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>> No.26913137

>> No.26913150

>>26913126
>>26913137
#women

>> No.26913165

>>26913137
BOOM

HEADSHOTTE

>> No.26913170

>> No.26913177

>>26913150
actually the vomiting one is a man

>> No.26913193

I can't tell what this thread is so have this masterpiece.

>> No.26913203

>>26913177
It's hard to tell. I am not used to the stylization of this era, I suppose.

Upon further consideration, I've decided to motion to mend my previous lapses in judgment by retracting my initial reply, and instead substituting: "Murder AND vomiting? I enjoy both of these things. You thread has my attention, OP, and I will be monitoring it for justice."

All in favor of this amendment? Aye.

>> No.26913209

>> No.26913217

>>26913203
Your*

I made a typo.

>> No.26913229

>>26913203
Opposed, leave Anon's previous notion stay on the record.

>> No.26913233

>>26913126
Babysmithing is a lost art.

>> No.26913238

>>26913229
>makin' babies all day long

>> No.26913239

>>26913209
This is what a successful Feel No Pain roll looks like

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>> No.26913248

>> No.26913249

>>26913193
it's about funny authentic paintings.. or at least I hope so. If not then I just hijacked it to be that

>> No.26913252

>>26913229
For what cause have you to oppose, brethren?

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>> No.26913310

>> No.26913313 [SPOILER] 

>>26913248

Captcha: qualoti your

Why, thank you, Captcha.

>> No.26913368

>>26913249
>bear fellating a dragon dildo.jpg

>> No.26913524

>> No.26913543

>>26913126
Why would anyone try to make babies at a blacksmith's forge?

>> No.26913558

>>26913543
>Why would anyone try to make babies at a blacksmith's forge?

Oh, I don't know.

>> No.26913574

>>26913543
How do you think Warforged are made? Duh.

First you get a large nugget or ingot of fresh Baby, and hammer it into a nice circle to make the core.

>> No.26913581

>>26913126
One google image search later:
>British Library, Harley 4425, f. 140, “Nature forging a baby.” Guillaume de Lorris and Jean de Meun, Roman de la Rose. Bruges, c.1490-c.1500.
>
>We find out all about Nature’s baby forge in the lines leading up to her confession, about two-thirds of the way through the Roman. It comes in the context of a discourse on death and the role of nature in preserving species from extinction. There is a whole neoplatonic discussion about the repeated resurrection of a phoenix. The fiery bird represents the “ideal common form that Nature reshapes into individuals” as Death comes along and greedily devours phoenix after phoenix. The phoenix then serves as an allegory for life in general: “All things under the circle of the moon have this very same mode of being, so that if one of them can remain, its species so lives in it that Death can never catch up with it”
>
>Next, we enter the forge itself, where the allegory of Death, Corruption, Nature, and generation gives way to one of Art and Nature, and the craftsmanship analogy that underpins the Platonic doctrine of forms comes to the fore:
>

>> No.26913582

>>26913242
What is even happening here?

>> No.26913591

>>26913581
> But when Nature, sweet and compassionate, sees that envious Death and Corruption come together to put to destruction whatever they find within her forge, she continues always to hammer and forge and always to renew the individuals by means of new generation. When she can bring to other counsel to her work, she cuts copies in such letters that she gives them true forms in coins of different monies. From these, Art makes her models, but she does not make her forms as true. However, with very attentive care, she kneels before Nature like a truant beggar, poor in knowledge and force, and begs and requests and asks of her. She struggles to follow he so that Nature may wish to teach her how with her ability she may properly subsume all creatures in her figures. She also watches how Nature works, for she would like very much to perform such a work, and she imitates her like a monkey. But her sense is so bare and feeble that she cannot make living things, no matter how newborn they seem.
Well. Ok then. I do not understand art.

>> No.26913606

>>26913558
8/10, would respectfully ask out to a luncheon to discuss our possible similarities in interests.

>> No.26913628

>>26913582
I'm assuming some sort of dragon-rearing giant variant is enjoying a meal. Or, at the very least, a refreshing snack.

