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>Ghostcrusher became legend due to the horrific deeds enacted on Craftworld Ila-Manesh. In 326.M33 a huge warband of the Night Lords descended from the darkness of the Warp on a mission of revenge. Their aim was simply to eradicate the world’s spirit stones, many of which had previously been stolen from the crone world of Aesyl-Sar. While delivering justice for this past Eldar sin, the Night Lords unleashed several Defilers. One of these, Ghostcrusher, stood out as a particularly savage machine beast. The Daemon Engine spearheaded a Night Lords assault upon the Shrine of Eldanesh, incinerating ancient tomes, crushing sacred totems, destroying spirit stones and burning the Guardians who attempted to prevent the desecration. So thorough were the Night Lords in their assault on Ila-Manesh that they left the craftworld a tomb, with no artifacts and no living Eldar remaining.


Requesting a count of all dead craftworlds, /tg/

>> No.28017310

That one, Malantai, the one destroyed by the Invaders chapter. Those are all I know from the 41st millennium. In addition, Space Wolves destroyed one before the Heresy, and lots of them were destroyed during the Fall when they failed to outrun the psychic shock wave of Slaanesh's birth.

>> No.28017552

>>28017310
That makes 5 confirmed dead craftworlds.

You forgot the one Heartslayer destroyed using the form of a possessed avatar.

>> No.28017577

kinda sucks that the craftworlders are such punching bags tbh. i'd prefer it if they spread it out a bit more. the effect is kind of dulled when everyone and their midly senile grandmothers can burn a craftworld to the ground with no survivors.

>> No.28017602

Can we include Iyanden?

That Craftworld is 3/4 dead already.

>> No.28017685

>>28017310

>the one destroyed by the Invaders chapter

Idharae. Second only to Malan-tai in shitty luck. Alaitoc got back at those nigs though. I'm pretty sure it's the only thing Alaitoc ever achieved.

>>28017602

>Including a craftworld that regularly kicks the shit out of chaos, marines, Necrons and IG as dead.

Death didn't stop them ruining anuses. Yriel stronk.

>> No.28017954

>>28017121
Source plz.

>> No.28017982

>>28017121
And then that niggers ask why we have so many aspect shrines.
And then they are already dead and can't ask anything more.

>> No.28018040

>>28017954
Defilers, Index Chaotica.

>> No.28018049

>>28018040
Thanks.

>> No.28018062

>>28017121
It looks pretty similar to that helbrute stomping sisters shrine world.

>> No.28018074

>>28017685
>Death didn't stop them ruining anuses. Yriel stronk

SOON!

>> No.28018092

>>28018074
I would laugh at that bitch if Yriel would suddenly return in the mantle of the Laughing God and slap her shit before she could accomplish the ritual.

>> No.28018242

>>28018074

Iyanna got dem Dragon Balls. Except she gonna wish niggas dead.

>> No.28018253

>>28018242

ALMOST THERE GOKU.

>> No.28018266

>>28017577
How are Craftworlds punching bags? IF you compare them to 'Nids incursions or Ork WAAGHS the craftworlds are so rarely attacked that they're comparable to a drop of water to an ocean.

>> No.28018274

>>28018092
>>28018242
>>28018253
What is this nonsense? Yriel and Iyanna won't be the salvation of the Eldar.

It is ,I , Illic Nightspear who will be the savior of the Eldar!

>> No.28018281

>>28017121
Source on this?

>> No.28018282

>>28018274

Welp, there goes this thread. Do you even sleep or do you just stay awake for every eldar thread on /tg/?

>> No.28018287

>>28018281
You

see

>>28018040

>> No.28018290

>>28017982

Bitches don't know about our Swordwind, cuz dead bitches don't talk.

>> No.28018330

>>28018266
Yeah, more Craftworlds need to be destroyed.

>>28017310

According to an old article in WD, Craftworlds destroyed other craftworlds in conflicts over mining rights and resources.

So this raises a question. Why happens top spiritstones of the vanquished? Will the victorious Craftworld grave-rob the fallen?

>> No.28018339 [DELETED] 

>>28017982

Bitches don't know bout our Swordwind. 10 marine chapters can suck our elite dicks

>>28018092

Why would Yriel stop Ynead? Surely the dead merging with the living is pretty cool. NOW EVERYONE CAN BE AN EXARCH.

>> No.28018342

>>28018266
Yeah, more Craftworlds need to be destroyed.

>>28017310

According to an old article in WD, Craftworlds destroyed other craftworlds in conflicts over mining rights and resources.

So this raises a question. What happens to the spiritstones of the vanquished? Will the victorious Craftworld grave-rob the fallen?

>> No.28018346

>>28018092

Why would Yriel stop Ynead? Surely the dead merging with the living is pretty cool. NOW EVERYONE CAN BE AN EXARCH.

>> No.28018357

>>28018282
My vigilance is eternal. I have transcended the limitations of flesh.

I AM METAL. I AM FOREVER. I.AM.SWAG!

>> No.28018374

>>28018266
Mainly because every time eldar come up and a craft world is mentioned it gets mercilessly raped into the dirt

Waaghs and mid incursions cause horrific damage before being put down

>> No.28018381

>>28018374
Eldar put up a valiant struggle before succumbing.

Sop it balances out.

>> No.28018395

>>28018374

Pretty much every faction has killed a craftworld and an Avatar. You think GW would be more sparing with Eldar considering the dying race angle. I guess Nids and Orks can't do ALL the xeno jobbing.

>> No.28018408

>>28018395
Tau, Orks, and Necrons didn't kill either a Craftworld or an avatar.

Chin up, long ears.

>> No.28018430

>>28018408

Well sheeit, I was sure Orks had one or two.

>> No.28018442

>>28018430
The only noteworthy thing the Orks did to the Eldar is defeating a Warhost of craftworlders defending an Exodite world and then enslaving the tribal Eldar of that world.

>> No.28018467

>>28017602
Remember when Nids were scary Because they almost destroyed a craftworld?

>> No.28018489

>>28018467
Remember when the Orks were scary Because they almost destroyed a Space Marine Chapter?

>> No.28018495

>>28018467
you mean blindly floating around looking for food? man, chaos and warpstorms must hamper the nids. especially with the ability to move planets around, and in and out of reality. must piss em off

>> No.28018497

>>28018342
seeing how now Craftworld and Dark Eldar see fighting each other over the webway as too much of a waste in lives, its save to say that's non-cannon

>>28018395
Phil Kelly said their dying race angel was retarded and changed it to "fallen shadow of their former selves"

>> No.28018509

>>28018467
>>28018489
Times (power levels) change.

>> No.28018530

>>28018430
They didn't destroy it...
THEY LOOTED IT! WAAAAGH!

>> No.28018533

>>28018497
>Each Craftworld is independent and conducts its own affairs and wages its own wars. Craftworlds do sometimes ally together to face a common threat, or to achieve a common objective, but such alliances are usually temporary and have no lasting significance. Of course, all Eldar are united by a common culture and racial identity, but that means little when it comes to defending the interests of their own particular Craftworld. Wars between one Craftworld and another are certainly not uncommon. Such wars are almost always fought over a locally disputed world, or colonising and mining interests. Such conflicts grow out of local disputes, and are usually resolved within a short time. For one Craftworld to actually assault and attempt the destruction of another would be regarded as a terribly wasteful and purposeless enterprise. Although such calamitous events have happened in the past they are not common.

Nope, it's canon. However, it isn't common.

>> No.28018541

GW needs to introduce more Craftworlds, if only as footnotes.

Because only having 20 or so Craftworlds is fucking retarded.

>> No.28018543

>>28018497

>Phil Kelly said their dying race angel was retarded
>Angel

He said WHAT about Iyanna? I'll wreck em swear on me mum.

Seriously though, at no point does Kelly go against the dying race theme. New codex rams that home as much as possible.

>> No.28018558

>>28018541

They don't need more craftworlds, just need to expnd one the ones we have. Biel-Tan and Saim Hann have so much supplement potential and minor craftworlds like Ibraesil are really cool. I want to here more about the craftworld of Banshee archaeologists spelunking in Crone Worlds.

>> No.28018562

>>28018543
>New codex rams that home as much as possible.

No.

That's the Eldar dandom being pessimistic. Can you believe they twisted Eldrad victory over the Necrons in that codex into a defeat?

>> No.28018572

>>28018558

I want more craftworlds just so it looks like the Eldar have more of a galactic presence.

>> No.28018584

>>28018572
They got the Webway.

They can be everywhere at anytime. They don't need more Craftworlds to show their presence

>> No.28018589

>>28018572

But that would undercut the entire point of the Eldar. They maintain a galactic presence via farseering and webway mobility, not numbers.

>> No.28018605

>>28018562

>No.
>That's the Eldar dandom being pessimistic.

Ha ha, really dude? Just read the chapter titles in the codex fluff.

>DOOM OF THE ELDAR
>THE TIME OF ENDING
>RAVAGED FRAGMENTS OF THEIR RACE TEETERING ON THE BRINK OF ANNIHILATION
>SLOWLY DYING RACE

>> No.28018615

>>28018572
its the same as Space Marines

there's about a few hundred Craftworlds but most are let unnamed so the player can make there own

>> No.28018616

>>28018605
I rest my case.

pessimistic as fuck.

>> No.28018629

>>28018616

>Claim that the codex doesn't frame the eldar as a dying race
>Counter argument posts quotes from the book
>'I rest my case, fans are just pessimistic.'

You... have never read an Eldar codex have you?

>> No.28018634

>>28018605
Sounds like a bunch of Emos to me

and the Time of Ending is the current Era

also maybe that's why Iyanden and Biel Tan gets shit done even at their weaken state, they don't sit around being emo lossers they go out and fix the problem

>> No.28018638

>>28018634

Well Iyanden do spend a lot of time being all melancholy and tragic. They just kill things while they do it.

>> No.28018639

>>28018605

The "Time of Ending" is just what the Eldar call the current age. It refers to the state of everything, not just the Eldar themselves. I do agree with you about the rest, though.

>> No.28018648

>>28018638
>>28018639
Age of ending?

But we are just getting started!

>> No.28018667

>>28018562

>Can you believe they twisted Eldrad victory over the Necrons in that codex into a defeat?

Wouldn't be the first time Eldrad got gipped. In the games that the Eye of Terror Campaign were based on, Eldrad killed Abaddon on board and the Eldar stomped everyone. This was interpreted by GW as Abaddon getting away, Eldrad realising he was DOOMED and then getting eaten by Slaanesh. Another glorious victory!

>> No.28018672

>>28018408
>Tau didn't kill an avatar.
HAHA. They don't need to. They now have THE SWARMLORD AS FRAG.

>> No.28018679

>>28018672

That doesn't say anything about killing the Swarmlord though. Just that they fought one.

>> No.28018682

>>28018667
But you were left with....HOPE!

The spiritstones that he left behind still shined meaning that somehow he could have survived.

>> No.28018683

>>28018667
The Eye of Terror campaign hadn't even been announced yet when that happened.

>> No.28018684

>>28018648

Welcome to the party pal.

>> No.28018693

>>28018274
Nigger please.
The saviour of the past: Eldrad.
The saviour of today: Muagan Ra.
The saviour of the future: Yriel.

You just don't fit here Illic. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry for reterded authors who can't write a proper story for you.
But don't be sad maybe your time will come to. Some day...

