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Random news and Releases:
Plastics coming in 2014 - Flames of War: Korea - LWL: Maus and Pershing in the works! Fate of a Nation: Six-Day War --Rising Sun - Road to Rome; Fortress Italy compilation - Desperate Measures - Red Bear reprint + PDF -

Desperate Measure going to feature non-H&C Soviets at platoon-level formation sizes, and Super-Cheap German tanks without German Spess Magick. see>>>: http://www.wwpd.net/2013/11/desperate-measures-reviewed-and-spoiled.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Flames of War scans database (recently updated with Fate of a Nation, Tour of Duty and Rising Sun): http://www.mediafire.com/?8ciamhs8husms
---Includes our Late War Leviathan rules!
Official Flames of War Free Briefings:

Current /tg/ fan project - Noob Guide &FAQ!
Cheap way to make lists:

Archive of all known Panzer Tracts PDFs: http://www.mediafire.com/folder/nyvobnlg12hoz/Panzer_Tracts

Guybraian Notes:

>> No.28478860 [DELETED] 

th for no anime shit

>> No.28478914 [DELETED] 

How about kawaii uguu tanks.

>> No.28478923

>uses actual WWII pic instead of goddamn lolis

Thanks, OP. You're a good person.

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Looking forward to the Korean War supplement. Here's hoping that we get some great Chinese Infantry figures so we can, in theory, start running some Sino-Japanese Theatre games.

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>> No.28479075

So, what Flames of War/WW2 related stuff have you been doing this weekend? Personally, I've been planning a trip down to Holland to see the Market Garden memorials.

>> No.28479113

I went to Munster on Friday and forgot my camera.

>> No.28479189

Went to the local armour museum.
Universal Carriers are bigger in person.

>> No.28479228

Tetrarch a Kawaii~

>> No.28479424

It's a shame, really. What used to be a purely technology-focused museum will be remodeled to follow doctrine regarding "political education about the past of the Panzerwaffe".
And the worst thing is that they're going to remove tanks for it. From a tank museum. Yes, really.

>> No.28479490

Painted a Pionier platoon.

Preordered Desperate Houswi- er, Measures.

Watched Downfall with friends, played the "take a shot when someone dies" game.

Woke up with a hangover that felt like Bagration going on in my head.

>> No.28479494

Me and a couple other guys went through the effort to make 30-some-odd thread banners a month or so ago, seems only fitting that we try to use them.

That being said, the tanks in GuP are drawn rather well.

>> No.28479495

But the Nazis were evil Anon. So were the pieces of metal they fought with.

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I got some bad news.

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Ehh, they look bad when they're actually drawn. It's the 3D tank models that look good, not the 2D tanks.

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Eh, I've seen 15mm tanks that looked worse than that.

And here's a real one painted like crap. The fender isn't on straight =p.

>> No.28479727


Don't do this please.

>> No.28479798


>> No.28479813

Yes, you're right. I shall go and flagellate myself for thinking we could be absolved of our inherent genetic evilness. How could I have the gall to be born German?

>> No.28479840

>I shall go and flagellate myself for thinking we could be absolved of our inherent genetic evilness.
So that's why Germans are all into BDSM.

>> No.28479851

>Don't do this please.
Good gods this is an uptight crowd.

>> No.28479901

You'll find that reaction in almost every board and thread here though. Exceptions apply.

>> No.28479915

If you went anywhere else on 4chan and did that you wouldn't be told nicely to stop doing it you would be told to fuck off and kill yourself.

>> No.28479966

I've been here for a long time and it's always been pretty chill. In /tg/ at least, and especially in FoW threads.

I'm not ready for FoW threads to grow up.

>> No.28480022

This is nothing sexual. It's to remind us of our eternal sin, just like the bi-hourly apology sessions and the daily Two Minutes Of Shame.

>> No.28480069

Not usually. We tend to be pretty relaxed.

But we've had a few easily annoyed people, trolls, and counter-trolls in the past few threads.

I still have a sense of humor about these things though. :-p

>> No.28480090

Hear Hear :^)

>> No.28480129

I suppose this comes with the game getting more popular. That the last few threads have been full of spiteful shitposting from all directions certainly didn't help calm the temper of some posters either.

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Is this why you give money away all the time too?

>> No.28480517

In the US we sometimes get some of that PC shame about the a-bombs. Oddly enough, there isn't much regarding our near-extermination of the Native Americans, which was about as bad as anything else I can think of. Maybe worse, given the proportions involved.

>> No.28480583

I never really got that. The firebombing of Tokyo was much more severe in casualties that both atomic bombs added together, not to mention the projected casualties from a mainland invasion by the US. Hell, the Airfore even dropped leaflets telling the Japanese to get the fuck out of Hiroshima before bombing it.

>> No.28480613

Never hear shit about the millions of German POW's pointlessly beaten, starved and executed for no rational reason in cattle pen-esque camps, either.

>> No.28480670


Actually those leaflets arrived after the city was gone.

>> No.28480677

I have heard about that, mostly in France, but when I looked into it, the numbers seemed relatively small. Still bad, but like... 10,000 dead maybe. Like a 1% POW death rate in Western Allied hands (Wikipedia says 2.6% in French hands, and it matches what I've read elsewhere).

Something like a third of POWs held by Japan or the USSR died. Two-thirds of Soviet POWs held by Germany died.

>> No.28480740

Ah, yes, I meant to write Nagasaki, my bad.

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>2.6% in French hands
I guess some frogs were a little angry about losing so quickly?

>> No.28480813

How about we try talking about the game?

What do people think will be coming next after Desperate Measures?

I know late war Italy campaign is getting an update, but I doubt that will actually be the next release.

>> No.28480831

I found this pretty interesting:


I'm super excited about desperate measures, and I can't wait for a barbarossa book. Speaking of which, do we have any idea what's coming after desperate measures? I know it focuses on tank/mech, so will there be a fortified/infantry book, or some kind of battle of berlin book? Do we have anything on the barbarossa book that I presume will come out sometime?

>> No.28480876

Is mid-war done? No opportunities for anything new outside of the Pacific?

>> No.28480882

On the German POW point, tends to happen in war famine, whether from inefficient (or malevolent) running of occupied countries or Soviet partisans scorching earth in retreat and behind enemy lines; depends on who you ask, sometimes it's both. I've seen larger estimates for Allied POW casualties, but haven't looked into the subject enough. The USSR was fuckin' purgehappy and Japan under what equates to military junta was pretty damn brutal. Best men of the generation from all powers involved thrown away like that. A goddamn disgrace.

On an unrelated note; what's anyone here know about the Kodo-Ha? I'm curious as to their stances besides 'obsessive ideological purity,' 'emperor good,' and 'soviets a shit.'

>> No.28480895

>I know late war Italy campaign is getting an update, but I doubt that will actually be the next release.
I think they will, actually. I seem to recall them being scheduled for January.

After that, I'd guess more very late war books, BotB compilations, Barbarossa in some combination.

>> No.28480897

Could be anything.

I still think those Barbarossa rumblings were just misheard Rising Sun Rumors, but w/e.

I have half an inkling PSC might be coming out with Pz38(t)s and a bunch of the vehicles based on that chassis based on an offhand comment on their facebook a little while ago.

MW Might be getting a re-release, since North Africa seems to have been pulled. Dunno.

>> No.28480910

Desperate Measures is just screaming for a follow-up in form of a Fall of Berlin book.
Though that will probably come after the next few books.
Otherwise I suppose more stuff for the Asian theatres.

