/tg/ - Traditional Games

Sorry, still loyal to my queen.

Are the Mirrans all dead yet?

because they got Phyrexian Obliterator

>>28736047

>Sliver

You're alright

>>28736058
Not as long as red mana stands strong.

>>28736002
>>28736047
Sliverexians vs Kami-Eldrazi confirmed for next block

>>28736058
Yeah, there was recently a story article written from the perspective of Elspeth. The Mirran resistance is entirely shattered and Elesh Norn has all but conquered the territories of Sheoldred and Urabrask, to the point where she felt confident saying she was last non-Phyrexian life left on Mirrodin by the time she left.

>>28736091

Urabrask and Batman's parents have something in common.

>>28736091

>Urabrask
>Not Sheoldred

So why exactly were the praetors fighting each other exactly? Weren't they supposed to be some kind of unified force?

>>28736106
Wait, really? Shit, coming back to a civil war between the phyrexian factions would have been awesome.

>>28736100
Sliverazi vs everything.

>>28736106
So much for all the effort put into giving the impression that the Mirrans might actually make a comeback.

>>28736139
>>28736142
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/263

Read it for yourself.

>>28736141
>Slivrakul, the Fanbase Torn

>>28736132
Because due to the influence of the various colors of mana on the phyrexian oil, they ended up having very different ideas on how to spread the Word.
Ain't no war like a Holy war.

>>28736132
They were unified in the face of a common foe. Phyrexia has only ever been composed of black aligned creatures. With additional colours added to their forces, it's created disharmony among them in terms of goals and ideals. Red in particular because it's the colour of emotion, chaos and compassion.

>>28736149
>We had to cross the Butcher Hall to reach the secret chamber

My fucking god who writes this tripe? Is this the same person who wrote that fanfiction level girly argument between Gerrard and what's-her-tits on Innistrad in the form of a series of letters? Sometimes it's better to do nothing than to do something badly.

>>28736205
>Gerrard

Geralf. No, not Gerrard. Certainly not Gerrard.

>>28736106
I'm glad Wizards understands who the best preator is.

>>28736205
I'll admit, this is one of the worst ways they could have handled Phyrexia.

>>28736285
They could've and fucking should've just said what the place is like now with maybe a page of information tops, lots of which could be in bulletpoint form, not tried to tell it through some awful "storytelling". It really does read like something a 16 year old did for school.

>>28736282
Shut up. Just stop, please.

I thought Elesh Norn and the concept of white Phyrexia was fucking fascinating until suddenly a swarm of neckbeards descended on the character, proclaiming it their new waifu and completely destroying its character in favour of a grotesque looking moeblub.

>>28736313
The purpose of the article isn't to talk about Phyrexia, it's to talk about Elspeth and how she ended up in Theros because apparently these shitty planeswalkers and their antics are important to some people.

>>28736150

10/10.

>>28736362

>>28736282

>Elesh-Norn
>Best
>Not Jin-Gitaxias

You all will bow down to the blue colour!

>>28736376
>it's to talk about Elspeth and how she ended up in Theros

She wanted to fuck the sun god, theres the story of Theros for you

>>28736381
YOU WILL BE ONE WITH MY STOMACH SOON ENOUGH, NERD

>>28736380
Congratulations, you prove my point.

>>28736362
I like you, but hating a character because of its fanbase is still ridiculous.

>>28736412

>Implying

>>28736415
Actually, I just find it funny how you seriously think anyone has Elesh Norn as their "waifu"

>>28736362
>I thought Elesh Norn and the concept of white Phyrexia was fucking fascinating until suddenly a swarm of neckbeards descended on the character, proclaiming it their new waifu and completely destroying its character in favour of a grotesque looking moeblub.

Isn't Elesh-Norn partly made of flesh? I mean the old Phyrexian didn't like the concept of flesh

>>28736450
>Actually, I just find it funny how you seriously think anyone has Elesh Norn as their "waifu"

There are people out there that do

>>28736463
The white phyrexians have their flesh removed. Elesh Norn is no exception. The red is her muscles.

>>28736493

Fairly sure muscles are considered flesh.

>>28736493

>muscles are not flesh

Really?

>>28736500
>>28736503
I meant skin, my bad.

