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29314777 No.29314777 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

I mean if EVERYONE has enough in common with humans, why don't they have enough in common with each other to crossbreed?
From a crunch POV, I can KINDA see why this hasn't really appeared in any books. Orks/elves kinda [when statistically compared] would equal humans when combined. Anything else would either be really weird to stat, or have the same aforementioned problems of becoming a human in terms of numbers.
But fluff wise I still don't get it.

>> No.29314872

Its because the people who made the games wanted to do lewd things with all the races they made, and they themselves were human.

There's no reason you can't say fluffwise that there are orc\elf hybrids running around, maybe just have it be so rare they don't get racial entries for them.

>> No.29314895

>>29314777
Who the hell coloured that picture?

It fucking ruined it.

>> No.29314928

>>29314777

It's our unique thing.

>> No.29314933 [DELETED] 
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29314933

So, being that I know close to nothing about women, I unfortunately have no fucking idea how to use them in tabletop games. Sure, I've shoehorned in female characters left and right, but I've never really made a MAIN character out of one. I've played games where some of my players were females/had female characters, but I usually get really awkward whenever someone starts trying to seduce someone, buy a hooker, and so on and so forth.

Any advice for how to use/incorporate female characters?

>> No.29314935

>>29314777
>Dragon
>Only one child

What? Dragons lay clutches.

What happened to the rest of the eggs?

>> No.29314941

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

>> No.29314945

Dragons are magic so they can be with anybody.

>> No.29314986

Humans are sluts.

>> No.29314996

>>29314933
Take the kinds of women characters you already make. Then have them more interested in fighting/gold/accomplishments/family honor/magic than sex and relationships. BAM. Women who aren't sex objects.

>> No.29316135

>>29314777
>I mean if EVERYONE has enough in common with humans, why don't they have enough in common with each other to crossbreed?
not necessarily. there are a plethora of reasons why it could feasibly happen. Its just extremely unlikely, especially for a whole array of creatures.

>why can nobody but humans crossbreed with other races?
where the fuck did you get that ridiculous notion? Humans tend to be above average in cross breeding, some races can do it better (dragons, angels, demons), most races can do it a little worse (dwarves, gnomes, elves, etc)... although most of those can still crossbreed with some creatures in most settings

>> No.29316146

>>29314935
they fought to the death and the victor ate their siblings.

... also in many settings dragons lay single eggs not clutches, and in others dragons bear live young. (those are rare though)

>> No.29316232

>>29314777

What are you talking about, Dragons can basically crossbreed with anything in 3.5?

>> No.29316255

>>29314777
>why can nobody but humans crossbreed with other races?

Dragons and demons spring to mind, and that's from someone who never played DnD. Stop treating /tg/ jokes as holy writ.

>> No.29316313

>>29316232
Not to mention Fey and all Outsiders can also crossbreed if they've got the proper equipment.

>> No.29316327

>>29316313
if they don't have the equipment they can magic it.

>> No.29316645

>>29314777
>why don't they have enough in common with each other to crossbreed?
But they CAN, OP.

That's why the gods made humans.

>> No.29316674

>>29314872
I roll orc/elf hybrids in my games.

Known as Orf's, and Elc's in short. Commonly refered to Orf Elc's. Which is then sometimes bastardized into "Or-Folks" as a racial slur.

I've also allowed orc/dragonborn

Because orcs are more fertile and are the universal rape and pillage race.

Their genetics also work like xenomorphs to an extent. Sure they're only technically half orc, but if they reproduce, they're only going to pass on full blooded PRC genetics, and none of the other race's.

This means there's a lot of inbred genetics.
Which is why Orcish tribes are so different that you can look at one and generally tell the tribe.

I go really deep with my world building.

>> No.29316684

>>29316674
>* full-blooded orc genetics

>> No.29316718

>>29314777

In my world it's because all the demi-human races were bred from humans, the only non-demihuman that can interbreed is dragons, and that's because magic.

The demi-human races can't breed with each other very well because they are all offshoots in different directions, making crossbreeds very rare and typically very unhealthy when they do occur.

>> No.29316757

>>29316718
I generally set things up in a few camps:

Goblinoids, including all the orcs, trolls, bugbears, bogeymen, and etceteral.

Humanoids, which include all the elves, orcs, giants, guys made of fire, etcetera.

Dragons, which include all the kobolds, owlbears, monstergirls, and anything else that is blatantly magical in construction.

>> No.29316877

>>29316674
speaking of orc hybrids
Dwarf + Orc = Dork

>> No.29316890

They are called races for a reason... you know, cracker, nigger, spic, chink.

