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/tg/ I have a quick question that I can't find the answer to. In 40k, is there no concept of a universe? In the books I have read thus far and from the codices, it's always about "the galaxy", the galaxy will burn in flame, the galaxy will be consumed. Where is the universe talk, do the Astronomican not know about what's outside their own galaxy?

>> No.26911149

Mankind has not managed to travel outside the galaxy and return to tell of it. The Warp doesn't count.

>> No.26911161

>>26911108

Do you realize how far apart galaxies are? And it's not like they can use warp travel to reach them since they wouldn't be close enough to the Astronomicon.

>> No.26911165

We may have gone beyond the galaxy before the Dark Age of Technology, but any attempt since then has resulted in failure.

>> No.26911192

>>26911108
There is knowledge of there being things beyond the milky way, but no interest whatsoever in them except for a few hints

>The nids come from outside our galaxy, might have consumed others
>The Carcharodons guard the galactic edge from outside threats and occasionally disappear into the beyond, sometimes for millenia
>There's some stuff about the halo stars i dont remember too well

>> No.26911200

>>26911161
Yes i do know how far apart galaxies are. Enlighten me about how the astronomicon actually works, cause I really dont know.

>> No.26911226

>>26911200
imagine a huge dark room (like a square mile) and a birthday candle in the middle, the candle is the astronomican, the room is the warp

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>>26911108
The galaxy's size is underrepresented for convenience sake.

The Galaxy and space is so large, the human mind has difficulty even comprehending it, let alone the Universe which remains a mystery. Science fiction may be set in the future but its written by people in the 21st century, as it is everyone travels by warp travel across the galaxy and shit takes decades to get accomplished. The galaxy is simply "large enough", and speaking about it in galaxy terms leaves the rest of the Universe a nice little mystery for people to speculate about.

>> No.26911239

>>26911200
Big ball of literally SCREAMING psionic energy, saying "HEY. THIS IS WHERE EARTH IS. FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT RELATIVE TO THAT."

>> No.26911296

The astronomicon is the emperor's light, a beacon that shines in the warp, that navigators use to plot their position in real and unreal space be look at it's position and shine. Though that's just the base understanding according to people who cannot actually see into the warp. Without it, warp travel is literally blind and although the shortest possible jumps are occasionally done without navigator/beacon help. anything longer has as much chance of ending up in any other time/place/dimension as random chance could give you.

The beacon is not infinite, however, and has recently been fading in strength, it can only be seen by a majority of the real space in our galaxy. Thus traveling beyond that range is understandably difficult.

>> No.26911305

>>26911200
It's a psychic beacon on Terra, which humans ships use to navigate.

It only reaches so far, as it is the furthest reaches of the Milky Way are hell to navigate. Outside of the galaxy navigation is almost impossible, with only very short jumps have any chance of success whatsoever.

And on top of that, since travel within the galaxy can easily take years without going from one side to another, use your knowledge of the distance between galaxies and think of what that means for the travbel time.

>> No.26911367

>>26911305
>>26911296

Ah I see, I didn't realized the astronomicon was actually the emperors shit. So it's basically a lighthouse.

>> No.26911395

I'd say because the 40k setting is aware that the universe is fucking huge, containing more galaxies than the largest galaxy has stars. A universe is fucking huge and therefore shouldn't be something you should really worry about.

>> No.26911429

>>26911367
Yes. A big psychic lighthouse, that's a good analogy.

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>>26911108
To someone within 40K, asking about outside the galaxy is like asking who lives next door while your house is on fire, an aircraft spare fuel tank just fell in your roof, the kids are trying to murder you for their inheritance, your dog's gone rabid and Cthulhu's somehow woken up in your basement

I think they've go enough trouble to deal with

>> No.26911560

>>26911492

It's pretty important when your next door neighbors are cannibal Mormons who are about to knock on your door.

>> No.26911576

>>26911108
OP that thing in pic is EPIC

>> No.26911953

>>26911429
I think of it more like the north star sailors use to navigate across the oceans.

Lighthouses only warn sailors where the shore and port is

>> No.26911993

>>26911953

It would be a light house if the Earth was flat you orangutan

>> No.26912060

>>26911305
No just humans, plenty of xeno races that use warp travel navigate by its light.

Also there's probably no warp outside the boundaries of the galaxy. It's a big sea of angry emotions and demons and stuff. The only visitors from outside the galaxy (Tyranids) floated over from the closest with no warp travel which probably took millions of years.

>> No.26912124

>>26912060
Maybe there is warps in other galaxies ?

>> No.26912238

>>26912124

Warp doesn't work that way.

>> No.26912315

>>26912238
Well, it's a parallel dimension, I would agree that the void is "empty" outside of the galaxy, but the dimension may exist and be "full" if there is sentient creatures.

>> No.26912322

>>26912060
But tyranids have psychers, would that work without the warp or did they not get psychers before entering the milky way?

>> No.26912328

Star Wars is basically the same way: everything involves the "Galaxy" because (other than two weird mini-galaxies just above the plane of the main one) anything extragalactic is just too damn far away to worry about. The exception is... wait for it... an invader race that grows its weapons and ships organically and totally overhauls the biosphere of planets it takes over.

>> No.26912335

>>26912322
>did they not get psychers before entering the milky way
that's possible, also Tyranides are attracted by the astronomican

>> No.26912347

>>26912328

Yuuzhan-Vong did not rip off Tyranids.

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>>26912322
Their current codex says they do not use the Warp "in any fathomable way", then goes on to describe Zoanthropes using the Warp.

>TYRANID PSYKERS
>Many Tyranid creatures are also psykers. They do not draw power from the Warp in any fathomable way, but rather they harness a fraction of the Hive Mind’s gestalt will. This makes no difference for game purposes and these models still follow all the normal rules for psykers – a Perils of the Warp attack instead representing massive cerebral trauma or synaptic feedback.

>Despite their instinctive command over their otherworldly abilities, tapping into the power of the Warp is not without danger. It is not unknown for Zoanthropes to suffer massive cerebral trauma whilst attempting to harness the energies they wield.

>Warp Blast: The Zoanthrope taps into the raw power of the Hive Mind, unleashing it as a blast of pure Warp energy that arcs from its oversized cranium.

>Warp Lance: The Zoanthrope focuses the Warp power it has harnessed into a more contained stream, firing a single devastating bolt that can punch through fortress walls and vapourise a battle tank.

>> No.26912396

I heard once that there are these huge ass lovecraftain horrors, not C'tan. Like straight up shit that breaks your mind. They "swim" through the void, taking millions of years sense time doesn't matter to them, just looking for things to fuck up. Its implied the nids are running from one. But I honestly recall were im getting this from, so take it with a grain of salt

>> No.26912414

>>26912387

Same with Chaos Daemons describing a space marine in the warp that's totally supposed to be Draigo falling to Slaanesh then saying no GK has ever fallen.

>> No.26912430

>>26912396
Cant recall* fuck its early/late
Damn you /tg/ why must you be fun

>> No.26912435

>>26912387
So GW don't know and questioning it is pointless?

>> No.26912437
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>>26912396
>Its implied the nids are running from one.

It's not implied the Tyranids are running from anything. Just suggested as one possible cause for them leaving their home galaxy, the other being that they've simply consumed everything there and moved on.

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Also, warp travel for reference.

>> No.26912478

>>26912437
Like I said I dont know where im pulling this from, or if its cannon, I just remember hearing this once. I just really like the idea of giant space horrors. The idea of giant monsters just drifting through the void, waiting for the day for new prey, or maybe just playthings, something to toy with.

>> No.26912487

>>26912387
Sounds like orks and wyrdboyz. They don't draw on the warp itself, but all the orks have a small connection to the warp (which generates the WAAAGH! field) and the wyrdboyz just tap into this, thus they don't mess up the warp as much nor attract daemons. Sometimes it's way too much and their head will just pop from the load.

>> No.26912539

>>26911226

/thread

>> No.26912542

>>26911226
AND IT SEEMS TO ME YOU LIVED YOUR LIFE LIKE A CANDLE IN THE WIND

>> No.26912560

>>26912322
Weren't Zoanthropes meant to be derived from Eldar, like how Biovores were derived from Orks and Hive Guard were derived from Space Marines.

