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[ERROR] No.27026752 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Sup, /tg/.

Could you name a group of loyalists who can stand up to these guys? Are there heroes left in the Imperium who can stand before the combined might of the Lords of the Black Crusade?

>> No.27026943

Calgar, Logan, Gabriel Angelos, Mephiston, and Seth.

That should work.

>> No.27026964

Use the general thread

>> No.27027000

>>27026752
He could solo them all while falling off a thunderhawk or a space elevator.

>> No.27027003

In fluff - any mooks will win over them because Failbaddon.

It tabletop - Creed and his pet Baneblade should handle it.

>> No.27027051

Get Sly Marbo on the job.

>> No.27027108

>>27027003
>tfw you field an army of the 8th Cadian
>tfw you almost always creed

>> No.27027126

>>27027108

Do you yell in your best drill sergeant voice?

>> No.27027180

>>27027126
No.

I do carry cigars and smoke one every time I win.

>> No.27027256

>>27027180

You need a burly colour sergeant to follow you around.

>> No.27027257

lol no LEGS

>> No.27027271

>>27027256
I'll start putting out ads.

>> No.27027284

How would the Phenoix Lords fare against those guy?

Am guessing they would lose, right?

>> No.27027312

>>27027284
Maugan ra's left hand beats them all

>> No.27027320

>>27026752
I'm pretty sure that Calgar, Tigurius, Lysander, Shrike, and Sicarius could take them in a fight no problem.

Lysander challenges someone out and murders them (or tanks them for ages in the case of Abaddon), while Calgar fists everyone else to death.

The fight gets even more lopsided if you draw from more SM codices and not just the vanilla one.

Chaos heroes a shit.

>> No.27027322

>>27027284
Yup.

>> No.27027357

>>27027284
One Phoenix Lord beats all of them at the same time.

>> No.27027371

Calgar, Tigurius, Lysander, Dante and Draigo. Chaos is fucked.

>> No.27027377

>>27027357
Pretty sure PLs have lost to ordinary marines before.

>> No.27027405

>>27027357
One of the Phoenix Lords couldn't even beat Talos and his butt buddies.

>> No.27027411

>>27027377
Not in anything that counts.

Abaddon lost to an old man with a stick. In close combat.

>> No.27027443

>>27027411
That ended in a draw and that old one can see into the future.

>Not in anything that counts.

Siege of that one Craftworld and against Talos.

Both of them count cause the fates of Craftworlds were on the line.

>> No.27027457

Calgar destroys them all, mucks up his boots by standing in Kharn's brains, in this dark hour Draigo and the Sanguinor appear and the traitors are triple fucked.

>> No.27027477

>>27026752
>Could you name a group of loyalists who can stand up to these guys?

How big is the group allowed to be?

>> No.27027490

>>27027443
Black Library.

>> No.27027495

>>27027477
Make it 5 guys.

>> No.27027504

>>27027457
What about Celestine!? Can she appear outta nowhere to purge heretics too?

>> No.27027505

>>27027405
Didn't she kill all of the night lords ever, and the only the fact that BL isn't canon the reason you still have Night Lords?

>> No.27027516

>>27027477
Let's say one-for-one, so no more than five men, no vehicles.

The Custodes might be able to pull it off.

Frankly, if I were in charge of GW, I'd have Chaos pull off an actual invasion of Terra and actually kill The Emperor. Then, the plot changes from "Stalemate at the Chaos Gate" to "Galactic search for the Star Child"

The game can stay in Stasis, but it advances the plot, and lets Chaos have a real reason to be popping up all over the galaxy.

This is just wishing though.

>> No.27027521

>>27027504
No one cares about Sisters.

>>27027505
No, she failed utterly and her action caused the Night Lords to lay siege to Ulthwe. And BL is counted as canon.

>> No.27027522

>>27027505
Nope.

One of the Nightlords suicide bombed her and another one put her out of her misery.

>> No.27027548

>>27027522
But all the night lords were killed. The suicide one was the last living night lord (the dread killed her).

>> No.27027550

>Calgar
>Sicarius
>Tigirius
>Cassius
>Chronus in a fellblade
truly the greatest of them all

>> No.27027562

>>27027495
Calgar, Tigurius, Mephiston, the Sanguinor, Draigo.

>> No.27027564

>>27027548
Only Talos' crew of Batmen was killed. There was another Night Lords warband in the series that survived and left.

>> No.27027566

>>27026752
Calgar, Lysander, Draigo, Logan, Yarrik

>> No.27027567

I can't. Not because it's impossible, but because it's something that would actually advance 40k's plot.

>> No.27027572

How did their siege go? did they all starve to death since they can just slip through the webway basically anywhere?

Did they just ignore the Night Lords as there's no way there are enough of them to siege an entire craftworld?

Numbers don't add up.

>> No.27027574

>>27027548
>The suicide one was the last living night lord

In one tiny warband.

>> No.27027607

>>27027572
>How did their siege go?

Unresolved.

>did they all starve to death since they can just slip through the webway basically anywhere?

And you can blow up webway gates.

>Did they just ignore the Night Lords as there's no way there are enough of them to siege an entire craftworld?

But there is. Space Marine chapters have done it before, never mind a Legion.

>> No.27027610

>>27027574
That's like an entire Chaos army, and since legions = warbands now (thanks to GW), and nightlordsords = a legion, she therefore killed all nightlords

>> No.27027614

>>27026752
Russ, Khan, Vulkan, the Lion, Sanguinor.

>> No.27027620

>>27026752
Sure. the Imperium Terran Local 549 Stairmaker union. Granted once demons show up it gets more complicated and you actually have to bust out a unit, but for the most part the stairmaker unit has this covered.

>> No.27027621

Lucius is a big problem I can't see anyone going around.

>> No.27027635

>>27027610
Nah, you're talking shit, they even show more Night Lords at the end. The Legions are split up into smaller warbands, one warband is not the entirety of a Legion.

>> No.27027642

>>27027621
Does a servitor with a grenade launcher loaded with vortex grenades count?

>> No.27027644

>>27027621
Draigo takes him.

>> No.27027659

>>27027607
>And you can blow up webway gates.
What, all of them? The entire structure (the size of the earth, and not only the surface but volume) is bound to have loads of webway gates. They'll run out of explosives long before Ulthwe run out of gates. If they get into an attrition war, they plain lose.

Chapters 'sieging' craftworlds is the stupidest thing an author can write, because they don't understand the implications of the structures, or the limits of 1000 dudes against a place where they can just blow the dome and drop the gravity and let them all float into space.