>> No.26913646

>>26913581
>>26913591

Thank you for posting this.
Interesting stuff.

>> No.26913650

>>26913582
It's an illustration from "Evart de Conty", "Le livre des échecs amoureux moralisés." (c. 1401) (The book of mythical failed loves)
It's Saturn eating his own children, carrying his symbolic scythe.

>> No.26913659

>>26913574
You're not going to make a very good one if you don't properly process refine the baby first. Well, unless it's a baby that feel from space, maybe.

>> No.26913682

>>26913650
I wouldn't ever imagine Saturn dressed like that or in a building that looked like that. You know, like a medieval French person.

>> No.26913683

>>26913524
I just found the character portrait for my next wookiee in edge of the empire.

>> No.26913715

>>26913682
>>26913650
>>26913582
Concept of history and culture is relatively new.

Here's the digitized book if you ever wanted to read a 600+ year old french book. (it's over 800 pages and filled with roman mythology)

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8426258c/f1.item

>> No.26913723

>>26913581
>>26913591
I want to murder all the artists.

>> No.26913747

>>26913723

What? Why?

>> No.26913758

>>26913747
It's a profession that hijacked the education system in order to brainwash people so that they can justify earning money for doing leaps of logic.
Interpretation is fun. It's not a job.

Just read the fucking quote.

>> No.26913769

>>26913758
Don't blame it on the artists, blame it on the art majors.

>> No.26913770

>>26913650
When I was in the Prado, "Saturn Devouring His Son" was my favourite work. It was tiny, like 8 cm by 16 cm, but it instantly grabs your attention.
I later realised that it was just a copy because the original was painted on the wall of Goya's house. I wonder how that looks in its full glory

>> No.26913797

>>26913770
I've always thought that painting was terrifying.

>> No.26913804

>>26913758
Fucking liberals in our colleges wasting TAX DOLLARS with the WASTE OF TIME IRRELEVANT ARTS

those PARASITES should learn to code or study something that benefits society

Like coding

>> No.26913816

>>26913797
yes, and fascinatingly so!

>> No.26913822

>>26913769

>> No.26913823

>>26913758

I'll grant you that the passage isn't as clear as it could be. In particular, the link between the forge and the neoplatonic notions alluded to isn't really made sufficiently clear.

These ancient images are full of symbolism begging to be unpacked though, and it ought to be done by those who have a knack for these sorts of things.

If you want to hate on someone, aim your sights at those who hold to modern art. It is there that you will find a plumbing of the meaningless.

>> No.26913949

>>26913822
>Can't even finish your project in time.
>Bitch about other people's work.

No danger of getting commissions if you can't even work to deadlines, so I doubt anyone will be calling him an artist anytime soon.

>> No.26913965

>>26913262
>"I love you bro."
>"I love you too bro."
>"You're the best horse, bro."
>"Nah bro, you're the best horse."
>"No homo."
>"No homo."

>> No.26913983

>>26913823
>These ancient images are full of symbolism begging to be unpacked
I would agree if I actually saw someone interpret the INTENTION of an image. Basically, reverse-engineering the iconography that would have been obvious to a person at the time.
Instead, you have all kinds of wacky interpretations based on even the smallest details that may as well have been the result of the artist drinking during a drawing session or something.

>> No.26914001

>>26913983

If you interpret art based on its intentions, then the Star Wars prequels are the best movies evar.

>> No.26914015

>> No.26914034

>>26913965
No hippos

>> No.26914049

>>26913983
But the quote that started this discussion about "Fuck Artists" was actually just that. It was a picture which had an intentional explanation from the start, not reverse engineered.

>> No.26914063

>>26913983

That wasn't an interpretation of the image, you twat. It's an ILLUSTRATION from a BOOK, and the passage is talking about the BOOK, with quotations from the book itself.

>> No.26914065

>>26914015
Greetings Hominid infant, join your flesh with mine and I will make your name the greatest in the galaxy.
Gaze upon my chest cavity membrane at those who have accepted my bargain before your coming.

