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The alpha and its update are available here.

Previous Thread: >>27603594

Last time we had the best Japanese kit dump ever...and then things got a little weird.

>> No.27640799

If swords are girls, what are the fatherly burly men you secretly want to ravage you?

>> No.27640802
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>and then things got a little weird.

You can say that again.

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>> No.27641041
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Does anybody know if Axebombers will be supported in a future SoS supplement?

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So, because we have so many people posting japanese armours and weapons in here, can you people tell me about the Japanese way to fight in mounted combat?

>> No.27641629

Initially it was mounted horse archery, wherein they spent much of their arrows first before fetching their spears.

Then they acted as lancers in the Sengoku Period.

But the thing with Japan, and East Asia in general, is that cavalry, ANY type of cavalry, is capable of mounted archery.

Though Japan failed to develop heavy cavalry (heavy as in the Eurasian continental sense).

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Mounted archery practice at the Kasuga Taisha shrine in Nara.

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>> No.27643486
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It's October, so I'm gonna tell you about a monster.

The Tarasque was a dragon-thing that terrorized the region of Provence for some years. It had six stumpy legs on an ox-like body covered with a spiky turtle shell, a scaly tail with a scorpion-like stinger on the end, and a lion's head.

The beast was nigh-invulnerable to attack until St. Martha (sister of Lazarus and Mary. Not the Virgin Mary. Not Mary Magdalene either. The Other, Other Mary), having left Judea after the Gospels arrived, confronted the beast alone, anointed it with holy water, charmed it with her holiness, and led the now-docile beast back to the town. Where it was promptly killed by vengeful villagers and the tarasque was so peaceful that it didn't resist.

The villagers convert to Christianity, feel bad about ganking a helpless monster, and rename the city in its honor: Tarascon.

But wait, there's more!

>> No.27643602

Page Two

La Tarasque ended up being an incredibly popular creature of local folklore for Tarascon. It's on the city's coat of arms. More so, there's been a long-running tradition of (dating to at least 1461) the running of the tarasque on Whit Monday, where a giant mock-up of the monster, escorted by dudes in silly costumes, ran through the city, chasing people, occasionally knocking them over, etc. Then it would also be trotted out on the Feast of St. Martha, where it would be part of a recreation of the civic myth of Tarascon.

In short, Tarascon has been celebrating Tarasquemas for centuries before Tarrasquemas.

>> No.27643603

I fucking love those tales. Keep going bro.

>> No.27643632
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le bump

>> No.27643989


Hell, they do two!

>> No.27644028
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>A que ben fé! A que ben fé!
>La Tarascon a rou un bré!

‘Oh that’s well done! Oh that’s well done! The Tarasque has smashed an arm!’

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Oh, Gwynevere, if only your gigantic breasts weren't a hologram

>> No.27644760

So this is basically French version of rugby?

I knew they couldn't be as effeminate as they seem to people abroad. They aren't, they're just hogging the fun events to Frenchies only! How obnoxious!

>> No.27645398


...I thought France competed in the Six Nations Rugby Championship?

>> No.27645572

Native Japanese horses are very tiny, pony-sized. They're tough, like their Mongol cousins, but they're small and not suited for the charges you see in western horses. By comparison, European horses are monstrous. This let Europeans favor mounted charges and Asians generally favor horse archery.

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Yeah, even the ones using ranged atacks charge in one way or other, but then they disengage . Like the Jinetes or the cuirassiers.

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Basically. Also like cuirassiers, in the Sengoku period after the 1540s there was some use of pistols for horsemen, as well as a chunky but short-barreled blunderbuss-like weapon the Japanese termed a "bajozutsu".

>> No.27646523

That said, when Takeda got European horses to start breeding, he became fairly well known for heavy cavalry.

>> No.27646808

It's a damn shame that Takeda is primarily remembered for losing to Nobunaga. As a military leader, his exploits were really impressive, he deserved better than that ignoble end.

>> No.27646937

Yeah, unfortunately, Nobunaga figured out how to decimate heavy cavalry not long after.

>> No.27647068

Rat bastard with his rotating fire and his countermarching and his palisades and his ashigurras.

>> No.27647111

Isn't there no actual evidence Nobunaga ever used rotating fire?

>> No.27647155

I've got no idea. Is that the case?

>> No.27647193

So I'm going to run the fecht I talked about but can someone teach me tRoS ranges?

There are two opponents. One has a weapon with Medium Range, the other has a Long Range weapon. The person with the advantage, who has the Long Range weapon can set if his opponent has less CP or he has more CP, right? And when the person with Medium range closes in, then HE has the advantage, right?

>> No.27647249

It's confusing, here's how I look at it.

The man with the shorter weapon gets an activation cost to all attacks equal to the difference in ranges between him and his opponent.

When the guy with the longer weapon is put at short range, he gets an additional activation cost to both attacks AND defenses equal to the difference in reach.

When going red/red and making that Reflex test, the character with the longer weapon adds a number of dice to his roll equal to the difference in weapon length.

>> No.27647306

Is this activation cost +2 or +1?

That makes sense. Again, +2 or +1 per difference in range?(Medium to Long is +2, Medium to Very Long is +4, or is +1, +2, etc).

That makes sense.

>> No.27647346

If it's Medium and Long, then it'd only be a +1 cost. It's +1 per step.

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>> No.27647774

Not that guy, but it's something I've heard a few times on historical arms forums.

>> No.27648129

> The person with the advantage, who has the Long Range weapon can set if his opponent has less CP or he has more CP, right?
No, that's not right.

When a fight breaks out, the combatants are at the range of the guy with the longest weapon out. In this case they will be at Long range.

The guy with the Long weapon has no modifier because he is at Long range.
The guy with the Medium weapon has to pay 1 die from his CP to make an attack because Medium is 1 shorter than Long. You pay one die for each range step short you are.
If the guy with the Medium weapon deals a "damaging blow," the combatants close to Medium Range. Now the guy with the Medium weapon has no modifier, but the guy with the Long weapon has to pay 2 dice from his CP to make an attack. Long is one longer than Medium, but when your weapon is too long you suffer two dice as a penalty for each range step rather than one.

It's not confusing at all. I find it quite intuitive.

>> No.27648530

It is not confusing, it is just presented and explained in a confusing manner in the books.

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rapier was here, stay mad longswordfags

>> No.27649377

>Not using a ring guard

What kind of fucking casual are you?

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>Implying Pappenheimers are not the most panty-moistening of all sword hilts

peasant, swerve

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Continental Asia, like China and Korea, managed to breed Chargers. Though they aren't as big as anything in Europe, but they do the job.

