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[ERROR] No.29639962 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Hey, there's a Baneblade over there. I must say that I have always had a special place in my heart for cute little anachronisms like that. Even so, it's crew should take it out of harm's way. This is a warzone afterall. Anywho back to repelling this Kezdai incursion. It won't sort it self out after all.

>> No.29640028

>>29639962
That's true, fellow Bolo. Back to defending mankind.

>> No.29640626

>>29639962
>>29640028
>tfw your solar system chancellor senate representative is a bolo Mark XXXIII from the Concordiat Wars.
>feels good mang

>> No.29640700

>>29639962

>Inb4 frantic claims by 40kids that a baneblade could TOTALLY take a Bolo guys.
>followed by gradually upping ante, then "Bolos are Mary Sues and gay."

>> No.29640794

>>29639962
no one cares

>> No.29640817

>>29640794
Someone sounds a little butthurt.

>> No.29640892

>>29640817
you need to try harder...this is sad.

>> No.29641178

>>29640700

Your mistake, Bolofag, is deluding yourself into thinking anyone cares enough to compare the two. You just don't matter.

>> No.29641179

>>29640817
Indeed

>> No.29641234

>>29640794
>>29641178
It begins

>> No.29641275

>>29641234
na I am going to go watch a movie. have fun talking to your self! nerd

>> No.29641359

Most of 40k fags will defend 40k the same way religious fags does. Their mentality is identical for some reason.

>> No.29641400

>>29639962
This is almost offensively bad bait.

>> No.29641704

>>29639962
What an amazing target for aerial units to bomb from STRAIGHT ABOVE

>> No.29641934

>>29641359
like the way you religiously bag out 40k players?

>> No.29644316

hells bells, I love both. Too bad there won't be a decent game, tabletop or vidya, based on Bolo's.

>> No.29644549

>>29640700
But Bolos are dreadfully dull and mostly concerned with posing and dying heroically. OGREs are better, even if they were so much better the world died before they got past Mk6.

>tfw Mk XXXIV Bolo only exists because all previous marks were shit at fighting

>> No.29644557

>>29641704
Do you even know how BOLOs work?

>> No.29644665

>>29644557
>THE HONOR OF THE REGIMENT *dies*

>> No.29644775

whuts a bolo.

>> No.29644996

>>29641359
Probably has to do with the fact that they use the word 'Heresy' so much.

>> No.29645031

>>29644775
A really big tank from the Bolo series of Books.

>> No.29645543

>>29640626
At least you know he's not one of those Beltway pansies.

>> No.29645666

>>29644775
Autonomous Supertank. May or may not have a human on board to assist in tactical fuck-you-upping.

Put it somewhere. Everything to the horizon is fucked. Everything in orbit is also fucked.

>> No.29645794

>>29645543

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t0y86-Spig

>> No.29645887

Guys I want to get started in the bolos universe. What book do I read first?

>> No.29647176

>>29639962
I can't see the Baneblade.

>> No.29648635

>>29645887

A Plague Of Demons


It's the original Bolo concept. Bunch of human brains are put into massive tanks (using much the same terminology...hell, they even have one of the original Bolos as a cameo) by aliens to fight their wars.

Includes a Scotsman, a Viking (iirc), and a Confederate cavalryman.

Then read the following, in this order:

Bolo: Annals of the Dinochrome Brigade
Rogue Bolo
The Stars Must Wait
The Compleat Bolo
Bolos Book I : Honor of the Regiment
Bolos Book II : Unconquerable
Bolos Book III : The Triumphant
Bolos Book IV : Last Stand
Bolos Book V : The Old Guard
Bolos Book VI : Cold Steel
Bolo Brigade
Bolo Rising
Bolo Strike
Bolo!
Road to Damascus
Old Soldiers
Best of the Bolos : Their Finest Hour

>> No.29648755

As both a 40kfag and a Bolofag...

A Bolo Mk. XXX or higher will rape the shit out of any army in the 40k universe with the possible exception of Necrons.

And I'm talking armies usually reserved for taking planets.