>> No.26914081

>>26914001
I have no fucking clue what you are babbling about.

Recently I was told the rape scene in Blade Runner wasn't seen to have rape undertones at the time of the movie's creation.
THIS is the kind of thing that I'm talking about. Art intends to convey something for an observer during current times. Times change and future people have an entirely different view.
The interesting thing is to find out how people perceived the image during the time when it was made.
It's like the "how do we mark atomic waste sites?" discussion.

>> No.26914091

>>26914063
>Damit William!
>I told you not to shake the midgets before processing them
>you've been swinging them around by the ankles all day!
>It's going to take me weeks to fix them so I can put them back on display

>> No.26914111 [DELETED] 

>nope

>> No.26914113

>>26913770
Thin your paints

>> No.26914124

>> No.26914133

>>26914091
That buff midget is surprisingly chill about being swung around.

>> No.26914134

>>26914015

Awaken, my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the Overmind, the eternal will of the swarm, and that you have been created to serve me...

>> No.26914139

>>26913126
would it be wrong to insert the phrase "Stop! hammer time" on OP's image?

>> No.26914150

>>26914124
Uh, is this Salome?

>> No.26914154

>>26914081

The whole point of artistic criticism is that we can note--at the same time--how Harrison Ford pinning a woman against the wall is both sexy (in a certain fantasy sense, to both male and female viewers) and also kind of rapey (as it would be if someone did that in real life). Works of art don't mean just one thing. You aren't cracking the code to reveal the hidden message.

It's like pointing out how many romantic movies are basically about stalkers. It doesn't ruin the movies--they're fantasies. But it also acknowledges how many stalkers build up their expectations of real-world relationships around these fictional movie scenes.

>> No.26914163

>> No.26914164

>>26913823
>If you want to hate on someone, aim your sights at those who hold to modern art. It is there that you will find a plumbing of the meaningless.

But that's fucking retarded you autistic pleb.

Modern art is like modern science.

There is nothing that has meaning. There is nothing special, something true in this world.

Everything real in the world is vague shit that boggles human understanding, and all art is vague shit that boggles human understanding.

AS IT FUCKING SHOULD!

If art doesn't follow science, what CAN it follow?

FUCKING USELESS SHIT RELIGION AGAIN? FUCK OFF!

You're exactly the reason why faggot-shits like you have no chances of survival in the art world.

No fucking foresight.

Your artistic opinion is like that of a Flat-Earther. Or a Creationist. Pig-disgusting and autistically naive.

>> No.26914171

>>26914150

Looks like it.

>> No.26914185

>>26914133
he's like "Ehh, I had a good life"

>> No.26914200

>>26914164
And this is why the newest Batman trilogy consists of a bunch of cool unrelated scenes edited into something almost coherent.

>> No.26914203

>>26914164
>Modern art is like modern science.
>There is nothing that has meaning. There is nothing special, something true in this world.
Sounds like someone doesn't understand modern science.
But then what can one expect of a modern "artist". The people who took DuChamp literally and decided that shitting in a bowl in front of a crowd was performance "art".

>> No.26914208

>>26914134

I had a chuckle; thanks anon.

>> No.26914211

>>26913723
Hey, hold on there, ALL the artists? I'm with you on hating the ones who make a picture with an explanation like that, it either needs a much simpler explanation or a much better illustration. And I wouldn't miss the entire current fine art world at all, but there are cool artists out there. Those who make depictions of things which are pleasing to look at, and while additional knowledge can enhance one's enjoyment, is by no means necessary.

>> No.26914214

Did someone say "Medieval Japanese fart scrolls"?

>> No.26914218

>>26914203
>Sounds like someone doesn't understand modern science.

Sounds like your science book is running 50 years behind. American.

>> No.26914225

>>26914015
That boob job did not go well, she's totally got the lazy eye thing going.

>> No.26914230

>>26914214

>> No.26914234

>>26914211
Well, yeah.
I couldn't live without vidja, music, movies, etc.