If they couldn't interbred they would be called species (monkey, dog, horse, cat, etc)

>> No.29316937

>>29314777
>why can nobody but humans crossbreed with other races?
But they can, OP. In fact, that's how humans came about. Humans are what you get when all the humanoid races fuck each other constantly until none of their descendants know what they're supposed to be anymore. (In this setting, "human" would come AFTER "humanoid," etymologically)

>> No.29317007

Humans get to breed with other species in modern fantasy because Mr. Spock was half-Vulcan, half human.

But in all seriousness, you can, if you wish, imagine that all of the humanoid species can breed, but that Humans:Humanoids::Blacks:Humans.

Suddenly, "Humans" are "Just about anyone with Human heritage. I mean, they _look_ human enough, just with maybe a couple of features from another race." (E.g. sweet Dwarven Beard, pointy ears. Perhaps the fairest of human maidens have some Elvish heritage.)

>> No.29317067

>>29316937
I love this explanation
I bet they use the word "human" the same way we use "mutt"

>> No.29317137 [DELETED] 

"Dracoparontephobia"

The fear of the presence of dragons, specifically while shapeshifted.

There are in fact a whole slew of mental illnesses that are related directly to paranoid fantasies about dragons.

Each year there are approximately twenty five hundred cases of Dracoparontephobia induced suicide, usually with the victim screaming "He's Dragons! She's Dragons! YOU'RE ALL DRAGONS!" before jumping off of a high height.

>> No.29317437

>>29314777
I my setting, all races were made when the gods took their Primal Soul and merged it with some element. Hence Wood Elves, Eladrin, Drow and so on. The Primal Soul of Humans however, was especially rowdy and stung any god that tried to touch it. Hence why, when humans finally came into being, they a) had no direct, patron god and b) had a bloodline that was extremely mutable, leading to all the half-breeds of the world.

>> No.29317500

>>29316877
My sides, oh lawd.

>> No.29317552

I just warn my players about crossbreeding by using an after-school special scenario.

> Meet Maximillian, an ordinary adventurer.
> Maximillian turns down wenches and whores, his friends are deeply concerned by him.
> Maximillian has been sneaking off in the night, knowing full well what foul beasts creep in the night.
> Uh oh, Maxi, a foul elf with long sharp talons, whatever shall you do? Strike? Run? Put on robe and wizard hat?
> Sadly Maxi chose the worst answer, DIPLOMACY. He is now stuck in the elf encampment, taking care of the Elf's brood and not being allowed to adventure.
> Do you want to end up like Maximillian?
> Don't try to reason with other races!

And I always try to bring about the slightly Nixon-esque voice Futurama uses.

>> No.29317885

Well in my campaign, humans can interbreed with almost all other races because they embody all 4 of the classical elements and their associated humours. The other major races embody a single humour, which makes it harder for them to breed with each other, although it's not impossible so long as their humours do not directly oppose

>> No.29317936

>>29314777
A dragon/human child has to be most fertile/virile entities in existence.
On a separate note, a dragon and a rogue actually make a great couple when you think about it.
>both love gold/valuable items
>both are really only concerned about themselves
>both will lie, cheat, and/or steal to get what they want
>if you steal from one, you better run for your life
Rogue comes home with his ill gotten loot has the same time as the scaled misses comes back with her poached goods from caravans. They then dump their loot onto their shared hoard, while cuddling atop it.

>> No.29318029

>>29316232

Dragons closely followed by Dryads have the widest range of possible mates - dryads can mate with EVERYTHING BUT LIZARDFOLK, which makes less sense than anything else.

Druids are literally the most blessed of all classes in D&D.

>> No.29318064

>>29318029
I always wanted to play a druid who's character can be summed up with "Get the hell off my lawn!"

>> No.29318232

>>29317936
That's a cute mental image; very domestic.

It also suddenly makes me want to stick my dick in dragon vag, so off to /d/ I go!

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29318269

>>29318232
Ha, like /d/ has good dragon porn. We're lucky to have the catalog, so we can dig through all the dickgirl threads.

>> No.29318281

>>29314928
This.
Elves are immortal.
Orcs are strong.
Humans can fuck anything.

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>>29318064
Plants are much better than mammals anyway,

>> No.29318443

>>29317552
>>Put on robe and wizard hat?

ICwutudidthar

>> No.29319346

>>29314777
>Implying.
Not on every game, but it's a common recurring thing, some do, some don't, normally D&D does but that's because mah race bonuses and fun.
In my homebrew the only compatible races are human/"orc" since they're technically the same race, the kids normally are stillbirths.

>> No.29319441

>>29318232
>yfw you get the only male dragon.
>Of the whole world.
>There is only ONE male dragon.
>And it's the one you're married to.
>You now hold the dragon species continuation in your hand.

