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30722186 No.30722186 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Ever feel like fantasy armor is too bogged down in attempted realism? It's the realm of imagination where anything is possible, yet some stuffy folks seem to not only want everything to conform to their perception of what is "reasonable" armor, but see fit to hate on and try to eliminate any other preferences that disagree with their opinion.

Let's have an armor cheesecake thread to alleviate some of that hate.

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Don't worry, men can join in too.

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Whatever you have, post it.

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>>30722378
Orcs are always great. I'll have to dump my orc pics in a second.

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i'm happy with unrealistic armour but find cheesecake boring. i don't need to see tits or ass, there are plenty of both on the internet. if the armour is just an excuse to show off the character's assets, chances are it's going to be dull armour.

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>>30722434
You sound like a boring, dreary person who doesn't know how to lighten up. You also probably think everyone else thinks fantasy cheesecake should be the bulk of fantasy consumed instead of just the dessert as the name implies.

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>> No.30722508

>>30722214
id wear that.

id wear the fuck out of that

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>>30722508
If I could pull it off, me too. I would feel like a Jojo, and everyone deserves to feel like a Jojo at least once in their life.

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>> No.30722652

>>30722492
Wow, could you be more butthurt?

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>>30722652
Says the guy coming into a thread entirely devoted to THING to fellate himself over his dislike of THING.

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>> No.30722781

>>30722692
>>30722652
Both of you are asspained, now shut up and get back to posting.

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>> No.30722799

>>30722692
>bwuh, bwuh, why doesn't person like thing that I like, his disinterest in my magical realm shit must be a direct attack on me personally

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>>30722799
Take your little soapbox to tumblr, chief, I'm just here to post pretty ladies in pretty armor.

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>> No.30722897

>>30722839
>not liking something personally is the same as actively being against it
>being this autistic

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And some orcs, because orcs.

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>>30722186
I've NEVER felt hindered by 'realism.' Most powerful char concepts involve "You can't wear armor, don't even try! But you're better defended than if you were."

Shoes and a smile (and of course a purse or backpack or pouch or whatever), that's all a magic user needs.

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>> No.30722938

>>30722897
You certainly seem against it enough to rampantly shitpost like a faggot. Now let the dumpers dump and shut the fuck up.

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>>30722186
realistic armour looks cooler, on both sexes.
i dont know what else to tell you man, except that fantasy is meant to be lived or rather imagined, and if i came a across a midriff-armour-less opponent id fucking gut them with my spear, and what use would their huge clunky shoulder pads and unwieldy, unbalanced sword be then?

but i mean, whatever fiddles you fancy man.

cudos on sticking out for your preferred aesthetic rather than quietly disagreeing like everybody else who agrees with you

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>> No.30722971

>>30722938
>being this insecure about liking something that you have to rabidly defend it when it's not even being attacked

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>>30722956
>realistic armour looks cooler
Yet you posted that monstrosity.

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Scifi is allowed, too!

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>> No.30723093

>>30722186
>Ever feel like fantasy armor is too bogged down in attempted realism?
No. In fact, I think that it enhances the quality of a story when one attempts to combine the fantastic with the logical, as opposed to simply saying "it's fantasy" to brush aside any criticism. Fantasy allows us to explore concepts that couldn't possibly happen in real life, and logic is the way we explore them. If a story doesn't make sense, then what's the point of telling it?

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>>30722434
>i don't need to see tits or ass, there are plenty of both on the internet.

looks like you don't have a clue as to the purpose of cheesecake, bro. Its okay.

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>>30722214
High fashion makes for hilariously awesome character concepts

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>>30722378

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOjH0zVXadw

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>>30722929
The Legends surrounding elven slut-knights are chilling. They are renown all around the world and on most street corners for their deadly skill and unrelenting whorishness.

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>>30723093
>>30722434
>>30722956
Woman hating samefag pls go

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>> No.30723273

>>30722186

I feel that all aspects of a roleplay should support the image it is trying to convey. If it's a pulpy sword and sorcery, go ahead with the bikini and thong plate. If it's more grounded in "realism" you cover that shit up, you whore.

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>>30722186
>Ever feel like fantasy armor is too bogged down in attempted realism? It's the realm of imagination where anything is possible, yet some stuffy folks seem to not only want everything to conform to their perception of what is "reasonable" armor

No, I don't. I also don't think the term "fantasy" is referring to the armor par say, but the setting. "Fantasy" armour can still be realistic, and it's all the cooler for it, b/c it can become more epic and interesting, without becoming detached from the reality that armour is supposed to be just that, armour, it's not ment to be cheesecake, which seems closer along the lines of "fanservice"

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>> No.30723308

>>30722492

>Not getting 90%+ of your calories from dessert.
Check out this skinnyfat pleb.

