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Discuss setting, history, how you'd run as a game etc.

Oh, and also this! I'm sure Tolkien would be very proud of where his creation is going.
http://youtu.be/3CTGmnfrI2w

>> No.29747340

>> No.29747345

>>29747325
>I'm sure Tolkien would be very proud of where his creation is going.

You know nothing about the man, right?

>> No.29747408

>>29747325
>how you'd run as a game
I wouldn't. If you place it during the events of the books the players are either fuck up the continuity or get pissed because they aren't the important characters in that story. If you place it before the books (technically still during The Silmarillion I guess) they are still probably gonna fuck up the continuity or they are again gonna be pissed because they don't get to do anything important. And placing a game after the books is just depressing, because that implies that evil returns (which we know it eventually does) and things go to shit because humans can't control themselves and forget about the sacrifices they made to save the world just a few years earlier.

>> No.29747418

>>29747408

Pretty much. Tolkienverse is one of the most rpg-unfriendly setting out there, as (partially) shown by DM of the Rings.

>> No.29747441

>>29747340
...ouch.

>> No.29747442

>>29747408
Did you ever play the MMO?

The early parts of the game (well, and more of it) is just you 'skirting' the main story. Like, at times literally being on the opposite side of chasms from the fellowship as they do something more important than whatever stupid thing you are up to.

It was so aggravating.

>> No.29747465

>>29747340
I don't know if the video is still on the web, but the audio is even more heart crushing.
Hearing Ian crying and complaining about he didn't became an actor for this kind of shit just makes you think if all this High-tech special effects bullshit is worth it.

>> No.29747473

>>29747465
>The Hobbit
>worth it

If it solved world hunger, I guess.

>> No.29747474

>>29747465
Mayonnaise garglers doesn't have the willpower to endure real fantasy movies acting.
You don't like the green walls? Fuck you, keep acting so I can get entertained.

>> No.29747476

>>29747325
>>29747408
If I had to, it'd probably involve nazgul that avoided destruction, a surviving balrog, and maybe a corrupted blue wizard or two. Superfriends of Evil.

>> No.29747479

>>29747345
He was being ironic, see his picture

>> No.29747483

>>29747465
>makes you think if all this High-tech special effects bullshit is worth it.
CGI effects have always been dumb. If anything could have been done with practical effects, it probably should have been done with practical effects.

>> No.29747501

WTF happened to Ungoliant was never explained, only >implied. And she was tough enough to take out Morgoth, so she'd be a fitting BBEG. Could throw in Thuringwethil.

>> No.29747506

>>29747465
What, you would diminish the aesthetics of the finished artistic piece because the process of its creation depresses you?

Is this what it is like on /tv/? I bet it is.

>> No.29747512

>>29747483
Practical effects usually suppose a higher spend of money according to ex-Barbara Streisand barbers obsessed with big fucking spiders.
If you want to use practical effects, you must hire experts on animatronics, puppeters, dioaramas... is cheaper to hire a studio of fat fucks/skinnyfags melted on keyboards do that work.
After all, not everyone is Jim Henson.

>> No.29747542

>>29747465
Being paid millions to do something depressing seems like a good trade.

>> No.29747544

>>29747512
CGI isn't actually any cheaper from what I understand, but CGI studios work much faster which means that the film studio can start repaying their loan much sooner and thus not have to pay as much interest.

>> No.29747549

Then there was MERP

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bstk8yrbao5vu/MERP

>> No.29747550

>>29747506
It is much worse

>> No.29747573

>>29747549
Ah yes, MERP.

Written by people who thought adding in God Damn Harry Potter style magic was a better idea than just letting you play an istari, maia, or maia-blooded type.

>> No.29747588

>>29747506
>you would diminish the aesthetics of the finished artistic piece
You can't really diminish the value of something that has none.

>because the process of its creation depresses you?
Because it looks bad. The process alone isn't reason enough to call bullshit on the method, but the fact that the process is depressing certainly isn't a point in favor of CGI.

>> No.29747604

>>29747588
You believe the Hobbit movies have no artistic value? Explain.

>> No.29747613

>>29747465
I just have to say... keep in mind that stage actors have been pretending to ride in boats made of cardboard, fight plaster monsters, speak to invisible spirits, do quick wardrobe changes to become someone else in real time, and all sorts of difficult and concentration-breaking tasks for centuries.

Actors are also drama queens--often the best ones are also the most emotionally fragile.

And the lighting on that greenscreen a shit. I feel worse for the FX guy who had to pull the key.