>> No.28018697

>>28018679
The Swarmlord died with the rest of the Tyranid from the Tau bio-toxin.

Farsight didn't kill the Swarmlord in single combat, but he matched it in skill. That was the post Ichar IV (Calgar punching TIEM) Swarmlord. This makes Farsight standing up to it an impressive feat.

>> No.28018701

>>28018667

>Tfw you retconned your own death

IT'S ALWAYS JUST AS PLANNED, EVEN WHEN IT ISN'T.

>> No.28018705

>>28018697
Yeah he is far better than even Clagar cause Calgar was beaten by a far weaker version of the Swarmlord when he met it first time.

>> No.28018713

>>28018701
Erghh...

Somebody feed Eldrad some wraithburgers. He looks a robed gulped together twigs.

>> No.28018717

>>28018693

Yriel's future is not going to last long with that spear of his.

>> No.28018721

If you like Eldar this stuff seems so enraging because they're so smart yet they act so stupid, then you begin to realise that's the joke, these smug, technologically advanced, future seeing assholes attack each other because a prophecy told them they had to, destroy entire planets because a prophecy told them they had to, refuse to work with other races because they're arrogant idiots.

They're super elves and it's killing their entire race.

>> No.28018722

>>28018693

I want to see a movie about Yriel's exploits. Starring David Bowie as Yriel.

>> No.28018724

>>28018713

And yet T4.

FUCK YOU I HAVE CRYSTAL BONES.

>> No.28018726

>>28018717
Who knows.
Who knows what a future harlequins have prepared for him.

>> No.28018728

Here's a page of Eldar shenanigans - successful shenanigans - from Battle Missions. The funny thing of course is that it isn't even an Eldar book.

>> No.28018731

>>28018721

Eh? They work together with other factions way more than anyone else and they're usually the ones pulling the strings. You're thinking of Imperium who are stuck fighting a war on all fronts while totally overextended on resources and still embarking on crusades against Tau because they're just that retardedly xenophobic.

>> No.28018735

>>28018728

>Lugganath 801.M41

Chaos Space Marines have Chapters?!

>> No.28018736

>>28018722

I am fully behind this idea.

>> No.28018739

>>28018735
Renegade chapter obviously.

>> No.28018748

>>28018721
You know, having lost 5 craftworlds in the history of post-Slaanesh 40k is not bad at all, considering the Imperium's lost, you know, millions of worlds.

>> No.28018749

>>28018728
>Rangers helping humans against Dark Eldar raiders
>An Eldar vessels destroy a Dark Eldar fleet

BLOOD FEUD!

>> No.28018750

>>28018728

>All these minor craftworlds kicking ass

Fuck yeah, this is exactly what I want. Ibraesil, Lugganeth and Yme Loc finally doing stuff.

>> No.28018757

>>28018509
To be honest he had a sword blessed by the Emprah himslef.
However it's still retarded.
MOST POWERFUL BLOODTHIRSTER EVER... until he met some inquisitor.

>> No.28018761

>>28018749

Despite being most concerned with Crone worlds, Ibraesil really do have it in for Dark Eldar huh?

>Mfw attacking Dark Eldar because of Vect and his Patriarchy.

Better check your privilege Dark kin.

>> No.28018771

>>28018761
I wonder if Jain Zar is kinda idol there.

>> No.28018782

>>28018771

Jain once led Ibraesil with a rape train of Banshees to scourge some Imperial Guard. So we know she definitely pops around now and then. It's pretty safe to say the Banshee craftworld worships Big Mama Banshee.

>> No.28018787

>>28018771
Can the other Aspect Warriors be female?

Could there potentially be an Asurwomen?

>> No.28018790

>>28018761
Perhaps Iybraesil would get on better with Kruellagh and her Emasculators, if they even still exist.

>> No.28018791

>>28018787
You mean Phoenix Lords?
Because for aspecters it's not even a question.

>> No.28018796

>>28018761
>‘Alianna!’

>Keladry ran, his voice echoing through wraithbone corridors as he screamed for his love. He heard laughter, the cruel, dark laughter of a soul that was cold and dead, sustained only by suffering and evil. Around him were the corpses of his crew, his friends, slaughtered by the pirates, their spirit stones cracked and broken, their faces locked in the unimaginable agony of their final moments.

>He would not allow the same fate to befall. Alianna. He turned a corridor and there she was, the cameleoline cloak of a ranger over her armour, pistol trained on a Commorrite. She saw him and turned, and the soulthief seized his chance, knocking the pistol from her grasp and pulling her to him, arm around her throat, her own pistol aimed at her head.

>Keladry pulled his longrifle from his back, priming and aiming it in a fluid motion. ‘Release her, dark one, or you die.’ The monster laughed that cruel laugh. ‘Then kill me, little outcast. The fleshworkers of Commorragh will clone me and revive me. But your lover here will be dead by my final act in this body. And then I will come for you.’ The soulthief leered at Alianna and whispered something to her that Keladry couldn’t hear. His focus shifted for a moment, from the scope of his rifle to Alianna’s face, the pleading look in her eyes.

>He heard, rather than saw, a pistol fire…

>He fell, blood spilling from the wound in his stomach. He lay on his back, pain filling him, and looked up at the face that loomed over him.

>‘Alianna…’ he breathed.

>‘I am sorry, my love. But he offered me my life in exchange for yours. I… don’t want to die.’ Keladry tried to plead with her, to beg for his life, but he couldn’t. He would sacrifice himself for her, he knew that.

>‘Come, young one,’ he heard the soulthief say. ‘Your life can begin anew in the dark city.’

>‘Alianna…’ he whispered again as darkness took him.

>> No.28018799

>>28018787

>Can the other Aspect Warriors be female?

Of course. No gender restriction with the craftworld.

>> No.28018801

>>28018790
>Kruellagh
Her mini was fucking ridiculous but awesome at the same time.

>> No.28018804

>>28018801
Lost my pic.

>> No.28018808

>>28018790

I don't know who that is, but that picture is fucking awesome.

>> No.28018812

>>28018796
They delude themselves. Given a chance all Eldar females would throw themselves into the arms of a Dark Eldar stud who would dominate them and turn them into his playthings.

As seen above.

>> No.28018824

>>28018799
Oh, I just read the codex entry for Banshees:

>"A predominantly female Aspect"

I had this assumption since all the models are male for other aspects, female only for Banshees.

>> No.28018825

>>28018812

And suddenly I understand why Ybraesil has such a problem with the Dark Eldar.

>> No.28018830

>>28018812
> ywf exactly reverse situation in Path of the Outcast

>> No.28018835

>>28018824
Obligatory (and canon).

>> No.28018839

>>28018830

>Karandras bench pressing a dreadnaught and sacrificing himself so he could save a Dark Eldar and allow an Exarch to ascend into his armour at the same time.

Karandras is such a bro.

>> No.28018842

>>28018787

Gender does not matter. Howling Banshees can be male.

However, an exarch is genderless.

An Eldar Exarch's body dissolves into it's armor. It's soul powers the animated armor.

>> No.28018846

>>28018839
>>28018830

>Path of the outcast
>Not warrior

My mistake. Got mixed up there. Karandras is still bro tier though.

>> No.28018852

>>28018842
Unless the Exarch is a Crimson Hunter.

Those guys get to keep their naughty bits.

>> No.28018857

>>28018839
I've actually laughed when that bitch Thirianna-na-na-na said that Korlandil's ending was bad.

>> No.28018861

>>28018852

Only if you follow that novel which made no sense. Otherwise codex affirms they're the same as all aspects regarding exarchs.

>> No.28018883

>>28018846
> Alaitoc Rangers have been active on Medusa V for some time under the direct tutelage of Karandras. This legendary Exarch has only fleetingly been seen in recent weeks and has reputedly taken to long meditations in the foothills of the Charybdis Crest with a strange and cloaked Eldar woman. He has, however, displayed extraordinary rages whilst active on Medusa, which has spurred the Rangers to pay close attention to this mysterious ally.
He is easily trollable.

>> No.28018898

>>28018883

And yet the ultimate troll.

>Tfw trolling Arha so bad he threw an autistic shitfit so bad that he lost his soul

What a sperglord.

>> No.28018904

>>28018883

>The Phoenix Lords whose entire theme is championing calm over anger
>Re-invented Scorpions to be patient hunters rather than berzerkers
>Displaying extraordinary rages

Confirmed for Arha disguised as Karandras.

>> No.28018907

>>28018883
>Swiftblade was a male in Carnac

>Swiftblade somehow becomes a female in Medusa V

Eldar confirmed to have sex change surgery.

>> No.28018909

>>28018667
>In the games that the Eye of Terror Campaign were based on, Eldrad killed Abaddon on board and the Eldar stomped everyone

Ah, Starcannon edition. Good times.

>> No.28018915

>>28018904
That probably was a solitaire.
A solitaire could troll even Asurmen.

>> No.28018927

>>28018907

I really don't think the writers of Carnac read up on lore. I think they just picked names out of an eldar name generator.

>Exarchs aren't exarchs
>MC doesn't believe Slaanesh exists
>Souls stones described as fragile despite plating tanks as emergency auto-pilot under heavy fire
>No ejector seat on advanced aircraft
>Rhana Dandra used as a generic Eldar term for Apocalypse

FUCK that trash.

>> No.28018932

>>28018927
Sanders did.
Other probably didn't.

>> No.28018938

>>28018927
> No ejector seat on advanced aircraft
No you don't understand.
There are ejection seats.
Those retards just choose not to use it.

>> No.28018956

>>28018938
Because they are not sure if Slaanesh exists or not.

>> No.28018967

>>28018956

>Entire society built around fighting Slaanesh
>His job was created because of Slaanesh
>His bosses are old enough to remember The Fall
>Every craftworld has actively fights daemons
>Hurr, probably not even real

So dumb...

>> No.28018969

>>28018927
>>MC doesn't believe Slaanesh exists

He doubts the fate of his soul in death. Honestly, the whole Slaanesh thing sounds to any Eldar teenager/youth like a absurd story told to them by their elder to scare them off from leaving or doing stupid stuff. What evidence is there that Slaanesh exists and wants to kill and torture Eldar? Nothing obvious for the normally sheltered Eldar.

>> No.28018972

>>28018839
I think every PL except Maugan and Fuegan is pretty much bro.

>> No.28018993

>>28018969

> Honestly, the whole Slaanesh thing sounds to any Eldar teenager/youth like a absurd story told to them by their elder to scare them off from leaving or doing stupid stuff.

They're not children. They're an ancient race of thousands of years old psychic beings that can FEEL Slaanesh when vulnerable. And he's meant to be a God damn exarch who is responsible for teaching aspects why they have to wear their masks in the first place. An exarch, that doesn't have exarch armour or any of the defining traits of exarchs that is...

>What evidence is there that Slaanesh exists and wants to kill and torture Eldar?

The fact every craftworld fights Daemons of Slaanesh and have a high degree of trade and communication between one another.

Do not even START to argue that Eldar aren't all aware of their greatest enemy who is made from their collective fucking conscience and structured their entire society.

>> No.28019045

>>28018969
other than the fact that deamon are real and 9 times out of ten its Slaanesh deamons that attack Eldar for there souls

>> No.28019048

>>28018993
>They're not children.

But they have children and youths among them. Young Eldar who didn't experience the Fall.

