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25767208 No.25767208 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

We can argue forever about what the best elves are, but I think it's fairly obvious which the worst ones are.

>those glowing eyes
>that ear angle/length
>those retarded eyebrows
>that "let me tell you how MY elves are different from Tolkien's elves" design mentality
>those fucking retarded eyebrows


>> No.25767219

Actually I quite enjoyed Warcraft's elves. Every race of them.

>> No.25767234

They got nothing on Drow and I even kinda like Drown a bit.

>> No.25767241

I really don't like the elven design in The Elder Scrolls games, any of them.

>> No.25767265

Blood elves were actually really awesome. Psychotic vampiric magic addicts willing to commit any evil to sustain their addiction - also they fucking hated the scourge and were militant in their desire to destroy them - going so far as to steal the powers of a living god and infuse their whole military organization with holy powers to prevent further loss of their own kind.

The whole redemption storyline was awful though. I liked being a paladin of hate and spite. But the alliance kiddies who moved over to the new pretty race were all "WAAAH I DONT WANT TO PLAY AN EVIL RACE, I WANT TO BE PERFECT AND FLAWLESS AND PRETTY UNLIKE THE REST OF THE UGLY HORDE, THIS FACTION SUCKS"

>> No.25767286

>that "let me tell you how MY elves are different from Tolkien's elves" design mentality

They're kind of a lot like Tolkien's Elves though

Which I guess is ironic

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>not liking dunmer, the best, most unique, and most organically fleshed out elves in any setting ever

>> No.25767299

The racism and narcissism present in the original belf paladin questline was amazing. "You are not a blood elf, you are not one of us - I will not help you"

>> No.25767301

my you're a tall one

>> No.25767312

Amen to this. BC blood elfs pre-redemption were just totally awesome.

>> No.25767330

god I'd love to BE a female one though

>> No.25767335

>I wish I was at home playing video games
>the music is too loud
>my feet hurt
>I'm hungry

>> No.25767337

I agree with him. Warcraft has a lot of awesome stuff going on, unfortunately there's just a lot of upfront retardation that makes the awesome stuff hard to find.

>> No.25767397

check out these doublets

>> No.25767398
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Draenei superior.

>> No.25767403

Warcraft 3 lore: Fantastic

WOW lore: worst in the genre

>> No.25767409

You can't be serious.

>> No.25767423

Once upon a time blizzard was actually pretty good at storytelling. BW was a pretty good example of this. Certainly among the best of the medium. Then they dumped that for massappeal and storylines even a retarded chimpanzee with a lobotomy could get.

Bloodelves have flashes of that going on. Some of their aspects were pretty awesome. Just everything around them started to suck.

>> No.25767442

Dwarves are the worst elves.

>> No.25767448

And then he gets stabbed. Being Nerevar is suffering.

>> No.25767453

I'm going to lump Frozen Throne in with WoW because that was pretty much fucking everything up to make way for WoW. The very idea that an entire race renamed themselves to Blood Elves just to be edgy is facepalm worthy.

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>> No.25767480

How original. Dwarves are the shittiest of the standard fantasy races. TES is so much better off for replacing them with telepathic autistic elves.

>> No.25767496

As far "being an Elf" a Dwarf ranks top on not being a good Elf, yeah I can agree.

>> No.25767529
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Here are your options Stop talking shit about Dwarves Leave thread

>> No.25767537

Rolled 96

Urist is THE generic Dorf name though

>> No.25767548

As an Elven emmissary of peace, love understanding and tree hugging I beg of you to stop talking smack over our beloved Mountain brethen and leave the sturdy fellas alone.

Signed a Tree Fucker

>> No.25767551

It wasn't the entire race, just a specific faction of them. And it wasn't just for the sake of being edgy. I'm no fan of Blood Elf lore but get your facts straight before bitching.

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>> No.25767568

I do find the "control" aspect of the Blood Elves interesting, as the arcane golems that patrol Silvermoon sing praises to their current ruler (Formerly Kael, now Lor'themar), and the cluster of elves in the market square who cry for a druidic output are mind-controlled to servitude.
They've also got a gnome sweatshop.

>> No.25767680

Mer or bust for me. The elves from Hellboy gets a special mention though.

>> No.25767681

It was (mostly) a (military) faction loyal to Prince Kael'Thas who decided that they would be known as the Blood Elves in mourning, remembrance, and as an oath of vengeance sworn against the scourge for the atrocities Arthas comitted.

Arthas wiped out something like 70% of all the living high elves in his march against silvermoon, and his corruption of the sunwell destroyed the motivation to live for prettymuch all of the rest of the elves. So they rallied around the only thing they had - Vengeance. The alliance treated the elves like shit, the magic addiction that was consuming them and the loss of so much generally destroyed their will to live.

Seeking an answer Kael'Thas met Illidan, who offered them demonic fel magicks to slake their addiction (they would literally try to suck the magical energy out of *anything* to sustain their thirst) and a chance to strike at the scourge. Eventually they captured a Naaru and started eating its magic as well.

The only thing they really had going as a motivation to not lay down and die was sheer, utter hatred. They made the druchii from warhammer fantasy look nice.

>> No.25767702

shut up orst, we know you are just a dwarf on stilts

>> No.25767706

Because they're the only Horde race that is pretty according to the modern definition, only people with a personality disorder opt to play blelfs. If you play Horde, pay attention to bad players, and you'll see that an inordinate number are blelfs.

Something similar prevails with the Alliance. Sure, there are race/class combinations that aren't pretty by modern standards, but most of them are. Hence the reason the Alliance is full of people with a personality disorder. They must, at all times, be pretty. People like that join the Alliance in droves and a sign up for the Horde as blelfs.

/tg/ sees this all the time when they play tabletop games. They're the ones who always, always play beautiful, immortal, superior elves. Their entire in-character chat is about how superior and beautiful they are. Every time, in every game.

It stops being infuriating and just becomes really sad when you're playing a tabletop game. In WoW, you can't see what they look like IRL. Playing D&D you can.

>> No.25767711

Dwarves can suck it, chief.
Which is funny, because dwarves are exactly like elves in every way except they whine more, accomplish less, and are a hell of a lot less humble. They're both dying races, but dwarves are dying from their own greed and stupidity whereas elves are dying because they defied the fucking gods.

Elves are badass, dwarves are shit.

>> No.25767714

>(Formerly Kael, now Lor'themar)
Oh god, this was the worst.

"Hey guys, we've got a faction leader who has emotional depth, an interesting personality, and morally grey but ultimately justifiable actions. Let's make him go insane so players can kill him and replace him with a nameless faceless random elf from a comic book nobody read!"

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>> No.25767732

Too bad it has a dick

>> No.25767757
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>one similarity

>> No.25767766

Too bad?

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>> No.25767833

You would have to be an idiot to not see how alike they are.

>> No.25767845

Don't ruin this for me.

>> No.25767856

i dont see a dick

>> No.25767892
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The Mer are the worst elves.

>everything that's not a human or an animal person is a fucking elf
>the orcs are elves
>the dwarves are elves
>that race of humans? Actually magically gifted half-elves
>all the elves are atrociously ugly in just about every incarnation, just to make them appear "alien" and strange

May as well just call it The Elfder Scrolls

>> No.25767909

Here's a NSFW link of that character, chief.

She summons it due to some blah blah blah succubus blah blah ritual happenstance blah.

>> No.25767921

No choice but to kill dear leader Kael.
A true elf allways has a choice.
Commit suduko

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>> No.25767940

>proud and xenophobic
>live in forests
>quick and lithe
>forge light metals like silver and mithril
>military mostly uses bows and swords, lightly armored
>Most known for their hunters and god-like leaders
>focus on their divine heritage over their earthly heritage (their self worth comes mostly from their divine creation)

>proud and xenophobic
>live underground
>sturdy and strong
>forge heavy metals like brass and iron
>military mostly uses axes and hammers
>most known for their master smiths and deep mines
>focus on their earthly heritage over their divine heritage (their self worth comes from their ancestral line)

>> No.25767952

>>the orcs are elves
You act like this is an even remotely new or novel concept.

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>he doesn't know tolkein orcs are elves

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Altmer ARE pretty fucking hideous.

The rest are fine.

>> No.25768002

You mean:
>Hey guys, let's fuck every horde faction leader and either get them killed and replace them with retarded versions or make them go crazy and then get them killed by the players

>> No.25768010 [DELETED] 

But they were literally the dwarves and gnomes mashed together in an elf's body.

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Dunmer are the most aesthetically pleasing fictional race i've ever seen, both their bodies and their stuff

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I love traditional Dwarves, but I also love the Dwemer, they're pretty awesome too.

>> No.25768037


I wish Dwarven Centurions weren't such goddamn pushovers

>> No.25768041

>being anything but fallen elves

>> No.25768055

Vvardenfell is such a weird fucking place.

>> No.25768063

I know. Isn't it great?

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That's why it's the best Elder Scrolls.

>> No.25768083

That's what made Morrowind great, and Oblivion/Skyrim not able to live up. And I say that having loved all three of them.

