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>Tfw no db gf
>Tfw no red panda lunar waifu

>> No.28889121

How would you go about roleplaying a Twilight with Int 1 or a Dawn with Valor 1 or similarly gimped characters?

>> No.28889196

>>28889121
Average intelligence, but just happens to know about the specific things he succeeds rolls about in Lore and Medicine, has dumb luck with Crafting, Occult, and Investigation-based matters.

Or he's a coward when it comes to anything that he can outright tell is stronger than him.

>> No.28889303

Help me /tg/. How do I Alchemicals? The next campaing I will be in will involve them and a bunch of other exalts, but we don't know who will be changing worlds yet.

All I know is that they seem pretty cool and I've left the other types for the rest of the party.

>> No.28889465

>>28889196

Int 1 is explicitly below average. With 5 points in an ability, he becomes a world expert.

>>28889303

The barrier separating Creation from Autochthon is impenetrable from Creation. Alchemicals have already breached it and have set foot in the South.

>> No.28889506

>>28889121
That depends: what are their other scores/virtues/whatever? You have to have at least a 3 in some virtue to get Exalted. So what does the cowardly warrior have going for him?

>> No.28889513

>>28889465
>it's impossible to reach Autochtonia from Creation
>Solars excel at doing the impossible

Well. I'd say it's possible, if the GM wishes it so.

>> No.28889578

>>28889506

Haven't given it any thought. I meant it as a thought exercise; how do YOU do it, anon?

>> No.28889605

>>28889121
The Twilight would have a limited view of the world, and only be good at thinking within the context of crafting, magic, and so forth.

>>28889465
Well, void necromancy works to get in. Definitely niche though.

>> No.28889612

>>28889513

The First Age failed to do it after long concerted effort, so a Solar would have to put in more effort than that at a bare minimum.

>> No.28889694

>>28889578
Well, if he's a Dawn, he was chosen to be a warrior for The Sun, and was no doubt already a skilled combatant. The fact that he is a coward is interesting, though. It means he's either a ruthless pragmatic warrior, or he fights for something other than glory. Perhaps he just can't stand to see the weak get pushed around, to the point where his Compassion demands a response even as his Valor quivers at the thought of an open conflict.

>> No.28892756

Deathlords are cunts. How do we murder them?

>> No.28893004

>>28889506
Conviction? He is a coward, but when the chips are really down, he pulls through for his comrades.

>> No.28893027

>>28892756
As of 2E, they're a pain in the ass to fight directly and even if you destroy them they'll come back. The game hints that the Deathlords may have things called Banes, which are special weaknesses, though what those are isn't really said (and they might not exist).

Personally, one idea I had was to use the corpses of the Deathlords in their tombs as a weapon against them. Like, Mask of Winters and Walker in Darkness both have their corpses in the invisible fortress. An enterprising necromancer may be able to exploit something like that.

>> No.28893083

>>28893027
What about an enterprising necrophiliac?

>> No.28893118

>>28893083
Sure!

>HEY MASK OF WINTERS! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!

>> No.28893141

>>28893118
Well, if I can't use the spell Bone Lion to fuck Falafel, I will at least molest Mask of Winter's corpse.

>> No.28893149

>>28893027
The best way to beat them is probably to social-fu the Neverborn into destroying them.

>> No.28893194

>>28893149
The Neverborn are explicitly immune to any UMI, so you'd have to talk to them the old fashioned way, so its mostly ST discretion, as is any other way of dealing with the deathlords...

>>28893027
I seem to recall there's some necromancy spell which should wipe one out if cast on his corpse, or something.

>> No.28893233

>>28888818
My Solar was in a relationship with a shark girl Tia

Mull that over.

>> No.28893258

>>28893194
Is there a spell to force a ghost to go to Lethe?

>> No.28894491

>>28893233

The question is...is it a gay relationship if your Solar is a dude?

>> No.28896159

>>28894491
In character, nobody cares.
Out of character, it's still 1 dick + 1 pussy, so it's not gay to imagine it.

>> No.28897979

ok, ive been getting into exalted again, and i have to ask

if zenith and midnight castes are supposed to mirror each other, why does midnight get the anima ability to smite mortals but zenith gets nothing? it seems like there was some kind of oversight here

>> No.28898090

>>28897979

>Burn Bodies of the Dead, preventing creation of Ghosts/Zombies. May add one die to their minimum damage with their anima effect, rather than (Essence) dice.

>Creating Zombies/Smiting Mortals.

Did you read that right?

>> No.28898134

>>28898090
zenith burns bodies, midnight turns bodies into zombies, those two balance each other out

meanwhile midnight can do unsoakable aggravated damage to mortals, and while the zenith description says they can "strike down demons, the undead and other creatures of darkness" there is no mechanic for this listed for this

>> No.28898177

>>28898134

>May add one die to their minimum damage with their anima effect, rather than (Essence) dice.

Scroll of Errata, Page 19. And because the Midnight Anima power only deal aggravated power to mortals, that means anyone incapable of channeling Essence.

>> No.28898385

>>28889121
>How would you go about roleplaying a Twilight with Int 1
A savant that knows a lot of shit but lacks the creativity to improvise something. Maybe he knows the contents of every book he has read to the letter but lacks the ability to deduce information.
>Dawn with Valor 1
A gorilla warfare mastermind that refuses to fight unless there's massive advantage in numbers or absolutely no chance of casualties.

>> No.28898954

>>28894491
In the Realm, nobody cares if you prefer the same sex as long as you've pumped out some heirs with your official spouse. It's actually preferred because there's no way to create illegitimate children that way.

It isn't much different in the rest of Creation.

>> No.28898990

>>28889465

I wouldn't say already. The Autochtonian compass and Alchemicals book makes it clear the Alchemicals can only be Creation if the GM wants them there.

>> No.28899303
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>>28898990
The Locust Crusades are still totally a thing, though.

>> No.28899369

>>28899303
No, they are a POSSIBLE thing.
The Locust Crusade doesn't have to happen or be happening in every game, just like Return of the Scarlet Empress doesn't have to happen or be happening in every game.

>> No.28901834

>>28899369
Alchemicals are nevertheless a cool thing to add to the crazy cauldron of the south.

>> No.28901911

>>28901834
Agreed.

>> No.28902354

>>28899303
>Keychain of Creation
UPDATE ALREADY!

>> No.28902558

>>28902354

>Misho will never get the key's
>Secret will never become a solar
>Marena will never find her son.

>> No.28902886

>>28902558
Yellowsid is her son, and I'll keep saying this until it is proven otherwise.

>> No.28902987

>>28902886
Question is : who's the dad?

>> No.28903091
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>>28898385
>gorilla warfare

>> No.28903101

>>28903091
That's basically what Raksi's beastman army is all about.

>> No.28903127

>>28903101
Guerilla gorillas?

>> No.28903172

>>28903101

Does she have a stat block? Would it be difficult to get the Book of Three Circles off of her, one way or another?

>> No.28903395

>>28902987
...The husband she had before she Exalted and had two daughters with as well?

>> No.28903399

>>28903172
Yes, she has. In East compass, I think.

I haven't analysed it, but given how shitty optimised all the raw statblocks are, she's probably a pushover.

>> No.28903814

>>28901834
I'd put them in the far East so they can be terrified at the concept of grass and trees for a while.

Alchemicals from Sova and the like would be used to Southern heat. Alchemicals from Kamak and the like would be used to Northern cold.

>> No.28904329

>>28889513
The pervasive notion that solars can break setting rules by virtue of some automatic narrative license is really dangerous to the world of creation. There needs to be a distinction between the things that people believe "in-setting" to be impossible and those (admittedly relatively few) things that need to remain objectively impossible for the setting to make sense.

Killing the unconquered sun or beating Elloge in a contest of riddles should absolutely be possible, but resurrecting people, turning back time, and breaching autochthon kind of need to remain out of bounds for exalted as written to make sense.

>> No.28904366

>>28903814
That's good for player Alchemicals. NPC aren't much use in the stage of being freaked out by everything.

>> No.28904438

>>28904329
I agree with 2/3 of your limits. I don't see why a story couldn't involve breaching the Seal of Eight Divinities from Creation. It shouldn't be a weekend project or done for laughs, it should be a story focus.

I could see it as a step towards "fixing" infernals or abyssals. Maybe Autobot could help with that Great Curse too.

If the argument is just "First Age guys couldn't do it" then that's silly, First Age isn't the end all of possible actions. And to be honest that was back before anyone on the Autochthon side opened up the seal at all, so it would make sense for it being easier or possible in the Age of Sorrows.

>> No.28904518

>>28904438
I'm against breaking into Autochtonia because first age twilights with centuries of free time and unlimited resources couldn't do it and now you do it at meagre (by elder solar standards) experience and with a box of scraps?

I'd only do "creation guys in autochtonia" by means of them getting sucked in from Autochtonians' own attempts at getting to Creation. Solars' Manse attracted the dimensional breach or Siddies/Lunars investigating anomalous events somewhere - and when the breach opens, it's just a short moment and pulls a piece of landscape with them all inside instead of opening to outside.

>> No.28904542

>>28904329
these things should only remain impossible as long as the things supporting them stand, i.e. the loom of fate

technically none of those things should be impossible, exalts have access to everything the primordials had access to way back then if they try hard enough

instead it should mainly be hard, hard to the point of even an essence 10 solar needing centuries of time and a huge amount of help and/or infrastructure supporting him to achieve it

creation should be breakable, thats inherent in the whole philosophy behind the exalted, but really breaking it such as with these three issues should be the conclusion of a very long tale

>> No.28904656

>>28904518
But the thing is we aren't talking about something that's just a matter of spending X resources. A current age Solar might just have the right experience and angle of attack to puzzle it out. We aren't talking about a mountain that no one ever worked up the strength to lift. We are talking about a ridiculously complex puzzle with no obvious starting point. So one moment of insight, entirely based on luck, could be the key to unraveling it. And even though some Twilights were working on it, it was never a necessity and that kind of narrative focus holds weight in Exalted.

Beyond that, I'm of the opinion, like I said in that post, that it may have been legitimately impenetrable BEFORE people on the other side began opening doors to Creation. Even if they are closing these doors after they open them, its going to be essence flowing in and out, leaving traces, affecting the Loom of Fate and giving clues as to just what the Seal is exactly for modern Exalts.

On that note, I don't think it necessarily needs to be a Solar who opens it. Though the Twilights seem to have a serious obsession with trying to break and dissect anything that resists understanding so the end up at the top of the list of people who might do so.

>> No.28904732

>>28904656

Well...people always forget that Sarlona, the woman who nearly shattered creation to give people magic was actually a Zenith, not a Twilight.

>> No.28904764

>>28904438
Frankly, I don't like people in creation breaking the seal because I see it as the story of the Autochthonians, and frankly, there are plenty of ways to involve Autobot in the issues you mentioned without requiring the heroes to go traipsing past the seal.

>>28904542
Actually, without the loom, Time doesn't exist period, so events just start happening in whatever order, or all at the same "time." Resurrection becomes similarly meaningless because death stops really meaning anything.

Characters can (and sometimes should) strive to do the impossible, but when the outcome of their efforts is the stuff of a long story's conclusion, does it really matter whether or not they could actually achieve their goal? The story has already been told, and that was the important part.

>> No.28904796

>>28904656
I'd almost say that a Journeys would be the best for at least discovering the anomalies. They discover essence gates that seem to be both open and head nowhere. This leads them to try to find the destination

>> No.28904806

>>28904732

>Salina

>>28904764

Is Time not defined by a Shinma?

>> No.28904809

>>28904764
it depends on the story and its themes

and one of the most important themes in exalted is that nothing is impossible

if that is abandoned then exalted stops being exalted

>> No.28904879

>>28904542
>>28904329
The first two of these rules should not be broken in a normal campaign because breaking them opposes one of the main themes of Exalted : "No backsies". If you kill someone, you'll have to live with it. You can't bring them back, and you can't go back. The third one is not part of the "3 Things Exalted Shouldn't Have". The third one should be "It is impossible to take Exaltation away".

Breaching the Seal should be doable, on the other hand. The Solar Deliberative was the be-all end-all of possibility, and neither should you consider it to be that. Doing so means you are basing your limitations on possibilities on uncertain reports about an uncertain time, all of which come from Dreams of the First Age (hint : that book's writing is absolutely fucking terrible, so you really shouldn't do that).

>> No.28904884

>>28904732
Neat, didn't know that. My post was more about generalities, of course there will be unique cases.

>>28904764
That's a fair point, and you're of course free to handle it in your games how you wish, I doubt the devs will go into detail about the Seal since it -is- a large plot point of this sort. I myself feel that if you have players who show interest in messing with Autochthonia, in breaking the seal, that it's kinda crappy to just stonewall them so that NPCs they won't meet can have their story.

But then again if you're dead set on the seal being one way then you could always have some Alchemicals storming in from Autochthonia to figure who the fuck keeps banging on the door (with reality warping essence flux generators firing to the tune to Camptown Races) and continue from there.

Limits of the sort of resurrection and time travel are ones I stick too though because, looking to games like D&D show how little death begins to mean if you allow that sort of thing without truly epic requirements.

>> No.28904976

>>28904879
Resurrection should honestly be the easiest of all to do. Just stop the memories from being wiped from the soul and have it be born again.

>> No.28905010

>>28904976

I wonder if there is a way to shove a ghost inside a living body on a permanent basis. Possession does exist. A little Science of Mutation to make the body right and some possession...bam, budget Resurrection.

>> No.28905092

>>28905010
Unfortunately Ghosts in Exalted aren't quite the same as the people they come from. They are focused on memory, prone to emotional extremes or emotional death and fading way. So while it would "work", it probably won't be what someone who wants their friend back was hoping for.

>> No.28905152

>>28905092
right, so just do >>28904976 instead

>> No.28905177

>>28905092

Well, I did say 'Budget'.

>> No.28905187

>>28904366
True.

I usually tend to think of these things from the perspective of the Alchemicals since they're my favourite splat and I've played more Alchemical games than anything else.

Sorry for being unhelpful.