Plus their heavy cavalry have to bear armor, along with the armored dude.

>> No.27649592

This is why Khergits kick such ass on the battlefields of Calradia. Curse those chargers.

>> No.27649679

Takeda's horses had some of these in their bloodlines too, as I recall.

>> No.27650082

I found the next SoS Reviews: >>27641274

>> No.27650206


May take me a day or two, but I'll look into it.

It may be 2animu4me, and this is from someone with a pretty high Animu tolerance.

>> No.27650239


And then they meet a town or castle and it all goes to shit.

>> No.27650241

I haven't looked into it yet but it looks like Bodacious Space Pirates.

>> No.27650273

It's not. I don't recognize it but I know it's not that.

>> No.27650319


This guy again. Say a prayer for your brother, it's downloading now.

>> No.27650362

There are a lot if myths about Samurai cavalry tactics and the Battle of Nagashino that are really difficult to dispel because even Japanese sources just repeat the myths.
The idea of cavalry charges and samurai lancers was mostly an invention of Edo period imaginations, while period sources paint samurai cavalry if the Sengoku Jidai acting much more like early Dragoons. Mounted infantry who's horses were for getting them around the battlefield faster.

Also it should be noted that Takeda Shingen was long dead and buried by the time if the battle against the Oda. His son Katsuyori had taken over the clan and was nowhere near the tactical genius of Shingen.
The Oda's victory is hailed in the popular mind as this great victory of technology, but the Takeda were WELL aquatinted with firearms and firearm tactics. In reality the Oda victory was more likely brought about by Katsuyori being a tactical dunce.

Also the idea that there is "no evidence" of rotating volley fire by the Oda is Eurocentric wishful thinking that the Japanese didn't di something smart first. What is questionable, however, is the nature of the rotations. Most people believe it was like European rotations of gunnery lines, but tactics of the time suggest it may have been a single line of gunners supported by a line of loaders handing multiple teppo back and forth to one another.

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I know its not either, but the aesthetics look very similar. I wonder if it's made by the same people.

No, doesn't look like it is, comparing their Wiki pages.

Apparently it's called Walkure Romanze: Shōjo Kishi Monogatari. A hentai game turned into an anime. We all know how those turn out.

>> No.27650415

Wow, typing from a phone is a bitch...

>> No.27650433


If it has the equivalent of Alexander, it may be salvageable.

>> No.27650462

>but tactics of the time suggest it may have been a single line of gunners supported by a line of loaders handing multiple teppo back and forth to one another.
Wouldn't that still result in the same volume of fire?

>> No.27650489


From Wikipedia:

Walkure Romanze's story revolves around Takahiro Mizuno, a student studying at an academy with jousting as its main focus for sport.[4] Takahiro acts as an advisor to the riders of the sport.[4] Takahiro goes through each day tediously until the time of the annual competition draws near.[4] Due to some odd circumstances, his childhood friend Mio Kisaki is enrolled into the competition.[4] As she has never even rode a horse once in her life, Takahiro senses the fear in his friend and becomes Mio's coach.[4]

So it's basically Blue/Blue.

>> No.27650498

>Mounted infantry who's horses were for getting them arou
You mean whose.

>> No.27650534

More or less, yes.

As a side note another really fascinating Japanese tactic was having mixed units of archers and gunners, essentially a unit of archers where in the front row every other dude had a gun.

>> No.27650586

My bad. I'm on break at work right now hammering this out on my phone, forgive my random mistakes.

>> No.27650646

That'd be interesting. You'd get the plunging fire of the arrows mixed in with the more direct hits of the firearms.

>> No.27650691
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So it begins! As promised I will now be running this Fecht, hopefully Jimmy will have time to step in during it. This Fecht will be ran as a mini-quest style, but I will still hold majority of control in the story. Choices made by you the audience are just to influence what the next fight is, pretty much. Alright, without further ado I will unveil the two choices for protagonists we have.

Tober the Bartender is a simple man who lives a simple life. All he wants is to work at the local tavern, cause no trouble, and die in his sleep. Unfortunately the rowdy crowd that comes in day in and day out forces him to throw his life in danger time and time again. He is not a particularly smart man, but he isn't stupid either.
Race and Sorcery: F (Human)
Attributes: A(47)
Social Class: D (Low Freeman)
Skills: D (8/8)
Proficiencies: A (14)
Gifts and Flaws: E (1 Major Flaw(Nearsighted), 1 Minor Gift(High Pain Threshold))

Arn the Knight is a young lad who is off to gain glory in order to become a full fledged noble. (He is born only with a nominal title of nobility. In this setting he must be granted full nobility by a landed lord such as a Baron, Count, Duke, Arch-Duke. To do this he must show he is worthy of it.) He is at the strapping of sixteen, wearing a full suit of plate and off to slay scoundrels and woo maidens.
Race and Sorcery: F (Human)
Attributes: C (39)
Social Class: B (Landless Nobility)
Skills: C (7/7)
Proficiencies: A (14)
Gifts and Flaws: F(1 Minor Flaw(Shy), 1 Major Flaw(Phobia: Being Trampled Under A Horse))

And no I'm not going to be a dick with the horse thing. That is only if the threat of being trampled is presented, it will not be the fact he's riding a horse or anything of the sort. Just to be clear these two won't be fighting each other, they're just the choice for our main dudes for fights. Made using Companion rules.

>> No.27650725

>Ah, this Clinton seems like a worthy opponent
>I need to get some of those B-2s

I wish I could have an old general from the past revived as a friend. We'd have such fun together.

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>As a side note another really fascinating Japanese tactic was having mixed units of archers and gunners, essentially a unit of archers where in the front row every other dude had a gun.

Thats actually very commonplace in Asia. Though the Chinese place theirs behind musketeers/flanks.

>> No.27651545

Yeah, battlefield archery didn't die out in Asia as quick as it did in Europe.

>> No.27651699

Didn't Sengoku Japan never made use of blocks, but more like sleeves of everything? You just took 3-4 squads of whatever, ranked them together, and then you had a custom unit.

Granted the terain wouldn't allow for big blocks, but it had to make battles a bit more fluid/aggressive.

>> No.27651819

I think they got more block-like later in the era. Large groups of ashigaru with 7.5m long yari and whatnot.