>They're an ancient race of thousands of years old psychic beings that can FEEL Slaanesh when vulnerable

They fel the Warp calling them. They have no reason to believe that there is a singular being out there who wants to do them harm particularly.

>And he's meant to be a God damn exarch who is responsible for teaching aspects why they have to wear their masks in the first place.

Wouldn't be the first time somebody taught something he didn't believe in.

>The fact every craftworld fights Daemons of Slaanesh and have a high degree of trade and communication between one another.

They fight against all Daemons. To the casual eyes of the average Eldar there is little distinction between the intentions of these daemons. All of them equally want to do the Eldar harm.

>Do not even START to argue that Eldar aren't all aware of their greatest enemy who is made from their collective fucking conscience and structured their entire society.

Keladry wasn't. So there must be others who share his views in Eldar society. Eldar atheists and nihilists

>> No.28019050

>>28018972
Impying Maugan isn't the biggest bro of them all

>> No.28019101

>>28019048

Oh my God, you are actually arguing this...

>But they have children and youths among them. Young Eldar who didn't experience the Fall.

It takes 3 centuries for Eldar to mature. They're not letting clueless fuckwits become exarchs. Even outcasts that leave due to the rigidness of the path understand Slaanesh exists, hence why gathering soul stones is the full time job of rangers.

>They fel the Warp calling them. They have no reason to believe that there is a singular being out there who wants to do them harm particularly.

Except their entire history refers to one specific Daemon and is littered with specific battles against him, with heroes that are old enough to remember The Fall first hand and an infinity circuit that illustrates what should and shouldn't happen when you die. Eldar aren't superstitious. They know you're soul is going somewhere when you don't appear in the afterlife.

>They fight against all Daemons. To the casual eyes of the average Eldar there is little distinction between the intentions of these daemons. All of them equally want to do the Eldar harm.

No clear intention to M'kar or Snarelust? Stories that specifically refer to their plot to steal souls in the name of Slaanesh? Full retard.

>Wouldn't be the first time somebody taught something he didn't believe in.

That's a pathetic rebuttal. Not even an argument.
>Keladry wasn't. So there must be others who share his views in Eldar society. Eldar atheists and nihilists

Using the source being mocked and held to scrutiny as a source? That's as circular as using the Bible as proof of god.

Why people that know nothing about Eldar come into Eldar threads to argue is beyond me.

>> No.28019154

>>28019048

The entire point of the harlequin is to make sure that the story of Slaanesh is maintained in eldar culture throughout the ages.

Also, the infinity circuit.

>> No.28019271

>>28019154
And preachers and evangelists make sure the story of Christ is maintained throughout the ages.

But, doesn't mean that the guy actually existed or he died for our sins.

It's the same deal here.

>> No.28019290

>>28019271
>Also, the infinity circuit.

Oh forgot that...

It's been noted the the Infinity Circuit isn't a pleasant walk in a park. Unlike Slaanesh, what happens to the souls inside the Infinity Circuit is visible to the Eldar.

Actually, it makes some Eldar wish to embrace oblivion or Slaanesh rather than be thrown inside there.

>> No.28019310

>>28019290

what happens to the eldar souls in infinity circuit?

I thought that they just kinda hang out with their dead relatives.

>> No.28019346

>>28019310
All your dirty secrets are shared with the souls residing there. So your grandparents will know everything you did with that Mon'Kiegh girl.

Also sometimes an Eldar will be forced to relive the worst moment of his life over and over stuck in a dream loop.

>> No.28019398

>>28019050
He is scary mothrfucker.

>> No.28019406

>>28017121
From Lexicanum.
>Anaen
>Bel-Shammon
>Idharae
Destroyed by the Invaders Chapter of Space Marines. Three Companies of the Invaders survived the conflict.
>Kher-Ys
Destroyed by the forces of Slaanesh when a Keeper of Secrets managed to infiltrate the Craftworld and dispel the protective wards that kept it safe.
>Kolth'se
>Malan'tai
Destroyed by the Doom of Malan'tai.
>Mor-rioh'i
Destroyed in a conflict against four Imperial Titan Legions and a detachment of Luna Wolves led by Horus Lupercal, while its forces had been drawn away to fight at least three of the Titan Legions in a diversion maneuver orchestrated by Horus. The Titan Legions suffer heavy losses.
>Muirgaythh
Destroyed by the forces of Slaanesh.
>Thuyelsa
Destroyed by the Tenth Company of Space Wolves during the Great Crusade.

>> No.28019407

The funny thing that this guy has confirmed that he hardly dislikes eldar. And you're still arguing with him about eldar fluff.

>> No.28019436 [SPOILER] 

>>28019398
>A closer connection to death than the Eldar imagine
>Implication that he reaps souls of the Eldar as well

The black rotten apple didn't fall far from the tree.

>> No.28019456

>>28019271

>Making an analogy to someone we actually do have historical proof of existing via Roman criminal records

Maybe Keladry is just like you, a particularly retarded sample of his kind?

Also, unlike humanity, the Eldar can actually walk into the afterlife to see what's up. Know what they don't see? People without soul stones being there.

Also, Jeebus doesn't have giant flesh and blood avatars screaming 'I CLAIM THESE SOULS IN THE NAME OF SLAANESH' in reality.

>> No.28019457

>>28019436
Yes Maugan Ra is a pretty much incarnation of that aspect of Khaine looted from Nightbirnger.

>> No.28019473

>>28019406
10 confirmed destroyed Craftworlds!

A round number. I am most pleased.

>> No.28019482

>>28019436

>Implication that Khaine took aspects from fallen Ctan

God that was such a stupid piece of fluff. It's just so meaningless. It was always self explanatory enough that Khaine is a grim bloody reaper himself on the battlefield so sticking Ctan in there for no reason adds absolutely nothing interesting to the lore.

>> No.28019497

>>28019482
Pssssh.
Pssssh.
That's actually one of the few pieces of fluff about Khaine being badass.
It's unwise to hate it.

>> No.28019498

>>28019482
It tells us something about the Eldar psyche. When they think of death, they think not of Khaine but of Kaelis Ra, the Nightbringer.

>> No.28019503

>>28019456
>Also, unlike humanity, the Eldar can actually walk into the afterlife to see what's up. Know what they don't see? People without soul stones being there.

Only the Farseers see those things and not all Eldar trust or believe them. Taldeer's brother for example disliked Warlocks and Farseer and all their nonsense.

>Also, Jeebus doesn't have giant flesh and blood avatars screaming 'I CLAIM THESE SOULS IN THE NAME OF SLAANESH' in reality.

All daemons claim Eldar souls for themselves or their god. Why are the pink ones special again? Because the controlling warlock I mistrust told me so? I say he is full of shit and would rather try my luck in the Warp in death.

>> No.28019523

>>28019497

I don't care. I want the Star Vampires to go back into their pokeballs.

>> No.28019529

>>28019498

Except that's the stupidest part. A reincarnating race giving a fuck about death. Death didn't do jack shit to them. And it clearly wasn't a lasting effect when the Eldar that do care about death only have one craftworld that even remembers Necrons or the Ctan.

>> No.28019542

>>28019523
B-but anon.
> Nighbringer: I am almighty death incarnate!
> Nighbringer: Stars have collapsed under my wrath!
> Nighbringer: Civilization have died under my scythe.
> Nighbringer: I'm the god of unimaginable powers fear me!
> Khaine: Nigger please.
> Khaine: *breaks motherfucker with but ONE STRIKE of his spear*
Isn't that awesome?

>> No.28019548

>>28019529
Other Craftworlds do remember the Necrons. Ulthwe's archives has stuff about them. Most people just put it out of their minds a long time ago.

>> No.28019562

>>28019503

>Only the Farseers see those things and not all Eldar trust or believe them.

So when all the wraithguards and wraithlords of your own family tell you there is an afterlife, they're all lying are they? Farseers, warlocks, spiritseers, Eldrad, Phoenix Lords and all the millions of souls that the Eldar regularly communicate with in council meetings and in the halls of ghost warriors are all lying? The entirety of Eldar society is all a conspiracy theory?

Give it up.

>All daemons claim Eldar souls for themselves or their god.

No, only Slaanesh lays claim to Eldar souls. If other Daemons smash soul stones then all they've done is empower their rival.

>> No.28019573

>>28019529
Actually, all Craftworlds have legends of the C'tan and Necrons.

Utthwe, Biel-tan, etc etc. They literally have a staff roll of all the infamous Necrons from that time. Ahmontekh for example was never forgotten by the Eldar.

Also this the Black Library and Harlequins retelling the stories of old making sure ( and failing) to remind the Eldar of the ancient horrors beneath their feet.

>> No.28019579

>>28019548

2 craftworlds have obscure records. Hardly an insight to Eldar psyche then. It's such an empty piece of lore that doesn't even make sense.

>> No.28019601

You know what would be cool?
Maugan Ra stomping Trazyn for the Altansar bone choir.

>> No.28019602

>>28019562
>So when all the wraithguards and wraithlords of your own family tell you there is an afterlife, they're all lying are they?

They never been to the Warp. All they know was the Spiritstone and the Infinity Circuit.

>Farseers, warlocks, spiritseers

Lying bastards who want to control us with a made up boogeyman.

>Eldrad

A dick

>Phoenix Lords

What are the chances of meeting them in this big galaxy?

>No, only Slaanesh lays claim to Eldar souls. If other Daemons smash soul stones then all they've done is empower their rival.

WRONG.

All Daemons can feast on Eldar souls. From the Nurgle Rot that can affect Eldar to Khorne devouring the souls of an entire Craftworld.

>f other Daemons smash soul stones then all they've done is empower their rival

Unless they feed on it first.

>Give it up.

No, you give up.

Eldar atheists are canon!

>> No.28019605

>>28019579
The Black Library also has some stuff.

>> No.28019610

>>28019601
And ending up inside a pokeball and then one of Trazyn's displays.

>> No.28019615

>>28019602

>> No.28019620

>>28019610
He'stan has done it twice therfore it's not even a problem for Maugan.

>> No.28019642

>>28019602

>They never been to the Warp. All they know was the Spiritstone and the Infinity Circuit.

They don't need to go to the warp you slow fuck. They just need to illustrate that some souls go to the circuit while some (like Warp Spiders who run through the warp and have first hand experience of daemons trying to eat them) do not.

>Lying bastards who want to control us with a made up boogeyman.

Being deliberately obstinate is not an argument.

>A dick

This is the equivalent of plugging your ears and yelling LA LA LA.

>What are the chances of meeting them in this big galaxy?

Seeing as they actively train aspect warriors round the clock, establish shrines and are the founders of one of the most major parts of society it is guaranteed any warrior will know their teachings.

>All Daemons can feast on Eldar souls. From the Nurgle Rot that can affect Eldar to Khorne devouring the souls of an entire Craftworld.

Only example of the rot taking any Eldar is when Lugganeth warlocks went personally to Nurgle's house. Seeing as warlocks can actually project to the warp domains it's yet more evidence of the undeniable truth of Slaanesh.

>> No.28019644

>>28019456
No, Jeebus was a giant flesh and blood avatar screaming "I CLAIM THESE SOULS IN THE NAME OF GOD."

>> No.28019656

>>28019644

Jeebus was a giant? Must've been hard building that cross.