>> No.28905344

>>28905152
>>28904976
Yeah right. Good flippin' luck with that. Hun (the upper soul, the one that becomes a ghost and passes onto Lethe at death) are not like Exaltations. They don't get wiped by a particular god with a cabinet and an orichalcum handbrush.

Lethe and the Wheel of Reincarnation are not something you can tweak to your liking.


Even if you managed to do so, though, you can't control the Po, and that's where passions and "lower instincts" sit. Your "resurrected" friend would look different, think different, and have different gut feelings and passions. Not much of a resurrection, is it?

>> No.28905346

>>28904656
>Beyond that, I'm of the opinion, like I said in that post, that it may have been legitimately impenetrable BEFORE people on the other side began opening doors to Creation. Even if they are closing these doors after they open them, its going to be essence flowing in and out, leaving traces, affecting the Loom of Fate and giving clues as to just what the Seal is exactly for modern Exalts.
This is already true. Once the Seal of Eight Divinities is opened there's no closing it again. There's no way to get that completely impenetrable barrier back. The only difference is that, by default, the impenetrable barrier has never been opened yet, meaning until that happens it's going to be no easier for modern Creation's Exalted than it was for First Age Creation's Exalted.

>> No.28905401

>>28905010
>I wonder if there is a way to shove a ghost inside a living body on a permanent basis.
Yes. See The Resurrectionists from CoCD: Autochthonia.

Well, their bodies aren't technically "living", but they work well enough for day-to-day purposes.

>> No.28905442

>>28905344
>Lethe and the Wheel of Reincarnation are not something you can tweak to your liking.

Well, you probably can. You just need a bigass ritual and a willingness to risk breaking creation in half in the process.

>> No.28905443

>>28905401
The great thing about them is that they've genuinely convinced themselves they're immortal without any idea as to how ghosts actually work.

>> No.28905479

>>28905442
Saturn's gonna be pretty crossed.

That would be a great premise for a campaign! Although, it still wouldn't allow for Resurrection.

>> No.28905505

What are some good intimacies for a Night caste solar to have when pretending to be Dragonblooded in order to be enrolled at a school for Dynasts on the Blessed Isle?

>> No.28905509

>>28905479
>Although, it still wouldn't allow for Resurrection.

Oh? Why not? It seems like something that someone with enough lack of fucks about there being a creation afterwards could manage to tinker into existence.

>> No.28905545

>>28905509
Only the Hun passes through Lethe. The Po doesn't survive death (even though it *can* become a Hungry Ghost).
See
>>28905344
>Even if you managed to do so, though, you can't control the Po, and that's where passions and "lower instincts" sit. Your "resurrected" friend would look different, think different, and have different gut feelings and passions. Not much of a resurrection, is it?

>> No.28905559

>>28905344
yes it is

they are a different creature but still the same person

in most ways thats even better than true resurrection

>> No.28905560

>>28905505
Get a positive intimacy towards at least one of your fellow schoolmates just so you can be all conflicted and shit when it comes to your dual identity.

I mean, it's hardly optimal, but it sounds fun!

>> No.28905608

>>28905509

Learning, Knowledge, and Self-Improvement. These should be high enough to offset the fact that he's surrounded by people who have been though since birth that he's Anathema. Also, the teachers there will be reinforcing the idea that he's Anathema, so he ought to have enough Temperance to keep his mouth shut.

>> No.28905668

>>28905559
They are not the same person at all. Or do you consider your attractions, appetites, amount of motivation towards a given task, what you like and dislike, and everything that is not a memory or high-intellect aspect of your personality to not actually matter to who you are?

>> No.28905674

>>28889121
>Twilight with Int 1

Forrest Gump. Kind of a doofus at a first glance, but absurdly efficient and successful at the things he learns by rote.

>Dawn with Valor 1

Shinji Ikari. Kind of a wimp at first glance, but when he really gets worked up he murders the fuck out of things by biting them to death if he has to.

>> No.28905694

>>28888818
>tfw when no db MILF gf who is the mother of a red panda lunar incestuous loli

>> No.28905738

>>28905668
yeah, pretty much

the most important things about a person are their ideas, convictions and deep emotions

shaking off all the rest would just be getting rid of old weariness

>> No.28905767

>>28905738
>ideas, convictions and deep emotions
All of these are partly seated in Po, and are bound to change when a new Po gets coupled to the old Hun.

>> No.28905818

>>28905767
...are they ever called po and hun in exalted canon? please stop that

and yeah, sure, they may change

they can even change without the person dying in the first place, that doesnt make them someone else

>> No.28905845

>>28905818
Yeah, they're given those names in canon.

>> No.28905859

>>28905845
where

>> No.28905872

>>28905859
The core book, for one. In the section describing ghosts IIRC.

>> No.28905888

>>28905818
>are they ever called po and hun in exalted canon

Yes, they are. Right in the description of hungry ghosts in the corebook, at that.

"At the end of the third night, the higher soul, or hun, leaves the body, but the lower soul, or po, remains. From then on, the hungry ghost rises as a crazed, ravening monster, killing anyone it comes across and full of hatred for the living."

>> No.28905918

>>28905872
>>28905888
i see, its really odd that i never realized that

or maybe its just been long enough for me to forget

>> No.28906024

>>28905818
>...are they ever called po and hun in exalted canon? please stop that
Well, you just made me doubt, but after verifycation : Yes they are! Please refer to the Black Treaty's lexicon (it was the first thing I checked, I suppose it's normal it came to mind considering we're basically talking Necromancy).


>they can even change without the person dying in the first place, that doesnt make them someone else

That doesn't when the rest of the person doesn't change "much". But consider this :
-It's already really easy to appreciate someone until they start liking or disliking something. "I don't recognize you anymore" is something that gets said in this very day and age, without the need for resurrection to happen.
-Applying your idea, the person born with a un-cleansed Hun would have a different Po, different body, different personality entirely, with some of their high-intellect traits remaining unchanged, and the same memories. Not only would that being look different, they would also *feel* different. It's the same deal as an Exaltation carrying the memories of its First Age owner, gifting a young 17-years old southerner with the memories of a 2000 years old Prince of the Earth, but without the emotionnal connection that should come with it.

If Exaltation without Lytekdoing is job isn't considered Resurrection, you can't claim an Un-cleansed Hun to be, as it carries less than that.

>> No.28906154

>>28906024
the higher soul is much more than just memories and intellect, as you imply with your exaltation analogy

its like youre trying to make it sound that it is completely irrelevant to the person, when if you look at a thinking ghost and a hungry ghost besides on another it becomes perfectly clear which one is the important one personality wise

sure, someone who was "resurrected" like that wouldn't be exactly the same anymore, but they would be much more than an exalt with memories from past exaltations - remember that the exaltation itself is a separate thing from the higher soul itself, and that different higher souls can live lives with the same exaltation

>> No.28906255

>>28906154
I'm sorry if that's how it sounds. English is not my main language, so I might have used some hyperbolic phrasing without realising (also, I might have done it out of habit too, which is, on the other hand, not excusable).

What I'm getting at is that the person you'll end up with isn't the person that left you, and they might not even feel like they are that person (cognitive dissonance comes to mind).

In any case, this debate will soon find a closing. From what I can remember about them, Liminals are supposed to come from attempts at resurrecting the dead.

>> No.28906351

>>28906255
>Liminals are supposed to come from attempts at resurrecting the dead.

Yeah, it's pretty neat sounding. Basically even though actual resurrection is impossible, when someone earnestly and desperately tries to bring someone dead back to life, a creature called the Dark Mother hears that plea and infuses the corpse with a brand new soul entirely.

It could offer some interesting plot hooks. "The brother I put into the grave is not the brother that I dug out of it." It reminds me a little of how the homunculi worked in the first FMA anime.

>> No.28906362

the direction youre going just doesnt make sense to me, like the actual qualities of the higher soul have no place anywhere

the lower soul is where the instincts and base feelings of the body reside, these are very important but are not the driving force behind the personality

the higher soul is where the personality, ideas and convictions and the higher emotions of a person reside

the exaltation spark is where the divine power and the specific nature of the exalt come from

everything thats truly important about a person and your relationship with them is all in the higher soul - sure, for example giving your dead spouse a new body and lower soul you would have to enter a friendship or even a parent-child relationship instead, but the same general love would still be there, and they would still hold to their important convictions

an example from keychain of creation comes to mind, where misho could only see marena as her previous exaltation - but remember, those two are extremely unlikely to share the same higher soul

>> No.28906515

>>28905560
That's definitely a good idea. Have any other suggestions? I already have the character's House, their immediate family, their personal reputation, and so forth down. But this character just has so many intimacies to fill...

>> No.28906588

>>28906362
>the higher soul is where the personality, ideas and convictions and the higher emotions of a person reside

Yes, and as was said before, those are all fueled by the Lower Soul's base instincts. So a different Lower Soul means different base instincts, which in turn affects the higher aspects, ending in cognitive dissonance : You know you used to love eggplants but you can't seem to be able to eat one without gagging. And you admit yourself that the person who was your Wife in previous life could perfectly be reborn and not love you the same way. That in itself, applied to every aspect of her life, makes her a different person, and thus disqualifies your process : it is not actual Resurrection, it's Reincarnation with a lesser wipe instead of a total one.
I think you are applying a blurry definition of Resurrection. Resurrection brings a person back to life as they were. That's what Exalted shouldn't do. It's not a matter of the Setting's Internal Coherence. It's about themes. Suffer the consequences of your actions. No Backsies. If your actions end up causing the death of your loved ones, you'll have to live with it.

>> No.28906662

>>28905505
Hey, it's you again, Hi! Have you read chapter 1 of the DB splatbook yet?

Appart from that : I would advise finding a young dynast Shota, and starting a blushing relation with your new boyfriend.
Yes, that is what I do everytime I play in a Dynast game. Former boyfriends make for great contacts in the Great Houses. Just steer clear of the Cynis.

>> No.28906691

>>28906662
Right, fucking is definitely a good angle... Any others? I'm only a little more than a third of the way through my intimacies so far.

>> No.28906728

>>28906588
i said at the start that it wasnt actual resurrection, i claimed that it seemed even better, remember

your eggplant example is silly - are you really claiming that liking eggplants is in any way a function of the higher soul? it would obviously just be a change in the lower soul - and the fact whether i like eggplants or not wouldnt ever change who i love or what i believe in

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>>28906728
Then our debate is closed! I'm fine with that result.

Now to find a way to break the Wheel of Reincarnation without attracting the ire of Saturn...

>> No.28906868

>Actually here, I'll transcribe one of the spells I wrote over the weekend into dog language.

><3>Woof bark bark Woof Woof
>Cost: 20woof, 2bark
>Keywords: Woof
>Duration: Woof

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>Bark woof bark woof Woof Woof puppies bark bark woof bark bark Woof Woof puppies, bark woof bark bark woof woof. Bark bark woof woof woof (Intelligence + Occult) woof woof bark woof woof bark woof woof bark woof, bark bark woof woof woof woof, bark woof bark woof bark woof bark woof, bark woof woof bark bark woof bark woof.
>The Demented One
>Source : http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/25868-exalted-3rd-timetables?p=31260#post31260

Baseless speculation GO!

>> No.28906893

>>28906868
i speculate that this is something really fucking stupid

>> No.28906924

>>28906868
>Keywords: Woof
>Charms didn't have Keywords in 2nd Edition
>mfw actual spoiler

And a pretty good one too, as long as Keywords are managed in a saner manner than we're used to.

>> No.28906930

>>28906868
>puppies

I've never heard a dog say "puppies" before. It's probably a necromancy spell where you sacrifice puppies.

>> No.28906934

>>28906868
What a tool.

>> No.28906976

>>28906934

The only non-tool writers left the team because the rest were too insufferable

>> No.28906996

>>28906934
>wow writers having fun? they suck so hard
Don't cut yourself on that edge, dude.

>> No.28907022

>>28906996
xD

>> No.28907143

>>28906976

Your tears are delicious.

>> No.28907287

>Exalted General. Jokes and Happyness Not Welcome.

>> No.28907309

>>28904879
>(hint : that book's writing is absolutely fucking terrible, so you really shouldn't do that)
The errata'd rerelease is even worse.

>> No.28907346

>>28907287
i welcome jokes when the person who makes them attempts to be funny

>> No.28907364
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>>28907309
Errata doesn't touch on fluff. I was talking about the fluff. Don't try to turn this into yet another "Exalted Ruined Forever" shitfest, thank you!

>> No.28907514

>>28907309

One of my biggest gripes with Exalted is that the books often resemble grade school group writing projects where a different person would write each paragraph.

Any time an interesting character/aspect/setting gets introduced, a timer starts counting down to the moment where another author with issues will completely fuck it up.

>> No.28907604

>>28907364
> Hating on even the fluff of DotFA
I don't think I'm the one looking for things to hate.

>> No.28907677

The 2.5 errata was more or less other people's house rules that have been floating around for years, tweaked and rewritten to fit their (and the fandom's) inane biases. Their track record across previous books (Alchemicals especially) and Ink Monkeys articles of writing really either really bland garbage, really bland broken garbage, or hyper specific garbage was mostly Holden and Hatewheel's work. Again, all of it catering to the paradoxical fixations of their fandom, and most of it incredibly uninspired mechanically speaking. Anything noteworthy was the last vestiges of Neph's work, such as Thousand Correct Actions and Broken Winged Crane. This does not set a good precedent for their lead writers assigned to mechanics.
Momentum is, thus far, looking like a gimmicky system for recharging what are the equivalent of Encounter/Daily powers from 4e (see: Tyrant Lizard stat block.) The social system sounds very strongly like its going to be the Doors one from nwod. Chances are their mass combat fixes will be Swarms from nwod, if not an 'adaptation' of Hordes and Squad rules from Dark Heresy and Deathwatch.

>> No.28907691

>>28907143

What tears?

I'm just pointing out that one of the freelancers left because the devs would not stop being misogynist. Holden got banned from SA for making tasteless rape jokes; what sort of shitty humor do you expect from them?

>> No.28907745

>>28907691

>Getting banned from SA

You say that as if it's a difficult thing to do there.