>> No.26912564

>>26912487
The difference being that tyranids actually fuck up the warp and screw up people who can tap into it (psykers) so it's odd that they both are using hive powers and somehow using the warp because everything that's magic is warp/daemon powered.

>> No.26912583

>>26912564
Maybe they're weaponising Warp white noise? So a warp blast is a blast of pre concentrated psychic static?

>> No.26912591

the farthest sent mechanicus probes report only ork hurrdurring on the radio waves

>> No.26912610

>>26912060
The warp is an alternate reality harmonious with life and has been for eons. Only when sentient races appeared did this natural flow disrupt and emotions and shit start pooling and warping the immaterium until it was a roiling storm. This was the fluff in Realm of Chaos and is continued in Codex: Necrons and Codex: Chaos Daemons.

Some fluff, I remember, mentions Chaos worshipers in other galaxies, but can't remember if this was GW or FFG. Have to have a looksy. Sounds like FFG, or at best, 4e shit.

Technically it would make sense for Chaos to be centered around its source of power, us. The warp can extend beyond the galaxy and across the universe (why wouldn't it?) but the further you went the less emotions would be poured into it and less "chaotic" it would be. And the gods don't like the calm warp. In 6e daemon codex it says that if one of them was to defeat the others, the Great Game would be over and the warp calm, meaning the end of them all.

>>26911108
Astronomicon is stated to have a range of 50,000 light years from Terra (though it might not be completely spherical nor constant) and created by the psychic choir of thousands of psykers just reaching into the warp and screaming internally for years until they burn out. This is focused through the Emperor into a mighty beacon, forming a fixed point for navigators to keep track of their relation to Terra, as well as helping astropathic choirs with communication (Ultima Macharias has fallen outside the beacon's range and astropathic contact with them is no longer possible).

>> No.26912629

>>26912560
>>26912583
Well, /tg/, you've rewritten part of my tyranid fluff. Thanks for that.

>Tyranids can't into the warp
>Use eldar genes to tap into it
>Which part of this is dangerous? Oh well, shoot it all and see what happens!

>> No.26912642

>>26912610
Actually it only go fucked up when the Old Ones started weaponising it. And then that drew the Enslavers.

>> No.26912643

>>26912347
I know that, they're far too different to be a ripoff (unlike the Zerg). It's just a really funny coincidence (to me, at least).

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>>26912629

Forgot my thank you pic.

I think I'll go fiddle with a genestealer / zoanthrope based list.

>> No.26912666

>>26911192

>stuff about the Halo Stars I don't remember too well

That's probably for the best, citizen.

>> No.26912702

there's also that bit about blood galaxy of khorne

>> No.26912946

>>26912642
According to Realm of Chaos and, to some extent, 6e daemon codex, sentients began polluting the warp with their emotions from day one (there's one bit that says that the moment one sentient raised its hand against another in anger, the essence of Khorne has existed within the warp). War in Heaven just fucked it up royally, but the calmness of the warp already had ripples in it before that.

>> No.26913043

were they using warp travel during the great crusade? when did the astronomicon first appear and how did ppl explain the possibility of this warp travel? was the golden throne created so that astropaths weren't needed?

>> No.26913050

>>26913043 not the great crusade but the unification wars and shit.

>> No.26913065

>>26913043
Warp travel has been discovered by mankind somewhere between the 16th and 22th millennia IIRC.

>> No.26913097

>>26913043
>were they using warp travel during the great crusade?

Yes.

>when did the astronomicon first appear and how did ppl explain the possibility of this warp travel?

Probably appeared when the Emperor was gearing up to go into space. They probably explained it by saying they were going into another dimension for travel.

>was the golden throne created so that astropaths weren't needed?

No, Astropaths are needed to send messages and are one of the Emperor's creations.

>>26913050
The Unification wars were only on Earth, so they wouldn't need warp travel.

>was the golden throne created so that astropaths weren't needed?

>> No.26913138

>>26913065
M18 to be precise, first navigators appeared in M22 to allow deep warp travel.

>> No.26913146

>>26913043
Humans discovered warp travel in M18 and in M21 we got navigators, which led to the great exodus into the stars and the formation of many colonies that the Great Crusade united later.

In about M25 onwards warp travel became hard, nigh impossible (though you still had foundation of Necromunda, squats trading with orks and eldar, Admech forming the knight worlds, etc.) and the human empire fell apart. Around M28 and M29 the Emperor united Earth and later Mars, build the astronomicon to fuel the Great Crusade and assembled the Space Marine legions. In M29-M30 (depending on the source), Slaanesh was born, the Fall of the Eldar happened and the Eye of Terror was formed. This swept away the warp storms and the Emperor launched the Great Crusade.

>> No.26913174

NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT RESOURCES TRILLIONS OF LIGHTYEARS AWAY!

>> No.26913176

>>26912643
> implying "ancient foe from beyond the known space" and "aliens using nothing but biotechnology" weren't sf tropes already decades before 40K, New Jedi Order story arc, Starcraft, Babylon 5, Wing Commander: Prophecy, etc.

>> No.26913190

>>26911239
Wouldn't you need at least four points to triangulate where you are in three dimensional space?

>> No.26913199

>>26913190
First, deep warp travel is far from precise, second they are in the galaxy plane, third they take into account the intensity of the light to estimate the distance.

>> No.26913208

>>26913190

if the three points are themselves three dimension points, they should be enough

>> No.26913214

>>26913190
Three if you know the distance between you and the points, four if you don't.

>> No.26913269

I like to imagine every other galaxy out there has its own monolithic crumbling empires, it's own variety of daemonic pantheons, ancient psychic void-roamers, hordes of beastly monsters and bucket loads of Orks as this one does
That even though wars of immense scale and stakes are fought by billions across the Imperium, the apocalyptic struggle between mankind , the ruinous powers and the xeno hordes, it means nothing amidst the endless sea of the universe, a vast space that fails to notice anything that happens in one single star-swirly-thing

>> No.26913278

>>26913190
One is better than none.

Warp travel is not exactly rocket science, you just look at a map and know your position in real space, then drop into the warp, set your course to your destination and keep the beacon where you need it to be. In the warp your ship can be taken away on currents or knocked around, so having something to relate to helps (if your ship gets pushed around, you'll notice the beacon on the wrong side and can turn the ship around, for example).

>> No.26913311

>>26913269
Our problems stem from the Old Ones. They began to toy with the warp and created weapons that fucked it up. The warp became twisted and violent and also began influencing us in turn, making the galaxy into a violent shithole.

Without large numbers of psykers working around the clock, most galaxies would be just fine.

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>>26912610
>In 6e daemon codex it says that if one of them was to defeat the others, the Great Game would be over and the warp calm, meaning the end of them all.

The Warp would be calm because the entire universe would be dead.

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>>26913311
Stop blaming the Old Ones.

The C'tan were the ones that unleashed the Warp horrors on the galaxy and messed up the Warp.

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>>26913359
How about you roll up you 4e bullshit and stick it up your dick? 6e has brought the fluff back on track and maybe you should get with the program as well.

>> No.26913423

>>26913385
Nope.

I figured it out.

The Warp would be calm because the apocalypse caused by the death of the Chaos Gods would wipe out everything. So back into business. Elemental POWER is ours!

>> No.26913432

>>26913269
Well, Orks and Eldars are creations of the Old Ones, and it's hinted that the Necrons are somehow linked to humans.

>> No.26913433

>>26913176

>thinks starcraft came before warhammer...

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>>26913379
How about you read the actual fluff and not that FFG bullshit?

Old Ones tinkered with the warp, they created psychic races, they refused to help the Necrons, War in Heaven, armies of psychic races using psychic weapons and powers, warp becomes fucked, etc.

>> No.26913447

>>26912643
Don't forget HALO too

>> No.26913452

>>26913434
>Reading 3e trash and not glorious Realms of Chaos.

>> No.26913465
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>>26912478
>The idea of giant monsters just drifting through the void, waiting for the day for new prey, or maybe just playthings, something to toy with.

>tfw GW anounces Dai Gurren Brigade Xenos hunters as their next faction

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>>26913434
No. FFG is canon and newer fluff takes precedence over older fluff.