Their main weapon is the Hellbore. Hellbore ammunition consists of slivers of highly-pressurized frozen deuterium which, when fired, are ignited (by a laser) in a fusion reaction. The resulting bolt is contained and directed using strong magnetic fields in the breech and barrel. The resulting plasma travels at a considerable fraction of light speed and is not affected by planetary gravity. However, since the Hellbore was designed as naval armament for Concordiat warships, modifications had to be made to avoid losing a significant portion of the shot's energy to atmospheric attenuation. To this end, a fraction of a second prior to deuterium detonation, a laser is fired along the path of the bolt to create a momentary vacuum. Later Bolo marks are capable of internally manufacturing Hellbore rounds, using water as a raw material, whereby the deuterium isotope of hydrogen is separated and cooled cryogenically into splinters of frozen hydrogen.

The Hellbore first saw service with the Mark XIV and is generally mounted on a turret to provide maximum targeting capabilities. Some Marks experimented with the use of two lighter Hellbores in place of a single, larger cannon; later, heavier Marks generally mount several smaller "support" Hellbores in addition to the main battery. Hellbore power output is measured in megatons per second; the diameter of the tube is a more common quantifying measure. The Mark XIV mounted a single 25 cm Hellbore; the Mark XXXIII featured three 200 cm and sixteen 30 cm Hellbores. The Mark XXXIV carries a variant of the Hellbore known as the Hellrail, an anti-starship railgun weapon, possessing an output of 90 megatons per shot. Hellrails are designed for planetary defense and cannot normally be depressed to strike ground targets.

>> No.29648795

>>29648755


It's basic anti-infantry weapon, known as Infinite Repeaters have been everything from small-bore Hellbores, railguns, energy weapons (las-cannon strength), and suped-up GAU-8 Avenger Cannon. They typically have dozens of these.

They also have the following : VLS (Vertical Launch Systems) with any number of missiles, heavy mortars, howitzers, and thermonuclear weaponry.

So we're talking about weaponry that can easily take down Titans.

It's armor is actually designed to sustain several hits from the current generation of Hellbore.

All later Marks also had reactive Armour designed to destroy incoming penetrator missiles that could bore through their regular Armour. The only downside of this system is that once the Armour is used it cannot be used again.

Beginning with the Mark XIX, Bolos also began to be protected by external energized battlescreens. These battlescreens could convert a significant percentage of enemy weapon fire into energy which could then be redirected to the Bolo's own systems and weapons. Also, beginning with the Mark XXIII, internal disruptor fields were added to limit damage to vital systems from any attacks which did manage to penetrate the Bolo's outer defenses.

Each unit is also equipped with passive and active sensors, as well as stealth and ECW capabilities. Later Marks were often also equipped with FTL comm. Bolos can also be equipped with stealthed reconnaissance drones and similar remote-sensing capabilities; several Marks even have the ability to utilise MILSAT spy satellites. Later Bolos also contain their own maintenance robots to repair battle damage.

>> No.29648817

>>29648755
>>29648795

Beginning with the Mark XX, Bolos were equipped with a psychotronic brain which gave them artificial intelligence. Analogously to human minds, psychotronic brains could turn insane when damaged. This could occur during battle, from enemy fire, or from neglect and lack of physical maintenance. It did not occur frequently but, because Bolos were very powerful, the consequences were terrible. For this reason, early psychotronic brains (models XX through XXIII), restricted awareness and initiative at all times except during battle. This was accomplished by separating main processing from personality. The two were integrated, and the Bolo came into possession of its full faculties, only when battle preconditions were met, such as the approach of an enemy or the order of a human officer. In later models, added redundancy reduced the likelihood of insanity and the restriction was relaxed to enhance intelligence. As a final safeguard, Bolos were equipped with a Total Systems Override Program (nicknamed "Omega Worm") which would erase the Bolo's software, rendering it brain-dead. This was triggered if a Bolo refused an authorized order, or it could be executed by a human operator.

The cognitive inhibitions were completely removed after a review of the combat performance, at the Battle of Santa Cruz (c. A.D. 3030), of experimental unit 23/B-0075-NKE (Nike). Nike's performance demonstrated the capabilities and reliability of fully autonomous psychotronics. Nike herself died by Omega Worm as a result of refusing to obey an officer who was a traitor. This led to a revision of the parameters that would lead to the execution of the Omega Worm in later model Bolos.