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I just finished watching the first and so far only episode of Walkure Romanze, an anime based on an eroge I've never heard about. The plot revolves around an academy in what appears to be the modern day, where jousting is the most prestigious sport around the world. The main character is a former Knight, now a Beglieter (which I assume is Squire in other translations) and the constant attempts of every huge-breasted jousting girl in the whole damn school to get in his pants, even though he just wants to brush his horse. I knew what I was in for when I saw the OP, which features like ten panty shots and the worst Boobplate I've ever seen.

The show starts out with a frenzied horse tearing off a girl's skirt and causing her shirt to pop open. Fucking great, it's one of these shows. The main character saves her from the obviously imminent Berserk-esque horse rape, and it is established that said girl is a non-jousting student who is also a fucking idiot. She wants some delicious Main Character dick, and so makes him a lunch to thank him. However, when she goes to the stables to deliver that lunch, she finds that he isn’t there! Oh no! The horse eats the lunch instead, and when it becomes clear that there is no more, goes berserk again and charges after the idiot girl. Along the way, it attacks an unrelated girl who is one of the best jousters in the school, tearing her skirt off. Because that’s what horses do. The assaulted girl believes idiot girl is a knight trying to injure her and sabotage her chances in the upcoming tournament, and challenges her to a duel as main character watches. I assume in the next episode he teaches her how not to get a lance buried in her lungs or something.

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That’s the plot of the first episode. A rapist horse. Also, everyone wants the main character to be their squire/beglieter for reasons that aren’t explained yet or I missed. Surprisingly little jousting for an anime about jousting.

Inspiration: 7/10 The idea of a modern school where jousting and knightly duels are the sport of choice is fucking great for an SoS campaign. Seriously. Make the game about navigating the mixture of courtly politics and highschool bullshit and fighting duels over pointless crap, and you have a great goddamn game.

Fechtiness: 2/10 I assume that the next episode will have more actual jousting, but this one only had about 30 seconds of it. The jousting seems okay enough in portrayal, but every female knight has a miniskirt and boobplate out the ass. I was crying tears of blood by the time I finished this. There may also be other kinds of fighting, as there’s at least one girl in samurai armor and with a katana, but none of those were featured in the episode. I should probably be thankful.

Actual Quality: 4/10 It’s just a stupid harem anime, with a dumb main character and a bunch of girls going after him. If you were expecting an SoS-related version of Girls und Panzer, you will be sorely disappointed. The animation isn’t too bad I guess and the show isn’t any more offensive to the brain than any other harem anime, so whatever.

Skip it. I just summarized everything that can be gained from this episode in the inspiration section, and anything else is just dumb harem bullshit. Damn it, I hope Jimmy has something good for us tomorrow so I can do something else with my time.

>> No.27652031

I hope you're not also the guy who reviewed Indigo Prophesy a few threads ago. I suggested both of these, and when I did so, I didn't actually intend for anyone to subject themselves to it.

>> No.27652042

In spite of that, would you still say that it shits all over Indigo Prophecy?

>> No.27652060

>rating things on scores out of 10
You're more outdated than the weapons and armor we post pictures of.

>> No.27652142

The panty shots fit better into the story than Indigo Prophesy's.

>> No.27652174


I've done all three reviews so far. It's something to do with my life other than sit on my ass and eat Lucky Charms, and I was watching Indigo Prophecy anyway.

The guys who made this are a thousand times greater storytellers than David Cage.

But Anon, I purchased these genuine scores from Japan. Master reviewers folded them over a million times to create the most accurate subjective opinions of all time.

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> jousting anime
God damn it, Japan.

>> No.27652262

So no Fecht time?

>> No.27652287

Except in Britain. For much of the first half of the 1500's Britain, they still had companies of longbowmen.

>> No.27652627

Isn't there still one town somewhere in Britain where the longbow practice laws are still on the books?

>> No.27653233

There is?

>> No.27653495

You should wait until there are people dumping pics. There's probably a greater number engaged in the thread then.

>> No.27653651

Alright. I just had a bunch of stuff written up and prepared, and I thought I'd make Rome happy when he'd swung by and saw we can still crack skulls in when we want.

>> No.27653672
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Thats because Henry VIII plunged the country into Denbts.

>> No.27654508

What do they need swords for? They've already got superior melee weapons.

>> No.27654534

Weapons tend to get lost, broken and stuck in people skulls, having a side arm is always a good idea. Even in a fucking DnD having a warhammer (and longbow) in addition to staple longsword is useful.

>> No.27654575

Shit goes down in the press or after it.

>> No.27655403

I'm having Sacred Blacksmith flashbacks.

>> No.27655407

>Sacred Blacksmith
What's that Jimmy? Also I tried to run my Fecht...tried.

>> No.27655422

Hey, it's alright. Even Galt has failed to run fechts before. It's all about getting the right sort of people online at once.

Sacred Blacksmith was a godawful animu about... A sacred blacksmith. I'd advise against it, but it's my go-to for bad anime references.

>> No.27655442

>What do we need these ubiquitous close combat weapons for, we already have these fragile unwieldy agricultural tools.

You're the sort of person who lost the English the 100 years war, you know.

>> No.27655478

It's the animu the .gif here is from: >>27651694

>> No.27655520

Isn't that katana like, super magical and enchanted? And wouldn't the same be true if he forged like an arming sword or messer?

Goddamn why isn't the messer in the public consciousness. It is so cool.

>> No.27655528
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Both of them have double picks of the same priorities and Proficiency with A isn't as good as you might think. That's not how RoS character generation works. Also, do you expect us to take control of both characters?

>> No.27655552
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Yes, it's enchanted. And even then, Luke breaks his katana all the damn time (though not really any more often than other swords get broke'd).

I haven't a messer here, but I do have a Lochaber axe.

>> No.27655560

So, Jimmy, you said something big was supposed to happen today?

>> No.27655567

I'm going to ask you if you can read. I posted that five hours ago, I'm going to bed. Also I said pick one, which means probably only going with one character. I also said that it was made using Companion rules.

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>I'm going to ask you if you can read
Ara-ara. Such a vigorous passionate young man.
>Also I said pick one
>I also said that it was made using Companion rules.
I didn't say that in that post. You wanna fight?
You will fight, choose your weapon.

>> No.27655722

Yes you did!
>That's not how RoS character generation works. Also, do you expect us to take control of both characters?

And no, I'm going the fuck to sleep.

>> No.27655744

Alright people, show's over, nobody's fucking tonight.

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And every fecht with Australians ended like that.
Big talk and no action, because they can't plan their schedule.

>> No.27655855

For your information, that guy was most likely American. Since in Australia the night is still pretty fuckin' young.