>> No.28481256

Speaking of Barbarossa, did the Germans use any of the captured French tanks in Russia before Jan 1st 1942? I've heard of some being used around Sevastopol, but I have not been able to find sources on that.

>> No.28481293


Wondering if they'll include the Flaktowers of Berlin.

>> No.28481338

BBB mentions that a lot of the B-2 s refitted to flammpanzers were sent to the balkans and the caucasus for anti-partisan duty, but that's all I recall from memory.

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Would be kind of hard to properly implement in FoW scale.
I believe some of them were used in Barbarossa, don't remember the source I read that from though.

>> No.28481454


The towers themselves, perhaps, but the 105mm and 128mm FlaK guns found on the towers were also deployed around berlin on the Ground, and would be quite appropriate.

Though the 128mm flakzwilling that had to be bolted to concrete would prboably only be on as a fortification.

>> No.28481553

Yeah, but that anon specifically asked about the Flaktürme themselves. What'd interest me more, however, would be how Battlefront would implement Volkssturm spam.

I can already feel the incoming spergfit about Umlaute...

>> No.28481574


I'd say something like 1 million bayonettes style random skill levels would work. Mix of teams inside the platoon.

>> No.28481597

But that wouldn't account for the sometimes rather wacky equipment they got.
Also, I just realised, Fall of Berlin German can get Mark IV tank support.

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That's why I can't play FoW. WWII is just too tragic.

When I look at museums filled with tanks and uniforms I can't help but think what could have been. US, England, Germany, and Japan should have been putting down Stalin and dividing up the rest of the world, not killing each other. Bringing civilization to the far corners of the world and establishing glorious empires.

Instead we get a war that puts America miles above everyone else, shatters England's empire, hands Chinese over to Mao, and with half of Europe enslaved by the Bolsheviks. Followed by every shithole banana state demanding independence and then crying that they're poor and demanding handouts.

>> No.28481669

I'm not saying this sounds like something I would read on /pol/... But I'm not saying it doesn't either.

>> No.28481670

I prefer independents arising from poverty, confederating and not being shits to each other (nor receiving the same treatment from great powers) to world-dividing imperialism, personally. To each their own. I'll agree on the point of removing Bolsheviks, though.

>> No.28481684

Ümälütën? Was is das?

Volkssturm will be interesting. I genuinely wast to see at least one RC-rated list that isn't just a random roll or single unit, though.

RC panzerfaust pistol teams on bicycles. With 'Enjoy the War'. Sounds fun.

And then Charlemagne SS Veterans with all the crazy kit, including the bulk of Vampir IR snipers that saw use in Berlin. On that note, since they were in Fall of the Reich, I hope the Panther IR systems which did see use in Seelow make it in.

>> No.28481765

Interesting fact on the side, "Zivilisation" was actually seen as decadent and "welsch" in Germany, contrasted by the positive connotation on "Kultur". I think the contrast goes back to Kant or some shit.

If anything, Volkssturm could be even more random, what with their scrap metal rifles that randomly exploded, them being made up of geriatrics, children, cripples and what not.

>> No.28481820


Easy to abstract. A lot are rifle teams. Some MG, some panzerfaust, some close defense teams, etc. Maybe a roll for special gear.

>> No.28481857

I know some of you guys play ALB here so it may interest you:


Leaked notes for the incoming DLC. Not that great really, sorta killing the game.

>> No.28481919

Take it back to /pol/

>> No.28481962

Either way, they'll probably have a shit ton of random chance added into their rules.

>> No.28482572

>Fall of Berlin German can get Mark IV tank support.

British WWI tanks? Did they drag them out of some museum exhibit?

I don't even want to think about how bad those might be in Late War. They're 25+ years behind the times compared to anything the Soviets would be using in 1945.

>> No.28482624


They dragged one out.

I asked Evan about it at FlamesCon, and he said that he liked the idea of it being there, even if it's only a ersatz bunker fortification.

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>> No.28482755


But I'm asking literally here, where the hell did they actually find one? And one that was still functional?

>> No.28482867

Berlin Museum.

Put enough gas in the tank to get it outside, shove MG 42s in the gun ports. Done.

>> No.28482973

And, realistically, that's not that hard. It's only 30 years old at that point, and to get the engine to move it fifty meters out into the platz, well, you could pour a bottle of schnapps into the tank and it'd manage to get that far before the engine seized.

Not saying they did, but you could. Did it with a 20 year old Hilux once. Though I think me and my mates had more alcohol in us than the ute.

>> No.28483321

Actually, now that I look into it, they probably used MG08s. Apparently a fuckton were pulled out of storage and used in Berlin.

>> No.28483494

Hey Photo, apparently you're the man to talk to about templates for making organisational diagrams.

>> No.28483647

Also to be a huge nit picky git, you can't really shove MG42s in gunports due to the side eject of the barrel, there's only the Jadgpanzer IV that had MG42s, because the design of it's gun port allowed for it.

>> No.28485021

Anyone else ever think that they'll make FoW Afghanistan, Soviets Vs The Mujahideen?

>> No.28485181


Don't see why not.

>> No.28485268

I'd imagine that's a ways off.

5 bucks says soviets will get Hen and Chicks

>> No.28485391


I don't think so. By this time they actually put radios into their tanks as standard rather than as Tacticool accessories.

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pretty sure Jordanians had radios...

>> No.28486327


Hey I think that was bullshit too. If anything, they should just be trained minus owing to the fact that they removed all the competent well trained British officers and have massively expanded their army.

>> No.28486561


Sort of, I guess. What sort of format did you want the things in? Indesign Page? .eps? .ai?

>> No.28486598

I'm not sure what those are. I'll take then anyway with my complements and thanks.

>> No.28486628

Well, if you don't know what they are, they're probably not going to work. For the most part they're layout files or vector image files.

If you want a basic template as a .jpg or something, I can do that, but it'll be nowhere near as easy to modify, is why I didn't suggest it initially.

>> No.28486696

I don't know what to say really. I'm not much into photoshop, might be time to learn.

I was just wanting to put together org charts for the CNCFOW deals.

>> No.28486719


And if the Jordanians had Ta'a cause of their 'lack of radios', you might have a point.

>> No.28486759

Yeah. Look, honestly? If you haven't got any real experience or training, it's going to waste a lot of your time figuring out stuff. Especially since changing up the "template" as such, for every unit is going to be a pain in the butt for you. It Burnt out Steelwhip throwing LWL together with basic tools, and the prettying-up i'm doing on it has taken months in my spare time, and I do this sort of thing for a living.

(Also, Photoshop is not ideal for something like this. It's Illustrator or InDesign that's the right tool for this job.)

For the time being, can I suggest just laying things out all orderly in a spreadsheet, let people play from that, and worry about the layout and images after the meat of the things all working properly?

>> No.28486775

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. I'll take your advice.

Also, irritatingly, there are no canonical mentions of either Nod or GDI employing light mortars/HMGs/Artillery Pieces. It's starting to drive me mad.

>> No.28486879

I'll be playing a game at 1250 points later this week, again with a random mission.

Does this list look reasonable to you? The plan is to Kampfgruppe 3 of the mortars and 1 Observer to get a bunch of smoke/pinning utility.

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Speaking of the CNCFOW endeavour. When it comes to the base defences, which we all love, how do people want them, do they want to have to have power plants on table, or abstract them away?

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>> No.28487745

I´d like to find reasons to put as many buildings on the table as possible.
I think Fortified companies are gonna play a large role in CNCFOW.