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The weirdest.
The best.
I guarantee it.

>> No.25768114

>>that "let me tell you how MY elves are different from Tolkien's elves" design mentality
Are you actually complaining about them not being generic enough?

>> No.25768132

>light metals

>heavy metals

You need to go back to school.

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Go to bed, Garrosh.

>> No.25768207

There is a fine line between original and fucking ridiculous, and blizzard not only crossed it, but left it back at the horizon.

>> No.25768239

i think the way they were designed was simply taking one of the elf stereotypes to its logical conclusion

too bad you dont like it, i suppose, but you dont have to act like your opinion is objective

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Blizzard is fine. It's not the best setting out there by far, but it's fine. Acceptable fantasy with a little crazy sci-fi influenced stuff for flavor. Nobody is forcing you to..What, read the novels? Whatever.

Just look at something else. Go play a game you enjoy, it's good for your heart.

>> No.25768246

>that ear angle/length
I don't like you, and I think you should leave.
Seriously, absurdly long pointed ears are my fetish. Fuck that vulcan ear bullshit. If they don't pass the top of the head, I don't even bother to show up.

>> No.25768251

I love to see a mix of magic and actual technology, the combination of steam, clockwork and magic that makes Dwemer stuff so unique and interesting.

Of course, they have to all be fucking dead and not improving while everyone else is perfectly content not advancing in the fields of technology.

>> No.25768263

Kael'thas was right

>> No.25768275

Actually, Blizzard is pretty terrible. The only thing they excel at is raping all their old lore. D3, SC2, and WoW are all pretty terrible.

>> No.25768280
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I love me some nice, long elf ears, but I still think Blizzard takes it too far.

>> No.25768287

The better to nibble on while cuddling, right anon?

>> No.25768295

>while everyone else is perfectly content not advancing in the fields of technology.
Which is why they have entire fucking schools devoted to studying the dwemer ruins and figuring out just how the fuck all their shit worked and how it still does to this day.

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So was Illidan.

>> No.25768329

their style for wow is all exaggerated like that, i don't like it either, but it would actually be worse if they suddenly decided to go halfways with it (specially if it was just for their elves)

>> No.25768343

What's up with the HIDF in this thread? Worgen take your lunch money, sprout?

>> No.25768364

True. I hate WoW designs in general, though.

>> No.25768381


you wouldnt be able to see it otherwise with wows shitty graphics, its a trade off

>> No.25768477


You say that like it's a bad thing.

>> No.25768487

So what's it mean when people complain about "let me tell you how MY elves are different from Tolkien's elves"? What are some examples beyond just names, what makes people complain about them?

>> No.25768503


>> No.25768521
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Get out of here, xxLeegolazxx ! And take xSephorothx with you!

>> No.25768552

Didn't Garrosh get corrupted? I stopped playing two months into Cata

>> No.25768588

I just don't like the cartoony designs of WoW and WC3 in general and especially the way it carried over into Diablo 3 and SC2.

>> No.25768624


That was stupid and didn't explain shit.

>> No.25768628

the current end-tier raid is Orgrimmar with all the playable races united just to kill one fucking orc, who is now inexplicably giant and can take blows to his knees from world-destroying epic god-swords for 10 minutes.

Yes, endgame bosses now take 10 minutes

>> No.25768636

you read really fucking fast

>> No.25768654

I quit before wow went full furry.
When teh hord started gunning for kael'thas I defected back to real life.
So no wolfs have ever wolfed my wolf, congradulations on your pandas.

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Sure thing [ORG]XxXH3LL5SR3AMXxX[420].

Basically yes, but Blizzard is trying to avoid the c-word. Long story short: He goes full Hitler and starts segregating the Horde because orc master race, then goes full Spain on Pandaria, where he finds the heart of an Old God. Despite getting their ass whipped consistently for the past several years, the Alliance with the help of Horde rebels and - of course - Thrall, come to kill Garrosh in Orgrimmar. He gets so fucking butthurt that everyone hates him that he douses himself in Old God guts and, well, pic related.

This is being billed as the major game-changer for the Alliance after losing pretty much everything since WoW began, but in reality it's another Caverns of Time vehicle for more Thrall worship.

>> No.25768678

Yeah, he's garbage, but then you aren't supposed to like him because of the twist he's corrupted and a raid boss nownot unlike the troll king/s, blood elf king, etc

No, but the handful of characters I liked are either dead or worthless. Seriously, I hate the horde leaders at present, with the possible exception of lor'themar, mostly because his nickname is 'lol-themar' and he hasn't done anything I'm aware of, which means he hasn't been ruined yet.

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>any year
>consulting TV Tropes

>> No.25768715

not only has Lor'themar not done anything in WOW yet, he didn't even really do anything in the comic book he's from.

Well, i say comic book, but it was manga. Yes, Blizzard decided to make a manga.

>> No.25768723
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>fucking really

If hes made warchief again I will firebomb blizzard's studio

>> No.25768729


I've found tons of stuff I've loved since then on that site. Books, moveis, RPGs, you name it.

>> No.25768736

>not liking Vol'jin

>> No.25768748

>implying I play Wow anymore
>being this mad that Horde isn't getting everything it wants
>caring about faction conflict anymore

Yeah, I'll drink to that. WoW's lore has gone down the drain, as has been said. I just find it funny how defensive former Horde are getting in here. I thought you guys hated Garrosh anyway.

Funny you should mention that, they're actually setting Lor'Themar up to be the new Warchief.

>> No.25768756

Ha ha, awesome. He's never done anything in anything.

That's why I like him. He's my safety-pick. The only people he's ever offended are the ones who can't figure out why he's not doing anything.

Just hangs out in Silvermoon with his bros, being weirdly tall.

>> No.25768760

>Not liking the strong womyn who dont need no man

Oh wait, shes gone full retard in the panda expansion hasn't she?

>> No.25768812

I still don't know if she actually planned the frostgate or whatever it's called, or if she was genuinely betrayed by varimathras.

If it was her doing, 10/10 leader, would waifu. If not, she's the shittiest of all leaders.

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They stated it at the very beginning when they revealed Cupcake Adventures in Fat Pandaland, but the public outcry was so immense, they decided to drop the act and started hinting strongly with Vol'jin.

Of course, I think we all know who's going to eb the true warchief at the end of all this.


Picture oh so related

>> No.25768825

>jew horde


>> No.25768830


In what form would you friends play the Morrowind these days?

Considering that I do have a great deal of patience for bad game design (Which I heard morrowind has the opposite of), and not a lot of patience for bad game play, would vanilla morrowind still be worth the slog, or is there a mod or eight I should be looking into

>> No.25768837

lel, if anything galleydix will side with Garrosh till it looks like a poor business decision. Remains to be seen if Thrall will make the same mistake twice.

>> No.25768847

Honestly I think Rexxar would have been the most appealing new warchief, he has the support of the stonemaul(?) ogres to kick out the old kor'kron, the tauren respect him, the orcs like him, the trolls like him, elves would respect him and undead would deal with it.

>> No.25768849

I liked Vol'jin, until he never left the throne room to do anything except tap kegs, like say, during all those times the troll kingdoms went to war instead of being persuaded to join the horde and kill all humans.

She went full retard before. I fucking LOVED Sylvanas, the insane zombie queen with utterly loyal armies of giant frankenstein monsters and somehow has a fucking demon king bodyguard. And then the 'master of strategy' somehow missed:
>Demon king plots TWO fucking coups while standing ten feet from her.
>Half her people aren't loyal after all, somehow missed that
>Did fuck all during that dungeon where she wants to attack the lich king, gets owned in one hit, and then decides to break down ice walls with her bow while the fire mage has to kill the fuckton of zombies for her.
>lost power and frankenstein monsters to orc king no one likes

>> No.25768862

Depends on what you mean by bad gameplay. A lot of morons don't understand what RPG means, and think that because they're facing the enemy they should always hit, even if they have low skill and 0 fatigue.

Graphics mods are nice but the only one i use is view distance.

It all depends on how much you like reading books, as Morrowind is really just a library simulator.

>> No.25768891

Holy fuck. You're right.

>No one likes him
>Every goblin in org was buttfucked by this guy repeatedly
>Every pc goblin wants revenge
>Does not exist in game
He'll be the next horde leader to become a raid boss

Holy fuck you're right.

>> No.25768902

>opposite of bad game design

>> No.25768931


I'm going to take a wild fucking guess and say that you're referring to combat. Which isn't design, that's gameplay.

>> No.25768941

>gameplay isn't designed it appears from thin air
Try again, Morrowdrone

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>Lol'themar to be the new Warchief
>Eyebrow wax sales in Kalimdor at an all time high

>Account resubscribed

>> No.25768965


Get some fatigue and weapon skill. Hitting 100% of the time is for action games, not RPGs.

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>> No.25768982

And crack is amazing, but that doesn't make it good for the body.

>> No.25768987


Sit down, /v/, you've had a little bit too much to drink.

I haven't even played the game, faggot. Design and game mechanics are two different things.

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Dear lord, it never occurred to me the wolves and pandas both share a faction who's capital city is so close to goldshire...