>> No.29648828

>>29641359


>"Most of 40k fags will defend 40k the same way religious fags does. Their mentality is identical for some reason."
>Nobody in the thread defending 40K
>Everyone is reasonably ignoring the troll
>Alone you stand, as the singular smear on this discussion

Mr Rogers would be disappointed in you.

>> No.29648836

>>29648755
>>29648795
>>29648817

Beginning with the Mark XXV models, Bolos became completely autonomous, capable of full self-direction in all situations. However, it was found that the intuitive capabilities of human commanders working in conjunction with intelligent Bolos increased the effectiveness of the units and so, with some exceptions, human commanders continued to be assigned to, fight with and if necessary, die with their Bolos. This partnership was further enhanced with the introduction of the Mark XXXII which pioneered a neural interface which allowed the Bolo and its human commander to mentally merge human intuition and Bolo processing speed.

Early Bolo models were not self-aware artificial intelligences and up through the Mark IX were only systems which automated the functioning of the vehicle under direct human command. Beginning with the Mark X, Bolos began to use limited AI systems using pre-packaged battle plans which allowed them to function relatively independently provided the situation on the battlefield fell within the parameters of its pre-loaded plan. If not, then the human commander needed to directly intervene either selecting a new battle plan or taking over the functions of the Bolo personally. This system was further advanced beginning with the Mark XV-R which was given a basic AI core capable of choosing between various pre-loaded plans based upon actual battlefield conditions. However, what these earlier Bolos were not capable of doing was developing their own independent battle plans.

>> No.29648871

>>29648795
What stops me from blowing up a mine under it and flipping it over?

>> No.29648872

>>29648755
>>29648795
>>29648817
>>29648836

Most later mark Bolos have several processing centers, the main core, the personality center, the damage control core (in later models) and the units survival center. Some Bolos were given a secondary main core however this was not typical. Of these the survival center was the most heavily protected being at the center of the Bolo's mass directly under the human commander's command deck. In the event of the destruction of the Bolo the survival center was designed to protect the Bolo's core personality and programming for later retrieval and reactivation.

Each Bolo contains several computer "cores" with different functions, each of which contains multiple fully functional duplicates in case of failure. If a Bolo's logic becomes dysfunctional enough, it regresses to the original Resartus protocol, which was embedded in all self-aware models just for such a case.

In addition to all this, Bolos were able to not only take on invading armies, but later models could take on invading fleets as well.

So the only option for most armies in 40k...would be destruction of the planet.

Tyranids are just fucked though.

>> No.29648889

>>29648795
>Teleports a Librarian Terminator on board
>Psychically crushes the control center

Frightening.

>> No.29648907

>>29648872
Still sounds less broken than a Riptide tbh.

Also, it sounds like it can't take a Vortex grenade or a D-Weapon very well.

>> No.29648922

>>29648872
Tyranids would just acid bomb the shit out of it from space.

>> No.29648924

>>29648871

You finding a mine big enough to do that.

And then hiding it well enough that the massively advanced sensors don't detect it.

After all, a Mk. XXXIII Bolo is 32,000 tonnes.

>> No.29648940

>>29648924
So a Bolo can be stopped in it's tracks by a moat filled with Primitive anti-tank weapons?

>> No.29648943

>>29648889

Seeing as how the internal command center is barely big enough to house a single human...

And Imperial teleportation is notoriously unprecise....

Not likely

>> No.29648960

>>29648943
Actually, imperial teleportation is pretty precise, it's more the fact that Daemons and shit love disjointing people.

Either way, if the terminator plopped inside the bolos command center, that command center is now broken as fuck due to flesh now melding with it.

>> No.29648967

>>29648907

Battlescreens are more like energy-absorbing Void Shields.

So take that as you will.

>>29648940

Wouldn't even scratch the paint.

>>29648922

Gotta get into orbit to do that....and orbit means it can shoot back

>> No.29648996

>>29648967
Good luck shooting back against the, you know, thousands upon thousands upon thousands of completely expendable ships turning the area around the big clunky tank into a giant lake of corrosive acid.

>> No.29649047

>>29648967
>Battlescreens are more like energy absorbing void shields.

So they're not like void shields at all, and still don't mitigate a Vortex or D-weapon at all?