>> No.28487750

Oh and before I forget


>> No.28487775

Let's keep the unnecessary stuff to a minimum. No power plants, no construction yards, no factories (aside from as objectives, a construction yard could be an awesome objective). And NO resource gathering.

>> No.28487792

I was thinking Tiberium harvesting as only a objective based system, harvesters as rolling objectives, destroy the other player's score more points.

>> No.28487802

Share fixed.

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Here we go again. Hope I can save it all before he gets deleted and banned.

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>> No.28488083

They brought out pretty much anything that could put lead downrange. MG08, G98 and G88 and what not. And even then they had to give the Volkssturm weapons cobbled together from scrap metal.

Just search for Josou Musuko on Sadpanda. Saves you a lot of time, really.

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>> No.28488100

As an alternative, I'm considering this list.

Which would you guys expect to be more effective?

>> No.28488123

Damn it, if you're gonna post shota/trap hentai, at least keep it kinda related.

Like that one with MacArthur.

>> No.28488342


Instead of restoring the glory of Europe, power was handed to a bunch of bankers and commies. I know that feel, man. It's depressing.

>> No.28488800

Honestly, I'd roll with the Germans. Fearless troops are better at digging out entrenched Infantry, and the mortars are far, far more reliable that Limited Typhoons at that points level IMO.

I'd almost be tempted to say you have too much AT in both those lists fro 1250 pts. That said, If you can get a StuH in that StuG platoon it'd be golden.

>> No.28488891

Unfortunately, the SS-Panzers didn't really use StuHs in Normandy. I would have put the one I have in there otherwise.

An added bonus of using the German list is that it's almost fully painted.
I'm currently working on 4 of the mortars and 2 observer teams, which just need oak leaf pattern camo (summer), some light brown highlights on the bases and some static grass.
Apart from them, I'll only need to paint 2 infantry teams with Panzerfausts from my Scout/Tank-Hunter platoon.

>> No.28488901

Your research ability is shameful.


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>> No.28490381

Porsche tiger?

>> No.28490462

What's the logo? Slovakian?

>> No.28490468

Yep, should be Tiger (P) 003, Schwere Panzerjägerabteilung 653. Only Porsche prototype to see combat in more or less it's original configuration, as far as I know.

>> No.28491628

I think he meant of the traditional variety, not self-propelled.

>> No.28491698

Why would a highly mobile, infiltration-based army use immobile stuff?

>> No.28492129

>(Also, Photoshop is not ideal for something like this. It's Illustrator or InDesign that's the right tool for this job.)

did you say In Design?

i don't tend to wag my dick around, but i'm actually student designer. i can build websites for phones that adapt into full desktop sites, and still have gallery features. i can make PDF's that link to the motherfuckign web. i can make good looking PDF's you can fap to in my sleep. (and aside: i made the present thread's banner. and about a dozen others. in less than a minute.)

downside: I'm finishing my last semester: i haven't so much as paint my Japanese, let alone played them recently, because if i don't get a killer folio ready by Dec 5, the saturated web-design market will rape me.

once i get a level field and a steady income, I'd gladly make LWL: sexy edition.

/fowtg/ is honestly my favorite part of 4chan. but right now, i gotta pull this leech off my ass.

>> No.28492188


Mortars and HMGs aren't immobile.

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Heck, even these aren't close to immobile.

>> No.28492746

Cool story about a WWII paratrooper vet. Beer is involved:

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>He used his helmet to bring beer to the wounded soldiers
>the same one he had used as a field toilet
>woundeds' faces once they found out

>> No.28494225

They're yanks. They're used to shitty beer.

>> No.28494365

Hey now, not all of us drink lager piss. We've got some good microbrews, and I enjoy me a nice import, too.

>> No.28494404

It was a joke. Good Belgian beer + toilet = shitty beer

>> No.28494632

>It was a joke. Good Belgian beer + toilet = shitty beer

>> No.28494778

Why did he shit in his hat instead of just on the floor?

>> No.28494814

So he could then wear the hat and be a shit-head.

Hurp durp de durp da derp, derp.

>> No.28494990

Presumably because the Krauts were shelling any more appropriate Privy-spots.

>All this Toilet humour

>> No.28495065

Who gives a shit?

>> No.28495097

>sorry private, jerry has blown up every square inch of defacatable land, the only place left to take a dump is either your helmet or your boots, your choice

>> No.28495144

I'm not certain, but I'd guess so that he could take away the shit when there was a lull in the shelling, and meanwhile take a shit without leaving the safety of his foxhole.

>> No.28495149

You sound like a very short guy. Are you a midget?

>> No.28495169

[spoilers]stop shitposting u guise[/spoiler]
Anyone got more info/dox on the desperate measures book? I thought someone said he was going to be able to take pictures today?

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>/fowg/- Shitposting edition

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>Dieter, zhe Amis vhant to relieve zhemselves!
>Bombard zhem, Hans! Zhey shall not defile zhe purity of the zhe German forest!
I lost it.

>> No.28495287

dawwww the lil' leig18 is so 'dorable.
It's epic Balls as a unit, but I always find myself including them in my grenadier lists.

>> No.28495326

Only in Late War, Mid and Early: Viable AT Gun, good for smoke, and chance artillery.

>> No.28495343

Eh, it's cheap enough in most lists that if you have the spare ~70 points it's worth grabbing.

>> No.28495345

>jerry has blown up every square inch of defacatable land
Are you a bad enough dude to stop him!

11/10, my sides went to shit.

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>Presumably because the Krauts were shelling any more appropriate Privy-spots.
Sounds like theyre in deep shit.

>> No.28495719


Wow, looks like a heavy bolter.

>> No.28495810

It's a light artillery piece, actually. Though I can see where you're coming from.
Now I want to play IG converted from 28mm Germans...

>> No.28496082

I stubbed my toe on the one in bovington bashed my head in the WW1 Vickers tank.

>> No.28496620
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I guess you could say the Americans were caught with their pants down

>> No.28498069

Are British airborne infantry platoons inferior to American airborne infantry platoons?

The Americans always seem to get extra bazookas all over the place while also getting the British Gammon bombs, in addition the Americans also usually get LMGs and HMGs in their lists that can perform combat attachments while the British HMGs are their own little platoon.

>> No.28498205

Don't the British get better rules for their infantry though?

>> No.28498412

Bulldog, Carry On Sergeant, Night Attack.
17pdrs, and 6pdrs.

>> No.28498798

By a certain point in the war it seemed like every American was armed with a bazooka, while PIATs were still fairly rare among the British troops.

Not really sure why that is.

Combat attachments might also be a difference in doctrine between the two nations.

>> No.28500280

Doctrinal Difference.

Yank Airborne platoons were intended to be essentially self-contained forces, much like Armoured Rifles. Their support was mistly parachuted and comparatively light.

British Airborne doctrine intended for the Parachute troops to almost always be supplemented by gliderborne airlanding troops, and gliderborne heavy support. Hence British Aurborne had airlanded 17pdrs, Mortar carriers, Large Arty Batteries, and Tanks.

(And, let's be fair, apart from that clusterfuck in Madagascar, the Airborne Armour performed it's role adequately.)

So yeah. Vastly different airborne doctrine.

>> No.28500392

(And yes, I know about Yank Glider rifles. That's a different kettle of fish to Brit Doctrine again.)

>> No.28500531

>glider tanks

What were they using as glider tanks? Obviously it couldn't have been cromwells or shermans

>> No.28500559

They were using >>28478945 without the eyes and bow.