>> No.28907777
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28907777

Please ignore the obvious trolling.

>> No.28907838

>>28907777

Everything the Ink Monkey's made is terrible and it's best for groups to simply ignore their suggestions.

Am I trolling yet?

>> No.28907995

>>28907745

Hey, a pedophile managed to become a mod there and hide his crimes for years despite being undone by something as simple as googling his name.

Holden couldn't hide his shitty behavior for even a single year.

>> No.28908012

>>28907677
>Momentum is, thus far, looking like a gimmicky system for recharging what are the equivalent of Encounter/Daily powers from 4e (see: Tyrant Lizard stat block.)
To me, it sounds like spending five rounds maneuvering on your opponent in FATE in order to hit him with a +15 attack in a system that only has like five damage boxes on its wounds track.

>> No.28908044

>>28907995
It's more that Something Awful has been recently infested by screaming harpies from Tumblr that especially plague the Exalted thread.

>> No.28908175

>>28908012
I think it's way too soon to pass judgement on the combat system. We should at least wait to read the bloody thing beforehand.

>> No.28908296

>>28908175
This. We've only seen the fucking shadow of the thing.

>> No.28908341

>>28908175
I absolutely agree with this. So far it sounds like it could be almost anything at all.

>> No.28908364

>>28908175
>>28908296
>>28908341

But what else are we going to unreasonably bitch about?

>> No.28908387

>>28908175
> You're not allowed to use the previews for a pre-release view.

>> No.28908406

>>28908364
Known fluff changes, perhaps. We have a much clearer picture of those.

>> No.28908426

>>28908364
... Those new pathfinder classes?

Lack of Red Panda DB Waifus?


>>28908387
Pfft, that implies we actually have a proper look, they're holding it close to the chest well enough.

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>>28908406

Oh right, yeah, of course. So, Lunars have their own Loom now. What a whole load of shit, amirite?

>>28908426

>Red Panda DB

Can Beastmen even be DBs?

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>>28908484
>Oh right, yeah, of course. So, Lunars have their own Loom now. What a whole load of shit, amirite?
Not going to lie, that does sound like it will be pretty big bullshit. I'm sure it will be important for the Getimian Exalts, or whatever they're called, though.

>> No.28908549

>>28908364
Spells written in Dog Language.


Obviously the new team is now cattering to the Animal audience, and abandonning their actual fanbase!

>> No.28908554

>>28908406
You get the same "we have to see the finished product" answer when you mention how stupid all the fluff changes sound as well.

>> No.28908616

>>28908175

Demon: The Descent released the whole book free on google+, minus art and type-setting, in their kickstarter so fans could pick it apart and improve it.

Exalted's hasn't leaked much of anything, even though their kickstarter ended months ago, not 3 days ago.

Combined with the weak pedigree of the devs, it isn't encouraging.

>> No.28908625

>>28908554
What fluff changes do you think are stupid, that we know enough about to pass such judgement?

>> No.28908702

>>28908406
See here: >>28908625

>> No.28908912

>>28908554
I've liked them so far, let's get some actual examples on the table to discuss.

Big ones seem to be a bigger Lunar Sidereal animosity, new types of Exalts and some increasing of area on the map.

I like the Lunar stuff because, even as a Solar/Alchemical fan, I thought it was dumb that the Lunars had their heads firmly up their own asses for three thousand years. And that small, jury-rigged loom of fate is one cool way they manage that.

As far as I'm concerned all the new Exalt types sound absolutely fantastic, even the box full of one-off exalts. Though I think the two new specific example types are even cooler sounding.

And you know, more map space, bigger scope, I'm down.

>> No.28909007

>>28908912
> Liking the fact that sidereals are even more hated by the setting than in 2e and that lunars have become completely retarded in their interactions with Heaven
> Not realizing that Creation was ALREADY like five times too big.
Dude, there are some city states that are like the size of Texas, and their close neighbours are approximately where Alaska is in relation to Texas.

>> No.28909140

>>28909007
Sidereals aren't more hated than in 2nd Ed. They are now hated by a different group of people in a way that is actually coherent (ie by Lunars who generally oppose them for the Usurpation and ruling Creation in the shadow, instead of the Gods hating those Exalts they work with on a daily basis).

The map being bigger might indeed prove to be a problem... Or it might work perfectly well, depending on how they modify Creation's Geography, where the known cities are placed, and how they interact with each-other as well as the new places.

>> No.28909265

>>28909007

Sidereal / Lunar cold war owns. It's a great fan-canon thing and I'm glad to see the devs stealing it.

Getimans are pretty dumb so far, nothing there that couldn't be done with Sidereals. Exigents fuck up the history of Creation a little if they exist in any serious numbers, and they are painfully "special snowflake Exalted". I still kind of like them despite that. I think Getimans and Exigents should have been folded together... maybe have a group of Black-Market Exigents as the Al Qaeda to Heaven's CIA.

>> No.28909270

>>28909140
At least the gods didn't regularly murder the sidereals, even the ones who were trying to help them, and the gods nuking the Imperial City didn't happen for reasons other than "they don't have a nuke".

> Or it might work perfectly well, depending on how they modify Creation's Geography, where the known cities are placed, and how they interact with each-other as well as the new places.
Oh, good, squishing Creation's geography into an even tinier percentage of the map, and creating even MORE unused space. Because the East was really at a premium for unused space.

>> No.28909357

>>28909007
Here we go, some real crap, not this bullshit of eyeballing people for refusing to demonize stuff that isn't even known!

And yes, I prefer Lunars being more antagonistic to them being completely worthless until their Exes come back to creation. Meanwhile Sidereals have always had the hard job of supporting the status quo and trying to change things the "right" way. Someone needs to hold that position and they have the experience.

As for the size, those giant city-states were being portrayed as too singular while being within a month's travel by foot to another insanely large city. The bigger map will (theoretically) imply more gradual cultural shifts in the towns leading to a new country.

>> No.28909364

>>28909270
>>28909265

So, do you think the Silver Faction will still exist?

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>>28907995
See, the other members of the staff were *friends* with the convicted child molestor. To the point where they'd go cosplaying at Star Trek conventions together. There's the child molester dressed up as Picard with another member of the SA staff dressed up as Riker.

Remember the time that Loosechanj made rape threats to women posters and wrote a lot of racist shit on the Book Barn? Still not banned, still allowed to moderate their forums.

Remember the time that Louisgod told a woman to send him naked pictures of herself or else he'd ban her? Still not banned, still allowed to moderate their forums.

Remember the time that Axemaniac drew rape and torture pornography of himself using women as toilets in the Duke Nukem thread? Still not banned, still allowed to moderate the forums.

SA is a fucking shithole that was willing to protect a pedophile for nearly a decade (they said he was on a trip to Africa lol).

Did you know that Gail Simone and Warren Ellis are both banned from the SomethingAwful forums, but Louisgod is allowed to ban people for calling him out on trying to coerce naked pictures from lady-goons?

What I'm trying to say is that "B-b-but the dev was banned really doesn't fucking impress me. SA is a god-damn shithole."

>> No.28909388

>>28909364
>Silver Faction
>Faction

Listen, five dudes does not a faction make.

>> No.28909415

>>28909388
Fuck that, two sids talking to each other about their next evil plan is a faction unto itself.

>> No.28909424

>>28909381

Thanks for making my point for me?

>> No.28909433

>>28909388

Three dudes, a shit ton of gods, and the entire Bureau of Nature is a pretty sizable force. Especially when it's combined with the Loom of Fate and the entire Silver Pact.

>> No.28909478

>>28909388
>>28909364
Didn't we already have that discussion?

And fankly, in a group of 100 people, 5 people are enough to make a faction.

>> No.28909512

>>28909265
>Exigents fuck up the history of Creation a little if they exist in any serious numbers

Explain thoroughly how, keeping in mind this is a new edition not beholden to previous interpretations of the setting history.

>> No.28909521

>>28909478
Enough to make a cabal, perhaps, but a faction? That's barely enough people to make two factions. There's Gold Faction, Bronze Faction, and then a bunch of independents with less-mainstream political agendas and the occasional circlejerking cabal.

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>>28906868

>> No.28909547

>>28909357
> them being completely worthless until their exes come back to Creation
Right, I must have missed the edition where that happened. Maybe this next one will be it.

>>28909364
They've said it won't, and I can't blame the sids, since the lunars seem to automatically limit break and tear sidereals apart the second they find out what they are. That's the only explanation for it.

Argue all you want whether or not the Jade Prison was needed or not, but they definitely are all unified in the fact there needs to be a Moonsilver one. Because all Lunars get a kill on sight instinct along with their Tell, apparently.

>> No.28909571

>>28909424
The point you were trying to make was that the devs weren't banned for being mysoginists because the rest of the SA staff tend to be borderline sex offenders themselves?

Hey, and remember the time that moderate Senior Woodchuck would confess to sniffing women's hair in the subway, and this would arouse him sexually?

>> No.28909578

>>28909512
Except for when they want to parade it around saying how much its going back to how 1e was like.

>> No.28909621

>>28909547
>They've said it won't
Really? That's odd, since there's a one-person faction that supports the neverborn. Doesn't seem too unlikely for a couple of dudes to be anti-establishment hipsters and be pro-lunar.

>> No.28909638

>>28909424
>>28909571

The main reason the devs were banned was because some of the writers for Exalted are moderators on rpg.net. And there was a ton of bad blood as a result because a lot of SA superposters disliked them from way before they regged on SA.

>> No.28909676

>>28909638

Really? I thought only Holden really got banned, and he even admitted that he was being a shithead on that forum.

>> No.28909706

>>28909638

This isn't true it all. Go look at the thread, Holden got stupidly defensive during the Abyssals PDF preview and made several rape jokes to "lighten the mood" or something. It's all there.

>> No.28909743

>>28909621

>Hipster Sidereals

"We removed all evidence of our existence from Creation, you've probably never heard of us."

"Celestial Martial Arts? Psh. We have our own tier, that you've probably never even heard of."

"Sidereal Martial Arts when Solars didn't know any, now it's too main stream."

>> No.28909744

>>28909706
I'm not surprised he got defensive, considering that people were foaming at the mouth about RAPE CULTURE and boycotting Exalted.

>> No.28909754

>>28909578
Making the feel of the setting closer to that of 1e is not mutually exclusive with rewriting portions of the setting so that it can support the Exigents. Try again.

>> No.28909755

>>28909571

The point is that the SA staff allows all sorts of skeevy shit because they are scum. Yet Holden couldn't even pass that incredibly low bar. You proved my point, even complete with examples, it was quite convenient.

>> No.28909776

>>28909547
Eh, call it hyperbole, but the official fluff for Lunars amounts to "A bunch of weirdos hang out on the edge of Creation performing "Social Experiments" and scrapping most of those."

A handful of Lunars are probably mentioned doing things but the Lunars don't even have the excuse of being charged with running Fate like Sids do.

Compare them to the DB who ran an empire into the ground fairly gloriously at least.

Disclimer:Lunars are not my favorite Exalts to begin with, so I likely forget something they do, but I know I'm not the only one who has felt that they didn't do much during the Solar Hiatus.

>> No.28909782

>>28909676
I do know that the other devs stopped posting there as a result because the only thing would come from it was a grand goon dogpile.

It happens pretty often when somebody relatively well known or e-famous regs on SA. There's always a big disconnect between them and the userbase, and eventually they'll get banned or driven off. Like, Kate Beaton was an SA member, up until she received a lot of rape threats from the userbase.

>> No.28909795

>>28909755
The SA staff allows all sorts of skeevy shit... in SA staff. They're butt-buddies. Clique mentality. To non-SA staff, they will ban for basically nothing and enforce rules randomly.

>> No.28909850

>>28909755
He couldn't pass that low bar because they didn't actually care about anything he had to say, they wanted to drum up a lot of fake outrage and then pat themselves on the back for being progressive.

There was a lot of bad blood between some SA posters and the devs beforehand. One of the superposters there used to write for Exalted during 1E and never really got over being shitcanned.

>> No.28909897

>>28909850

Didn't they cherry pick the worst parts of Exalted to review? Didn't they also, give a much more savoury review of FATAL?

>> No.28909911

>>28909795
They banned Gail Simone for complaining that the paywall was stupid and because she didn't want to put Something Awful references in her comics.

>> No.28909931

>>28909578
I'm faily sure they're talking about the general "swords and sandals" feel of early 1st Ed as opposed to 2nd Ed where the TTGL aspects were way more proeminent.

>> No.28909936

>>28909911
Lowtax banned a lot of people for saying they didn't read the front page, only went to the forums

>> No.28909970

>>28909897
Yeah, and yeah. Frankly I'd much rather talk about Exalted, though. I still find it pretty fucking bizarre that only a couple of months after making that review and screaming how fictional rape is intolerable, people from Something Sensitive called them out on being friends with a convicted child molester.

>> No.28909977

>>28909936

I honestly don't find Lowtax funny at all. A very, very few things I actually had a chuckle from him. His userbase cranks out funnier stuff.

>> No.28910003

>>28909621
At least the neverborn isn't actively hunting him down for some petty revenge between two people who aren't even them.

Being pro-lunar is being pro eaten by wolves.

>>28909744
It was a bad idea to put such the Lover in the preview.

>>28909754
And the Titanic sized boatload of other things that go along with rewriting the portions of the setting so that it can support the Exigents?

>>28909776
The only people who DID do anything during the Solar Hiatus were the DBs; by that logic.

>> No.28910005

>>28909931
I'd feel better about that if they actually went all the fucking way with it and stripped out the Bleach shit and other general weeabooness. If they want something based off of pulp fantasy, don't dilute the fucking mix with inferior material.

>> No.28910045

>>28910003
>And the Titanic sized boatload of other things that go along with rewriting the portions of the setting so that it can support the Exigents?

Such as?

>> No.28910065

>>28910003
>It was a bad idea to put such the Lover in the preview.

Not disagreeing, but the reaction to it was absurd and I hope they ignored everything everyone had to say.