>> No.27027663

Grimaldus can't die.

QED.

>> No.27027668

>>27027610
Cut it out.

>> No.27027685

>>27027635
Nope. All Night Lords ever. As GW have declared Legions as Warbands, mathematically she killed all Night Lords. You're arguing with maths now, if you try to say differently, you're denying 2+2=4.

>> No.27027692

Four generic chapter masters and Tigrius.

>> No.27027702

>>27027659
Invaders dud it.

A Space Wolves company(Legion) Did.

Emperor's Children (Chaos Marines) nearly did it.

A chapter worth of marine can conquer entire systems on their own. I don't see a problem.

>> No.27027704

>>27026752
A random imperial navy captain with an armory full of life eater virus torpedoes and an itchy trigger finger.

>> No.27027712

>>27027659
>What, all of them?

Yeah.

>The entire structure (the size of the earth, and not only the surface but volume) is bound to have loads of webway gates.

They don't have that many, it's not DoW, and many are long sealed on account of daemons.

>They'll run out of explosives long before Ulthwe run out of gates.

Nah, they've got a fleet.

>Chapters 'sieging' craftworlds is the stupidest thing an author can write, because they don't understand the implications of the structures, or the limits of 1000 dudes against a place where they can just blow the dome and drop the gravity and let them all float into space.

And yet chapters can and have won. Legions have too, during the great crusade the Eldar had to beg the Space Wolves.

>> No.27027725

>>27027702
1 craftworld > entire sector.

Originally, trying to invade a craftworld cost the Imperium entire sector fleets, and completely failed even then so they never did it.

>> No.27027741

>>27027712
That's just bullshit mary sue black library writing though.

Eldar don't bow their head to anyone.

>> No.27027749

>>27027725
Never send a Guardsman to do a Marines job.

Unfortunately for these Eldar, they will face marines.

>> No.27027756

>>27027685
>Nope. All Night Lords ever.

They show more Night Lords later in the novel though.

>As GW have declared Legions as Warbands

Yeah, each Legion has separate warbands, plural.
You're arguing that 2=4, but that's not the case.

>> No.27027764

>>27027741
>Eldar don't bow their head to anyone.

But CSMs and Orks have been known to enslave Eldar....

>> No.27027776

>>27027712
>And yet chapters can and have won.
Thanks to ward. It literally never happened before Ward.

>Legions have too, during the great crusade the Eldar had to beg the Space Wolves.

Back then, Craftworlds were refugee crippleships. Modern craftworlds are 100 times the size, and have several death fleets each capable of wiping out system's worth of defences.

>> No.27027784 [SPOILER] 

>>27027741
>Eldar don't bow their head to anyone.

Taldeer bowed her head to a certain Assassin once if you know what I mean...

>> No.27027786

>>27027000
The more I see the designs of Space Marine, the more amazed I am at how detailed they got the power armor

>> No.27027793

>>27027741
Yeah they do. The were the servants of the Old Ones, and were enslaved by the Mon'keigh for many years. Eldar are pansies.

>> No.27027810

>>27027784
Oh you.

>> No.27027827

>>27027776
>Thanks to ward. It literally never happened before Ward.

Gav did it in his Paths books, and i doubt he was swayed by Ward, being an old hand at GW himself.

>Back then, Craftworlds were refugee crippleships. Modern craftworlds are 100 times the size, and have several death fleets each capable of wiping out system's worth of defences.

Nah, Eldar are a dying race, they've only gotten weaker since then. They begged once, they'd do it again.

>> No.27027836

>>27027793
Apparently, Eldar are the longest standing dominant race in the galaxy. If Eldar are pansies, what does that make everyone else?

Mon'keigh was retconned out by omission due to embarrassment. They don't mention that anymore and are more likely to bring back techno-orangutans than them.

>> No.27027857

>>27027827
>Gav did it in his Paths books, and i doubt he was swayed by Ward, being an old hand at GW himself.
Path was post-Ward.

Modern Craftworlds are definitely stated to have grown and become much bigger.

Aspect Warriors didn't even exist during the great crusade, they hadn't got the Khainite sect.

They were a bunch of dudes with no army, no warriors back then.

>> No.27027871

>>27027836
>Apparently, Eldar are the longest standing dominant race in the galaxy. If Eldar are pansies, what does that make everyone else?

Up and comers. Prefall Eldar fell before the Black Legion and were taken as slaves.

There has been no retcon of mon'keigh.

>> No.27027896

>>27027871
Those were just some trading ships. All the proper pre-fall Eldar were absorbed into Slaanesh; those would have wiped out all the legions several times over if they could be bothered.

>> No.27027899

>>27027284
They would likely lose and be utterly humiliated.

>> No.27027923

>>27027857
>Path was post-Ward.

Yeah, and Gav is pre-Ward.

>Modern Craftworlds are definitely stated to have grown and become much bigger.

But the Eldar themselves have dwindled, which means the large areas are just more to defend and easier footholds for the Space Marines.

>Aspect Warriors didn't even exist during the great crusade, they hadn't got the Khainite sect.

They existed, the Phoenix Lords were around during the Fall and taught the Eldar then. The Great Crusade happened after.

>They were a bunch of dudes with no army, no warriors back then.

They always had warriors, any Eldar given a weapon can fight.

>> No.27027926

>>27027899
Those guys would, you mean.

No one beats the Phoenix Lords. If they win, they win. If they are killed, they go down fighting, and then just revive so it doesn't count. If they run... well they never run.

>> No.27027934

>>27027784
I bet that Assassin gave her quite a mouthful too in response.

>> No.27027944

>>27026752
Killin Chaos? I thought this was a hard mission

>> No.27027947

>>27027923
Why would they increase the size of the craftworld 100 times the size?

The only 'dwindling' ones really are Iyanden, and before the nids even they (along with the others) have had enough population growth that they had to grow their craftworlds so much they limit their own webway travel.

>> No.27027949

>>27027857
>Grown
>bigger
>The writter says Eldar number in the low millions in their Craftworlds

>> No.27027951

>>27027896
>Those were just some trading ships.

Sauce? It certainly doesn't say that in the entry. Even if it was a merchant fleet, it would have needed escorts. But the Space Marines easily defeated them and took them as slaves.

>> No.27027978

>>27027702
The Invaders invaded a minor Craftworld that had recently been engaged in conflict with a bunch of Tyranids. The Invaders saw the opportunity and seized it.