>> No.28019675

>>28019602
>What are the chances of meeting them in this big galaxy?
Actually according to the last codex it's pretty high in m41.

>> No.28019692

>>28019579
Only after the fall did the Eldar truly forget their sworn duty.

The Black Library (Harlequins) and few among the mainstream Eldar urged the Eldar to continue their duty of old. They need to now since looking at the Necrons is enough to remind them of everything they forgot.

Really? Soullessness is a worse fate than Slaanesh? Populating suspected Tomb Worlds instead of nuking them? When they called them Elderp, they were right.

>> No.28019693

how long do eldar live?
what is their lifecycle like?

>> No.28019706

>>28019497
Personally, I would be glad if they removed this fluff.

The honor of defeating the Eldar Gods should belong only to the Phaerons of the Necrons.

>> No.28019714

>>28019693

I think the average Eldar can live to be 1000, but those who hone their abilities can live for thousands of years. Of course, these Eldar crystallize and become trees.

>> No.28019720

>>28019693
According to Eldar legend, they were immortal through reincarnation.

The oldest living Eldar I have read about are an Eldar Farseer who lived through the fall and a Harlequin implied to have lived for 60 million years watching over Necron Tombs.

>> No.28019727

>>28019692

>Only after the fall did the Eldar truly forget their sworn duty.

No shit, that's exactly what I'm saying. They all forgot about them leaving a few records in obscure places.

>Really? Soullessness is a worse fate than Slaanesh?

Except... it doesn't say that. Just that losing your soul is the worst and guess what Slaanesh's favourite food is? Necrons are just what they could become if they lost to Slaanesh. Metal Dark Eldar. 2spooky.

>> No.28019735

>>28019714

Nobody cares about your head canon.

>> No.28019738

>>28019727
You don't lose your soul to Slaanesh.

He just keeps you their with him and plays with you.

>Metal Dark Eldar. 2spooky.

But Dark Eldar have their souls!

>> No.28019742

>>28019714

>Of course, these Eldar crystallize and become trees.

You're confusing farseers for normal Eldar. Farseers are the only Eldar we know that have a limit to their age.

>> No.28019756 [DELETED] 

>>28019738

>You don't lose your soul Slaanesh just takes it

What?

>Of course, these Eldar crystallize and become trees.

Dark Eldar's souls are pre-ordered by Slaanesh. He owns them already and grants them time only if they commit enough depraved acts of excess and pain. They are his slaves. They seem pretty cool with their job though.

>> No.28019761

>>28019735

>The Eldar are quite long-lived by human standards, and most will live for more than a thousand standard years unless they die from accident or disease

From the wiki.

>>28019742

I said the ones who hones their abilities crystallize. Only those who follow the seer path can truly achieve that level of mastery.

>> No.28019772

>>28019738

>You don't lose your soul Slaanesh just takes it

What?

>But Dark Eldar have their souls!

Dark Eldar's souls are pre-ordered by Slaanesh. He owns them already and grants them time only if they commit enough depraved acts of excess and pain. They are his slaves. They seem pretty cool with their job though.

>> No.28019780

>>28019738
Right from the Dark Eldar Codex.

Necrons and Dark Eldar are not the same. One gave up their souls and the other is trying to hold on to their souls desperately.

You guys are silly. Not knowing about your own cousin faction.

>> No.28019783

>>28019761

>most will live for MORE than a thousand years

That says the opposite of what you said! That's saying they at LEAST live to a thousand, not that they die at a thousand.

>I said the ones who hones their abilities crystallize. Only those who follow the seer path can truly achieve that level of mastery.

Ha, suuuure. That's what you meant.

>> No.28019789

>>28019772

You're wrong. A Dark Eldar's soul is his(and a part to whatever homunculus that brings him back)

Their souls leech from their bodies in the webway, but the pain of others revitalizes them and youthens them.

>> No.28019800

>>28019772
Slaanesh doesn't destroy Eldar souls. He tortures them forever.

This fate is concerned a gentler fate than being soulless.

>Dark Eldar's souls are pre-ordered by Slaanesh. He owns them already and grants them time only if they commit enough depraved acts of excess and pain. They are his slaves. They seem pretty cool with their job though.

Which is nothing comparable to the Necrons. Necrons don't have souls to struggle to keep. So Metal Dark Eldar thing you just said is just silly and wrong.

>> No.28019813

>>28019789

>Their souls leech from their bodies in the webway, but the pain of others revitalizes them and youthens them.

That's exactly what I just said. Slaanesh constantly is eating their souls and only allows them to live if they cause more pain than Slaanesh could get by just claiming them then and there. Slaanesh owns them.

>> No.28019826

>>28019813

Slaanesh cannot. If Slaanesh could have, it would have when he was birthed.

>> No.28019827

>>28019800

>Which is nothing comparable to the Necrons. Necrons don't have souls to struggle to keep. So Metal Dark Eldar thing you just said is just silly and wrong.

They are entirely comparable. They both exemplify what happens when you become slave to a God who steals your soul. Necrons got theirs eaten by Ctan. Dark Eldar are being eaten alive by Slaanesh.

>> No.28019837

>>28019826

>Slaanesh cannot. If Slaanesh could have, it would have when he was birthed.

You don't get the entire point of Dark Eldar do you? They do what they do as payment for Slaanesh. All that torture is to create enough excess so that Slaanesh is sated by that without taking them instead. A Deldar that isn't creating a surplus of pain and sensation loses his instead. That way Slaanesh has a net gain. He's a smart businessman.

>> No.28019866

>>28019837

No, not really. Slaanesh was greedy enough to kill all the Eldar she could.

The webway protected the Dark Eldar. If you took them out of it during the birth of Slaanesh, they would have all died.

Therefore, it stands to say Slaanesh cannot terminate any Dark Eldar it dislikes with impunity.

>> No.28019872

>>28019827
Dark Eldar are not slaves to Slaanesh anymore than their Craftworld brothers are (>>28019780). They both have diffreant ways of keeping their souls.

The Necrons marched willingly (more or less) to the Bio-forges. The Eldar did not choose Slaanesh nor are they slaves to it.

>> No.28019888

>>28019866

>No, not really. Slaanesh was greedy enough to kill all the Eldar she could.

And Slaanesh was so greedy she made it so that Dark Eldar had to do her bidding, and if they weren't sacrificing a soul a day she'll eat them instead. Slave labour.

>They both have diffreant ways of keeping their souls.

By doing Slaaneshi things to keep Slaanesh happy.

>> No.28019906

>>28019888

If you're trying to say that the Dark Eldar venerate or worship Slaanesh, you're wrong.

>> No.28020036

>>28019837
>They do what they do as payment for Slaanesh.
Oh shit nigger read the fucking codex.

>> No.28020067

>>28019906

They don't venerate him, but they do feed him with their acts, hence why he keeps them around rather than eating them in one gulp.

>> No.28020091

>>28020067
Everyone feeds slaanes.
Every single being capable of feeling pleasure.

>> No.28020105

>>28019888
>if they weren't sacrificing a soul
They. Do. Not. Sacrifice. Anything.
You people better read the codex.
This is not how the Thirst works.

>> No.28020147

>>28019866

>The webway protected the Dark Eldar

Lol no. Comorragh was the engine of Slaanesh's birth. It was the single most corrupt part of their empire and did more than anywhere else to bring about Slaanesh. The Eldar that were fleeing this corruption and were caught in pull of the Eye of Terror were just devoured immediately during Slaanesh's birth feast. The Eldar that were in Comorragh were so decadent that Slaanesh turned them into pain and misery engines. It's not just that they got lightly grazed by the psychic birth scream. Slaanesh's birth is said to have breached the dimensional barriers between realspace and warp. Slaanesh left its mark on them in the most insidious way possible.

>> No.28020167

>>28020105

>They. Do. Not. Sacrifice. Anything.

There's a fucking reason they go out of their way to shatter Eldar spirit stones. Because the poor bastard who owned that stone gets eaten instead. Dark Eldar live on borrowed time, it's their basic fucking premise.

>> No.28020203

>>28018726
Actually, it was something like this.

>> No.28020294

>>28020167
Incubi go out of their way to shatter the spiritstones of Eldar aspect warriors. This is done out of pure spite and not because some bargain with Slaanesh.

The Incubus will gain nothing from it except satisfaction and status, unless he feeds on the Eldar soul himself to sate his thirst.

>> No.28020312

>>28020294

That's wrong. The whole point of Dark Eldar is that they're Slaanesh APPEASERS. All of the torture and mutilation is their way of saying:

> "TAKE HIM INSTEAD! NOT ME! NOT MEEEE!"

>> No.28020336

>>28020312
No, they are not.

Slaanesh drains their souls but they fill it up not because they want to appease Slaanesh. It's done because they are evil and they like it.

If they didn't want the Thirst they would be wearing Spiritstones.

>> No.28020349

>>28020336

The whole point of a Spirit Stone is to contain an Eldar's soul when he dies. That soul is then uploaded to a Craftworld's Infinity Circuit - Because an Eldar who dies without a stone is doomed to an eternity of torment in the Warp, as his soul goes to Slaanesh.

The Dark Eldar constantly lose their souls, but fill it up with the torment of others. It's in the Codex, man: Making people suffer energizes them.

>> No.28020424

>>28020294

Bull-fucking-shit. Incubi do it because they gotta pay the Slaanesh tax. All Dark Eldar are slowly eaten by Slaanesh, Incubi included. That's what it means to be a Dark Eldar. Theya ren't just dickish craftworlders, they're a different sub species entirely.

>> No.28020457

>>28020336

It's done, because they have no choice. If a Dark Eldar stops smashing spirit stones and kicking people in the balls for hours on end they fizzle out and are eaten by Slaanesh. Incubi don't get the luxury of a choice, it just so happens that they like being dicks so it's no big deal for them. Dark Eldar were being bloodthirsty perverts before and after the fall. Just now they can't ever stop or they'll die. They're pain/pleasure junkies and Slaanesh is the dealer. He charges soul stones and perverse deeds.

>> No.28020463

>>28019101
>They're not letting clueless fuckwits become exarchs.

They are, because it's not up to them who becomes an Exarch, it's up to the Eldar in question whether or not they become trapped on the Path or not.

>> No.28020473

>>28020463

Don't be dense. If every aspect warrior in the shrine becomes lost on the path they don't ALL become exarchs. Only one master per shrine and only the best gets the suit. The rest just remain aspect warriors lost on the path.

>> No.28020507

>>28020473
>Don't be dense. If every aspect warrior in the shrine becomes lost on the path they don't ALL become exarchs.

They do, there's only one exarch per shrine so they either go and find a vacant shrine or start a new one of their own.

>> No.28020531

>>28020457
Lies.

Dark Eldar can be redeemed and walk a different path. Like the dude from the path novels.

>>28020349
>The whole point of a Spirit Stone is to contain an Eldar's soul when he dies. That soul is then uploaded to a Craftworld's Infinity Circuit - Because an Eldar who dies without a stone is doomed to an eternity of torment in the Warp, as his soul goes to Slaanesh.

The whole point of them is that they keep the thirst away.

>The Dark Eldar constantly lose their souls, but fill it up with the torment of others. It's in the Codex, man: Making people suffer energizes them.

Because they choose it. Not because a god forces them too.

>> No.28021287

>>28020507

>They do, there's only one exarch per shrine so they either go and find a vacant shrine or start a new one of their own.