>> No.29747626

>>29747465
>>29747588
>>29747604

Its blatantly false to say the Hobbit has no aesthetics at all. Shitpunk would still qualify as an aesthetic. Bad aesthetics are still aesthetics.

I don't get what's up with the weird fascination for CGI that leads "eating at a dinner table" to require God Damn Fucking CGI.

You're at a dinner table.

Why do you need CGI for that.

>> No.29747644

>>29747626
Because Gandalf is big and dwarves are small, jesus christ
and don't give me that "but they managed without CGI in LotR" line, the methode used there would not work with so many people around

>> No.29747660

>>29747604
I guess technically shit is a value, which makes my previous statement a lie. I'll change it to something more like
>you can't diminish what is already at rock bottom

>> No.29747680

>>29747660
Don't dodge the question. What is wrong with the movies, artistically? You obviously have strong opinions on it, I just want to hear your explanation for it.

>> No.29747737

>>29747644
Dwarves are short. They're not inhumanly short.

>> No.29747845

>>29747737
they're no hobbits, but not much bigger.
In LotR they used perspective, but in Hobbit they couldn't just put all dwarves far away and Gandalf up close, it'd be too obvious

>> No.29747848

>>29747680
If you really think you'll get a simple answer to a question like that you have issues. Essentially everything about the movies are bad, they have no substance and the aesthetic qualities can be summarized as
>cheap CGI in quick succession shots and dramatic camera angles all the time
which frankly bored me so much that I was close to falling asleep in the theater.

>> No.29747859

>>29747845
Hm. I've never gotten the impression that dwarves were that fucking small til the Peterverse had them so. I've always thought of them as medium sized.

Well, that's a lie: I've always thought they'd be better as small sized, but most RPGs handle them as medium.

Tiny dorfs is weird for a number of reasons, including that it becomes questionable how the heck they could fight orcs and survive.

>> No.29747879

>>29747859
>how the heck they could fight orcs and survive.
Orcs are also supposed to be tiny. Some of the smaller ones being as small as hobbits, and the biggest being no taller than short men.

>> No.29747881

>>29747848
I don't expect a simple answer, I just want the explanation you have.

I don't think anything about the CGI was cheap (if anything, it was quite the opposite of cheap). I can see what you mean about dramatic camera angles, though I would say they intended the scenes to be dramatic... so that is sort of expected.

I don't know if your complaints are exactly damning for the movie. Though if you found it boring, that is a problem for the creators all by itself.

>> No.29747900

>>29747881
>I don't think anything about the CGI was cheap
You can't seriously be saying that you thought the golden T-1000 statue at the end was anything but the single ugliest special effect in the history of special effects.

>> No.29747902

>>29747465
>>29747340
What the fuck. That must have been the shittiest job.

>> No.29747914

>>29747900
I saw the first Harry Potter movie. Do you remember that troll?

We are spoiled for CGI these days

>> No.29747941

>>29747914
When Harry Potter came out that was about what you exected CGI to look like. The only strange thing about it is that some CGI effects still look like they come straight from The Philosopher's Stone.

>> No.29747975

>>29747325
So, you basically play as a dude possessed by a Maia or something? Well, I suppose that's as lore-friendly a way to give your protagonist magical powers as you're going to get. Giving him mental domination powers marks the spirit in question as being undoubtably Evil, though; only the followers of Melkor possess/are willing to use that ability.

>> No.29747990

>>29747975
He seems like a pretty evil main character. Well, 'dark' I guess.

>> No.29748017

>>29747975
>>29747990
I'm pretty sure in the end the twist will be it was all Sauron's plan and the MC turns evil
Also it's refreshing to see a reaction different than "lore rape, lore rape, behead all who insult tolkien

>> No.29748047

>>29747975
Tolkien was all that crazy about all out good and evil characters, actually.

>‘Some reviewers have called the whole thing simple-minded, just a plain fight between Good and Evil, with all the good just good, and the bad just bad. Pardonable, perhaps (though at least Boromir has been overlooked) in people in a hurry and with only a fragment to read and of course without the earlier-written but unpublished Elvish histories [The Silmarillion]. The Elves are not wholly good or in the right. Not so much because they had flirted with Sauron, as because with or without his assistance they were 'embalmers'. In their way the Men of Gondor were similar: a withering people whose only 'hallows' were their tombs. But in any case this is a tale about a war, and if war is allowed (at least as a topic and a setting) it is not much good complaining that all the people on one side are against those on the other. Not that I have made even this issue quite so simple: there are Saruman, and Denethor, and Boromir; and there are treacheries and strife even among the Orcs. [Besides], in this 'mythology' all the 'angelic' powers concerned with this world were capable of many degrees of error and failing, between the absolute Satanic rebellion and evil of Morgoth and his satellite Sauron, and the fainéance of some of the other higher powers or 'gods'. The 'wizards' were not exempt. Indeed, being incarnate, they were more likely to stray, or err. Gandalf alone fully passes the tests, on a moral plane anyway (he makes mistakes of judgement). Since in the view of this tale and mythology, Power, when it dominates or seeks to dominate other wills and minds (except by the assent of their reason) is evil, these 'wizards' were incarnated in the life-forms of Middle-earth, and so suffered the pains both of mind and body.’

