also leads to more people to put under a their ideology and soul sacrifices to Slaanesh.

It's also necessary to fight off the other Chaos worshippers up in the wastes and a quicker way to a daemonic career ladder if you want the attention of Slaanesh.

>> No.31060634

>>31060598
I don't know much about WFB, why do those knights have candles all over them?

>> No.31060654

>>31060634
It's just a think WHf/40k like to do

>> No.31060658

>>31060551
He got rid of the daemon. After that he took it upon himself to be the most dickish fucktard in the galaxy.

>> No.31060662

>>31060634
Because of the gothic inspirerd 6'th edition.

>> No.31060676

>>31060634
Might be enchanted candles, or just some superstitious crap. Or it may be part of their heraldry.

>> No.31060678

>>31060634
Bretonnians don't use purity seals, so they had to put all that wax to some kind of use.

>> No.31060701

>>31060629
Actually, if you think about it; Slaanesh Chaos Warriors are Social Injustice Warriors.

>> No.31060730

>>31054714
But Dalaran is gay

>> No.31060771

>>31054456
Fulgrim's idea of perfection looks like a bald-headed, four-armed snake man with a brass organ glued to his back. And Perturabo thought Fulgrim had a tacky taste in bodily ornaments.

>> No.31060902

>>31058618
>WHFB confirmed for more alpha than 40k by the virtue of holding back Chaos with lizardman and elf magic hax

fixed

>> No.31060913

>>31054344
Is there anywhere online which goes into brief detail about all the areas listed on that map?

>> No.31060946

>>31060913
Many are referanced in the books
Notable the Liber Chaotica

>> No.31061048

>>31060902
That is less had than having the Emperor holding Chaos back.

>> No.31061094

>>31061048
Emperor is seen as an equal to the Chaos gods

the Everqueen, chaos actually fears

Fantasy is more protected

>> No.31061154

>>31057211

You are a lowly human, supposedly destined to put an end to all the gods and learn of the fate of the galaxy. The Warp is supposedly waning, people think it is because the Chaos gods are becoming more and more weak. Within the Warp, you cannot die, merely loose faith in yourself and become one with the Warp to be its fuel.

To overcome this, one must travel across the Warp and collect the Souls of the Gods and reach the end.

The first god is Slaanesh, the easier of the bosses. the second would be Tzeentch, who hides in frozen land to preserve his knowledge, ironic for the lord of Change. Third would be Nurgle in his sludgeland, awaiting the end to start a new beginning. Lastly is Khorne, who will not submit until death and he will be the hardest of the four Choas gods.

There are more, however, as there is Malice, the anarchist god of terror. He is the strongest if all four gods are still alive, but he will be relatively weak if all of them are dead. And the final boss is the Emperor of Mankind, the symbol of order. For without Chaos, there must be no order, despite the claims otherwise.

At the end, there is a choice to make. Rebirth Chaos and life will begin again but so will Order and the disparity between the two will rupture once again. Or let the Warp wane into nothingness and the world will finally be at peace.

>> No.31061282

>>31061094
And more alpha.

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>>31054621
Yup, it's perfection alright, one hell of a perfect immortality.

>> No.31061454

>>31059245
1) For all that horrendously puffed-up fluff, that is an embarrassing in-game profile. Like seriously, he's nothing special.

2)
>Implying this sin't one of the lost Primarchs

>> No.31061476

>>31056059
>Join Slaanesh
>Come out looking even more perverted each time you die

>> No.31061646

>>31054302
Because they are- especially the EC. It's just, you know, they never leave again.

>> No.31061685

>>31054621
I can't tell; are those faces vomiting or being tentacle raped?

>> No.31061723

>>31061685

Both

>> No.31061921

>>31058946
You do know that pic was of a Dark Eldar, right?

>> No.31061939

>>31061921
I think he's that guy who hates slaanesh because he has some weird trans-hate that makes him hate anything slightly related to it. I mean I don't fap to the stuff but I dont let it ruin shit to that degree

>> No.31061984

>>31054302
It's Fulgrim's world. It exists for his pleasure. There's no assurances that the stay would be nice for anyone else.

>> No.31062035

>>31060174
Its absence has a far more simpler explanation- GW doesn't like mentioning any form of sexuality whatsoever because they think their customers (or more specifically, the parents of the rich kids who are GW's best customers) will be offended, and they can't risk losing a single cent to prudish types. (And yet graphic violence is free game.)

>> No.31062147

>>31060602
Or moreso, the daemon offered Fulgrim the power to get his body back. Just had to let Slaanesh into his heart.

>> No.31062164
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>>31062035
Fucking this.

Slaanesh has a LOT to do with sex, though sex isn't his only game. It's just 40k is a WAR game so they have to shoehorn it into WAR

>> No.31062207
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31062207

>>31059845
>Slaanesh beat Khorne fighting over Khaine

Slaanesh fanatics confirmed for liars.

>> No.31062267

>>31059294
Except of beating your previous score of daily kills.

>> No.31062454

>>31062164
Even in fluff not directly linked to any major war (or any war at all), GW tries to sidestep any mention of anything more lewd than eye contact and talking. Honestly, I don't understand the double standard of being so afraid of even showing an exposed female nipple on a Daemonette when at the same time they can go into gruesome detail about people dying horribly to something. It just makes no sense.

>> No.31062480

>>31062454
>I don't understand the double standard of being so afraid of even showing an exposed female nipple on a Daemonette when at the same time they can go into gruesome detail about people dying horribly to something. It just makes no sense.
Word

>> No.31062501

>>31062454
>>31062480
You see....

Violence is natural. Sexuality is unnatural.

Get it?.

>> No.31062597

>>31062501
No, not really.

>> No.31062813

>>31054456
>That's only Slaanesh's palace itself
>Fulgrim has a daemon world, it's just a planet. A very perfect planet
Fulgrim is perfect planet, each piece of material that composes the planet perfect in an of themselves.
Infact, if you were to Fulgrim, the only suggestion of imperfection would be the imperfection you take with you. Fortunately, the perfect people of perfect Fulgrum have a perfect solution.

They'll remove the blemish, perfectly.

>> No.31062829

>>31059023
That begs a question:
Can Space Marine maintain erection? It's cammon knowledge that they are sterile but are they impotent too?

>> No.31062898

>>31062829
The space wolves still have functioning dicks, at least from what Ive skimmed through in the fluff. Must be the Viking-ness.

>> No.31062957

Are there any pics of demon Fulgrim?

>> No.31062965

>>31062829
The Knight is Slaanesh's realm felt an attraction and yearning for the fair Daemonettes of the Lust Circle.

It said despite him being a Space Marin there was still a part of him that was a man.

>> No.31064087

>>31058413
>That's possibly the most metal description I have ever read for a fucking castle and yet the image of daemons breaking bread and behaving like men inside it just makes it sound cozy again.
Lets try and fix that.

There not imitating a family at supper time.

The room the daemons are supping is cozy, decorated with curious treasures from across the globe: a ritual mask from a distant tribe, the preserved tail of a crocodile, the claws of a bear, the tusks of a young elephant. One wall shows a large fireplace, brightly burning. The opposite is covered entirely by a tremendous painting, it shows two hunters on horseback galloping over a field following a pack of hounds, all chasing after a fox that is running toward a forest.

The daemons themselves are a vast constrast to the room. The demons have skin of bright colors, and great horns on their heads. A few look vaguely human. They are dressed, in imitation of wealthy British nobles, when British colonial government at it's greatest. One has a pith helmet dangling on the end of it's horn.

The daemons are gathered at a table, breaking bread.

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