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>>30723247
>elven slut-knights
I hear they learned the art of sluttery from their drow cousins and then somehow made slutting noble enough to consider it a knightly endeavor. That's an elf for ya.

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I'm a sucker for a girl showing a lot of tone.

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>> No.30723370

I'd have to disagree with the OP. Almost always see unrealistic depictions, especially in vidya.

To me, the idea of adventurers overcoming the odds despite their mundane attachments is the real thrill. Getting too fantasy with it bugs me.

>> No.30723371

Thing about armor is, It's designed to protect you. I don't have anything against "unrealistic" armor, and even cheesecake is fine if it's about "freedom of movement" for muh dodging, or some kind of enchanted nonsense.

But wearing a bikini into combat and claiming it'll protect you just as good as platemail is silly, and only to be done in such situations that nothing would be taken seriously anyway.

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I just wish people wouldn't come into ridiculous threads and then wank on about how much better their taste is for preferring realistic.

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>>30723247
... Aaaaand that's when I stop hopping for a few decent pictures that aren't just fetish shit like the bulk of the images in this thread.

>mfw it was really a magical realm the whole time and that one fag earlier was fucking right

>> No.30723388 [DELETED] 

>>30723274
>unironically using the word epic
Epic post, bro. Simply epic.

>> No.30723399

>>30722186

What bothers me about the realism argument is that it doesn't consider the rules of the world whatever set of armor is from and if it realistically works under them, as well as a shitload of other factors.

What basis does the historical armor of our world have in a world that fought completely different battles and developed completely different tactics than we ever would? Who's to say a human in D&D or Pathfinder isn't stronger or more durable than us? Or maybe that cat person needs an exposed midriff because their muscles move differently and would be hindered by full plate. Things like that.

Anyway, post more pics.

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>>30723347
>showing a lot of tone
Mah nigga

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>>30723380
Multiple posters, multiple tastes, my friend. Some people just want racy elves in bedsheets with silly flavor text, I on the other hand just happen like scantily clad warrior types.

>> No.30723447

Many of these pictures isn't the garb of a warrior. It is the garb of whores or sorceresses. So either they service me, or I kill them for witchery. Superstitious barbarian life is great.

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>>30723376
They can't help it. They main reason they hold such views is so they can posture themselves as "contrarian" and "progressive", so by their very nature they have to try and force these tastes on the other.

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>>30723423
Neat.

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>>30723380
Shut up Accelerator.

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>> No.30723517

>>30723399
That's generally because the apologists rarely attempt to apply those factors in any specific way.

>> No.30723524

I'm cool with it for window dressing, but let's not pretend these provide any protection in the slightest. It's likely some ceremonial thing, like Heavy Metal.

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>> No.30723556

>>30723524
Hey, a shoulder plate will protect your shoulder and any bit of loose garb can help protect you from the elements.

I won't say they protect your midriff from getting shot, but credit where credit is due.

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>> No.30723572

>>30723524

Could be also some sort of tribal culture/significance.

>> No.30723580

>>30723399
>Or maybe that cat person needs an exposed midriff because their muscles move differently and would be hindered by full plate
>not understanding how much flexibility real life full plate allows
There's a reason people in real life actually wore full plate; there's not much point in wearing armor if it doesn't give you decent freedom of movement. If full plate didn't offer good freedom of movement to its wearer, then nobody would have ever worn it because they would have just been waddling around on the battlefield waiting to get their skulls bashed in with maces.

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>> No.30723587

>>30722186

>what is suspension of disbelief

I'll just let the pasta explain it for you:

An author's work does not have to be realistic, only believable and internally consistent (see Magic A Is Magic A). When the author pushes the audience too far, the work fails. As far as science fiction is concerned, viewers are usually willing to go along with creative explanations unless the show tries to use real science, at which point it's fair game, though this is because Science Fiction is just that: Science FICTION. Attempting to use actual science to explain something you made up removes the story from its own fantasy universe and places it in the context of reality. That's why people don't criticize your wormhole travel system or how a shrinking potion doesn't violate the laws of matter conservation. Suspension of disbelief can be broken even in science fiction when a show breaks its own established laws or places said laws outside of fiction.

A common way of putting this is "You can ask an audience to believe the impossible, but not the improbable." For example, people will accept that the Grand Mage can teleport across the world, or that the spaceship has technology that makes it completely invisible without rendering its own sensors blind, but they won't accept that the ferocious carnivore just happened to have a heart attack and die right before it attacked the main character, or that the hacker guessed his enemy's password on the first try just by typing random letters, at least without some prior detail justifying it or one of the Rules listed below coming into play. What is in Real Life impossible just has to be made the norm in the setting and kept consistent.