>> No.29748056

>>29747975
But... only Eru can bring back from the dead.

>> No.29748058

>>29748017
Well I've never read a Tolkien book, so I don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to calling out lore rape.

Give it some time, I think this trailer came out yesterday. The lore rape brigade will go into full swing.

>> No.29748059

>>29748047 cont.
>‘So I feel that the fiddle-faddle in reviews, and correspondence about them, as to whether my 'good people' were kind and merciful and gave quarter (in fact they do), or not, is quite beside the point. Some critics seem determined to represent me as a simple-minded adolescent, inspired with, say, a ‘With-the-flag-to-Pretoria’ spirit, and wilfully distort what is said in my tale. I have not that spirit, and it does not appear in the story. The figure of Denethor alone is enough to show this; but I have not made any of the peoples on the 'right' side, Hobbits, Rohirrim, Men of Dale or of Gondor, any better than men have been or are, or can be. Mine is not an 'imaginary' world, but an imaginary historical moment on 'Middle-earth' – which is our habitation.’

>> No.29748074

>>29748056
Nope. Both Sauron and Gandalf returned from the dead. Gandalf had the hope of that really hot eagle-girl, I think, but Sauron did it on his own. Hell, even the nazgul can come back from the dead.

>> No.29748117

>>29748059
>>29748047
Awesome.

>> No.29748170

>>29748058
Oh I frequent /v/, I know how it will be

>> No.29748220

>Talion

Son of Tali!

>> No.29748228

>>29747501
I wouldn't use Ungoliant, just maybe bring in a child of hers. Thuringwethil would be a pretty good choice, and perhaps another dormant Balrog pal.

>> No.29748258

>>29747501
She's dead. Either because she ate herself or because Eärendil slew her, but she's definetly dead.

>> No.29748293

>>29748017
>it was all Sauron's plan and the MC turns evil

>> No.29748317

>>29747881
>I don't expect a simple answer, I just want the explanation you have.
The point is that explanation can't possibly be made simple enough for an imageboard post that also has to be sent within a reasonable amount of time. The best you can hope for is a snapshot of whatever he can remember at that moment which isn't necessarily the thinsg he disliked the most.

>> No.29748322

>>29747442
That 'literally' never happens

>> No.29748325

>>29748074
Sauron and Olorin didn't really die, Anon, so it shouldn't be properly said that they "came back from the dead"

Imagine that I shattered your home apart and drove you forth, in exile.

You would still exist, but your home would be wrecked. You would have to build a new one before you could properly inhabit a place again.

It's kind of like that. Maiar are rarely killed (maybe never killed,) but many have been shaken from their physical forms in the stories, and either forced to make do without, scrounge up a new one, or received a new one from their patrons.

>> No.29748327

>>29748322
Really? Because it literally happens in one of the opening quests of the game.

Literally

>> No.29748347

>>29748059
Whiny cunt thinks he's not a racist piece of shit, more at eleven.

>> No.29748380

>>29748325
>tfw Rada-chan smells of bird poo

>> No.29748404

>>29748325
I'd berry my dick so far up Saruman's ass that whoever pulled it out would command an army worthy of Mordor

>> No.29748451

>>29748325
>all that sameface

>> No.29748460

>>29748228
That Balrogette should have bigger boobs.

>> No.29748489

>>29748460
She was grumpy because she was the least endowed of her entire race. That's why she hid out underground for so long, Anon. When the Naugrim woke her, she mistakenly believed that they were sent to mock her bust, and so she destroyed them utterly.

>> No.29748491

>>29748325
What would had happen if the Istari all took the form of buxom girls?

>> No.29748510

>>29748491
Essentially the same thing would happen with Gandalf and Saruman, since they would still counter one another. Enhancing their appeal wouldn't change much.

Radagast would still be homeless as fuck, so not much changes there.