The Emperor's Children teleported right into the middle of the Craftworld and started blasting weaponized dubstep in every direction, and then they were chased away.

Alaitoc still happened, though.

>> No.27027985

>>27027926
Unless Abaddon or Ahriman bind their souls and give them to Slaanesh.

>> No.27027986

>>27027949
Writer changed his mind and they wrote hundreds of billions in the Iyandan codex.
>when the writer says he's guessing, he can change his mind.

>> No.27027989

>>27027947
>Why would they increase the size of the craftworld 100 times the size?

I don't think they did.

>The only 'dwindling' ones really are Iyanden

Not true, the Eldar are a dying race. Even in the Wraithknight fluff it mentions that twins to pilot them are becoming much to rare, because the birth rate is dropping.

>> No.27027994

>>27027923
>They always had warriors, any Eldar given a weapon can fight.
Yep. Even the most peaceful gardener or sculptor is as savage and vicious as a Space Marine in combat, and just as skilled too (but he's less tough and strong due to no fancy parts, but has more balls as he does it with a t-shirt and a shotgun)

>> No.27028002

>>27027989
Every codex says so.

>> No.27028003

>>27027986
>Writer changed his mind

No he didn't. Another writer wrote something else.

>> No.27028017

Could these guys wipe the floor with them?

>> No.27028020

>>27028003
Doesn't matter. He was wrong; hundreds of billions is official.

>> No.27028027

>>27028002
Where? I know it says they're dying out though.

>> No.27028033

>>27027896
Craftworlds were originally trading ships. Although that's not a fair comparison, seeing as how modern Craftworld have grown and been militarized.

>> No.27028046

>>27027986
Iyanden was noted as one the few craftworlds that escaped relatively unharmed and had prospered. So clearly its the exception to the rule.

Anyways, Iyanden lost its population and now is the most deserted and desolate Craftworld out there. Less than a few millions would be my guess.

>Writer changed his mind

Never heard that Gav changed his mind. Source!

>> No.27028056

>>27028017
They were said to be fighting in Cadia or around it turning the 13th black crusade.

So possibly. Full strength Necron can do pretty much whatever they want

>> No.27028064

>>27028020
Space Marines killing hundred of billions of Eldar is official too.

>> No.27028068

>>27028027
Since the Fall the original Craftworlds have grown
cons iderably in s ize, so that they are now ten or a
hundred times larger than the original trading ships
which lie at their cores.

>> No.27028069

>>27027926
>No one beats the Phoenix Lords
Except for when someone does. Jain Zar was defeated by a few Night Lords. Maugan Ra, Baharroth and Karandras couldn't stop the Sons of Orar's invasion of Alaitoc.

>> No.27028080

>>27027741
the problem with eldar defending a craftworld is that they only have one aspect of warriors suited to defensive positions plus wraithguard, the rest of their tactics rely on hit and run, which means regardless of the playing field, eldar on the defense are at a big disadvantage

>> No.27028087

>>27028064
nope.

>> No.27028113

>>27028087
Yup. Marines have destroyed Craftworlds, so if Craftworlds have hundreds of billions then Marines have killed hundreds of billions.

>> No.27028131

>>27027477
>Could you name a group of loyalists who can stand up to these guys?

This. I think the Imperial Guard could easily do it. Throw in some bad ass leaders and it would be a piece of cake

>> No.27028139

>>27028069
Jain Zar is back, so she didn't lose. And she went down fighting, so it doesn't count.

Maugan Ra, Baharroth and Karandras let them in to teach Alaitoc a lesson, because Illic pissed them off too much (yoofs prefer Illic these days rather than dusty old phoenix lords)

>> No.27028152

Pretty sure there was a story of a single nid eating a Craftworld.

>> No.27028165

>>27028113
They only destroyed ready killed ones, like the crippled Idharae. Something else had already killed them.

>> No.27028167

>>27028131
But how about the 'Zerker Rangers?

>> No.27028180

>>27027951
I think he assumes that they weren't warships because there's some fluff about how all Eldar defenses were automated. Trading ships were basically small craftworlds but without having been militarized.

>> No.27028186

>>27028139
>Jain Zar is back, so she didn't lose. And she went down fighting, so it doesn't count.

That only works with Orks!

>Maugan Ra, Baharroth and Karandras let them in to teach Alaitoc a lesson, because Illic pissed them off too much (yoofs prefer Illic these days rather than dusty old phoenix lords)

Illic been confirmed to be the most important Eldar in the galaxy. Dude is all what holds back the end days from happening. He is like the Eldar super hero.

>> No.27028191

>>27028139
>Jain Zar is back, so she didn't lose.

But she did. If a fighter is knocked out in the ring then they lose, even if they didn't die. She also failed to stop the Prophet.

>And she went down fighting

She went out crawling away and got stepped on.

>> No.27028215

>>27028165
Space Wolves killed a whole Craftworld, and the Sons of Orar brought one to its knees, only not finishing the job because of their slighted honour.

>> No.27028231

>>27028139
>Jain Zar is back, so she didn't lose.
She was stepped on by a Dreadnought, after just barely not dying outright from taking a grenade to the face. She was defeated.
>And she went down fighting, so it doesn't count.
What kind of reasoning is this? It doesn't count as a defeat because she fought back?

>> No.27028243

>>27028068
but large portions are sealed off, empty and desolated, as they no longer have the resources and manpower to operate/use them, they've grown only to replace things that they can no longer fix, and to add combat functions to a re-purposed trade ship. eldar are a dying breed, they suck at defense, and have to brainwash themselves to be able to kill without going insane.

>> No.27028267

The Doom solod a Craftworld.

>> No.27028276

>>27028165
and alaitoc?
how do you explain them, when they had time to call in reinforcements and prepare a fleet for defense?

>> No.27028283

>>27028186
>Implying Eldar aren't the same species as Orks

>> No.27028290

>>27028215
The Space Wolves wiped out a Craftworld of unknown size and strength, while the Eldar were still getting their shit together after the Fall. It was a Great Company, at that, which means that there were likely more than a hundred guys and their mead that brought the Craftworld down.

>> No.27028309

>>27028283
>Orks
>A dying species

>> No.27028313

>>27028276
Alaitoc are like the official whipping boys.

They're the subject of the Path books AND the Carnac campaign and constantly lose.

>> No.27028324

>>27028309
>subset of a species reflects the species as a whole.