But yeah, flesh is fine by phyrexian standards, as long as its mixed with metal.

If its metal, they like adding flesh to it.

>>28736463
White Phyrexia seems to quite like muscle and sinew, while absolutely hating skin more than anything else. Their aesthetic is all exposed muscle and circulatory system, covered in certain places with cracked white porcelain as armour. It's interesting how they're far more unified in their appearance than any other Phyrexian faction.

>>28736524

>If its metal, they like adding flesh to it.

Just like my Chinese cartoon porn.

>>28736524
And for more info:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Fstf%2F137

>>28736493
>>28736500
>>28736503
As I understand it, it's the skin they don't like. The skin is a seperation between you and the world, a barrier that must be flayed if you are to be One with Phyrexia. It must be removed and replaced with good old phyrexian material.

>>28736500
>>28736503
It actually looks more like circuitry than muscle. Just looks blood-stained because Elesh Norn loves distorted symbolism

>>28736526
>far more unified
That's White for you.

>>28736450
Shut up, man. She's cute.

>>28736563
Anything can be cute if you want it to.

>>28736560
Yeah, but I was shocked when it came to the effort they put into making the colours all distinct. Black Phyrexia under Sheoldred actually felt more black than the old Phyrexia.

>>28736585

Agree

>>28736149
Congratulations anon, that's the worst fluff I've read for any game I play.

>>28736618
>>28736205
Have some anti-rage
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/145

>>28736058
Hint : Karn's Ult.

The Reapers discover New Phyrexia

What happens?

An alliance of biomechanical horrors? Or just all out war?

>>28736884

Phyrexia dominates them

>>28736884
The Reapers get covered in dirty Phylube

>>28736884

The Reapers are defeated by either green, red, or blue magic. It depends which ending you choose.

>>28737263
HA!

>>28737263
>>28737263

Haha! This guy...

>>28736884
Phyrexia gets space ship technology and proceeds to conquer the universe.

Bad End. or best end?

>>28736884
>Reapers destroys New Phyrexia
>Leave carrying phyrexian oil taint
>All is compleat

>>28736606
How? She ran a religion that wanted to convert all to their perfection. She was a xenophobic monster that believed those not under her order were imperfect. That's super white phyrexia for you. Black phyrexia was always too busy fighting for power to ever stop and establish itself, I think there was something like 7 different leaders for black phyrexia when we left.

>>28737319
>Phyrexia gets space ship technology
>Starts cruising around looking for a place to conquer
>"Hey Sheoldred what's this place called?"
>"I think someone called it... Zendi-something? Can't remember the full name. Why?"
>"Wanna land and conquer it?"
>"Sure, what could go wrong?"

>>28737345
opps, thought you thought new phyexia wasn't correctly colour pied

>>28737347
>the void =/= space
>eldrazis are beings of the void anyway

>>28737347
>implying sheoldred would lead black phyrexia long enough
>implying blue wouldnt build the technology
>implying white wouldnt be the ones to go out into the aether
>implying this isn't written on Elesh Norn's flavor text "The Gitaxians whisper among themselves of other worlds. If they exist, we must bring Phyrexia's magnificence to them."

>>28737386
I mustn't have read that one. I was too busy probing my Gitaxian

>>28736380
"Am I Kawii yet Yawgmoth-san? >^.^<"

>>28737400
It's alright, soon you'll understand.
White Phyrexia is best Phyrexia

>>28737263

Because I don't want my parts to serve Phyrexia elsewhere.

>>28737449
>everybody likes white phyrexia
>nobody likes black phyrexia
Check your privilege!

>>28737347
But planar travel isn't space travel. Though, the soul traps might still exist, but I'm not sure they work right anymore thanks to the Mending.

>>28737449
Serve Green Phyrexia. Survival of the fittest and we get to keep our skin.

>>28737469
Even resist results in serving the Grand Orthodoxy

>>28737591
Get on my level.

>>28737672

>>28737517

>2 mana for a 3/1 first striker in any colours

Fuck yeah. Though I think Spike Jester is still the king of combat focused 2 drops.

>>28737858
Eh, Spike Jester dies uselessly against a vanilla chump.

>>28736606
Yeah, old Phyrexia was more artefact/black.