The C'tan were responsible for state of the Warp now. They unleashed the enslavers, Warp storms/rifts, and daemons on the galaxy.

This http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Hadex_Anomaly ''Warp hole'' reminds the Necrons of the horrors the C'tan unleashed. all of this is solid proof of the Old One's innocence.

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The Silent king tried to leave the galaxy, but picked the direction the Tyranids were coming from so he turned around and came back to apparently warn others and stop them seeing how if they ate all life etc, any chance of getting mortal bodies back would be fucked.

It's never stated what direction he went in though, for all we know he could have went in the opposite direction of the current tyranid invasion and still found tyranids on the other side of the galaxy

>> No.26913518

>>26913423
Too bad your FFG fueled headcanon is not what's written there.

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>>26911108
The universe is there. But the imperium doesn't care for it since warp travel cannot be done to the other galaxies.
Even at the far reaches of the galaxy light of the astronomican doesnt shine bright, forgot the name but Night Lords run to a planet where the light of astronomican doesnt reach, because curze dont like shiny stuff.

Tyranids came from another galaxy which is proof that other galaxies exist and contain life.

Warp is linked with the reality so its safe to assume it spans the entire universe.

The Imperium is ignorant so think of them as in Alexander's macedonian people, they thought after india there are no lands and world ends there. So they dont know or dont care about rest of the universe. They got their hands full with all kinds of wars.

>> No.26913529

>>26913452
Can you point to me towards War in Heaven fluff in Realms of Chaos?

>> No.26913531

>>26913465

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Whale#.UiCBrD-nmQo

Hunt dem space whales.

>> No.26913534

>>26913518
They just omitted the destruction of everything that exists which is mentioned in previous Chaos materials.

Also FFG rules!

>> No.26913537

>>26911108
Tyranids come from a different galaxy, but GW are somewhat realistic in the way inter galactic travel is quite beyond reach.

unlike marvel universes where galaxies are treated like countries or planet clusters.

>> No.26913554

>>26913311
>Without large numbers of psykers working around the clock, most galaxies would be just fine.

I AM KORPARATE CHAOS GOD OF THE 9-5 SHIFT!
All mortals will bow to me and sacrifice audits in my unholy name lest I unleash my horde of daemons!
All will fall to my mighty Great Unprofitable Ones and my fearsome Bloodletter-openers.

Those who bow willingly will be granted boons beyond their wildest dreams, sensible business practices, high staff turnover and long term fiscal stability are but a few of the ... gifts the warp shall grant you.

>> No.26913556

>>26911165
>>an Explorer mission vessel went into another galaxy and triggered the tyranid invasion
I'd buy it for a dollar

>> No.26913595

>>26913468
>FFG is canon

3rd party fluff has never been canon. The old "everything is official" has been elaborated on and it means BL and FW stuff, not 3rd party.

>> No.26913599

>>26913432
Closing stages of the War in Heaven are rather too conveniently placed at 65 million BCE, ie. around the time of the Chixulub impact.

>> No.26913600 [DELETED] 

>>26913556

Szarekh met the tyranids in the void long before humanity could even do such a thing,

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Szarekh#.UiCDJz-nmQp

>> No.26913612

>>26913595

Good. FFG is retarded and pulls shit out of its ass all the fucking time.

>> No.26913622

>>26913534
>They just omitted the destruction of everything that exists which is mentioned in previous Chaos materials.

Where? Because only source anyone can ever quote on that is FFG, and guess what, FFG is not GW and GW doesn't have to give two shits about what they write.

>Also FFG rules!

Well, you are entitled to your opinions.

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>>26913468
So if Emperor turns out to be an Eldar by FFG then its canon?

There is no such thing as canon/not-canon, have you studied religions? They have thousands of different canons in the SAME RELIGION.

Warhammer is written by dozens of different writers over the years with no consistancy at all. So there is no "Canon" that is accepted by GW.

FFG is cool and all but raping the most awesome battle between the C'tan and Old Ones arent cool at all.

For instance Draigo doenst fucking exists in muh 40K. I dont care if some cocksucker in GW says he is.

So you can either go suck matt's ward, or enjoy muh 40K.

As Aaron Dembski Bowden said "All of it happened and non of it happened".

>> No.26913644

>>26911296
Astronomicon is needed to get blackships to bring psykers from across the galaxy to feed it.

Psykers from across the galaxy are needed to feed the Astronomicon.

Something bad could happen, but those thouzand screaming human psykers defiantly chanting their faith in front of the Chaos God and all the psykic-able galaxy is the sort of Badassery only Mankind of Terra is capable of.

Humanity : fuck yeah!!!

Astronomicon is like the equivalent the eyes of terror is into reality...

Eyes of terror : human can't watch into it or get mad/possessed.
Astronomicon : daemons can't watch it or they get burned/blinded/mad.

>> No.26913652

>>26913595
> The old "everything is official" has been elaborated on and it means BL and FW stuff, not 3rd party.

You people like to spout that but I have yet seen any official ''word of god'' on the matter.

Until you could provide anything substantial, FFG is canon and the C'tan were responsible for everything and the Old Ones are innocent.

>> No.26913653

>>26913599
Well, I'm pretty sure the world today is ruled by crypto-necrons anyway.

>> No.26913681

>>26913622
>Where? Because only source anyone can ever quote on that is FFG, and guess what, FFG is not GW and GW doesn't have to give two shits about what they write.

This (>>26913359) from a previous Chaos dex.

''Undoing the fabric of creation''

>Well, you are entitled to your opinions.

My sound and right opinion, of course. You people are biased against FFG despite it being in line with the main canon.

>> No.26913696

Astropaths have problems sending back signals the further out they are as well, also they often report strange aliens thoughts echoing in the void at the edge of the galaxy, and I remember the ADMech sent a prob out of the galaxy as far as possible and they data sent back indicated whatever else is out there Orks are there too.

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>>26913554
"Financial... employed... ambitious... brethren.
In but a single decade, a few mere swipes of the timecard, we have gathered a portfolio that will be made legend.
Though it was a simpler, weaker voice that illuminated me during my centuries upon working for non profit organisations...
...it was the corporations HR manager that showed me the true path of freedom from our pathetic long term investments.
And what is this path? This meaning, this purpose to which we gather the banknotes of our foes?
It is nothing. There is no meaning, no purpose. We plunder. We profit. It is mindless commerce, this ECONOMY IS MINDLESS!
In mere hours, billions will be investors. Insolvent! Greedy! Rich and Poor! Honest and deceitful! ALL of them!
They will bankrupt, they will default, and for no purpose but that mighty Capitalism may revel in their bloodshed!
And united in this void of ethics, regulation, or duty... we shall at long last be rich!
Funds for the Fund God! Stocks for the Stock Throne! LET THE GALAXY BUY!"

>> No.26913701

>>26913468
GW fluff takes precedence over FFG fluff.

>> No.26913706

>>26913652
>word of god
>Marc Gascoigne
>BL publisher

Well, here's the word of an even bigger god, the head of BL, George Mann:
>"Studio material (rulebooks, codexes, army books and suchlike) was canonical in that it HAD to be adhered-to"

>> No.26913714
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>>26913529
WHY THE HELL AREN'T WE EATING THOSE?

>> No.26913716

>>26913634
In my 40k, the great crusade never happened and all humans are a race of Daigo clones.

Two can play this game

>> No.26913717

>>26913634
FFG is reviewed by GW and they give them the green light to publish what they want.

So citing FFG sources when discussing the lore is valid. You can create your own headcanon however mine is backed by established fluff!

>> No.26913729

>>26913696
Wrong. People add to this Ork singals all the time. They didn't come from other galaxies etc.

>> No.26913731

>>26913634
>They have thousands of different canons in the SAME RELIGION.

And each religion is based on whose canon they consider canon and whose canon is non-canon.

>> No.26913734

>>26913714
I meant to link to
>>26913531

>> No.26913741

>>26913706
Provide links to articles and whatever. Rather than giving me second hand quotes.

>>26913701
No, it doesn't.

>> No.26913745

>>26913681
>previous

And here's the even newer Chaos codex >>26913385

Nothing about undoing the fabric of reality there.