>> No.25769011

And having no idea why you're missing, or what you could possibly do about it is only good for frustration, not for RPGs.

>> No.25769040

If WoW was written like the setting used to be, she planned it and pinned the blame on Putress (a sycophant with a god complex) and Varmiathras (no longer of much use now that she has a new plague). She's only benefited from using the new plague, and she's straight up pretending she will never use it whenever a faction leader gets scared and upset with her--doesn't mean she isn't using it, she's just coaxing people.

But nah, she's probably gone full retard. I stopped playing a month into Cata but I try to keep up on occasion with the lore. I don't know why. Shut up.

>> No.25769050

I am now in love with Crustacean-stilt-people
Please send link to author now

>> No.25769093

>no idea why you're missing

1. RNG, it's a thing. For christ's sake you're on /tg/
2. Fatigue
3. Weapon skill

>> No.25769103

Sylvanas has always been full retard. Even back in WC3 she did stuff like blab to Arthas about the keys to the elfgate, or gloating over her assassination attempt so that Kel'thuzad had time to rescue the guy.

Fuck, the whole reason the Forsaken joined the Horde was because she dicked over the Alliance before realizing the Scourge was going to smash her if they were all alone.

Even if you figure she set Varimathras up for a fall, that sure as shit doesn't excuse the way she let Godfrey (a guy from a nation she just invaded) get behind her with a loaded gun.

Sylvanas is lucky she's undead, because she constantly redefines 'too dumb to breathe.'

>> No.25769142

H-how dare you insult muh Dark Lady?!
>inb4 SIDF

>> No.25769143

Doesn't she send one of her death knight... generals to get tortured forever because he still remembers compassion from that time he was alive or something?

>> No.25769189

I've seen lot's of terrible tauren too though

>> No.25769238

It's infection from the Allies who rolled BElfs and stayed because the horde wasn't fully herp-derp-tarded compared to the massive hordes of 'pretty and superior allies'.

>> No.25769305


I liked the fact that Sylvannis wasn't behind the wrathgate. I'm tired of the WoW writing team schizophrenically jumping back and forth between her being a tragic psuedo-messiah and a moustache twirling villain. PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT.

Preferably the former because I'm really tired of seeing threads about how the Forsaken are pure evil and it makes no sense for the Horde to put up with them when if you actually pay attention to the god damn game its pretty clear they're not.

Also, the new angle they have for her about her being so selfish and so afraid of eternal damnation that she's going to be the best ruler ever and make the Forsaken the strongest possible kingdom able to survive any hardship because they're her adoring meatshield is a neat idea.

>> No.25769310

Nah this was pre-bc onward seen a lot of shitty taurens and forsaken. Forsaken I can understand but I was alway puzzled by how absolutely shitty a lot of the taurens I met played.

>> No.25769425

>Hate belfs
>Practically no idea who Lor'Themar is
>Play through 5.1 quests and 5.2 quests
>Garrosh is a fucking racist and I won't stand for it-an
>I fucking hate being in charge but I'm the best elf for the job-an
>Fighting on the front lines but not because he's a glory hound-an
>Compromising first with angry CORRUPTION Jaina-an
Lor'Themar is a fucking bro

I would like to see him as the new warchief now cause he's a cool dude and I can see it being funny how reluctant we would be about it.

Suck though that the shittiest race palyerwise has one of the coolest leaders.

>> No.25769427

>Preferably the former because I'm really tired of seeing threads about how the Forsaken are pure evil
And I'm tired of seeing threads about how they're just misunderstood.

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>> No.25769635


Fair enough. Frankly I hate most "pro-Forsaken" conversations almost as much as I hate anti-Forsaken conversations because both of them tend to miss the entire point.

But either way, conversations about how they're a pure evil race and should be removed from the game or given their own faction or thrown out of the Horde or other equally stupid ideas are counter-productive because we know that shits not going to happen, so they annoy me a little more.

Any conversation that moves forward from a premise in which "unless changes which are never going to be made are made, the story is shit," inevitably pisses me off. God forbid we try to be constructive and think of ways to fix a subpar plot that are reasonable instead of retarded.

>> No.25769691

Space pilgrims that are the only remaining holy-professing individuals of a race corrupted by the cosmic BBEG of the setting, who subsist on nothing but their faith to the Light on their long exodus while escaping the demonic hordes?

draenei is a pretty cook guy. eh kills demons and doesn't afraid of anything

Although I heard that technically, the draenei female model wasn't actually finished by the time TBC was released, but Blizzard never actually fixed it.

>> No.25769697

Wait, shit, I'm missing Lor'themar stuff in the new mists patches?

Anything good, or did you pretty much cover everything?

>> No.25769718

He has the whole, "your prince went fucking crazy after sucking a million demon dicks for their sweet fel energy so don't be a fuck up like him" deal hanging over his head, so he's trying to basically be the opposite of Kael'thas while retaining the dignity and pride of his people.

I hate blood elves as a playable race because of the players they attract and the fact that they're over 50% of the Horde on almost any given server, but I think Lor'themar is probably the greatest one of them.

Valen the Prophet continues to sit on his hands until doomsday comes.

>> No.25769741

To Lor'thermar's credit, Blizzard wrote short stories on every faction leader after WotLK. In Lor'thermar's story, he knew he was the most irrelevant of the Horde leaders, especially since he wasn't Kael'thas. Also
>I never asked for this.jpg
Eventually, he gets over it and asserts himself as blood elf leader and aims to make them relevant again.

>> No.25769795

The thing about blood elves is that they are pragmatists by nature. They don't care how something gets done as long as it gets done. When the Sunwell went out, they scrambled to find a new source of power, hence the demonic influence that turned their eyes green. Ever since, they'd been struggling to find a proper source of energy and see if Kael'thas found anything when he left for Outland.

Then the Sunwell reignited itself, and yeah, that was that. Now that the blood elves' number one problem (lack of a power source) was solved, they can move on to other things, like picking up the pieces of Quel'thalas and fighting to remain relevant.

>> No.25769831

>Entering pacts with demons
This flies in the face of everything the draenei stand for, but hey, who am I to get in the way of cheesecake?

>> No.25769839

This elf hate is all well and good but let's get to the real meat and potatoes what the fuck is up with the Zandalar Trolls man? Weren't they total bro's before?

>> No.25769872

But isn't that what the Eredar are?

>> No.25769880
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My least favorite elves were probably in Dragon Age. I can tell they wanted to do something different with the whole racism thing doing "elves inferior to humans" mentality. However, that really killed any interest I had in them because they just kind of existed and did nothing of note other than try to survive. Also, all of them whined a lot instead of trying to fix their situation. Bwah it's hopeless! Feel bad for us persecuted elves!

They were so bad I stopped feeling bad for them. Then again, I just hated that shit game anyways. I'd still take WC elves over the DA ones any day. Though I must say, those wood elves in the forest were pretty okay and more tribal bad ass. The big problem is that they are very 1 dimensional to the point it's embarrassing.

>> No.25769898

For what it's worth, their elven ears are exceptionlly expressive. They visibly droop when sad, for example.

>> No.25769909


It was kind of hilarious how little fanfare the Zandalari's Troll's explaination for turning evil was given. It was practically a throwaway line that happens mid-fight with a quest mob.

"We had no choice but to try and fight a war with literally everybody at once, Deathwing sunk our island."

Any reason you couldn't have just, I dunno, ASKED FOR SOME HELP from the younger races whom you've built alliances and friendships with since Vanilla? Instead of doing what you've seen every other troll race do, turning on your gods to abuse them for temporary power only to have it blow up in your faces?

God damn, whoever thought making them evil was a good idea was on drugs.

>> No.25769910

But they aren't an instance of "let me tell you how my elves are different". Like yeah, they are different in some ways, but they're just a progression of the race following events in the lore. What they've become actually makes some amount of sense.

As to the complaints about visual style: if you like your elves to look like Spock, that's your preference. But I prefer some visual distinctiveness and I think they've done well to make them stand out without making them look totally alien.

>> No.25769912

Draenei are a group of Eredar not the other way round.

>> No.25769936
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>their elven ears are exceptionlly expressive
I like that, I just dont like WoW elf ears.

>> No.25769947

Yeah I hate how the trolls are just a one trick pony for villains.
"Hey we're evil guys now break into our city while we summon our LoA to take over the world!!"

>> No.25769953

Why the fuck did I just spell loa like that?

>> No.25769958

The 5.1 quest are pretty cool about the whole gradual happens thing.

It starts off with Garrosh ordering Lor'Themar and some Belfs to look around some Mogu ruins without telling them the Statues can come alive, which gets a bunch of Belfs killed.
Then he gets them to take some Sha thing into Silvermoon to tinker with except he doesn't tell them anything about the Sha, and a sha outbreak almost happens.
Then he makes them get the Sunreavers in on a magic bell heist in Darnassus which results in Jaina taking over Dalaran and ouisting the Sunreavers, killing or capturing any you don't extract.
The whole time Lor'Themar is bluntly telling you he's getting fed up with Garrosh's racism and that if something doesn't change he'll make it change or he's out, it's after the dalaran thing that he just up and goes "Nope, fuck Garrosh, get everybody together, we're heading to Pandaria to do our own thing."