>Wouldn't sctratch the paint

maybe not, but the tracks on that bolos is hilariously ineffective, it'll get stuck in a ditch not even half as tall as it.

I understand you have some kind of inane hatred. But I'll just say this.

The bolos is able to fire into orbit yes? With what? You say it can engage 40k ships, but it really can't harm them at all.

Meanwhile, one Melta torpedo strike would render it useless, if it doesn't destroy it, the bolos will be trapped in a small pool of molten rock.

>> No.29649071

>>29648872

Hey bro, nice tank, let me play a little tune on my harp.

>> No.29649126

>>29648996

Sounds like someone has never read any of the Bolo books.

Or you'd know that those thousands and thousands of expendable ships won't matter due to the AI quickly figuring out that it's the big ones that you need to kill...and being able to target said big ones.

And Bolos have acutally dealt with hive-minded species that use bio-weapons. Did it before Tyranids were even created too (back int he 70's)

>>29648960

It's precise when there's a homing beacon or they have good knowledge of the layout of where they're teleporting too.

That said, if they did manage to get an accurate read of the Bolo's interior, they'd realize that they wouldn't be able to fit a marine in there.

Better option would be use a servitor armed, preferably armed with a Vortex grenade.

>> No.29649159

>>29649126
What are the bolo's anti-ship weapons, and how are they even supposed to damage the Tyranid Bioships? Or indeed any 40k ship, as they're quite robust.

>> No.29649189

>>29649126
Good luck shooting the Hive Ships that are on the edge of the system behind a literal mass of spore clouds while you're drowning in a lake of acid.

I'm pretty sure corrosive fluid doesn't give a shit about energy shielding.

>> No.29649207

>>29649126
>>29649189
More like good luck shooting the Hive Ships that are on the other side of the systems sun.

Tyranids aren't stupid, you kill one and the Hive Fleet learns and adapts.

>> No.29649221

>>29649126
Still sounds like a Riptide can take one down tbh.

>> No.29649249

>>29649047

Do yourself a favor and actually read up on a Bolo.

Because it's damn obvious you're talking out of your ass and not even bothering to read anything posted.

A Hellrail's shot is the equivelent of your standard macro-battery with the penetration capability of a Sunsear laser battery. And that's going by Battlefleet Gothic stats

So put down your fucking hardon for 40k, wash the cheetos dust from your hands, and do some research. Ok?

Oh, and there is no "inane hatred"....you're just too fucking autistic to perceive anything that might challenge 40k's supremacy as anything but hatred for your beloved 40k.

>> No.29649254

>>29639962
Draigo uses his plot armour to solo it.

>> No.29649262

>>29649159

Look towards the first summary post of the Bolo. It's stated there.

>> No.29649276

>>29649249
LOL.

Kinda hard to challenge 40ks supremacy in the first place when it is a setting with literal fucking magic.

Nice shiny technology you got there, would be a shame if a bunch of daemons just fucking possessed the pilot and took it for a joyride.

>> No.29649278

>>29649254

Plot armor aside then....

Because then Cain would solo both Draigo and the Bolo.

And then after he solos them and is running away...he happens upon Ghazghkull...solos him, and gets called the Hero of the Imperium once again.

>> No.29649293

>>29649276

Fully autonomous AI.

Pilot is not needed :P

>> No.29649304

>>29649249
Right..

Why is it an Equivelent to a Macro-battery?

Why does it have the penetration of a sunsear laster battery?

How does it absorb the recoil of such a thing?
How does it not wedge itself into the ground?

>> No.29649313

>>29649293
AI is even easier to possess. That's kind of why the Imperium has declared it Abominable Intelligence for 20k years.

>> No.29649323

>>29649293
AI is quite vulnerable too daemon fun stuff

>> No.29649331

>>29649304
Not him, actually 40k dude here but, directed energy weapons don't have recoil dude, cmon.

>> No.29649346

>>29649313
Lies.

The Necron are races that extensively use AI. I don't see their AI being corrupted by Chaos.

>That's kind of why the Imperium has declared it Abominable Intelligence for 20k years.

They banned them because they repelled. It's unknown if Chaos was involved or not.

>> No.29649374

>>29649331
Is a hellrail a directed energy weapon?