The big question is whether the Blue Wizards were opposing Sauron in the East, or not. If they were, they'd use their new womanly powers to prevent most of the Easterlings from aiding Sauron, and the war would go much easier for everyone else.

>> No.29748518

>>29748491
Much the same, except they'd be known as witches rather than wizards and perhaps Gandalf would be known as a seductress rather than a bringer of bad news.

>> No.29748558

>>29748491
Does this mean that all the Valar and Maiar are swapped, or just the Istari?

>> No.29748560

>>29748518
>Inb4 someone decides to turns Rule 63 Saruman and Grima into a lesbian couple.

>> No.29748571

>>29747340
Source, please? Google ain't getting me anything.

>> No.29748582

>>29748558
Just the Istari
All the other characters keep their previous gender.

>> No.29748612

>>29748582
That's no good

>> No.29748613

>>29748571
Quite hard you find the video, it was taken from the net because the producers and Jason thought it could be bad propaganda for the films.
Also Ian got quite embarrassed it was leaked into the net.

>> No.29748637

>>29748582
Aw, no gril Melkor?

>> No.29748646

>>29748612
It would be interesting to add swapped hobbits and elves into the equation.

>> No.29748893

>>29748637
>deranged superbitch
>stealing jewelry
>stepping on elves
>ruining everything

That's something, I guess.

>> No.29748907

>>29748612

>> No.29748921

>>29748893
Mordor Shore

>> No.29748983

>Sauron returned and killed everyone you loved.

...Wait didnt Sauron return to Mordor post the White Council defeated the Necromancer (Sauron)? He didnt have a physical body by then. Why can this guy turn into one of those cursed human traitors from whatsit called who cant even leave the place. How can anyone be wraith like in Mordor when the Eye of Sauron would destroy or enslave all spirits in that vicinity?

>> No.29749121

>>29748983
Trying to pin down Sauron's capabilities are as vague as you'd think a shapechanging wraith-demon-thing.

>> No.29749442

>"Why didn't you ride the eagles when I specifically said 'Fly, you fools?'"

>> No.29749637

>>29748347
I'm not sure racism was ever brought up in that quote. You should probably just calm down a go back to tumblr, you'll feel better.

>> No.29749672

>>29748327
Not in the MMO. It was in one of the console games though. I don't see how you could confuse that with the MMO unless you're clinically retarded though.

>> No.29749711

>>29748059
The letter continues

>‘With regard to The Lord of the Rings, I cannot claim to be a sufficient theologian to say whether my notion of orcs is heretical or not. I don't feel under any obligation to make my story fit with formalized Christian theology, though I actually intended it to be consonant with Christian thought and belief, which is asserted somewhere, where Frodo asserts that the orcs are not evil in origin. We believe that, I suppose, of all human kinds and sons and breeds, though some appear, both as individuals and groups to be, by us at any rate, unredeemable. I suppose a difference between this Myth and what may be perhaps called Christian mythology is this: in the latter the Fall of Man is subsequent to and a consequence (though not a necessary consequence) of the 'Fall of the Angels', a rebellion of created free-will at a higher level than Man; but it is not clearly held (and in many versions is not held at all) that this affected the 'World' in its nature: evil was brought in from outside, by Satan. In my Myth the rebellion of created free-will precedes creation of the World (Eä); and Eä has in it, subcreatively introduced, evil, rebellions, discordant elements of its own nature already when the Let it Be was spoken. The Fall or corruption, therefore, of all things in it and all inhabitants of it, was a possibility if not inevitable. Trees may 'go bad' as in the Old Forest; Elves may turn into Orcs, and if this required the special perversive malice of Morgoth, still Elves themselves could do evil deeds. Even the 'good' Valar as inhabiting the World could at least err; as the Great Valar did in their dealings with the Elves; or as the lesser of their kind (as the Istari or wizards) could in various ways become self-seeking.’

>> No.29749719

>>29747544
That means it's cheaper. Unit cost is lower.

>>29747588
Have you ever spent time around real actors? Ones who actually get work?

They're not fun people like the interviews suggest. That is what we would call "an act".

Look at it this way: you've been at the same job for 30 years. You know all different kinds of people, you've seen some great stuff and some fucking awful stuff on and off set, but you've stuck it out and you're at the top of your profession.

Does it matter if you don't enjoy every moment of your working life? Does it matter more if you complain after a couple of 14 hour days of doing the same thing over and over until you - not someone else but you - get it right according to the script you agreed to, than if someone who works in an office works a few 14 hours days trying to sort out a database and has a little bitch about it?

Would it matter more for the office if that rant was recorded and put on youtube?