>biased against FFG despite it being in line with the main canon

Apart from, of course, Chaos being a primordial force fed by abstract concepts, C'tan eating souls and fucking with the warp left and right, Marine bolters being too powerful for a regular person to operate, etc.

FFG fluff is as shit as GW fluff, it's just shit in different places.

>> No.26913759

>>26913729
Didn't the silent king go off into the wild black yonder and shit himself because of something that wasn't the tyranids out there?

>> No.26913784

>>26913759
No, he shit himself at the tyranids, stated in the newcron codex, hes trying to unite all the newcrons under hisbanner to stand against them

>> No.26913808

>>26913729
I never said they came from another galaxy, the piece stated that the probe found that orks have spread everywhere even adjacent galaxies.

>> No.26913810

>>26913717
>what they want

Lucasarts gave green light to Terminal Reality for Star Wars Kinetic, but I doubt Vader and Emperor having a dance-off is canon.

>mine is backed by established fluff!

So is ours, straight from GW studios, but your headcanon ignores it over your 3rd party stuff.

>>26913741
Can you give me a link to the quote by Marc Gascoigne instead of a second hand quote?

>> No.26913811

>>26911108
It all takes place in the one galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy

>> No.26913838

>>26913810
>but I doubt Vader and Emperor having a dance-off is canon.

Stop killing my dreams.

>> No.26913843

>>26913745
>Nothing about undoing the fabric of reality there.

Been omitted, like I said. They just showed the effects of the demise of the Gods in the Warp and didn't go into the universal effect it would have.

In the newer and older Chaos fluff, guess what the Chaos Gods are called? The Primordial Annihilator!

>Apart from, of course, Chaos being a primordial force fed by abstract concepts, C'tan eating souls and fucking with the warp left and right, Marine bolters being too powerful for a regular person to operate, etc.

Reviewed by the editors and writers of GW before being allowed to go to the presses. This means that everything in FFG is in line with the vision of GW and its canon. Deal with it and accept it as a vaild source already and let us get on with our lives!

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>>26913784
Yay! More win for us!

>> No.26913879

>>26911232
probably the best way anyone could have said it.

10/10

>> No.26913897

>>26913810
>Lucasarts gave green light to Terminal Reality for Star Wars Kinetic, but I doubt Vader and Emperor having a dance-off is canon.

FFG canon is meant to be a part of the main universe of 40K and in equal standing with the anything else. Big difference!

>So is ours, straight from GW studios, but your headcanon ignores it over your 3rd party stuff.

In the land of equal citations, the newer takes rewrites precedence.

Also it's not my headcanon. It's valid and accurate fluff from a certified source!

>> No.26913907

>>26913843
>In the newer and older Chaos fluff

[citation needed]

>inb4 another FFG quote

>Reviewed by the editors and writers of GW before being allowed to go to the presses.

[citation needed]

>> No.26913922

>>26913515
i dont get how they dont think Human bodies arent perfect for them ?

werent they pretty much just shrivelled up weak as fuck humans before anyway ?

imagine a 3rd human race besides marines & chaos, but weilding all necron tech & vehicles

>> No.26913931

>>26913897
>FFG canon is meant to be a part of the main universe of 40K and in equal standing with the anything else. Big difference!

[citation needed]

>valid and accurate fluff from a certified source!

[citation needed]

>> No.26913936

>>26913810
>Can you give me a link to the quote by Marc Gascoigne instead of a second hand quote?

No, that's your job. You said you have something that discounts FFG as a proper source.

>implying it exists

Now now hop to it and provide it or drop it.

>> No.26913961

>>26913936
>You said you have something that discounts FFG as a proper source.

Do you have a source that accounts FFG as a proper source?

>> No.26914040

>>26913784
Wow, that's really stupid, I mean of all the races, the necrons have the least to fear from the nids.

>> No.26914069

>>26914040
ur 1 cheeky cunt m8, he's scared the Tyranids are going to eat all the available bodies before the Necrons wake up.

>> No.26914101

>>26913961
Dark Heresy, at least, was published by the Black Library before being passed to FFG.
>not your man, just replying

>> No.26914151

Outside of the Milky Way in 40k is filled with two things: a metric fuckton of nids eating other galaxies and a metric fuckton of chaos-controlled galaxies.

>> No.26914159

>>26914151
Explain the second bit.

>> No.26914173 [DELETED] 

Outside of the Milky Way galaxy in 40k is filled with two things: a metric fuckton of nids eating other galaxies, and a metric fuckton of chaos-controlled galaxies.

>> No.26914194

>>26914159
Well, chaos's only apparent enemy is the Milky Way. Their only problem outside of it is nids eating what they already control.

>> No.26914229

>>26913907
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legion_(Novel)#.UiCSVzYwcrw

For example.

>>inb4 another FFG quote

FFG in equal terms to anything else.

>>26913931
Remember tat one huge paragraph that people keep bringing up which says anything with the GW is valid canon? Yeah that one.

Anything with GW symbol is vaild!

>>26913961
>Do you have a source that accounts FFG as a proper source?

Do you have any sources that say it doesn't? You put up the claim first and its your job to back it up!

>> No.26914263

>>26914194
Their only problem outside the Milky Way is that the warp only corresponds to the materium in the Milky Way. The chaos gods are only about our galaxy. In the vast emptiness of the intergalactic void, there are only whales, a few orks, and a fuckton of tyranids.

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>>26914263
Lies.

>> No.26914304

>>26914270
Oh.
That's interesting.
Who wrote that Codex?

>> No.26914313

>>26914270
"In his mind"...

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>>26914313

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>>26914313
Why do you force me to do your homework?

That's rude.

>>26914304
Kelly

>> No.26914450

>>26914263
Ah shit, I forgot about void whales.

I'm thinking about tossing a half-eaten one at my deathwatch group. It'll be covered & smothered in nids, and really pissed off.

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>>26914365
I'm surprised. I always thought chaos spanned the Milky Way Galaxy, otherwise everyone would have FTL travelled to other galaxies.

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>>26914451
What's suprising is how you missed it when Chaos fluff across editions and codexes state and restate it again.

The Warp has pathways to other dimensions and other planes of existence. It spanning the universe is not far fetched.

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>>26914229
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legion_(Novel)#.UiCSVzYwcrw

What am I looking at here?

>Remember tat one huge paragraph that people keep bringing up

You got a link to the proper source of it? You don't allow the quote by George Mann (which refuted that claim) to count as a source, but you happily use the one that supports your claim, which has equally weak origins.

>You put up the claim first and its your job to back it up!

I'm pretty sure you're the one who started posting FFG fluff like it meant something. Surely you have some valid source to your claim that it's as valid, because I can dig up all sorts of fluff that's not GW and use it to prove all sorts of stuff.

BAM!

Just proved female Space Marines are a thing.

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>>26914536
My favorite bit is how even though chaos is so powerful, nids still eat everything unchecked.

But I'm a nid fanboy...

>> No.26914565

>>26912387
I always interpreted that as while they don't draw power from the warp, they can still manipulate it. So a Zoathrope using warp blast is like a normal psyker using lighting. The Lightning isn't the psykers source of power, just a tool they manipulate with their power. As is the warp to Tyranid "psykers".

>> No.26914587

>>26912387
>>26914565
This is because they do use the Warp.

It's just the Hivemind metaphysically ripping it into the Materium.

>> No.26914594

>>26914365
So what is actually so bad about Nurgle? He seems like a pretty considerate and cool guy. Hell, he seems nicer than the Tau, not to mention the Imperium.

>> No.26914611

>>26914559
Chaos's total power is huge, but its spread thin across the whole universe. On a more Local scale (say a galaxy) chaos is kinda just average and can be beaten by other powers.

>> No.26914648

>>26914069
that and they've already killed one Dynasty according to the cron codex.

>> No.26914666

>>26914451
Well, the closest galaxy is 25 times further than the galaxy is across. And travelling that distance is already hard enough, let alone 25 times it.

It's also possible the warp warp is calmer in the space between the galaxies, so travel time could be even longer as there's no currents to move you about.

>> No.26914678

>>26914648
No, that Dynasty is still alive but are in reduced state.