Except you're making stuff up. There is no instance of aspect warriors lost on the path going off and declaring themselves exarch of a brand new shrine. Only known shrine establishers are Phoenix Lords.

>> No.28021312

>>28020531

>Dark Eldar can be redeemed and walk a different path. Like the dude from the path novels.

No, that guy is still a cock sleeve for Slaanesh regardless of redemption. Eldar spirit stone and aspect tech are only compatible with psykers so no soul saving for Dark Eldar who have no warp sig.

>> No.28021332

>>28021312
>Dark Eldar who have no warp sig.

They do though.

>> No.28021340

>>28020531

>Because they choose it. Not because a god forces them too.

Dat denial. Slaanesh drains all Dark Eldar if they refuse to commit acts of extreme perversions. Incubi aren't special. They stop butchering and it's only a matter of time until Slaanesh claims his due.

>> No.28021345

>>28021312
>Dark Eldar
>Having no Warp Signatures

Seriously? Just because their psker ability weakened from disuse doesn't mean they are not beacons in the Warp, anon.

>> No.28021385

>>28021332
>>28021345

My bad. I forgot non-psykers have warp sigs. Point still stands. Non-psykers cannot into Craftworld Eldar tech like stones and the infinity circuit.

>> No.28021403

>>28019406
Nothing really outrageous about these. Nine Craftworlds destroyed in total isn't a shameful number. Why do people complain so much about this?

>> No.28021421

>>28021340
Slaanesh drains all Eldar. Not just Dark Eldar.

Eldar use their path system and spiritstones to stave off Slaanesh and avoid the thirst. Dark Eldar torture and do the things they do because it does staves off Slaanesh and sate the thirst.

But whatever you guys want to rationalize it. I don't care. Back to my original point.

Are the Necrons and Dark Eldar comparable? No, not at all. Necrons sold their flesh and soul for immorality and everlasting glory. Eldar and Dark Eldar struggle to maintain their souls. That's why soullessness is incomprehensible to them.

>> No.28021434

>>28021403
The faggotry inherit to Eldarfags. They're only a little better than Sisterfags

>> No.28021438

>>28021403
Because the Eldar are few and dying. Every single Eldar soul lost is unthinkable, let alone a Craftworld.

>> No.28021448

>>28021421
Necrons didn't sell their souls, they were robbed of them.

>> No.28021452

>>28021385
>>28021385
Except a Dark Eldar used a spiritstone in the Path novel.

>> No.28021475

>>28021448
The Silent King knew what he was going into. Orikan warned him.

The Silent King accepted the price and dismissed Orikan's warning.

>> No.28021477

>>28021421

Slaanesh doesn't drain craftworlders. He can swallow them whole if they die without soul stones, but for those with soul stones they join the infinity circuit or spirit pool of the maiden world unmolested. The main point of difference between them and dark eldar is that dark eldar are already lost to Slaanesh's depravity, but are so nihilistic they don't give a good god damn.

>"The change that was wrought upon those Eldar sealed within the Webway was far more subtle. Rather than having their psychic essences, their souls, consumed in one great draught by Slaanesh, their souls slowly drained away into the Warp, taken over time by She Who Thirsts. Where the Eldar of the Craftworlds learned to deny Slaanesh's hold upon them by using the mystical Spirit Stones, the Infinity Circuits and the philosophies of the Eldar Paths to safeguard their souls from consumption by She Who Thirsts, the Eldar of the Webway became exceptionally good at ensuring that other beings suffered in their place. As long as they steeped themselves in the most evil and savagely decadent acts, the Eldar of the Webway found that the curse of Slaanesh upon their race could be avoided. The agony of others nourished their diminished souls and kept them vital and strong, filling their spare frames with unnaturally robust energies. Assuming that they could feed regularly enough upon the miseries of other intelligent beings, the Eldar of the Webway became psychically immune to the passage of time. So it was that the Dark Eldar were born, a race of sadistic murderers and torturers who feed upon the suffering of others in order to prevent the slow death of their own immortal souls. Ten thousand standard years later, in the 41st Millennium of Mankind, Slaanesh's Thirst consumes them still. There truly is no escape, for the Dark Eldar have only exchanged a horrible but quick death for an eternity of infernal hunger and the infinite emptiness wrought by self-absorption."

>> No.28021494

>>28021475
Orikan didn't say they'd literally lose their souls.

>> No.28021517

>>28021475

Except for that bit where Silent King looks at what he did and went all "I've made a huge mistake".

>"When the Silent King saw what he been done, he knew at last the true nature of the C'tan, and of the doom they had wrought in his name."

Probably shouldn't have listened to a star vampire called THE DECEIVER.

>> No.28021524

>>28021494
His prophecy said the Necrons will have glory, but at the cost of the destruction of the soul of the Necrontyr people.

Pretty clear, but it was dismissed because the Lords were greedy and ambitious.

>> No.28021541

>>28021517
He was warned.

The blame rests solely on his shoulders as well as the C'tan.

>> No.28021542

>>28021403
There is no problem other than that Eldarfags feel that they are entitled to playing the best and coolest faction. They're actually playing a bunch of retarded performance artists, but try telling them that.

>> No.28021547

>>28021421

>Are the Necrons and Dark Eldar comparable? No, not at all. Necrons sold their flesh and soul for immorality and everlasting glory. Eldar and Dark Eldar struggle to maintain their souls. That's why soullessness is incomprehensible to them.

One is an ancient race that lost their souls to a dark and evil god. The other is an ancient race that is losing their souls to a dark and evil god. There's a pretty obvious point of comparison.

>> No.28021554

>>28021517
>Probably shouldn't have listened to a star vampire called THE DECEIVER.

He didn't know that, that's what the other C'tan called him.

>>28021524
You can maybe see that the destruction of the soul of the Necrontyr people can be taken in a non-literal sense?

>> No.28021617

>>28020473
Actully... I Seem to remember something about crimson hunters stating the suit is almost always empty because their stones don't suvive the crash, it's just that one exarch's spirit in there.

Also in PotW the Not-protaganist is having a mental debate with the other souls before melting into one about pushing the students too hard "We are not trying to create a whole batch of exarchs" I think one of the voices says.

besides, for every active shrine on a decent size craftworld there are atleast another one that is inactive, probably a lot more, and after a major war probably hundreds of cults that need to lure in a new host to start anew.


On that note, I've always like you thought that you needed the armor to become exarch, thus making the avatar awaking i.e. letting it nom on an exarch a rather silly thing, given enough time you wouden't have any exarches left. Given the new crimson hunter fluff I'd say it's possible for new cults to form without having several generations of exarches in the head.
Through personally I preferred your version simply because of how much of a highlander reference the phoenix lords are.

>> No.28021667

>>28021617

>Actully... I Seem to remember something about crimson hunters stating the suit is almost always empty because their stones don't suvive the crash, it's just that one exarch's spirit in there.

For starters, that novel contradicts a shit tonne of stuff and belongs in the trash with CS Goto books. Exarchs work normally in the codex. Secondly that has no bearing on whether aspect warriors in general can found shrines on their own.

>> No.28021811

>>28021667
>Secondly that has no bearing on whether aspect warriors in general can found shrines on their own.

If there is no exarches to pass on the shrine's armor and soul, then clearly these aspects got to come from somewhere.

I'm more then willing to hear your take on that.

>> No.28021900

>>28021617
What's wrong with her ears there? Are they flapping or something?

>> No.28021963

>>28021811

What I'm saying is that would only apply to Crimson Hunters as they'd be the only aspect to retarded to invest in ejector seats and black boxes. Other aspects would have no reason to start shrines without exarchs.

Otherwise, I just follow the codex fluff about exarch powers being directly a product of the suit's psychic gestalt, meaning Crimson Hunters are not retarded and have working exarch suits like anyone else.

I take BL novels with a bucket of salt, but if that's the interpretation you favour it's all canon I guess. Even the codices contradict. In the Eldar codex it says they take wraithguard spirit stones and put them straight back in the circuit to keep the cycle going, but in the Iyanden codex released at almost the same time it says wraithguard lose their souls upon death. Personally I follow the former, because it isn't Ward and therefore makes more sense. Why would spirit stones stop working on wraith warriors?

>> No.28021990

>>28021617
>I've always like you thought that you needed the armor to become exarch, thus making the avatar awaking i.e. letting it nom on an exarch a rather silly thing

The Young King's armour isn't destroyed. He or she goes into the Avatar's chamber naked, while the armour would be returned to the appropriate shrine.

>> No.28021993

>>28021900

You obviously don't understand my dick right now.

>> No.28022013

>>28021963
>Other aspects would have no reason to start shrines without exarchs.

What about Warp Spiders losing their exarch on a jump?

>> No.28022014

>>28021403
Because there are supposed to be like less than a fifty Craftworlds.

And they go down like total bitches.

You don't even have to be an Eldarfag to find this retarded. It used to be that entire sector fleets would consider assaulting a craftworld unthinkable. Now Eldar seem like a non-threat. They just die in droves whenever they appear. They might as well just be phased out.

>> No.28022068

>>28022014
>Because there are supposed to be like less than a fifty Craftworlds.
Source? Or did you just make that up?

>> No.28022077

>>28022014
>there are supposed to be like less than a fifty Craftworlds.

I don't think there's ever actually been any sort of statement about how many Craftworlds there are. Only that only a relatively small percentage of those launched escaped the Fall. For all we know, there could be hundreds of the things still around.

A lot of the bad feeling about Craftworlds going down, I think, stems from the fact that it almost never happened until fairly recently in the fluff. There would be stories of Eldar armies losing, and Exodite worlds being destroyed, but very rarely was a Craftworld itself successfully attacked. Then you had several occurrences of it happening at once. It's given people a disproportionate view of how many have been lost in the current fluff, because we've gone from never hearing about it to hearing about it fairly regularly, and a lot of people are still getting used to it being a bigger part of the fluff.

>> No.28022086

>>28022014
Which of the destroyed Craftworlds went down like a bitch?

>> No.28022165

>>28022077
It's kind of this.

Craftworlds used to be the kings of space in 40K lore. It was a merit to the Hive Fleets that they nearly killed one. Fluff described them as nearly impossible to besiege, Imperial navy officers regarding the prospect of attacking one a a fool's errand.

Then suddenly one got killed by a single Chapter - by just a thousand Marines - and it opened the floodgates. Suddenly everyone could destroy a Craftworld. It became obligatory. And they stopped being mysterious and awe inspiring, and became simply big ships.

It's just another instance of 40K lore becoming less and less interesting so as to jerk dicks in codices. Now that Mortarion got gimped in the GK one, we're likely to see a rash of the same for daemon primarchs, and they'll lose all majesty and mystery too. I guess Eldar fans keep this more keenly, because they don't get the dick jerking, they just get their army being killed a lot, even in their own codex. I'm not the biggest Eldar lorefag, but I don't think I've ever seen them do something like killing a daemon primarch of killing someone else's equivalent of a Craftworld.

>> No.28022188

>>28022086
>Idharae

Killed by one Chapter. Not even an assisting crusade or an Imperial fleet anong for the ride, just one Chapter. So, like, a Battle Barge, and two or three Strike Cruisers.

>Kher-Ys

Killed in its entirety by one daemon.

>Malan'tai

Killed in its entirety by one Tyranid.