>>28736002
Too busy working to impress the Firemind. Or explode by trying.

>>28736002
How exactly would I go about serving Phyrexia? We seem to be lacking the technology to fuse with machines in this day and age.

>>28737511

Also, fuck golems.

>>28739418
You are thoroughly incorrect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RV_6Axb80g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5n2aJeAGyM

Get to work and start stuffing magnets in your fingertips.

>>28739645
Wow, who would have guessed that Yawgmoth is a qt3.14 British goth girl.

>>28739820
Who is completely fucking mental.

>>28736075
They need an Eldrazi Sliver

>Colorless
>4 cc
>2/2
>All slivers have Annihilator 1.

FUND IT!
>reCAPTCHA: late tingling

>>28737263

>>28737263
>"When Reapers leave play, all players win and lose the game."

>>28739868
She doesn't seem all the crazy to me.

Just a bit short on actual material science knowledge and overly concerned with the law.

>>28740036
Self-harming and calling it pioneering or experimentation is a good indication of crazy.

>>28740048
>Self-harming and calling it pioneering or experimentation is a good indication of crazy.
Or it's a good indication that you're from /fit/.

>>28740048
Compared to the old alchemists that would end up drinking toxic solutions of mercury and other substances in an effort to create an elixir of eternal youth, she's barely harming herself at all.

>>28740090
I thought we were enlightened enough not to resort to that sort of 'science.'

>>28740107
We're enlightened now because people did the dangerous sort of science in the past, laying down the groundwork for more cautious and rational scientists to build upon.

Any new field of study needs a few mad scientists getting injured along the way, like the early electrical experimenters or radiological experimenters in the 19th century.

>>28737693
>5 mana for infinite 1/1 monsters, infinite health, and an infinite/infinite demon

Yeah you done fucked up.
That's a terribly designed card.

>>28736585
i want a plushie of that thing now. fucking making an eldrazi adorable n shit.

>>28736884
all out war, because why not.

>>28740164
Or we could save lives and not potentially kill ourselves in the pursuit of knowledge by choosing a more cautious path that doesn't involve shoving toxic materials into our bodies.

>>28740164
Name one scientific fact that we've gleaned from alchemists drinking mercury besides the fact that mercury is toxic.

>>28740349
Alchemy wasn't science, you 'tard.

Now name several dozen scientific facts that we gleaned from Marie Curie giving herself radiation poisoning. This one is actually possible.

>>28740262
Oh come on, where's the fun in that? It's not like an apparently uneducated young woman with no fear of death would accomplish anything more useful if she wasn't doing surgical experiments on herself.

Hopefully she documents her projects well so when she inevitably ends up accidentally killing herself, her death will provide useful information to future experimenters like one of Dr. Mengele's victims.

>>28740403
But it was the example first posted you buffoon. The difference between marie curie and this crazy bitch is that marie curie didn't know what she was doing was dangerous.

>>28740407
Nothing she's done is providing any new information. All it's doing it showing that it can be done, which we already know - it's just that the benefits are outweighed by the cons, something that she should be smart enough to realise.

>>28740448
>The difference between marie curie and this crazy bitch is that marie curie didn't know what she was doing was dangerous.
Yet the scientists of the Manhattan Project DID know that what they were doing was dangerous. Name several dozen scientific facts we gleaned from their work.

Science isn't about risk known or unknown. It's about formulating a hypothesis and testing it. Is that not what this chick is doing?

>>28740495
Did any of those scientists die of radiation poisoning? I'm legitimately curious, but I doubt it, because they probably took proper safety precautions.

They were also at war. So it wasn't a totally scientific endeavour. Is this crazy cunt at war with anything but her own survival?

>>28737511
I wonder if a single color golem deck is feasible.

>>28736205
>do something badly
Poorly. You meant poorly. Regardless, you're point is still entirely valid.

>>28740566

Actually yeah, a fair number of them got irradiated to motherfuck.

>>28740584
Purphoros actually makes it possible.

>>28740704

>>28740684
I'm willing to excuse them because of the situation they were in. They had motive beyond scientific pursuit and mental illness.

>>28740733
>They had motive beyond scientific pursuit and mental illness.
One of them died because he was playing with the casing, and accidentally almost made the device reach critical mass.