>> No.29320315

>>29314777
If I'm remembering my D&D correctly, humans can only really cross-breed with other humanoids... and dragons, because everything can breed with dragons. Even human-dwarf hybrids are infertile, I think.

The real question asked by that picture is "why can nobody but dragons crossbreed with other races?", which is a good question.

>> No.29320331

>>29318340
Pam really got shafted in the redesign

>> No.29320399

>>29320315
>The real question asked by that picture is "why can nobody but dragons crossbreed with other races?", which is a good question.

Isn't that just because they like to polymorph themselves into the other species, or polymorph other species into dragonkin they can mate with? So it's not like a malcontent* with a Turkey Baster filled with Dragonspunk can just go about creating an army of draconic halfbreeds.

*Usually a Wizard.

>> No.29320677

>>29314777
because FUCK YEAH HUMANITY.

Throw in spelljammer and it's even more applicable.

>> No.29320713

>>29314777
Because if a nigger and an orc cross bred we would be gifted with a monster that speaks a mixture of WAAGH and Ebonics that even orcs, Ogres, half-orcs golbins, troll and may other scum creatures would speak of like boogeyman.

No one wants that kind of monster to grace the earth.

>> No.29320747

>>29314777
>Orcs will crossbreed with virtually every humanoid and demihuman species except elves, with whom they cannot. The mongrel offspring of orcs and these other species are known as half-orcs. Orc-goblins, orc-hobgoblins, and orc-humans are the most common

>> No.29320811

>>29319441
Isn't that the premise of Reign of Fire? There was only one male and shit ton of females?

>> No.29320857

>>29320811
Yeah, a gender-reverse ant colony type of deal

>> No.29320984

>>29320857
And 'Merica was there too.

And it was good.

Why aren't there enough 'Merica Dragons Outside of Shadowrun?

>> No.29321036

>>29320984
They also killed the dragons in a pretty orky way too. Jump out of helicopters to melee them.

>> No.29321210

>>29321036
Yes, yes they did.

So my question stands. Why no 'Merica Dragons and with them 'Merica Dragonslayers (Outside of Shadowrun)?

>> No.29321267

>>29320713
/pol/...please.

>> No.29321282

>>29321210
All died jumping out of helicopters trying to melee dragons.

>> No.29321302

>>29321282
Sacrifices must be made for AWESOME

>> No.29321366
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29321366

Remember who the two leading males were

>> No.29321573

>>29321366
Sacrifices had to be made.

>> No.29321616

>>29320857

Wouldn't that just be a lion style pride then?

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29321625

>>29317552
Dammit, I read it in his voice.

AROOOO

>> No.29321631

>>29321616
I haven't slept yet, shut up

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29321651

>>29320677

>spelljammer
>humans can reproduce with anything
>human/beholder hybrids
>human/space hamster hybrids

My body is not ready for this.

>> No.29321661

>>29318269

The only thing stopping /tg/ from merging permenantly into /d/ is their lack of any good dungeon porn.

>> No.29321698

This is because they;re meant to be RACES of the same SPECIES. That's how they can mate.

>> No.29321746

>>29314777
I see this alot.

I don't get it.

Humans can lay Orcs, and Elves and in Pathfinder Hags

... and...

What else?

We don't have half dwarves, Gnomes, Halfling, Golithes, Giths, Tri-kreens, kenders, ...Warforged...

And before someone mentions, Celestial, Devils, or Dragon. They breed with truly everything, hence the Half-Blah temple and no half-human template

Like wise, Shifters of Eberron and vampire are human to begin with.

Ofcourse what Setting or world ARE we talking about?

>> No.29321754

>>29321698

>all races are draconic
>yet somehow dryads are the same species as everything but the lizardfolk.

>> No.29321767
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29321767

>>29318269
Ha. True dat.

>> No.29321827

>>29321754

>Confusing biological reproduction and magical reproduction.

The PC races, Dwarves, Elves, Humans, Halflings, Orcs, are all the same species or atleast genus. Let's say cousins. That means they can mate, and the offsring may or may not be fertile.

Dragons, and Dryads, are magic shit. They can reproduce by magic. The same principles aply to Zeus seducing chicks as animals. An animal can't get a girl pregnant, but because magic, it happens anyways.

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29321960

>>29318232
> /d/

>Anything but dickgirls.

You'd be lucky if there's a Xeno or Robot thread going on. And even then there are dickgirls in THOSE.

>> No.29321982

>>29321746
Wait, would a human/halfling child be a quarterling?

>> No.29321995

>>29321982
No it'd be a 3/4th-ling

>> No.29322029

>>29321995
Can we get a 7/8ths-ling?

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29322039

>>29321960
looks like it's cuddling time

>> No.29322068

>>29322029
Have a 3/4thling breed with a quarterling (halfling and a 3/4thling offspring) if I am doing the mental math right.