>> No.27655868

Yeah, it's only what quarter past 8?

>> No.27655876

Yeah, while I'm pretty sure it is past midnight in the land of freedom.

>> No.27655919

Hah. Tropical-dwelling, daylight-savings-ignoring master race here. It's just past seven.

>> No.27655950

Man I fucking hate daylight savings. I just found out I hate something. Anyway, shit is fucking bullshit, why should I have to change my fucking clocks for no goddam reasons.
fucking farmers.

>> No.27655952

I'm not serious and don't care.

>> No.27655992

Eh yo mang, candles.

>> No.27656148

I would also like to know of this.

>> No.27656207

>I'm going to ask you if you can read.
Damn, son. Calm yourself down.

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Their so-called "Heavenly horses" aren't particularily big though, they just seem to make up for it by having an insane ammout of muscles in the upper body and calfs . Accordingto art they almost looked square from the front.

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>"So you're going to tell me ahead of time when you're going to pull the trigger, right?"
>"Oh yeah, sure, don't worry about it."

>> No.27657129


Nope. Sacred Blacksmith had zero potential to do anything right right from the get-to-go.

Here we could at least get an okay exotic sports anime out of the mess of fanservice.

>> No.27657477

>Mulan wasnt lying with their shapes of horses.

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Also, if I remember my Three Kingdoms right, Gongsun Zan once fought against a Hunnic tribe who held those horses in white sacred and did not suffer hurting them.

So he established an elite cavalry unit known as the Bai Ma (literally, White Horse) cavalry to fuck the Huns up by using their own religion against them.

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Since nothing much seems to be happening here at the moment, here's a few scans from "It's Bu, Bi and Ki" by Kunimasa Matsuba. All blades forged by the author.

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>> No.27659167

God dammit this article gives me such a headache. Serves me right for reading a Gawker article.


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everyone knows the new fashion trend is dressing like a ringwraith, dunno what they're on.

>> No.27659222

Why? It's a sweet looking piece of clothing using something armor-esque as a piece.

>> No.27659255

Not so much the clothing itself, that kind of goofy/interesting romanticizing has been going on since the Victorian era, but the comments section.

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She really needs to find a better way to work in the straps IMO. The hand-vambrace connector in particular looks like Mad Max level craftsmanship.

>> No.27660140

Dat piece. It's like a chess bishop. The implications are astounding.

>> No.27660353

What a weird boner than the japanese have about polishing blades.

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They have a "weird boner" about largely all forms of what we would probably call functional minimalism. Concepts of beauty such as wabi-sabi and shibumi apply to objects such as blades, as well as the other way around.

I imagine that if modern laws permitted it, fashion-conscious people would openly carry blades of many kinds even today, simply for their beauty and mystique as objects - as well as their loud statement on behalf of personal space and inviolable right to personal, physical immunity.

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But I carry my blades daily, a knife it's ever useful.
It's only than they go to such lengths to polish them than it's a bit weird to me.

>> No.27660802

On the other hand, punk-rock concerts would be a trail of abdomen wounds.

Also, Toyama-ryu is on the tube, sparring with steel blades. Fucking ace.

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>It's only than they go to such lengths to polish them than it's a bit weird to me.

It's what it takes to get all the activities in the steel visible. A look at the result in person and I see exactly why they bother, but your mileage may vary.

It's also something to be approach as art and nothing else, it's only done because it looks nice. People tend to be prepared to go quite far in that pursuit.

In many ways it's also a rather modern thing, even a high end polish in the Edo period may have been considerably simpler than the a full modern polish.

Pic: Kunimasa Matsuba

>> No.27661003

Yeah, you see that where I live, the open carry. But then, I live in the Western United States.
Most people with a knife just carry it in their pocket, but there isn't a law against open carry either.

Which doesn't mean that you get to carry it into a prom or that someone can't tell you to plz go because the other customers don't like it.

But again, it is legal so you do see stuff like cowboy and trucker types who have them, and sometimes, guys who have both that, and a pistol of some description. They inevitably have very loud hair and facial hair, and bold, striking hats/clothes.

>> No.27661129

Pistol Fashion. Oh, what might have been and may be again.

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Seems to be quite a bit of fashion there today too IMO, it's just that it's a fashion going mostly for black, tan and olive.

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>> No.27662127

Nice dump once again, KM. Thanks.

>> No.27662234

Are you the same who post the artesia images? I suffer knowing than it's possible my preffered comics will never get a new chapter.
At least Orc stain seems healthy enough at the moment.

>> No.27662260

List what you read.

>> No.27662913

Orc stain is a really unpleasant sounding name for a comic.

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Just wait 'til you see the cover art!

>> No.27663021

>chopped penis is their currency

It's all sorts of hilarious, as long as you can deal with the sudden presence of penises in a US comic.

>> No.27663109

I can handle dicks, but... Chopped? No wonder it's in an SoS thread that I first hear about this.

>> No.27663214

I don't know why americans have such reject to the nudies.
But heck, have some Orc Stain art.

>> No.27663307

Henry VIII did invest in shitloads of cannon though.

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The pic.

>> No.27663528

There's a bit of a difference between nudity in art, and people using sliced up dicks as currency.

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I am grateful for what I have, yet I'm surprised, that Mark Smylie and Miura are of the same age. Generation of great artists with great dreams.

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And for some reason they really like eclipses and long-haired villains.

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Rescued from page 8.

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Mmm, yari.

>> No.27667427

So, what does everyone think that Jimmy will be laying on us tonight?

>> No.27667466

The thing he was supposed to lay on us yesterday but never did.

>> No.27667495


He only said that he would give us something yesterday.

>> No.27667514

Day before yesterday.

>> No.27667566


I'm looking at the post now. It was made at 3:42 4chan time on October 8th.

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I think it's more a matter of time zones there. It was functionally yesterday.


>> No.27667608


I really, really like Yari. I like pikes and spears in general, but there's just something about the Yari.

>> No.27667611

So Monday night, thus effectively the day before yesterday.

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Yeah, what's this Rome mook playing at, he's a day late.

>> No.27667655

The Omi Yari is a svardstav. I like it.

>> No.27667660


>Well shit.

>> No.27667669

It's certainly a beautiful spear design, though I've always been a little ambivalent how they all seem to have very round, fat points. That seems like a poor choice for a spear.

>> No.27667685

That's not the whole thing, that's just the spear head and its tang.