>> No.30723592

>>30723370
>especially in vidya

Congratulations, you've discovered that he's probably not talking about vidya.

Further reminders of the topic may be found by noticing that you're on /tg/ and not /v/.

>>30723371

>But wearing a bikini into combat and claiming it'll protect you just as good as platemail is silly,

Yup. I've been RPGing for about 16 years, both as a DM and as a player. Never seen a rulebook that even makes the vaguest reference to chainmail bikinis or things of that nature being functional.

The sole exception is 3.5e Asgardian Gloryborn armor, which is extraplanar armor forged by Nordic celestial analogs in the fires of ADVENTURE from a dimension where people are continuously dying and being resurrected.

>> No.30723598

>>30723524
explain woad paint then. shit offered tons of protection

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>>30723370
>Almost always see unrealistic depictions, especially in vidya.
Then take it to /v/.
>>30723371
>But wearing a bikini into combat and claiming it'll protect you just as good as platemail is silly
Show me a rulebook that does this.

>> No.30723639

>>30723598
>woad paint

It...didn't? It was a culturally significant custom that was also a fear tactic for enemies? It didn't stop anything, but it surely scared the shit out of the guy trying to hit you, more likely making him miss his target.

>> No.30723645

>>30723587
Fortunately, as far as /tg/ related interests are concerned, chainmail bikinis and other sexy armors are not presented as functional.

Both people who like fun and hate fun can agree 100% that luckily, sexy armor is not presented as protective in TT RPGs.

>> No.30723652

>>30723592

To be fair, in Ysgard you only come back to life if you die gloriously in battle.

So, for them, looking really awesome is actually a better investment than trying not to die in the first place. Being a bitch about it might not get you brought back at all!

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>>30723376
i don't dislike unrealistic armour, i dislike boring armour.

look at a picture like >>30722980 and ask yourself "how much effort did the artist put into creating that outfit?" answer: zilch. there's nothing creative or interesting about it, it gives the strong impression that the artist could not give less of a shit about design and just wanted to show off as much bare skin as possible while still arguably not being porn.

it's not that i think cheesecake shouldn't exist, i just think it's often shit-tier art design and deserves the bad reputation it gets. if you show up at a session with a piece of art like that and everyone looks down at you, it's no good complaining "but muh fantasy". if you're going to play fantasy, why not show up with something actually imaginative?

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>>30723587

Cont:

Elaborating to your specific case, the premise that bikini armor is inconsistent, because people have basic knowledge of what an armor is, what it can protect people against and how much of one's body should be covered to be minimally effective. You can't alter this simple concept without fucking up your world's physics and creating infinite contradictions.

And if you're okay with contradictions your fantasy is low quality. I get it that it might be fun just like porn can be fun but from an aesthetically, intellectual perspective it's inferior so just acknowledge for what it is.

>> No.30723731

>>30723598
Yes, because as we all know, the northern european barbarians that wore warpaint were super competent military forces that conquered most of the known world, not like those stupid romans and greeks and persians with their "military strategy" and "structure". Everybody knows running into combat butt-naked and high on bloodlust is how all the great military forces of history have succeeded.

>> No.30723732

>>30723399
This fucker gets it.
You get a bonus point.

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>> No.30723755

>>30723093
>it enhances the quality of a story when one attempts to combine the fantastic with the logical
>Fantastic - Armor
>Logical - Fighting

Most people who like chainmail bikinis are not arguing that they should give the same bonuses as Full-plate.
Do you have a problem with all non heavily armored fighters? I assume no.
So don't let fantastic 'clothing' designs keep you from having fun in a fantasy game.

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>>30722929
Much as I like skimpy armor, the sheer improbability of those tits bothers me.

Here, have a pic

>> No.30723782
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So that's my orcs. What do you guys want? Cheesy elves or cheesy scifi?

>> No.30723783

>>30723652
Presumably, we're talking about D&D Ysgard, right? You can die ingloriously, pooping yourself in terror while cowering under a rock, you still get rezzed. You may have to find a new afterlife because they will probably make fun of you for all time.

Gloryborn armor does in fact work 100% well, it just looks like it doesn't.

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>>30723782
Oh, and I also have more cats if you're into that. Or brown girls.

>> No.30723821

>>30723728
Luckily, no TT (other than satire like BBB) claims chainmail bikinis work as armor, so you're just beating up a strawman. Enjoy.

>> No.30723856

>>30723731
Who won in the end?

Who sacked Rome?

>> No.30723872

>>30723821
>D&D
>Satire

>> No.30723903

>>30723815
i am sorely lacking in cats. por favor

>> No.30723912

>>30723856
Rome ended itself; we can pretend that magical realm armor could in some universe be practical, but let's not pretend that the barbarians did anything other than pick at a dying corpse.