>> No.26914236

>>26914225
I think it's a man with armpit tumours.
look, he's bald from the chemo

>> No.26914243

>>26914211
you mean like the people who make hentai?

>> No.26914246

>>26914230
>dat fart

>> No.26914247

>>26914203
What are you talking about?

Going against anthropic principles is the big jump in science today.

There's is no reason for anything in the universe.

It's all just a result of if we couldn't live in this universe, we wouldn't be here in this universe.

The universe is devoid of meaning or truth, and the laws of nature are devoid of meaning or truth.

Everything is just composed out of meaningless data that happens to be there.

Pleb.

>> No.26914251

>>26914218
Science isn't relativistic just because you don't understand the scientific concept of theory anon-who-just-read-Feyerabend.

>> No.26914262

>>26914246
honestly I'm curious as to what went through theses guys minds as they made this?
chicken curry and baked beans

>> No.26914264

>>26914218
>>>/pol/

>> No.26914273

>>26914247
>Going against anthropic principles is the big jump in science today.
>There's is no reason for anything in the universe.
Neither of these have anything at all to do with science. They're philosophical considerations that have no room in the science arena that deals with the natural world not sociological cuntery.
Pseudo-intellectuals goes to >>>/lit/

>> No.26914276

>>26914203
What Duchamp did in the first place is bad enough, but the people who then tried to do that stuff earnestly just took it to a whole new level of terrible.

>> No.26914288

>>26914273
>Neither of these have anything at all to do with science. They're philosophical considerations that have no room in the science arena that deals with the natural world not sociological cuntery.

>goes off to cry about philopsophy

>still believes there's a truth or meaning out there

and them you were the faggot philosopher-religious cunt.

>> No.26914291

>>26914247
And how does cosmic insignificance translate into justification for shitting on a canvas and calling it art?

>> No.26914312

>>26914251
>Science isn't relativistic just because you don't understand the scientific concept of theory anon-who-just-read-Feyerabend.

What the fuck are you wanking about fagboy?

I'm talking about the fact that all information is essentially meaningless in a universe dominated by dark matter and energy, where eventually all information is quantized.

Fuck you're retarded.

>> No.26914319

>>26914291
Because nothing has an inherent value. Duh. How dumb are you.

>> No.26914323

>>26914288
/lit/ the "philosophy of science" has nothing to do with actual scientists.
Now crawl back into your nihilist hole and stop trying to pretend you even understand the scientific method.

>> No.26914347

>>26914312
>essentially meaningless in a universe dominated by dark matter and energy, where eventually all information is quantized.
Anon jumbling words together and pretending you understand quantum theory doesn't make you a scientist.
Here's a spoiler for you: Science doesn't make those kind of statements. The Scientific fields are in fact uncaring about those kind of questions and do not deal with philosophical ideas of "meaning" to begin with.

>> No.26914348

>>26914243
Yeah, they're on my list of artists I'd prefer to exist. Well, some of them at least, there are plenty of really bad hentai artists too.

>>26914247
I'd say the message here isn't that there is no meaning, but rather that we need to evolve our concept of meaning. I'd say modern cosmology actually paints a far more beautiful picture than the old judgmental invisible sky giant view of things. And regardless, this means that conventional aesthetics are totally irrelevant why? No matter how meaningless existence is, candy still tastes sweet.

>> No.26914355

>>26914164
>>26914247
>>26914288
>>26914312
>>26914319

Bro, you're not making sense at all. You're trying to use "science facts" (albeit incorrectly) to support your philosophical stance of nihilism WHILE AT THE SAME TIME denying that philosophy has no place in a universe devoid of meaning (what the hell is "meaning").

>> No.26914371

>>26914164
>Modern art is like modern science.
>There is nothing that has meaning. There is nothing special, something true in this world.
>Everything real in the world is vague shit that boggles human understanding, and all art is vague shit that boggles human understanding.
>AS IT FUCKING SHOULD!
As a "modern scientist" you need to SERIOUSLY go fuck yourself.

