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Weapons and armor thread

>> No.29559080
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that really should be titled "kill me, it hurts to live".

have something more useful as a weapon.

>> No.29559109
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a langes messer...

>> No.29559143
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here's a type of anime armour I can approve of...

>> No.29559157
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always too many swords or bladed weapons...

>> No.29559179
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but some are too beautiful not to include.

and I should stop putting ellipses at the end of each comment...

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anyhow, anyone want a particular subject, or shall I assume that from the lack of any other responses, that the thread is as dead than A-line flares with pockets in the knees, and no-one on /tg/ wants what OP started and I hijacked?

>> No.29559224


>that armor

Hello there, sexy.

>> No.29559239

I prefer pole-arms/pole-axes, personally. Versatile, reach, powerful... What's not to love?

my secret crush is on the harpoon. I fucking love harpoons.

>> No.29559250
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Oddly enough, when the smith created Aragorn's first sword before he used Narsil, he accidentally created a perfectly balanced and weighted blade.

Vigo loved it so much he carried it with him at all times during the filming; walking around towns, in restaurants, in bed (literally), everywhere.

>> No.29559258
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The minute you see a knight with that armor, you know he's getting a lot of pussy .

This is my weapon of choice, no questions asked, the ultimate sword of them all.

>> No.29559275

How does one accidentally make a good sword?? Was he purposefully trying to make a dogshit sword?

>> No.29559280
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Enjoy not being able to penetrate chainmail, cockweasel.

>> No.29559283
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Does this count?

>> No.29559290

He made a good sword, but he did so only by luck and didn't understand how he did it.

>> No.29559309
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>preferring the gladius over more modern chopping devices
I can't really care.

>> No.29559313
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yeah, but that's 'cos Peter had actually done a little bit of HEMA type stuff, as well as some study into medieval arms and armour. the strider's longsword is is really just about a stock, standard mid-15th C longsword in terms fo blade and hilt mass, the only fantasy things on it are the pommel shape is a little more rounded than on a medieval one, which would be broader, but narrower, and the cross has a few slight fillets that arent in the style they liked.

otherwise, it is a 15th C longsword. they're not really rocket science to get them right.


you may need to fetch the kleenex for this pic then....

>> No.29559316

Not him, but there are lot of different qualities in sword. As a film maker, you want it to look good on the tv set more than anything. In that process, he decided that what looked good was in-fact a well balanced sword. Bilbos Stinger was perfectly balanced as well, by accident.

>> No.29559325


All of the weapons were designed with aesthetics in mind, not their practicability since they weren't actually cleaving orcs and goblins. They didn't need to be perfect since it was all stuntwork.

Like Glamdring, Gandalf's sword, while badass, it was poorly weighted.

>> No.29559361
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My personal war maul. Bought it from an antique dealer who thought it was an oversized tenderizer. Wrought iron, with a well-worn leather hammer.

It was probably a blacksmith's side project, but damn, the thing is sturdier than it looks.

>> No.29559397
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that is insulting to him. Peter Lyons was'nt the greatest swordsmith out there, although his stuff was good quality - he infact was pretty much the outstanding no.1 craftsman in new zealand for swordsmiths, not that the competition was very tough - I've heard horror stories of the NZ reenactors in the 90's and even to this day using mild steel bars that bend and dent.

So he did know plenty about the proportions and the balance of a sword, even if he was'nt lucky enough to have the access to the historical reality on an almost daily basis (well, daily, with advance notice) those of us in europe do.

So its hardly surprising that he got it right. particularly when most fantasy swords are things like "He-Man" or "conan" that are all about looks, not design.

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This is what you get when you go full choppy.

>> No.29559423
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good god, it's beautiful

this one's for you, mate

>> No.29559432

Might want to redo your post m8

>> No.29559439

Thank god for the image swap bug.

>> No.29559445


Wow, 4chan goofed you, because that is certainly NOT a Russian 1847 cavalry officer.

>> No.29559450

Nice hows the weight of it.

>> No.29559459

someone is very confused on one of the nsfw boards

>> No.29559473

That's some bitchin ass armor. Got an info on it? I hate the plain steel look most armor has in movies and media.

>> No.29559476

Absolut, tummen upp.

>> No.29559482
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ah, the 4chan misloaded image strikes again. Somewhere in a porn thread, someone's left wondering why their blowjob has been replaced with a cavalry sabre....

>> No.29559490
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The radically curved sword you have been waiting for.

>> No.29559508
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I like these long-handled blades/short spear sort of things. Still don't know what to call them, but I like them.