You starfucking garbage.

>> No.29749724

>>29749711
And on the subject of Sauron

>The theory, if one can dignify the modes of the story with such a term, is that he was a spirit, a minor one but still an 'angelic' spirit. According to the mythology of these things, that means that, though of course a creature, he belonged to the race of intelligent beings that were made before the physical world, and were permitted to assist in their measure in the making of it. Those who became most involved in this work of Art, as it was in the first instance, became so engrossed with it, that when the Creator made it real (that is, gave it the secondary reality, subordinate to his own, which we call primary reality, and so in that hierarchy on the same plane with themselves) they desired to enter into it, from the beginning of its 'realization'. They were allowed to do so, and the great among them became the equivalent of the 'gods' of traditional mythologies; but a condition was that they would remain 'in it' until the Story was finished. They were thus in the world, but not of a kind whose essential nature is to be physically incarnate. They were self-incarnated, if they wished; but their incarnate forms were more analogous to our clothes than to our bodies, except that they were more than are clothes the expression of their desires, moods, wills and functions. Some had attached themselves to such major artists and knew things chiefly indirectly through their knowledge of the minds of these masters. Sauron had been attached to the greatest, Melkor, who ultimately became the inevitable Rebel and self-worshipper of mythologies that begin with a transcendent unique Creator.

>> No.29749737

>>29749724
continued

>In the Silmarillion and Tales of the First Age Sauron was a being of Valinor perverted to the service of the Enemy [Melkor] and becoming his chief captain and servant. He repents in fear when the First Enemy is utterly defeated, but in the end does not do as was commanded, return to the judgement of the gods. He lingers in Middle-earth. Very slowly, beginning with fair motives: the reorganising and rehabilitation of the ruin of Middle-earth, 'neglected by the gods', he becomes a reincarnation of Evil, and a thing lusting for Complete Power – and so consumed ever more fiercely with hate (especially of gods and Elves). Sauron was of course not 'evil' in origin. He was a 'spirit' corrupted by the Prime Dark Lord (the Prime sub-creative Rebel) Morgoth. He was given an opportunity of repentance, when Morgoth was overcome, but could not face the humiliation of recantation, and suing for pardon; and so his temporary turn to good and 'benevolence' ended in a greater relapse, until he became the main representative of Evil of later ages.

>> No.29749748

>>29749737
Sauron in the Second Age

>Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic. In his earlier incarnation he was able to veil his power (as Gandalf did) and could appear as a commanding figure of great strength of body and supremely royal demeanour and countenance. But at the beginning of the Second Age he was still beautiful to look at, or could still assume a beautiful visible shape – and was not indeed wholly evil, not unless all 'reformers' who want to hurry up with 'reconstruction' and 'reorganization' are wholly evil, even before pride and the lust to exert their will eat them up. But many Elves listened to Sauron. He was still fair in that early time, and his motives and those of the Elves seemed to go partly together: the healing of the desolate lands. Sauron found their weak point in suggesting that, helping one another, they could make Western Middle-earth as beautiful as Valinor. It was really a veiled attack on the gods, an incitement to try and make a separate independent paradise. Gil-galad repulsed all such overtures, as also did Elrond. But at Eregion great work began – and the Elves came their nearest to falling to 'magic' and machinery. With the aid of Sauron's lore they made Rings of Power ('power' is an ominous and sinister word in all these tales, except as applied to the gods). Sauron dominates all the multiplying hordes of Men that have had no contact with the Elves and so indirectly with the true and Unfallen Valar and gods. Thus, as the Second Age draws on, we have a great Kingdom and evil theocracy (for Sauron is also the god of his slaves) growing up in Middle-earth. He rules a growing empire from the great dark tower of Barad-dûr in Mordor, near to the Mountain of Fire, wielding the One Ring.

>> No.29749755

>>29749748
On the One Ring

>But to achieve this he had been obliged to let a great part of his own inherent power (a frequent and very significant motive in myth and fairy-story) pass into the One Ring. While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself: he was not 'diminished'. Unless some other seized it and became possessed of it. If that happened, the new possessor could (if sufficiently strong and heroic by nature) challenge Sauron, become master of all that he had learned or done since the making of the One Ring, and so overthrow him and usurp his place. This was the essential weakness he had introduced into his situation in his effort (largely unsuccessful) to enslave the Elves, and in his desire to establish a control over the minds and wills of his servants. There was another weakness: if the One Ring was actually unmade, annihilated, then its power would be dissolved, Sauron's own being would be diminished to vanishing point, and he would be reduced to a shadow, a mere memory of malicious will. But that he never contemplated nor feared. The Ring was unbreakable by any smithcraft less than his own. It was indissoluble in any fire, save the undying subterranean fire where it was made – and that was unapproachable, in Mordor. Also so great was the Ring's power of lust, that anyone who used it became mastered by it; it was beyond the strength of any will (even his own) to injure it, cast it away, or neglect it. So he thought. It was in any case on his finger. Sauron would not have feared the Ring! It was his own and under his will. Even from afar he had an effect upon it, to make it work for its return to himself. In his actual presence none but very few of equal stature could have hoped to withhold it from him. Of 'mortals' no one, not even Aragorn.