>> No.30723921

Make your fantasy clothing stupid if you want, but armor is sacred. It has a purpose. And if it'g going to perform that purpose it needs to be (a) realistic or (b) be based on sound mechanical principles derived from fantastical elements in the world.

>> No.30723927 [SPOILER] 
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We're forgetting someone important

Please let someone have more metal panties

>> No.30723932

>>30723912
and that that dying corpse is the thing that uplifted the barbarians enough to ever have a chance to sack it.

>> No.30723968

>>30723921
>but armor is sacred
What is sacred about it and why?

>> No.30723980

>>30723872

D&D rulebooks never claims chainmail bikinis = armor, braintrust.

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>> No.30723991

>>30723912
Oh, no, the goths were plenty well armored, I'm just saying, they were comaritively Northern European, and I'm a contrarian asshat...

See my logic?

>> No.30723998

>>30723728
>bikini armor is inconsistent

Nobody claims that bikini armor is better then light clothing.
People fought in light clothing knowing
>what an armor is, what it can protect people against and how much of one's body should be covered to be minimally effective.

So there is no inconsistency. If a player wants chainmail bikini I ask them to explain why they wear that, and then let them have their fun playing the visually appealing character that they want to play.

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>>30723821

No, but some of them claim fantasy worlds that feature chainmail bikinis are just as respectable using fallacious arguments like pic related.

>> No.30724017

>>30723980
DMG2 from 3.5e says otherwise.

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>>30723903
Comin at ya! Fair warning: it's pretty much just mithra/miquote all the way down and even then, it's mostly just catbutts.

>> No.30724042

>>30722433
Pretty sure that's a nigger, bro.

>> No.30724050

>>30723968
I think he means that there's no real justification for having useless armour that isnt ceremonial or similar.

If an adventurer who we assume knows what theyre doing is going to wear armour, it's going to be armour that will protect them and not get them laughed at by whatever dragon theyre gonna try and kill

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>> No.30724064

>>30723991
No, it just looks like you're floundering in an attempt to not have to admit that you're wrong.

>> No.30724066

>>30723998

Well if you give them the appropriate defense penalties and can explain how in the world such an extravagant fetishistic armor was even created in the first place, then it's okay I guess.

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>>30723921
>armor is sacred
Nothing is, though. Finally taking that to heart is the trick to never getting offended, you know.
>>30724042
I thought I saw pointy ears.

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>>30723921
>Armor is sacred
Exactly sacred armor is always the skimpiest.

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I prefer practical looking stuff but what the hell, why not.

>> No.30724109

>>30724015
Narrativist horseshit games don't count, anon.

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>> No.30724127

>>30724064
> guy was ripping on Northern Europeans

> romewanking

I just wanted to end the romewanking.

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>>30724100

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>> No.30724135

>>30724066
>appropriate defense penalties

Counts as "nothing"

This is how it was handled all the way back to the most tittylicious days of the 2e cards that feature chainmail bikini'd warrior women. If they were warriors at all, they were protected by, at most, rings of protection, bracers of AC, etc.

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>>30724130

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>> No.30724162

>>30724134
she looks hiiiiigh as fuck

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>>30724147

>> No.30724176

>>30724050
That is fair. I was more concerned if there was something specific about armor that made it sacred.
I've always been a fan of superhuman reflex characters, where available, who used minimal armor for deflecting the few attacks they could not simply dodge.

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>>30724135
What if that chainmail bikini was made out of rings of protection painstakingly linked together? She wants to wear a full set of RoPmail, but she has to buy the rings one by one and link them together herself in order to do so.

That could be a fun character to play in a lighthearted campaign.

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>>30724162
Cats usually look/act high as fuck in my experience. Maybe they just gave her some catnip, too.

>> No.30724200

>>30724066
>appropriate defense penalties

No penalties, they just don't get the bonus that the armor would have given them.

D&D and lots of other systems allow powerful characters even if you choose to ignore something like armor.

Do you also hate on Monk threads for letting monks get away with not using weapons?

It is ridiculous to say that a hand can be as good as a pole-arm and that any soldier going into battle would not choose the superior weapon.

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>>30724172

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>>30724204

>> No.30724233

>>30724176
I like that shit a lot too, like a monk with light clothes and metal bracers or something?

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>> No.30724247

>>30724200
there's an explanation for that, though. monks use ki to enhance their punches but it doesn't extend to enhancing their weapons.

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>>30724226

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>> No.30724267

>>30724233
Fuck yeah, or the single metal gauntlet for parrying before delivering a horrific blow to the opponent.

>> No.30724272

>>30724183
Yes, since a ring of protection would work, more than one rings of protection would work.