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give me 10 mins to find the auction catalogue and copy out the data on it. meanwhile, have a pic of the back detail

>> No.29559543
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I like this yari. It's simple, yet elegant.

>> No.29559557


It's only 5lbs, but it sits in your hands nicely. It gains some nice force when it's swung, and it's not unwieldy at all, since the head is on the smaller side. The flower in the middle is great for holding, but you need gloves so you don't fuck up your fingers.

When the antique dealer showed it to me, he was holding it two-handed on the handle. I corrected him before he bashed one of his own glass cases.

>> No.29559574
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I find it somewhat amusing how the wireframe highlights where the blade and tang will separate.

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HEY! You got some warhammer in my zweihänder!
NO! You got some zweihänder in my warhammer!

It's the warhänder!

>> No.29559581
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I'm surprised I don't see more Chinese swords. These are just curved ones, as well, but look at that variety.

>> No.29559600

Aw man, why'd somebody put two blunt faces on that, that's just wasting space.

I don't know if there's a particular name for that type, but historically Falxes and Rhompias fell into that same niche.

>> No.29559612
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These are air-rifles for hunting.
Made in the 18th century.

>> No.29559642
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I've always had a weakness for the Jian. It's just so frigging elegant looking.

>> No.29559671
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Well, technically the Gladius is more of a stabbing device. If you want a nice brutal chopper, look no further than the Falcata.

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>> No.29559708
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An Estoc. Bascially a longsword with triangular 'blade' (no real cutting edges) meant to pierce armor with thrusting attacks.
15th century.

>> No.29559715

I really like the look of this. Maybe not all that practical; though, my knowledge is pretty limited.

>> No.29559739
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Weapons, you say?

>> No.29559748
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I dont suppose you can speak french, can you? I've got the data on that armour in french that I can cut and paste, but not the english version...

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I'd imagine it would probably similar to half-swording a longsword. So you'd still have a fair bit of leverage for strikes, good opportunities for binding and excellent thrusting accuracy.

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why don't we have ever threads about boxes?

>> No.29559809

I had French for three years in high school that's about it. Just post it and we'll see.

>> No.29559834
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Look at all these crazy Kung Fu weapons

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I don't even know how you HOLD some of these.

>> No.29559851

found the english version:

An exceptional North Italian etched blued and gilt full armour for the field, signed POMPE and attributed to the workshop of Pompeo della Cesa, circa 1585-1595. The entire armour etched with a series of bands filled with complex designs of trophies-of-war involving fantastic beasts, alternating with bands of interlaced strapwork terminating in foliage and punctuated by ovals framing Classical warriors, figures from Roman mythology, warriors in 16th century dress, and small grotesques, and the entire scheme arranged on a framework of blued vacant bands, the armour comprising close helmet with one-piece skull rising to a cable comb, pierced with circular arrangements of ventilation holes behind the ears, the visor and the upper-and lower-bevors pivoting at common points, the visor with slotted sights and later lifting-peg, the upper-bevor pierced with a circular arrangement of small breathes on the right and closed by a hook- and eye-catch, the lowerbevor fitted with later pivoting arm supporting the upper-bevor, fitted with neck-guard of three lames front and rear, the subsidiary edges with incised roping, and the outer edges turned and roped, gorget of one plate front and rear pivoting on a rivet (the upper three lames missing front and rear), breast-plate formed with medial ridge drawn down to a blunt point, out turned at the base, roped over a turned raised flange below the neck, fitted with a pair of moveable arm-gussets, the etched designs centering below the neck on a large oval supported by a pair of angels, filled with the allegorical figure of Victory (or Fame) and the frame of the oval signed POMPE, fitted with folding lance-rest etched en suite and skirt lame carrying a later pair of short tassets each of six lames, back-plate, the etched designs centering on an oval filled with a Roman goddess, possibly Juno, a pair of symmetrical arm defences, including large pauldrons.


>> No.29559890


the left pauldron pierced for fitting an exchange piece, the lower lame of each attached to the turner by a strap and turning-pin, tubular vambraces and bracelet couters, the left couter decorated with a mounted Knight and the right couter decorated with a mounted Turk, a later pair of gauntlets, a pair of cuisses each of five lames and fitted with poleyns each of six articulations, the lower lames of the cuisses and the principal lames of the poleyns each decorated with differing classical warrior ovals and the poleyns formed with small kidney-shaped wings, a pair of greaves each with a single articulation at the ankle and hinged inner-plate covering the outer portion of the calf, decorated with differing warrior ovals, and fitted with later mail sabatons and toe-caps en suite with the armour: on a purpose-built fabric-covered mannequin with sculpted mask.