>> No.27028332

>>27028167
>not putting a Slaanesh Champion in the Defiler

>> No.27028348

>>27028313
It's also a major Craftworld which is comparable to the rest major Crafts.

>> No.27028351

>>27028290
>The Space Wolves wiped out a Craftworld of unknown size and strength

But as you say Craftworlds have hundreds of billions.

>the Eldar were still getting their shit together after the Fall.

The Fall had come and gone by then.

>It was a Great Company, at that, which means that there were likely more than a hundred guys and their mead that brought the Craftworld down.

Yeah, the Night Lords Legion isn't just a hundred guys drinking batpiss either.

>> No.27028374

>>27028191
>She went out crawling away and got stepped on.
The Nightlord Warband were shitting themselves (despite being fearless space marines).

She literally killed them all, and only got hit by the suicide attempt.

She also gets better, unlike any of them.

>> No.27028381

>>27028186
>Illic been confirmed to be the most important Eldar in the galaxy
I don't like this one bit. It's a guy who was created to take beatings from Necrons, and now we can't get rid of him.

>> No.27028402

>>27028351
>But as you say Craftworlds have hundreds of billions.
That was just after the fall, so it was much smaller then. Their population grew to hundreds of billions
>The Fall had come and gone by then.
It was in living memory of almost all the Eldar around by then.

>> No.27028411

>>27027405

Power levels in 40k are stupid, it's full of contradictions.

We could mention how Maugan Ra defeated a tyranid swarm all alone, went into the eye of terror alone, found his old craftworld, and got them out of there safe.

Also another thing to consider about phoenix lord is the fact that it's not always the same person(correct me if I'm wrong) but the guy wearing the armor becomes phoenix lord, so their level of strength might very well vary, like for example the next Maugan Ra not being as strong etc.

>> No.27028416

>>27028374
She still failed her mission.

>> No.27028422

>>27028313
but they're still eldar, hell, ulthwe has been invaded and severely hurt before, and Iyanden are far bigger whipping boys, considering how many times they've been invaded

>> No.27028425

>>27027371

You're kidding right, Ahriman alone would shit all over them.

>> No.27028431

>Butt hurt Chaos fanbous argue with butthurt Eldar fanboys.

It's Delicious.

But I digress.

Just pile all the Necron Leaders together, could probably do it.

>> No.27028446

>>27028402
>That was just after the fall, so it was much smaller then. Their population grew to hundreds of billions

But the population didn't grow, the Eldar are dying out, and craftworlds are ghost towns.

>> No.27028455

>>27028411
Nope. PLs are always the same person, the original is always in charge unlike exarches.

>> No.27028478

>>27026752
Well, Typhus appears to have done 1/5 of the job already, from the way he's stabbed Failbaddon in the back.

>> No.27028483

>>27028080

Only one defensive aspect? Not at all. Banshees, Dire Avengers and Scorpions are as good at counterassault as they are regular assault. Reapers pretty much embody "good luck getting to me, I'm behind 100 skeletons".

>> No.27028484

>>27028446
Why would they expand it? hundreds of billions wouldn't even fit in the original craftworld vessels.

>> No.27028485

>>27028374
Chaos Marines aren't fearless. She failed in her mission and brought the storm down upon Ulthwe that the Eldar were so desperately trying to avoid.

It could also be thousands of years before any could find her armour, if there was even enough left after the Dreadnought got through with her.

>> No.27028486

>>27027985

Soul has nothing to do with it, it's the armor.

>> No.27028487

>>27028478
It's how he says hi.

>> No.27028489

>>27028351
>But as you say Craftworlds have hundreds of billions
Some other guy said that. The average number varies depending on the source.
>The Fall had come and gone by then.
They were still getting their shit together. They didn't even start stocking up on souls until M32 or something.
>Yeah, the Night Lords Legion isn't just a hundred guys drinking batpiss either.
Doesn't have anything to do with this. A Great Company is as big as the guys in charge want it to be. The Space Wolves apparently kept their Chapter organized the same way as their Legion, so their Legion would have been divided up into 13 Great Companies. One of those would likely be a few thousand strong. And they invaded one Craftworld that was either amazingly powerful or just big enough to notice. I'm just saying that we don't know if it's even a big accomplishment on the part of the Wolves.

>> No.27028497

>>27026752

Who needs Space Marines when there's the Court of The Mother Fucking Phoenix. Fuck yo primarchs son.

>> No.27028505

>>27028425
>Impling Draigo wouldn't effortlessly destroy Ahriman.

>> No.27028507

Guys.

We need to perfectly Balance each one of them out.

>Abaddon.
Calgar.
>Typhus
Beliel
>Kharn
Ragnar Blackmane
>Ahriman
Mepheston

>> No.27028513

>>27026752
Either the loyal primarch's returning (most have legends about them returning in the 'darkest hour' or whatever)

All the Necron leaders in one place

some badass Eldar taskforce of an entire craftworld

a substantial amount of Imperial forces

ETC

>> No.27028516

>>27028431
I don't think Necron Lords are superb fighters. Never struck as superior warriors.

>> No.27028517

>>27028402
the eldar population has shrunk since the fall. they're tradeships turned homes/warships may have grown to fit their new purpose, but their numbers have been recorded as being in decline since the fall, along with their technology. and the space wolf attack was atleast 100 years after the fall

>> No.27028518

>>27027642
As soon as they do that, you get the smugness of having invented the solution, and it all will have been for naught.

Unless you die before they do it. So lose/lose for you.

>> No.27028522

>>27028505
>implyong Draigo isn't Ahriman and the Laughing God and Khorne.

>> No.27028523

>>27028507
What about Lucius?

>> No.27028526

>>27027504
Thanks to Ward's amazingly terrible writing ability, she can!

>> No.27028528

>>27028455

Well how come Jain Zar is back then, or was that thing with the night lords not canon.

>> No.27028534

>>27028507
What about Lucius?

>> No.27028541

>>27028507
>Ahriman
>Mepheston
Are these two on the same level? I don't know about Ahriman's stats, but can he match Mephiston?

>> No.27028544

>>27028484
>Why would they expand it?

Because they could? The Eldar are not above vanity.

>hundreds of billions wouldn't even fit in the original craftworld vessels

Why not? Especially if everyone is piling on like rats fleeing the sinking ship of the old eldar empire.

>> No.27028550

>>27028517
>100 years
In 40k terms, that's basically nothing. One service stud on a Space Marine.