>> No.26914754

>>26914263
Actually Khorne has had at least one other galaxy butchered.

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>>26914559
Unchecked?

They just good runners that's all. They eat from the plate of Chaos before Chaos has a chance to swallow it whole. Things gonna change with this galaxy, though. The Tyranids won't steal this galaxy from Chaos. In fact, Tyranids will join everyone else on the plate.

>This is our galaxy. Ours to corrupt. Ours to enslave. The gods will not be denied their prize.

-Xereth, Sorcerer of the Black Legion (Tyranid 4th Codex)

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>>26914594
Sure, if you don't mind living for all eternity with super aids for teh lulz.

>> No.26914804

>>26914754
>The Avatar [of Khorne] feasted on the slaughter it had caused, sensing the oceans of blood yet to be shed through the gateway its sword, bloated with death, had torn in the world. Galaxies of billions upon billions of souls awaited harvest and feeding to the Blood God. There were realms where the time it had wasted here was but the blink of an eye, where there were slaughters that would perhaps one day assuage Khorne's hunger.

>Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God. 'Emperor's mercy,' wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God...

Damn straight!

Khorne and the Chaos Gods have been doing it since before the Tyranid hipsters made it cool

>> No.26914833

>good runners
>only thing slower than nid FTL is Tau
Yawn.

>they avoid warp storms
Well no fucking shit, that's kind of a sensible thing to do.

>blah blah IT'S MINE
Oh look, the chaos sorceror is arrigant. Shocking.

>> No.26914845

>>26914833
obviously meant for
>>26914775


Fix your damn quotes, moot.

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>>26914833
>Well no fucking shit, that's kind of a sensible thing to do.

Exactly. Stay out of Chaos' way.
But then, playthings will be played with.

>> No.26914869

>>26914775
How do 'Nids avoid warp storms if they don't travel the warp? Narvhals just use the gravity of stars to form a gravity tunnel and zip along that.

>> No.26914881

>>26914869
Warp storms are a thing in real space too.

>> No.26914891

>>26914833
>Yawn.

They are the only faction that can escape galaxies before they get devoured by Chaos. It isn't about the speed.

>Well no fucking shit, that's kind of a sensible thing to do.

Cowards who run from the might of Chaos. Proves that what Chaos gets the Tyranids won't dare try to rob (except in rare cases).

>Oh look, the chaos sorceror is arrigant. Shocking.

Not just him. The Chaos Gods as well cry out IT'S MINE!

What the Chaos Gods promise, they deliver.

>> No.26914938

>>26914891
Why do you think tyranids are running from chaos?
They've never shown any hesitation in invading chaos held worlds.

>> No.26914989

>>26914938
A single Chaos infested world is an easy target.

Have they tried invading the Eye of Terror and Chaos rifts intentionally?

>> No.26915005

>>26914881
Those are called rifts. Maelstrom, Storm of the Emperor's Wrath, Eye of Terror, they are all warp rifts. Storms are limited to the warp, though can weaken the barrier between the warp and real space and result in a rift.

It's like lava and magma. If it's beneath the surface, it's magma, and if it breaks through, it's lava.

>> No.26915018

>>26915005
The Hivemind is a Warp related thing.

The Warp Storm could mess with it.

>> No.26915019

>>26915005
>Those are called rifts.

Nah, they're not. Warp storms exist in the physical universe. For example the warp storm that engulfed Medusa V could be seen approaching the planet in real space.

>> No.26915026

>>26914891
Warp Storms are dangerous natural phenomena not any direct force of Chaos itself.

Tyranids have never displayed any avoidance of or anything approaching fear of anything Chaos.

Saying avoiding warp rifts means they're afraid of chaos is like saying ships are afraid of rain because they avoid cyclones.

>> No.26915043

>>26915026
>Warp Storms are dangerous natural phenomena not any direct force of Chaos itself.

Slaanesh had warp storms fucking over the entire galaxy before.

>> No.26915063

>>26915026
>Warp Storms are dangerous natural phenomena not any direct force of Chaos itself.

Except Chaos Gods are the masters of the Warp and have been know to cause Warp Storm intentionally or unintentionally.

So if they run from the Warp storms which are the result of Chaos pouring through the galaxy, then it means they are fleeing Chaos.

>> No.26915064

>>26915043
Birth of Slaanesh blew the storms away.

>> No.26915086

>>26915064
Correction, the reshuffling of the Chaos powers did.

Warp storms moved from one area to the next and concentrated in certain areas like the EYE!

>> No.26915090

>>26915063
And people can set bushfires, doesn't mean all bushfires are someones weapon or that people who avoid bushfires are afraid of dudes with matches.

Warpstorms are not Chaos pouring through the galaxy. Just the Warp, while chaos (among others) can manipulate the warp the warp does plenty of shit on its own too. Avoiding Warp Storms in no way at all suggests fear of Chaos or the Chaos gods.

>> No.26915126

>>26915018
Hivefleets are known to have gone through warp rifts. So I'd go with it doesn't effect the hivemind in any meaningful way.
The Tyranid codex suggests that the hivemind itself doesn't use the warp. Though as an extremely powerful mind it is capable of influencing it like any other.

>> No.26915141

>>26915090
You don't understand. Th Warp would be a calm without the Chaos Gods. All the Chaos rifts and Storms are directly caused by Chaos and Chaos alone.

The Great Game of Chaos causes the Warp to pour into the reality. So basically, Warp storms are the power of the Chaos Gods flexing into this realm.

>> No.26915167

>>26915126
>Hivefleets are known to have gone through warp rifts. So I'd go with it doesn't effect the hivemind in any meaningful way.

Only one Hive Fleet went into a Chaos Rift and exited it as cannibalistic insane mutated mess. So obviously YOU ARE WRONG!

>The Tyranid codex suggests that the hivemind itself doesn't use the warp. Though as an extremely powerful mind it is capable of influencing it like any other.

Nope.

It suggest that it uses it but in an alien way.

>> No.26915208

>>26915141
>You don't understand. The Warp would be a calm without the Chaos Gods.

no it wouldn't chaos and gods only exist because it isn't calm. What makes it not calm is the emotions of sentient minds, these emotions are also what the chaos gods are made of.

While warp storms can be caused by the chaos gods. they aren't all caused by them and also happen on their own (or sometimes the emperor makes some)

>> No.26915240

Does every 40k thread devolve into arguing over what is or isn't canon?

>> No.26915253

>>26915208
>no it wouldn't chaos and gods only exist because it isn't calm.

(>>26913385) Check this.

No, they are the reason its not calm.

>What makes it not calm is the emotions of sentient minds,

Exactly. The Chaos Gods are those emotions and their infighting turns the Warp into a hellish hell that pours into this reality.

>While warp storms can be caused by the chaos gods. they aren't all caused by them and also happen on their own (or sometimes the emperor makes some)

Lies. The Great Game of Chaos and the weakening of the walls of Real Space, all of which are caused directly by Chaos God shenanigans, are the reason behind Warp Storms and Warp rifts all over the universe.

>> No.26915305

>>26915167
Tyranids are known to engage on cannibalism on their own and are as susceptible to warp exposre mutations as anyone else.
I wasn't saying the Tyranid cratures themselves didn't suffer during the time the spent in the warp, but the Hivemind was certainly unaffected.
What came out of the Eye of Terror while damaged was still a Tyranid hivefleet and acted like one.

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>>26911192

The Tyranids are not only rumored to have originated somewhere outside our galaxy, but it's also claimed that they're only here because they were running from something worse.

>> No.26915351

>>26915063

Nurgle has intentionally caused Warp Storms as well, he deliberately trapped Mortarion in one if I recall correctly

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>>26915240

Yes. Next question.

>> No.26915365

>>26915328
>but it's also claimed that they're only here because they were running from something worse.
That idea is quite inconsistent with their displayed actions (they're surrounding and invading the galaxy not fleeing through it) and its also wild speculation in universe by an imperial scholar who in the same paragraph speculates that they're unstoppable force of nature as old as the universe itself.

>> No.26915382

>>26915365
It's not imperial scholar. It's the Narrator of the setting and you're right its among the speculated origins of the Tyranids he throws out there for the reader.