>Their main weapon is the Hellbore. Hellbore ammunition consists of slivers of highly-pressurized frozen deuterium which, when fired, are ignited (by a laser) in a fusion reaction. The resulting bolt is contained and directed using strong magnetic fields in the breech and barrel. The resulting plasma travels at a considerable fraction of light speed and is not affected by planetary gravity. However, since the Hellbore was designed as naval armament for Concordiat warships, modifications had to be made to avoid losing a significant portion of the shot's energy to atmospheric attenuation. To this end, a fraction of a second prior to deuterium detonation, a laser is fired along the path of the bolt to create a momentary vacuum. Later Bolo marks are capable of internally manufacturing Hellbore rounds, using water as a raw material, whereby the deuterium isotope of hydrogen is separated and cooled cryogenically into splinters of frozen hydrogen.

Sounds like a plasma gun railgun.


>>29649346
Not lie, Necrons are not AI.

>> No.29649389

>>29649374
Logically, the Hellbore gun doesn't even make sense, how does a laser create a vacuum?

>> No.29649406

>>29649374
>Not lie, Necrons are not AI.

Tomb world complex computers and the Cenoptek constructs. I said used.

Also Necrons are programmed with the memories and personalities of the dead Necrontyr. They could be counted as AI.

>> No.29649409

>>29649374
Railguns don't have recoil in the traditional sense either, although they do have magnetic forces acting on the rails that tend to destroy them after a few shots.

>> No.29649412

>>29649374
I think he means tomb spyders and scarabs.

>> No.29649419

>>29649304

Not the guy your'e responding too..

But iirc, bombardment cannon macrobatteries have something around a calculated damage around 80 megatonnes on impact.

Sunsears don't have the penetration of a lance battery, but more than macrobatteries. The Hellbore system, based on the books, can punch through an entire mountain, the reinforced bunker beneath it, and then the alien equivalent of a Bolo inside it.

That's what he's probably basing it off of.

So yes, a Bolo could put a lot of hurt on any 40k ship.

It's weakness, however, is that it's one Bolo versus dozens of ships.

So he's wrong.

But you're also an idiot for thinking it couldn't take down any 40k ship.

>> No.29649427

>>29649313
Every time AI has been possessed, its been because of cultists and sorcerers doing obscene rituals upon it.

This is one of the least examined bits of fanon.

Also, necrons use plenty of AI, like scarabs, tomb spyders, etc.

>> No.29649432

>>29649412
And the bloody Tomb complex computers which are powerful AIs.

>> No.29649445

>>29649419
Considering the ranges that 40k ships operate at, that thing is probably fucked.

>> No.29649457

>>29649406
>>29649412

Oh, Cenoptek constructs yes.

But Necrons themselves are a little different and not an AI technically, more like soul-imprinted machines.

>>29649419
So he bases his things on great sources like.... hitting a mountain and a bunker and another tank?

I don't buy it.

>> No.29649474

>>29649389
it vaporizes particles in the air. It's not pure vacuum of course, but it it one of the theoretized ways to make plasma and laser weapons work IRL- use a low-powered laser beam to "clear" a path for the main beam/projectile free of the usual atmospheric contaminants.

>> No.29649486

>>29649374

Necrons have multiple AI units.

Spyders, Scarabs, and Wraiths.

Then you have the systems governing the Tomb World itself before it wakes up.


And then you have the Tau with their AIs.


Also, the machine spirit is essentially a dumbed-down AI.


The whole "Warp corrupts all AIs due to Men of Iron" is GW forgetting it's own backstory.

>> No.29649494

>>29649474
I don't think you quite grasp the concept of "vaporizing" something....

>> No.29649499

>>29649474
Such range on the laser for it to even work is impractical.

hence why laser weapons IRLdon't work that far even with the clearing beam.

>> No.29649505

>>29649374
It sounds like the the smaller hellbores expend their ammo for a pure plasma DEW. The heavier ones charge the matter and launch it as a nuke (or solid plasma, wtf?).

>> No.29649507

>>29649474
But aren't those using lasers to ionize the air to send an electrical charge down it to make a lightning gun?

>> No.29649515

>>29649457
Necrons are:
>soulless
>totally mechanical, no organic parts
>totally technological, no magic parts
>mechanical
>soulless

This is literally an artificial intelligence, specifically its the concept of an upload. They are AIs that think they used to be necrontyr.