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>> No.27667706

Mail was less prevalent in Japan than in other spear-using cultures (Europe, India...) so their spears tend to have slightly more spatulate tips. Look at European pikes once you get into the 16th century and onwards, and you see a similar thing happening.

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Yeah, like a svardstav. It's a straight sword on a stick.

>> No.27667761

It's quite alright, and very true. I was supposed to have something new to show you guys yesterday. Or at least, I implied that it'd be yesterday.

Events since then have slowed that down a bit, but we're still getting there. Getting there quickly enough that I feel an apology is required for not getting there quickly enough.

Gentlemen, Combat is almost done, and we've discussed at length, and almost reached consensus on, a pre-release. This would be fixed Combat Rules (You know, ones that actually work), and completed Proficiencies, new maneuvers, wrestling, etc, and the completed weapons/armor updates.

We've arranged for something grand to celebrate. We might be aiming for Halloween, or the week leading up to it.

>> No.27667803

Oh, for some reason I was picturing a svardstav as having blade-to-haft proportions more like a nagamaki. Yeah, an omi yari would be about like that, sometimes with a longer haft.

Tadakatsu Honda was famous for having an omi yari called Tonbo-giri, meaning "Dragonfly Cutter".

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>> No.27667943

That's not true. They just didn't have a period of time where mail was the best armour, so you don't see folks dressing like vikings off to war.

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Will this update have schools, talents, specializations, and all that good stuff?

>> No.27668006

That is the plan. Schools are almost done, even, they're looking a lot better than the ones we had in the update. Talents and Specs are rolling right along too.

Everything's coming up Milhouse!

>> No.27668057


Will it have Boons and Banes?

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Welp, my body is ready.

>> No.27668127

That system will probably not be ready in time, but it won't be much of a loss. A great deal of what used to be Gifts & Flaws that related to combat will now be rolled into Talents, which will be included.

>> No.27668182

I'm personally fine with that, since I've never liked advantage/disadvantage systems in games anyway. Probably won't allow them in games of SoS I run, even.

I just hope that "week before Halloween" doesn't turn into "week before Thanksgiving" and then "week before Christmas", etc...

>> No.27668353

Ironically, Banes are pretty important, in that most bad things that can happen to a character (physical injury being the most topical) can inflict Banes upon them.

It's no longer just an excuse to give a character superpowers, now it's an actual system in gameplay that can be involved at character creation, but doesn't really need to be.

Also there's the Flaw Arc to worry about, but that's easy-peasy. Even when they're not trying to, every player I've ever played with ends up being their own worst enemy.

>> No.27668361


Say a man gets hit in the chest with a longbow's arrow. He has a good suit of plate, so the arrow doesn't penetrate.

What happens to the arrow? Does it just bounce off? Would the impact cause a man to stumble at close range?

Also, do crossbows have any kind of recoil?

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I just wish this "pistol fashion" had more of a fashion sense. There's two varieties, it seems - either muted industrial, or neon double pornstar glitzy. Both are fucking terribly adjusted to civilian life.

>> No.27668507

The arrow would probably glance off to either side, or possibly upwards towards the stopping rib or whatever the equivalent piece is. He might take it in the arm and have it glance off that too, or maybe the arrow could shatter. This is assuming the arrow doesn't dent or pierce the armour in any way. The man would probably feel the impact of the arrow, but I doubt it would hinder him at all.

And powerful arbalests and the like DO have recoil and make a hell of a noise. Tod Todeschini (sp?) on Youtube has a few videos of him touching off arbalests.

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but muh gold plated deagle brand deagle

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>We might be aiming for Halloween, or the week leading up to it.
Fuck yes Nevada Day.

>> No.27668654

There's always revolvers. I've always felt that a black polished revolver with gold filigree is the most beautiful variety of weapon that exists. Tasteful and understated, but an unceasing pleasure to look at.
I don't know how the desert eagle became popular. I guess the hard, square lines of the frame make it look really strong, that's got to be it.

Nevada, one of my top three states. Didn't even know it had its own day. Now I feel bad.

>> No.27668698


Probably because they use large calibers, which in the eyes of many automatically means more powerful.

>> No.27668737

All states have their own day. The day they joined the Union.

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Quiet, you'll draw in a bunch of /k/ommandos and we'll have a 9mm vs. .45 ACP debate raging in here.

>> No.27668845


Jimmy! Jimmy!

Can you tell us a story?

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Right on schedule!

>> No.27668910

That's an unusual request. What sort of story should I tell?

>> No.27668991


Some important historical event or myth in the setting, I guess. Maybe your favorite myth or story.

>> No.27669081

Alright, let me open my big book of eldritch lore here, and see what'd be good.

>> No.27669349

Within the annals of Ruvian Genosism, there are recorded a great number of Solar Paragons. Solar Paragons, more commonly known as Saints, are individuals who perfectly embody some element of the Genosian Creed, and are considered heroes of the religion and all of its practitioners.

It should be no surprise then that a great number of Paragons return as Paladins, since they were the finest followers of Genosus in life, the trend continues after death. Those who return through the gates are immediately canonized, if they were not already, and Paragons who do not return as Paladins are assumed to have some important duty within the Solar Realm.

What is extremely unusual, however, is for an individual to clearly be a Paladin, but for his origins not to be recorded in the Solar Scriptures or the Catechism of Dawn. This would imply that either they emerged in secret, unnoticed, or that they predate the religion at large, both of which are nearly heresy to insinuate openly.

One such individual, who bears great renown, is the one called Victor Slate. It is his legend that shall be shared tonight.

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>> No.27669551

I was expecting it to end in .22LR.

>> No.27669799

Slate is part of one of the very few sub-factions of Paladins. Normally a highly united and organized group, Slate, and a very few others like him, refuse to operate as part of the greater organization, and act independently, striking out alone into the twilight world outside Mount Genosus to continue the works they had pursued in life, rather than submitting their will to the more pragmatic and mysterious directives of the Paladin Order.

These Rogue Paladins maintain their connection to their deity despite their distance and alienation, by coming to embody an aspect of the Solar Creed with such passion that, legend has it, The Indefatigable Sun cannot bring himself to turn away from them, despite their disobedience. The Aspect of each rogue inevitably brings about a title granted by the people who witness their works.

Victor Slate is called The Fist of God.

His achievements are too numerous to easily count, and at times it is difficult to discern between the wrath of The Beast of Dawn, and natural disasters. His targets are heathens, heretics, infidels and wizards, witches, schemers and manipulators of civilized men, and all know him, and of his coming.