5.2 has less to do with him but his parts are still cool.

>> No.25769972


Also: Welsh.

>> No.25769980

The problem is that everyone wants Rexxar to become Warchief except REXXAR HIMSELF. He doesn't wanna do it, as he hates politics and doesn't have a mind for them. He just wants to roam the wilderness as the wildman he is.

>> No.25769998

So...why do people trust deathwing's kid by the way? Or tolerate him being in pandaria eating old god hearts?

>> No.25770012

I was ok with it at first. Like I could see them getting together and deciding to make a push domination in a desperate situation instead of remaining passive like they have in the past.
But whole mogu ally thing smacks of them trying to retcon the zandalari as having always been evil.

>> No.25770020

Also now he's just dicking around in outland with his ogre family, working out some daddy issues.

>> No.25770021

>The big problem is that they are very 1 dimensional to the point it's embarrassing.
Thats DA in a nutshell. The most interesting things were the Qunari and thats because you learned jack shit about them so you could fill in the blanks yourself.

And then DA2 came around and what little you did learn about Qunari was retconned out and thrown in your face, like them not allowing women to join the military.

>> No.25770046

You can't just have all male tieflings running around that's not sexy

>> No.25770064

I want to see Gallywix get blasted and have them bring in Gazlow as the new goblin leader. Like literally, in story he's hired away from the Steamweedle cartel to be the head of Bilgewater.

>> No.25770066

>Demon king plots TWO fucking coups while standing ten feet from her.
It's partly implied that Varimathras was never truly under Sylvanas's control. After all, he's a dread lord, and if there's anything a dread lord is infamous for, it's lying to your face. Seriously, that's what his breed of demon is good at.

>Half her people aren't loyal after all, somehow missed that
Falls in with Varimathras above. He played Putress and the Royal Apothecary Society and tricked them into tipping their hand and unleashing the plague. He was only caught off-guard by the rapid response of Thrall, Sylvanas and the PCs.

>Did fuck all during that dungeon where she wants to attack the lich king, gets owned in one hit, and then decides to break down ice walls with her bow while the fire mage has to kill the fuckton of zombies for her.
She thought she could take Arthas herself and charges off alone to challenge him. She's SURPRISED she got her shit stomped in, and now she has to retreat.

>lost power and frankenstein monsters to orc king no one likes
The Warchief is probably the only person Sylvanas will willingly take shit from, if only by virtue of him being the Warchief. Plus, give Garrosh credit: it takes major stones to call the Banshee Queen and number one archer in the world a "bitch" to her face and get away with it.

>> No.25770091

They shouldnt have been tieflings in the first place. And Felicia Day Elf was disgusting looking.

>> No.25770127

Yep. The main Horde death knight and Alliance death knight were former comrades-in-arms. They met in battle somewhere in the Plaguelands, had a couple words, and agreed to let each other go.

The Alliance DK was waved off with some words, but Sylvanas had the Horde DK tortured for showing weakness.

>> No.25770147


I heard 2 was bad but I was so disappointed with 1 I can't imagine how bad 2 must have really been. Call me picky but the first game was really story driven and basically had an immensely uninteresting story. Some of the lore was borderline interesting but nothing captivating. I guess the best word for the game in my opinion is "underwhelming".

>> No.25770152

Yeah I agree with you on the whole tiefling thing and dragon age elves are just plain unattractive

>> No.25770164

The Draenai are one big continuity clusterfuck. They said outright the eredar/draenai/eredar thing was a mistake because no one really cared enough about them at the time to check.
Then they threw in the Eredar Twins fight, even though eredar females were supposed to be succubi. Or rather the draenai males and female were based on he eredar and succubus units from wc3 respectively.

>> No.25770167

He just had a nibble. omnom.

>> No.25770201

Velen already had his big moment when he pulled his ALL ACCORDING TO PROPHECY ('cuz that's his gimmick) and redeemed the blood elves by reigniting the Sunwell with M'uru (who was also in on the plan).

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>Call me picky but the first game was really story driven and basically had an immensely uninteresting story.
I agree, actually. I have tried like three different times to beat the game but every time I just stop about halfway through. And most of the lore is kinda dull and generic. Its neat to see how everything fits into their weird Darkspawn/the Fade deal, but elves are still elves and dwarves are still dwarves and humans are still humans. The only remotely original thing is once again the Qunari and once again you learn fuckall about them.
>dragon age elves are just plain unattractive
Not just that, but whatever face conversion software they used made her out of butter or something.

>> No.25770237

I kind of like the exotic, inhuman quality they had in 2. At least thy tried to do more than just humans with point ears. Long..delicious...pointy ears. Fuck, I gotta go deal with something.

>> No.25770243


I like the retconned Draenei lore more than the original. The idea of this one race that was OH SO EVIL AND DECADENT THAT THEY SINGLE HANDEDLY TURNED SARGERAS EVIL was dumb. Now it was simply a gradual decline after an eternity of strife with no end that culminated with the Dreadlords simply being a breaking point in a long string of horrors rather than the ULTIMATE EVIL WHO'S MERE EXISTANCE CORRUPTED ALL THAT WAS GOOD.

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No one questioned the Alliance DK because he was the baddest motherfucker in the place. He went off to see what happened to his best pal after said best pal got yanked into the Undercity by spiked chains.

Assumption is that Sylvanas is trying to figure out how to dominate to a greater degree to instill utter loyalty in her followers, or reverse-engineering Death Knights she can have a cadre of her own hellish war machines.

>> No.25770257

Then at the end of the Zul'Gurub 2: Zul Harder instance, you help free Hakkar. I mean, yeah, you killed the leaders of the Gurubashi, but you just freed Hakkar in the process. gg

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I think you mean 20

>> No.25770314

Well I'm sure the Zandalar won't flip-flop on their views and become so corrupted that they would try to summon the blood god right?...fuck

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I like the current Draenei lore as well. An enlightened race getting corrupted by the force of all evil in the setting (not counting the Old Gods), a faction refusing the evil and fleeing the demonic hordes, crashlanding on the planet and getting used to their new home. Everyone jokes about the draenei being "space goats," but they're more "space tieflings" than anything else. That's what a lot of people don't realize. Draenei, if not eredar as a whole, are tieflings.

>> No.25770484

If I remember correctly they were originally a race per se. The eredar were the denizens of a dimension that was for all sakes and purposes hell. They were mortals, they were individual embodiments of pure evil. Sargeras played with the puzzle box and got more than he bargained for.
Not to say I don't like the new lore either, I just think tying the eredar to the draenai to make the playable ones pretty enough for the alliance was pointless.

>> No.25770508

So the Zandalari went back on their word and attempted to unite the troll tribes themselves because they panicked when Deathwing destroyed their island? Huh. That makes more sense why the doomsayers in Zul'Aman attempt to convince the other trolls to join up because the world is falling apart, and the only thing that can resist the apocalypse is a united troll empire.

>> No.25770527

It was interesting how the old draenei are retroactively referred to as the "Broken Ones" in comparison to other draenei. For the longest time, people thought those old, shriveled purple people were the only draenei out there. Then REAL DRAENEI showed up, and that changed everyone's perception.

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>> No.25770575

Actually, even though Gallywix is a maximum jew, the latest short story from Blizz indicates that there are some lines that even he won't cross.

And on the topic of the Draenei; yeah. Space tieflings are pretty cool.

What's not cool is that the backlash from adding Draenei has pretty much killed any lore development Blizzard might give to the new alliance races.

>> No.25770601

The worgen/human nation of Gilneas already had a boatload of lore to work with.

>> No.25770605

Isn't there some story going on where the zandalari are split between Zul's followers and ones still loyal to their old king?
Been told the 'bad' zandalari are really just a cult.
Which is funny because if its true or not, sooner or later they're gonna get sick of their prophet promising them the world, only to get noped by bands of murderhobos.
Calling it now, zandalari side with the darkspears in 6.0.

>> No.25770606

It's true!

>> No.25770628

I'm still miffed there was no troll raid in WotLK; it was pulled at the last minute. There's always one troll raid/instance in every expansion except WotLK. That giant snake tail teased in Zul'farrak will never be expounded upon.

>> No.25770662

Yeah, and they did nothing with it in-game.

You literally hit level 13 or whatever, shipped to the NE zone, and you have NO IDEA what happens now in Gilneas. Meanwhile, Blizzard serves the rest of the story to the forsaken because they can't get enough meaty horde dick.

Plus the Draenei drop off the face of the earth after that one town in Borean Tundra save Draenei NPCs, which I guess is SOMETHING, but still shit.

A lot of shit got caught out of Wrath. Originally, the entire Utgarde place was planned as Utgarde Catacombs (leveling dungeon 68-70,) Utgarde Keep (mid-70s), and Utgarde Pinnacle (raid.)

Wrath was fun, but it was a clusterfuck of terrible decisions and much promised. Like Dance Studios.