If you want it to actually be a thing, +mmortals +andbook had a nicely balanced (>IMMORTALS HANDBOOK >BALANCED LOL MY SIDES etc. etc.) stacking system for Ioun Stones.

I like tittylicious adventurer babes. I have never seen a player, or any book, debate armor, because if you have the good sense to make a sexy PC, you probably have the good sense to pick one of the oodles of classes that wear armor.

My struggles in RPGs is to WEAR armor and have it be better than minimal/no armor. Usually play casters and shit for whom it would be utterly pointless.

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>> No.30724292

The discussion in this thread is stupid; I like cheesecake fantasy art as much as the next guy, but trying to defend its practicality is stupid. The fact that people in this thread are even attempting to defend how cheesecake armor could have practical use in fantasy settings leads me to believe that they are the kind of people that roll weird fetish characters and then try to convince their GM to let them play them. Jerk it to fantasy softcore all you want, but expecting your GM and rp group to put up with you playing some weird fetish thing is just rude and gross.

>> No.30724297

>>30724247
Why not?
I mean.

Like.

Wouldn't a wizard or someone be able to just put all those magical energies into directed force and shove a weapon into somebodies skull?

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>>30723248
>>30723388
Are you?
1) Butt blasted
2) Anally annihilated
3) Sphincter smashed

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>>30724260

>> No.30724316

>>30724233

My next character will be a Nymph Fighter who fights naked to use her unearthly beauty as a distraction.

If she was in Full-plate then people would not be hesitant to attack her.

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>>30724292
>all dose strawmans
>all dose hamboigas

>> No.30724324

>>30724297
because ki is life energy, it flows through the body. weapons are not part of the body.

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>>30724310

>> No.30724337

>>30724292

ANON hit STRAWMAN for 20 damage!
STRAWMAN was defeated!
ANON gained zero experience points!
ANON gained a level in social justice warrior!

>> No.30724345

>>30724292
I don't think you read the thread, or even the thread title, since there are more people defending the topic saying
>Point to me a game where it says chainmail bikinis actually provide you a defence bonus
then there are people saying
>Chainmail bikinis provide you a defence bonus

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>>30724247
I thought you weren't allowed to use the "but it''s magic!" argument.

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>>30724332

>> No.30724370

>>30724247

Explanation for chainmail bikini is that the fighter is channeling faith in her god of battle to deflect blows.

Hiding behind hunks of metal would not allow her to do that.

>> No.30724374

>>30724324
Okay
But
Like.
A sword is just a fulcrum.
Can't you just use ki to make your body swing really fast and make your sword hit really hard as a result?

>> No.30724376

>>30724316
Ask your DM to add a seduction skill for you, and use your feminine wiles to make them second guess attacking
your face when you realize it doesnt work on women
your face when you find one it DOES work on

>> No.30724377

>>30724351
>inb4 "ki isn't magic"

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>>30722186
Personally, I feel it depends on the mood and setting. A high-magic, punkish setting like, say, Planescape, chainmail bikinis should be as common as copper. While in Middle-Earth, padded leather and chainmail remains the standard dresscode.

But I digress. Here, have a Vivec.

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>> No.30724390

>>30724319
>>30724337
>muh strawman
the irony

>> No.30724396

I have no idea why the fuck this still gets discussed every day on this board. It's been solved ten thousand times already. You want to play a fun, silly game where you don't think too much about logic while dropping loot, unleashing magic and killing epic monsters? Then, by all means, go for the cheesecake on top. You want to play a toned-down, more gritty game, where everything has realistic consequences? Then don't include cheesecake armor. There are whores, and courtesans, and concubines, or even fertility priestesses for that.

I mean, if you just want an imagedump, just say so, it's not like they're not accepted on an imageboard.

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>>30724378
The best part is Vivec fulfills the role of both male and female cheesecake.

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>>30724359

>> No.30724418

>>30724396
Even if you just ask for a cheesecake/ridiculous imagedump, grognards will swarm all over it to wank about how superior their taste is for being realistic.

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>>30724409

>> No.30724440

>>30724418
and then you argue with them instead of ignoring them, good job

>> No.30724446

>>30724324

Armor is also not part of the body.

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>>30724396
>I mean, if you just want an imagedump, just say so
But I did say so.
>>30722186
>Let's have an armor cheesecake thread

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>>30724304
You're doing it wrong.

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>>30724437

>> No.30724465

>>30724418
Look, I prefer realistic shit. I don't swarm to these threads being a contrarian if the OP isn't being a faggot. I know it's fucking hard, but you don't necessarily have to generate anger in your fellows to have a decent thread. Go on, read OP, and tell me how he doesn't wank it over how his own taste for cheesecake is better.