H.: 176 cm
Wt. without greaves and sabatons: 17.660 kg.
Reserve estimate: 250 000 / 300 000Eu

Provenance: Bachereau, Paris, 1905. The Lord Astor of Hever. Sotheby's,
The Hever Castle Collection, vol. I, Arms and Armour, 5th May 1983, lot 48, sold £50,600. Barry H. Trupin, Long Island, New York. The Trupin Family Trust.

Exhibited: Italian Armor for Princely Courts, The Art Institute of Chicago, 1986, Leonid TARASSUK curator, catalogue pp. 20-21.

During the last quarter of the 16th century Northern Italy developed its taste for profusely decorated armours with the emphasis on densely etched designs from head to toe. The most common technique was etching on a stippled ground that was either blackened or gilded. The decoration was mainly a combination of textile patterns with knotted braids and embroidered arabesques (i motivi a tessuto), palms and branches, and war trophies involving elements of armour. The decorative scheme was usually arranged in bands with medallions of various sizes engraved with an allegorical figure, a mythological hero, or a dynastic emblem.


>> No.29559893


Parade armor almost 50 years after it stopped being useful to wear a full set.


>> No.29559900
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I have a soft spot for claymores.

>> No.29559914


>> No.29559936

How heavy are guandaos anyways?

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While I really don't like what they are doing, I have to say, I love this gif for one simple thing:
that guy manages to kick his opponent in the fucking neck. That just shows how well you can move in such an armor.
As someone who regularly LARPs, I laugh my ass off every few months when I go to an event and see people in bulky as fuck armour that is encumbering them so much, even the task of merely standing up is almost impossible for them.
Pic somewhat related, this is the rare exception where the armor is not looking like shit and is actually allowing the guys to move rather freely.

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>> No.29559955


Continued still more....

The most famous workshop of its time was directed by Pompeo della Cesa, armourer to the Spanish court in Milan. Located in the Sforzesco castle, the workshop was widely renowned and was providing for prestigious patrons such as Philip II, King of Spain and Duke of Milan, Emanuel-Philibert, Duke of Savoy, Alexander Farnese, Duke of Parma and Piacenza, Vincent Gonzaga, Duke of Mantova, and Francis I de Medici, Grand-duke of Tuscany.

Manuscript evidence records Pompeo as working in 1571 (a letter to Emmanuel-Philibert of Savoy). The last recorded work is the armour intended for the Russian Tzar Dimitri II (1582-1606), called "The False Dimitri" (r. 1605-06). The cuirass of this armour is preserved in The Art Institute of Chicago (1982.2430 a-b) and the gorget, the arm defences and the tassets are preserved in the Hermitage, St. Petersburg.

Armours were signed POMPEO, or alternatively POMPE or POMP at the top of the breast-plate in the frame of the main medallion or in a cartouche. Other North Italian decorators of armours copied this particular style almost immediately. Bruno Thomas and Ortwin Gamber, in their article "L'arte Milanese dell'armatura", published a descriptive list of 24 works signed by Pompeo, these are preserved for the most part in museums. John Hayward, in the auction catalogue of the collection of Lord Astor of Hever, gave the present armour (then lot 48) as the 25th recorded work by Pompeo della Cesa.
A.V.B. Norman, in his European Arms and Armour Supplement to the Wallace Collection Catalogues, 1986, p. 111, confirms that the Hever armour is a work by Pompeo della Cesa; Leonid Tarassuk, in the catalogue of the Chicago exhibition also makes this confirmation.

continued one last time...

>> No.29559967
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so I heard you like claymores...

>> No.29559969


It makes sense, though. An enemy in full plate is threat, an enemy in full plate lying stunned on the ground is likely about to die. How he gets there doesn't matter.

>> No.29559973

last one:

In the catalogue of the Poldi-Pezzoli collection Lionello G. Boccia and José A. Godoy make the positive comparison between the armour of The Lord Astor of Hever (the present armour) and the close helmet No.32 in the catalogue (n. inv. 2592), which was probably made for Renato Borromeo, circa 1585-1590.
The armour by Pompeo preserved in the Higgins Armory Museum (JWHA 425), Worcester, Massachusetts, includes several restorations and the reconstruction of missing parts (back-plate, rear skirt, sabatons, fingers of the gauntlets, etc.).

In an article published in 1988, the then curator, Walter J. Karcheski notes that the quality of the restorations on this armour compares with the works that one Giuseppe Gaggini made in 1909 on the Pompeo armour preserved in the Poldi- Pezzoli collection, Milan (Inv. No.342).