>> No.28910093

>>28909706
Jokes in bad taste are ban worthy, sniffing women's hair in subways is hilarious comedy fun~

>> No.28910104

>>28909970

Some people thrive on drama and scandals.

>>28910005

I'd also rather see more stuff in line with The Odyssey or Journey to the West.

>> No.28910106

>>28909931
Then writing Gunstar Autocthonia was a bad warmup. They were the ones who put half that shit in there to begin with. Wonders of the Lost Age doesn't mean commonplace artifacts of the second age. The Solar fanboy Do The Impossible mentality, which is basically TTGL summed up, is the opposite of the primary theme of Exalted.

TTGL is about realizing the power was inside you all the time and kicking reason and responsibility to the curb while pursuing your greatness. Exalted is about the responsibilities and consequences of being gifted divine power.

>>28910005
They literally wrote Solar Resistance charms to emulate the soak of Bleach characters. And evocations don't look to be too promising, if you want the Bleach taken out.

>> No.28910150

>>28910065
I was sympathetic at first but yeah, even I'm fucking sick of it. The charms *do* have a hell of a lot more utility than just "sex 'em up."

>> No.28910180

>>28910106
>They literally wrote Solar Resistance charms to emulate the soak of Bleach characters. And evocations don't look to be too promising, if you want the Bleach taken out.

I'm aware, that's specifically what I'm bitching about.

>> No.28910194

>>28910150
That, and if you hate the idea of A) sex or B) bad people in your tabletop games, Exalted is the absolute worst system to pursue.

>> No.28910196

>>28910106
Shards was actually supposed to be the capstone for gonzo shit as they ended 2E, before they got back to Swords and Sandals for 3E, in their own words.

Who the fuck cares anyways, Gunstar was awesome.

>> No.28910209

>>28909795
>they will ban for basically nothing
They ban for nothing because it's a major revenue source. They don't give a fuck if you get banned and immediately make a new account because you have to give them money every time.

>> No.28910221

>>28910106
>>28910180
Was the resistance charms in 2E based on bleach, or is there some 3E preview of resistance charms that I have yet to see? Because if there is, I would very much like to see.

>> No.28910225

>>28910003
The Sids continued to run Heaven, it wasn't... active, but it has more point than breeding two city-states and then killing them both off, adding a note to your stone tablet journal, "fish people do not thrive in deserts."

Besides we have things like Sidereals planting agents in Deathlord circles, manipulating said DB empire and so on.

Thus me being very happy that they now have something to do, even if it becomes a largely cold war, it feels like they're doing something to me. Especially since it feels of some small vengeance against the Sids for the Usurpation, something I felt should have been bigger for most Lunars.

>> No.28910233

>>28910209
Pretty much.

>> No.28910239

>>28910106
>TTGL is about realizing the power was inside you all the time and kicking reason and responsibility to the curb while pursuing your greatness. Exalted is about the responsibilities and consequences of being gifted divine power.

Close. TTGL's theme as you state here is what most Solars end up DOING with their power, save for it being given instead of always having been there--barring a few weird-ass interpretations of Exaltation. It's just that unlike in TTGL, Exalted doesn't shy away from showing the real human cost of people doing that.

>> No.28910265

>>28909512

Well yes, it IS going to be a new setting history. That's my point: if Exigents are going to be what we've been told, the setting HAS to change.

Before 3E within Creation the name 'Exalted' is synonymous with the Dragon-Blooded. The very idea that other gods might have Chosen men and women is verboten; no, that power is stolen from the gods, hence the term Anathema. Yet we've been told Exigents can play nice with Dragon-Blooded and aren't Anathema; how can you have Exalted who are not of the Dragons under the rubric of the Immaculate Order?

The common handwave is "they'll pretend to be God-Blooded", but we've already seen that the mechanics of Exigence are famous in Creation. Great Forks is now the central hub for a pilgrimage of champions and heroes seeking to be Chosen by the gods, after all.

So yeah, Exigents as they are don't fit in Creation as it is. The very meaning of 'Exalted' as people in-Creation use it is going to be different (hilariously, changed into being correct!), as we can see from the Great Forks teaser in the dev video. People will know that there are other Exalted, not just DB vs Demon Yozi Kings.

How they go about resolving that is certainly going to be interesting. I'm a fan of the Great Forks plot hook, actually, don't get me wrong. It made me more excited for that city than 1e or 2e ever did.

>> No.28910305

>>28910265
I do like the idea of black market Exigent exaltations. Just, the shards passing from rich buyer to rich buyer until it finally finds a greedy warlord with JUST enough heroism to be its bearer.

>> No.28910379

>>28910239
Yeah, this. Exalts in general acting like TTGL heroes in a setting that doesn't let that bullshit fly without consequences is a huge part of the reason Creation's history is largely atrocity after atrocity.

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>>28910379
Hell, it even comes through in the joke material. Remember that bit in Scroll of Swallowed Darkness?

>Dude falls in love with a mountain
>"I DON'T CARE IF SHE'S STONE AND ICE, IMMA FUCK DAT MOUNTAIN"
>creates perverted artifact
>fucks dat mountain
>volcanic eruption
>thousands die horribly
>but at least you came

>> No.28910535

>>28910305

Yeah, I like Exigents too. I'm less a fan of how they (might) change the Immaculate Order doctrine and the general outlook of people towards Exalted in general.

>> No.28910548

>>28910221
Its an Ink Monkey article. There's a whole tree of them.

> Before 3E within Creation the name 'Exalted' is synonymous with the Dragon-Blooded. The very idea that other gods might have Chosen men and women is verboten; no, that power is stolen from the gods, hence the term Anathema. Yet we've been told Exigents can play nice with Dragon-Blooded and aren't Anathema; how can you have Exalted who are not of the Dragons under the rubric of the Immaculate Order?
... Wow, I never even realized that. You... you're absolutely correct.

> "they'll pretend to be God-Blooded"
The Immaculate Order takes a pretty negative view on godblooded as well.

>>28910379
Tell that to the Solar love that went on in the closing days of 2e.

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>>28910530
Akibaranger is the best.

Speaking of Tokusatsu, say I want to make a solar that would be as much like Kamen Rider as possible. How would I go about this?

>> No.28910616

>>28910548
>Tell that to the Solar love that went on in the closing days of 2e.

Meh, Solarfags aren't ever going to learn, screw them.

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>>28910580

Make Twilight Rider, obviously.

>> No.28910655

>>28910379
I've seen it happen in my game before. But then I was playing the only character who believed the cute Abyssal when she said she couldn't get close to others. He nodded, accepting her explanation and intended to solve the problem... when the 8 previous problems in front of him were solved.

Other two proceed to get 80% of the population of the town we were based in killed by refusing to listen to her...

But at least I got and saved my DB Waifu.

>> No.28910656

>>28910580
Make him an Abyssal or an Infernal instead. Riders almost always get their power from a source related to the antagonists of their stories, remember.

>> No.28910684
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>>28910535
The potential changes to the Immaculate Order pale in comparison to the potential of something like Exigent's Bizarre Adventure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zVt77Cyej0

>> No.28910699

>>28910638
I'm kind of hoping Armor Evocations will allow for some things that are similar to Rider powers. Like Kamen Rider Blade Jack Form's wings or OOO TaJaDor's peacock tail fireball attack.

>> No.28910732

Sooo, what's the story on Exalted 3.0?

>> No.28910751

>>28910732
It'll be finished when it is finished. Which is expected to be when it is finished.

>> No.28910755

>>28910732
Fuck, where do we even begin?

This might help: http://avatarcomic.net/ExaltedWiki/mediawiki-1.19.1/index.php?title=Exalted_3E:_What_We_Know

>> No.28910778

>>28910751
Most recently they said Q1 2014. I also remember that they needed only a few more months, and editing has already started on the completed chapters.

>> No.28910792

I spent $180 on the Deluxe Edition kickstarter. Honestly? Don't regret it.

>> No.28910795

>>28910265
Man I would love to live in Great Forks.

Fucking Festival Food all day everyday.

>> No.28910801

>>28910699
Don't hold your breath for that. That kinda cool stuff is going right out the window.

>> No.28910837

>>28910795
It's pretty much New Orleans and Classical Greece, right?

>> No.28910851

>>28910801
What're you expecting then, with regard to armor evocations?

>>28910778
Yeah, I think they got a bunch of stuff in to editing recently.

>> No.28910876

>>28910837
And a bit of Kyoto.

>> No.28910881

>>28910792
Are you Book+Screen guy?
I raise my empty wallet and promess of the same+a map in salute!

>> No.28910896

If you did have to live in Creation as a mortal, where would you choose?

For me, the answer would almost always be the Blessed Isle.

>> No.28910914

>>28910896
You'd be an idiot to want to live anywhere else.

>> No.28910921

>>28910792
I pledged that amount too. Wasn't quite crazy enough to go for the golden book.

>> No.28910948

>>28910914
The East seems pretty okay?

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>>28910837
>>28910876
Yes. I'm fairly sure you would be able to survive without actually cooking anything for yourself in that city, provided you have the coin to pay for cheap festival food.

>mfw next campaign will feature a Khajiit Foodstand merchant.

>> No.28910991

>>28910948
If you like getting eaten by Arczeckhi cannibals or enslaved by Guildsmen, maybe.

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>>28910699

I've never seen Kamen Rider, but let me expand on my Twilight Rider Suggestion.

Aegis Inset Amulets: Allows easier attunement to armour.

Power Armour: Self Explanatory.

Skin Mount Amulet: When combined with a Hearth-stone, it gives you a higher mote capacity and also a glowing Iron Man chest thing.

This can be achieved as a mortal.

Wings of the Raptor: You wanted wings. Buy Essence Gliders if you're cheap.

Fiery Solar Cannon: Fireballs? No, Miniature Suns. Just Fluff in the peacock tails.

You have everything you need right there in Wonder of the Lost Age. Look at the Transport
section more goodies, like a Daiklave that tranforms into a hoverboard.
>>28910778

Remind me which charm sets they've completed.

>> No.28911032

>>28910896

If it's the second age and I know I'm not likely to exalt as a Celestial, yeah, I'd go with that.

If it's the pre-Usurpation First Age, I'd still go with that, unless the setting's run by one of the "Solars are always batshit abusive" authors.

>> No.28911060

>>28911019
I can't say for sure. I know that all the combat charms are done because they're playtesting the combat system (and only the combat system) with groups they know. I'm fucking nobody, so I can't tell you how that's going.

They've finished all the MA charms, and sorcery is partially done.

>> No.28911098

>>28911019
>Fiery Solar Cannon: Fireballs? No, Miniature Suns. Just Fluff in the peacock tails.

Well, if you've seen OOO? It doesn't really work out that well--they're not cannons, they're energy projections of a sort. A better adaptation of a Fiery Solar Cannon would be Kamen Rider Kabuto's Perfect Zecter in shooting mode.

Not to mention I'm expecting much of the techy artifacts you're citing there to vanish in 3e.

>> No.28911128

>>28898954
The main thing is I'm pretty sure they'd be restricted to anal, at least on the sea, since as a Tia she can't admit her feminity without pissing off the jealous bitch that is the ocean.

>> No.28911138

>>28911098
Yeah, but who knows when 3E is coming out and in the meantime I want to Henshin.

>> No.28911196

>>28911098

Like I said, I haven't seen any of them. And like I said, don't fluff it as a cannon. If they're energy projections, then so id the FSC.

Also, Arms of the chosen might have some interesting stuff. If not, just port everything in.

>> No.28911227

>>28910881
I was only in for the book but I simply couldn't resist.

>> No.28911233

>>28911196
Oh, pff, I completely missed that fucking line. Forgive me, I suck cocks.

>> No.28911243

>>28910896
>>28910914
I'd be slightly worried about a completely insane Solar deciding the Blessed Isle needed to burn to ashes, but yeah it's a good deal other than that slim chance.

(I've found myself with characters who were, somewhat sadly, only a few bad events away from that feeling, And one of them had access to the kind of items that would have made it easy.)

>Lorcurr Holden
Captcha, you're almost in on the conversation, but you're drunk.

>> No.28911312

>>28911138
I always got the rapid self-armoring charms when I could, and comboed them up to henshin with. Kinda hoping they're still in 3e; it'll be even easier since you no longer need Willpower to activate more than one Charm.

>> No.28911372

>>28911243

The Solars who do that are usually young and get shot down, though. Like the guy who M-R-L- sent Arrow after.

>> No.28911382

>>28911312
From the actual charms we've seen thus far, I'm pretty sure whatever they make will be fun. I like how Sail does more than just make you Really Good at Boat, and instead makes you into Sinbad.

>> No.28911385

Q: 2nd Edition is still left broken. (Daredevil)
A: 2nd edition is unfixable, dude. It's why I begged Rich Thomas to get us the third edition we needed, back at the Grand Masquerade. I was already sick to death of slogging through four years of pre-existing mistakes and bad design decisions and the amount of work necessary to fix it all was actually greater than the work necessary to just do a new edition. And I had already done more errata work than was reasonable or sane. (Holden)

This alone makes me pretty confident in 3e. I'm sure it will have flaws as will anything, but they know and own up to the mistakes of their predecessors.

>> No.28911415

>>28911385
I wish they got around to errataing Lunars before they started on 3E, though.

>> No.28911425

>>28911385
>but they know and own up to the mistakes of their predecessors.

It's their OWN mistakes they refuse to own up to.

>> No.28911441

>>28911128
Nope, not at all. They're just sterile, as far as the biological changes go.

>> No.28911446

>>28911385

Q: In short, while a new edition might be something that not everyone can get into, I think that it beats having the game die flatout. Which was pretty much assured. (Aranis)
A: 2e wasn't anywhere close to dead when we pulled the plug on it-- quite the opposite, it was selling like hotcakes. And we could have certainly run at least another couple of years of supplements out of it without straining for ideas. We ended it and moved to 3e because we wanted to actually enjoy producing material again, without having to constantly errata other people's work or retcon dumb stuff or reach around our elbows to make the combat engine kinda sorta work. (Holden)

>> No.28911489

>>28911385
But not their own mistakes. And so many of the mistakes of 2e are theirs.