>> No.29322193

>>29316757
Wait Orcs are in two categories.

>> No.29322371

In my setting it's basically this:

Non-Magical Race:
Human

Magical Races:
Elves - Magical Communism Powers
Orcs - Planeswalking Powers
Dwarves - Magic Crafting Powers

Combo Races:
Human and any Magical Race:
Halflings - The magic gets a bit diluted, and they just get a magical bonus that they can put into a mundane skill.

Two Magical Races:
Gnomes - All that magic sorta slams together and they just get some spells/day.

Any combinations beyond that just go to one of those combinations. Bugger 3/4thlings or what not.

>> No.29322477

>>29317936
>Two people who share the same flaws will get along great
Not necessarily true.
Most likely the dragon and rogue will have trust issues over money.

>> No.29322508

>>29321767
that is cute

>> No.29322657

>>29322477
that's why they sleep cuddled next to one another, so they know where the other is at all times. The dragon's hoard acts has a good bank/hiding place for his loot. The rogue knows how to set up their cave so people won't be able to easily sneak in and steal their gold. Takes a thief to know a thief etc. Also, both of them overcoming their trust issues makes it all the cuter for their relationship when they do. They could even scam people by playing evil dragon and dragonslayer for hire like in Dragonheart.

>> No.29322734

>>29314777
Pathfinder lets non-human races spawn Aasimar or Tieflings.

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29322768

>>29321960
>>29322039


Too Lewd.

>> No.29322835

>>29322657
>later that night the dragon brings up that she wants to be the good one for a change

>> No.29322901

>>29322835
>they both end up playing bad guys and just pillage the town

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29322938

>>29322768
you mean "not lewd enough"

>> No.29322958

>>29322835
>She polymorphs and they go along with the plan
>Rogue is jealous that all the men are paying attention to her.
>Stops the plan and confronts them.
>Fight ensues.
>>29322901
She isn't even mad that he messed up the plan because of her.

>> No.29323073

>>29322958
She's into roleplay and has several outfits for him
>the knight and the defeated dragoness
>the prince and his dragoness captor
>the princess and his dragoness captor that one time
>naughty thief caught and punished by the dragoness
>she even has a giant wooden stack with rope so they can play virgin sacrifice and dragoness

>> No.29323222

>>29314777
Hobgoblins are the offspring of orcs raping elves. Goblins are the offspring of orcs raping gnomes.

>>29321210
Because america doesn't have much in the way of its own myths and folklore being a melting pot of other cultures and the indigenous people culled. In a setting like Shadowrun with "magic" returning to the world it would likely be the place with the biggest mix of mythological stuff from all over because of this.

>> No.29323244

>>29314777
Humans can interbreed with everyone. Dragons can interbreed with everyone. Humans are actually dragon larvae, but most never get enough levels and gold to metamorphose into their true form.

>> No.29323287

>>29314777

Book of Erotic Fantasy, page 50. Enjoy.

>> No.29323409

>>29323244
I like this setting idea.
Can also spice it up with cannibalism helping humans achieve their dragonhood and increase their power.

>> No.29323552

>>29323244
Makes me think of " The thirteenth year " That Disney movie with the merman.

>> No.29323722

>>29321661
That and /tg/ has a much looser standard of what counts as furry.

>> No.29323793

>>29323722
more like /tg/ is closet furry

>> No.29324028

In my system, humans are the oldest race, they were around before the gods came. Then the gods came, they took humans as followers, and those followers eventually became separate races... Since humans are still untainted by thousands of years of magical/spiritual fuckery, they can make babies with anyone.

>> No.29324180

Anyone have that comic where the elf wants to neuter the human?

>> No.29324185

>>29322938
Damn, I need a dragon waifu.

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29324254

>>29324185
everyone does.
A half dragon is ok too.

btw, is there a way to reference an image file that already exists? (it won't let me upload it and instead links to a different thread where it has been posted)

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29324303

>>29324254
Damn straight!

>> No.29324327

>>29324303
oh hey, I don't have that one... thanks for adding to my collection

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29324416

>>29323793
Equally likely.

>> No.29325110

>>29321651
Only 168 orgasms in 175 days? I'm actually wondering why it hurts. That's less than one a day.

>> No.29325186

>>29325110
His dick has an extra hole in it.

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29325276

>>29323073

This is my fetish, man. Knights and dragonesses. There just isn't enough porn of that. The internet is both a blessing and a curse. A foul temptress, putting beautiful pictures in your mind only to never deliver on the promise.

>> No.29325330

>>29322068
No, no, you'd just need a 3/4thling and a human.

The breed combo you're thinking of would land you at a 5/8thling.