The most recent work by this armourer to come to the market was a half-armour with cabasset, at Galerie Fisher, auction 405, September 2009, lot 303, sold for CHF 798,000 ( 532,000 or $ 725,455), from the von Schulthess collection (armour n°13 in the Thomas & Gamber list).

TARASSUK, Leonid, Italian Armor for Princely court, 1986, pp. 21-22, No. 13.
Also see, KARCHESKI, Walter J., An Armour by Pompeo della Cesa, in the Higgins Armory Museum,Worcester, in The Journal of the Arms & Armour Society (London), vol. XII, No. 6, September 1988, pp. 394-401.
BOCCIA, Lionello G. & GODOY, José A., Museo Poldi- Pezzoli, Armeria I, 1985, pp. 87-88, ill. 42-44, pp.196-197.

>> No.29559975
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Ceremonial armour made for the funeral of Karl X (1622-1660) and worn by Johan Gyllenstierna.

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I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine they're not terribly heavy as they look.

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And a bit later still, here's a sculpture of Filip-Frans de Glymes, ca 1704. Full plate is still somewhat fashionable it seems.

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>> No.29560026

That's a whole lot of words to say "If you're close enough to trigger it you're gulasch"

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>Parade armor almost 50 years after it stopped being useful to wear a full set.

actually, plate armour remained viable well into the 1620's or 1630's, so that claim is utter nonsense. Pic related, made in the 1630's

>> No.29560047

Well, I suppose at least it'll keep errant shrapnel from cannon fire and the odd musket ricochet away.

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Oh man, that armor looks ridiculously awesome. But the dopey helmet kinda ruins it.

>> No.29560063

>emplaced explosives for automatically firing less-lethal projectiles
That is a terrible idea and the people who came up with it are terrible people.

>> No.29560067

Fashionable yes but basically useless since 1525 right? Except for maybe 3/4 musket proof armor.

>> No.29560100

It's not that bad, really. At that point the armor would still stop pistol shot and potentially even musket fire at long-ish ranges. Since the wearer would most likely be mounted, they could avoid the bulk of the musket fire and would mostly be up against enemy cavalry who'd likely be using pistols.

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Savoyard helms - either designed for aliens, or for vision so you could reload your pistols (by that point, you were riding in witha brace of 2, 4, even 6 pistols, shooting your targets, and then withdrawing to reload, rather than sword or lance.

>> No.29560140

So you'd have two separate battles of infantry fighting infantry and on the sidelines some noble guys on horses duking it out until they get bored or the infantry is routing?

>> No.29560146

Yeah, as the saying goes "Every less-lethal weapon strong enough to be used can be lethal." Combining that with something triggered from a distance out of line of sight and a goddamn explosive charge is just asking for people losing eyes, hands and lives. Hell, the shrapnel of the casing would be enough to kill.

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>> No.29560184
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there are plenty of records of people being protected from musket fire in plate during the English civil War, in the 1640's.

in 1525, plate armour was still absolutely an integral part of war. it was'nt till the 1560's or 1570's that they really began having to thicken up armour, and the 1630's that it really started to become impractical. it continued on for a decade or so after that too.

>> No.29560199

The cavalry is what makes the infantry rout.

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Going by how much armour was used, and for how long, I suspect you can easily slap on another century and some chance to that date. People did happily wear everything but the Sabatons past the 30 years war after all, and I doubt those would be all that big a pain in the Achilles heel for a cavalryman if he did choose to wear them. If I'm to put a fate to the great armour decline then I'd say mid to late 17th century.

When we start getting to the statue though I suspect that it's all just for show, perhaps even just for the statue, with no actual suit around to be worn.

>> No.29560236

That was how battles went a pretty often for as long as cavalry was a thing throughout history. The horsemen would duke it out away from the infantry fighting, or even before it began (as they were often the scouts), and once one side routed the winners would then use that advantage to either worry the infantry's flanks or go bother the enemy supply train.
That latter part seemed to happen quite often, as there was a fair bit of plunder to be had, and I think occasionally even cost the main army the victory on some occasions.

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Any body got Jesails?

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>and then withdrawing to reload
Or, if you're in a Swedish army, it's cutlery time.

In many cases you'd either have the cavalry clashing on one flank, with the winner then hitting the infantry in the side (and that was usually it for that battle), or you'd have the cavalry on opposite sides seeing who could roll up the enemy flank the fastest.

>> No.29560332

As a former soldier.

I miss my FN MAG, it was so nice to work with.