>> No.27028552

>>27028069

Eh, I wouldn't say that Night Lord defeated her. He committed grenade suicide to take her down with him. Except only one got back up...

>> No.27028555

>>27028528
The armor is the Phoenix Lord. As long as enough of it can be salvaged, she'll be back.

>> No.27028556

>>27028486
The armour contains their souls, give that to Slaanesh.

>> No.27028569

>>27028425
Honestly, I'm not sure he'd make it past Tigerius. That guy is pure cheese.

>> No.27028571

>>27027644
Draigo would fight on Lucius' side since they both follow the same god now.

>> No.27028574

>>27028505

Unless you're implying Draigo is primarch level, then no he would get his shit warped.

>> No.27028578

>>27026752
The middle one seems easy enough.
Armless loser.

>> No.27028582

>>27028483
banshees rely on hit and run, same as scorpions, they can't hold ground. they can ambush, but a protracted fight is bad for them. dire avengers are neither offensive or defensive, they're flexible. dark reapers are the defensive aspect, sitting in well defended positions raining death from a distance.

>> No.27028588

>>27028489
The Wolves destroyed a Craftworld. The Night Lords could easily do the same, especially when the Eldar have dwindled so much in numbers.

>> No.27028591

>>27028571
Slaanesh would just have them kiss and make up.

>> No.27028593

>>27028544
>Because they could? The Eldar are not above vanity.
Because they could is really weak reasoning.

Population boom is the only thing that makes sense considering Eldar like mobility and value that yet had to cripple the craftworld mobility for something.

>> No.27028603

>>27028528
>Well how come Jain Zar is back then

Is she though? When was the last date she appeared in canon?

>> No.27028612

>>27028588
>The Wolves destroyed a Craftworld
Yes, they did. We know that.

>> No.27028616

>>27028556
They're too damn Khorne to give to Slaanesh.

>> No.27028622

For all the craftworld siegers itt.

>> No.27028623

>>27028550
but in 30k terms, it's the difference between thunder warriors and mark II/IIIspace marines.
eldar right after the fall would have been quite dedicated to finding a way to fight and survive

>> No.27028629

>>27028574
Draigo has defeated Mortarion, a daemon primarch, so I'd say he was at primarch level. He has also defeated Lords of Change, sorcerors at least as powerful as Ahriman.

>> No.27028638

>>27028603

The Phoenix Lords always come back. Always until Rhana Danra. It's their whole gimmick. It's mentioned her armour was retrieved from the battle.

>> No.27028641

>>27028541

Are we talking about tabletop? If yes then It's debatable, they're both very expensive and with good reason.

If we're talking about Lore then Ahriman.

>> No.27028653

>>27028593
what about defense? mobilization room for armies? space for fleets? creating new systems to replace damaged ones that they can't repair? all things the eldar would have to do after the fall

>> No.27028654

>>27028569

The guy is close to becoming a chaos god (if he reaches the black library that is), I'm pretty sure he's above Tigurius.

>> No.27028657

>>27028593
>Because they could is really weak reasoning.

But it's actual reason that fits with the Eldar. They are a proud and haughty people who love art and spend their lives indulging themselves.

They are also dying.

>> No.27028658

>>27028603
> Hurr durr phoenix lord died forever in BL book
Fuck this.

>> No.27028673

>>27028622
>Biel-Tan getting shit done

Based Biel-Tan. Is this from the Iyanden codex? Ward has given my faction Battle Focus AND achievements? Mr Ward, I dunno what to say...

>> No.27028674

>>27028638
Doesn't mean that she'll be back any time soon.

>> No.27028678

>>27028629

>Draigo has defeated Mortarion

He did?

>> No.27028684

>>27028678
Yup.

>> No.27028689

>>27028622
they were battling on a planet, not the craftworld, this does make a difference. and biel-tan is one of the strongest craftworlds, with the greatest devotion to the aspects

>> No.27028694

>>27028674
You don't choose the Phoenix Armour. The Phoenix Armour chooses you.

>> No.27028697

>>27028674
Well yeah it does. They just need an exarch handy. If there was an exarch right next to her when she died she would've been back in the game right there.

>> No.27028703

>>27028622
Can you post the part about how Yriel trolls everybody with his kill streak?

>> No.27028711

>>27028658
Not forever, but possibly for a long time.

>> No.27028713

>>27028684

You gotta point me to it, cause I wanna read this.

Let's just say I'm reserving judgment.

>> No.27028719

>>27028703

That is seriously my favourite piece of fluff in 40k. Motherfucking Yriel. The only good thing to come from Iyanden.

>> No.27028720

>>27028673
Yep, that's Iyanden.

>> No.27028743

>>27028697
>>27028694
You have to be fated, not just anyone will do. And she cannot into playing fate well as she couldn't stop the Prophet.

>> No.27028744

>>27028703
I don't remember this, lol.
What exactly he do?

>> No.27028753

>>27028713
Grey Knights Codex.

He kills all of his body guard, slams him down, and then instead of finishing him off, holds him still while he incises Mortarions armour and chest open, gets out his Nemesis Force Chisel and carves some dudes name (literally) on Mortarions heart, then leaves him for dead.

>> No.27028761

>>27028678
just before he fell to slaanesh

>> No.27028762

>>27027371

This nigga would shit all over them.

>> No.27028765

>>27028713
Grey Knight codex. Battle of Korovin I think.

>> No.27028770

>>27028678
Mortarion killed Draigo's boss, Supreme Grand Master Geronitan. Draigo did not take this well. He stormed towards Mortarion, broke through the Daemon Primarch's personal bodyguard, and then carved the name of the Grey Knight into Mortarion's heart.

>> No.27028773

>>27028720
is there a full version of this?

>> No.27028781

>>27028753

Wow, that's some serious lore rape.

>> No.27028788

>>27028762
>Implying Draigo wouldn't rape him

>> No.27028805

>>27028773
Iyanden you mean?
Here it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/dz2412abvbbvyc3/Eldar_Iyanden_-_6_Edicion_-_Completo.pdf

>> No.27028834

>>27028788

The guy was sad at the fact he could easily kill a primarch and the commander of the adeptus custodes, nigga wasn't even the strongest psyker amongst the thousand sons.

When Draigo will be able to block titan shells, then we'll talk

>> No.27028867

>>27028744
It's in the Eldar codex's timeline section. It's about how the Imperials are clawing their eyes out over how much of a pain in the neck Yriel is. They estimate that Yriel's Eldritch Raiders have wiped out as many as a thousand ships. Yriel trolls them by broadcasting a listing of all the names of ships captured or destroyed by his fleet. When it's done, over eleven thousand ship names had been recounted.