>> No.28911497

>>28911415
I'm pretty sure there won't be any rules for playing as a Lunar in 3e when it releases, which makes me sad.

>>28911425
Such as?

>> No.28911537

>>28911497
Somebody mentioned a major one above--the developers love to rant about the "TTGL" feel that infected 2e badly in its latter stages, while conveniently leaving out the fact that they were the ones who made the fucking game like that with the shit they were writing for 2e.

>> No.28911539

>>28910548

Yeah, most people don't think about the consequences of the new stuff, hence angry yelling at me for saying simple, obvious things like "Exigents require rewriting lots of basic assumptions about Creation's societies".

I'm not saying that is bad, mind you because this guy here >>28910684 is totally fucking right. New Great Forks is now something better than poor man's Pangu too.

>> No.28911582

>>28911446
>Q: In short, while a new edition might be something that not everyone can get into, I think that it beats having the game die flatout. Which was pretty much assured. (Aranis)
I can't even talk about the system I like on /tg/ without someone bringing up the new one I don't. I'd rather the game died in a form I'd like (since a game being out of print doesn't mean I can't play it) than to continue on in one I hate and having to work around the new community of the edition I don't like.
We can't even talk about 2e in these threads without 3e's stupidest parts rearing their head.

>>28911497
Everything bad in the second half, more or less? Dude, they made DotFA's solar charms EVEN MORE BROKEN. That doesn't inspire confidence.

>> No.28911601

>>28911537
I'm new. What's TTGL?

>> No.28911619

>>28911539
There are no consequences of the new stuff, it's a completely fresh start and a completely new goddamn history. 3e is not in any way beholden to maintaining anything but the broadest strokes of the previously-used history of the setting. So whatever needs to be changed, will be changed. It's not fucking with the existing history, it's making a completely NEW history.

>> No.28911643

>>28911601
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

>> No.28911650

>>28911601
An anime called Tengen Toppa Gurrenn Lagann, oriented around people being really over the top and doing impossible things. Which fit pretty well with Exalted.

>> No.28911665

>>28911601
Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann

Mecha Anime made of ridiculous and hyperbole, part homage and part hyperbole. The robots were fueled by manliness and awesome.

It's a pretty good anime, but not quite fitting for a Pulp Fantasy setting.

>> No.28911670

>>28911537
A LOT of the stuff they're decrying is stuff they did themselves. Like absolutely everything in the Infernals preview. Maybe Infernals wouldn't seem so important to the setting if half your homebrew article wasn't making them ridiculously powerful.
Yozi as Charms? Theirs.

>>28911619
>3e is not in any way beholden to maintaining anything but the broadest strokes of the previously-used history of the setting
And they're failing at even that. The history might be completely new... but the game is still a 3e. The list of changes to the fluff shouldn't be fives times the list of things that aren't being changed. Why should I even play 3e if it doesn't resemble either edition of Exalted I liked?

>> No.28911672

>>28911582
>We can't even talk about 2e in these threads without 3e's stupidest parts rearing their head.

You have no basis to make such a statement because you know nothing more than the shadow of the thing. Shut the fuck up.

>> No.28911685

>>28911489

The devs worst excesses were giving the vocal elements of Exalted's fanbase what they wanted. Magitech sunbattleships, Bleach charms, stupid amounts of Infernal shit, and more and more Martial Arts styles.

Their vision statement for 3e is like a laundry list of "exactly what I want in Exalted", however. The problem is they lack any track record for writing "old school Exalted", the pulpy swords & sandals-esque Creation as it was when I first bought the 1e hardbacks. So we can only judge them by their shitty Daystar and Cobra Style antics and Shards crap.

Maybe they'll pull it off, hard to know until they show us the book.

>> No.28911693

>>28911582
>Everything bad in the second half, more or less? Dude, they made DotFA's solar charms EVEN MORE BROKEN. That doesn't inspire confidence.

No! No way. Uh uh, calling bullshit. Pre-eratta DoTFA had shit like Zeal (attacks that ignore even perfect defenses) and that one melee charm that let you ignore any non-perfect attack. Those were terrible.

>> No.28911695

>>28911643
Ah, yes, Gurren Lagann. Just didn't recognize the acronym. I was never particularly into it but have seen people make references to it w/r/t Exalted. Hope they do cut it out of 3e as much as possible.

>> No.28911703

>>28911670
>Why should I even play 3e if it doesn't resemble either edition of Exalted I liked?

Then play the edition you did like, for whatever asinine reason you did.

>> No.28911725

>>28911693
Re-read the new version of Golden Destruction Cut. Compare it to the old version. Hang your head in fucking shame.

>> No.28911769

>>28911725
I'm not doubting you, but would it be too much trouble to repost the pre-erratta and post-errata versions for me? I actually went in for a hard copy of DotFA that I left at home, so I don't have the pre-eratta version with me.

>> No.28911825

>>28911769
It went from a charm that is basically a variation on straight damage adding a la Fire and Stones Strike to a Charm that turns Hungry Tiger Technique into pure insanity at high Essence, making the idea of the Usurpation laughable.

>> No.28911854

>>28911825
Wasn't it a damage multiplier post errata?

>> No.28911857

>>28911825
Hell, even when you get it it's a murder machine. 3x bonus sux to raw damage instead of 2x.

>> No.28911869

>>28911582
>they made DotFA's solar charms EVEN MORE BROKEN

I challenge that affirmation.

They certainly didn't fix them, but they got rid of the really awful stuff. Also, remember they did not have an actual say in the content. They were ordered to "fix that shit", and weren't even fucking payed for it.

>I'd rather the game died in a form I'd like
This is enough for me to declare you Utter Shite Extreme. Please leave this place and go back to your solitary masturbation and discussing about an edition that has been talked to death already. And take your fucking immobilism with you.


I can understand being warry of change, but actually wishing a gameline to die rather than change is unnacceptable. You should be ashamed of yourself.
And how can you affirm you don't like the new system? We barely know anything about it, and even if we did, you haven't fucking played it yet! Are you that kind of person that declares "I don't like fish" when they've never had fish before?

>> No.28911912

>>28911869
>but they got rid of the really awful stuff

And added different really awful stuff in its place.

>> No.28911930

>>28911912
So, basically, better the devil you know?

They themselves said 2e was unfixable.

>> No.28911969

>>28911912
Eh, not even post errata Golden Destruction Cut was as terrible as some of the stuff pre-errata. Taken in total, I'd call it an improvement.

>> No.28911974

>>28911619

I've come to view it as "Ultimate" Exalted, like the Marvel comics. A re-envisioning.

Its disingenuous to say are not changing an existing history but in the previous sentence admit they ARE changing things. That's what they're doing, changing things, just own up to it. I'm uncertain I like the impact of said changes compared to the gains of a potentially nifty new Exalt type, and want to see if the writers have thought this through better.

It's not like they've made stupid errors anywhere else in the leaks, right?

>> No.28912022

>>28911974
>Its disingenuous to say are not changing an existing history but in the previous sentence admit they ARE changing things

Changing things in the real world, sure. It's still Exalted. But it's Exalted with the existing history discarded and a new one written in its place wholesale. That's not disingenuity, that's how it fucking is.

>> No.28912047

>>28911582

>Dude, they made DotFA's solar charms EVEN MORE BROKEN.

Either you're a troll or you have no idea what the fuck you're about.

>> No.28912110

>>28911912
People evolve. It's called progress. Something we don't seem to be able to fathom, considering Exalted Generals always fall back into this stupid debate, most of the time at the behest of assholes like >>28907309 or >>28909007. So basically, Ink Monkeys haters who just want to rant about how those filthy new writers are ruining their game (when they have clearly announced their design goals for the new edition, and have obviously evolved and progressed), or hyperbolistic morons panicking about the setting changes.

And trolls. Can't forget the trolls.

>> No.28912155

>>28911725

You mean the version which was basically a *worse* version of Fire and Stones Strike? The way it talks about activating a charm reflexively when it's a supplemental charm?

I'd say hang your head in shame, but at this point it's so far hung it's right up your ass.

>> No.28912176

>>28912110
Even in spite of this, I'm more convinced than ever that /tg/ is one of the better places to actually discuss Exalted.

>> No.28912206

>>28912110
Yeah I don't really get the stubborn refusal to accept that maybe, just maybe, the Ink Monkeys realize that the shit they made for 2e was largely either shit in and of itself or bandaids on a sucking chest wound and are changing their tune for the new edition.

>in b4 whiners going "B-b-but anon, evocations are still bleach shit baaaaaaaaaaaaaw"

>> No.28912243

>>28912155
It was actually better than Fire and Stones because it didn't have a cap; you could spend as much as you could afford to spend on it. But that could get prohbitive, so it was balanced. The NEW version is just fucking ridiculous.

>> No.28912255

>>28912176
That does not speak well of the other places.

I still appreciate the official forums, obviously. 'Tis the land of spoilers, homebrew and shit. But I don't participate much, mainly because I don't have much to say, and most of the things I do have to say, the regulars say before I do.

>> No.28912267

>>28911685
Ink Monkeys was explicitly them writing what they wanted to write, free of any oversight. The only people you can blame for Cobra Style is them. No one asked "hey, make us a broken MA".

>>28911693
And every charm they edited, rather than removed, is more broken than the original version. It's not a good sign when all their most effective errata is "this doesn't exist". I'd rather have one charm I have to houserule out of existence than twelve that are MORE BROKEN THAN THE VERSION THEY'RE ERRATA FOR.

>>28911703
I can't even talk about the edition I like on /tg/ anymore because of the new edition.

>>28911869
> I can understand being warry of change, but actually wishing a gameline to die rather than change is unnacceptable. You should be ashamed of yourself.
> I'd rather the game died in a form I'd like (since a game being out of print doesn't mean I can't play it)
The game dying doesn't impede me from playing it how I like. The new edition does.

> And how can you affirm you don't like the new system?
If they live up to their promises, I won't like it. Even if it becomes the best system for playing everything from WFRP to Scion, I won't like it, if it lives up to those promises.

>>28911930
I've seen people rewrite entire MoEPs, for free, without complaining, of their own volition. And their errata was great. I've seen someone fix the entirety of Sidereals without touching the corebook's systems. It's not unfixable.

>> No.28912289

>>28912022

That's the aspect of 3E that bugs me.

I understand that the game was horribly fucked mechanically. It wasn't so bad storywise, though.

A lot of the more annoying stuff wasn't even canon (eg, people confusing Desus with Arkadi).

>> No.28912310

>>28912255
It really doesn't, and that's why I love ya, /tg/.

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>>28912267
>The game dying doesn't impede me from playing it how I like. The new edition does.

>> No.28912398

>>28912110
>have obviously evolved and progressed
Where do you see this?

>>28912206
>the Ink Monkeys realize that the shit they made for 2e was largely either shit in and of itself
No, they keep on going on about how the system was shit when they found it, and when they talk about how their stuff was shit, they always phrase it in a way that makes it seem like someone else wrote it (like everything to do with the Reclamation; which isn't even actually a problem in the first place). They've admitted precious few things were even halfway bad, and that stuff was so bad they errataed it to "this doesn't exist".

>>28912289
Yeah, I've always described Exalted as a game you play for the setting and despite the system, and I don't believe that's an unusual statement in the community. People are just so upset with 2e's system that they're willing to accept anyone who leaps in with promises of fixing it.

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>>28912267
>The game dying doesn't impede me from playing it how I like. The new edition does.

>> No.28912431

>>28912289
>I understand that the game was horribly fucked mechanically. It wasn't so bad storywise, though.
There was still a lot wrong. 2E Lunars, for example, were built up by saying "No, wait, this was actually done by Lunars." Thee's room for improvement, especially with Lunars and Infernals.

>> No.28912495

>>28912267
You were asked to leave. Someone willing the death of a game isn't really welcome in the General Thread dedicated to discuss said game.

Seriously dude, you don't seem to realise how giganticly dickish what you said was. The game starting over for a new edition won't stop you from playing 2nd Ed. You own the books. Those you don't have, you'll be able to buy at a fucking discount. You have friends willing to play the fucking game. Play it. No 3rd Ed Ninjas will come to silently kill you in the night after your prologue session.

Wishing the game to be dead and disappear, frozen in the state it is in, without hope for new material and new shit to be excited about? That is the worst thing to happen to any game. Fuck you. Just, fuck you.

We didn't even touch on 3rd Ed until some asshole started trolling.

>> No.28912528

>>28912495
>The game starting over for a new edition won't stop you from playing 2nd Ed.

I think what he's whining about is that everybody else will be playing 3e, and nobody will be willing to play 2e with his idiot ass.

>> No.28912557

>>28912528
If it sucks as much as he keeps claiming it will, though, they won't be. So clearly he's insecure in his evaluation.

>> No.28912681

>>28912398
>they always phrase it in a way that makes it seem like someone else wrote it (like everything to do with the Reclamation
I have the book in front of me. As in, the actual, physical Manual of Exalted Power : The Infernals. Of the 5 writers in there, only one currently still writes for the line, that is Eric Minton, who did most of the Charmset, and agrees today with the Current Devs that said charmsets were cool but problematic. Appart from that, none of the current writers have anything to do with how Infernals and the Reclamation was concieved for 2nd Edition.


On the other hand, Holden, Minton and Morke all wrote for the Broken Winged Crane. That book was an utter success. None of its fluff is problematic, and its charms were conceptually very cool (and, once again, problematic, but inherited that aspect from the main MoEP charms).


To conclude : check your fucking facts. You have obviously no idea what you are rambling about. None of the people who have demonstrated such irrationnal hatred for the current writers have. Every thread we have this discussion, every thread these mistakes are commited, and every thread someone has to actually check the book and call your bullshit.

>> No.28912720

>>28912681
Dude, just forget him. He's just going to claim that BWC was shit too.

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>>28912720
I am fucking irrate as shit. At risk of being shunned for heresy, this picture is the only way to demonstrate how fucking irrate this makes me.

This is not normal. We should be excited. We should be acting like giddy little kids waiting for fucking christmas. Instead of that, we get served a whooping double helping of fuckasses. Fuck.