>> No.29325730

>>29314941
>Biology phenomena of Ring Species
Not only is this the answer to OP, but it implies immediate common ancestry across things that barely even look related. IE Orcs, humans, elvs, etc are all practically in the same genus.

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29325988

Eh, only a few artists themselves will have non-humans have an interspecies relationship

>> No.29326023

>>29323793
Isn't that /k/?

>>29325110
Depends on how you grip.

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29326030

>B-but, it's forbidden!

>> No.29326058

>>29326023
/tg/ and /k/ are buddies for many reasons, you know.

>> No.29326129

>>29318281
*Humans just fuck everything

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>> No.29326180

>>29326131
>Daddy you are so naughty!

>> No.29326237

>>29314777

Oh, they do crossbreed. The problem is that, well, we don't have a lot of information on it. Why not make them yourself?

What would occur on a half-elf, half-dwarf hybrid? Half-halflin/half-orc?

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>>29323287

Or you could not be a dick and post it.

>> No.29326380

>>29326290
>tfw when no qt 3.14 celestial bugbear gf

>> No.29326402

>>29326290

>Dragons, Nymphs, Celestials and Fiends

Yeah, pretty much the easiest to produce something halfbreed.

>> No.29326511

>>29326290
>Dragons full of Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Whores, the lot of 'em

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>>29324254
Only if the other half is metal.

>> No.29326818

>>29326511
No, Anon, pimps.

>> No.29327689

>>29326707
i can't fap to this

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>>29323244

see >>29323287

Humans can't breed with dwarves, bugbears, halflings, gnomes, goblins, gnolls, hobgoblings, kobolds, lizardfolk or minotaurs.

Apparently centaurs are fine though.

>> No.29328211

>>29327945
Centaurs are maybe.

For some reason I find this hilarious.

>> No.29328238

>>29327945
>>29326290
That table contradicts some more official stuff, if you take "N" to mean "can't breed at all": Dark Sun had stats for human/dwarf hybrids, but they're infertile.

>> No.29328274

>>29328238
It may only apply to certain settings. The laws of physics vary by crystal sphere.

>> No.29328376

because we are a race of half breed abominations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html

>> No.29328451

>>29328274
> The laws of physics vary by crystal sphere.
Where's that from, I like it. (Though it means inter-sphere transport spells have to be very complicated, so you don't suddenly find that carbon from your homeworld is highly radioactive at your destination. (hmm... this can be weaponised))

>> No.29328510
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>>29316877
This was funnier than it has any right to be

>> No.29328525

>>29327689
You're not trying hard enough.

>> No.29328553

>>29314777
half elf half dwarf AD&D stat it
bonus what class and equipment

>> No.29328745
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>>29328451

>He doesn't know about crystal spheres

>> No.29328764

>>29328451
Spelljammer. Even gods can get fucked by trying to show up in the wrong crystal sphere.

>> No.29328865

>>29328764
Gods trying to show up in Athas Crystal Sphere, looking for new worshippers. Get it's ass kicked by level 3 Peasant. Hangs up a big "DO NOT ENTER!" Sign. Few years down the road, another god ignores the sign, repeats the same mistake, adds his own sign. Eventually it's a giant forum of various entities discussing how badly they were beaten and by what. That's assuming they made it out to tell. Every now and then you get bunch Spelljammers thinking they can rough it, they never come back.

One day Githyanki decide to invade, they take one look and couldn't get out there sooner. They left the first vanguard, who eventually mutated into Gith. Such is the tales of Athasian Crystal Sphere.

>> No.29329196

>>29328865
why, mechanically, do gods get their asses kicked by a level 3 peasant in that sphere?

>> No.29329329

>>29329196

Bad mojo. Athas is tainted to divinity.

>> No.29329436

>>29328865
>Every now and then you get bunch Spelljammers thinking they can rough it, they never come back.
Wouldn't any party over level 5 that doesn't rely entirely on divine magic be more or less okay?

>> No.29329479

>>29329329
so? Your average divinity is Wizard 20/Fighter 20/Divine HD 20

So fine, they are no longer divine there. they are still a wizard 20/Fighter 20.

>> No.29329507

what if other races do mix breed but curiously enough, every time they attempt to have the child, it turns out its a human

>> No.29329549

>>29329479
Which is big, but there re bigger things out there, so they could get beaten, but not by any schmuck.
(Also, I think arcane magic has some weird shit in dark sun, but I don't remember how that interacts with wizards coming in from other planes or crystal spheres. I'm pretty sure there are rules for it, but I don't know them.)

>> No.29329651

>>29329549
I wasn't saying they are invincible, I am wondering how they get their ass kicked by a level 3 commoner.