>> No.25770679

Why the fuck is my phone filtering 'weren't' as 'were'?
Fuck Android.

>> No.25770757

>ASKED FOR SOME HELP from the younger races whom you've built alliances and friendships with since Vanilla?

Are you suggesting that grinding to exalted rep with them wasn't just for fun?

>> No.25770816

Don't forget Azjol Nerub the zone. Helping The Unwraveler become the new monarch of the Nerubians, and Nerubians becoming residents of the faction cities as a result of their alliance.

A good chunk of the plot for them was reused as Klaxxi in Mists of Pandaria.

Wanna see what the AQ zone would look like? Do the AQ instance, pay attention to the part where you fall and what you fall past. That's models and scenery from the zone concept that was thrown together.

>> No.25770820
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Tieflings are demon-blooded or otherwise tainted from the lower planes.

Most of the Draenei's fluff, racial abilities and so on points to them being better statted as Aasimar rather than Tiefling, with the Eredar being granted racial Sorcerer levels on top of standard Tiefling.

>> No.25770835
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Draenei and blood elves had their giant story arcs in TBC. It's unsurprising they dropped off so quickly.

Also, don't forget the Northrend underground and the non-undead bugs you were going to grind rep for.

Hell, there's a thought. WotLK was a whole mess of conflicts, yet Arthas was still placed at the top of the heap because he's fuckin' Arthas. If you're presented with the following conflicts and plot points, which would you say is the most pressing?
>Dragon aspect of magic goes crazy, funnels magic into space in a bid to regulate magic, not realizing this will somehow blow up the planet
>an Old God, a Lovecraftian horror, is thiiiiiiis close to breaking free from its prison and corrupting everyone, including Titan sentinels
>in a bid to muster forces for the final push against an undead citadel, the good guys organize a grand tournament to put together the best and the brightest for the final siege
>stop the king of the undead and his undead hordes and abominations from consuming all life on the planet

>> No.25770840

Now you're just making me sad, anon.

>> No.25770841
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As far as WoW is concerned, all Draenei are either Paladins or Shamans.
Paladins are done until we fight Demons again, Shamans got to be in the spotlight already.
Velen gets a mention every time Anduin gets a paper cut as the Royal Family's personal medic.

Worgen seem to be the same, but for Rogues and Druids. Druids also already got their expac. Don't expect to see them until we go in the Emerald Dream to fight the last Old God.

>> No.25770846

Both have stagnated to the point where their subraces in 90% of fantasy are.

>Typical true member of the race (High Elves, Mountain Dwarves)
>Slight deviation, usually focusing on something thetrue ones don't (Grey Elves and Wood Elves, Gold Dwarves)
>Evil cursed subrrace (Droaw, Duergar)

The only difference between the true examples is one is just a fedora away from being they typical fat neckbeard.

Face it both are shit, and have been shit for years.

>> No.25770871

I liked the draenei lore better when they were essentially space japanese - they pretended to have this incredibly wise divine leader that they listened too... but the truth was Argus or whatever his name was is a figurehead like the japanese emperor.

It was the military arm that actually ruled things and they got straight into a fight with the orcs and blood elves

>> No.25770877
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The Draenei Broken model. Broken referring to the Draenei who, due to exposure to Demon radiation and refusing to turn Demonic, turned into Neanderthals.

This guy. He has no female counterpart.

>> No.25770880

I can't say for sure, but I'd say the tournament was the least pressing.

And yeah, I forgot about the whole AQ bit there.


That's the unfortunate bit. No quests or anything, and yet BElves got a bit of new lore in Cata and a bunch in MoP.

It's just awful story-telling. Hell, they had a perfect opportunity to have the draenei involved and threw it away to make Jaina a potential boss for a future expansion.

>> No.25770884

Pretty sure Draenai are gonna be a big part of the next expansion. It's shaping up to be Burning Crusade Reloaded.

>> No.25770894

>Agreeing to disagree
>Sparing your enemy

What the Alliance is made of.

>> No.25770901
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Playable tieflings are usually rebelling against their inherently evil nature. Draenei are notable for being the only eredar to refuse Sargeras's offer of power. So yeah, the draenei are more aasimar than tiefling, but the connection is still there.

>Sargeras: Will you join me?
>Archimonde: Yes.
>Kil'jaeden: Yes.
>Velen: pic related

>> No.25770906

>Druids also already got their expac.
Wait, they did?

>> No.25770912
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>Not liking night elves

>> No.25770919
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Female Broken from the (good) comic.

>> No.25770922

Shame pic isn't more related, would have made Velen a much more popular leader.

>> No.25770926
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Fanmade Female Broken.

Rumor is the person who made this got hired.

>> No.25770936

Argus was the name of the draenei home planet, a utopia.

>> No.25770943

I second this notion.

>> No.25770944

They're just heavily evolved mutant trolls.

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>> No.25770955

I forget what lore the blood elves got in Cata.

>> No.25770962
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>Not liking trolls

>> No.25770969

Think he means cata. They shared top billing with shamans on that one.
Druids got Hyjal and firelands, shamans got vajsir and deepholm.

>> No.25770976
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...you've really never run into someone playing an evil Tiefling? Ever? Maybe it's just a matter of personal experience but both in various literature and in games I've run into a fair few that were quite happy to lie and cheat and steal to their heart's content.

Their hearts were never content.

>> No.25770988

I like trolls just fine, I just find it amusing how many Nelf fags get butthurt when this fact is pointed out to them.

>> No.25770990

>Troll male
Fuck no. Troll females. I am prepared.

>> No.25770998
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Night elves got a shitton of stuff in Cataclysm. The Highborne came back, the World Tree was under attack, Malfurion is back in force, shit's going down in Ashenvale, assisting the worgen with their curse, the final sequence of instances involves going back in time to confront Queen Azshara herself, and so much other stuff.

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Looks like a Protoss with a mouth.

>> No.25771004

Oh yeah, I forgot Hyjal and all it entailed was druid territory.

>> No.25771005

The backmatter was setting Lorthemar up for a heel turn, but they never did anything with it. Which is cool since what we eventually got was baller.

>> No.25771017
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>When enranged and in heat, a female troll can mate for eight hours. Be ya prepared?

>> No.25771020

They're the Horde archeologists.
Mostly a giant Indiana Jones joke with Belloc Brightblade.

Blood/High Elves got lore via Quel'danar in Wrath, and a bit more with the Sanlyn (who were the Blood Elves Kael brought to Northrend who didn't make it home).

>> No.25771031

I already fucking said I was, are you... oh right, language bullshit.

>> No.25771035

Either way, draenei are tiefling in appearance but aasimar everywhere else.

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Would you?
There was a planned quest in Booty Bay for Cata where a bodice ripper novel comes to life between a suave human pirate, and a troll voodoo priestess.

>> No.25771062

Bitch do you even Maormer?

Sea elves for life

>> No.25771083
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This, however, is the best elf

>> No.25771092

>They're just heavily evolved mutant trolls.

>not liking heavily evolved mutant trolls

Although to be fair the Darkspear have really improved lately. The bro-est of all Horde races (except maybe the Tauren).

All other trolls are shit, though. Sadly. The Zandalari could have been awesome

>> No.25771094

Don't they also speak in a ridiculous German/Romanian/Russian accent?

>> No.25771131

I took the time to read the new story with the goblins, and it's actually pretty interesting. I enjoyed it.
Paints them as something else other than, "AAAAHHH EXPLOSIONS AND CAPITALISM" comic relief.

>> No.25771148

>"I'm still not getting it. You want...to put a thread in a needle? To do sewing? To churn butter?
I got nothin'."

>> No.25771166

Since this thread is now Warcraft general, here's a question. When you play wow do you have a headcanon RP for your characters?

>> No.25771179

I roleplayed in it, so... Yeah, I guess so?

>> No.25771199

>>physically largest playable race
>>essentially the black guys of wow universe
Gotta know all the females regardless of race secretly lust for that sweet troll mojo.

>> No.25771213

>Yep. Although I usually stuck to the forums for that, since a post by post thing is more flexible than a real time in-game one.

It's safe to say that's what got me into writing for pleasure. If there were an actual group in my area, I would have jumped straight from WoW to DnD after I unsubscribed.

>> No.25771229

>>>physically largest playable race

what are tauren

>> No.25771254
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wtf are you talking about.

>> No.25771261

Still not as tall as Trolls. Jesus the males and females are fucking tall, and could suplex me into bed.

>> No.25771264

It was quickly abandoned (like, done with as soon as starting zone was over).

>> No.25771290
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I'd like to see some proof of your statement. I followed the game since it's first anouncement and I'm a huge faggot with a (now hating/raging) boner for warcraft lore. Yet I've never read about anything like what you said.

>> No.25771311

Bloodmyst isle, Velen's mostly figurehead power and I believe it's the group called the hand of argus that make up the military might that were intent on fucking up everything to do with blood elves and the orcs

>> No.25771322

Check the height chart, anon. Darkspear trolls are like 12-15 feet tall. Even tauren fall short of them.

