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[ERROR] No.27581738 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Of all the factions in the 40K setting, which one has the largest kill count?

>> No.27581759

>>27581738
To keep it fair, lets say the highest kill count within the galaxy.

>> No.27581767

IoM. Each Exerminatus contributes millions if not billions. Then there is feeding Astronomicon, disciplinary measures, etc...

>> No.27581774

Necrons, Eldar or the Imperium

>> No.27581775

>>27581738

Orcs if you count friendly fire

>> No.27581788

Impossible to accurately count the number who might have died because of Chaos.

>> No.27581825

>>27581774

Care to clarify your Eldar thing? Are you talking pre-Fall, etc.

Personally I think it has to be either Necrons, Tyranids, Orks, or IoM. Necrons wiped out an entire race and fought for an unknown amount of time way back when, Tyranids may have consumed multiple galaxies worth of biomass, Orks are always fighting, and IoM simply has the numbers to boast "most kills" as well as "most casualties".

>> No.27581858

This thread is just pointless speculation, one of the worst kinds of threads.

>> No.27581862

>>27581825
I'm assuming that with eldar he's counting eldar kills. No one has killed more eldar than the eldar.

>> No.27581867

>>27581825
They've been around as long as the necrons, and spend most of that time as the superior species in the galaxy. And nobody said that it only counts hostile kills.

Nids most likely win after more careful thought, though, we don't know how much they've killed before reaching us.

>> No.27581887

>>27581738
>Of all the factions in the 40K setting, which one has the largest kill count?

ALL of them.

>> No.27581909

>>27581858
I wouldn't say speculation in itself is bad, but when a thread turns into a back-and-forth of "my faction is stronker than your faction", which this thread has a good chance of doing... Well, we'll see.

>> No.27581919

>>27581909

Luckily it seems as if no players or rabid fanboys of the factions currently being discussed have posted in the thread yet.

>> No.27581929

>>27581919

Bah, fine, let's ask a better question.

Is entropy inherently Lawful or Chaotic?

>> No.27581944

>>27581929
Is Entropy not a LAW of thermodynamics?

>> No.27581968

>>27581929
>CHAOTIC NEUTRAL: This view of the cosmos holds that obsolute freedom is necessary. Whether the individual exercising such freedom chooses to do good or evil is of no concern. After all, life itself is law and order, so death is a desirable end. Therefore, life can only be justified as a tool by which order is combatted, and in the end it too will pass into entropy.

entropy = chaos

>> No.27581977

>>27581738
Eldar. They successfully killed 99.9% of their entire race.

>> No.27582002

Orks, Necrons, Imperium, Chaos, DEldar, regular Eldar, Nids, Tau.

>> No.27582009

>>27581738
Chaos. Really, nobody else really comes close.

>> No.27582018

All the people in this thread saying Eldar are really saying Slaanesh.

>> No.27582022

>>27582018
Eldar made Slaanesh, they own it's achievements.

>> No.27582030

>>27582022
>it's

How rude.

>apostraphe

Hue.

>> No.27582041

>>27582002
/thread

>> No.27582057

>>27582002
>>27582041
>Tau

But that's like the one faction you can say without a doubt has the least kills.

>> No.27582058

Tyranids. When they consume a whole planet, they consume everything, even insects and tiny organisms. That's a lot of kills right there.

>> No.27582064

>>27582057
That's why they're last.

>> No.27582069

>>27581858
Ok

>> No.27582075

>>27581867
they were created to deaal with the necrons

the necrontyr came first

>> No.27582104

>>27582058

Get out of here hippie.

>> No.27582112

>>27582057
>But that's like the one faction you can say without a doubt has the least kills.
What about Squats?

>> No.27582126

>>27582112

Bet squats got more kills for the time they existed than Tau did in the history of their race.

>> No.27582293

>>27581774

Eldar definitely win out of those 3. Necrons have been sleeping most of their existence. Imperium hasn't been around long enough. The Eldar even in their post-fall state can wipe out hundreds of millions by causing an Ork Waaaagh and pointing it at the Imperium.