>> No.29329702

>>29329651
And I'm agreeing with you on this, and wondering if anybody remembers what the 2e rules for bringing external wizards into a dark sun campaign were.

>> No.29329769

>>29329702
>>29329651

You can't just throw around power in Athas (at least in 2e). A deity would be severed from its reservoir of power, lose its divine abilities, etc. They weren't 60+ leveled behemoths in 2e...

People choosing shit systems, then getting angry when their edition of choice doesn't correspond to ideas from a different edition.

>> No.29329794

>>29329507
I like this.

>> No.29329805

>>29328211

I actually found the interbreedability of humans and giants to be funnier.

Though that might just be the mental image of human sperm doing the death star run on a giant ova.

>> No.29329821

>>29329702
Very simple.

Preservers are bog standard wizards. Wizards from other settings are all defilers.

Defilers is a nastily quick and easy path to power. It also can (in at least one version of the rules) bring your charisma insanely low.

So yeah, non-DS wizards are all preservers, and there's no reason not to allow defilers (imo) in other campaign settings as well.

It never states what happens if it goes below 1, but I decided in my campaign, it could go below 1. There was a hilariously evil and insane necromancer defiler in one of my campaigns who had a charisma of -12.

>> No.29329855

>>29329702
>>29329769
I could FUCKING SWEAR there were rules in one of the books for how a wizard can squeeze his way out of the Dark Sun cosmology into the rest of the multiverse or vice versa, but I have never been able to find it again.

>> No.29329869

>>29329821
>There was a hilariously evil and insane necromancer defiler in one of my campaigns who had a charisma of -12.

He'd be the ultimate wingman - have him stand by a bard in a bar and the bard would have a +12 CHA bonus.

>> No.29329878

>>29327945
>humans can't breed with dwarves

Oh anon how I wish you were wrong

>> No.29329895

>>29329855
there are specific mentions of some wizards doing it. IIRC mordenkeinen and the other shits.

>>29329821
charisma of -12.
you fall into a coma at cha 0
>Wizards from other settings are all defilers.
>non-DS wizards are all preservers
make up your mind

>> No.29329902

>>29329821
Lol no Non-DS wizards would be defilers. That's assuming they stay alive long enough to figure it out. You have to be taught how to preserve.

>> No.29329970

>>29322657
I should turn this into a comic.

>> No.29329972

>>29329895

>you fall into a coma at cha 0

We're talking about 2e, dude. Charisma isn't a metaphysical force of personality stat in 2e.

And I mis-typed, I meant to say, preservers are the DEFAULT wizard, wizards from other settings are preservers. Defilers are the variant.

>>29329902
The preserver class is DIRECTLY stated to be the default D&D wizard. Defilers use a different XP table and everything.

>> No.29330005

the defiler preserver split is bullshit anyways
defilers don't defile 24/7, they will run out. The sorcerer kings are all defilers and they build groves of trees of life and massive gardens to feed their slaves.
a preserver can defile once and go back to preserving... as long as other preservers don't find out.

>> No.29330034

>>29330005
In 4e, yeah, there's no difference between the two.
In 2e, defilers do in fact defile all the time and a preserver risks permanently becoming a defiler every time he defiles.

>> No.29330060

>>29330034
I know, but I am saying 4e was correct in fixing it.
and that the way 2e handles defiling is fucking retarded

>> No.29330111

>>29314986
See... everyone makes the humans are sluts joke but then goes right on perpetuating it. I actually made this canonical in one of my settings and it was a lot of fun (As in, other races canonically believed humans were unnecessarily lewd and could crossbreed with damn anything)

There's just something adorable about a perfectly innocent romance between a human and a halfling where her parents can absolutely not find out that she's dating a human because of long held prejudices.

>> No.29330130

>>29330060
The setting is a once verdant world reduced to desert by the ravages of sorcery. You don't get to that point by defilers only defiling once in a blue moon when in extreme need. So yeah, the 2e take on defiling fits perfectly.

You are also missing the fact that the reason why sorcerer kings have other spellcasters be hunted down, and why they cultivate greenery, is to feed their spells, which would be nonsensical if they only need to defile during a high stress fight.

It is however a nice way to jazz up arcane classes in 4e.

>> No.29330180

>>29329972
That's for XP wise, to Preserve you have to be taught that you can take only what you need. Otherwise you draw in too many by default. It's considered the 'default' wizard for Athasian Wizards, as a direct comparison. However a non Athasian wizard wouldn't know not to take what they can get. After all if they're not informed, and they figure out how to cast, they'd assume it would be like their weave. Which the weave automatically regulates the magic one can get, however that's because the god of magic.

>> No.29330288

>>29330180
>Which the weave automatically regulates the magic one can get, however that's because the god of magic.

What? The wizards of every setting but Forgotten Realms can cast spells just fine on their own without Mystra babysitting them.