>> No.29749767

>>29749755
continued

>The Ring of Sauron is only one of the various mythical treatments of the placing of one's life, or power, in some external object, which is thus exposed to capture or destruction with disastrous results to oneself. If I were to 'philosophize' this myth, or at least the Ring of Sauron, I should say it was a mythical way of representing the truth that potency (or perhaps rather potentiality) if it is to be exercised, and produce results, has to be externalized and so as it were passes, to a greater or less degree, out of one's direct control. A man who wishes to exert 'power' must have subjects, who are not himself. But he then depends on them.

>> No.29749781

>>29749767
On Númenor

>Ar-Pharazôn, as is told in the 'Downfall' or Akallabêth, conquered a terrified Sauron's subjects, not Sauron. Sauron's personal 'surrender' was voluntary and cunning: he got free transport to Numenor! He naturally had the One Ring, and so very soon dominated the minds and wills of most of the Númenóreans. (I do not think Ar-Pharazôn knew anything about the One Ring. The Elves kept the matter of the Rings very secret, as long as they could. In any case Ar-Pharazôn was not in communication with them). Sauron had recourse to guile. He submitted, and was carried off to Númenor as a prisoner-hostage. But he was of course a 'divine' person (in the terms of this mythology; a lesser member of the race of Valar) and thus far too powerful to be controlled in this way. He steadily got Arpharazôn's mind under his own control, and in the event corrupted many of the Númenóreans, destroyed the conception of Eru, now represented as a mere figment of the Valar or Lords of the West (a fictitious sanction to which they appealed if anyone questioned their rulings), and substituted a Satanist religion with a large temple, the worship of the dispossessed eldest of the Valar (the rebellious Dark Lord of the First Age).

>> No.29749788

>>29749781
continued

>Then, Sauron was defeated by a 'miracle': a direct action of God the Creator, changing the fashion of the world, when appealed to by Manwë. Though reduced to 'a spirit of hatred borne on a dark wind', I do not think one need boggle at this spirit carrying off the One Ring, upon which his power of dominating minds now largely depended. That Sauron was not himself destroyed in the anger of the One is not my fault: the problem of evil, and its apparent toleration, is a permanent one for all who concern themselves with our world. The indestructibility of spirits with free wills, even by the Creator of them, is also an inevitable feature, if one either believes in their existence, or feigns it in a story. Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster, and diminished (having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor).

>> No.29749808

>>29749788
And on Sauron and the Third Age

>Sauron was always de-bodied when vanquished. He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation, and for gaining control over his former subjects. He was attacked by Gil-galad and Elendil before his new domination was fully established. After the battle with Gil-galad and Elendil, Sauron took a long while to re-build, longer than he had done after the Downfall of Númenor (I suppose because each building-up used up some of the inherent energy of the spirit, which might be called the 'will' or the effective link between the indestructible mind and being and the realization of its imagination). The impossibility of re-building after the destruction of the Ring, is sufficiently clear 'mythologically' in the present book.

The letter is much longer and goes into great detail on all the failings of both the heroes and the servants of Morgoth and Sauron, but this is starting to feel like work already.

>> No.29749844

>>29749121
Not really. After the fall of Númenor he could only take on frightful shapes. After he lost the One-Ring he could take no physical shape. After his defeat he could take no physical or spiritual shape.

>> No.29750030

>>29747340
This is one of the most depressing things I've seen on the internet in a long time. Poor Ian.

Fuck, I didn't even realise that scene used green screen. I thought they built a set and just put everyone on different sized chairs.

>> No.29750127

>>29750030
Everything is green screens and CGI in The Hobbit. Absolutely everything. By the third movie even the hobbit and the dwaves will be CGI.

>> No.29750268

>>29750127
w-what about the bar in Bree or Beorn's house or Bard's house?

>> No.29750326

>>29750268
If Gandalf can be seen on the same screen as a dwarf or hobbit it's green screened.