His approach is always well-heralded. When Slate chooses a target, they begin to experience visions, hallucinations, and to hear the slow beating of drums. Images of ruin and the creaking sound of a great, swinging chain become unmistakable. Men have run for days from the noise, only to find, behind the final door, their destroyer waiting for them. What remains can generally be held in a single hand, if sheltered from the wind.

Victor Slate is one of the Triumvirate of Paladins, the acknowledged greatest members of the order. The other two are stories for another day.

>> No.27669878

So the setting has paladin witchers?

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In addition to that, Henry also invested in shit projects such as
-Building an unnecessarily large ship.
-Having unnecessary wars with France (under their most powerful King in ages) when he should be focusing on the Scottish Threat (which his wife, Catherine, fucking handled for him while he was losing in France.)

>> No.27670090

It flies of in another direction, or snaps.

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>> No.27670122

It flies of in another direction, or snaps.

>fighign with the french
Synonymous with "being rolled the fuck over by Gen' D' Armes for centuries before and decades after.

Fuck you herny.

>> No.27670146

Archer in the middle has either seen some shit or is really fucking pissed about being stuck wearing women's clothing. Or possibly both.

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On the contrary, he's pretty fashionable.

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Schoolgirl uniforms are fashionable, yes.

>> No.27670404


Well that's a pretty fucking cool story.

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>> No.27670459

Sorry, had to rush out to pick someone up. You don't want to be on a dark streetcorner in watsonville ever, but especially not these days.

>> No.27670499

Getting a strong Solomon Kane vibe from him. This is not a bad thing.

>> No.27670581

>Jimmy's car ride home
>"Do you hear bells ringing?"

>> No.27670674

Both are pretty damn accurate. Each of the triumvirate is supposed to be sort of... Illustrative of a kind of Paladin that is in the setting. Slate is the renegade, Vox is the shepherd, Sulla is the guardian.

>> No.27670719

>I don't know how the desert eagle became popular. I guess the hard, square lines of the frame make it look really strong, that's got to be it.
Fucking children on Call of Duty is why.

>> No.27670761

>When Slate chooses a target, they begin to experience visions, hallucinations, and to hear the slow beating of drums.

So when this guy decides to kill you, you start hearing his theme music louder the closer he gets?

>> No.27670796


> Slate is the renegade, Vox is the shepherd, Sulla is the guardian.
>Sulla is the guardian.
>Sulla is a paladin

Okay, now you need to fill us in on that.

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Way to Rule of Cool dude.

>> No.27670820

Oh please, Deagle worship is WAY fucking older than Call of Duty.

>> No.27670834

I'm pretty sure it was already popular before that. Probably had something to do with bad action movies.

>> No.27670853

>Not Counterstrike
It was Counterstrike

>> No.27670868

He's right, though. It was specifically picked as the gun of the Agents in The Matrix because of how immediately recognizable it was.

>> No.27670874


It started with Hollywood, actually. They used it because it was a fucking big pistol, which was something they wanted for action movies. In video games, the one that really kicked off deagle worship is Counterstrike.

>> No.27670880

I was actually gonna say the first Matrix movie, but CS is actually older than that, innit?

>> No.27670898

And that the fucking things were a perfect parallel to an Agent. A pistol that can shoot harder than some rifles, brutal.

>> No.27670901

Recognizable AND easily made out on the screen.

>> No.27670962

I wasn't really supposed to mention that. The story will be forthcoming soon, though.

Yes. Or if you're not as big of a fan of Hammerfall as we are, it could just be the sound of the flail spinning.

>> No.27670978


Then Looper upped the ante.

>> No.27671020

Never saw that. Was that the one with the time traveling assassin who was Bruce Willis?

>> No.27671057


You can tell a lot about a man by what weapon he chooses to defend the weak with.

>> No.27671086

Oh hell yeah. Great movie, had some plot holes, but still tons of fun. Willis's best performance in years.

>> No.27671116


I really enjoyed that movie. Fell apart a bit with the Telekinetic Anti-Christ, but all around a good sci-fi flick. Something we don't see too often anymore.

>> No.27671149

Not quite. Texas has the day it gained independence. Californians argue about what their day is, and since there's dispute most people just don't celebrate any day at all. I would imagine Hawaii is different too.

>> No.27671253

Yep. Shotguns and deagles got replaced by handcannons and huge revolvers.

>> No.27671331


When you really need to get a guy to do something, all you need is a time machine, the past version of that guy, and a knife.

Man, I'm freaking out just thinking of that scene. Really intense.

>> No.27671462

Speaking of Solomon Kane, did anyone see the movie that came out recently?
Oh lawdy, it was bad, but the good kind of bad.

>> No.27671644

Mate, that was like four years ago.

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Maybe he's a time traveling assassin... who's about to die...

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Using movie trivia to catch time-travelers would make for a great story.

>> No.27671834

>California is stupid and indecisive
Surprise to nobody.

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>> No.27671909

Nah it's like... what would Russia's day be? Or Persia? Some places have more history than others. California has the first time if became a country, the time it became a legitimate state, and the creation of its current constitution.

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>> No.27671961

There was a HQ version back in the day but now I can't find anything above 480p..

>> No.27672027

It should be the day they were admitted into the Union. I'm surprised not every state celebrates that day. I just assumed they did.

>> No.27672737

Traditionally, we've used The Abyss. Creates good imagery.

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Lot of katana stuff in this thread again, so let's mix it up a bit. Meet the liuyedao, whose name means "willow leaf saber". Probably the most commonly used type of pei dao, especially popular with the military.

>> No.27673342

The difference is the former is in a lot of things, and the latter is in one really fucking good comic.

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I've always wanted to see dao vs. Western saber.

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Indeed. That or jian vs. smallsword.

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>Implying rugged and simple swords aren't the best swords.

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>> No.27674390

just can't escape that damn Indian hilt.

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It's the mughal curse, since then all the Hindu swords hilt looked alike.

>> No.27674530

That happened in a Kung Fu movie I think.


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Damn, fucking sexy kaskara.

>> No.27674608

Technically that was jian vs. saber, but yeah. Was a pretty good sequence, too.

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>Probably the most commonly used type of pei dao, especially popular with the military.

There's an old addage in Chinese martial arts:
>It takes a week to attain competence with a dao/saber, a month to attain competence with a qiang/spear, and a year to attain competence with a jian/straight sword."

With the Dao being the Chinese infantryman's main secondary weapon, particularly the short one. Primary if they are assault infantry, specially those bastards assigned to the use of the dadao and zhanmadao.

>> No.27674622

Huh. One would think that the dao and the spear would be reversed in that assessment.