Hell, preservers predated defilers even on Dark Sun.

>> No.29330323

>>29328211

Wait a second, maybe on that chart means that the "resultant child will likely be a half-breed."

...

...isn't a half-centaur either just a human or a horse?

>> No.29330431

>>29330288

Then it sounds like a retcon, i.e. it's not a reconcilable bit of lore, you have to either accept the pre-retcon version or the post-retcon version of it.

Much more likely it's a matter of GM taste - want to have the Dark Sun setting be a place where the myriad forces of the multiverse get their shit pushed in? take one interpretation, want it to be just another bit of the multiverse, all be it a crappy bit that no one could get much from, take the other interpretation.

>> No.29330496

>>29330288
>Mystra babysitting wizards

Mystra seriously should be babysitted by a group of elite wizards with her at all times, because she dies literally every time Ed Greenwood needs to treat his latest DM's girlfriend with ascension.

>> No.29330587

>>29330431

>Then it sounds like a retcon, i.e. it's not a reconcilable bit of lore, you have to either accept the pre-retcon version or the post-retcon version of it.

No, its always been that preservers were first (and were normal D&D wizards), and that defilers were the defective, wicked fuckups of the wizarding world, yet possessed of incredible power.

>> No.29330610

>>29330323

No. It is a man with a horse cock.

And they're not infertile, just unable to inseminate in the normal manner.

>> No.29330633

>>29330610
Or a horse with a human cock.

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>>29330633

Or a man with a horse pussy.

>> No.29330789

>>29330130
>You are completely mission the fact why everyone is an extremist one way or another and nobody ever walks the middle road.
>And its perfectly fine that the crunch shits all over the fluff in 2e even though nothing I said actually justifies it

I am not missing anything. I know those explanation and I find them to be:
1. Ridiculous caricatures instead of actual people.
2. Impractical
3. Not a justification for the bad crunch.

>> No.29331359

>>29330789

Its a desert planet. Due to defiling magic. If you want to tell tales of Athas still being a happy verdant place, the "only defile once in a blue moon" style of 4e fits better.

>1. Ridiculous caricatures instead of actual people.

How so? Your magic isn't really a big part of who you are, its about how you do things. Defilers can still be neutral. Preservers (afaik) can still be evil.

>Impractical
>walking the middle road

Defilers don't need to cast spells every fucking day.

>bad crunch

Cool totally subjective bias you masquerade as fact, friend.

>> No.29331455

>>29331359
and that's not a knock against 4e, mind you, 4e's treatment of Dark Sun in general (aside from the awful avangion and defiler dragon epic destinies) was quite stellar and memorable for breaking all the rules that 4e had up to that point (no intra-party conflict, no "evilish" stuff for PCs, etc).

>> No.29331757

>>29331359
nice one sided way to present things.
Except a preserver who defiles risks "falling" and forever becoming a defiler, a different class. and can't change back.
which shits all over the fluff.

The planet is a desert because of the natural interactions of people. But the 2e rules require absolute dedication, a defiler cannot cast a spell without defiling the land, even though canonically they should be able to cast such spell.

>> No.29331811

>>29314777
That's humanity's hat.

>> No.29331979

>>29317936
Dragon/human child would have the ability to fuck anything.

ANYTHING.

>> No.29332070

>>29328553
>half elf half dwarf AD&D stat it
It is a human.

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>>29331979
Anything?

>> No.29332131

>>29329878
He is.
They don't 'breed true', in that the offspring are sterile, but Muls are pretty badass.

>> No.29332163

>>29332124
Anything

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>>29332131
According to the Dark Sun campaign setting Muls are pretty much super-human muscle beasts, from memory. They stand larger than humans and have bitchin endurance and shit.

>> No.29334196

What would a mostly human descendant of the result of a human/ uplifted shocker lizard cross be like?

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>>29334196

>> No.29336765
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It's not that they can't, just that humans are the ones who keep screwing with the other species the most.

>> No.29336806

>>29332131
ER, I meant, I wish he was right, because muls are kind of disturbing on every level.

>> No.29338552

>>29336765

Nah, just that most people aren't that creative in their functionalities. We could easily make a table for all of the crosses. The real tricky stuff is when you get into a half-dragon/half-ooze breeding with a straight human. Of course you also wonder if line breeding or other traits can produce super specimens.

I love creating large family trees and new combinations, but /tg/ probably wouldn't want to see any of the work. They weren't interested in genetic illnesses in the retard thread either ;_;

>> No.29338865

>>29314935
Late to respond, but
>A human can only produce enough semen to fertilize one to three eggs on a one night stand, and only when the female is at the peak of her yearlong reproductive cycle.