>> No.27028868

>>27028834
Draigo defeated Daemon Mortarion. A little mutant faggot is no match.

>> No.27028874

>>27028762

>The Russ slew his way though the Sons with ease, even managing to survive (and reflect) a concentrated warp-fire attack from Captain Auramagma. Realising that someone had to take the Russ down and that the person with the best chance of doing this was himself, T'Kar drew heavily on his telekinetic powers and blasted through the ranks of the Wolves like a rending, smashing missile, ripping apart or crushing all in his way, their own strikes unable to reach him through his shields. Engorged with power, he easily slew his way to the retinue of the Wolf King, where happenstance placed Valdor in his path. Rearing above the Custode, T'Kar knew he could kill him easily and was indeed about to do so, when the way Valdor reacted to him and his noticing that he was looking down on the Emperor's own bodyguard gave him pause.

How come I never heard of this guy-

>> No.27028876

>>27028744

If I'm thinking of the same piece of fluff as the anon, Yriel trolls the Imperium silly. They ask that he answer for his crimes as an Eldar Corsair to which Yriel replies with a recorded message of him smugly reading out an impossibly long list of Imperial vessels his Raider's have destroyed.

Fucking Yriel.

>>27028805

MAH NIGGUH.

>> No.27028878

>>27028834
> he could easily kill a primarch
B-but Russ had a spellshield or smth like this.
The guy who tried to psyke him down get raped by his own spell.

>> No.27028885

>>27028868

Are you implying Draigo would beat Valdor?

Nigga you serious.

>> No.27028916

>>27028885
Yeah, easily. Valdor isn't even a tenth of the warrior as Draigo.

>> No.27028926

>>27028805
I meant the picture, lol

>> No.27028928

>>27028874
Dies like a bitch.

>> No.27028934

>>27028781
>The greatest hero of a Space Marine chapter dedicated to killing demons is really good at beating demons

I've never seen the problem with Draigo beating Mortarion. It's just one loss for god's sake. It doesn't necessarily mean Draigo is stronger, but on this occasion he was able to pull an upset. Mortarion had just got finished with murdering his predecessor after all.

>> No.27028949

>>27028874
I think it's a reference to in Rogue Trader, where Yriels pirate fleet controlled worlds basically about the size equivalent to modern Ultramar sector or something

>> No.27028972

>>27028928

It's clearly stated he lets himself be killed.

Someone dying is no reason for being unknown, look at emps.

>> No.27028983

>>27028934
It's lore rape because Mortarion never leaves his planet. Except this time of course.

>> No.27028995

> yfw mon-keigh kunnin planz

>> No.27029004

>>27028972
>It's clearly stated he lets himself be killed.

Yeah, like a bitch.

>Someone dying is no reason for being unknown, look at emps.

Emps didn't die, also he wasn't Graham McNeil's special OC.

>> No.27029016

>>27028983
He do. In CSM codex he invanded some planet.

>> No.27029021

>>27028995
>>27028876


So what, Yriel is the eldar draigo now?
Whatever happened to him slowly being killed by his spear.

>> No.27029032

>>27028934
There's a difference between beating the guy in a fight, and curbstomping him so much you have time to open up his chest, and carve a name on his still-beating heart while the guy is still alive.

>> No.27029057

No, because GW is being retarded about the Imperium fuckstomping Abaddon and dont know how to make a good story of it.

>> No.27029058

>>27029021
That was a reference to something way older.

>> No.27029068

>>27029021
Main thing is that he's no Draigo.
He is talanted but arrogant and prideful motherfucker who created so many problems for his people and finaly repented only when Iyanden was on the breach of extinction.
TL;DR: CHARACTER PROGRESS OMFG SO DEEP
Srsly, one of the few characters Ward written good.

>> No.27029096

>>27029068
He's one of the only characters Ward has gotten to write about with anything more than a maybe a page and a half.

>> No.27029104

Mephiston assrapes half of them.

>> No.27029119

So is Eldrad actually ded or is GW still pretending it never happened?

>> No.27029122

>>27028867
Just checked. The Imperium thought he'd captured or destroyed a thousand ships of class IX or higher (I don't know if IX is a big deal, but BFG fans might know). He then reported over eleven thousand ship name. Apparently he'd been picking fights with Hruds and Kroots, as some names were in those races' respective language.

>> No.27029133

>>27029119
He's alive.

>> No.27029161

>>27027725
>>27027725
Yeah, back before dookie kids with their self esteem horseshit fucked the game. Back when it was enjoyable and their were still things that were considered and epic undertaking.

>> No.27029162

>>27029058
> dat statline
As strong and tough as a muhreen. I'll be damned.

>> No.27029177

>>27029119
It depends on what you want to believe, 40k has no hard canon.

>> No.27029183

>>27029162
Back then Marine heroes were packing S and T 5 though.

>> No.27029190

>>27027257
Abaddon-Calgar
Ahriman-Mephiston
Typhus-Belial
Kharn-Ragnar
Lucius-Shrike

>> No.27029195

>>27029162
Fucking Ini 9!

>> No.27029196

>>27027827
>>27027827
Are you one of those faggots who think a couple million Eldar total is an appropriate numbers?

>> No.27029197

>>27029183
Nope. They were S4 T4, WS/BS6. S5/T5 Marine heroes were a later (2nd edition) addition.

Normal Marines were T3.

>> No.27029211

>>27029196
Yeah, Marines get along with low numbers fine, so why not Eldar?

>> No.27029220

>>27029197
Normal marines were T4 by this point.

>> No.27029225

>>27029211
Cause marines are not a race nor a faction.

>> No.27029246

>>27029225
Yeah they are. There are only about a million Marines fighting for the Imperium, yet they manage to change the face of the galaxy.

>> No.27029251

>>27029197

>> No.27029255

>>27029220
Nah, they got T4 later when the Craftworlds were introduced. Yriel is pre-craftworld army list.

Craftworlds (in the WD127 list) were the turning point from Rogue Trader to the 40k we know today. It literally is the most important publication after the first rulebook ever.

>> No.27029268

>>27029251
That was introduced later with the Craftworld lists in the Compilation.

Yriel was earlier than that, during the Eldar pirate era.

>> No.27029270

>>27029246

They do?

I'm pretty sure it's the guard doing all the work.