>> No.25771335

Not really. Everyone still answers to Velen, and not just because he has legit prophetic powers. In fact, that's one of his biggest assets: true precognition. He predicted everything that happened in TBC, including how he, M'uru and the draenei would redeem the blood elves by reigniting the Sunwell.

>> No.25771340

Largest =/= tallest. If you mean tallest, say tallest.

>> No.25771346

Tauren are bulkier than trolls and about 10-11 feet tall, but trolls are far, far taller.

>> No.25771354


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You're speaking about the Triumvirate of the Hand of Argus, right. Indeed they're pretty hardcore (for draeneis) but they just are military officers, they still follow the words of the Prophet as every single one other member of their people. They talk about the blood elves of the island in the questline, who are a bunch of fel-cracked addict under the leadership of a female man'ari. As for the orcs, the official stance of the draeneis is to to offer the other cheek, so to speak.
>captcha : save lifectu

>> No.25771374
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>Year of our blessed lord 2011+2
>Still playing WoW
>I am, don't be like me
>;_; Brb, trying to recruit people for my raiding guild

On topic: Yeah, I tend to simply accept that my disc priest heals through sheer will, and that his heals hurt like a bitch.

>> No.25771378

Nah I think that's a pretty accurate statement. I have a friend who's 6'6 but slouches and is thin, but I'm 6'1 and stand up straight, and am of the strongfat variety. Most people assume me to be "Larger" despite not being taller.

>> No.25771383

Hey, autism and wow have a rich and storied history together. Autism gave us red shirt guy.

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Pandaren are the biggest now, not counting Tauren horns.

>> No.25771480


Can't argue with Avatar of Pacification.

>> No.25771489

Blizzard WAS fine, but they've gone massively downhill and proceeded to rape most of that they made before. A lot of this seems to be because nobody argues with Metzen about anything anymore.

>> No.25771492
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Also, female goblins.

>> No.25771497

Really dude? I'm sorry that you can't comprehend the difference between "largest" and "tallest". Trolls are taller than taurens, taurens are easily larger.

>> No.25771498
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Fans do.
Backlash after Cata was impressive.

>> No.25771502

I am not sure they even care anymore. Everything is now CORRUPTION and is evil because its CORRUPTED.

>> No.25771508

Corruption can come from anywhere (demons, Old Gods, evil dragons, etc.), so it's the go-to excuse when shit goes down.

>> No.25771518


Honestly, I never understood this. The whole 'my blood is evil because my great great great a few more greats grandfather was a demon' thing with Tieflings always felt really forced, and it never came up with Tieflings I played. They're not even a quarter demon. Being an eighth demon was rare. They had a slight disposition towards chaos, and that was it. Hell, the most widely popularized Tiefling character, Annah, *literally* never brings up any struggle between good and evil in her soul. It's irrelevant.

>> No.25771519

It's a pretty terrible excuse. Who needs genuine motivation when you can just CORRUPTION. Look, I liked the lore stuff in WC3 and even early WoW, but since TBC it's gone to shit.

>> No.25771522
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Seems to be the rule for Warcraft is "you had the evil inside you all along, all I had to do was pass a CHA check".

Except the players who seem to be immune to that kinda thing.

Also, trollbutts.

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>> No.25771542

It's like being half-orc, or in real life growing up in a bad neighborhood because your dad went to prison after shooting a cop while in meth, and your mother locking you in the backyard until child protective services took you.

People expect nothing of you, coupled with a lot of shit you were born into (your mum being on EVERYTHING while pregnant with you in my real life example, maybe getting tattooed in juvenile detention too) makes a low chance of turning out right.

When your evil ancestor can whisper in your ear like a bad shoulder angel, it's kinda harder to say no too.

>> No.25771548
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Orcboobs and a cat.

>> No.25771552

That's not a troll though, that's just a human female with light blue skin.

>> No.25771557
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Beach party.

>> No.25771568

>recognize artist


>> No.25771578
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Bloodsail booty.

>> No.25771579
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>Dat chubby Blood Elf.

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Valkyr and holy bondage.

>> No.25771598
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Skinny girls are nice, but you need one with some curves to really bring things together.

Also, ball sucker.

>> No.25771601

10/10 would smite and baptize.

>> No.25771608
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>> No.25771617

Yes and it gets my boner every time.
>dem hips
>dat lilting accent
>dat tail

It's a shame the males were all gigamuscle muscley muscle men with muscles that are muscular, though.

>> No.25771618

Aaww yeah. There's just something about a shortstack with green skin and pointy ears that brings out the Kirk in a man.

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Warcraft troll genetics are so versatile.

>> No.25771627
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So I heard /tg/ likes ladies and manly men.

>> No.25771629

That dimorphism threw me off for a bit the first time I saw it.

>> No.25771637
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Dese guns.

>> No.25771642

>not only has Lor'themar not done anything in WOW yet,
But that's not true. He's been leading the assault on the Isle of Thunder.

>> No.25771646
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Ah, naga.

Didn't like the WoW versions of the, Warcraft 3 with the voices was better for me.
Also, I didn't like having to kill Vashj. Kept hoping she'd be friendly somehow.

>> No.25771649

Yeah. It would have been nice if they were more similar. Just a little, mind. As they are, the males and females look like offshoots of the same species, but that's about it.

>> No.25771653
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Russian stereotypes.

Khaz Modan. Where men are men, and the sheep get mounted.

>> No.25771662

It makes sense with the whole demon/succubus thing though.

>> No.25771671
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He also gave a thinly veiled FU to Garrosh and Sylvanas prior to that, and even in BC before he did anything we found out he's been enslaving leper gnomes, using mages and priests to quell dissent amongst the people, and has NO intention of trying to work with the High Elves despite what the Rangers say.

>> No.25771678
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Remember when Draenei were a beaten and destroyed race desperate for allies to turn the tide?
I do. I was rep grinding in BC this last weekend for old times.

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Not that I'm complaining, mind you.

>> No.25771697

Both are great.

I got to hand it to Blizzard, they made Space Goat females really hot. Now if they somehow reduce the male Draenei's chest.

>> No.25771704

>enslaving leper gnomes
That's just that one tailor, isn't it? The sweatshop with the succubus taskmaster (whip and all) is beneath the tailoring store.

>> No.25771710
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>Warcraft Trolls
>Warcraft Goblins
Great additions to the fantasy genre.

>> No.25771714

Small time, friend. I have a detailed narrative for my warrior that spans from wc3 to MoP and involves my wife's priest, characters from 3 of my past guilds, and a handful of alts.
Wanna make a comic out of it someday but my drawfaggotry is sorely lacking.

>> No.25771719

Again, they're just tieflings with aasimar tendencies, not that that's a bad thing.

>> No.25771726

That's an high elf. Notice the blue eyes?

>> No.25771739

I think warcraft has the best trolls hands down. It's ruined my perception of trolls in every other medium around.

>> No.25771748

That's what a lot of people say: trolls are one of the best things about Warcraft.

>> No.25771749
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they used to be more alien, didn't they?

>> No.25771758

Not complaining, however if they reduced the males so they actually look like they belong to same species as the females I'd be set. Also Blood Elves both male & female need beefing up, females especially. Orc females need be idk uglier? More muscles, they too look like they're different species than the males.

>> No.25771762
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Can't get enough goblins.

Dwarves and orcs are also on the list. Sadly, most of my pictures of them are temp. banworthy.

>> No.25771770
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Ju want axe?

Actually, when I was a kid playing Warcraft 2 nonstop all I ever had was Death Knights and Trolls horde-side. Shit was fun as hell.
Odd I never rolled a Death Knight troll. They're kind of an odd thing actually, especially the one NPC.
Naw, I went full witch doctor as a healer druid in Cata.

>> No.25771793
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Or a Death Knight.

>> No.25771794
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Concept art had them far more alien, and the Draenei start zone brings out the differences in a big way.

But they assimilate quick apparently. Kind of like how Dwarfs were very Warhammer Dwarf pre-Warcraft 2 (that's not been retconned either) but after the first Alliance Dwarfs and humans blended societies to the point where it's really more different territories that peoples.

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>> No.25771808

>giraffe elves

>> No.25771810
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Blood elf males are already beefed up.

1. By real human standards, belf dudes are ripped.
2. If you remember, the original models for belf males had them EVEN SCRAWNIER than they are now.

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My longest running RP character was a female troll shamanka who had orcish training and wanted to see the world with her newfound training after being forced to give up the voodoo as a child.

>> No.25771827
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Fuck, Blizz never bothered going into Boss Mida's plot.

Not even with the Vol'jin revolution. She should be standing there next to him with a heart over her head.
Then again, the Gob Squad is answering to him while Gallywix seems to be head over heels for Garrosh so maybe we'll see her replacing him as faction leader?

As for forgotten races, Pandaren are next. The faction leaders don't even do a single thing post Pandaren start quest.

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Oh yes indeedy.
It will take all of my willpower to not make goblins sexy in my campaign setting, because I don't want to just carbon-copy WoW's materialistic (but strangely compelling) bimbos.