>> No.29338891

>>29323222
What if Sasquatch is actually Orcs, Mothman is a dragon, and the wendigo is a flying tarrasque?
Oh, and Civil War soldiers made up a decent amount of myths. Problem is that most of them are the same.

>> No.29338893

>>29338552
OH YEAH, THAT THREAD! I forgot: I was gonna say elves don't have retard babies, but then I remembered the myth about changelings (not the cool shapeshifting ones), one of the oldest myths about elves was that they'd sneak into people's houses, and steal the human's baby and leave a defective retard baby in exchange.

>> No.29338926

>>29330656
>Half centaurs are always either a centaur or a human. Also a hermaphrodite.

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>>29323244
Oh, my beloved Dragon...

>> No.29338954

>>29314941


This makes me want to set up all those fancy elf subraces as a ring species. Like say dark elves, grey elves, high elves, wood elves, wild elves..

or something like that.

>> No.29338971

>>29338926
A human and centaur offspring would be like a satyr, but with horse parts instead of goat parts.

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>>29338971
Excellent, now I have an excuse to bring Draenei into every setting.

>> No.29338987

>>29338981
they're pretty much thieflings

>> No.29339009

>>29338981
Why the fuck do people like Draenei

Their design is just a haphazard mash of horrible colors and random body parts

It's so ugly, I can't even

>> No.29339024

>>29339009
Prehensile tail and handlebars.

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There are, in fact, some prezygotic barriers in existence.

But damned if we won't try anyway.

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>>29338981
I meant more like the classical satyrs
Lower body is that of a goat like pic related, but with horse lower body for the mix of human/centaur

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>>29338945
>>29331979
ANYTHING.

>> No.29339070

>>29339024
You can have that without it being attached to a fluorescent blue Warcraft abomination, though

>> No.29339075 [SPOILER] 
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>>29339058
nine months later

>> No.29339097

>>29339058

Fun fact: I know a woman who had a dildo made of one of her husband's bones. Has it on display in the living room and says that on their anniversary she fucks it. She is only 30 and hot, but how do you compete with skeledick? Though the crazy threeway possibilities are endless.

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>>29339070
Of course. They come in D&D red, too.

>> No.29339114

>>29339097
NEVER PUT YOUR DICK IN CRAZY

>> No.29339135

>>29339114
You mean never put your dick in spooky

>> No.29339148

>>29339070
>abomination
They're not that bad anon

>> No.29339151

>>29339103
>I don't even know this girl
>Will I lose a level if I kiss her
>I wish I had more ranks in Sense Motive

>> No.29339187

>>29339148
YES THEY ARE MY MINORITY OPINION IS SCIENCE FACT

>> No.29339205

>>29339114

>Not wanting to fuck the shit out of widow bonegirl

It's like you have never lived. Imagine the feel of all of that negative energy coursing around you.

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>>29339114
Correction: NEVER PUT YOUR DICK IN ANYONE CRAZIER THAN YOU.

>> No.29339280

>>29339187
Wow's shit models are distracting you.

>> No.29339388

>>29339114
booooring.

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>>29324180

For context: from a series of drawing by Fredrik Andersson, of an adventuring party's bard who manages to get with...well, everything.

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>>29339712

The picture in question is this one. Which - yeah.

>> No.29339736

>>29331979
>>29339721
ANY. THING.

>> No.29339752

>>29339712
>All the other mothers are pissed.
>scorpionmom
>"Eyyyyyyy, how you dooooin'?"

>> No.29339768

>>29318232
The same thing just happened to the kobold sorcerer i'm playing only they're both males

>> No.29339803

>>29339712
that scorpion mom seemingly hitting on centaur mom reminds me of incestus realtionship that was suggested here a few days ago.

Not sure why

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>>29339712
>scorpion making a move on centaur

THESE ARE THE WOMEN THAT HOLD A HAREM TOGETHER.

THE WORLD NEEDS MORE SCORPION WOMEN.

>> No.29339878

>>29339841
it's less a harem and more a group you owe child support too. Adventuring is a lucrative job.

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>>29339097
I guess you could say he had an amazing boner.

>> No.29339895

>>29339712
I love how the mothers are opposite the kids. The four moms on the left seem pretty pissed at the bard, but their kids all love their papa. Meanwile, the two moms on the right are hitting on each other, while their kids are hitting each other.

>> No.29339918

>>29339895
He's lucky the werewolf only gave birth to one pup. The average wolf litter is like 5 or 6 pups.

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>>29339894

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>>29339894

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>>29339949
whoa. His puns were so bad they got him drummed him outta the navy!

>> No.29341018

>>29330656
Or a woman with a horsecock...

>dmitrys.jpg

>> No.29341620

>>29341018
like blatant fetish quest?

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