>> No.28022283

>>28022188
>Killed by one Chapter.

To be fair, if you check the dates in the Tyranid and Space Marine codexes, Idharae was one of the three Craftworlds involved in the war against Hive Fleet...Naga, IIRC. The Invaders attacked them shortly afterwards, so they were probably still recovering from the losses suffered against the Tyranids. And even then, they still managed to kill over two thirds of the Chapter.

>> No.28022320

>>28022188
First Craftworld was a minor craftworld with a small population who had to suffer a Tyranid invasion.

Second Craftworld had an entire Daemonhost invade it, you liar.

Third Craftworld was killed by a super bug. This doesn't count because its the Tyranids payback for Ra's bullshit.

>> No.28022336

>>28022320
>This doesn't count because its the Tyranids payback for Ra's bullshit.

It happened in the same codex.

>> No.28022346

>>28021547
Except one does it out of choice, the other fucked their dark god into existence.

Honestly a soul is more of a liability anyway, it doesn't contain your consciousness, it eventually fades into nothingness for most races anyway, it attracts daemons like little boys attract priests, and it ties your threads of fate denying any real chance at freewill.

Sure the silent king was sad about it at first, but it really doesn't have a purpose other than anchoring you to that hellscape that is the warp. Every other Necron character seems to like it just fine and Orikan seems to be the most knowledgible of their new potential.

>> No.28022357

>>28022336
I know. The author wanted to balance out the Eldar wankery with Tyranid wankery in hopes to satisfy both fans.

It worked.

>> No.28022378

>>28022188

>Killed by one Chapter. Not even an assisting crusade or an Imperial fleet anong for the ride, just one Chapter. So, like, a Battle Barge, and two or three Strike Cruisers.

You're conveniently leaving out the fact Idharae was a small craftworld to begin with and was spent after hundreds of fights with Tyranids.

>> No.28022386

>>28022283

>they were probably still recovering from the losses suffered against the Tyranids. And even then, they still managed to kill over two thirds of the Chapter.

Yeah, it explicitly says they were.

>> No.28022395

>>28022378

Forgot pic.

>> No.28022408

>>28022320
Yeah, doesn't matter. I'm a Marinefag but the idea of like five ships taking on a craftworld is retarded. Assuming the population on Idharawhatever was still high enough to actually keep the vessel running, I don't see any way a thousand Marines could possibly win. Especially not in an environ completey controlled by their enemy.

The second Craftworld was hit by a daemonhost but killed by one daemon. It disguised itself and drank all the souls or some shit, it basically did what the Doom of Malantai did.

A craftworld being oneshotted and a splinter fleet being oneshotted aren't comparable. Sorry, dude, but recall that an entire hive fleet was turned away by a craftworld before. Maybe if an entire hive fleet got fucked by Asurman or whoever you'd have a point.

>> No.28022417

>>28021554
>You can maybe see that the destruction of the soul of the Necrontyr people can be taken in a non-literal sense?

You can't walk out with after hearing this prophecy without knowing that the Necrontyr will suffer great harm and loss if they accepted the deal.

The Triach knew of the peril and said ''so be it''.

>>28021547

Not comparable enough to call the Necron ''Metal Dark Eldar'' like the previous anon. He thought the Dark Eldar soulless. Seriously, the Eldar don't freak out when they see the Dark Eldar nor do they consider their existence a horror they can never suppress.

>> No.28022448

>>28022386
>A thousand Marines attack a Craftworld
>they kill everyone

>a major Craftworld attacks a severely under strength Chapter
>actually quite a few Marines survive

I hate my faction's fluff. I miss Marines not being perfect.

>> No.28022462

>>28022408
>It disguised itself and drank all the souls or some shit

Unless the fluff has changed since it was published in the original Daemons codex, no, it didn't. A Keeper of Secrets was able to disguise itself as an Eldar maiden and gained access to the Craftworld via seduction. Once there, it started summoning legions of Daemonettes, then forced its way into the Avatar chamber and possessed the dormant Avatar before it could be roused. The Keeper was instrumental in the Craftworld's fall, but it certainly didn't destroy it single-handedly.

>> No.28022467

>>28022408

>The second Craftworld was hit by a daemonhost but killed by one daemon.

You're lying your cock off though. One daemon opened the gates by infiltrating it, but it was an entire host that invaded.

>> No.28022489

>>28022283
also the Invaders most likely only damaged it beyond repair

>> No.28022494

>>28022408
>Yeah, doesn't matter. I'm a Marinefag but the idea of like five ships taking on a craftworld is retarded. Assuming the population on Idharawhatever was still high enough to actually keep the vessel running, I don't see any way a thousand Marines could possibly win. Especially not in an environ completey controlled by their enemy.

You under estimate the marines. They accomplished more impressive stuff that killing off a low pop ravaged Craftworld.

>The second Craftworld was hit by a daemonhost but killed by one daemon. It disguised itself and drank all the souls or some shit, it basically did what the Doom of Malantai did.

Nope, the Daemon and its minions just rampaged across the Craftworld and got to joy ride an avatar.

>A craftworld being oneshotted and a splinter fleet being oneshotted aren't comparable. Sorry, dude, but recall that an entire hive fleet was turned away by a craftworld before. Maybe if an entire hive fleet got fucked by Asurman or whoever you'd have a point.

A Tendril of billions of Tyranids was halted by a single Eldar. A single Tyranid wiped out a Craftworld of low millions.

The Eldar comes out as the more amazing one.

>> No.28022502

>>28022386
Honestly? The fact that they still had three companies left after attacking a craftworld is sort of ridiculous.

Either they only lost a company or three attacking Idharae or they were able to fight off Alaitoc at under half strength without suffering heavy casualties. I don't know which is worse wank.

>> No.28022528

>>28022188
>Idharae
They'd been fighting Tyranids until just a few decades before the Invaders invaded them.
>Kher-Ys
They were not all killed by one Daemon. A Keeper of Secrets took the form of an Eldar and tricked its way into the Craftworld, where it then opened up a path through the Webway for other Daemons to invade Kher-Ys. It was all the other Daemons that did most of the killing.
>Malan'tai
It was crippled by Orks before Hive Fleet Naga came around. Then Malan'tai's fleet had to deal with half a tendril by themselves, and they pushed through despite heavy casualties. A single, wounded Bio-Ship escaped to stumble across Malan'tai and launch its Mycetic Spores against the Craftworld. The Eldar exterminated most of the scattered Tyranids, but a single Zoanthrope managed to reach the Infinity Circuit, the Wraithbone skeleton of the Craftworld. And there it feasted until it had grown too powerful for anyone to deal with. They'd been raided by Orks, their fleet was crippled by Tyranids, and after the space battle agains the Tyranids they had to deal with more Tyranids on their Craftworld. They'd been taken down a few notches before the Doom decided to become a problem.

>> No.28022531

>>28022417

>Seriously, the Eldar don't freak out when they see the Dark Eldar nor do they consider their existence a horror they can never suppress.

Is this nigger for real? Dark Eldar are the worst thing that can happen to Eldar. Dark Eldar are slaves of The Great Enemy, their souls property of Slaanesh as they live on borrowed time from other Eldar. They're everything they fight to avoid becoming and represent the worst damnation that can fall upon their kind.

>> No.28022552

>>28022494
>daemon possessing a daemon

>> No.28022558

>>28022531
He's probably getting it from the novels.

>> No.28022569

>>28022558

It is carnac-anon after all

>Hurr Eldar aren't bothered by Dark Eldar
>Only da flawless soul dark have that honour!

>> No.28022576

>>28022531
>Is this nigger for real? Dark Eldar are the worst thing that can happen to Eldar. Dark Eldar are slaves of The Great Enemy, their souls property of Slaanesh as they live on borrowed time from other Eldar. They're everything they fight to avoid becoming and represent the worst damnation that can fall upon their kind.

At least they have their souls of which they are willing to commit atrocities to keep.

But their fates is not the worst thing to an Eldar. Existing as a soulless being is the worst of fates to an Eldar, the true horror. A stated above in the Ancient enemies paragraph.

>> No.28022578

>>28022569
I'm pretty sure it's actually the Path novels, as those are the only really detailed account of individuals from both factions interacting casually, as far as I know.

>> No.28022596

>>28022569
They don't bother the Eldar like you guys seem to think.

They rub shoulders with them in outposts and ally with them on more the one occasion.

>> No.28022605

>>28022552
The Avatar wasn't actually 'active' at that point. It was just a shell - a hollow statue that was only beginning to be filled with the Avatar's awareness. The Keeper was able to fill it first.

>> No.28022616

>>28022448

Sometimes Ward delivers us an apology.

>Tfw Biel-Tan supplement goes into detail of this and it is a straight up no bullshit win with the aspects out specializing the marines

That'd be swell.

>> No.28022620

>>28022605
So the Young King drives the Avatar. The Avatar is just a glorified suit of armor.

>> No.28022635

>>28022616
Is he still writing these supplements? I don't remember seeing his name on any of the others.

>> No.28022645

>>28022576

>At least they have their souls of which they are willing to commit atrocities to keep.
>Souls are just liabilities

Make up your mind carnac-kun.

>> No.28022648

>>28022531
> Dark Eldar are the worst thing that can happen to Eldar.
Being eaten by Slaanesh is worse.
> Dark Eldar are slaves of The Great Enemy
They do not willingly serve like those corrupted eldars from Crone worlds, they feed it to survive.
> their souls property of Slaanesh as they live on borrowed time from other Eldar.
All eldar souls are property of Slaanesh. DE borrow time from everyone they can capture.
> They're everything they fight to avoid becoming and represent the worst damnation that can fall upon their kind.
They chose a different path to survive, thats all.

>> No.28022657

>>28022578
I don't believe so. It's been a while since I've read the Path of the Eldar novels, but from what I remember, opinions regarding the Dark Eldar ranged between pity, fear, dislike, and ambivalence, but never ventured into outright hatred or disgust. Which is in keeping with the majority of up to date fluff regarding Craftworlder/Commorite interactions; neither side likes one another, but outside of extremist outliers, neither wants to wipe the other out and will usually be willing to work together when the need comes.

It's important to remember that the Harlequins don't show any favoritism towards either Craftworld Eldar or Dark Eldar. It's not the Good Elves vs Evil Elves situation you have in Warhammer Fantasy.

>> No.28022669

>>28022648

>They do not willingly serve like those corrupted eldars from Crone worlds, they feed it to survive.

That's pretty much why it's subjugation though. They have no choice other than death and damnation, so they gotta continue doing what they're doing. Luckily they love their job.

>> No.28022672

>>28022605
But it got up and was attacking him.

How would the KoS be faster at filling the vessel when its competitor is already there? The idea of something different possessing the iron body of an Avatar is cool, but this kinda smacks of the writer desperately wanting a flaming KoS and just nonsensing it into being.

>> No.28022688

>>28022620
It's more a case of the Young King's sacrifice being necessary to get the Avatar to possess the glorified suit of armour. A bit like how Chaos Sorcerors and Warpsmiths need to perform the requisite sacrifices to create a Daemon Engine.

>> No.28022695

>>28022648

>All eldar souls are property of Slaanesh.

Not quite. Eldar have their nuh-uh stones, soul pools and path system. Only Dark Eldar are stuck in Slaanesh's evil fridge with a big 'DON'T TOUCH - SLAANESH' label on them. But who gives a fuck when all you were gonna do was wallow in nihilism anyway?