>> No.25771837

The next expansion will partly be fallout from the Horde civil war and whatever great new threat arises.

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Wasn't Boss Mida an acknowledgement by Blizz of the fan-started "Trade Princess" movement?

There has to be a reason for goblins to be pretty and accessible.

>> No.25771849
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Why not?
Semi-attractive in a greasy and very low sort of way, and equally exciting but unappealing personalities.

Anyone notice how in Warcraft, elves don't seem to have any problems at all race mixing?

>> No.25771858

What's wrong with Thrall?

>> No.25771859

Alleria Windrunner, one of Sylvanas's sisters, is in bed with, what, Rhonin?

>> No.25771882

Don't want to derail the thread, but I recently played through RoC and tFT and the impression I got was that they were planning out WoW in a completely different, and much cooler, way than what they did.

See, we have three factions, each with their own home, with three races each.



>Illidan's people:
Blood Elves

* Or possibly Night Elves, since they don't fit anywhere in the mold, though NE in Alliance has never made any sense.

** Original Draenei, before they got turned into space goats.

I personally think this would've been a hell of a lot more interesting.

>> No.25771891

Seconded. Dwemer is best mer

>> No.25771894


Forgot to mention, though it's really obvious:
>Alliance is based in the Eastern Kingdoms.
>Horde is based in Kalimdor.
>Illidan's people are based on Draenor.

>> No.25771895
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Yep, with NO info on how goblins would enter the horde fans came up with a faction leader.

Boss Mida, the Tallest. Refuses to talk on the ground, instead either in a luxury Shredder or riding on someone's back (usually her assistant who hates his life and everyone else's).
Obsessed with Vol'jin, something that horrifies him. Including the fact she's come into possession of a real working voodoo doll (she's unaware it works) that she not only uses as a teddy bear, but as a status symbol (apparently just thinking it's important is good enough for goblins, since it works).

Gallywix was revealed, so WoW players on the forums went to work demanding it. Eventually she was put in as Gallywix's assistant who actually hangs out in the Goblin area, and does ALL the paperwork for the Bilgewater Goblins single handedly.
Gallywix was supposed to appear in his pleasure palace on top of the giant statue of his own head wearing a top hat when his unique character model was finished. It's STILL not done, so he's not in the game outside the Goblin start zone where he uses a generic Goblin model despite having voice files for being clicked on enough times by a horde player, as well as aggro voice files for alliance players attacking him.

>> No.25771897
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It's not that Thrall's a bad guy, but it's that he's the golden child who can magically get everything done right. The only thing people consistently call him on is that he's a terrible judge of character (Garrosh being the best example), but other than that, Thrall is constantly portrayed as his shit smelling like fresh potpourri. Yeah, he's the orc messiah alongside Grom Hellscream, but even I'm getting tired of him.

Have an Alexstraza. For the record, I actually really like how Warcraft handled dragons (at least before the Dragon Soul event). Stewards of the Titans that keep watch over different aspects of existence, with the strongest among them becoming the aspect of that facet. They're powerful and smart, but approachable.

>> No.25771900

He's Metzen's self-insert/Green Jesus.
People want it being about the players and their accomplishments, not just tagging along behind some all-important NPC

>> No.25771915

>because dwarves are exactly like elves in every way

Because they're dicks, and all non-humans are dicks. Most humans are dicks too, but they at least are usually granted the fabled opportunity to not be a dick. Non-human races are cursed to have boring, one dimensional personalities that vary only slightly across the entire race. So yeah, Elves and Dwarves are hella similar. They're all bitches and whores.

>> No.25771921

There are 3 Windrunner sisters.
The eldest was (or is) Alleria, who shacked up with Turalyon after the Second War and had a half-elf son. She and Turalyon have since vanished from Outland.
Sylvanas was the middle-child, I believe.
Youngest was Rhonin's armcandy, Vareesa. She is the head of the Silver Covenant, a faction of High Elves loyal to the Alliance and supported by Dalaran. Rhonin's dead now, and she wants Horde blood.

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Alleria hooked up with Turalyon, human paladin.
Vereesa hooked up with a human mage named Rhonin and had twins by him. He's dead now with his soul obliterated, and she's gone Punisher against the Horde for it.
Sylvanas hooked up with a human named Nathanos, and made him her subordinate in the Rangers (the only human to ever be a part of that organization) for it. In death, he's her Champion and goes by the name Nathanos Blightcaller. He used to be a part of a big time quest chain, now he just hangs out in Undercity. I think he's a Hunter Trainer too.

>> No.25771944

I liked them before WoW.

>> No.25771946

>Rhonin's dead now
Wait, how did that happen?

>> No.25771951
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Gnomes were never intended as a race, Metzen hates them. However the player base loves them, so he eventually made Mekkatorque the badass Sue he wants in any race.
High Elves were supposed to be the extra human race, but it doubled up on Night Elves and Forsaken were a mandatory player race at that point.
So gnomes became a player race.

>> No.25771953


What are politics of canon Alliance and Horde anyway? Aside from manner in which they carry them out (more violent in case of Horde, more "environmentally friendly" in case of Alliance) they seem pretty identical - protection of member nations and expansion into unclaimed territory

>> No.25771954

For that matter, wasn't Rhonin another Metzen self-insert?

>> No.25771963


That just says Windrunners have a xenophile gene. But suppose it's not all that inconcievable a concept in Azeroth

>> No.25771970


He died in the fall of Theramore, no?

>> No.25771974

As it was told to me, the NE's asked the horde and alliance to kindly nope the fuck out of hyjal and the surrounding areas following the battle of Theramore. The tauren told them they didn't own the land and began to set up he settlements in stonetalon. The ne's ended up joining the alliance because they felt conflict with the tauren was inevitable.

>> No.25771983

More or less.

>> No.25771989
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I wasn't fond of gnomes to start, but they grew on me over my years of WoW.
Basically chibi geniuses.

They're precocious!

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She was great in the Day of the Dragon book.

>Deathwing: Scaaaaary.
>Deathwing: More DOTS.
>Deathwing: Meh.
>Alexstrazsa: Suffer the emotional pain of being made into a baby factory and seeing your four year olds slaughter and be slaughtered!

>> No.25771996


Right, forgot about the Forsaken. High elves are the most probable third race for original Alliance, then, yes.

So we have three perfectly fleshed out factions that make sense in the lore, but we also have two major players that are unaligned with anyone.


Politics would be pretty much identical. Both are trying to rebuild and rejuvenate their peoples. Politics between them should have been "We used to be enemies and we still don't really like you, but we reaaaaaaally don't want to fight you again."


And that is fucking bullshit. Stonetalon isn't part of Night Elf lands. And if it was, the Tauren would respect that. And if they didn't, Thrall would have a fit and try to persuade them to respect that, because he doesn't want to fight the Night Elves.

>> No.25772002

Like how Onyxia was one hitted by Wrynn after cooking some redshirt Stormwind footmen that represented the players, or how generic Stormwind knights killed VanCleef?

>> No.25772012


There might have been Grimtotem and false flag raids involved. People are usually less willing to peaceful resolution once blood has been shed.

>> No.25772026
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Really, the night elves don't have beef with anyone (in fact, barring the political divide, nelves and tauren are actually on semi-relatable terms) unless you encroach on night elf lands.

What exactly constitutes "night elf lands" is the question.

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That about sums it up, though the Horde (being Red Team and all) is the aggressive force between the two. The Alliance would be settled into a comfortable niche if not for the Horde calling dibs on everything that the Alliance already owns. i.e. Ashenvale, all of Lordaeron, Gilneas, Arathi, Stonetalon Mountains, Feralas, etc.

Also, the Alliance is mostly of the opinion that Lordaeron belongs to living humans, not the foul and corrupted undead on the Banshee Queen's leash.

The Argent Crusade is having a tough time staying neutral in that conflict, probably.

>> No.25772031

>give Garrosh credit


>> No.25772047
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Garrosh thought the best way to take advantage of having the dragons of magic as his allies was to steal a magical nuke.

He had the blood elves retool it (at the cost of a great deal of BElf lives) to be more destructive.

It not only kills, it destroys your soul and kills every version of you in multiple dimensions across reality.
He dropped it on Theramore. Many (but not all) of the civilians were evacuated prior, but the defending forces caught it bad. Jaina was hurt by the blast but not killed as she was outside the city and is losing her mind due to shellshock.

Garrosh then killed any horde who weren't enthusiastic about it including more Blood Elves.
Baine and Vol'jin started planning the rebellion to kill Garrosh, they later involve Lor'themar. Sylvanas I guess is helping too, she just kinda staying out of it apparently though.

Vereesa fucking loses her shit, as does most of the alliance. Now there's a total war policy in place, with a batshit insane Admiral Crazytits who carpet bombs areas horde MIGHT be in and shoots the water to ensure no sailors make it back to shore after a ship sinks.

tl:dr Garrosh went Hitler, now Alliance is manning up.

>> No.25772051

I don't know if its Canon or not but it does fit with the night elves in wc3 basically claiming dominion over any part of kalimdor that wasn't a desert. Remember, originally they weren't hippies, they were xenophobic Eco-terrorists. And after being driven from their homelands by the centaurs, I doubt the tauren were in any mood to take any orders to vacate the premises in stride.