They are modelled off specific people, but they are wholly artificial intelligences.

>> No.29649541

>>29649445

Actually, it's in multiple sources that 40k ships enter minimum High Orbit for anti-planetary operations.

Still. While a Bolo may be able to take down one ship (or multiple depending on how accurate and how good the AI is in figuring out how to either detonate reactors or otherwise disable ships)....it'll still get overwhelmed by numbers.


And the only ships where trying to disable them won't work is Orks.

Because....Ork stuff.

>> No.29649543

>>29649474
The problem with plasma isn't "atmospheric contaminants", it's dispersion. It just doesn't stick together, it's a superheated gas that will expand the second it leaves magnetic containment.

The problem with lasers is thermal bloom - different temperatures in the medium it is fired through will bend and weaken the beam. You can't solve that by heating the air with another fucking laser first, that just makes it worse.

>> No.29649557

>>29649515
Technically Soulless-ness in Warhammer 40k is more like having an Anti-soul.

Also technically, they're not AI, they're transhuman ( Transnecron? )

>> No.29649573

>>29649304
My lad, ye're talkin out yer arse. If you re seriously not into scifi enough to know that directed energy weapons dinnae have recoil, ye've no place on this board.

Good feckin God, read a book once in a feckin while, damn your heathen eyes.

By the way, /tg/, I'd almost given up you.

>browsing
>sees Bolo topic

I'm proud of ye, lads.

>> No.29649580

>>29649541
Is there a reason the Imperium gets into orbit for anti-planetary ops? I thought it had something to do with accuracy.

>> No.29649599

>>29649573
Did a Dwarf just talk to me about directed energy weapons?

Either way, it's not a directy energy weapon, it's a railgun that fires superheated plasma along an electromagnetic wave.

So it will have "recoil" Just the magnetic forces on the gun.

>> No.29649616

>>29649580
Blockading.

Easier ship to surface transference.

Some people like ramming their ships into other ships.

>> No.29649619

>>29649599
>THE SQUATS ARE STILL ALIVE

>> No.29649627

>>29649389
>>29649474
Laser is fired before the shot. The laser heats up the air and creates a vacuum for the plasma to travel through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

>> No.29649635

If the Bolos created a scoiety of bolos, if they would find out about the existence of wh40k, they would curbstomb it, along with the anally self-fisting fanbois.

>> No.29649645

>>29649635
I find the irony of calling one fanbase Anally fel-fisting while circlejerking a tank in another fanbase pretty funny.

>> No.29649648

>>29649557
Transhumanism is any and all forms of enhancement to a human. "Transhuman" is not a synonym for people who've had their personality used as a template for an AI, and an 'uploaded' person is in every way just another AI. In most upload scenarios, the original is murdered or commits suicide after the process to make it less awkward, but its still just an AI cast in the mold of the person's mind.

>Technically Soulless-ness in Warhammer 40k is more like having an Anti-soul.

Its used in many ways. But, necrons aren't pariahs and they aren't culexus assassins. They and their pocket realms are fully capable of being seen and obliterated by daemons. Tyranids are also described as soulless, but they are not divorced from the warp. They also most assuredly do not keep their original souls.

>> No.29649675

>>29649648
>Transhumanism is any and all forms of enhancement to a human. "Transhuman" is not a synonym for people who've had their personality used as a template for an AI, and an 'uploaded' person is in every way just another AI. In most upload scenarios, the original is murdered or commits suicide after the process to make it less awkward, but its still just an AI cast in the mold of the person's mind.

Incorrect.

True Transhumanism is the ability to transfer ones personality, thoughts and brain patterns, not just replicate them into a machine format.

Transhumanism is dragging one file into another folder, not copy pasting.

Necrons did that.

>> No.29649679

>>29645031
whats a bolo

>> No.29649681

>>29649648
>But, necrons aren't pariahs and they aren't culexus assassins

However, they radiate an aura of wrongness felt by psykers find unsettling. Even the soulless Tyranids are not immune from it and athe Eldar are horrified by it,

The Eldar name for the Necrons is the Souldark.

>> No.29649683

>>29649635
I'm dying to know how the Bolos would "curbstomp" the 40k universe.