>> No.27582309

>>27582293
I'd say those are ork kills

>> No.27582328

>>27582309

Not when it wouldn't have happened without Eldrad's direct intervention. He is responsible for the Warboss rising power and pointed him in the right direction.

A good farseer doesn't need to get off the couch to kill some monkeigh. He can just hand you some miscellaneous items, rearrange your furniture and presto, your firstborn son will be born a retard and your wife will die in childbirth. Deal with it.

>> No.27582398

>>27582328
still ork kills

>> No.27582401

>>27582293
If you include DE then yes they are top tier.

>> No.27582413

>>27582398
Do you ever done work with others hands?

>> No.27582432

>>27582398

You're kind of arguing that an Evil Overlord has no blood on his hands because he send minions to do his bidding. Orks were merely pawns in Eldrad's game.

>> No.27582453

>>27582432
To me it's the difference between guiding and ordering.
Ork kills, Eldar victory

>> No.27582463

COUGH at least twelve galaxies COUGH

>> No.27582469

>>27582463
Inside this galaxy. Not counting outside of this galaxy.

>> No.27582481

>Of all the factions in the 40K setting, which one has the largest kill count?
er the dudes who exterminated several galaxy worth of life already. Nids of course. Ignoring them then it's...

Direct kills: NECRONS
These guys have been going exterminatus across the galaxy for the last 60 million year

Indirect kills: NECRONS
These are also the guys who created the first daemons by driving captured gods and psykers insane with torture. They are indirectly responsible for the rise of Chaos and the fall of the Eldar. Those are pretty impressive stats.

>> No.27582485

>>27582104
>hippie
Huh what?

>> No.27582487

yfw in the 7th edition Eldar codex Ghazghkull encounters and destroys Ulthwé after abandoning the war on Armageddon.

>> No.27582504

>>27582453

A distinction without a difference really. Does it matter whether Eldrad lied to the orks or whether he made a direct order? If anything you deserve bonus points for killing the enemy without losing any of your guys and killing another enemy in droves at the same time.

Either way Eldrad made a decision, acted upon it and then watched from his couch. Gif related.

>> No.27582548

>>27582481
>er the dudes who exterminated several galaxy worth of life already. Nids of course. Ignoring them then it's...

Nid boyz always flaunt that around and ignore the Chaos fluff which says Chaos, not only has annihilated galaxies, has destroyed the majority of the universe.

Chaos holds the cosmic title and not the Tyranids.

>> No.27582556

>>27582487
Then Karandras would pop-up and say he is eldar biggest boss.
Ghazgkull would consider him orky and offer to join his WAAAGH.
And this is how eldar reqonquest of Galaxy would begin.

>> No.27582566

>>27582481

>They are indirectly responsible for the rise of Chaos and the fall of the Eldar.

They really aren't. Thats from a piece of fluff taken from the Imperial perspective and it makes no sense given what we know about the Eldar. It claims Nighbringer's defeat at the hands of Khaine made Eldar afraid of death and that this somehow caused the Fall. It's not only vague, but illogical seeing as Eldar continued to resurrect well after the defeat of the Necrons. Death would not mean a thing until Slaanesh came along. It's a really tenuous attempt to make Necron's important by taking credit for Slaanesh's work. The Eldar dug their own grave.

>> No.27582593

>>27582481
>Indirect kills: NECRONS
>These are also the guys who created the first daemons by driving captured gods and psykers insane with torture. They are indirectly responsible for the rise of Chaos and the fall of the Eldar. Those are pretty impressive stats.

what the shit? is this in the newcron fluff?
Goddammit...

>> No.27582597

>>27582556

Clan Dakkaface STRONK.

>> No.27582605

>>27582566
Nope, it was The Nightbringer's curse that caused the Fall.

And don't see it doesn't make sense. A reality warping god willed it and so it happened. There is no arguing with it.