>> No.26915388

>>26915354
this is of course because of GW's pretty loose policy of Everything is canon.
Which leads to people with different ideas of whats actually true canon(the other contradicting canon being propaganda or in universe stories) continuing the same endless arguments that will never be resolved, because officially both sides are correct.

>> No.26915432

>>26913634
Do you know what a person whose canon diverges from the official party line is called?
A heretic.

Do you know what a divergent canon is called?
A heresy.

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>>26915365

>they're surrounding and invading the galaxy not fleeing through it

No, their method of approach could be perfectly consistent with that of a fleeing horde, when put in perspective. Think about it this way: the Tyranid is a literal flood, and our galaxy is a stone in the river. The rushing water will seek out the path of least resistance around the rock so long as it's able. This means that, to begin with, the water will flow around the rock, surrounding it and making an island. As the rate of flow increases, however, the rock will slowly be drowned in the rushing water and it will no longer constitute a point of resistance. The water will then flow on, unimpeded.

> unstoppable force of nature as old as the universe itself

If that would be a surprising or at all incredulous revelation to you, then you need to 40K more.

>> No.26915485

>>26915432
though with 40k canon, theres no such thing has a heresy. Because there is no official canon.
Its just all canon, everything officially published for 40k (GW or 3rd party).

>> No.26915507

>>26915479
…no. They're here to eat.

Nothing that has ever touched the Hivemind has said 'holy shit they're running'.

It says 'FUCKING CHRIST THEY ARE HUNGRY AND THERE ARE BAJILLIONS'.

>> No.26915523

>>26915328
>>26915328
Got thrown out by the extragalactic Orks.

>> No.26915541

>>26915507
That doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't running from something does it?

I mean, if they've spent aeons travelling between galaxies it's probably fair to say that their overriding concern at the minute is FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD until they reach they've stored enough biomass to piss off to the next galaxy away from whatever may (or may not ) be chasing them.

>> No.26915569

>>26915541
But then you'd expect to "hear" running thoughts too even if they're more in the background.

But the only thing ever described is hunger and only hunger.

>> No.26915603

>>26915485
Said in a quote that's thrown around yet nobody can trace it to where it originated from.

And quotes of similar origins from even bigger people state that GW studio fluff is canon and everything else merely does a twist on it. And another one says BL is also canon (now that it's being move under the same roof with the studio).

So it's time to get off the "everything's official" horse.

>> No.26915610

>>26915569
Fair enough

>> No.26915655

>>26915305
>Tyranids are known to engage on cannibalism

Within a single Hive Fleet? Unheard of.

>I wasn't saying the Tyranid cratures themselves didn't suffer during the time the spent in the warp, but the Hivemind was certainly unaffected.

Then explain why the Hivemind orders its Fleets to avoid Warp Storm? What is it afraid from?

Warp Storms happen in the Warp, mostly.

>> No.26915711

>>26913599
What the heck have the Eldar been doing for 65 million years? Why did their civilization reach it's peak only 10,002 years ago?

>> No.26915779

>>26915711
>>"What the heck have the Eldar been doing for 65 million years?"

Fucking

>> No.26915784
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>>26915711
Bad writing

>> No.26915886

>>26915784
Bad writing in that they shouldn't have been written has having a space-capable civilization back that far into the past?

Perhaps though they didn't have a civilisation, and they were just shipped around as living weapons by the Old Ones.

>> No.26915892

>>26915711
Rebuilding.

The C'tan made a mess of things in both real space and the Warp. Do you think it would take a few centuries to clean all that up?

Look here (>>26913379)

>> No.26915913

>>26915784
The fuck is that thing and why does it not have a model on table top

>> No.26915929

>>26915711
Trying to break the Old One genelocks on their cognition.

Since they were meant to be disposable bioweapons, they weren't made with abstract thought in mind.

And so, they've been fighting their hilarious retardation in everything not directly pertaining to warfare for tens of millions of years.

Once they managed to liberate their intellects, they've immediately dived into everything that they'd been denied - art, food, enjoyable sex, politics, etc.

After no time at all, compared to how long they had been trying to figure out how letters work, they made Slaanesh happen.

The survivors have either fled back into their imaginary boxes or made new ones to hide in.

Of course, none of this is true. But if you want to believe it, be my guest.

>> No.26915954

>>26915892
Or here, if you want real fluff >>26913434

There's also the whole thing with Khaine, tears of Isha, etc. So they've kept busy.

>> No.26915965

>>26915929
not him but, that is actually very smart writing right there, I will take it

>> No.26915981

>>26915929
>hey why did you make a non-utilitarian spear ?
>but it is !
>no there is a small engraving there
>oh well, I don't really know...
>well, it's...
>I don't know seriously...
>I mean it's not bad but...
>I can't put a word on that...
>Fuck let's burn it.

>> No.26916010

>>26915954
>There's also the whole thing with Khaine, tears of Isha, etc. So they've kept busy.

Those thing happened within the War in Heaven.

>> No.26916027

>>26915929
so they were like the Saurus, not stupid, but only capable of thinking in terms of combat? for such "wise" beings the old ones were very short sighted

>> No.26916032

>>26915929
Their fall to decadence was because Khaine got tainted fighting the Nightbringer, got shunned by the other gods, took revenge on the Eldar, the connection between the gods and the Eldar was severed and the Eldar were mostly left on their own.

It's all in the Birth of Fear article.

>> No.26916046

>>26916027
it might not be short sighted so much as desperate and lacking in much prep time. The Eldar where created towards the end of the War.

>> No.26916052

>>26916010
At which point?

In the old fluff this was called the War in Heaven, as the gods fought each other, but I don't remember it being the same as the War in Heaven with Old Ones and Necrons.

>> No.26916060

>>26916046
were the Krorks made before or after the Eldar? I think it was after

>> No.26916113

>>26916052
Mid point, I presume.

Vaul forged the 99 blades for Khaine to arm himself and his followers for the battle against the Nighbringer. It's known that Khaine used Isha and her husband as hostages to seal the deal.

Also the legends say that Khaine joined forces with the C'tan and fought against his own brothers and people.

>> No.26916115

>>26916060
Would seem so. They seem to be very much geared towards guerrilla warfare (no training required, looting enemy equipment, hard to get rid of once they make planet fall, etc.) and their minimal draw on the warp would suggest the Old Ones realized the danger involved in fucking that place up.

>> No.26916150

>>26916113
>Vaul forged the 99 blades for Khaine to arm himself and his followers for the battle against the Nighbringer. It's known that Khaine used Isha and her husband as hostages to seal the deal.

Sure, Khaine's a dick, but the disconnection between the Eldar and the gods came after Khaine took his anger on the Eldar themselves.

>Also the legends say that Khaine joined forces with the C'tan and fought against his own brothers and people.

Where was this?

>> No.26916189

>>26916150
Liber Chaotica.


>Time moved onwards and I saw the rise of the brother heroes, Eldanesh and Ulthanesh, who alone, in the absence of the First Ones, could control the Warp Gods and summon them onto the physical plane. I saw them march to war against the silver-skinned Yngir, the star gods and their slaves, and I saw them summon the dread lord Khaine, The Elder’s mighty god of war, to battle with them. I saw the brothers and their god lead their children into battle time and time again, pitting Chaos spawned furies against the soulless technologies of the Yngir. But in time, the boundaries between the gods of the Aethyr and the gods of the Stars blurred, and The Elder could not tell one from another.

>In their fury, the gods of the stars and the gods of the Aethyr turned upon each other, capturing or destroying those they could, and striking bargains with those they could not. I saw the forging of the Widow-Makers, the one hundred Swords of Khaine, and I watched the betrayal as one was stolen and hidden far away. I saw the end of shining Althanesh at the hands of the god of Death. I was witness to the final battle in which Khaine was almost split asunder by the destruction of that same Death God, and I saw how the endless warfare fanned the embers of Khaine’s fury, filling Him with power and driving Him into madness. Gripped by unquenchable rage, Khaine eventually turned against The Elder and slew prince Aldanesh.