But you're probably right. I'm sure he had a higher purpose in mind when he accidentally exposed himself and 5 other people to fatal doses of nuclear radiation while playing with a warhead.

>>28736002
>Why don't you serve glorious Phyrexia?
Because Phyrexia is already taking over the world without my help.

>>28741210
The fuck is that?

>>28741278
Calcified bird

>>28741278
It's a lake in Africa full of chemicals that basically turns animals to stone if they get in the water.

>>28740800
At least it was a mistake.

This girl's killing herself on purpose.

>>28742340
>At least it was a mistake.
Semantics. Science isn't about intent. It's about results. If this woman mutilating her body advances biotech, then why should you judge? It's her choice.

>>28740168
You obviously didn't see the tap symbol there.

But yeah, it's a goddamn awful card.

>>28741432
The water doesn't instantly fossilize animals in place like that pic suggests. The photographer found the stone corpses lying in and around the edge of the lake and posed them like that to make it look more dramatic.

Still bad news to touch it, but not medusa-tier instant death.

>>28736002
I don't into MtG fluff.

>>28743592
It ranges from really good to really bad, generally depending on the design team and what block(s) came before it.

For instance, Theros so far has been a very shitty block, fluff-wise, with a few exceptions. Cards not matching their flavour, references to ancient Greece ham-handedly shoved wherever they can, etc. But it's come at the end of a long line of decently fluffy blocks (Scars of Mirrodin went crazy detailed on the Phyrexian factions, Innistrad is probably the most flavourful block in modern bar Lorwynn/Shadowmoor, and RtR comes from a very solid foundation and concept), so it's understandable they'd be burnt out by now.

Similar thing sort of happened with Kamigawa, another top down design set that came after both Mirrodin and the Otarian storylines, which both in turn came on the heels of the Apocalypse.

At least, this is all in my opinion, and I'm probably biased against Theros for other reasons, but yeah. There's some really nice stuff in this game if you look for it.

Since we're chattering about MtG fluff, what are your favourite factions for each colour when it comes to the flavour?

>Hard Mode: No Ravnica guilds.

>>28744064
Lorwynn/Shadowmoor Elves. Great way to do both B/G and W/G, I think, though the B/G was better.

Barring that then the Nezumi from Kamigawa were a nice way to do monoblack, what with them being more individualists, outcasts and ambitious, craven thieves than just plain PURE EVUUUUUUL (something monoblack defaults to too often).

>>28736149
>Eternally Yours, Elspeth
Wait. Elspeth wants the furry dick?

Wizards, what the fuck?

>>28744370
>implying pic related isn't the best representation of B/G

>>28736362
>a fictional character is destroyed because I don't like someone else in the fanbase
I'b be glad to see you go.

>>28747541
>Implying... Glissa of all things is.

>>28740036
>and overly concerned with the law.
Because who cares if you get locked up.

>>28747541
I've always preferred this version of phyrexian Glissa.

More of dat delicious green skin left intact.

>>28736100
>Kami-Eldrazi
What would the Kami side of that be contributing at all?

>>28736002
Sigh... Kids...

>>28750475
It's part of the mad scientist experience.

Any proper mad scientist has to go to prison at some point to develop the connections with the criminal underworld needed to later buy things like uranium and stolen lab equipment, and to help nurture an all-consuming hatred of the established order that will drive them to build a doomsday machine.

>>28750529
"Elesh, stop enslaving your siblings right this instant, or it's off to time-out with you!"

>>28736047
Very good, and MY genetic pet "The Queen" is loyal to me...

And I am loyal to...

>>28750502
>Whenever you cast an Eldrazi or Trap spell, ...

>Splice onto Trap

>Essenceshift 7 (When this creature dies, you may return target Eldrazi card with converted mana cost 7 or greater.)

>>28750585
The Queen wasn't Volrath's creation and wasn't loyal to him.

All he did was take Slivers from Shandalar and make them look like tentacles with scythes instead of humanoids.

I do serve glorious Phyrexia. I am compleat.

>>28750586
So...

Not "Nothing" but just ever so slightly above worthless that you have to sigh first then admit to yourself that they have added "Something." Then disregard it.