>> No.28022729

So when do the orks gets to take out a craftworld?

>> No.28022734

>>28022648

>They chose a different path to survive, thats all.

More like they and their descendants just happened to be in Comorragh fapping when Slaanesh was born. You don't choose to become a Dark Eldar. It's a different non-psyker, soul decaying sub species.

Or is there any examples of craftworld eldar developing these symptoms and falling to chaos?

>> No.28022739

>>28022648
>they feed it to survive
Technically, they don't. Dark Eldar feed on pain and misery to repair the damage done to their own souls. They don't deliberately send that energy to Slaanesh to buy themselves more time; it's just the only way they know of to heal the spiritual injuries of the Thirst.

>>28022672
>But it got up and was attacking him.
That doesn't mean the Avatar was active. Rousing the Avatar requires the sacrifice of the Young King (or, alternatively, the presence of all the Pheonix Lords working together), but IIRC, during times of war, the dormant statue sometimes moves and stirs within the Chamber. It reacts to the increased hatred and aggression permeating the Infinity Circuit and the minds of those aboard the Craftworld, but it can't spontaneously awaken. A bit like moving around and talking in your sleep.

>> No.28022740

>>28022648
>All eldar souls are property of Slaanesh.

>> No.28022741

>>28022729
They've tried a few times, but it hasn't worked out. READ THE NEXT CODEX TO FIND OUT!

>> No.28022755

>>28022741
Come on, the orks never get to take out Avatars or Craftworlds. Granted, the Necrons haven't either, so there's that.

>> No.28022788

>>28022648
>They do not willingly serve like those corrupted eldars from Crone worlds
Probably not so willing in their case. The ones living there, now, were given new bodies from Slaanesh after first being killed by her. Because that's apparently the amusing thing to do.

>> No.28022792

>>28022755

That's a good thing. It'd only cheapen it further if everyone got a turn killing a craftworld.

>> No.28022796

>>28022645
Baka Eldar-Senpai.

you are confusing me with anon (>>28022346). While I agree with him that souls are a liability and should be discarded, I know the Eldar and Necrons in the setting want their souls.

>> No.28022810

>>28022688
If the essence of Khaine doesn't reside in the Avatar, then where does it linger?

In the Warp for the Daemons to see? Doesn't make sense.

>> No.28022815

>>28022792
I will not be content until the orks get a turn.
You watch, I'll write a BL book and offhandedly mention Craftworld Lw'wyy'wylwy'lwyl'wylw'ylw getting wiped out and looted by orks.

>> No.28022819

>>28022755
Iyanden is going to war with the Sautekh and its vassals, so you might get some of that in fluff that will never be written.

>> No.28022825

>>28022755
Imotekh took down an Avatar with blasts of lighting in the battle for the Stars of Khaine.

I think it counts even if it happened in the battle report of that battle.

>> No.28022827

>>28022810

In the Eldar perhaps? Hence why a sacrifice is necessary. This would be corroborated by other fluff that suggests the Eldar Gods are psychic constructs of their own creation, which we are seeing again with Ynead.

>> No.28022828

>>28022810
This.

Khaine's shards explicitly exist in the material universe, escaping Slaanesh by residing there.

>> No.28022834

>>28022635
He did Sentinels of Terra at least.

>> No.28022842

>>28022810
Honestly, I'm not sure. It's possible that it does reside within the statue, but cannot bring itself to full wakefulness (and thus fully defend itself) without the Young King's sacrifice or intervention of the Pheonix Lords. I suppose it could be imbued into the structure of the Craftworld itself, or possibly the Webway or Infinity Circuit.

>> No.28022844

>>28022825
Yesss! Now for a craftworld!

>> No.28022850

Eldar are dying in much the sameway that Europe is dying. More of them are dying than being born and a bunch of immigrants of moving in on their territory and they cant keep them out. And so they are dying a slow but inevitable death and can find no way to halt their demise.

>> No.28022853

>>28022819

Yriel already steam rolled them. Should've stuck with fighting rangers...

>> No.28022856

>>28022695
> Eldar have their nuh-uh stones, soul pools and path system.
They need those to ward off Slaanesh, arent they? Prince of Pleasures is pretty much made from eldar souls as I understand it (and other daemons who feasted on those souls until only one left), twisted by pre-fall orgies and substance abuse.
>>28022740
Point taken.
>>28022788
They probably might have given their allegiance to other Chaos gods for protection too.

>> No.28022863

>>28022819
Waiting for the glorious Sautekh supplement to grace us all!

>> No.28022867

>>28022825

>Happened in the battle report

Just like how Abaddon died? Or how Tycho died? You're stretching it.

>> No.28022891

>>28022853
>filename

Nice.

>> No.28022931

>>28022856
>They probably might have given their allegiance to other Chaos gods for protection too.
How? Slaanesh already owns their bodies and souls. It'd be like if Khorne suddenly decided that Lucius is a fighty fucker who should be gathering skulls for the skull throne.

>> No.28022943

>>28022856

>They need those to ward off Slaanesh, arent they?

Yeah, but it means Slaanesh can't get their juicy souls. Dark Eldar are already in the process of losing their soul little by little and can only stave it off for a finite time.

>> No.28022953

>>28022867
The Eldar warhost, though successful in denying the Necrons the Stars of Khaine, found itself routed and fleeing. Its commander Farseer Starbane was captured by the Necrons (for the second time in his career).

Either the Avatar was reduced to ash by Imotekh the STORMLORD or was sent fleeing back to his throne. Either way, I am pleased!

>> No.28022965

>>28018266
>>28018266
By scale. There are maybe a few hundred craftworlds. Nids are comlplicated but the Orks?

Orks outnumber everybody combined excluding the nids and certainly hold the vast majority of the worlds in the galaxy. Ork Waaaaghs just hit everything at random.

I think that map of Ork worlds per lightyear or something was calculated to put Orks at having well over 100 million worlds.

>> No.28022990

>>28018736

>Anyway, Taldeer, I have to go.
>Where are you going?
>I'm going to a party. I'm already 300 years late.
>Sounds cool. Where's the party?
>In the webway, Taldeer. In the webway.
>The webway?
>Yeah. It is quite freaky, isn't it?
>Yeah... no.

>> No.28022995

>>28022966
I know, right? Ward's fluff can be a bit hit or miss, but there were some great Yriel moments in the Iyanden book. I kinda want to see what would happen if he met up with Duke Sliscus.

>> No.28023003

>>28022891

He is a truly magnificent bastard. This right here is my favourite bit of fluff. Why can't I hold all this smug dickery?

>> No.28023025

>>28022965
>Orks outnumber everybody combined

But That's wrong.

>> No.28023044

>>28022995

Apologies for wonky double posts. I do believe that bit of fluff wasn't Ward's and was in the regular Eldar codex though. Ward still gave us some nice moments with Yriel and Iyanna.

Duke Siliscus having a dick off with Yriel would be piles of fun too. When done right, properly smug Eldar can be amazing.

>> No.28023054

>>28023025

Oh god you again...

>> No.28023058

Can Eldar God of Death/Dead defeat Slaneesh?

Is it possible for Eldar to "unfuck" themselves?

>> No.28023060

>>28023025
That in no way disproves the assertion that Orks outnumber every other race combined. All it says is that the Imperial Guard is the largest unified fighting force in the galaxy. Orks are anything but unified - there might be more of them, but they're all acting independently of one another.

>> No.28023069

>>28022931
Like how Slaanesh couldnt take Isha and Khaine for himself, because other gods called dibs. I like to think that there were Khorne worshiping pre-fall eldar sects or Tzeench sorceror cabals, just because it leaves a possibilty of eldar daemon princes existing somewhere in a galaxy.
Pre-fall eldar empire was huge and given eldar emotional unstability all kind of crazy shit might have hapenned.

>> No.28023084

>>28023058
>Can Eldar God of Death/Dead defeat Slaneesh?

No, Eldar weak and Slaanesh 2 stronk.

>> No.28023106

>>28023044
>Duke Siliscus having a dick off with Yriel would be piles of fun too.

I'm trying to take the Yaoi goggles off, but you're not making it easy for me.

>> No.28023107

>>28023058

Maybe. Iyanna, Eldrad and Kysaduras reckon so. The idea of the living merging with the spirits of the dead sounds pretty OP. Imagine if every Eldar was an exarch with a gestalt? And backed up by a God of Death? Death sounds like a pretty hard conceptual counter to Excess.

>> No.28023123

>>28023107
This is a grimdark setting so something must go wrong.

>> No.28023128

>>28023106

I was imagining more of a Zoolander situation, but whatever floats your boat.

>> No.28023130

>>28023025
No, they just aren't as united as the Imperium of man.

Orks really do outnumber humans in the galaxy by an extremely vast margin.

>> No.28023140

>>28023069
>I like to think that there were Khorne worshiping pre-fall eldar sects or Tzeench sorceror cabals, just because it leaves a possibilty of eldar daemon princes existing somewhere in a galaxy.
>Pre-fall eldar empire was huge and given eldar emotional unstability all kind of crazy shit might have hapenned.
Just headcanon, then.

>> No.28023145

>>28023123

>God of death vs the universe
>Not grimdark enough

Whaddya want?

>> No.28023152

>>28018799
>>28018799
This is why Eldar are dying. Their women are too busy dying in battle and not popping out precious Eldar babies.

>> No.28023155

>The Prophets of War were a Dark Eldar coalition formed by Archon Viscount Rex to plunder the Corvus Sub-Sector during the Crusade of Fire. Wielding enough power and wealth in Commorragh to recruit multiple Kabals, Wych Cults, the powerful Duke Sliscus, and even Necron allies through the promise of recovering lost artifacts

A reminder that the Dark Eldar are more opened minded and diplomatic than their cousins. They are willing to let old hatreds, prejudices, and blood feuds go for the sake of jolly cooperation.

>> No.28023178

>>28023044
>When done right, properly smug Eldar can be amazing.

Totally. It can be difficult to get right - too much and you start attracting cries of mary-sueism - but when the author does, it's fantastic fun to read.

And yea, you're right - that bit's from the main Eldar codex. My bad there.

>>28023155
Open-minded, yea. Diplomatic? Not quite sure I'd go that far. There's a reason why they've got more options for Allies than the Craftworlders do, but they're all (CWE excepted) listed as desperate. The Craftworlders are pickier, but get on better with their allies.

>> No.28023198

>>28022990
>Do they smoke wraithebone in the webway Yriel?
>Or do they smoke Soulstone turf?!
>OooooOOOoohh!

>> No.28023200

>>28023155
I wouldn't be surprised if those Necron 'allies' found themselves on the wrong end of a rape/torture/whatever after that.

>captcha is autopsies ebailso

>> No.28023207

>>28019406
>>28019406
The Eldar were just barely scrabbling to survive during those times between the Fall and the Heresy.

>> No.28023209

>>28023107

So... where is their God of Death?

>> No.28023216

>>28023178
They managed to get the Necrons to side with them. The guys whom they share with the ''come the Apocalypse'' alliance rating.

That must have taken some high level diplomatic skill.

>> No.28023460

>>28022283
>>28022283
Craftworlds were formerly depicted as Death Star size or much larger. With weaponry covering the thing. In terms of sheer mass, thats 100,000 battleships, the strongest of Imperial vessels, being lined up in a sphere.