>> No.27029279

>>27029246
>fighting for the imperium

So they are a sub-faction, not an actual faction.

>> No.27029294

>>27029270
Nah, both do some of the work, but it's been said that without the Marines the Imperium would have crumbled long ago.

>> No.27029299

>>27029211

The difference is Marines are easily replaceable? What's that Blood Angels? Ya lost your entire chapter in a Space Hulk? Fuck, it we'll stick thousands of doodsmen into Black Carapace thereapy straightaway. You'll be up and running within the next decade.

Eldar lives are more valuable. It takes forever to birth one of them, and then it take forever for him to mature, then you need to train the fucker.

>> No.27029300

>>27026964
Shut the fuck up.

>> No.27029303

>>27029268
>>27029251
This is in the same book as that Yriel picture.

>> No.27029324

>>27029279
In the same way that the CE are a sub faction, sure.

>>27029299
Marines aren't easy to replace, you may as well say that the Eldar should just have more babbies.

>> No.27029328

>>27029299

Fuck, ignore that first question mark. Typo/

>> No.27029333

>>27026752
>Are there heroes left in the Imperium who can stand before the combined might of the Lords of the Black Crusade?
There is but one.

Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!

>> No.27029343

>>27029324
> In the same way that the CE are a sub faction, sure.
Subfaction to what? Faction must fight for the one purpose.

>> No.27029348

>>27029324
>Marines aren't easy to replace

Compared to the eldar they are. In the time it takes for a human child to reach maturity, that's the time it takes to brainwash and modify them into supermen.

That's not a hypothetical I made up about the Blood Angels losing their entire chapter to a Space Hulk by the way. It actually happened.

>> No.27029355

>>27029333
You mean "Ciaphas Cain, Ibram Gaunt wannabe!"
Gaunt would fucking bludgeon Cain in a straight-up fight.

>> No.27029358

>>27029333

Isn't that an eldar chainsword.

>> No.27029367

>>27029358
No.

>> No.27029371

>>27029343
>Subfaction to what?

Eldar.

>Faction must fight for the one purpose.

They fight for the preservation of the Eldar.

There is greater internal strife within the Imperium than there is between the Eldar sub factions too going by the allies chart.

>>27029348
No, the Blood Angels lost 950 guys, the chapter was not destroyed. It can take hundreds of years to get a marine chapter back to full strength and requires an almost forgotten art. Eldar meanwhile just need to fuck.

>> No.27029376

>>27029348
It wasn't their entire chapter, idort.
It was a few companies, at best. They lost a majority, not the entire fucking chapter.

>> No.27029386

>>27029371
>They fight for the preservation of the Eldar.
>Laughingdarkeldarwhores.jpg

>> No.27029399

>>27029376
>idort

>> No.27029405

>>27029371
Anon knows it.

Eldar breed like fucking pandas, and then complain about how shitty their lives are because if one of them even so much as touches theirclit/dick, Slaanesh will jump out of their asshole and yell SURPRISE FUCK!

>> No.27029407

>>27029386
Dark Eldar do do it though, even if it's mostly just to preserve themselves, they are Eldar.

>> No.27029409

>>27029371
>They fight for the preservation of the Eldar.

Are you just copy pasting the Lexicanum now? Eldar craftworlds typically fight for themselves, and jesus christ you better believe the Dark Eldar don't give a fuck

>> No.27029413

>>27029355
Well, power weapon helps against a chainsword
Cain IS damn good with his chosen weapons though.

>> No.27029426

>>27029409
They /do/ steal, pillage and plunder fucks, though...

>> No.27029435

>>27029409
They fight for themselves most of the time, but they're all Eldar and thus fight for the preservation of the Eldar race. They even work together.

>> No.27029447

>>27029435
The eldar will work with humans and tau on occasion. And you can bet that neither side has the same goal in mind

>> No.27029451

>>27029413
So is Gaunt...then there's also the fact that after Gereon, he doesn't flinch at FUCKING ANYTHING.

He fights his mechanicus practice dummies WITH SAFETY MODE OFF!

>> No.27029463

>>27029376

>> No.27029467

>>27029435
There been confirmed cases of Craftworlds fighting each other over resources.

There even have been cases where a Craftworld destroyed another.

>> No.27029473

>>27029376
>They lost a majority, not the entire fucking chapter.
They lost something like 950 marines in a single assault. Serious. The same fluff was reprinted in the new space hulk.

I'll see if I can find my box and get a shot of it.

>> No.27029484

>>27028446
>>27028446
>>27027989
>>27027989

I hate these fucking people.

Look. Lifetime of centuries? That means that if they are even 1/10th as fertile as humans, their eternal youth means they can still have plenty ofbkids.

Ten a century from a dedicated couple? Not bad. Considering that the mother and father will still be around centuries later.

Eldar growth could very well be glacial in pace, but it is also glacial in durability.

Humans have on average 30 years of prime fertility for women, and they begin degrading in physical capacity at the later stage. So female humans have to choose between children or career. Many simply choose one or two kids.

But longer lived races, from Vulcans to Krogan, do not have this choice forced on them. They can have a dozen kids and still have time to enjoy life without being decaying nearcorpses.

And for the Eldar, if they have 12 kids over 200 years, thats still a net gain even though it took forever. Meanwhile a human could pop those out in a mere 16 years or less.

But if an Eldar family loses half of there children to war....thats decades and decades of lost investment in just making them, much less raising them. Without extreme technology, and having a decent sized percentage of their populace engaged in War, they will constantly be on a longterm losing streak in numbers. The Eldar are breaking under constant, severe pressure without the tools to deal with it. Eventually, the rate of losses will trigger a death spiral and they wont be able to maintain what they have and will constantly be in retreat.

The Eldar can only lose ten soldiers to the Imperiums 500. But they are losing 30.

So even with a population in the hundreds of billions, they can still be screwed.

Imagine if Europe couldnt take in immigrant and wouldnt increase native birth rate. Ultimately they would simply die out, even though it would take a few centuries. Same thing with the Eldar. Except played out with a race capable of touching a millenia.

>> No.27029487

>>27029463
Its still not the entire chapter.
Fifty survivors, Anon, don't generalise next time.

>> No.27029495

>>27027516
It does destroy all the fluff for intergalactic travel though. Which like gas prices, destroys the imperiums economy.

>> No.27029496

>>27029348

I cannot believe people do not get this through their thick fucking skulls yet.