>> No.28912994

>>28912949
Well then tell me about what kind of character you want to make for your first dive into 3e, anon. Turn that rage into workin' and thinkin' energy, get some mileage out of that sumbitch.

>> No.28913039

>>28912949
I see all of one fuckass here. Unless you're lumping people who are disappointed about one or two aspects of the change in with the guy who wants the whole game to die.

I'm not going to refuse to ever play the game. I'm just going to hope that the Storyteller includes the old sig characters that I liked, and doesn't treat the murderous SJW tranny as a LG hero.

>> No.28913066

>>28912243

Then why not make a Fire and Stones Strike upgrade? Why did it have to be it's own separate charm when not even having Fire and Stones Strike for a prereq? Just make a F&SS upgrade saying your new cap is STR+ESS or limitless if you want. Hell that was one of the most commonly homebrewed charms.

Compare this to errata. 3x or 4x threshold successes? Sure, that's fine and managable. Granted it gets dumb when you get to ESS 10, but no one ever gets there. And if you're stupid enough to use a deathlord with charm, you deserve the beating your players will give to you.

The writers who did DotFA crunch had no idea what the fuck they were doing at all.

>> No.28913140

>>28912994
Hahaha. Playing? I have payed for a physical book. I am designated ST by virtue of having had money to waste on such a vanity purchase during the kickstarter.

What I am going to do? I am going to wreck shit. I am going to wreck shit *so hard* my players will beg for mercy. It is going to be Hell on Earth. Cats sleeping with Dogs. Rivers flowing up. The Scarlet Empress wearing pink.

Mass combat, social combat, kingdom-building, normal combat, high level play... Everything I couldn't do in 2nd Edition, I am going to do.

If it works? Fuck. The edition might be the shittiest book ever, I won't give a shit, it'll allow me to do what 2nd Edition stopped me from doing for many, many years.

If it doesn't, I'll dial the fuck down and try to run a normal game, because let's be honest, first game with a new edition crashing down in flames will probably be my fault for reading half the rules.

>> No.28913161

>>28913066
>Sure, that's fine and managable

Eh, even I'll contest this despite thinking that guy was a twerp. Hungry Tiger Technique by itself sometimes strains the limits of sanity if you get a really good bonus overflow, which is fairly easy to do as a Solar with Infinite Mastery. Increasing the multiplier further gets out of hand well before E10.

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>>28913140
>The Scarlet Empress wearing pink.

Oh my.

>> No.28913194

>>28913039
Yes, please ignore the moronic hyperbole. I am prone to those when Irrate As Shit(c).

>> No.28913206

>>28913140
Yeah it's really depressing because I've wanted to play Exalted for literally around 3-4 years now. I've been in two games, neither of which lasted beyond one session (even the one I joined in the middle of), and now I bought the book and will be ST for fucking ever just like in every other system I play.

>> No.28913213

>>28912495
>You have friends willing to play the fucking game. Play it.
Almost all of my friends haven't wanted to play 2e since 2.5 was announced, let alone since 3e was announced. My oldest Exalted friends have BECOME the 3e Ninjas, to use your phrase.

> Wishing the game to be dead and disappear, frozen in the state it is in, without hope for new material and new shit to be excited about?
Who said anything about the game disappearing? I want the game I love to continue being played. All the new material I've been excited for in the past three years has been homebrew.
I've seen people rant over how much better 1e was, even mechanically, with more passion than these threads argue about the future of 3e. But they don't get to play the game they like, because everyone's moved on to the next edition, and they'll be moving onto the edition that replaced the game they liked.

>>28912681
And the Reclamation, as presented in MoEP: Infernals, wasn't a problem. I said it wasn't. But all the writing about how the Reclamation was a problem is them. I'm not talking about the mechanics of Infernals. I didn't have a problem with the mechanical design choices in Infernals, even if the writer does. Individual charms are one thing, but on the whole, I didn't really see the problem with the mechanics.

>> No.28913233

>>28911537
You mean like the "The Reclamation killed every other kind of story" when that wasn't even an idea until Holden decided it was unquestionably true?

>> No.28913258

Why are all the Solar larceny charms from DotFA all about stealing?

>> No.28913261

>>28913213
find some boring faggots like yourself to play your broken shitty game with you

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>>28913258
uh

>> No.28913300

>>28912267
>I've seen people rewrite entire MoEPs, for free, without complaining, of their own volition. And their errata was great. I've seen someone fix the entirety of Sidereals without touching the corebook's systems.
Care to post some of these?

>> No.28913339

>>28912949
>This is not normal. We should be excited. We should be acting like giddy little kids waiting for fucking christmas. Instead of that, we get served a whooping double helping of fuckasses. Fuck.
This may have something to do with the book being over a year overdue.

>> No.28913360

>>28913339
Starbound Syndrome?

Luckily Ex3 has no open beta.

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>>28913297
Did a Solar steal the rest of your post?

>> No.28913454

>>28913206
>Play one campaign
>goes six months
>ends with a dull thud the moment combat actions instead of empire building start happening
>The entire 4-hour session resolved less than 5 minutes of in-game time, with 3 of 4 players twiddling their thumbs for pretty much all of it

>> No.28913466

>>28913140
>>28913206
Don't worry anons, forever GM-ing isn't so bad, because eventually actually playing the games will be ruined for you because you can't help but feel that you could have run the game better.

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>>28913182
Other option is Her Redness in a Sister of Battle power-armor duking it against my circle of Solar players, and potentially wercking their shit. That option is kept as a backup should they ever do something stupid enough to warrant her leaving wherever she is to put them in their places.*


I really shouldn't think like that. Scarlet's not supposed to specialised in combat (granted, as an Essence 8 Exalt, she probably has what it takes to fight correctly but you catch my drift). But dammit, I just fanboi over that character, any self-concious person would be ashamed. She is just such an unspeakable badass in my view.

>> No.28913503

>>28913339
Nope, if you go by the oldest release date announced, it is exactly one year overdue, not over one year!

Pedantry HO!

>> No.28913549

>>28913300
Dude, I wish I could, but the wiki one was hosted on was taken down by the owner, and I lost contact with the guy doing the other one two computers ago (during his playtesting).
I know, you're going to call me a liar. I can't prove you wrong. I'm not going to try. It'd be a waste of time. I don't have any proof beyond my word.
I've done my own errata of 2e (unfortunately hosted on the same wiki), and I never felt the hatred and contempt the design team has expressed doing errata. I was creating content for a game I loved. I've even rewrote some of the charms even the supporters of the Ink Monkeys thought were broken in their early updates.
But I don't play this game for the system. I love the setting of Creation. I might be able to live with 3e's mechanics if it turns out they were just poor with explaining themselves in all their previews and spoilers, but its almost as if they dug around in my brain for the List Of Reasons Why I Love Creation, and tried to change as much as possible.

>>28913471
... Dude. The Scarlet Empress was a shogunate officer before becoming Empress. Warrior Empress in power armour is go.
She's my favourite canon Exalt.

>> No.28913606

>>28913466
Nah, because as soon as my "let's wreck shit up" campaign ends, and the Dragon-Blood book hits us (and I fully intend to time it right), I get to reroll my Air Aspect magistrate and enjoy a spot at my Sidereal Player's table.

I already trapped him into GMing for 2nd Ed. There's no chance he'll refuse. My plan is perfect.


Incidently the first thing I'll roll for 3E will be an Air Aspect magistrate with Athletism, Thrown and Elemental Bolt Attack maxed out for combat. Lightning Bending FTW.

>> No.28913782

>>28913549
If the setting changes pose a problem, remember the mantra of the Exalted ST. Everything Is Optionnal. Your 2nd Ed Games didn't feature the entire setting everytime, did they? Those pesky X* that you never liked, they never appeared, huh? Same goes for 3rd Ed. Ultimately, if you dislike it, you can remove it. You even have the basis of 2nd Ed's setting to fall back on if you need to if, say, you don't like Exigents and they somehow affect the setting enough that you can't excise them.

But seriously. The irrational hate and deathwishes have got to stop. It's not cool for us, who're excited about the new shit, and it's not cool for you, because bad blood over something you love is *never* cool.


Talking of the Shogunate, I'd love to play a Shogunate Game. The game like lacks material about that period though... We should have one of those fancy Worldbuilding Threads, and try to make the coolest Shogunate possible.

>> No.28913828

>>28913782
>Those pesky X* that you never liked
Where X is this bloody thing that was canon but you never liked and never used.

Mine is Lunars. Because seriously, fuck 2nd Ed Lunars. But in that more than anything, your mileage may vary.

>> No.28913839

>>28913039
An RPG can only die when there is no one left to play it. The migration of the playerbase will kill it much harder than any ending of the gameline.
Exalted 1e is dead, but AD&D isn't, and AD&D was out of print when Exalted 1e's core was released.

>> No.28913978

>>28913782
But the system will be designed to represent 3e. Exalted's system has always been intertwined with its setting. If the extent of my my complaints was "they're making Creation even bigger", I'd do what you suggested. The Creation of my game is already much smaller.
But if my problem is the core changes to, say, DBs... I couldn't use any book that was about DBs. What if my favourite thing about Infernals was their yozi-based charms? I'm not worried that 3e's setting changes will change the setting too much for me to change it back to the setting I like, I'm worried the setting changes will change the SYSTEM too much to change back.
By the way, has anyone else noticed that these threads spew bile for 200 posts, and as soon as they enter autosage, they get much more civil?

>> No.28914243

>>28913929
>What if my favourite thing about Infernals was their yozi-based charms?

See, the problem is, people are so warry of every little detail, and everything explodes out of proportion so quick, of course I can understand why you're so fucking terrified. But it's not necessary. First : stop taking this thread seriously. We talk nothing but a load of ass in the end, really, we are in no sense a reliable source.
So that bit I quoted just there? That's still in. What's gone is "Infernals use the charms of the yozi". Notice the phrasing. Of course their charms will still be based on the Yozi's themes and shit. As a player, you loose nothing with this change as far as character concepts go. It is just a setting minutiae that needed changing. The thing is, people read that, and jumped to conclusions. "Infernals are now Green Solars". That's not true. Solars don't grow tumors that give them telekinetic powers. Mind-Hand Manipulation is still a thing. Shintais are still a thing. Infernals still burn with Atomic Green Fire. That's all on the wiki.


(The problem is that a whole lot of those little setting minutiae have found their way into the game. Like that phrase about Gaia and the Demesnes in the Thousand Forged Dragon write-up. Or The Games being powered by Creation. That's why the setting needs an overall too. And then there's the new new stuff, which is being added because, let's be real, you just gave a bunch of dudes full rights to add shit to their favourite setting ever, of course they're gonna do that. You'd do the same. We all would.)

Your worry about the system being so affected by the setting changes isn't necessary. Do you honestly think they will enact a big enough Core Change to a classic splat book to render them unrecognizable? They like Exalted. They have been playing the same game as you for as long as you. If they didn't, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.

>> No.28914356

>>28913978
Autosage weeds out the short-sighted fuckwits and only the dedicated discussers remain.

>> No.28914358

>>28914243
>We talk nothing but a load of ass in the end, really, we are in no sense a reliable source.
What about the wiki full of things the devs have said?

> What's gone is "Infernals use the charms of the yozi". Notice the phrasing. Of course their charms will still be based on the Yozi's themes and shit
That's just pedantically poking at the phrasing of what I said.

> "Infernals are now Green Solars".
I thought it was "Infernals are Solars at their worst"?

> They have been playing the same game as you for as long as you.
Sometimes I really wonder about that. Like someone else said earlier, the Ink Monkeys were responsible for most of the TTGL row row fight the powaa stuff.

>> No.28914434

>>28914356
>Always open posts in new tab and ride them out if worthwhile

>> No.28914535

>>28914358
How long ago was that? Seriously. It's done. They did it. Now they don't. Gunstar Autocthonia was an Adios to all that. You can relax about the Gonzo.


And for the Infernal thing, yes. That's their narrative basis. The conceptual basis stays the same : normalish looking power evolving into all-out weird shit. My pedantical poking was not pedantical poking. The difference actually matters. It matters a fucking lot, just as "weilding the powers of the Deathlords" and "Having charms inspired by the Deathlords" are different in a way that matters a fucking lot.

>> No.28914581

>>28914535
And if someone liked Infernals directly wielding the power of the Yozi?

>> No.28914735

>>28914581
You can't make omelette without cracking a few eggs.

Infernals weilding Yozi Charms has proven to be problematic. It deprotagonizes the Infernals, and demystifies the yozis. It takes away more than it brings.

In the same way, some people might have liked the fact that Demesnes were implied to be Gaia's souls in that Thousand Forged Dragon writeup. Or people who liked the fact that Lunars were basically missing from 90% of the setting. Or hell, I've even seen people defending Scroll of the Monk's SMA.

You can't please everyone. There's a moment when you must realise what is actually good for the future of the line, and do *that*. A new edition is a great opportunity.

All those disappointed people I just talked about? They'll linger on with 2nd or 2.5 games until they either die-out or write satisfying homebrew for E3.

>> No.28914851

>>28914581
Too bad? It's impossible to please everyone, sometimes ideas are mutually exclusive and you gotta pick one or the other.

>> No.28915109

>>28914735
>>28914851
So then why aren't those people allowed to say they don't like 3e? People who like all that crap just don't agree that 3e is good for the future of the line.

>> No.28915137

>>28914358
>I thought it was "Infernals are Solars at their worst"?
That's typically what's meant by Green Solars, and is just as bad if not worse.

>> No.28915165

>>28915109
It'll be good. Seriously.

>> No.28915236

>>28915109
Then... you're wrong? Just be glad for homebrew, so you can have your bad wrong fun.

>> No.28915273

>>28915165
If the people who don't like Exalted 3e "haven't seen enough of it to say it'll be bad", how have you seen enough to say it'll be good? All we have to go on is the wiki.

>> No.28915360

>>28915273
I know. You're going to have to take it on faith for now.
It's going to be very good.