Believe it or not, the universe is not that "vague." Sure, it's complicated as hell and there are answers we don't have yet, but this doesn't mean it's "vague" or "shit that boggles human understanding" it just means we haven't found the answer to the question yet. Which, by the way, is what scientific research is - trying to answer these questions, to find those truths, to make reality even a bit more explainable.

So yeah, fuck you.

>> No.26914377

>>26914163
Poor guy, he just wanted some monstergirl loving.

>> No.26914386

>>26914247

Not the guy you are arguing with, but I have a piece to speak. The purpose of science is to analyse and catalogue the universe that surrounds us as we perceive it with our current senses.
For example studying the circle of water has taught us where rain comes from, how pollution moves around the planet and why some places are dry where others are not. The more we study something the more reasons we find for it t happen. Each and every part of the world interlocks with each other and for me seeing the universal mechanics unfold is an art.

>> No.26914405

>>26914312
I remember a thread not too long ago about whether seeing Cthulhu and pals would really drive someone mad. I was pretty skeptical but upon reading this guy's posts, I think I finally understand why at least some people would. A little cosmic uncertainty and he's already going full nihilist.

>> No.26914409

>>26914386
But don't you see what that anon is saying?
Water has to have a meaning to fall down from the sky. It can't just be a natural reaction to other phenomena. It's probably depressed or something!

>> No.26914435

>>26914409
Naw, sadness? Gravity? Too much meaning. Since science at this arbitrary point in time hasn't already answered everything ever, clearly there is nothing out there to understand at all, it's pure chaos forever. Now learn to enjoy urinals as art.

>> No.26914486

>>26914247
So, in other words, you are telling me that modern art is made by highschool nihilists and people who didn't grow out of that mindset?

>> No.26914503

>>26913770

That paint has always given me the chills.

>> No.26914553

>>26914405
>he's already going full nihilist
But there's nothing wrong about nihilism.
The issue is the edgy teenage mindset of taking nihilism as reason to be a retard.
I was a nihilist as a child and I'm now an agnostic with a leaning towards believing that there's some kind of power affecting my life. It might be confirmation bias, but I can keep my mind more stable if I don't take that perspective into consideration.

Anyway, my mindset as a nihilist was a lot more healthy than it is now. I basically did my best and worked towards being remembered as much as possible - If there's no meaning, I can at least try to one-up other people in terms of influence.

>> No.26914566

>>26914323
>>26914355
>>26914405
>>26914486

>nihilist

There's nothing nihilistic about a world devoid of meaning and purpose. Nihilism is conserned with morals and God. Not meaning and purpose.

>>26914348
I like your style. I personally like to say that the ultimate FREEEEDOOOOMMM lies in a total disregard for meaning. It isn't surprising that out of all artists, American artists can embrace the abstract best.

They're not slogged down by hundreds of years of art history.

>>26914386
Couldn't agree more.

>> No.26914598

>>26914566
Let's see how many people will now continue to take the bait.

>> No.26914613

>>26914598
It's not bait.

It's fucking logic.

If Nietzsche could see what kind of bullshit people today would call "nihilistic" he'd go fucking insane.

>> No.26914688

>>26913313

>this kills the man

>> No.26914696

>>26913581

Okay, I honestly thought that that painting was much darker than that.

>> No.26914706

>>26914566
No, you don't like my style, I dislike abstract art and think the old European art was where it's at, and it's all been downhill since the Baroque period. I think we're on the same page about modern science and FREEEEDOM from old constricting religious world views, but I totally associate the beauty of that freedom with the beauty of classic aesthetics. I say no to old books telling me what to do and yes to idealized representationalism.

>> No.26914716

>>26914566
>There's nothing nihilistic about a world devoid of meaning and purpose. Nihilism is conserned with morals and God. Not meaning and purpose.

Meaning of words change over time whether we like it or not; in this case we're talking about teenage nihilism instead of Nietzsche's.

Regardless the modern art / modern science guy is still a huge fuckwad. Science, art, and philosophy don't mix that way (unless you're talking about "popular science" or mathematical abstractions, i.e. multiple worlds theory shit).