>> No.28500687

Tetrarchs. Purpose-designed airborne Tank.

Basically the Sheridan of WW2 except the gun wasn't such a hilarious failure.

>> No.28501314


The reason is that Battlefront don't really understand how the PIAT was employed. There's a couple of studies that collate stats from surveys by both Canadian and New Zealand officers after the war. There's probably similar surveys sitting in archives in Australia and the UK. A key part of the surveys was infantry weapon effectiveness. The Bren gun was rated as the most effective weapon with the PIAT second. Interestingly these weapons only really came into their own when the habitual British supporting weapons (arty and the Shermans 75mm) were unavailable, Winter 44/45 for the New Zealanders and the push into Germany for the Canadians (street fighting).

Battlefront ignores that the PIAT was likely just as easy to 'lose' (in order to draw another replacement) as the Bazooka. They also ignore the huge issue of the weapon at the Battalion level which meant pretty much every time you saw a Universal Carrier you could expect a PIAT. 5 DCLI conducted a nifty little ambush on The Island during Market Garden, knocking out 3 Tigers and capturing 2 more. They used PIAT's firing in groups of three, with at least three groups, easily collected from part of the Battalions transport. Kinda ridiculous that's it's impossible to get even close to that in FoW, especially when the US can take half of each platoon in Bazooka's by the Bulge.

Was the weapon unreliable and dangerous to the firer? Yes. Did your average British soldier think it was useless? Yes. Though in the hands of experienced troops it turned out to be one of the finest and most versatile infantry weapons of the second world war.



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Well, that's a helluva good looking tank.
Shame the anime is about something completely different.

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>> No.28506005

Thats because Mike Haught (the american rules writer) basically writes special rules for americans with different shoe sizes and every possible banal detail while the other guys are just presenting a rough sketch of how the unit worked. The army costumization and combo stacking possibilites of Devils Charge and Nuts! americans surpases most 40k codexes. Everybody else follows a more rigid standard.

>> No.28506138


lol 10,000. 2 Million Germans died in the immediate aftermath of the war. Most as the result of the expulsion of ethnic germans from former Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, etc. Many were as a result of the mass rapes committed by the red army, in addition a large amount of german families committed suicide rather than face a life of depression and revenge perpretrated by the occupied countries.

What makes it worse is that the major powers were well aware but acted extremely slowly to stop the process. Eventually they gave many germans sanctuary, but only after months or torment, rape, and oppression.

>> No.28506326

>Many were as a result of the mass rapes committed by the red army

Didn't the german propaganda ministry state something like this already in 1941?

>> No.28506370

Not really. The Red Army Mass-rapes of most of Germany and Eastern Europe are really thoroughly documented and verified, as a re the subsequent mass suicides.

It's some really horrible shit.

>> No.28506670

And it's too bad we didn't just shoot every last squarehead when they finally broke, then continue east doing the same until we ran out of Russians. A real wasted opportunity there.

>> No.28506982


Guess they shouldn't have voted Hitler into power.

>> No.28507022

Technically the NSDAP never reached a majority in legitimate elections.

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Does this mean we get Plastic Mark IV's?
>mfw Flames of war: The Great War

>> No.28507421

I doubt you'll be seeing a plastic kit for 1 singular WWI tank that was literally dragged out of a museum and used in only 1 battle.

>> No.28507822

>lol 10,000. 2 Million Germans died in the immediate aftermath of the war.

10,000 POWs in Western Allied hands is what I meant. I'm well aware that we let the German people starve in the years just after the war and it's an embarrassment.

>> No.28507887

Yeah, Hindenburg and von Papen tried to use him as a charismatic puppet-chancellor to unite Germany. It kind of worked.

>> No.28508009


Embarrassing, but understandable to an extent. One has to put themselves in the place of the key policy makers at the time and consider that Germany had started two world wars in living memory, resulting in the deaths of millions, including the wholesale mechanised slaughter of millions of civilians. The idea that a bit of suffering might persuade the Germans not to start another war seemed reasonable.

Besides, once the scale of the food crisis was brought to the attention of those policy makers, they moved rather quickly. Food aid started being shipped into Germany in April 1946, after all. The collapse of agriculture and the terrible winter of 46/47 didn't help matters either.

>> No.28508034

>consider that Germany had started two world wars in living memory
Strictly speaking, they didn't start the first one. One cockfaced Serbian and international politics on both sides were equally to blame.

>The idea that a bit of suffering might persuade the Germans not to start another war seemed reasonable.
You would have thought that they'd learned from Versailles that that didn't work.

>> No.28508066


From the POV of the British and Americans, the Germans sure as fuck started WW1. And they learned from Versailles that being lenient didn't work, which is why the Morganthau Plan called for the complete destruction of Germany's industry, reducing Germany to an agrarian state. This plan was mostly dropped in 1946, once people realised that they'd need to kill millions of Germans to accomplish it (and they needed those Germans to stop Stalin)

>> No.28508071

People also keep forgetting that the less insane part of the NSDAP wasn't eliminated until '32/'33.
Even though "less insane" in this case means "slightly less racist and genocidally inclined" and more "nationalist socialists".

That anon was referring to the public perception, which often was skewed enough to believe exactly that.

>> No.28508102

Not this shit again.
Also, the Morgenthau Plan was dropped by FDR himself. In '44. Within a few weeks of it's creation.

>> No.28508169


Versailles was lenient in comparison to the Morgenthau Plan, that's for sure. Which, though 'dropped' in 1944 once it was made public, was the clear inspiration for post war occupation plans, as seen in JCS-1067.

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>supporting fascist scum

>> No.28508194

"lenient" in comparison to "practical genocide"isn't strictly a good use of the word

>> No.28508221

Then why are you in this thread then you fucking Wehraboo?

You're a fucking psychopath. Besides, there's a reason why the plan for operations against Russia was called Operation Unthinkable.

Are you fucking kidding me? The lesson they learned from Versailles was that if a peace is too harsh, it just makes a future war too likely.

Which is why they established the Marshall Plan to help West Germany rebuild, of course.

>> No.28508269

JCS-1067 wasn't about dividing Germany and destroying the entire industry, though, but about simply keeping the status quo.
The reason why the Morgenthau Plan was explicitly discredited in 1946 was that it was an extremely popular subject of propaganda for Goebbels and his hate machine prior to the end of the war.
>complaining about Wehraboos in a game with playable Germans
I refuse to play any kind of SS because of certain reasons, but you're bound to have these people in a WW2 game.

>> No.28508307


No. The Marshall Plan came into play in 1947, once the people in charge realised that JCS-1067 wasn't going to work without killing 25 million Germans and crashing the entire European economy. There was an explicit change of policy, spurred on by Stalin being a dick in Eastern Europe.

>> No.28508346


I wouldn't quite say that JCS-1067 called for keeping the status quo. It was less extreme than the Morgenthau Plan, that's certain, but it still called for large scale de-industrialisation.

>> No.28508349

>You're a fucking psychopath. Besides, there's a reason why the plan for operations against Russia was called Operation Unthinkable.

Indeed. At the time, we were allies. And while Stalin might have been quiet about it, or stubborn, they were quite thankful for the Lend-Lease program. It was probably one of the few times in history EVER, where the US and Russia actually got along amiably. Hell the lend-lease shermans they were receiving had packages tucked away for the tank crews that included blankets, whiskey, and other goods. Operation Unthinkable had a very accurate name for it's time. The cold-war's differences in government, both sides being equally afraid that the other would corrupt their system, was what eroded the friendship.