>> No.29649693

>>29649681
And they find it unsettling*

>> No.29649694

>>29649681
>Souldark

Necrons confirmed for most grimdark race.

>> No.29649701

>>29649580

Accuracy, logistical lines with ground forces, communications with ground forces, blockade, disincentive to ramming (if you miss, you're crashing into the planet), disincentive for defender's space forces to fire on you (if they miss, they hit their own planet, if they kill you, wreckage hits their own planet).

>> No.29649718

>>29649701
And usually, they blockade the planet AFTER Anti-ship weapons have been dealt with, so there is really no reason NOT to hug the planet.

>> No.29649727

>>29649675

>True Transhumanism is the ability to transfer ones personality,

Nope!

Again, transhumanism means improving on the human condition. It has never meant, nor will it ever mean, uploading in particular.

>thoughts and brain patterns, not just replicate them into a machine format.

There is literally nothing to transfer. The newly born AI may have the sensation of a transfer of consciousness, but that doesn't necessitate the original being destroyed.

Perhaps you're thinking of how Eclipse Phase uses "transhumans" as synonyms for uploaded people, since nearly everyone in Eclipse Phase is an upload.

>Transhumanism is dragging one file into another folder, not copy pasting.

The correct analogy would be copy pasting onto a thumb drive, and then deleting the original, then deleting it from the recycling bin.

>> No.29649748

>>29649727
Perhaps I am getting my terminology wrong.

But Necrons are not fully AI, they're machines with the conciousness of Necrons slapped inbetween AI bits.

As in not just copy pasted, but actually slapped inside the machines via star god space magic.

>> No.29649766

>>29639962
WOT IF US BOYZ WENT N' LOOTED DAT FING DEN?!

>> No.29649768

>>29649683
Well...they have a general idea of tactics. The "tactics" presented in 40k background make Rainbow 6 fans weep.

>> No.29649778

>>29649694
The other one is Yngiract.

Not sure what it means.

>> No.29649780

>>29649718

Depends on the faction.

Eldar? Yeah, they wait until the AS Weaponry is taken care of.

Imperium? They don't really care.

Orks? WAAAGH!

Tyranids? Hive ships are out of orbit, let the expendables take the shots.

Necons? Anti ship weapons? LoL.

>> No.29649808

>>29649768
Actually, behind all the pomp and stupidity, the tactics in 40k are pretty damn valid.

Planets that need to be held need to have some way to withstand swarming death bugs, Hordes of super tough mini hulks, Daemons who stab people and so forth.

So you create a wall of your most easily readied resource. people.

You use the Guard as the meatshields while marines orbital drop into the enemy, kill their leaders then fight their way out.

It's pretty much how I imagine planetary fighting would go.

>> No.29649814

>>29649748

Their intelligences are artificial. As in, their brains are literal pieces of artifice. It is a machine that does the thinking.

The AIs in many, many settings (Halo, Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne, Portal, etc.) are "direct" uploads, just like the necrons.

>> No.29649815

That's a nice metal box you have there.

It would be a shame if anything happened to it...

>> No.29649836

>>29649815
>>29649815
>>29649815

OI SHINY GIT STEP OFF DAT UN'Z MOINE.

>> No.29649857

>>29649768
Unless you're talking about any faction that's not the Orks or Imperial Guard.

A lot of Space Marine Chapters know what they're doing. Tyranids are constantly learning and the leaders are hyper-intelligent. Eldar are Eldar. Daemons don't really NEED to care about tactics. Necrons and Tau could go toe-to-toe with the Bolos in raw technological prowess, and Tau are HELLA tacticool.

>> No.29649987

>>29649814
Normal AIs don't feel the loss of their souls nor do they make others feel that their soul is lost.

The breakdown of the minds has been implied and even attributed to the loss of their souls (Outer Reach/Fall of Orpheus).

Also Necrons are viewed as dead things by all who meet them. It's possibly because of the same aura of soullessness they radiate.

This setting has AI, but I haven't read or seen any AI having the same effect the Necrons have on other lifeforms. A Tau Drone would not send an Eldar running.

>> No.29650005

>>29649987
Would be pretty funny if it did though.