Its massive and armed to the teeth and Webway mobile.

40K battleships are the size of Manhattan/Long Island. Craftworlds were depicted as moon size and covered in weaponry and defended by very large fleets.

Take the first Deathstar and remove that stupid vulnerability. Now have the entire thing covered in Turbolasers like grass in a yard. Thats more capital ship weaponry than would be on 1,000,000 Star Destroyers.

See the problem? A single chapter should be getting swatted away with contemptous ease in their ships long before they board. No dodging fire and no avoiding because their is nowhere in your spatial grid that isnt about to be drowned in ordinance. Only a tenth of the weapons aimed at where you will be based on your current trajectory, the rest just blasting away at a 1,000 kilometer cube surrounding your ship.

>> No.28023634

>>28023460
There is fluff somewhere of an entire segmentum battlefleet attacking a single craftworld. The 50 battleship, 80 cruiser, several hundred escort fleet vanished and never returned, the craftworld still present.

They also have gigantic fleets of ships fully capable of tearing incoming fleets to tiny bits. The only fleets that have managed to get past these are tyranids due to sheer uncontrollable scale, and usually because it takes the ENTIRE hive fleet to do it.

And the Doom of Malanti is just fucking stupid, I don't even consider it canon and it's part of the fucking codex.

>> No.28023693

>>28023634
>And the Doom of Malanti is just fucking stupid, I don't even consider it canon and it's part of the fucking codex.

Then fuck you if you consider Ra's stunt canon. Good enough for the Eldar but not for the Tyranids?

>> No.28023717

>>28023634
>There is fluff somewhere of an entire segmentum battlefleet attacking a single craftworld. The 50 battleship, 80 cruiser, several hundred escort fleet vanished and never returned, the craftworld still present.

Oh man I remember that shit. That is some really old fluff.

As cool as it was, we can probably consider it retconned. Eldar aren't allowed to have awesome things. Pretty soon GW will donate their Path system and their Celtic influence to Necrons to go along with the Egyptian influence, high technology, and ancient dying empire shticks they've already handed over.

>> No.28023728

>>28023025
Orks outnumber the hell out of the Imperium and there are scant few worlds out there which have not suffered a Waaagh in the last century.

Yes. Its canon that Orks outnumber everyone, especially the Imperium. They just arent united, at all, and spend a hell of a lot of time fighting each other.

>> No.28023765

>>28023693
Not that guy... but Maugan Ra is like one of the classic 40K special characters. He's an archetypal 40K figure. And furthermore, he's one that nearly everyone seems to like, perhaps because he's implied to do battle with a gunguitar. People are okay with the 'Eldar Primarch' dudes being overpowered, because they're old staples and Eldar are massively outnumbered by everyone else anyway.

Nobody cares about some random zoanthrope from the lates 'nids codex. Shit, considering the way they tend to flush through SC's, he probably won't even be in the next 'dex.

>> No.28023782

>>28023460
I've always imagined it as the Sector Battlefleet trying to treat the Craftworld as a big ship that they can simply bombard until it breaks up, and consequently being defeated, while the Invaders quickly dropped in, launched all their Drop Pods at once, then pulled their ships back and let the infantry do their job. It's still somewhat awkward, but considering the Craftworld itself was under-strength and the Marines still took heavy casualties despite being specialists at planetary/intership assault, feels at least somewhat more fitting.

>>28023634
>And the Doom of Malanti is just fucking stupid, I don't even consider it canon and it's part of the fucking codex.

I actually agree with you, there. The idea of a soul-devouring psychic leech-Tyranid is pretty cool, but one being able to depopulate a Craftworld single-handedly, even after having consumed the Infinity Circuit, is too much of a push. If it had been part of a wholescale Tyranid attack, and the Doom had simply been the creature that tipped the scales, that would have been entirely fine. As it is? No.

>> No.28023806

>>28023717
>Egyptian themes are the monopoly of the Eldar and nobody else

Eldar fanboys, ladies and gentlemen.

>> No.28023810

>>28023717
>we can probably consider it retconned

IIRC, it's mentioned in the core rulebook, and I think the sector fleet referred to in this quote >>28022853 is supposed to be that same one. So it's still part of the fluff.

>> No.28023819

>>28023693
The Tyranid thing is overcoming everyone else through ridiculously superior numbers - so superior that you can actually see their movements on the galactic plane. The Eldar thing is being an ancient race that are few in number but possess heroes so experienced and powerful that they can still play on a galatic level.

So, yes, Tyranids don't get to have the most overpowered singular warriors. Sorry. If you want hordes of monsters that eventually tear down the most resilient defences, play Tyranids. If you want mythical heroes capable of turning away armies by themselves... don't.

>> No.28023847

>>28023634
I dont know, a Tyranid managing to feed off and possibly infest the Wraitbone network sounds like the stupendously bad luck that the Crimson Fist had with the errant missile.

I imagine it infested the network and by the time it was discovered it was too late and then the thing smashed its way through the entire Craftworld spreading through out the wraitbone and Tyrannoforming it and doing shitblike electrocuting entire armies and using the materials and power to spawn armies of Nids everywhere at once. Both directly on the scattered armed forces and the undefended civilian places where they wreaked complete havoc before gathering up and swarming the remaining Eldar.

It reads like tremendously bad luck combined eith something that just wasnt caught in time. Not nearly as bad as the Invader deal.

Nids probably had to bumrush it with a thousand Bioships at 0.99c to make it through or some crazy shit.

>> No.28023854

>>28023806
>jelly at being inferior hand-me-down shit

Technically you're the hand-me-downs of the hand-me-downs, too. Eldar donated some of their Egyptian look to Thousand Sons first.

Enjoy playing your patchwork, pointless faction. It'll go the way of Sisters eventually.

>> No.28023868

>>28023819
>So, yes, Tyranids don't get to have the most overpowered singular warriors. Sorry. If you want hordes of monsters that eventually tear down the most resilient defences, play Tyranids. If you want mythical heroes capable of turning away armies by themselves... don't.

The Swarmlord.

I just invalidated everything you just said.

>>28023765
>Nobody cares about some random zoanthrope from the lates 'nids codex. Shit, considering the way they tend to flush through SC's, he probably won't even be in the next 'dex.

Tyranids fans do, you selfish hypocritical bastard!

A vessel of the Hivemind power overpowering THE pysker race of the galaxy is sweet. It's even sweeter when that thing was engineered from its prey gene code.

>> No.28023875

>>28023782
>>28023782
Or the Eldar turn on the guns, connect them to the Wraith network and watch as the Invaders paltry six ships get smoked. The Astartes scenario is the big "this is bullshit" moment.

>> No.28023897

>>28023819
>>28023819
Its not really the sheer numbers. Its the concentration of them and the fact that if they take a world they can instantly regenerate most if not all of their losses.

You cant simply kill 99% of them like any other faction. Its 100% or bust.

>> No.28023898

>>28023868
Call me back when the Swarmlord kills 32 daemon princes/greater daemons in a singular battle. Sorry, but you're not the mythical warrior faction.

And the Doom of Malantai overpowering the psyker race is fine. Killing a craftworld in one psychic burst? No. I doubt Ra killed that splinter fleet with one shot.

Speaking of, splinter fleet =/= craftworld. We already know it took an entire Hive Fleet to nearly destroy Iyanden. Why would you ever consider killing a mere splinter fleet equivalent to destroying a craftworld singlehandedly in one psychic burst?

>> No.28023931

>>28023868
I think his point (which, incidentally, I don't actually agree with) isn't that Tyranids *don't* have these characters, but that they *shouldn't*.

>>28023875
This is assuming the Eldar react to the situation in time - their Seers aren't perfect and can't catch everything, and they may simply have not been able to respond fast enough to catch a number of ships arriving, dumping a couple of hundred Drop Pods and landing craft, then fleeing. The issue with the Invaders is a bit problematic, but the Eldar aren't perfect; I would be very wary of falling into the mentality of "Oh, the Eldar could have just done X and they'd have won instantly, and they only didn't do X because of writer fiat."

>> No.28023952

>>28023898
You call me back when the any PL have overseen the devouring of 12 galaxies. The experience of the Swarmlord far exceeds any being in this galaxy and its considered a legendary and mythical creature/warrior who obliterated entire civilization across the universe.

>And the Doom of Malantai overpowering the psyker race is fine. Killing a craftworld in one psychic burst?

Yes. Shows the Eldar whom they are dealing with. The terror of the Hivemind vast power.

>Speaking of, splinter fleet =/= craftworld

Splinter Fleet equals a minor Craftworld in my sight. Iyanden was the greatest of all Craftworlds, remember?

>> No.28023957

>>28023898
>it took an entire Hive Fleet to nearly destroy Iyanden

No, it didn't. It took one of Kraken's two largest tendrils - the other was destroyed by the Imperium at Ichar IV, and even then, there was enough of the Hive Fleet left over to survive by splintering into dozens of small, independent Fleets and fleeing into the depths of the Imperium.

>> No.28023973

>>28023819
>The Tyranid thing is overcoming everyone else through ridiculously superior numbers

Or giant super monsters. Tyranids have always had more powerful single warriors than Eldar.

>> No.28023977

>>28023952
We already have record of minor craftworlds turning away splinter fleets. In this very thread.

>> No.28024000

>>28023952
>fragged by Farsight
>mythical

Please, Swarmlord.

Go home.

>> No.28024025

>>28024000
>fragged by Dreadnought
>Mythical

Phoenix Lord, plz.

>> No.28024029

>>28024000
Don't make me bring up a list of the avatar deaths.

It will take all morning, anon!

>> No.28024044

>>28023931
>*shouldn't*

What?

Nobody has the authority to decide what should the Nids have or shouldn't. The Developers decided and they gave them a singular heroic creature and the Tyranids are better off for it, I say.

And that's that.

>> No.28024100

>>28024044
It's a valid opinion. They didn't have special characters during 4th and, IIRC, 2nd edition. They did in 3rd and 5th. Personally I like the Tyranid special characters, though I wouldn't call them *heroic*, and don't feel their inclusion is at all inappropriate.

But as far as I'm concerned, the Doom's fluff is still crap.

>> No.28024239

>>28024044
Ehhh... to be honest, as a Nids player, I find the swarmlord ridiculous.

Stuff like the Red Terror is nice and thematic. The idea of this tracticul geniusss supernid that gets continually regenerated with memories, though... it just doesn't fit the faction. It just reeks of pandering to people who want their army to have everything. It's not enough that w're unstoppable and are about to eat the galaxy, they have to have the best strategic mastermind and the best psyker and the best etc etc etc.

Honestly this kind of shit is the cancer killing 40K fluff. I remember a time when each race had SC's that played to their strengths and their themes, rather than everyone having the requisite tactical genius, everyone having the requisite 'this guy killed an [insert] in single combat' character, etc etc etc.

>> No.28025009

>>28018040
What is in those, anyway? Fluff only, or rules too?

>> No.28025043

>>28025009
Fluff and rules.

>> No.28025088

>>28018253
Source?

>> No.28025115

>>28025043
Anything new/interesting? Also, links?

>> No.28025203

>>28025115
New fluff, rules are not new.

>> No.28026208

ITT eldarfags being just fags.
Even I being eldar fun think Swarmlord must be somewhere on par with PLs.

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