>> No.30724476

>>30723639
>more likely to miss you
>not offering protection

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>>30724460
I feel like I'm cheating using drow...

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>> No.30724501

>>30722186
Ugh... As a recovering weeaboo who later got into the SCA, HEMA, and a handful of other martial arts, I am really fucking ambivalent about this.

At this point, I basically just want consistency. If you want to armor, and by extension combat, to function in a way completely grounded in the real world, that's great! I've read enough books and taken enough raps to my kettle helm to know where we stand. On the other hand, if rule of cool shall be the whole of the law, fucking fantastic! I'm willing to ignore everything I've learned in a decade of study and just roll with it. Whatever.

But if you want to have it both ways and adhere to realism until some completely arbitrary point, it will take every ounce of my self control to keep from strangling you, you coprophageous ponce.

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>>30724370
why isn't the fighter dressing in some kind of religious clothing then?

>the chainmail bikini is religious to her!

you know this is contrived and stupid but you're going to say it anyway.

>> No.30724505

>>30724440
>>30724465
I'm not talking about this thread.
This thread was doomed from the start. I'm talking about other threads I've seen that started with nothing more than "Ridiculous armor dump?" only to be filled by faggots wanking over pictures of historical armor and mocking everyone who dares enjoy ridiculous stuff.

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>>30724487

>> No.30724513

>>30724376

Unearthly beauty is not unearthly sexiness. I would exude a feeling of awe.
And if anything women are less prone to destroy beautiful things then men.

>> No.30724518

>>30723731
then explain why the greeks, romans and persian never conquered scotland even with their military strategy and armor

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>>30724487
I need more drow images anyways, so it's all good.

I just wish my neighbor's rooster would stop fucking crowing in the middle of the night.

>> No.30724532

>>30724505
Well, yeah, I've seen that. I've also seen the opposite happen. We're on 4chan, people are being faggots. Just ignore them.

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>>30724506

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I actually find the face sexier than the boobplate.

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>>30724503
Japan has an entire religious festival devoted to worshiping, dressing up as, and otherwise celebrating the penis. Frankly, chainmail bikinis would be a step up from some real world religious ceremonies.

You know, like biting off baby foreskins and shit.

>> No.30724567

>>30724505
Yes, and you argue with them instead of ignoring them. That's like coming across a bear in the woods and attacking it instead of ignoring it until it goes away.

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>>30724544

>> No.30724579

>>30722434
>all this talk

exdeath pls it's okay to like cheesecake, we can't all be into dat void

>> No.30724583

>>30724390
Nah.

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>> No.30724595

>>30724562
The context is completely different. Those Japanese warriors who worshipped the penis half-naked didn't go into combat without armor and shit.

CONTEXT.

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>that realization that 1/5th of these images are from FF11 and FF14

Equal amounts of fanservice armor and conservative/practical armor design. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not, because it's certainly not consistent, especially in 14's case when the above armor is statistically powerful while it would've been considered defenseless joke armor in 11.

>> No.30724605

>>30723274
What actually is the problem with fanservice? be it the hyper masculine power fantasy males, or the hyper sexualised power fantasy females?
what is actually wrong with this?

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>>30724578

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>>30724600
FFXI and XIV are pretty much the only sources of sexy fantasy catgirl armor. Well, them and Wakfu.

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>>30724612

>> No.30724650

>>30724605
nothing, but it looks stupid and implausible to a lot of people and strains suspension of disbelief even in a fantasy context. so you should always be aware there is a time and a place and sometimes that time and that place are not with the group of people you are roleplaying with.

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>>30724643

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>> No.30724689

>>30724650
Entirely depends on the setting. Exalted? You're a god. Shit like that doesn't fucking apply to your character.

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>>30724670

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>>30724595
They also aren't magically empowered by the Penis God, unlike in a fantasy setting where often times gods DO impart protection for following their rules and wearing their uniform.

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>>30724699

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>>30724503

What is religious clothing to a god of battle that disdains armor?

Plus clothing would not let her opponents see the depths of her faith, they would assume that she is hiding armor under it.

>chainmail bikini is religious to her
Could be because it is made out of religious texts?

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>> No.30724750

>>30724522
If you live in a city or town, that could be considered noise pollution and said rooster would then be taken away.

If you don't, then it falls to your countie's laws on whether or not that constitutes a complaint worthy of merit.

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>>30724650
>meanwhile in the fifteenth century

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>>30724722

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>>30724711

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>>30724763

>> No.30724796

>>30724727
>What is religious clothing to a god of battle that disdains armor?

a god of battle that disdains armor probably doesn't get much traffic in worshippers.

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>>30724772
Take that retarded caption shit back to /d/

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>>30722186
I just think more-covering armor is cooler.