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Then we have the first battle of Breitenfeld, where the Imperial cavalry sent the infantry on the protestant flank running, and as the cavalry then looked towards the centre, the infantry looted its own baggage train on the way out.

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I knew Zionism is a double-edged sword but this is ridiculous

>> No.29560380

Unholy Shortsword +2?

>> No.29560420

who doesn't, anon?

>> No.29560426


Rolled a Nat 20 eh?

>> No.29560441


masonic lodge ceremonial sword.

>> No.29560443
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The same way you make an excellent sword using the best of your man killing science and it turns out to look beautiful.

Only in the other direction.

>> No.29560480

I think that's also why the british commanders valued the King's German Legion Hussars so highly during the napoleonic wars. Most other british cavalry consisted mostly of upjumped nobles playing at war, and every time they routed an enemy they would go after them trying to ride them down and go for the baggage train. The KGL however was able to properly reform after every successful charge and go after another target, and consequently were much more effective on the battlefield.

>> No.29560485

I thought that was a christian thing, so why the sword with jewish images all over it...

>> No.29560508

The English, maybe?

>> No.29560541

Sword of Ma'Noreh

Grants +2 to bluff checks related to trade.

>> No.29560550

The masonic order isn't inherently christian, in fact there's a fair bit of animus from christian churches against them. Far as I know they only require their members to be deistic in some way, everything else doesn't matter.

>> No.29560567

masonic order is'nt christian - you can be jewish, muslim, hindu...

its a weird combination of stuff, rather than one element of one faith, and its packed full of old symbolism - more than I can even start to touch on. there's entire books on that subject. and that's before you even get to the nutters who say the masons were following from the templars, and have the Grail, and all that bullshit.

>> No.29560595

What on earth are the rings in the back of that Jiuhuandao for, anyways

>> No.29560618

Don't you mean Sword of Bris
Inflicts loss of foreskin upon hitting the target

>> No.29560631

>When triggered, everyone out to 270 yards...is attacked


>> No.29560674

Certainly they've gotten over all that by now

>> No.29560679

Usually for intimidation through being loud and simply for looking swank. I don't think there was much practical purpose to them, though I guess the give the spine of the blade a bit of protection in case you need to parry with that.

>> No.29560704

I guess that's how that particular system rolls when handling explosions. Instead of tracking the blast or something they simply roll an individual attack against everybody in the danger zone.

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Andf that in turn reminds me of Karl X's Polish campaign. The charge of the hussars was quite the Juggernaught, but the infantry did take the momentum out of things before they ran, and then the hussars got shot to hell before they could rank up, choose a new target, and get the ball rolling. That the Polish armies didn't really have any second wave to take advantage of the damage done didn't help them either.

It's a Franklin Mint (or similar company) collectible. Maybe some Masonic lodge out there is sufficiently devoid of taste to use it for their rituals, but here's how swords actually used by various Fraternal orders have tended to look: http://arms2armor.com/Swords/masonicswords.htm

A rather modern take: http://www.peterjohnsson.com/ceremonial-sword/

I'm, guessing style, making neat sounds, and challenging people to come up with ways in which they might, perhaps, kinda serve some sort of practical purpose.

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Another thread for me to conquer.

>> No.29560780

But... 810 feet is the danger zone?

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>> No.29560797

>The English, maybe?

actually, the claymore was probably never used against the english.
they first appear in the very late 15th C, 1490's to 1500, but really dont start being commonplace till the 1550's or so - more than 30 years after the last major conflict of scotland vs england, in Flodden in 1513.

they continue in use up till the battle of Killecrankie in the 1680's, but warfare against the english does'nt really flare up till the first jacobite rebellion in 1715. They may have been used against cromwell, but in the third english civil war, with the Covenanteers, but most of them were pike and shot....

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>> No.29560821

>aren't you a little too drunk to be making swords, hassam?

>shut up you little shit, it's coming out fine

>> No.29560827

Is there an actual point two having more than one head on a flail? It just seems like it'd interfere with your swing without doing much to increase the force because it's be spread out over two impacts.. Just sticking with a single head and instead making it heavier would have the same effect but better in every way.

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About how good were these steel helmets on all these fancy armors at preventing concussions? pic related

Depending who on the internet you trust the rings might serve to make cutting through the sword less likely, slowing another sword after a parry, attaching tassels, being loud and distracting, catching the tips of weapons, adding weight, or holding your keys.

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I dunno, all I know is that it looks scary.

>> No.29560895

The maximum firing range of the M18 is indeed listed at 250m/820 feet, though of course at that point it'd have lost much of its energy. Remember it's really more of a giant shotgun than a simple explosion.