>> No.29750456

>>29749844
i'll rek u, i sware on me kin

>> No.29750707

I don't get why Tolkien would hate Shadow of Mordor... looks pretty good and interesting IMO

>> No.29751097

Maybe someone more knowledgable than myself could answer this for me. Apparently, before Shadow of Mordor but post Sauron's defeat, Mordor gets settled by people. Trees grow, flowers bloom, birds chirp, everybody's cheery. What confuses me, is that this is Mordor. Is it even possible for life to flourish (at the very least so soon) after Sauron's defeat? I mean the place just seems like it'd be PURE EVIL and just remain some desolate, bleak place. Who would want to raise a family THERE?

>> No.29751168

>>29751097

Mordor is actually extremely fertile due to the volcanic soil. It is explicitly mentioned that the immense tracts of farmland in the southern plateau and Nurn is what feeds Sauron's armies.

>> No.29751256

>>29751168
This Anon has it; the part that's all fucked up that everyone worries about is the plateau of Gorgoroth, which they had to cross to get to Mount Doom.

Further into Mordor proper there's loads of good farmland tended by enslaved eastern and southern folk, mostly.

>> No.29751308

>>29751256
>>29751168
Oh, okay. That makes sense.

>> No.29751368

>>29750707
Because its full of plot contradictions and is a cheap Assgreed ripoff.

>> No.29751577

>>29751368
>plot contradictions
Like what? Honestly curious, I'm hardly a Tolkien buff. Is it people settling Mordor (as in, was it not done, not whether it can't be)? Is it the whatever-the-fuck "Wraith World" powers the MC has? What?

>> No.29751602

>>29751368
I suppose, but still, disregarding any plot-fuckery, the gameplay looks pretty fun. You could just take it as using the setting of LOTR but with an alternate timeline or somesuch.

>> No.29751623

>>29751577
Curious about plot contradictions too. Name a few?

>> No.29751624

I just run The One Ring RPG when I wanna run a LotR game.
It suits the feel better then anything else out there.

>> No.29752293

>>29751624
Is that fun? It sounds kinda interesting.

>> No.29752387

>>29749808
Source on the letter?

>> No.29752427

>>29751368
>cheap Assgreed ripoff
aw shit, you saw that too? I wonder if they use the same engine. Not that I have a problem with it, I greatly enjoyed the Assassin's Creed games.

>> No.29753273

>>29748637
But is girl Melkor compelling?

>> No.29753299

>>29752387
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien

>> No.29753924

>>29753273
I bet she had a rocking booty.

>> No.29754162

>>29753924
Yeah, but she was consumed by envy of Feanora's shining orbs.

>> No.29754455

>>29747418
No, DM of the Rings was a shit-tier DM railroading the shit out of the party. Tolkien himself is the kind to create a giant world with backstory and everything and then he would just let the world respond accordingly to whatever you do.

>> No.29754861

Eä!

>> No.29754872

>>29754861

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>>29754872

>> No.29754916

>>29747975
>So, you basically play as a dude possessed by a Maia or something?
Nope!
It's a Wraith who isn't a Maia but is in fact a good guy and basically helps Talion get back at Sauron for some shit

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>>29754888

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>>29747340
I'm going to try a google image

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>>29755052

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>>29755081

>> No.29755097

>>29747408
>not saying fuck the continuity in every RPG

Choo choo!

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>>29755096

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>>29755119

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>>29747626
They can't used forced perspective because of the 3D, so they just did it with CGI.

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>>29755137

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>>29755157

>> No.29755190

>>29747573
It is, actually. There are sorcerers in Middle Earth, while there are a finite and known number of Istari and if you just made one up it'd be stupid.

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>>29755185

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>> No.29755312

>>29747340
"In order to shoot the dwarves and a large Gandalf, we couldn’t be in the same set. All I had for company was 13 photographs of the dwarves on top of stands with little lights – whoever’s talking flashes up. Pretending you’re with 13 other people when you’re on your own, it stretches your technical ability to the absolute limits. I cried, actually. I cried. Then I said out loud, ‘This is not why I became an actor’. Unfortunately the microphone was on and the whole studio heard.”

– Sir Ian McKellen

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>>29755308

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>>29755328

>> No.29755364

>>29749844
He had a physical shape by the War of the Ring.