>> No.28915394

>>28915109
Because we're expected to act in a reasonable manner. Of course it's better for the line. It's either that or pulling the plug on Exalted. It's a book with a year-long delay made by people who are obviously passionate enough about what they do to send every old line traditions packing, playtesting everything like it's out of style, and generally making sure they put out a good product. You can dislike their previous content all you want, they are not jacking off while pretending to write. Even if you disreguard all of that, it's obvious that they care about this book.

That's more than we can say about the devs for a big part of 2nd Edition.


The alternative, on the other hand, would be terrible. Not having any new material, like never ever? That would be depressing as shit.

>> No.28915454

>>28915273
The problem is the automatic "ANY CHANGES TO THE SETTING ARE BAD AND I THINK 3E WILL BE HORRIBLE!" attitude they have.

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>>28915109
Because 3e isn't out yet, so how do they know? The only possible thing they could be doing by taking that viewpoint is screaming uninformed rage out into space, which is not exactly a valued or scarce commodity. It's also fucking irritating.

>> No.28915783

>>28915394
>It's either that or pulling the plug on Exalted.
See >>28913839. Not having a 3e is not the same as Exalted dying. Is it good for the line to see everything they love about the setting replaced? If Exalted continues as a line, and you can't recognize it as Exalted, does it even matter? 3e IS pulling the plug on the game I love.

> passionate enough about what they do to send every old line traditions packing
That's what really confuses me. If they love Exalted so much, why are they changing everything that makes the setting so great?

> Not having any new material, like never ever? That would be depressing as shit.
I've been in this place for years. And yes, it really sucks. The game isn't even fucking out, and already no one wants to play 2e.

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>>28915783
>I've been in this place for years. And yes, it really sucks. The game isn't even fucking out, and already no one wants to play 2e.

Well there you have it. We don't want to become sad, affraid, grim, bleak anons without hopes and dreams like you are, Anon.


...In all due respect, of course.

>> No.28915901

>>28915109
Because how they do Infernals is completely irrelevant to whether Ex3 is good or bad. That would have been determined long before Infernals get their 3e splatbook. Years before even, count yourself lucky if you see 3e Infernals before 2017. Frankly what the team plans to do with them now doesn't matter much because in all the time between now and them actually writing the book they could very well change their minds several times over.

What we're going to do is look at the core, and if the core is good we look at the first few splat books, and if they're good then Ex3 is probably a successful edition. It might be the case that the third edition Infernals turn out to be subpar, but Exalted is more than Infernals and always has been. Frankly there's only two splats that need to be good: Solars and Dragonblooded. If those two are great, then everything else could be awful and you'd still have a functioning game and setting because the premise of Exalted is: 1) The Dragonblooded have ruled the world since they killed the Solar God-Kings, and 2) the Solar God-Kings are back.

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>>28915783
I can only speak for myself, but playing 2e made me not want to play 2e back in 2008. If I actually had to run mass combat, I'm sure that I would have managed to fully unfuck myself a lot faster.

Which is why I contemplated porting the conceptual fusion of extras and mass combat revealed for Ex3 into Ex2. Unfortunately, social combat is still a giant sore that makes me cringe and make a weird face. Pic related.

>> No.28915935

>>28915783
>Not having a 3e is not the same as Exalted dying. Is it good for the line to see everything they love about the setting replaced? If Exalted continues as a line, and you can't recognize it as Exalted, does it even matter? 3e IS pulling the plug on the game I love.
Most of us are seeing great changes that fix the clusterfuck that 2E had from a total mess of an incomplete vision from the core book and random twattery from freelancers. Both problems 3E isn't going to have because it's going to be an in-house team and an overarching plan for everything that follows in the core book.

>That's what really confuses me. If they love Exalted so much, why are they changing everything that makes the setting so great?
They aren't, they're fixing what was WRONG with it in 2E.

>I've been in this place for years. And yes, it really sucks. The game isn't even fucking out, and already no one wants to play 2e.
People played 2E (Paranoia combat and "we got rid of paranoia combat" errata versions) because it was the only option for the setting. And even then a ton of groups simply said "fuck this" because they were tired of dealing with the system.

>> No.28916029

>>28915783
Because traditions does not good content make.

Just because you've been doing something someway for dozens of years doesn't mean you shouldn't switch to a better, more efficient or satisfactory way the second you find it.

They're not changing what makes the setting great. They are improving and developping it. The last big setting addition we've had to this line is Infernals. That's becoming old as shit now. Creative works cannot survive without new shit being pumped in once in a while. A New Edition is, once again, a great opportunity for that, because you get to fine-tune the introduction of said new shit.

I don't agree that a game only dies when people stop playing it. A game dies when people stop being creative with it, and cutting official support is a big step towards that. Once creativity finally disappears, the only game left are artificial life-adders. I can't believe you'd prefer the gameline to stop, and Exalted to only survive on homebrew. I find the idea unthinkable. Just because you've lived with that for years doesn't mean we all have to.

>> No.28916090

>>28915933
Social combat kind of works if you just don't roll join debate and have the players and NPCs roll their dicepool and use social charms as they roleplay. We even ported social stuff into normal combat by taking a miscellaneous action to do it. It worked, though the game was pretty heavily houseruled and the group was aware of the problems with the system and we were all actively trying to not bump into them. I mean, fuck, my character didn't even buy a Perfect Defence until right before our first boss battle a few months into the game (where it saved her life, conveniently).

>> No.28916103

>>28915855
So you'll play a new edition, no matter how good or bad it is, because everyone else is? So many people see the new system and say "I'll wait until its out to say it's bad". All we have to go on is their track record and the wiki, and so far, neither of them seems hopeful to me.
I like the fluff of 2e, and much of the fluff of 1e that I've read. But unless this design team is just the worst at advertising and explaining their product ever in the history of RPGs, it sounds like I'd have to change the entire thing. Someone said it's a shitty thing to want a game to die, but it seems like 3e is going to kill 2e regardless of how good it is solely from being Not 2e.
It's not just going to end new material being printed for it, either. You can still play a game that's going to cease production. But you can't play a game that's dead. I've had fun with Exalted 2e even after their stopped being official material I anticipating and long before they stopped making official material for it, but I've basically had to find a new group, because the second 3e was announced everyone I knew jumped on it because it wasn't 2e.
I'm not in this game for the crunch, but even if I was, they're changing the game towards a style of mechanics I don't like in ANY game. And they're changing the setting drastically away from what I spent so many years having fun with, filling it with things that have already become running jokes in these threads and will either make no sense in the setting or drastically rewrite what the core of the setting is (like the thing about Exigents and the Immaculate Faith earlier). So what else is there?

>> No.28916228

>>28916103
>Mechanics are universally considered garbage in 2E
>I'm not in this game for the crunch, but even if I was, they're changing the game towards a style of mechanics I don't like in ANY game.
>Mechanics they've only revealed extremely generic concept info on, but not any concrete details on how it plays beyond "actually runs pretty fast and fun."

You suck.

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>>28916090
>>Kind of works if you ignore parts of it and heavily mod it, maybe.

So it doesn't work. We are in agreement.

>> No.28916268

>>28916228
>>Mechanics they've only revealed extremely generic concept info on, but not any concrete details on how it plays beyond "actually runs pretty fast and fun."

They've revealed a bit more than that lately, but still, yeah.

>> No.28916277

>>28906868
Sounds like a Lunar charm.

>> No.28916284

>>28915783
>Is it good for the line to see everything they love about the setting replaced? If Exalted continues as a line, and you can't recognize it as Exalted, does it even matter? 3e IS pulling the plug on the game I love.

You pulled the plug on yourself. The game you fell in love with never existed. It was an accumulation of mistakes. Barely functionnal. A clusterfuck of freelance work barely hold together by an illusion of a system. It was broken from the very begining when they half-assed the Dragon-Blooded book. You fell in love with that, and seriously, hats off to you. It takes dedication.

But it can't go on forever, because that game you fell in love with? It's a mess. It's like a mentally ill girlfriend. There's a time when you have to realise it just can't work. And when that time came, the majority realised that contrarily to a girlfriend, you're not married to the game, and if it's deficient and makes you miserable, you can change it. And if you can change it for the same, but functionnal and with new shit added, most people will do that.

And in that grand exodus, the small minorities of people who are properly married to the ancient ways are lost, because as was said before : you can't please everyone. And you especially can't please 2nd Ed grognards with anything but 2nd Ed.

It's sad that you can't find a game, dude. But we're moving on to greener pastures. Sorry.

>> No.28916363

>>28916103
>but even if I was, they're changing the game towards a style of mechanics I don't like in ANY game.

Explain.

>> No.28916436

>>28916103
>I like the fluff of 2e, and much of the fluff of 1e that I've read. But unless this design team is just the worst at advertising and explaining their product ever in the history of RPGs, it sounds like I'd have to change the entire thing.

Actually, I honestly think Shearer and Morke suck at explaining things. They're great at building up hype with empty platitudes, and frankly that's pretty much all they need (see: Kickstarter), but when it comes to getting down to brass tacks they suck at actually explaining what they want to do.

Best I can tell? What the two of them want as Developers is basically, "What 2nd Edition should have been." They want to give the first edition of Exalted, the one that made them fall in love with the game, a proper sequel. They even brought Grabowski (the guy who invented Exalted) back as a consultant and writer. A lot of what's good in Ex2 is just straight up lifted word for word from Ex1, and a lot of what isn't good are stale and uninspired attempts at innovation that fell flat. They want to do better than that, to build and innovate, to make the setting feel fresh and new and wondrous again instead of crowded and played out. Also to give the game actually good mechanics for the first time in ever.

Can they do this? Fuck if I know. All I can tell you is I'm getting a PDF of the 3e Core. If they pull it off I'll get subsequent publications, if they don't then so much for Exalted.

>> No.28916452

>>28915935
>Both problems 3E isn't going to have because it's going to be an in-house team and an overarching plan for everything that follows in the core book.
A unified direction doesn't mean shit if its headed right off a cliff.

> They aren't, they're fixing what was WRONG with it in 2E.
Like Creation being too small and the Reclamation being inevitable and the most important threat to Creation?

The system is easy to break. It's not broken. There's a difference.

>>28916029
The setting isn't being added to. It's being changed. They're completely rewriting the history of Creation, but they can't rewrite the history of Exalted. Changing stuff to change stuff isn't creative. A new edition can be a great thing for a game, but a new edition isn't automatically a good change. Slapping the same logo on the cover doesn't make it the same game. "New" is not better, efficient, or satisfactory.

If given a choice between the game you love continuing only in fan material or the game you love replaced by a game you can't even read the hype for without wondering why they're doing something the way they're doing it, which would you prefer? You can agree with a game's design choices and disagree with its execution, but how much hope is there for a game you disagree with the design choices of?

>>28916090
This is how most people play it. Combat in general works a lot the way people naturally streamline it. The ten steps are more like four steps, tops. They just split every little teeny bit of everything into its own step.

>>28916228
>>Mechanics they've only revealed extremely generic concept info on
> And I dislike the concepts. A game with these concepts successfully implemented is a game I would not like.

>>28916363
Let's try an analogy... You don't like FATE. Any version of it you want. You've tried five FATEs and hated them all. Now let's say they announced that Exalted 3e would just be a heavily modified version of FATE. What would you say to this announcement?

>> No.28916457

>>28908484
>Can Beastmen even be DBs?
Yes. A fucking Lintha can be a DB. You just need to have some dragonbloods somewhere in the family tree to get a chance (slim chance, but still).

Best odds at producing DB beastmen is having a Lunar with a high-breeding DB - Lunar ensures the offspring is a beastman, DB gives good chance of exalting (beastman will have notably lower breeding, though, due to one parent being not-DB.)

So basically, Red Panda Lunar plus qt3.14 DB = red panda db.

>> No.28916487

>>28916244
Yeah, sadly, pretty much. Same thing for combat, really, as far as I can tell nobody actually does combat with the rules as written because it's just so fucking slow. Large parts of the combat rules are just completely ignored because otherwise it's very hard to have fun with it.

>> No.28916519

>>28916452
>The system is easy to break. It's not broken. There's a difference.

It's so easy to break that you can do it without even realizing you're doing it. That's pretty much broken, dude.

>> No.28916636

>>28916436
>A lot of what's good in Ex2 is just straight up lifted word for word from Ex1
... Uh... What? All the WORST parts in 2e were just lifting from 1e. A lot off the fluff divergences were lifesavers. Say what you want about 2e Lunars, but not even 1e grognards defend 1e Lunars.
The emptiness of the platitude is why I feel this way. They've shown nothing, even after a year long delay, besides "we promise we'll do good this time", "we're just making 2e the way it should've been made", and here's a whole bunch of new stuff".
But I've seen what they thought 2e should've been, and I didn't like it. I saw the 3e previews, and I didn't like it. And if everything they said about 3e turns out to be a lie and I actually like the changes, I'll paint myself blue. I don't care about Exalted Prometheans, I want to hear about DBs, and the one new thing mentioned in the preview (House Specific Charms) I don't like. I'll put my faith in them when they release something more solid than fluff spoilers and design concepts, and when I actually find a solid preview I like. But until then, all I've got is the track record and the wiki.

I loved how House was a solely fluff choice and had zero impact on your mechanics. It made me feel like I had a greater latitude of choice than games like, say, Legend of the Five Rings; where your family had an impact on your sheet and you could actually optimize your lineage.

>>28916519
I've never seen someone who didn't know what they were doing make anything even remotely close to even my own poorly optimized sheets that made me the laughing stock of the number crunchers who taught me this system.

>> No.28916687

>>28916636
>I've never seen someone who didn't know what they were doing make anything even remotely close to even my own poorly optimized sheets that made me the laughing stock of the number crunchers who taught me this system.

And I've seen people accidentally come up with oblivion kick-style combos just by doing what they thought was natural.

>> No.28916688

>>28916452
>Let's try an analogy... You don't like FATE. Any version of it you want. You've tried five FATEs and hated them all. Now let's say they announced that Exalted 3e would just be a heavily modified version of FATE. What would you say to this announcement?

The part that confuses me is that I haven't head of any game that has mechanics like the ones they outlined for Exalted 3. What game systems, exactly, did you play that had similar mechanics that you hated?