>> No.30724814

>>30723182
This guy is really kermitted to his job as a fashion model.

>> No.30724831

>>30724814
I love you

>> No.30724840

Thats all, folks. Unless you want me to make another thread.

>> No.30724858

>>30724756
While that looks stupid, it is still practical armor, and most importantly, it doesn't inject unnecessary sexuality into situations where it isn't called for and will most likely just annoy your fellow players.

>> No.30724881

>>30724858
It's jousting armor specifically. Can hardly see anything with a helm like that.

>> No.30724886

>>30724796

They fight to prove their faith by discarding armor, and redeem their misdeeds by dying gloriously in battle.

>> No.30724891

>>30724600
Yeah, the whiners are bitching solely about /v/ stuff, and trying to shit up /tg/ with /v/ topics.

>> No.30724898

>>30722971
Being this nigger

>> No.30724908

>>30724689
Also note that in exalted, D&D, and pretty much any RPG as serious or more serious than exalted and D&D, chainmail bikinis are never claimed to work as armor.

Its just a strawman made by moronic refugees from /v/.

>> No.30724925

>>30723639
>missing the target
>not protective
Well, there goes your argument.

>> No.30724961

This thread:

Started 03/08/14(Sat)21:55, reached bump limit.

>>30720686
'realistic' female armor
Started 03/08/14(Sat)20:53
3 images posted.

>> No.30724966

>>30724898
>taking the bait
You're causing your own problems, you know that, right?

>> No.30724972

>>30724925

No, that's distraction. Protection is not the same. Protection is in the event of contact, what is there to mitigate damage.

>> No.30724998

>>30724377
Nope, just like ToB manuvers aren't magic, you just teleport by moving properly and can move at hyperspeed others have to use magic to achieve because you're just superfast for a few seconds.

>> No.30724999

>>30724727
Did... did she cut her nipple off? Because that's my fetish.

>> No.30725015

>>30724814
It's a girl.

>> No.30725054

>>30724972

Why would somebody going into battle care which method they use to not get killed?

Plus consider
>lightsabers
A lot of fantasy has weapons it is much better to never allow to touch you.

>> No.30725091

>>30724772
Okay man, I think you've had enough for one night.
Let's get you back to /d/.

>> No.30725096

>>30725054
there are different advantages to different methods, some work better with certain weapons, some workbetter against certain weapons, etc, etc

Give me a shield over "just dodge everything"

>> No.30725158

Sometimes I think the people who bitch about unrealistic armor and fanservice are just closet fags who are subconsciously repulsed by T n' A.

>> No.30725343

>>30725158
>Sometimes I think the people who bitch about unrealistic armor and fanservice are just closet FEMENAZIS who are subconsciously repulsed by T n' A.
>FTFY

>> No.30725421

>>30725343
>autists who are overly concerned with realism must secretly be mean feminists who just want to ruin my hobby
How much armor does a tinfoil hat give?

>> No.30725500

>>30725421
+3 to sneak checks

>> No.30725512

>>30725421
Great protection against psionics.

>> No.30725702

>>30725512
What if they were only fooled into thinking they got that bonus?

>> No.30725760

>>30725702
So it is a morale bonus?

>> No.30725767

>>30725702
Placebo is a specific type of bonus.

>> No.30725798

>>30722186
Way to act like you're so fucking oppressed, mr victim-complex

>> No.30725878

>>30724605
It makes you realise that a character is wearing an outfit not to serve any purpose of theirs, not even to sexually appeal to other characters, but merely to titillate the audience, whom the character isn't aware of.

>> No.30725900

>>30725512
That is going to be a thing in my next campaign.

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I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet, but I'm happy to do it.

>> No.30726123

>>30726090
But her uterus isn't exposed, there's skin in the way.

>> No.30726238

>>30722609
The universe needs more Pearshaped elves.

>> No.30726320

>>30724605
Man I hate sexual fan service, and before you fags jump on me screaming >'MUH FAN SERVICE'

This opinion I have is obviously subjective and "sexy fan service" may work for certain settings and stories.

However its a fact that this stuff applies to the lower common denominator. cause you know, sex sells with suspension of disbelief
out the window.

>> No.30726477

>>30726320
Sex and death are the two enduring fascinations of the human race.

>> No.30727078

>>30724961
I think it's funny how OP acts like cheesecake is ultra-hated and there's hardly any of it, then proceeds to watch the thread explode with it. Random people mention that they prefer realistic armor, and they get retards jumping down their throats for oppression.

>> No.30727107

>>30723121
I don't like her, she's just a human woman with tusks tacked on.

>> No.30727118

>>30723274
...is that dude holding a giant flute?

>> No.30727172

>>30723399
That is actually a valid point. Sometimes it's fun to take fantasy armors at face value, and then try to figure out what kind of wars it has been designed for i.e. assume that armor is always practical, no matter what it looks like.