But if it makes you happy- sure anon. The kami have contributed.

>>28750626
>The Queen wasn't Volrath's creation and wasn't loyal to him.
Try again, Original slivers were uncontrollable and queen-less. So Volrath's exposition to Karn went.

Also Shandalar is still unconfirmed if it's their "Orginal" plane or a new plane they infested.

>>28750547
>mad scientist
>not crazy

You seem to not understand what "mad" means.

>>28750678

It'd probably be more

Splice onto colorless or spell with CMC greater than 7.

Splice itself would have been an interesting mechanic if they either: continued it after kamigawa, or made it not as parasitic.

>>28750798
> made it not as parasitic
And how would they do that?

>>28750832
>splice onto green
>splice onto blue
>splice onto any number of conditions that existed in the game before "arcane"

>>28750678
How about this then!

Creature - Spirit Eldrazi Zubera Spawn
Sacrifice this creature: Add 1 to your mana pool for each Zubera Spawn put into your graveyard from the battlefield this turn.
0/1

>>28750758
No, the Queen cared about her Slivers and not about Volrath; that's why she let them past.

No, Slivers aren't planeswalkers and can't infest other planes without someone moving them.

>>28750914
Until a sliver gets a spark. Then the multiverse is doomed.

>>28736141
Source? I need to see what other stuff this guy's made.

>>28750942
Fortunately, they don't appear to be sapient. And just one having a spark wouldn't necessarily be a problem, since it couldn't bring the others with it.

>>28750942
Phyrexians can't have the spark, so you can counter a sliver planeswalker with a phyrexian sliver.

>>28736091
>>28736116
Sheoldred is dead. Urabrask is MIA. according to the mothership

>>28743861
Bleh, I rather enjoy Theros fluff compared to a lot of other blocks.

>>28751165
Source?

>>28751165
Links and direct quotes on both or you're a liar.

>>28737418

Groan/10.

>>28739463
Being compleated just makes you need a little stress relief, and when you have two great big golems following you, obeying your every word...

>>28736282
>>28736380
>>28736450
Could someone link me to a gallery of art of her, please? Grimdark AND moeblob welcome. I have a hard on for faceless monstrosities.

>>28751362
I don't have any galleries, but here's a pic of her by our very own Technomancer, from back before he became a faggot.

>>28751362
Just search "Elesh Norn" on Google Images.

>>28743861
>Theros
>Shitty fluff

All they fucked up was Bestow and the Enchantment Artifacts, which, yeah, don't really have a good explanation beyond vague "influence of the gods". Mind, that makes it far from perfect, and probably less good than your others, but shitty? I'd still say it's probably one of the best representations of Greek mythology that's on the entertainment market right now, although that might say as much about its competition as it does about Theros.

I really like Red Phyrexia, if only for how specifically non-Phyrexian it is. It really does evoke the image of an uncaring and automated machine, simply churning away despite the presence of the Mirrans around it. It seems like the one part of New Phyrexia that could survive its defeat and become a part of a restored Mirrodin's ecosystem.

And if Urabrask and the Red Phyrexians have lost their territory to Elesh Norn, that only increases the probability of outright rebellion and defiance against the other factions of New Phyrexia.

>>28751885
Bestow is a goddamn fantastic mechanic, though, so some leeway.

>>28752023

well, red is the color of unpredictability. What's more unpredictable that a race of destructive infections not destroying or infecting?

>>28752734
I like the idea of red as the creation color too. I love seeing them work on art. Red Phyrexia had that.

Theros Red has it too.

>>28751193
>>28751208
not that guy but the last lines mention their statuses
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Urabrask
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Sheoldred

>>28750482
Always reminds me of Kerrigan in that art for some reason.

Thematically, it actually seems like White, Green and Blue Phyrexia fit the theme of New Phyrexia far more than Black or Red Phyrexia - that could be why they've gotten rid of Urabrask and Sheoldred, because they don't really fit with this theme of a nation obsessed with the pursuit of perfection through recreation.

>>28736412

I wouldn't have been surprised to see that quote in some flavor text.

>>28755994
I'm willing to bet that if we ever go back to mirrodin (Which we will) It's gonna be Bant colored Phyrexians Vs a jund colored resistance