>> No.28916748

>>28916452
All you have to do is stop derailing the threads with your Green Sun Hatred whenever someone mentions anything somehow related to third edition.

And that's not "you" personally. That's everyone. Seriously, whoever the fuck was responsible for >>28907309 should be ashamed. That's not just a blatant attempt at a derail. Who the fuck trolls the General Thread about the game they like *WHEN IT'S NOT IN THE PROCESS OF DISCUSSING THE SOMEWHAT CONTROVERTIAL NEW EDITION*?!


Stop that, and we can actually cohabit. Seriously, I don't give a shit if you choose to play Exalted 2e, 2.5, Qwixalted or some demonic rerigging of the Rogue Trader system for Exalted. You just have to realise that YES, a new Edition is coming, YES, most people are going to be excited about it, and NO, bitching about it in every thread is not going to make it go away. It just won't. You're a grown-ass adult. Act like one a just stop bringing it up, and it's discussed, just ignore it and move along. You can have multiple discussions in a same thread.

>> No.28916756

>>28916688

Not who you are talking to but Momentum is reminiscent of Ripples from LOTW. Which is not a bad thing, I love ripples.

I'm honestly hoping in this new edition that DB get enough of a boost that an Immaculate Master of Mnemon is a terrifying foe, even for a Solar.

>> No.28916894

>>28916688
Not him but it reminds me of a few systems for homebrew tokusatsu battle systems like Tokyo Heroes and HENSHIN!

>> No.28916993

>>28916636
When it came to mechanics, lifting from 1e like they did with Dragonblooded and Sidereals made them horrible and non-functional, for reasons that should be obvious (the system had changed). Fluff wise, though? Pretty much everything I liked from the early publications seems to be straight from a 1e book. Obviously the didn't lift 1e Lunars, but I'm not going to argue the first edition didn't have a few turds, and Lunars was definitely the biggest one. Everyone is glad they decided to do something different for 2e, and even though it was mediocre as hell it at least worked.

>> No.28917069

>>28916993
Actually, unless I misremember for a long time a lot of people considered Lunars and Solars to be the only two functioning splats. It wasn't until Alchemicals came out that the fandom realized just how shitty 2e Lunars were, but compared to the 1e version and the broken non-functional mess that was 2e Sidereals, it didn't seem that bad. Not until Alchies went did the attribute charm schtick better.

>> No.28917178

>>28916748
> All you have to do is stop derailing the threads with your Green Sun Hatred whenever someone mentions anything somehow related to third edition.
The thread was derailed by people defending 3e to a post that wasn't even talking about 2.5 or 3e.

> Act like one a just stop bringing it up, and it's discussed, just ignore it and move along.
I fear people won't be able to ignore 3e until the system's aged long enough for there to be 2e and 3e threads existing together like how D&D is split into multiple threads.

>>28916756
I didn't get a feeling of ripples from momentum, but it's a good example, since I don't like LotW's system. I'm not saying whether or not its good or bad. Regardless of its quality, I don't like it. So if I saw a mechanic that reminded me of ripples, or that worked like ripples, I probably wouldn't like it no matter how well implemented it was.

>> No.28917221

>>28916993
And that's how I don't understand how they're going back to 1e's fluff, if they're changing so much of it. How are you going back to 1e by having so much differentiating it from 1e and the 2e that copied from it?

>>28917069
Alchies didn't do the attribute charm shtick better, they just had more powerful charms.

>> No.28917303

>>28917221
It's not always about the fluff, but about the feel. It will FEEL similarly to 1e overall, despite the additions.

>> No.28917374

>>28917303
it will be completely different from the first two editions, it wont feel like it at all

>> No.28917386

>>28917374
Maybe not EXACTLY, but it's going to feel very similar.

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>>28917374

>> No.28917413

>>28917386
in other words, it wont be like exalted at all

>> No.28917426

>>28913140
You know, I kinda share that sentiment...
But I can't take 3e without Lunar and Sidereal splatbooks as a complete game.
(nobody start "homebrew them" train, if I was up to THAT much homebrewing I would've done it in 2e)

So, when 3e comes out, I'll go read it. When DB splat and fluff books will come out, I will read them. Only when Lunar and Sid splats come out will I start doing anything.

>> No.28917480

>>28917178
>>28917221
I am going to bed.
You have tired me. You keep asking the same question, and claiming the same bullshit. You have every right in the world to like 2nd Ed. You have no right to expect people to stick to it just because you somehow decided you didn't want things to change. What you like in Exalted is what most people dislike about it. You're so stuck in the past and 2nd Edition, you don't actually know what you fight against. You have just declared you won't like it, and keep nagging people about it.


>The thread was derailed by people defending 3e to a post that wasn't even talking about 2.5 or 3e.
Yeah right.
>>28907677
>>28907309
Say that again. Or open your fucking eyes and see what your behavior brings to this thread.

We don't *need* a fucking edition war. We wouldn't have one if it wasn't for assholes like the two I've linked.

>> No.28917494

>>28917303
The feel can't be recovered. Much of the mysterious pulpy feel came from the mere fact that... well... the setting hadn't been developed yet. And even if you completely rewrite Creation, again, you can't rewrite Exalted. Its already been done. Twice. You can't uncolour those perceptions. The only way to avoid previous conceptions is for 3e to have been your first edition. 2e was my first, but I still looked back at 1e for ideas, and much of the 1e fluff I read, I loved (like all the caste/aspect books).
But someone starting on 3 won't be able to do that. It'd be like reading 2e planescape books for 4e.

>> No.28917669

>>28917494
stop fucking deleting and adding shit to your posts, holy shit

>> No.28917721

>>28917494
>The feel can't be recovered

Sure it can, by adding in new elements of mystery and throwing out all the old concrete answers.

>> No.28917740

I wonder if you could have a setting that told its GMs to make up their own answers for the really big questions if they wanted them, and refused to offer canon ones.

>> No.28917743

>>28917669
why would he need to? thats what the delete function is for

>> No.28917757

>>28917721
The old concrete answers are still there. The history of Exalted is still there, and unless the setting of Creation no longer resembles the first two editions in any way, comparisons with the past will be made by anyone knowledgeable enough of the previous editions to make those comparisons. And if the setting of Creation no longer resembles previous presentations that much, you can't really call it the same setting.

>> No.28917766

>>28917721
This. Concrete answers are shit. They give results like people thinking "return of the scarlet impress is canon".

>> No.28917775

>>28917740
no, this absolutely cant be done

>> No.28917785

>>28917069
Lunars were "functional" because they were bland silver solars and only comparisons were actual solars, black mirror solars and two 1e copypastas.
So if Solars are assumed as functional basis, then they pull up Abyssals and Lunars while DBs and Sids sink.

>> No.28917830

>>28917757
They won't be there, though. It's not going to be a solved game anymore. Exaltation is no longer this One Set Of Things that has a perfect definition, for example.

>> No.28917841

>>28917757
People knowledgeable enough to draw those comparisons won't draw them if they're even a little bit clever. Definitive answers ruin settings. A new edition is the best way to reestablish mystery by actually modifying a few of those definitive answers, and leaving the rest of them up to STs. Also, introducing new content (exalts, places) for genuine mystery.

That's how you break an Edition's worth of setting prejudice (in the sense that you have peviously formed expectations when entering the setting. It's not an SJW thing. Don't start that. Yes, I'm talking to you, lurker N°06798. Reurn to your designated lurking area).

>> No.28917882

>>28917841
>Definitive answers ruin settings
Not unless you're talking about Unknown Armies. There's nothing wrong with having concrete knowledge of a setting.

> . A new edition is the best way to reestablish mystery by actually modifying a few of those definitive answers
> a few
What are they leaving the same?

>> No.28917900

>>28917882
>There's nothing wrong with having concrete knowledge of a setting.

With Exalted, you had so much concrete knowledge available in Second Edition that people were treating it like a solved game.

>> No.28917940

>>28917766

That's part of the lore that I don't mind seeing retconned. It was better when some things were left up in the air.

Maybe the Empress disappeared for some other reason and the ED's bride is a dark horse.
Maybe Fehim isn't an Akuma, but a Solar who's skirting the edge.

>> No.28917966

>>28917940
i agree

i much prefer the lunar quest lore when it comes to the scarlet empress, its just so poetic that a solar was screwing solars all along

>> No.28918008

>>28917882
Stop cutting my sentences midway. Seriously. The sentence goes on to say "and leave everything else up to the ST".


My whole point is that for a given mystery, you should never be able to say if it's the same answer as in the previous Edition, another possible answer, or something you have no idea about.


Actually, scratch the "previous Edition" in that sentence. I personally make sure my players remember that whatever big important answer they got from last campaign might not be relevant at all in our new game, because it might be completely different.


What I don't undestrand is why you seem to care so much about 3E when obviously, you don't want anything to change, you don't want a new system, you don't want new fluff, you don't want new shit... You want 2nd Edition. Stop debating about E3! There is no point!

>> No.28918079

>>28918061
>I started caring about 3e the second we stopped being able to have threads about my favourite game setting ever without it coming up.
We can have 2e discussions when faggots like you don't pipe up their boiling hate on the first mention of 3e.

>> No.28918098

>>28918008
>Stop cutting my sentences midway. Seriously. The sentence goes on to say "and leave everything else up to the ST".
What's left to leave up to the ST after all these changes they're making?

>>28918008
>why you seem to care so much about 3E
I started caring about 3e the second we stopped being able to have threads about my favourite game setting ever without it coming up.

>you don't want a new system
I wouldn't mind a new system if it felt like the system wouldn't be a step backwards; especially with regards to fixing the whiff-splat combat.

>>28918079
>We can have 2e discussions when faggots like you don't pipe up their boiling hate on the first mention of 3e.
This argument started by someone defending 3e against a post criticizing the poor quality of errata that wasn't even part of 2.5

>> No.28918117

>>28918098
this constant post deletion is far more annoying than your dumb babby opinions. please, just finish your fucking post the first time.

>> No.28918129

>>28918098
>This argument started by someone defending 3e against a post criticizing the poor quality of errata that wasn't even part of 2.5
No it didn't. It started with shitslinging on 3e.

>> No.28918158

>>28918061
>What's left to leave up to the ST after all these changes they're making?
Stop picking bits of posts and launching rethorical counterattacks as soon as you percieve a slight ouverture. You understand fully what it should do, because whatever you did with 2nd Ed's fluff, you will be able to do with 3rd Ed's fluff : you'll be free to pick and choose from different plot-hooks with different explanations and possibilities, just like the Emissary, or where the empress is. The only difference is that this time, there won't be any moronic freelancer adding in bits of canon at the last moment so nobody can edit it out. Stop being disingenuous. This has run long enough to be a reportable offence.

>I started caring about 3e the second we stopped being able to have threads about my favourite game setting ever without it coming up.

You *can't* prevent it from coming up. It's there. It's a thing that is going to happen. Your flailing around and rethorical fencing will not prevent it from being discussed, it will only force the thread to devolve into utter shite. Do you want to waddle into utter shite? No. Nobody wants to. We're here to talk about Exalted. You can't expect this thread to stop talking about the biggest thing to happen to Exalted since 2nd Ed Core.

And as a matter of fact, as was demonstrated here >>28917480, the thread wasn't derailed by people talking about 3E. It was derailed by assholes trolling about it. Which is different and exactly the sort of shit you should be condemning, because it keeps bringing it up when we're not actually talking about it.

>> No.28918172

>>28918129
Oh, wait, you're right. It was someone posting a stupid "joke" one of the designers made and then baiting the people who don't like 3e and who think the person who made the post is annoying.

>> No.28918181

>>28918098
>This argument started by someone defending 3e against a post criticizing the poor quality of errata that wasn't even part of 2.5


And there we go. This is the last straw. That's not just disingenuity, that's downright dishonnesty. Shut the hell up and get out of here. This is done.

>> No.28918191

guys, this is pathetic

the thread will be deleted soon, please leave this shit here

>> No.28918192

>>28918172
I am the one who posted that. It was no trolling, it was reporting on what I found to be an actually amusing piece of writing, as well as reporting an actual mechanics spoiler. Which is, Spells now have Keywords. But apparently nobody noticed that because hey.

>> No.28918218

>>28918192
Keywords and looks like WP cost.

>> No.28918238

>>28918192
No one noticed it because it was a shitty joke that wasn't even identifiable as a spell from the quoted selection. That joke isn't really the joke to make when you're a year behind schedule.
The fact that you didn't mean to bait them doesn't mean you didn't. I don't think anyone would've had much to say about it if the quoted post said something like "Oh, now, spells have keywords too, here's an example of a keyword that a spell might have".

>>28918218
Spells always had a WP cost.

>> No.28918246

>>28918218
Might be a new ressource, or health levels.

>> No.28918273

>>28918238
>Spells always had a WP cost.
Yes, but a general "all spells of same circle have same wp cost"
Here it is included in the specific spell card, implying that it's going to be more variable.

>> No.28918274

>>28918238
>That joke isn't really the joke to make when you're a year behind schedule
>bluhbluh imma so sad people ain't got the right to have fun

>> No.28918284

>>28918273
I guess so.

>>28918274
> We're hard at work making this RPG, have a preview.
> Bark bark bark.

>> No.28918300

>>28918284
I find it hilarious.
Also the fact that they are having fun writing it is a good sign.

>> No.28918382

>>28918300
or maybe they hate it so much they resort to absurdity

>> No.28918386

>>28918192
>>28918218
Also the <3> is probably formatting (likely denoting h3).

>> No.28918421

>>28918382
Vance is a big fan of puppies, so i doubt that.

>> No.28918434

>>28918421
what better way to burn off some frustration than with the things you like

>> No.28918456

>>28918434
Well duh.
Sex.
You dumdum.

>> No.28918484

>>28918456
sex with puppies? ew

>> No.28918550

>>28917494
Funny you should say that, because the Exalted writers went out of their way to point out several 1e books as explicitly backwards compatible with 3e, and even gave them out as Kickstarter rewards.

>> No.28918932

>>28918274
Anyone who strawmans this hard over his "fun" isn't actually having fun.

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