>> No.30727597

>>30724370
This is a legitimate potential explanation.
its just not the ACTUAL explanation given by any fan-service work that I have seen.
Nobody argues that it is impossible to come up with some form of magic that justifies and explains it

>> No.30727622

>>30725798
That is a good point. OPs post is oozing victim complex. don't know what the fuck the guy is smoking.
Apparently anything shortt of sucking his cock is oppressing him.

>> No.30727689

>>30722186
What in tabletop gaming?

Of course not, it's 100% imagination shit looks however I want.

>> No.30727698

>>30722268

What's a Svartalfar leader doing here?

>> No.30727720

>>30723399
I've always figured that in high magic settings armor is basically just a big talisman containing protective enchantments. The coverage doesn't matter much because the magic is far stronger than the physical armor.

>> No.30727751

>>30723274
I agree with this for the most part, but I am fine with chainmail bikinis and boobplates and whatnot when it is a stylistic choice. When your setting is a very pulpy Conan the Barbarian-type thing with men dressed in nothing more than loincloth, boots and a single pauldron, then yes, your women can, and probably should, dress equally ridicilous.

>> No.30727954

>>30727078
Its reasonable to utterly hate censorship happy feminist enablers. They are terrible human beings. We are talking about scum that actually bitch and cry to game developers (as, remember, the censorship fags come to /tg/ to cry, but in reality, its a /v/ thing) to get them to censor their shit, and all too often it works.

Its not about "preferring realistic armor," its about "hey, this isn't to my taste, therefore NO ONE SHOULD HAVE IT."

>> No.30728031

>>30723580
Most people DIDN'T wear it

>> No.30728070

>>30724233
I love this shit. Really like armor that covers one side specifically, like full plate but only on the right side of the body. I'd post gunner armor from monster hunter or light female castanic armor from tera to demonstrate this if we had not hit the cap. also impossible to find the notcompletelyfetishyarmor with google image search dammit

>> No.30728071

>>30723653
>often shit-tier
Welcome to 90% of everything ever

>> No.30728083

>>30727954
>to get them to censor their shit, and all too often it works.

Is it really your belief that crying and bitching towards devs in forums/on tumblr/whatever actually results in changes in games?

>> No.30728089

>>30724015
Name them

>> No.30728092

>>30724370
what

>> No.30728105

>>30723856
Romans

>> No.30728188

>>30724324
>weapons are not part of the body.
You are no warrior

>> No.30728207

>>30724465
>I don't swarm to these threads being a contrarian if the OP isn't being a faggot
So you only go out of your way to actively ruin some threads?

How nice of you.

>> No.30728226

>>30724503
>contrived and stupid
Welcome to religion and fantasy

Enjoy your stay

>> No.30728247

>>30722214
>Invaded by a Red Phantom

>> No.30728270

There's nothing wrong with sexual expression in things, but I think it's pretty pathetic how easily and effectively this kind of thing is pandered to greasy neckbeards like OP. Pretty much how I feel about modern anime as well.

>> No.30728287

>>30728270
So your only problem with sexualized armor is that people generate art for it?

Just wait until I tell you about how there's an entire industry of porn to pander to people who like to look at porn...

>> No.30728310

>>30728287
Porn is upfront and honest at least about its intentions. Unnecessary cheesecake or fanservice rather cheapens the entirety of something just to get marketing points with 12 year olds who think with their dicks or simply aren't getting enough.

>> No.30728315

>>30724018
>miquote
I was disappointed when I found out that their men are basically cuckholded.

>> No.30728326

>>30728287
You only get porn when you look for porn.

You often get fanservice regardless of whatever you are looking for.

>> No.30729095

>>30722929
Where the fuck is her right nipple?

>> No.30729315

>>30729095
On her right breast, I believe.

Unless that is her left nipple and her right one is on the left breast, which would be odd.

>> No.30729788

>>30723182

...and that's why the sesame street LARP doesn't allow Lady Gaga to play a druid any more.

>> No.30729915

>>30723248
Anonymous 03/09/14(Sun)05:38 UTC+1 No.30723248
!

>>30723093
>>30722434
>>30722956 (You)
Woman hating samefag pls go

>> No.30729999

>>30723376
i believe we where invited, by the op, to answer the question posed in the op.

but when i answered the question in the op, the people or person ITT proved to be a cunt.

or maybe he thinks he's trolling, what a faggot regardless

>> No.30731045

>>30724772
tl:dr

>> No.30732228

>>30729915
>30722956 (You)
>Woman hating samefag pls go
You forgot to delete the (You) from one of the posts where you were quoting yourself and calling yourself a samefag

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