>> No.26916194

>>26916189
And Eldar Prophecy

>Khaine, Kaela Mensha ‐ the Bloody‐Handed God - War God. The eldar of Kaelor have managed to maintain a number of the central myths surrounding Khaine. However, it appears that some of the details have been lost or embroidered throughout the eons. The rune-singers of Kaelor sing of Khaine as the vanquisher of Kaelis Ra - the Yngir star-god that raged a war through the heavens.

>In that cycle (the Birth of Fear), Khaine fights alongside the great eldar hero Eldanesh and wields the immortal Blade Wraiths fashioned for him by Vaul, the Smith God. Yet the rune-singers also sing the (more reliable?) Cycle of the Avatar, in which Khaine wages war against the Children of Isha, defying Asuryan, the greatest of the eldar gods, chaining Vaul to his anvil, and joining forces with the Yngir.

>> No.26916216

>>26916052
>>26916113
No, the Tears of Isha happend before the War in Heaven. Isha's daughter, Lileath, dreamed that Khaine would be torn into a hunderd pieces by a mortal army. When Khaine heard of this he became very angry, and tried to destroy the Eldar race. Asuryan stopped this by putting a barrier between gods and men. Then Isha became very sad because she could no longer see her mortal children, and thats why Vaul (smith god) made spirit stones so that Isha could still talk to them. When Khaine found out about this he told Asuryan, who became very angry and gave Isha and her husband Kurnous as prisoners to Khaine.
This whole story is know as the Tears of Isha, and is all before the war in Heaven.

>> No.26916239

>>26915913
I'm going to guess some sort of Slaanesh daemon.

>> No.26916249

>>26916216
If what you're saying is true, then Khaine turned on the Eldar and sought their destruction two times.

Ah..Eldar..always on the receiving end.

>> No.26916283

>>26916249
One wonders what it says about the Eldar, that they spawned such a god.

Surely their inherently superior nature couldn't be flawed at its core?

>> No.26916287

>>26916249
well its from an old Eldar codex (I dont have the newest one).
Also, could you remind me when this second time Khaine sought the destruction of the Eldar race is?

>> No.26916305

>>26916283
they are leftover weapons trying to work out what to do since they failed at their job, the problem is that the old ones constantly told them they were perfect

>> No.26916310

>>26916287

(>>26916150)
(>>26916189)

Here.

>> No.26916319
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>>26913468
>newer fluff takes precedence over older fluff

Good Goy, continue to buy our glorious newer Codex's and fluff manuals.

It's for your own good after all!

>> No.26916327

>>26916310
thanks

>> No.26916329

>>26916310
Oppps miss clicked

(>>26916194) here too.

Khaine sought their destrction in the ''Tears of Isha'' and again in the ''Birth of Fear''.

>> No.26916380

>>26915603
It's not so much 'everything is canon' as '40k has no canon'.

http://40k.wikia.com/wiki/40k_Wiki:Canon

>> No.26916403

>>26916216
But the Eldar were created to fight the War in Heaven against the Necrons. So how can they and their gods have existed before were needed?

>>26916189
That only gives the order of events, but not when they happened. It says "eventually turned against" not that he immediately got angry and killed Eldanesh. It could have taken him a long time to reach that point.

And didn't he and Eldanesh have like long campaigns against multitude of enemies that weren't the Necrons before this?

And didn't Khaine kill Eldanesh because he refused to serve Khaine above all others? Wasn't this sort of communication between gods and mortals forbidden, which is why Isha and The-Fucks-His-Name got into trouble with?

>> No.26916427

>>26916403
Uhm i dont know where you got that from. According to my Eldar Codex, which i believe is this second newest, the War in Heaven is the fight between Vaul and Khaine because Vaul didnt deliver 100 swords to Khaine.
I don't think they changed that in the new codex, that would be a very very major change.

>> No.26916461

>>26914989

Well seeing as the eye of terror is on the western side of the galazy and nids are attacking from the south and east... they haven't had much chance yet

>> No.26916489

>>26915167
The tyranid codexs suggest that hivemind uses its own willpower and might over anything warp related.

Stop trying to connect EVERYTHING to chaos, tyranids are completely alien

>> No.26916508

>>26915328
If this was true... why slow down with fighting another galaxy? Run around it, also this was suggested ONCE as a theory. It was also stated tyranids had consumed 12 galaxys already... although im sure that has since been retconned, I highly doubt they are running.

>> No.26916510

>>26915432
You realize Heretics make up like half of humanity right?
>moron.

>> No.26916518

>>26916489
The Hivemind is Warp related. Like the Waaagh!

Chaos controls the Warp. So it's inescapable. Everything goes back to Chaos!

>> No.26916529

>>26915603
Looks like someone doesn't like other peoples 40k version of their universe overlapping with theirs oh what do we call that...
Catcha: unsocial KRelIy

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>>26911108
The Hell! The Crons are getting their own giant robots? As if Spyders and oversize centipedes weren't enough...although the thing is sweet.

Plus anyone sees that after the6th edition hit the shelves, slowly every faction is getting their own giant robots?

Tau got the Riptide (that may be a Gundam), Eldar got the Wraith Knight (which is a Wraithlord on steroids), Grey Knights got their Dreadknight (which is irredeemably retarded). Not to mention Chaos' Lord of Skulls (which is a robo Berserker on tracks and with guns).

40K is becoming more /m/, though I don't think it's a bad thing. Awkward, but not bad.

>> No.26916591

>>26916529
Headcanon is not canon, no matter how much you believe in it.

>> No.26916596

>>26916427
War in Heaven is also the war between the Old Ones and Necrons.

>> No.26916599

>>26916518
Except 3rd 4th and 5th edition nids codex all suggest that they are totally alien and do not use the warp and actively disrupt making it hard for anyone to do anything warp related

>> No.26916601

>>26916403
I need to sit down and figure this out.

Because unlike the fluff of other races, Eldar fluff makes is confusing. It's like its trying intentionally to be as confusing as possible.

>> No.26916625

>>26916596
There must have been two Wars in Heaven i guess.

>> No.26916650

>>26916599
It states that they use the Warp in an alien way that's unfathomable to the races of the galaxy. So they do use it.

Not only are the Tyranids are described as Psychic (All pskers are warp related), their warp usage caused the Shadow in the Warp.

Also there is the fact that the Tyranids flee from Warp Storms. Warp Storms mostly happen in the Warp and are undetectable in real space. So the Tyranids have no connection in the Warp, they wouldn't avoid them at all.

>> No.26916655

>>26916599
Nah, they even have a power called warp blast. They only disrupt it by using so much of it, there's so many of them that they block the others out.

>> No.26916672

>>26916625
And the two War in Heaven intersect

The Eldar have War in Heaven records which mention Necron Overlords by name.

>> No.26916678

>>26916650
So if the Tyranids*

>> No.26916681

>>26916599
Stop taking crazy pills before you read codices.

They definitely use the warp. Except where a human psyker might burst into daemons, thehivemind is more orderly.

It doesn't have to jump through hoops. It's already in the warp. It just funnels the power through a nid and is done with it.

Also, they don't disrupt the warp in the way you're thinking. They aren't anti-warp, they're just too damn loud. The warp is basically filled with noise pollution when nids are around. That's why it's such a pain for normal psykersto do shit.

>> No.26916717

>>26916650
>this faggot again

Warp storms are a realspace phenomenon. If there is warp storm happening, you can see it. They do not flee them, they avoid them like any other sane creature because all that random energy just is not healthy.

>> No.26916720

>>26913700

This is the greatest contribution to the entire fucking thread.

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>>26916717
YOU.ARE.WRONG.

And I am right as usual.

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>>26916780
>I'm so right I can't even see my own image proving me wrong

>> No.26916851

>>26916811
>You
>Warp storms are a realspace phenomenon. If there is warp storm happening, you can see i

>Source says most Warp storms are undetectable and unseen by anyone other than pyskers
>Source says that most Warp Storms happen in the Warp and stay there

Really? really?

>> No.26916870

>>26916582
no that's a conversion

>> No.26916875

>>26916851
I'm just gonna let you go on believing. The amount of fail here is delicious.

You seem a tad too irked as it is, really.

>> No.26916876

>>26916319
That's how fluff has always worked in all genres

>> No.26916894

>>26916851
So lets review the facts here.