>> No.27582695

>>27582605

>There is no arguing with fluff in a setting where everything is deliberately vague and from subjective viewpoints

Only if you make it your business to be delinerately obstinate. Claiming it's 'magic I don't have to explain shit' does not help your claim that this isn't vague and subjective.

Making a self resurrecting race afraid of the one thing that doesn't effect them is like threatening asbestos with fire. It's been thoroughly established the loss of reincarnation did not come until Slaanesh. Eldar were not effected by death until then. The Necrons foresaw this, but did not do anything that contributed. The Fall was entirely down to Eldar being increasingly bored and kinky when left to their empire and Slaanesh fucked them up for it.

In the same way the Marine codex spins the Iron Cage as a victory or the Eldar paint the Siege of Alaitoc as 'just as planned' the Necron codex paints Nightbringer's loss in a less humiliating way.

>> No.27582700

>>27582504
There is a difference.
If you convinced your neighbour to mow your lawn your lawn would be mowed but no one in your household wouldn't have done any mowing.

>> No.27582727

>>27582593
>plunged his mighty war-scythe into the hallowed ground of Xoth. As the War in Heaven neared its climax, it was Ahmontekh that breached the Walls of Ib and who was first to pass through the Dolmen Gate on the brink of the Ebon Void. It is said that Ahmontekh defeated beings the ancient Eldar revered as gods, and that even to this day the last of the Old Ones’ progeny hold him in a unique blend of hatred and fear.

>He saw that, because he had slain one of their gods and laid waste to vast tracts of the webway, the Eldar would never rest until he was hunted down. The Star-Slayer knew that the Eldar, or their heirs, would stand eternal vigil over any region they believed might harbour his secret resting place.

-Outer Reach

I will never get why people would hate such great lore. Metal Overlord robot punching out gods so hard they freaked out and blew everything up.

Anyone would find this fluff great, normally.

>> No.27582728

>>27582593
>is this in the newcron fluff?
Nope, it's straight out of his ass.

>> No.27582763

>>27582695
>Claiming it's 'magic I don't have to explain shit' does not help your claim that this isn't vague and subjective.

The fluff clearly states (Here and in the Oldcron Codex) that the Nightbringer implanted the fear of death in all living things (Eldar included and Orks excluded)

If you don't choose to believe that, then feel free in your ignorance.


>The Fall was entirely down to Eldar being increasingly bored and kinky when left to their empire and Slaanesh fucked them up for it.

Lies.

It was the Eldar illogical fear of death implanted by the Nightbringer than drove them to the fall.

>> No.27582766

>>27582700

An equally valid analogy is a boss outsourcing work to another country. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and if you can do it without getting your hands dirty then why not? If your job is to mow the lawn and you get it done without having to push it yourself you're working smart instead of working hard.

>> No.27582800

>>27582593

Necrons had NOTHING to do with any of that shit. The Old Ones created daemons by accident when they made psykers to kill Necrons. The only way Necrons contributed is by being a target for the inventions of The Old Ones.

As for The Fall, Necrons once again contributed by getting beaten. Eldar were left to conquer the galaxy, get ennui stricken, start having danger wanks and then get themselves eaten by Slaanesh while a Necron astro-seer would wake up a millenia later to go 'hurr, I knew that would happen'.

>> No.27582821

>>27582800
Lies, It was the C'tan (Necron partners) that unleashed the Warp horrors and messed up the Warp.

>> No.27582850

If the speculation in fluff is right, and they've already consumed multiple GALAXIES, Tyranids are head and shoulders above everything else.

>> No.27582857

>>27582727
>I will never get why people would hate such great lore. Metal Overlord robot punching out gods so hard they freaked out and blew everything up.
>Anyone would find this fluff great, normally.
Except you know... ELDAR FANS

>> No.27582866

>>27582763

The fluff clearly states its a belated translation of Imperial eye witnesses interpretation of a Harlequin dance. It never mentions how the Nightbringer contributes to the fall, just that he made the eldar fear death which somehow led to the fall.