>> No.29560912


even a small granade like the M67 can cause injury at a range of 200m. though they have a "kill radius" of about 5m and a "casualty radius" of 15m, that simply means that within 5m, a target is certain to be killed, and certain to be injued within 15m - actual peices of shrapnel get flung out far, far further than that, though obviously, theres much more space between bits flying around, so from 15m out, there's a chance that it'll go flying past you rather than hitting.

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>> No.29560981


Oh sweet Jaysus. I just came.

>> No.29561000

nice filename.....

>> No.29561024

Flanged maces were the shit. Even wielded one-handed, they had a pretty good chance at puncturing a breastplate with every strike, not to mention the severe denting around the impact area. Though I'd almost say that the one pictured there went a bit overboard with the number of flanges, most seemed to stick with between four and six.

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that thing is rather crude and ugly to my eyes.

very few maces after the 14th C were wood-hafted, too...

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With a smooth, more or less rounded surface a heavy blow can end up sliding off, doing little to the head but leaving the wielding arm to deal with the inertia instead.

Then there's the mass of the helmet helping things along (contrary to a motorcycle helmet or so you don't want a helmet for melee to be too light, inertia is good when someone tries to knock your lights out), the padding/suspension should take its fair share of the blow as well, there might be some sort of connection to the gorget and thus the upper chest to help even further.

Perhaps even worse for an attacker is that getting through all that with sufficient force to spare means you're going to have to swing quite large and hard. This makes it easier to parry, counter, avoid, and punish misses, while the clubber has a much harder time exploiting opportunities.

So concussion from hand held clubs is probably still a concern, but a good helmet should help a lot.

And the steel should also do a wonderful job at preventing things like this from happening (ignore the crossbow bolts for now). Concussion is only one of the ways an unprotected head can be fucked over by blunt instruments.

>> No.29561059

Is that a butt-scratcher?

>> No.29561078

Anyone have a really wide, curved sword? Like something a barbarian might use?

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> Even wielded one-handed, they had a pretty good chance at puncturing a breastplate with every strike, not to mention the severe denting around the impact area.

oh dear.

that one's starting to get into the "katana can cut through anything" territory.

most impacts from maces or warhammers slide off armour, because its designed not to have stuff catch on it. it certainly does'nt make armour suddenly become tinfoil.

yes, tehy are effective in causing stunning strikes and in punching holes sometimes. but they're nothing like as good as you imagine.

>> No.29561092

I'd put it like this: If you're 'swinging for a concussion' and your enemy is swinging to fucking kill you, you might be at a disadvantage.

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Like this?

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>> No.29561110

this looks like something Nosferatu Zodd would use.
In other words: I like it.

>> No.29561134


That's an interesting one. I'm mainly looking for one that curves to a point like most swords.

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>they had a pretty good chance at puncturing a breastplate with every strike, not to mention the severe denting around the impact area

Pretty good, severe... Well, all depends on definitions I guess, but I suspect you should be prepared for the armour offering a significant increase in survivability against flanged maces too.

Dunno about the barbarian bit, but for really wide and curved, try a tegha.

>> No.29561142

Such as a falcata?

>> No.29561148

I thought that mace had a second head under the head, so you could mace while you maced

>> No.29561149
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Out of the way faggots, a real weapon is coming through.

>> No.29561176

Breasts are not weapons, anon.


>> No.29561182

Well, admittedly the tests I've seen were against a stationary plate, but they actually did end up having one of the highest measured impulses and maximum impact forces of the weapons they tested, adn the "with every strike" mostly referred to those testing conditions where it went through every time.
Sure, under actual combat conditions it'd be pretty difficult to land a sufficiently powerful blow in the right place, but it certainly gave a greater edge than most other weapons wielded with one hand did.

>> No.29561193


I hadn't considered that type of sword. Namely, I'm trying to find a good kind that looks "evil", with a wide enough blade.

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I wonder where my sword went. /a/? /e/?

Deleting the pic just to be safe, and because I get a duplicate file error on this one otherwise.

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An ayda katti perhaps?

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>> No.29561248


Oooh, that one's pretty close to the kind of sword I'm looking for. I might just go with that.

>> No.29561276

I'm currently learning to use the longsword in the German style. I've found that half-swording and other techniques requiring you to grab the blade are surprisingly easy and effective, even when bare-handed. It's incredibly nice to have that flexibility in a bind.

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>those happy faces

>> No.29561279

I've always wondered why the hammerheads of these flared out like that. I assume it's mostly to ensure that the blow will actually "catch" on enemy armor rather than slide off, but was there any other reason for that too?