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>>29755354

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>>29755375

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>>29755545

>> No.29755569

>>29747325
>that video
>Ranger's Creed is now a game

And the worst part is it actually looks pretty good[/spoiler

I can totally dig it. Some rogue spirit using some guy as a tool to work against Sauron? Honestly does kind of sound like something Tolkien would have thought of

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>>29755558

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>>29755608

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>>29755655

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>>29755678

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>>29755698

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>>29755740

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>>29755820

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>>29755850

>> No.29755882

>>29747660
>Wow look at how great my taste in movies are!
>I shit on things so I don't have fun!
>I'll make sure I tell everyone about it!

>> No.29755897

>>29747325
That game looks so shit... But im probably going to buy it anyway

>> No.29755898

>>29755877

>> No.29755919

>>29755898

>> No.29755925

I don't like the lotr setting because the magic is very ill-defined and hard to put in.

I actually like ambigious, mystical magic shit.

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>>29755919

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>>29755949

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>>29755977

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>>29755994

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>>29756009

>> No.29756040

The English in the comic is a bit... off. It's bugging me.

>> No.29756044

>>29756024
Fin

>> No.29756056

>>29755925
What?

>> No.29756164

>>29756044
Bravo

>> No.29756169

So guys, quick question. I've read through all of the books I have on this but I can't really find an answer.
Has it ever been confirmed that the Arkenstone is a Silmaril?

>> No.29756173 [SPOILER] 

>>29749711
>>29749719
>>29749724
>>29749737
>>29749748
>>29754861
>>29754872
>>29754888
>>29756009
>>29756024
>>29756044
>TLDR
>TLDR
>TLDR

>> No.29756181

>>29756056

I meant that despite my enjoyment of mystical, ambigious magic, I do not enjoy lotr's magic.

I'm on my phone so not as easy to articulate my thoughts.

>> No.29756225

source or zip of comic?

>> No.29756233

>>29756169
>Has it ever been confirmed that the Arkenstone is a Silmaril?
Silmarils cannot be cut. The arkenstone was cut.

>> No.29756266

>>29756225
http://www.evanpalmercomics.com/ainulindale/

>> No.29756270

>>29756173
Fucking fantasy Satan.

>> No.29756291

>>29756233
Source on this?

>> No.29756365

>>29756291
Somewhere in the hobbit they say the Arkenstone was cut from a bigger stone and polished to make it as beautifull.

>> No.29756468

>>29756365
Okay, right on, thanks anon

>> No.29756854

>>29756365
Of course, everything Tolkein wrote went through many revisions, sometimes even long after they were published.

And the Hobbit was written before the Silmarillion.

>> No.29756896

>>29755569
>>29747975
>ending turns out that the wraith was a lesser maiar in service to Sauron
>nothing the MC did was significant in the long term (or if it was it was subtly and inadvertently so,)
>MC ends up corrupted, possibly mindraped, and leading troops in service of Sauron during WotR

>> No.29757889

>>29748510
They already prevented most of the easterlings from going to war according to tolkien.

>> No.29758507

>>29756854
He worked on material that ended up in Silmarillion for two decades before and four decades after the Hobbit was released. And even though second edition of the Hobbit had numerous changes, like retconning the chapter where Bilbo gets the ring from Gollum, Tolkien never changed the description of the Arkenstone to resemble a Silmaril, or the other way around.

>> No.29758737

>>29758507
>retconned the chapter where bilbo gets teh ring from Gollum
Really? Do tell.

>> No.29758932

>>29751168
>>29751256
>>29751308

To be fair, Sauron and his minions sorta stunk up the joint. Their corrupting presence warped the landscape of Mordor and the things in it in various ways Southern Mordor wasn't quite as desolate as the north, but it wasn't a beach resort either.

And northern Mordor certainly never had flowers or grasslands after the First Age; it was first turned into a volcanic shitpile by Morgoth's early shenanigans. Sauron came to it later and was all "Well, this looks like a hell on Earth. I think I'll kick it here."

>> No.29758955

>>29758737
JRRT had no idea his simple children's story would become so popular and would eventually result in a much more mature sequel (LotR), so he made the second edition of the Hobbit a bit darker so that it could fit better in his mythos.

http://www.ringgame.net/riddles.html

>> No.29759300

>>29758955
Thank you.

>> No.29759823

bump

>> No.29760582

So, we can all agree this looks like a piece of shit, right?

>> No.29760886

>>29760582
If they go full retard with a LotR game, they should atleast go full retard properly and have shit like fighting the Eye of Sauron on top of Barad-Dur. I didn't even make that up, it actually happens in an RPG for the original Xbox or something.

>> No.29761381

>>29756173

I don't get the last panel of that-what black spot in the sky is she talking about and why can't she remember?

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