>Lies.

It was the Eldar illogical fear of death implanted by the Nightbringer than drove them to the fall.

In every Eldar codex EVER, The Fall is attributed to Eldar depravity which in turn created a pool of negative energy in the warp due to the heightened psychic senses of Eldar. Fear is never mentioned as a factor outside the tenuous 2 sentences that connect the Nightbringer with the fall. Loads and loads has been written on the fall and nowhere outside that Imperial Vox record is it attributed to Eldar fear of death. It is always attributed to excess in combination with heightened psychic senses.

>> No.27582876

>>27582850
>There was a time when Tzeentch reigned supreme over all of the Chaos Gods, and held more power than any of them individually. The other Gods became envious, and joined forces to overthrow Tzeentch, thus beginning a conflict that would leave much of the universe devastated. During the final battle

-Blue Scribes

Tyanids are second rate.

>> No.27582879

>>27582766
If a boss outsourced production to another country your country would have produced nothing but still have the product. Hence Ork kills, Eldar victory

>> No.27582895

>>27582857
You doesn't see me throwing a fuss when the Necrons get beaten by Eldar or whatever,

Stop being so sensative, long ears.

>> No.27582900

>>27582895
Don't*

>> No.27582917

>>27582895
>when the Necrons get beaten by Eldar
Newcrons humiliate eldar every fucking time you moron.
It;s the whole point of newcrons.

>> No.27582920

>>27582866

>> No.27582928

>>27582917
Lies.

The Eldar won in their codex.

>> No.27582942

>>27582928
Ahaha ow wow >>27582487

>> No.27582954

>>27582942
Still counts as a victory, but I guess you guys can never be satisfied.

>> No.27582992

>>27582821

Did you read your own image? Psykers, creations of the Old Ones, created the warp with their psychic signatures so that when they feel extremes of emotion the warp ripples and fluctuates in kind. Necrons are soulless and have no impact of the warp. The only way they contributed is by drawing out extreme feelings from Eldar during their battle.

>> No.27583000

>>27582992
Yes, it was the C'tan were the guys responsible for the Warp horrors,

>> No.27583028

>>27583000

You just ignored what I said though. The image contributed the Ctan to warp horrors only in the sense that they tortured some Eldar. Eldar are the ones with warp signatures and the warp is very responsive to Eldar emotions becuase they are particularly psychic and feel everything on a greater scale. That means the Old ones created the wapr when they created the first psychic entities.

>> No.27583030

>>27582954
Oh...l forgot.

The Eldar also won in the battle over the Stars of Khaine. Managing to steal the artifact before the Necrons and Imperials knew what happened.

>> No.27583062

That was the Old Ones who unleashed the Daemons (trying to create/a side product of creating) warp weapons, as that was one of the only things Ctan couldn't just ignore with their physics-ignoring powers. The fact they got damaged by said weapons (and the Enslavers, if that is still in the fluff) is irrelevant to how many any current race has killed.

The Necrons and the Ctan won the War against the Old Ones, potentially netting them the most kills (though by the time they finished killing the Ctan they were in no shape to finish off the Eldar or other created races like Orks or Jokero so slept). The Eldar had a massive empire, but it was mostly peace and love due to their complete mastery of it, until they got too kinky. The ridiculously long empire gives them potential. Nids, excluding "12 Galaxies Herp derp" are too new. Chaos depends on if you count the Eldar "suicide by slanesh" as Chaos or Eldar kills. The Imperium is huge and constantly at war, but expanded pretty fast, so probably don't get a look in. Orks have been killing as long as they have been around, and have nearly been around as long as the Eldar. Tau are completely out.

Between the big 4:

Necrons - won the biggest war in the galaxy, with help.
Eldar - Longest empire, and possibly mega-suicide
Orks - killing as long as they have existed, but probably contained by the Eldar for a long time.
Chaos - If you count the Eldar Fall as Chaos Kills

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