>> No.29561326

Does it just look like that, or did this guy get his tooth knocked out and his nose broken as well.

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polearms are best arms

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>> No.29561403

I imagine that in the heat of battle, being smacked in the noggin with a club is not something you'd relish.

How common were maces/clubs/whatever on the battlefield, anyway? I imagine there'd be quite a few around.

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Could be that, could be previous injuries, could be damage done to the skull as the ground shifted around. Here's how it looked when they found it.

>> No.29561430

Yeah, going for the head if you could hit it was always a good idea. Even with a helmet your enemy would be momentarily disoriented or maybe even a bit stunned, and if you get a really good whack in you might dent the helmet which will cause all sorts of trouble for him.

>> No.29561468

Just checked in "Blood Red Roses" and it only describes the war-hammer wound, so I guess the missing teeth and the somewhat smashed nose happend while the skull was in the massgrave.

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Probably depends a lot on which battlefield and when. But for the late medieval-early renaissance period you may not see all that many of them.

>> No.29561506

they were quite common during ww1

>> No.29561508

I didn't want to say getting smacked up by a heavy club on the head is something to sneeze at, I was just remarking on the idea of some guy tapping your head while you cleave his chest apart.

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I think you'd have an easier time finding a place or time that didn't have a bopper of some kind. Getting hit in the head will fuck a guy up, even if they have a helmet.

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I imagine that, like so many other things involving two human beings coming together, it really depends on the circumstance.

After all, if you strike at his chest and it's a glancing blow, why not have at your head? It's not like he couldn't smash your arm or collapse your chest with it.

Good god, that weapon on the top
>I just got out of the pool! Seriously guys, stop laughing!

>> No.29563431

Sure, if you're the type of guy who also uses an arrow as a catheter.

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My sword is dicks.

>> No.29569069

Oh gods it's so pretty.

>> No.29571703


Is this a cutlass or a sabre?

What is the difference between a cutlass and sabre?

>> No.29571783

Still can't believe he deflected a real knife that was thrown at him while he was suffering from a concussion during filming.

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Ranseurs, yari, Partisans, Spetums. So pretty.

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Too bad it's so goddman ugly.

C14 stepping through.

>> No.29572506

Partisans were very nice, although for shear terms of not being expensive as fuck to get Boar Spears were just as good.

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>> No.29573868

absolutely love those hideous kpingas.

>> No.29573889
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>GURPS doesn't have rules for a Claymore
That's weird given that this is a game that has rules for stabbing someone's eyes out with a pen.

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>Look through whole thread
>Not ONE goddamn khopesh

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>> No.29575612

He also broke his foot when they did that scene at the ork funeral pile and kept right going. I'm pretty sure they left that scene in too because his pained scream was so natural.

What I'm saying is that Viggo owns.

>> No.29575635

I like how the sheath has a place for a smaller kopis/kukri. So you can chop while you chop.

>> No.29575645


They did indeed.

He did the scene several times, but the foot breaking scene was obviously the best and Jackson left it.

Viggo even took the time to fall to his knees and continue the scene before getting the medical attention.

>> No.29575649


Zulus used one called the Iklwa.

>> No.29575679

Sigourney's basketball scene in Alien Resurrection is another good example of insane actor's luck. They got that in one take.

We need to get genetic samples from both and clone them.

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Yes, the Katana is far from perfect, but I still think it looks pretty. If only weeaboos hadn't ruined them for everybody else I might actually use them in games.

>> No.29575764


So kawaii...

>> No.29579370

On top of that he got so into the role while sword fighting that the stuntmen were afraid of him; since he accidentally hurt one or two when he didn't pull his punches, so to speak.

>> No.29579607

I think another such thing happened in this scene of A Knight's Tale:

Apparently most of the extras were locals (somewhere in eastern europe, I think) who didn't speak english very well. So none of them really knew their mark on when to start cheering until Mark Addy went first.

>> No.29581329

You'll hear all sorts of garbage legends about how heavy they are tied in to Guan Yu, who didn't even exist at the same time as the Guan Dao. The truth is most likely that he used an abnormally heavy polearm in testing for military rank, because one of the things ancient chinese armies did is give you a rank based on your physical prowess. In combat, it would be beyond foolish to use a too-heavy polearm, and don't let any kung-fu-aboos tell you otherwise. Guan Dao were a later period weapon that probably weighed in at around 10 pounds, which is still *kind of* heavy for a polearm.

>> No.29581708

I too love Chinese kung fu weapons.

Usually between 6 to 8 pounds. As far as polearms go, that's pretty standard. But they do look far heavier than that.