>> No.27674633

A lot of Middle Eastern and North African swords before the introduction of curved blades look remarkably similar to European swords.

>> No.27674653

Spear includes group drills.

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Well, see how the kids play when they are imitating people fighting with swords. They only swing them. A spear and a jian are both thrusting thingies, but a dao has a more "natural" swing in them.
Yeah, I think straight blades are the best for cavalry too, and being the North Africans so adept in light cavalry, they keeped both to fight.

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I dunno if they're the BEST for cavalry per se, but you can't ever go wrong with them in basically any role you'd want to be using a sword in.

>> No.27674717

>Primary if they are assault infantry, specially those bastards assigned to the use of the dadao and zhanmadao.

Dadao was actually considered as a secondary weapon as well. Foot archers and musketeers bore that weapon for melee. Centuries later, RIFLEMEN will have that for their melee weapon.

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Forgot pic.

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Man, none of those look particularly fun to be hit with.

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Nimchas are very sexy too.

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I know right, but many historians claim tetsubo were ceremonial weapons and were nearly never used...not sure about that.

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But the yathagan it's in another league.

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meant to quote

Btw has someone seen the movie heaven and earth. The battle scenes were pretty baller and the most authentic depictions of 15th to 16th century warfare in Japan I have ever seen.

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Oh yeah , found it...that phalanx


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>> No.27675019

I have no idea what you're saying. Even google translate doesnt have an idea what you're saying.

>> No.27675030

God I hate that pic. The kit is accurate to the year, but Empress Jingu was long dead by 366.

>> No.27675035


Here are your production values

>> No.27675039


Because google translate is shit, tamanasiyaro means guy without balls

>> No.27675044

>The battle scenes were pretty baller and the most authentic depictions of 15th to 16th century warfare in Japan I have ever seen.
Eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh, its got some issues.

>> No.27675053


Pretty sure they do, but everything else is just straight out fantasy minus kurosawa.

What are your issues though?

>> No.27675075

Ah i see.

>> No.27675129

What game?

>> No.27675136


boku no artificial difficulty

>> No.27675146

Dark Souls. It's a fan art, the real game it's in 3d and it's more "realistic".

>> No.27675275

Boy, its been a while since I watched it, but let me see if I can remember some specifics.

As mentioned earlier the use of mass cavalry charges, but that's not something you can really blame a film maker for as 1) It looks cool for film, and 2) Not a lot of books today even talk about how mounted samurai actually fought more like Dragoons, because Edo period scholars who have never even seen a battlefield decided it was more heroic and for some fucking reason it hasn't even been until fairly recently that academia has started to question Edo period sources about Japanese history.

That goddamn three dudes swinging around one sword scene. Yeah, they were just mimicking the scene from Kurosawa's Samurai Banners, but still, what the fuck?

Apparently you can load a teppo just by fiddling with the side of the gun a little.

Uniform armies: not really a thing. Though its fine for movies because following the action would be an absolute nightmare, with a few rare exceptions (the Ii family, Date, and ONE army under the Takeda, not the whole Takeda family) uniform armies where everyone on a side has a single color scheme wasn't actually a thing at all. A real Sengoku period battle would have everyone wearing a hodgepodge of all kinds of colors, which is really the whole point of the sashimono as that was the main method of identifying friend from foe.

I'm not too sure about those heavy armor "bulletproof" dudes.

I'm not gonna get much more nitpicky about a lot of the gear on the extras, because goddamn its a movie, you gotta work within certain boundaries and budgets.
Like how people like to bitch about the menpo thing, even though it was specifically to disguise the fact most of the extras were white Canadians.
I do find the decision to put almost all ashigaru in tatami-gusoku interesting, though.

On the other side of that, yes, it is by far one of the top movies when it comes to authenticity. Its a MUST watch for anyone wanting to run a Sengoku Jidai RPG.

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>A lot of Middle Eastern and North African swords before the introduction of curved blades

Just to dismiss an unfortunate implication here: the kaskara specifically most likely doesn't pre-date curved swords, I'm not entirely sure when it appeared, but they tend to be 19th century, sometimes 20th. Occasionally you can also see them for sale as crusader swords or such...

Pic: curved kaskaras. Rare, but apparently they exist.

>> No.27675400

>As mentioned earlier the use of mass cavalry charges, but that's not something you can really blame a film maker for as 1) It looks cool for film, and 2) Not a lot of books today even talk about how mounted samurai actually fought more like Dragoons, because Edo period scholars who have never even seen a battlefield decided it was more heroic and for some fucking reason it hasn't even been until fairly recently that academia has started to question Edo period sources about Japanese history.

There are many reports of Takeda using cavalry charges...also how do you explain the existence of cavalry weapons if there were no cavalry charges?
Not sure but historians get a boner from formulating exaggerated provocant thesis which question conservative views...so that might be the case here.

>> No.27675506

Its less "no cavalry charges" so much as its "charges not the common tactic." Yes, the Takeda used cavalry charges pretty effectively, but that use of their cavalry was what made them notable. Everyone else's horsemen were of the "mounted infantry" variety.

>Not sure but historians get a boner from formulating exaggerated provocant thesis which question conservative views...so that might be the case here.
It happens, for sure, oh man is there some ridiculous shit out there that grossly stretches and twists facts just so it can be contradictory, but people also like to cry foul when new findings challenge their established perception of history.
ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything Japan and samurai related for some reason.
Just look at how anything ninja related is still an uphill battle thanks to the likes of Stephen Hayes and Anthony Cummins, or how people still believe Nitobe's Bushido or Perrin's Giving Up the Gun have any historical merit what-so-ever.
Sometimes when romantic views of the past take hold people will refuse to let them go no matter what.

Also a lot of Japan's cavalry weapons didn't necessitate a charge to be effectively used from horseback.

>> No.27675553

>Yes, the Takeda used cavalry charges pretty effectively, but that use of their cavalry was what made them notable. Everyone else's horsemen were of the "mounted infantry" variety.

Ok, I feel you...but the battle is between Takeda and Uesegi so it kinda makes sense to show the red commies charging, especially from a cinematic pov.

Stephen Hayes ain't a historian, his discourse is not academic. ;)

>> No.27675567

>Just to dismiss an unfortunate implication here: the kaskara specifically most likely doesn't pre-date curved swords, I'm not entirely sure when it appeared, but they tend to be 19th century, sometimes 20th

Well ain't that something and a half.