>> No.28508384

>I refuse to play any kind of SS because of certain reasons, but you're bound to have these people in a WW2 game.
Of course. Just like you're bound to have the 'Murrica Stronk' guys, the Commie lovers, Weeaboo freaks, or complete Anglophile.

>> No.28508404

Considering how the industry was in shambles, de-industrialisation wasn't really needed. It was more or less "keep Hans alive but don't be nice to him".
Exactly. Yet somehow Wehraboos are offensive to some people.

>> No.28508449

So, /fowg/, how did you guys choose your nation/company? Rules, miniatures, personal nationality/history or did you just pick what looked cool to you?

>> No.28508476


Well, my family's personal history during the war was working in the chemical industry, so naturally I went with the Germans.

>> No.28508483

Most of my Finn lists because Panssari is a challenge.

All my other lists like KG Swoboda, Airborne Armoured Recce and Vanatori Motorisata because they're silly, hilarious fun and infuriate the hyper-competitive 40K immigrants.

>> No.28508513

Very subtle there, Anon.

>> No.28508521

To be fair, all of those are offensive to some people. The Wehraboos just offend more people because of the whole "WW2 Germany iz bad!" shtick, when in reality the Heer forces weren't really that 'bad' per say. Hell there was a documented case near the end of the war where German Heer soldiers joined up with American soldiers, to fight off SS troops intent on murdering captured French political dignitaries. I'm not even fucking joking about this bizarre fight.

Personally, I'm alright with anyone no matter what nation in WW2 they like... so long as they don't go over overboard with it and wear commissar or SS uniforms, or spout fucking bullshit about how their favorite nation was the "true good guys" or "were right". It was fucking war. War is horrible, and nobody's hands are ever clean.

>> No.28508555

>Exactly. Yet somehow Wehraboos are offensive to some people.

Because Nazis. That's all there is too it.

Overly enthusiastic WWII German Military enthusiasts are often seen as border-line white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

And yet people often forget that you can admire weapons technology, uniforms, tactics, etc without supporting the ideology behind them.

>> No.28508575

I chose Russia because I wanted to play an allied list, wanted tanks, and didn't know anything about the Eastern Front (hooray for high quality WW2 high school education!). So I used it as an excuse to play something I knew next to nothing about, except that Stalingrad was fucking bloody... and that the Soviets had some ugly looking tanks.

Other possibles were Japan, but there was nothing for them at the time. And Britain, a very close second. I may still do a Britain force one day, but I've pretty much sworn myself to eventually making an American list in honor of my grandfather, who served during the war.

>> No.28508609

Yet you don't see people accusing, let's call them Commieboos of supporting shit like the Holodomor, the Great Purge or whatever atrocity Stalin chose to commit this week.

It's like people keep forgetting the Wehrmacht consisted of every single German male above 18 (later 16) to 30, regardless of what they though about the Nazis.

>> No.28508619

I chose my US Paratroopers for several reasons.

Partially because I greatly enjoyed the Band of Brothers miniseries, partially because I admired their real history, and partially because people told me Veteran infantry were a smart choice for a beginning list.

I chose my Panzer Lehr because I was also considering a German Panzer list when I first got into the game. So about 2 years after I started playing FoW I went back and started a German panzer list as well.

>> No.28508702

I don't know, I get accused of being a 'commie loving bastard' at times...

I chalk it down to how everyone automatically associates WW2 Germany with Nazis. And you're right, not all of them were 'bad'. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with appreciating some of the technological advances Germany made during WW2, or loving their tanks, or weaponry. Having seen some of their legendary vehicles in person, there is certainly an awe-inspiring presence about standing before one of the last remaining Tiger 1s, or one of the 80-something Jagdtigers ever made. But some people do take that appreciation a *bit* too far.

Disclaimer: Grog is not in support of the Great Purge, or many of the atrocities Stalin committed. However he does think Stalin just needed a hug.

>> No.28508711


>But some people do take that appreciation a *bit* too far.

Have you honestly ran into many of those people though? Because I've yet to.

>> No.28508768

It doesn't help when the History Channel kept turning out 'documentaries' where they keep going on about how super-special-awesome German gear was to the point you wonder how the Allies won the war.

(A clue:it wasn't just the weight of numbers, although that did play a part).

well, unfortunately the Wehrmacht were a fairly visible extension of the Nazi regime, despite what the men on the ground thought. And unfortunately there were Heer who were party to warcrimes, just there were Allied soldiers who were too (and not just the soviets-it happened on the Western Front as well, although certainly not on the same scale and not as publicised).

I mean, the best tank ace of the war was Kurt Knispel and he was Wehrmacht and a pretty cool guy in general and you never even fucking hear about him, instead it's all about fucking Wittmann (who nobody at least on the Allied side even heard of until Villers-Bocage when Goebbels starting using it as an example of German superiority-great job on perpetuating Nazi propaganda, historians).

Of course then you get people like this: >>28481612 I think we can all agree this sort of thing is douchebag behaviour.

They crop up a lot in World of Tanks, unsurprisingly. Usually bitching that their Panzers aren't the invincible murder machines that the Hitler Channel told them they were. Because usually strategy is beyond their grasp.

>> No.28508784


It's fair to point out that they usually are also extremely shallow when talking about the weaknesses of the Germans as well, just as much as when they discuss their strengths.

>> No.28508792

Not to the 'way over the top' extent, thankfully. But Steelwhip can verify one of the guys we played with would show up wearing shirts that had German army logos on them, and he really (really) loved his German tanks. The guy was really nice, but it did make me feel a little bit uncomfortable at times.

>> No.28508796


>World of Tanks

I agree with your other points, but there's a good reason why there's fuck all Germans in clan matches.

>> No.28508827


Is that really unreasonable though? If he wasn't political or fond of shitting on everyone else, there's nothing wrong with a WW2 themed shirt and an otaku-like (or perhaps historical gamer like) fasination with a subset of it.

>> No.28508855

That's because Knispel wasn't exactly on good footing with the party, what with him being extremely laid-back and violationg military procedure a ton of times.
The WoT bitching is mostly a relic from the earlier days of the game, where the soviet bias was actually present due to game mechanics. By now it's just idiots repeating what other people told them.

>> No.28508869

No, of course not. Which is why it wasn't really much of a problem most of the time. There were a few cases though where a shirt he would wear had an SS logo on it.

Again, nothing wrong with the guy. He was really nice, though quiet. The one player we did have problems with was one of the overly competitive "those guys" that bends or misinterprets rules to his favor, had no charisma or personality, and ultimately was quite unenjoyable to game with.

>> No.28508898

I once played a match against someone that insisted on wearing a black crusher cap, though without any insignia. Made me uncomfortable as shit, that guy.

>> No.28508931


I play WoT casually, but much of the problems with German stuff doesn't exist now. Except the Tiger 1e. In my opinion, it really should be a Tier 6. Though some of the weakspots on German tanks leave me scratching my head at times, it's no different than the weakspots on other tanks. I'm sure AT-2 drivers really hate it when they take round after round to the cupola.

The biggest problems I really see with WoT, is the KV-1s really should not have the 122mm, and those damnable cloaked Hellcats throwing rounds off you at 200m range...

>> No.28509018

During the early beta it was pretty bad. It was basically impossible to shoot moving tanks from a distance because of bad netcode and hit detection, especially if you had slow gun traverse. For some time, the penetration stats were completely fucked up, too, with guns having values based on different testing angles.
Oh, and my personal favourite: Counting the entire space alotted to crew members for criticals. Which meant that Soviet tanks, which had less space for their crew ro sit in had smaller chances of getting critted.