-Tyranids can perceive Warp Storms which are normally undetectable and unseen in Real Space.
-Tyranids flee from Warp Storm despite not needing the Warp to travel.

All of this shows that the Tyranids fear the Warp and what lays in its depths even if has not crossed into this reality. The question is why?

>> No.26916905

>>26913379
So the C'tan fucked the old ones than the Newcrons fuck the C'tan? Man the old ones were scrubs

>> No.26916914

>>26916870
Pity. Still awesome.

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26916918

Am I the only who thinks that sensor pod between the legs and the scorpion thingie looked like a bit like a cat's head?

all wargames need a Mew-Mew-Mecha faction.

>> No.26916921

>>26916894
>flee
>fear

Stop that.

>> No.26916923

>>26916582
Tau got the Gundam (that may be a Riptide), Eldar got the Wraithlord on steroids, Grey Knights got irredeemably retarded. Not to mention Chaos' Lord of Skulls (which is a remote control toy for twelve year olds).

Fix'd that shit

>> No.26916931

>>26916875
>You seem a tad too irked as it is, really.Of course, I not used to dealing with the blind, illiterate, and trolls!

>> No.26916945

>>26916894
They can still affect real space, even if they are not easily perceived, like radiation, hive mind is smart enough to avoid.

>> No.26916951

>>26916921
Flee and fear is all I get.

They have Warpless FTL and yet they still avoid Warp Storms. The reasons for this are obvious.

>> No.26916959

>>26916931
Fucking hell. Simmer down, man. You are quantum mad right now.

>> No.26916969

>>26916945
In rare cases. The minority of Warp Storms do.

The majority of Warp Storm do not cross to Real Space.

>> No.26916974

>>26916959
Being right is serious business!

>> No.26916994

>>26916951
I will walk around a pit of radioactive waste.

I do not really fear it. I'm not fleeing from it. But it's radioactive waste. It is not healthy.

>> No.26917019

>>26916994
You would walk around something that has no way of hurting you?

That implies extreme caution boarding on fear.

>> No.26917021

>>26916969
The major warp storms are the ones we hear about, though. The ones that fuck the materium up. Those are what the nids will circle around. Because it can hurt them. If it's just aminor hiccup, warp-only, they'll plow straight on through. They're safe in the materium.

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>>26913716

>Daigo

The galaxy would be a great, big Street Fighter melee of epic proportions.

>> No.26917119

>>26917021
>>26917021
>The major warp storms are the ones we hear about, though

We hear about and read about Warp Storms in general everywhere in the fluff. They mostly come in the Warp-only variety and they screw up Warp travel and pyskers.

>Those are what the nids will circle around. Because it can hurt them. If it's just aminor hiccup, warp-only, they'll plow straight on through. They're safe in the materium.

Bullshit.

The Daemon Codex excerpt above says Warp Storms period. Implying the Tyranids avoid Warp Storms in general.

>> No.26917175

>>26917119
Apply some sense to it. It's 40k, so err on the side of go big or go home. Are nids avoiding every-single-damned warp breeze? Or are they seeing the hole to noeverywhere that spits daemons and death and deciding that it's more efficient to not not touch that?

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>>26916319

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>>26917175
I think they're afraid.

>> No.26917274

>>26917022
>the great crusade didn't happen because the world is locked in an unending fight
>no one dies, because everything is parried
>all other combatants get hyped and flip their shit whenever parries are going on, resulting in a constant uproar of hype

>> No.26917276

>>26917175
>Apply some sense to it.

I am.

Since the Hivemind draws its power and communicates through the Warp, it's obvious that Warp Storms would screw that all up.

>> No.26917304

Everything outside the galaxy is Tyranids.

>> No.26917352

>>26917304
Nope it's orks ya git

>> No.26917387

>>26917276
Apply more. The Shadow blots out the warp. Unless the storm is a real hellbender, it will be overridden as well.

>> No.26917412

>>26917352
I don't believe orks are confirmed to be outside the galaxy. They're all over the galaxy, but not outside it.

>> No.26917420

>>26916672
Where? Also do we know it's the one with Eldar gods fighting each other and not the other one?

>> No.26917444

>>26917387
It doesn't.

The Shadow in the Warp would be harder to pull, if the Warp is raging around them.

>> No.26917455

>>26917420
Carnac Novels.

Starbane pull up records his Craftworld kept since the War in Heaven. Nearly all the Necron SCs appear in it.

>> No.26917459

>>26917412
Some of the oldest fluff said probes found nothing but orks outside of the milky way

>> No.26917467

>>26917459
Nope, the probe is never said to have gotten out of the milky way.

>> No.26917468

>>26917459
We seen the fluff.

The probe never was mentioned to have left the galaxy.

>> No.26917472

>>26917444
Only if it's raging enough to spill into realspace.

>> No.26917487

>>26917459
Oh yes, the probe that was still inside the galaxy. Hm.

>> No.26917495

>>26917459
All it says is that it's the farthest out probe the Mechanicus ever sent. It's probably out at the Halo Stars

>> No.26917503

>>26917467
>>26917468
Where is everything is nids coming from then? Because the chaos books mention life thruout the universe

>> No.26917515

>>26917503
>Where is everything is nids coming from then?

Outside the galaxy.

>Because the chaos books mention life thruout the universe

Yeah, doesn't mean it's Orks.

>> No.26917521

>>26917175
can nids incorporate deamonic mass into their hive?

>> No.26917526

>>26917503
Nids are confirmed extragalactic. They've been around a gew blocks out there.

>> No.26917536

>>26917515

Where there's a fight there's an ork.

For all we know, the nids are just weak, autistic (no WAAAGH field), mutant orks from another galaxy.

>> No.26917537

>>26917521
What? Of course not. Daemons are made out of spess magic, not anything physical.

>> No.26917549

>>26917536
Orks have never been said to be out of the galaxy, they were created in the milkyway.

>> No.26917555

>>26917537
Then why would the Tyranids attack Daemon worlds?

>> No.26917559

>>26913190
Now you know why Warp travel is so shitty and imprecise.

>> No.26917583

>>26917555
Because the world is not made of daemons, it just has daemons on it.

>> No.26917595

>>26917549

Does it specify the milkyway anywhere? Or does it just say they were created by the old gits?

>> No.26917616

>>26917583
But the earth, air, water, and life on those worlds are infused with the Chaos and directly controlled by the Daemons.

Hmm...

>> No.26917618

>>26917595
They were created by the Old Ones after their intergalactic pathways were destroyed and they were stuck in the milky way.

>> No.26917643

>>26917616
Twisted by chaos =/= made of chaos.

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>>26917583
What if a world was made of deamons? like a slaanesh orgy on a hive world got out of hand and gained an orbit?

Anyway, any slaanesh deamon world would be covered in semen, are you saying the nids like to swallow and incorporate literally megatons of sperm?

>> No.26917712

>>26917643
Regardless.

They are consuming tons of Chaos taint with each gulp. Can't be healthy.

>> No.26917740

>>26917712
It's probably not, there was a bunch of Nurgids on a space hulk because they ate an evil crystal.

>> No.26917764

>>26917712
They don't consume the taint, though. If tyranids reach the point where they are consuming the world, the daemons have all gotten bored and gone elsewhere. The residual chaos energies will fade back into the warp.

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Nids are bitches, Chaos shall consume them.

>> No.26917975

>>26917420
>Also do we know it's the one with Eldar gods fighting each other and not the other one?

Ah...forgot.

Outer Reach and Necron Codex mentions Necrons characters dueling Eldar Gods and winning

>> No.26918131

And people say the marines books are wank. Crons books were always masturbating bullshit

And I love it!

>> No.26918997

>>26917659
>not seeing all that Tyranid r34
>implying they wouldn't take the form of giant sexy humanoids females who wouldn't suck and rub their cum on their planetary sized tyranid titties, ass, and body, based solely on the assimilated perverted minds of the human worlds they have consumed.
Nice try

>> No.26919730

>>26915655
>>Tyranids are known to engage on cannibalism
>Within a single Hive Fleet? Unheard of.
I'll take "How do tyranids leave a planet" for 500, Alex.

>> No.26920712

>>26917975
>Necron Codex mentions Necrons characters dueling Eldar Gods and winning

Where?

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