>> No.27675578

>Stephen Hayes ain't a historian, his discourse is not academic.
Tell that to the legions of ninja fans...

>> No.27675599


Those people are lost, simply ignore them. What bugs me is that the academic community seems to try hard to make a negative of those misconceptions instead of ignoring them...they are afraid of being tainted with weeabooism so they develop those crazy -contradictory at all costs- theories, but that's just my impression.

>> No.27675621

Mostly because its the academics on the defensive, I've sat through many a lecture and conference where someone inevitably brings up ninja and goes on a rabid tirade in defense of the magical black clad assassin clans from China.

Plus education is kind of half the point of academia, not sitting around circlejerking about how right we are over those unwashed plebs. We're supposed to teach the unwashed plebs, not scoff at them.

>> No.27675657


I feel you, I had to attend two semesters of Japanese history since I'm a bachelor of East Asian economy and politics and the prof tried so hard to avoid topics that were even losely related to samuraiphilia.

Out of pacifism she managed to sum up sengoku jidai basically with 'there were many lords fighting and Nobunaga won, war is bad mkay'.

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When something commonly held to be real is said not to be real, people have a tendency to react poorly. It does not help that proving that something didn't exist is very, very hard, and proving that something did exist (or that people thought it existed) is very easy.

This is even more true among laymen, who spend their entire lives watching historians decide that flails were never used in war, only to find six hundred flails in a burial mound in Bucharest. Or, how decisive battles were thought to be favored in medieval warfare, but then we find that it was all sieges, and the modern scholars were just projecting the emphasis on aggression from their own day onto the past. The historical community has its head so far up its own ass with kids trying to make a name for themselves by challenging convention that nothing is credible anymore unless you dig up its arc of the covenant.

Without access to extant sources and piles of research data and information that discredits the commonly-held evidences upon which historical misconceptions are built, how is a regular person supposed to take such a thing seriously? It's just a crowd of people with worthless degrees telling you contradictory things.

>> No.27675757

>It's just a crowd of people with worthless degrees telling you contradictory things.

Reminds me of university in general. I should've gone to a fucking trade school.

>> No.27675766


That's the point of science, you are not supposed to believe them without scepticism, everything can be discussed. Adjust your opinion on the current resarch results and make up your mind on the different interpretations of them.

>> No.27675768

I hate it when stuff like that happens, too. When academics go so far out of their way to try to avoid ninja/samuraiphilia that they completely gloss over one of the most important periods of economic and cultural development in Japanese history.

That's another trend that I dislike, the whole "we're done with samurai, completely" thing that's going on in Japanese academia, especially in the West. Want to study the rise of the military-centric government from the Heian to Kamakura period? Or even the long term effects Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea on East Asian politics? Too bad, so sad. No one wants any part of that shit anymore. War is icky, and we ignore it now as some fringe interest despite being one of the driving forces of human civilization.

Want to study Tokugawa law codes and the legal methodology of the courts? Have a scholarship.

This kind of attitude stems from a gross misunderstanding of the Humanities and how they operate.
I think one of the bigger problems is the misunderstanding that our understanding of history is anything but a snapshot of our current understanding. It happens a lot with the sciences, too, where someone finds new information that challenges old information or cross references known information in a manner that wasn't previously thought of, and suddenly the academic community goes "neat, new information" while the layman goes "YOU'RE JUST A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH WORTHLESS DEGREES TELLING US CONTRADICTORY THINGS!"

>> No.27675772

>Perrin's Giving Up the Gun

Oh, that was so fucking hilarious. The guy bullshitting his way around the fact that he had absolutely no idea that disarmment had beenn the standard peackeeping proceedure for a few hundred years already.

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>the progress of science is the PROBLEM with science and not why we even bother with it.

How about you shoot yourself somehwere quiet?

>> No.27675878

You assume that this is about laymen seeing new information and rejecting it, but this is wrong.

The problem is that laymen are never presented with new information, they're constantly bombarded by opinions masqueraded as information, and then given no way to differentiate between opinion and fact. Scholars seem to think that their word is good just because they're scholars. But the last guy was a scholar too, and the one before that. Laymen are stupid, but not SO stupid that they are incapable of reading evidence when it is presented to them.

This is something that we have apparently not assimilated yet. If you want to convince someone that sky-knights weren't real, when every depiction of Medieval Croatia has sky-knights plastered everywhere, you need to tell them WHY you believe this. Show them the steps in logic that brought you there. Show them your evidences and your papers. Your word isn't good enough, and you should not be outraged when people are reluctant to believe you out of hand when you tell them that their sky-knights were mythological, but offer them nothing except your word and a degree to justify it, because they have been told by every asshole before that X is true, and they want something to chew on if you're going to take that out of their mouths.

Remember how ten years ago, everyone thought that arabs all used curved swords and Euros all used straight swords? This is pop culture, but it was cleared up because people in the know started sharing information, but just opinions but information. Messers, falchions, sabers, these are things that you can SHOW people, same with straight moslem swords. So now the stereotype is fading, albeit gradually.

What I'm saying is that this attitude, where regular people don't immediately come over to your side when you share your immense wisdom with them, is not THEIR fault. Show them some fucking data!

>> No.27676088

You know, every time I bring this sort of thing up, it is met with the same attitude. Look. I hate misinformation. I hate ignorance. I love history and I love learning new things, and when I am shown things that conflict with my viewpoints, I'm willing to listen.
My complaint is laziness, and I will never tire of voicing my disdain for laziness. There is nothing more aggravating or more insulting to me than the belief that one is entitled to be believed. It's absolutely ridiculous.

In order to get these new ideas and this new information, to achieve this progress, the scientist had to get it from somewhere. So why is there ever a debate with the ignorant? Why is it an argument? If you have data, show the data. If you don't have data, why do you think anyone ought to believe you, and why is it an act of diabolical evil to scoff at being told to believe something without evidence to justify its deviation from what is already believed?

Even if that evidence is a lack of evidence, you can explain that there are no sources supporting something, you can discredit the ones that everyone turns to, as surely you must have to have come to this conclusion yourself, and you can show the alternatives, anything except just repeating your damned opinion over and over! It doesn't convince anybody, and it isn't going to start convincing them just because you tell them to kill themselves.

>> No.27676415

Jesus, just fuck already. Christ. We gonna do a new thread or what?

>> No.27676620

I really hope they get some sor tof an map of the tattered realms before beta. It's imbossible for me to run my idea in it otherwise.

>> No.27676710


You'd have to do it. I'm on my phone and have no good art.

>> No.27676973

Here is your new thread.


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