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>> No.29581853

You and I are in the same boat it seems, my friend. I love any slightly to moderately curved blade. only the weeaboos haven't stopped be from using them in game

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My problem's the opposite; my friends are mostly Westaboos.

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I've always been of the opinion that you can like whatever it is that you want to like, as long as you're not a dick about it.

A lot of people still do believe the kind of stuff that is in the infamous katana copypasta, though, and those people are both insufferable and oddly common.

>> No.29582525

I wonder if Japan has an opposite to this among their rpg players. Everybody is just playing an angsty teenager or some loli like normal people, but there's always that long guy who makes stinky old dudes in chainmail and can't shut up about how awesome his teutonic Liechtenauer Langschwert is.

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draw me like one of your french wenches...

>> No.29583840

Katanas are actually pretty good weapons, if used properly. The problem is Weebs thinking it's a magical lightsaber or people who think all swords work the same. It's a light and fast single-edged weapon meant to either be used with quick strokes in two hands or complemented with a shorter wakizashi and used against lightly armoured opponents. Give it to a small and fast scout character and have them fight with a martial art actually developed for the use of that weapon instead of just trying to swing it like a bastard sword. It's not a perfect weapon by a long shot, but it's not as bad as /tg/ likes to think.

>> No.29583842

How the fuck do you even unsheath that?

>> No.29583867


I think it'd be enough just to hook the clod around the neck with the sheath and ride past him. Christ, it's like a blunt sickle.

>> No.29584018

Is there any point to that twist in the haft, or is it just aesthetic? It does look bitchin'.

>> No.29584054

I think that makes it somewhat more resistant to bending/folding.

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Best kebab sword

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also, does anyone have any lances

>> No.29589338

Just remember that it's as far from "completely useless shit" as it is from "perfect" and disregard all weeaboos and westaboos.

>> No.29589494

The thing is:

A) It was used against armored opponents on the battlefield the way most other swords are--you strike for areas where armor doesn't cover. Plus this was a bit easier in Japan and during the Imjin War, as neither the Japanese, Koreans, nor Chinese had full plate armor.

B) The "martial art actually developed for the use of that weapon" is actually startlingly similar to the German school of swordsmanship. So using it properly...DOES look a little like swinging it like a bastard sword. Particularly in the area of stances/wards.

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>> No.29589794

How long did it take to reload a pistol anyway?

>> No.29590624
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These are my favorite kinds of European swords, right here.

>> No.29593108

rodeleros were the shit

>> No.29593126

That is obviously built for stabbing, but does it have a cutting edge?

>> No.29593368

Looks like a side sword - precursor to the rapier.
> its blade, though thin, could be used to make effective cuts
>Modern tests have shown it capable of cutting cleanly through a pig

>> No.29593442

>not stupid

>> No.29594005

is that a FAMAS?

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>> No.29594524

Yeah, it's one of them late-period arming swords/espada ropera types. Late 15th century Spanish sword.

>> No.29594744

don't know about pistol but English infantry should be able to reload a musket in about 20 seconds

>> No.29597928

Nothing else?

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>> No.29598237

>that sword
Because some days you just don't feel like casting Smite.

>> No.29598631

So THAT'S what a fullblade looks like in real life. Good to know.

>> No.29599883

Eh, from all I've read they're not really any more or less effective than straight ones, just more expensive. It's mostly just a poser thing.

>> No.29600893

Judging from the three groups of Japs I had I got the impression that they are all mad westaboos. Zweihander, Halberds and English Longbows everywhere.

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That's a really good question. Somebody should ask 2chan.

They're not really especially good weapons, though. You can't judge things like that in a vaccum; yeah, they can cut an unarmored dude pretty well, but so what? You can cut an unarmored guy with a sharpened rock but you don't see caveaboos with their masterwork flint axes saying "just have them fight with a martial art actually developed for the use of the weapon."

It's not a particularly good weapon compared to other weapons, and that's ok. Not every weapon has to be good to be cool.

The Imjin war also had muskets and cannon, though, and it's not like field plate is the only armor that can stop/deflect swords.

>> No.29601452

Well, for what it's worth the Katana (as probably all curved blades) is also very, very efficient against cloth/linen armor, which was probably quite widespread for a time. From some tests I've seen (unfortunately didn't save the link) it turned out that 30 layers of linen would actually be quite resistant against hacking and even puncturing attacks, but a drawing cut like from a curved blade would go right through. So there's a niche there at least.

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Reminds me of pic related, which he wields one-handed. Can't wait to see that scene in motion.

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