>> No.28509034

I almost forgot the problem of the shitty spotting system, which meant tanks regularly went invisible while crossing open fields like on Malinovka.
I really don't miss the early beta.

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I started with Brits because they had 17pdr's and at the time that was one of the few things in the allied arsenal that could hurt those fucking Panthers and Tigers. Soviets were too expensive (all those models!!!) and Axis just felt kind of weird (because of the you know, Nazis). Might have started off with Americans but at the time aside from decent artillery and bazooka spam didn't have a lot going for them in comparison to Brits.

I've since sold off all my British for Germans. Its more fun being the bad guy.

>> No.28509100

I originally wanted to play a Division Blau list (which my family supported during the war), but, found out it played pretty much the same as a Panzgrendadier list but a bit more defensive; that and the color scheme is pretty much the same as the standard German colors but with a Falangist armband.

My local meta is ALL GERMAN or ALL AMERICAN so I wanted to learn about the Axis minor powers. By the power of /tg/, I became a Hungaraboo.

I'm going to sit out the Six-Days War, but, I play PVA regulars in 'Nam, and I'm looking at ROK forces for Korea.

>> No.28509102

Yeah, but those kinks all got worked out. There were also matches where you'd see someone jump into solo queue with a Tier 1, and end up against Tiers far beyond it.

Compared to where it was, there isn't as much problems now. And the whole 'Russian bias' bit doesn't really apply anymore. Even after the accuracy patch, Russian tanks still have shit accuracy and piss-poor penetration. You don't even get HEAT until late-tiers, whereas the chinese IS-2 gets HEAT (Soviet IS has the older front end and APCR). Having played Soviet tanks, 'aiming for weakspots' is usually more of a 'pray it doesn't scatter at all' unless you're right on top of them.

>> No.28509117

The spotting system is still kinda shitty, due in no small part to the small maps. And the fucking cloaking Hellcats. Good god those are some bullshit. You never see a Hellcat without 100% Camo skilled crew, and Camo netting.

>> No.28509177

See >>28508855. I know that the game is somewhat balanced by now (doesn't stop Wargaming from accidentaly creating FotM tonks though).
It's nowhere near as bad as it used to be, especially after the recent bush nerf.

>> No.28509211

True. But I'll still get sniped off by Hellcats from within like 400m, only to see them finally appear when a light zooms up and is right on top of them.

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they guy doesnt wear "Arbeit macht Frei" shirts or anything..but yeah..did have several SS divisional shirts and the ocassional Deaths Head tshirt and he ALWAYS plays SS Panther lists so thats always a bit offsetting. but other than that very nice quiet polite guy

I play germany for several reasons
1)All my life I have always been willing to play OpFor in any game I have ever done. Cause OpFor is seen as the 'bad guys' and most people want to play the 'good guys'. In WWII games playing OpFor means playing Germany. so I have always just naturally fell right into playing germany in any WWII game. I also usually end up playing Warsaw Pact forces in any 'Cold war gone hot' scenario-not because I have any like of the soviets (that godless communist Grog will attest to that), but because they are OpFor.
2) Germans lost the war so there is a bit of a fascination with "What If". I have a feeling of acheivment when I do win with a force that historically lost. This goes along with enjoying playing the losers. hell I played a Custer force one time in a recreation battle of Little Big Horn, played the Zulus several times in
3)Germany had some bad ass uniforms. I dont care what anyone says. They went to war in STYLE

And I have never played an SS list. all my lists are Herr infantry lists. The poor bloody foot sloggers.

>I get accused of being a 'commie loving bastard' at times...
thats cause ya are a godless commie, ya godless commie!

>The one player we did have problems with was one of the overly competitive "those guys" that bends or misinterprets rules to his favor, had no charisma or personality, and ultimately was quite unenjoyable to game with.

also know as a typical 40k player. guy is a nightmare to be around.

>> No.28509375

>implying Germany, rather than individual men of all nations were the bad guys of ww2
I shiggedydiggedydoo

>> No.28509418
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I might do a Polish Armoured Division and paint them up Polandball style.

>> No.28509440

>>28508898 here, the problem with these people is that even though they're generally sympathetic towards you specifically, they can still be racist arseholes.
And they'll still be nice as shit to you. Even though they pull shit like saying "I bet the jews did this!" when rolling 1s (and still wearing that fucking crusher cap).
To this day I do not know whether that guy was fucking with me because I'm German or if that's how he plays every game. Or if he just roleplays his companies. Really, most uncomfortable and confusing game I ever played.
The bad guys were certainly in control of Germany. That much is pretty much undeniable.
>using tanks

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>> No.28509541

Leave it to Polan to be proud of a light tank concept that will never be mass produced.

>> No.28509553

Even the nazis had their good and bad guys, the bad being somewhat more famous than good for obvious reasons

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Looks sexy as all fuck though.

>> No.28509579

Ok, a Polandball army would be kind of funny.

That said, there were Polish divisions amongst the Soviets. Their tanks had the Polish eagle on them, and the Poland Red/White square.

>> No.28509592

Sure, but are you going to deny that the uppermost echelons consisted of genocidal maniacs and psychopaths? Same with the Soviet Union, really.

>> No.28509608

Wasn't there some really famous polish TV show about a T-34 crew and their tank named Rudy or something?

>> No.28509621



there actually is, holy fuck

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There were also Polish armored divisions in UK army too.



And don't get me started on No. 303 Polish Fighter Squadron that fought in Battle of Britain.

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I'll tell you about someone like that.

Me. I worship machines. Especially machines of war. And I just so happen to prefer the German style of such machines.

That said, it has very little to do with Nazi ideology. (Pic related)

>> No.28509781

Yeah, I knew they went to Britain as well.

On the Soviet side, their equipment had the Polish eagle icon. Here's some links for the markings, if anyone's interested. I may have considered painting some stuff up with Polish markings... maybe... Their markings look pretty cool.


>> No.28509804

That's pretty cool. Makes sense where that 'Rudy' insignia in World of Tanks comes from.

>> No.28509826

1550 EW, Jaakari Company.
2 Command Rifle Teams
2 Snipers

9 Man FV platoon, 1 Close Defense Rifle
9 Man FV platoon, 1 Close Defense Rifle

3 81mm mortar tubes with spotter
2 Lahti AT rifles, close defense command team
2 PaK 36s.

3 BT-5s, 2 BT-7s, all with tank escourts
5 Vickers 6-Ton

9 man Sissi Platoon, 3 Close Defense Rifle teams.

Alternatively, I can drop the Sissis and get a 10 man Pioneer platoon, upgrade the 36s to 45s, and pick up an extra 2 close defense teams for the Lahtis.


>> No.28509862

Interesting design. Has a bit of a sci-fi feel to it.

>> No.28509909

Supposedly it's full of high tech stealth bullshit. But since they only made a mockup so far, nobody, not even the Polish army tested it so far.

>> No.28509943

>I originally wanted to play a Division Blau list (which my family supported during the war)

I'm starting to work on a Blue Division army. My family is all leftist to some degree (moderate to anarchist) and some of them fought on the republican side, but my great uncle was taken prisoner during the civil war and later told he'd be let out if he volunteered for the Blue Division. He did, and he made it back after seeing some crazy stuff and freezing his balls off.

I've always been more into vehicles though, so I'll have to create a second army at some point. I'd like to go Italian if my gaming group is into mid-war. The P26/40 is beautiful.