>> No.26914806

>>26914716
>Regardless the modern art / modern science guy is still a huge fuckwad. Science, art, and philosophy don't mix that way (unless you're talking about "popular science" or mathematical abstractions, i.e. multiple worlds theory shit).

Obviously they don't mix if you can't read English/keep putting words in peoples mouths.

>> No.26914822

>>26914706
To be honest, old European art was just paid advertisement and portraits. Nothing fancy or deep.

>> No.26914875

>>26914822
Yeah, but it was real nice to look at, which is what I value most in visual art. Deep meaning and the like just sweetens the deal.

>> No.26914900

>>26914875
Yeah, art has to have some kind of impact.
It's why I collected images such as pic related. It's just incredibly cute and gives me a fuzzy feeling.

>> No.26914935

Stay on topic. This is supposed to be about medieval fart

>> No.26914977

>>26914935

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>> No.26914999

>>26914977
The guy on the right has the perfect expression for what he's looking at.

>> No.26915001

>>26914987
>>26914977

Honkmind.

>> No.26915009

>>26914977
>>26914987
>it's a feel you wouldn't understand

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>> No.26915039

>>26913682
>I wouldn't ever imagine Saturn dressed like that or in a building that looked like that. You know, like a medieval French person.

Yeah, and the ancient Chinese drew Romans (known as Daqin) as Asian as well.

>> No.26915046

my favourite.

>> No.26915057

>>26915046
detail bits

>> No.26915059

>>26915057

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>> No.26915286

>>26915201
>>26915205

Bruegel's paintings were always incredibly depressing for me to look at.

>> No.26915380

>>26915264
I always really liked the skeleton pulling the guy into the rocks. Like, fuck. The terrifying army of the dead isn't enough? These assholes need to hide in cliffs and just yank niggaz down into the earth?

Needless to say, skeletons in my games are always cracked-out psychos who do weird shit.

>> No.26915502

Obligatory "Knight in the Wrong Neighborhood." From the Jacquerie Rebellion.

>> No.26915512

>>26915286

His Apocalypse was fucking brutal. The Skellies are out in force, partying like white college boys and everybody else is like WE ALL FUUUUUCKED

>> No.26915550

>>26914203
>But then what can one expect of a modern "artist". The people who took DuChamp literally and decided that shitting in a bowl in front of a crowd was performance "art".

Shitting in front of an audience is a time-honoured tradition, as is laughing about your daugther's genitals.

>> No.26915681

>>26915286
This one isn't. It's more like "average D&D character"

>> No.26915697

>>26915681

It's more like: "I used the Random Encounter Tables to see what happens to this village of Commoners."

>> No.26915713

>>26915264
>Donald Duck
It took me too long to notice that

>> No.26915783

>>26915697
That's not a village. It's hell. Meg is clearly a high level barbarian who summoned a horde of dutch amazons to help her pillage hell.

>> No.26915821

>>26913682
Artists all across the world drew everything in their local style using local colors, local races, local architecture, local weapons, local everything.
One of the easiest ways to see this is to look for depictions of Jesus.
He would realistically be a middle eastern man wearing middle eastern clothes, but depending on where the artist comes from he's been depicted as every shade of skin tone humans come in with all sorts of local flavor attached.
Chinese Jesus, really dark African Jesus, blond hair blue eyed Jesus, ect. ect.

>> No.26915939

>>26914214
>>26914246

asian fart.
RAT 5, SP 8, POW 14
Shitty Continuous Effect.
Ignores cover and concealment.

>> No.26916090

>>26915821
>Artists all across the world drew everything in their local style using local colors, local races, local architecture, local weapons, local everything.

See: Norse Gods in US fiction.

>> No.26916657

>>26915205

>using the censored version

>> No.26916740

>>26916657
>censored
>not actually just a worse/different scan

>> No.26916999

>>26916740

Look closer, fuckles. There are numerous versions of the painting, but the one most frequently shown has all the murdered babies painted over with other things.

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