>> No.29650081

>>29649987

>Normal AIs don't feel the loss of their souls nor do they make others feel that their soul is lost.

The only time uploaded AIs are mentioned besides necrons (the Proteus protocols, iirc), they are also described as a horrifying abomination against the human race, too. On the other hand, they were destroyed from orbit, not within range of scaring people, so who knows.

>The breakdown of the minds has been implied and even attributed to the loss of their souls

Yeah, its pretty likely that, even in a universe where souls didn't exist, uploads would go mad. The loss of the hormones and sensations and so forth of their prior body alone would be hard to take.

>A Tau Drone would not send an Eldar running.

Does the tau drone have an uploaded, slowly fragmenting mind experiencing severe body dysphoria? People who are missing limbs report that whole eerie phantom limb thing, afterall.

>> No.29650083

>>29649987
You never hear about chaos tau drones either by the way.

>> No.29650525

>>29649766
Then we're al fucked, mate.

>> No.29653633

>>29648755
>>29648795
>>29648817
>>29648836
>>29648872
Not reading all of this, but it's obviously over kill.
What are they used to fight against?
And it looks fairly simple in design from the picture. How does it stop being pummeled from orbit, not to destroy it, but to be hammered 500m in the ground to essentially trap it?

>> No.29654972

>>29653633
Aliens.

Also not overkill given how often they get destroyed.

>> No.29655047

>>29639962
This bait is so bad and obvious that it is offensive.

And it speaks volumes about the quality of the board that, not only does this thread exist, but that there are people who bit.

>> No.29655316

>>29648755
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t0y86-Spig
>>29648795
Hm. Reading this, I have to wonder how low-mark Bolos compare to OGREs, if only because Bolos use LOS weapons while OGREs spam indirect-fire nukes for anti-personnel weaponry and the nukes only get larger, longer-ranged and more indirect from there.

High-mark Bolos would obviously trash OGREs, but then there's no shame in losing to something that'd scratch a sleeping GCU's paint.

>> No.29655437

>>29649580
Ranges for (reasonably) accurately hitting something on the ground are a lot shorter than hitting a spaceship against a background of empty space. Even assuming you're throwing a lot of dakka at the target and so don't need precise aim, just a mile or so's accuracy, planets are a cluttered mess and spotting the target isn't easy.

Remember this when people talk about 40K ship combat ranges!

>> No.29655462

>>29649766
Dinochrome Brigade? More like da metal squiggoth boyz.

>> No.29658635

>>29653633
They tend to fight stuff that is either slightly less dangerous or of equal danger as they are.
The Melconians for example operated Bolo Equivalent weapon systems, with the difference that their Artificial Intelligence wasn't quite up to par, but had the bonus of having a slight numerical advantage of their foe with nearly equal technology. (And surprisingly bigger tanks. The only detraction was the lack of good A.I. so they had to have a 2 or 3 numerical advantage to kill a bolo. They operated on having 1 'Heavy' Surtr Tanks and 2 lighter Fenrir's in a formation known as a 'Fist'
They were also partial to tactical nuclear weapon spam.

Other forces used everything from warships to threaten Bolo's to less capable Bolo Equivalents along with more 'traditional' forces.
The Deng for example would use everything from heavy infantry, 'Light Yavac's' which was a type of spider tank. To heavy Yavac's which were roughly bolo-sized tanks. Not nearly as good of tech, but in overwhelming numbers.

>> No.29659821

>>29653633

I'm pretty sure that most Bolos are actually capable of performing combat engineering as well, so it's entirely possible it might just be able to climb out of a hole. As for defending itself from orbit, later marks of the Bolo are capable of engaging spacecraft or acting as such themselves.

There was one short story where several Bolos were left in orbit to serve as defense satellites and later deorbited themselves to defend the colony when it came under attack. I don't know if that model was able to lift itself again afterwards, but there you go.

>> No.29659891

>>29648635
Rogue Bolo was pretty awful.

>> No.29659965

Bolo's are Titan level combatants. As in, Imperator Titan level.

They are also logical. Since they are essentially starships on treads. Thats the thing.

There is no discrepancy between ground and space warfare weapon strength. None.

The Concordiat of Man is in many ways the prototype for the Imperium. Except they give even fewer fucks about collateral damage.

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