>> No.28510016

IIRC Churchill really, really wanted to punch the Russians in the face after Germany was defeated. Or at least rush to Berlin before the Soviets got there and use it as leverage to boot them out of Europe politically.

Obviously that wasn't very popular, but he got voted back in to office in the 50's when everyone realised he was right all along.

>> No.28510058

Not really, Churchill barely gained a majority after promising to continue labour policies. Hell, he even offered a dissolution of the western and eastern blocs in exchange for a unified european defense alliance to the Soviets after Stalin died.

>> No.28510067

Yeah, Churchill wasn't a fan of Communism at all, and didn't like how Stalin moved in with Germany and carved up Poland early on. But IIRC it was Patton who really wanted to go punch out Stalin. Churchill was pretty much out of the game by the time Berlin was underway.

>> No.28510089

I thought it was Patton that stopped the whole 'rush in and nab Berlin before the Soviets do' plan?

>> No.28510149

No, Patton didn't like it that the Soviets were going to take Berlin. Eisenhower was the one to hold him back.

>> No.28510343

Maybe it's just me, but this guy seems to have done a better job with the 6-day War than Battlefront.

>> No.28510516

>You're a fucking psychopath. Besides, there's a reason why the plan for operations against Russia was called Operation Unthinkable.

Why so anti-white, anti-American, kid? Can't handle the cruel truth about what would have been the best course for the future of mankind?

Animals have no right to opinions. You and the rest of your subhuman slav kind are a blight on earth that continues to exist only because our white parents had a moment of mercy. Truth be told, a nuclear winter would be preferrable to your continued existence.

>> No.28510584

lol. As a non-white guy, I gotta say Slavs look like the whitest of whites to me.

>> No.28510592

Cool story Wehraboo - take it to /pol/. We're here to discuss miniatures not your concept of untermenschen.

>> No.28510613

0/10, zu offensichtlich.

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Chose Hungarians because /tg/ never shut up about them. Ended up buying way more than I should have but that got me reading about what they did and then I bought more Hungarians and the horrible process snowballed.

Got an American 3rd armored company as well in a trade, not sure if I'll hang onto it or trade/sell it though.

Also have Open Fire for both sides, might turn them into poles and a sturmkompanie.

>And yet people often forget that you can admire aeapons, technology, uniforms, tactics, etc without ever supporting the ideology behind them.

Pic related, Lemmy has a ton of Nazi memorabilia purely because he thinks its interesting. In his words [on if he was a nazi for collecting nazi memorabilia] "I've had 6 black girlfriends, I'm the worst Nazi ever!"

I think we could all learn a little lesson from Mr.Killmeister

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>> No.28510753

I don't really see why people claim German tanks are bad, the 36.01, the Tiger II, the panther, the Hetzer, StuG III, and several other tanks can do great if you play them right. They are nowhere near as point and click as American tanks are though, that's for sure.

>> No.28510835

I think a lot of it has to do with the Tier brackets. In smaller game clan matches, the Hetzer is one tier too high, otherwise it is a damned good TD. In mid-tier matches, 6 is the highest, and Hellcats far outstrip every other TD in existence. While the 122mm on the KV-1s is completely ridiculous for it's tier, even with a heinous reload.

>> No.28510960


Germans get shat on by the MM. So often you'll be up against Russian tanks that will basically never be bounced by your armour, but have the guns to hurt you every time.

The only real advantage you have is that your guns tend to be on average slightly more accurate, but at closer ranges that's basically irrelevant anyway, and the game favours Alpha Strike style damage which the Russians have always been better at.

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You know stormfront is hard pressed for members when they're resorting to trolling /tg/

yes, I know its the same guy that did all the derailing shitposts over anime. Just wanted to crack a joke

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>> No.28510999

I don't play EW or Finns but it looks solid.

The only thing you're missing is arty from what I can tell. Do the Finns have any good arty options?

>> No.28511133


That poor kitten's going to have so many NSA cameras installed.

>> No.28511139

Guys, I made the mistake of going onto the GHQ website and browsing through their stuff.

Now I have an uncontrollable urge to make like 8 different armies with GHQ minis since they're so cheap. I don't even care that they're 6mm, I just want them so bad...

>> No.28511154

>So often you'll be up against Russian tanks that will basically never be bounced by your armour, but have the guns to hurt you every time.

MM hates us all. And I can tell you from personal experience that the feeling's mutual in that regard... My guns can't hit shit accurately, have long(er) reloads, and tend to have poor penetration value against anything their tier or higher. The exceptions to that are highly notable ones, such as the fucking god-hammer ISU with it's ridiculous grind to the top gun, or the KV-1s which does feel like cheating sometimes.

Again, primary issue I see with German tanks is the Tiger 1e should be a Tier 6. The Porsche variant and Tiger 2 are both pretty much fine. And German tanks always make far better snipers than the Russian ones. Even the Russian TDs can't aim for weakspots worth shit.

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>> No.28511228

Hey guys, which German vehicles were ever used against the Germans, not counting captured ones? In other words, vehicles sold to minor powers that then switched sides. I'm thinking Panzer III Ausf. N and Panzer 38(t)... probably Pz. IV and StuGs as well, but I wouldn't know which versions. Did Bulgaria turn? What about Slovakia?

>> No.28511294

I know Romania got Pz IVs and StuGs. Though I don't know if the ones they received were ever used against Germany.

>> No.28511302


Finns would have had some tanks when they turned against the Germans.

>> No.28511319

Hungaria's tank corps was almost completely annhilated by the Soviets though, wasn't it?
StuG III Gs, I suppose.

>> No.28511339

I have a buddy who has the ENTIRE 1940 GrossDeutschland regiment on a one for one basis using GHQs micro armor. GHQ-cheap quality crack for wargamers

>> No.28511352

Damn, thats scary

>> No.28511354

Aren't StuGs the main ones the Finns got? I know you can run a StuG list for Finland, as well as their hodge-podge mess of Soviet tanks.

>> No.28511377

Don't know about Romania, but Hungary was pretty much shattered completely when they surrendered. I don't think they switched sides, but they might have had a few surviving German tanks.

In any case, I know you can run a Romanian tank list as allies, and support it with T-34s.

>> No.28511418

Nigga the Tiger at tier 7 the way it is now is OP as FUCK.

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>> No.28511434

Are you talking the Heneschel, or Porsche? The Porsche one is a 7. But unless they recently did something to buff the Tiger 1e, I don't think it's deserving of 7.

>> No.28511437

iv ebeen following hois progress for a while

and yes..his stuff is better than what BF has done

at least from the rules standpoint

some of his stats are just WAY off

>> No.28511452

I always wondered, is FoW playable at 6mm?

Any since we're already talking about WoT, how hyped is everyone here for War Thunder tonks?

>> No.28511457

Have you seen the rate of fire on the Henschel?
This nigga brawls it out with an IS and comes out on fuckin top. It is the single best tank at tier 7.

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I know they had remnant forces that fought alongside the Germans till the end of the war. A few of their assault gun and infantry units kept fighting up until May, but they were more an attachment to German units as opposed to being an independent force.

I've never heard anything about Hungarians switching sides and to be honest I doubt it would happen on any largescale basis. By the time the Soviets could have organized sympathetic troops the war would have been over.

dammit man I need reasons to KEEP me from buying minis! You're only making this worse.

I know Ill regret this, but hows their infantry?

>> No.28511471

Of course it is. Just use the inch measurements in centimeters (for smaller tables) or use them as-is if you want more realistic ranges.