When the Blood Angels threw 1,000 marines at the Sin of Damnation in Space Hulk, THERE WAS NO CANON ABOUT HOW LARGE THE FUCKING CHAPTERS WERE. For fuck's sake, ZOATS WERE STILL A THING

>> No.27029501

>>27029463
>the blood angels are down to 50 men

Jesus fucking christ...

Well that's assuming that they kept a strict 1000 men chapter.

>> No.27029529

>>27029487
stop being retarded

>> No.27029536

>>27029496
This.

>> No.27029546

So here is what I think. I think the fight between Draigo and Mortarion was an act of the big four to corrupt Draigo with a war-like act that was self indulgent that changed a greater plague body so they could later pull his ass into the warp. The reason behind it is now that he has been tainted by all four chaos gods and sees first hand how hopeless it is to keep fighting them. He will lead the 14th Black Crusade when Failbadon fails the 13th time. Ehhh what do you all think?

>> No.27029554

>>27029529
I forgot its that time of the month for you...

>> No.27029569

>>27029496
Space Hulk was released two years after Rogue Trader, Chapters were established fluff already then.

>> No.27029575

>>27028131
Who are all these handsome servants of the Emperor?

>> No.27029594

>>27026752

>4 Champions of different Chaos Gods standing together
>Not beating the shit out of each other.

>> No.27029595

Hey, hey guys.

What about those Eldar that were all "Its Happening!" "Its gonna happen!" "I warned you" and bailed before the fall?

What about the Roniel Polistan Eldar?

What about the Exodites?

someone make a Exodite DoomPaul.

>> No.27029612

>>27029594
The Warmaster unites them and if they know what's good for them, they will behave.

>> No.27029622

>>27027516
>>27027516
Chaos can use the Warp too. And have previously held entire sectors. That, or they popup above Cadia, and immediately bail right back into the Warp.

>> No.27029661

>>27029358
nope, just a master crafted chainsword

>> No.27029670

>>27029612

>Lucius looks over at Kharn and constantly pushes his tongue against the inside of his cheek to make it bulge out.

>> No.27029681

>>27028867
>>27028867
Eldar live for a longfucking time. Thats a lot of practice.

>> No.27029684

>>27029496
Stop talking about things you aren't familiar with.

>> No.27029705

>>27029684

>M41
>the Emperor giving orders

top lel

>> No.27029746

>>27029705
Possibility one: He issued it via tarot.
Possibility two: The High Lords of Terra use his name fairly liberally in signing reports.

>> No.27029787

>>27029705
>taking that literally
The emperor was still on his throne at the time.

>> No.27029820

>>27029211
>>27029211
...you just dont get it. You really fucking dont do you?

>> No.27029822

>>27026752
Doesn't matter, Failbaddon will fuck himself over eventually

>> No.27029844

>>27029376
>>27029371
>The entire chapter wasn't destroyed

I know they weren't permanently destroyed you guys, Christ. I rounded up from 950-1000. Big difference. Point is Blood Angels are doing so much hardcore fighting they're often wiped out to a few companies. But as humanity is pumping out trillions of babbies there is no shortage of black carapace candidates.

>Eldar just need to fuck

Uh, yes. For a long ass fucking time. The gestation period alone takes a century of repeated insemination. Then they need to reach adulthood and then they need training.

And no it doesn't take centuries for marines to be created. All that's required for an initiate to be pumped out is brainwashing from childhood, the child to survive carapace installment in their teens and by the time they're grown men they're 8 feet of kick ass. To get them battle hardened might take a few decades, but even then, nothing on what the Eldar have to deal with. Eldar aren't a dying race just because they aren't fucking enough.

>> No.27029862

>>27029324
>>27029324
Do the Marines also manufacture and maintain 100% of their own weaponry and absolutely any infrstructure they need? Entirely rew their own ships?

Whats that? Chapter Serfs are a thing? Servitors?

Admech?

Oh holyfucking. It takes less than abminute to absolutely destroy your comparison. Fuckoff and die.

>> No.27029875

>>27029844
The Eldar aren't dying.

The Exodites and Dark Eldar are thriving.

>> No.27029929

>>27029501
>>27029501
And then their is what Abaddon did.

>> No.27029998

>>27029875

Seeing as Exodites are left out of Codex:Eldar when I say Eldar I mean Craftworlders. Dark Eldar are a different faction entirely.

>> No.27030047

>>27029844
A full damned century?

Oh. Well fuck. Then my earlier statement of 1/10th is way off.

But this only illustrates my point more. As even with hundreds of billions, losing even a million total a year is devastating.

Yeah millions is even more superretarded.
>>27029875
>>27029875
Exodites especially are noted as thriving. CountryElves Can Survive.

>> No.27030207

>>27030047

Craftworld birth rates suck balls. Presumably that's why craftworlds like Biel-Tan are doing all they can to rescue and reclaim Maiden worlds so the thankful country elves can repay them with a supply of trainee aspect warriors.

Just speculation, but it'd make sense.

>> No.27030289

>>27030207

Those Eldar babes just need some tender mon-keigh loving. No more of this "sex once a year for seven years to get pregnant" bullshit. I'd fuck her all knight long, every night

>> No.27030290

>>27029670

Thank you.

>> No.27030333

>>27029575
Why, the Chaos Stompin' Commissar Rangers! Left to right, Commissars Holt, Fucklaw, Cain, Gaunt, and Yarrick.

>> No.27030366

>>27026752
The closest analog would be, in my opinion:
Draigo v Fabbadoo
Mephiston v Ahriman
Lysander v Typhus
Asrael v Lucius
Ragnar v Kharn

There, I used all the codices.

>> No.27030480

>>27030289

But that IS what they do. It takes multiple dickings over a long ass time to get an Eldar gal preggers. Eldar babes cannot into pregnancy.

>> No.27030601

>>27028582
>Scorpions can't hold ground

Infiltrating, clinging to cover and giving any fucker dumb enough to charge them a mandiblaster bukkake is what they do best. Banshees ALWAYS hit first regardless of who's charging. Dire Avengers literally have a skill called counter attack. Gaining and holding ground is their job.

>> No.27030690

>>27030601
>>27030601
Also,

>but a protracted fight is bad

You could not know any less about the entire point of scorpions. They fight with heavy armour and a fuck tonne of attacks because they're job is endure hordes.

Banshees are the ones that wan't to end the fight in one swift assault/counter-assault.

>> No.27030701

>>27030690
*want*

>> No.27031001

>>27027978
>recently
Forty years before is not recent.

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