>> No.28511477

>some of his stats are just WAY off
The IS-3 looks way off to me. I know we went a bit high with it on LWL, but 15 front is a little ridiculous.

On the flip side, you can't run an army of the IS-3s, and I like how he broke down all the lists better.

>> No.28511480

GHQ infantry is surprisingly good for 6mm.
To the point where ammo belts have individually recognizable cartridges in them.

>> No.28511489

>not knowing the difference between Neo-Nazis and National Socialists

are you niggas serious

>> No.28511491

I don't see why it wouldn't be.

It doesn't matter what size the tonk is, it still moves the same rate each turn, has the same weapons range, etc.

GHQ also apparently has their own rules system, which I'm very tempted to check out. Apparently its supposed to be a quick, fun little ruleset to use with your minis.

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well crap, I guess I know what I'm spending my Christmas shekels on now...

>> No.28511517

I was actually wondering about the latter, mostly to have something I can take with me wihin a few boxes when I'm on the road.

>> No.28511531

Though, I must admit, fielding entire Divisions sounds... tempting.

>> No.28511536

Take care, the latter does change balance because you'll get effectively more cover per square unit of ingame measurement. This means that the game now favors units balanced around shorter effective range.

>> No.28511546

Yeah, if you're using the 7.5cm, it's ROF is heinous. Otherwise the 8.8 has a solid ROF, but it's still better as a ranged sniper. Brawling it out, and ducking in and out of cover, isn't where many of the German tanks excel.

>> No.28511573

On a regular 180x120cm/6'x4' table, you can easily field 6000-8000 points per side if you use the inch measurements in centimeters (32" range becomes 32cm range instead of 80cm).
Thats a solid 4 companies per player (or 4 players per side).

You have no idea what you're talking about. The RoF allows you to fire two shots for every one of the opponent, making you rather dangerous in corner fights when its not too busy.

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same here. I also like the idea of having a couple of bunker boxes in my coat pocket and being able to wargame it up wherever I'm at.

Food taking too long at fancy french restaurant? Time to reenact the flanking of the Maginot line! Except instead of massive bunkers there's croissants and instead of hills there's cutlery and napkins.

>mfw when waiter comes back

>> No.28511601

And Wiking was a glorified volksturm unit.

>> No.28511606

Let me tell you though that transporting 6mm comes with some difficulties, especially if like me you refuse to glue the turrets to the tanks.
Barrels like to bend if the models are jumbled around, you see. Theyre fine under normal use but transport requires great care. Magnets can only do so much if you put them in your pocket.

>> No.28511608

oh the lists themselves are great...even has seperate lists for the Jordanian 40th Armored and 3rd infantry

but an AT of 14 for a 75mm? thats way to silly. and the ROF of the AMX 13 is way off..but we have debated that to death in another thread.

>GHQ also apparently has their own rules system, which I'm very tempted to check out. Apparently its supposed to be a quick, fun little ruleset to use with your minis.
its not really. Ive got both the historic and the modern and the rule systems are-at best-ok..but the list breakdowns are gawd awful horid.

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So much bait in this thread...

>> No.28511623

Havent seen that one before.
Who makes these goddamn images, theyre hilarious

>> No.28511672

Yeah, but the damage output on the 7.5 is pretty low. The top 8.8 dishes out some solid damage, but what really carries the Tiger 1 against Tier 7s is it's massive health pool. Otherwise it's damage is fairly moderate, where many other tanks are pushing 400+ damage a shot.

>> No.28511726

I don't know, but I fucking love the 'bait' ones.

>> No.28511822

Did they ever make arty playable again and not just a random shot in the dark?

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>> No.28511895

that's what I was going to use these for http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/bb1.html

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>Zrinyi II's
>on sale
>[Huszar intensifies]

I could own more Zrinyí II's than what ever existed in real life for under a $100

>> No.28512400


They should impose a limit: 66 per customer.

>> No.28512448

But then what about those who want to run a 'What If Hungary produced 30,000 Zrinyi II's' scenario?

>> No.28512888

Nikkuh WTF do you keep cunting about on that 7.5?




srsly. Tiger is OP as FUCK. Noob.

>> No.28512962

Calm down. You sound like a Siemka right now.

>> No.28513387

>favoring the KwK 36 L/56 with it's 220damage and 132mm pen, over the KwK 43 L/71 with it's 240damage and 203mm pen.

>> No.28513624

>hurrdurr how play tigger
>youre a noob
>you sound like a siema
ehrrr, right?

>> No.28513627

Can you guys take this World of Tanks stuff to /v/?

And the 6mm stuff to it's own thread maybe?

It's a different take on the Six Day War. Not entirely sure if it's a better take on it than Fate of a Nation, but it's still interesting.

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>> No.28513668

I'm not even the Anon you responded to. I'm just saying that you sound like one, what with the caps lock and insults.

>> No.28513703

>im totally not a samefag
>No sireee, not me

>> No.28513744

we're at 288 replies. just make a new thread while this one goes down the crapper

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Anyone making a new thread soon?

>> No.28513776

He's not.

And he's right. Caps Lock and Insults makes you look like a 40% WR scub.

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55.2 on 11.3k fights.
You ignorants are the reason the game is often so shit.

>> No.28513950

>insult other people for no reason
>claim they are the problem

Can we talk about FoW now, please?

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>no reason

>> No.28513989

Yes, you seem like the average WoT player alright.

>> No.28514015

I see. It's a shame all the average wot players always use that same line. As if they themselves dont realise their own stupidity.

I guess that's the point of stupidity.

>> No.28514102

You can call me stupid all you want, you're only reinforcing my point.

So, /tg/, what are you most excited for regarding Desperate Measures? I'm pretty stoked for Hero Tankovy and the Enjoy the War rule for the Jerries.

>> No.28514223

I'm interested in the Hero formations, and yet another Soviet Self Propelled Artillery list.

I still think it's funny that the hero lists are continuing the "Half-Assed Veterans" approach they went with on the Udarny. But I'll take what I can get. I just wish the Hero Tankovy allowed for Lend-Lease Sherman formations, too.

>> No.28514234

Suppose I should make a new thread, since we're at the 295+ mark.

>> No.28514250

>Hero Tankovy

I honestly see this becoming the new bandwagon list. Everybody is going to be playing non-H&C T-34/85s. Especially with the new plastic T-34 kit that's comming out.

>> No.28514291

Probably. I'm mostly excited for Hero Tankvoy because it means no more Hen&Chicks bitching.

On that note, what would be the best counter against T-34 spam? I was thinking something like the Grey Wolf Sturmkompanie or something ridiculous like KG Swoboda.

>> No.28514369

New thread up.

Sorry... I... I had to. It was calling to me.

>> No.28514398

It won't be spam in Hero lists. The T-34 Hero platoons are 4 tanks each like most other non-Soviet tank platoons.

>> No.28514466

Honestly most people here are avoiding hero lists and taking 30 t-34s instead.

>> No.28514581

Gotta agree with Eagles, here:

Hero lists definitely won't be spam. You're looking at around 13 T-34s counting CiC, with support elements (also in limited numbers). It'll look more like an American or British trained Tank list. But with 'half-assed veteran' rating of Trained & 3+ to all Skill Tests.

Should be a nice and interesting change of pace for Soviets, to say the least. But I don't think it's going to be that much of a bandwagon setup. I think it's going to come down a choice of fielding Soviet Tanks the massive numbers of a company level with H&C, or fielding a somewhat more elite platoon level without. I think the Medium Assault Gun list is going to be brutal, though.

>> No.28514822

See >>28514450.

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