>> No.25772061
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Horde was initially about surviving in a hostile environment where everything wanted to kill you and expanding the concept of "my people" to the entire faction for mutual survival.

Alliance was about rebuilding and reclaiming what was taken or destroyed.

>> No.25772078

>It not only kills, it destroys your soul and kills every version of you in multiple dimensions across reality.

>> No.25772081

Also, despite promises from Thrall, the Warsongs KEPT logging Ashenvale and shooting at Night Elves.
NEs started shooting back and when they were offered help by adventurers, they joined up. Thrall pretended he didn't see that shit because Durotar, essentially just leather pitched across bones and driftwood in a canyon, needed the lumber bad.
Garrosh got in and immediately decided to wipe out the Night Elf race since he felt Kalimdor was horde property.

>> No.25772085
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There's something off about the face, but I wouldn't mind dreaming about the rest.

>> No.25772087

Thrall's Horde wanted peace and a place of their own to live quietly.
Garrosh's Horde wanted *fucking everything.*

>> No.25772093

This image is my head cannon for how all Draenai Paladins act

>> No.25772097
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He got a boner from it.

Not literally, but upon being told that he was thrilled. Ever since he had the demon's skull that was a memorial to his dead father turned into a chair/clothing, he's lost the ability to feel others are people.

>> No.25772101

Skull brooch hair is best hair.

>> No.25772111
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It's a very elegant night elven dress, isn't it? Here's Tyrande.

>> No.25772113


It clearly did not work, since he's still alive in ours. Rule 1 of goblin engineering - never take the user's manual at face value.

>> No.25772121
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Wait, the Mana Bomb destroyed their SOULS and across reality?
That shit is fucking sinister by Warcraft standards. Not even the Bronze Dragons can wind time back and undo the deaths of those it happened to, from what it sounds like.

It killed Marcus Jonathan, Rhonin, Archmage Tervosh, Kinndy Sparkshine (daughter of Windle Sparkshine, the gnome that lights the lamps in Dalaran), and a large number of Alliance officers and Kirin-Tor magi.
And it obliterated their fucking souls. Egh.

>> No.25772122

So Jaina survived, but it destroyed the versions of her from all the fanfics where she and Thrall are a thing.
>>tfw this is now your headcanon

>> No.25772124

Vindicators are offensive ones, Anchorites are defensive ones or priests.

>> No.25772133

Also some Night Elves and Draenei who showed up to help towards the end, and the Horde spies/prisoners Garrosh gave no fucks about.

Plus Jaina was partially caught in the blast, so her soul was probably affected or perhaps her place in the timeline.

>> No.25772179
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You forget Dreadlords wandering around Lordaeron eating souls from villagers who managed to hide from the undead?

Or Thaddeius, the giant Frankenstein monster made out of the flesh of the women and children of Lordaeron and physically held together by their souls? (That "help me...HELP ME!" and the various other background noise screamings in Naxx that stop after you kill him? Yeah).
Or the fact the children of Lordaeron had their brains used for Abominations, and the Forsaken who want to have Forsaken orphans and/or tracked their own children to a specific abom guard got told to STFU or face the headsman's axe by Sylvanas?

How about the woman who was lobotomized partially, had her eyes gouged out, and was turned into a robot-like slave wandering the Undercity in barefeet delivering parcels so her father (a forsaken) can gloat about having managed it? On a related note, Calia Menethil turned into a semi-mindless undead (pic more or less related) and kept underground in a small room by Sylvanas just because?

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I like their premise. Ascended intergalactic superbeings with the power to forge stars, obliterate worlds, or create life from nothing. Yet, they are fallible, as seen with everything involving the Old Gods.

>"Their figure is humanoid but gigantic, with gleaming metallic skin and a perfection of form that makes the heart ache."
They're so fucking perfect you can't even help yourself from suffering that melancholy joy from their beauty. That's also a thing.

>> No.25772206

Don't forget that tauren scout that was poisoned and went to the Royal Apothecary Society for healing. They then proceeded to test the plague on her and kill her.

>> No.25772220
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Titans can destroy Old Gods, and Demons can corrupt Titans, and Old Gods...well, they turned robots fleshy in order to eat them. Didn't work out so well though.

Also, nothing in that pic is a Titan. Those are just constructs in Titan images, true Titans according to Metzen can't be given the glory they deserve in a game so you won't see them in WoW.

>> No.25772225

No shit? I thought Calia's whereabouts were unknown.

>> No.25772236


They really did shit job in killing the old gods though. It seems like they only incapacitated them.

>> No.25772239

Also, trolls being cannibalistic.
While Darkspears do it post-mortem now or not at all, imagine if you will what happens when you fight ANY other group of trolls.
Particularly Amani, to whom intelligent humanoids is a dietary staple?

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But it's already established that the Nathrezim are incredibly evil. Garrosh is going into full demon mode, is what I'm getting at.

At least their souls are freed when you destroy their terrible monstrosity of a shell.

>children of Lordaeron had their brains used for Abominations
Never heard of that one. That's new to me, but I'd believe it. It'd make them malleable but still capable of understanding instructions. Also sounds like something Sylvanas would do.

>woman who was lobotomized
Holy damn, that guy was her father? Also, yeah. That's one of the things people point at to justify how fucked up the Forsaken are.

>Calia Menethil
I don't remember seeing this anywhere. Where is that in the canon?

>> No.25772254

Darkspear also banned voodoo, though that didn't stop some. It's why one of their "goodbye" soundbytes is "Stay away from the voodoo."

>> No.25772256

A forsaken and paladin broke into Undercity. The paladin went to the dungeons (of a dungeon?) and rescued her, the forsaken split off to take care of some kind of unfinished business.

Canonicity is dubious now. There's also an SI:7 agent who could be her too.

>> No.25772261

They only killed one, and when it infected an entire continent with its badness (and presumably the Titan that dealt the killing blow), they decided that imprisoning the Old Gods was a better long-term solution.

>> No.25772274
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He's wearing a Pit Lord, one of the most powerful of the first kinds of demons, as clothing while sitting in a chair made of the rest of said Pit Lord. Meanwhile Ragefire Chasm, known for being connected to both Old Gods (*cough* Sha of Pride *cough*) AND Demon worshipers is now bustling with Kor'kron who are now amped up by magical items that are compatible with voodoo (don't forget, troll warlocks are just voodoo priests of the darker troll gods).


>> No.25772287
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>At least their souls are freed when you destroy their terrible monstrosity of a shell.
They rebuilt him with the same parts and souls.
Those souls are tied to the flesh.

Also, Sylvanas didn't DO it. But she has NO intentions of reversing it.
Ever wonder why there's quite a few Forsaken in the Argent Dawn? It's not because they had a bigger boner for revenge than the Forsaken as a whole.

>> No.25772295

They didn't ban voodoo, just cannibalism.
Darkspears DID abandon the darker parts though, but that was in Sen'jin's generation.

>> No.25772298

The excuse given by everyone (hell, it's outright told to you during a WotLK instance with Brann Bronzebeard) is that the Old Gods are inextricably tied to the central structure of Azeroth. Destroy the Old Gods, and you destroy Azeroth. The Titans didn't want to do it, so so they orchestrated Azeroth as a prison for the Old Gods.

That's what the Ulduar raid was about: one piece of the prison was weakening, and one of the Old Gods was THAT close to breaking totally free.

>> No.25772314
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They're beyond mortal ken, and thus, we as mortals cannot properly depict them.

I getcha.

>pic unrelated, I just like to think worgen pups are super adorable

>> No.25772330

Never thought about that.

If you go to the Darkmoon Fair, they have goblin children now. They're just less ripped/curvy adult models though.

>> No.25772342


This is one of the biggest pieces of shit in the whole of WoW's lore.

Why the FUCK did Thrall keep the logging going on? They weren't that fucking desperate for lumber. No one is EVER THAT FUCKING DESPERATE FOR LUMBER. This was a declaration of war, and Thrall should have know it.

>> No.25772369

Thrall is of the Frostwolf orc clan, not the Warsong. The Warsong kept logging, even after Thrall said no. It was with Garrosh that the Warsong were encouraged even further and deforested Ashenvale in record time.

>> No.25772385

The reason is simply that he couldn't put a leash on the Warsong Clan without risking the stability of the Horde. If he told the Warsong Clan to stop being assholes, they'd be like, "HURR DURR GROMMASH HELLSCREAM OUR SAVIOR OF DA HORDE, YOU CAN'T TELL US WHAT TO DO" and would probably start fighting the Horde as a whole.

If the Clan of Hellscream (who a lot of orcs view as a martyr despite the fact that he was one of the orcs that fucked them over with Mannoroth's blood in the first place) left, others might just follow. Depending on the political climate, the Alliance would take advantage of that and fuck the Horde entirely.

I spent a lot of time playing as an orc.

>> No.25772386

Well, you can't found a city out of nothing. There's a HUGE orc population, so you need to build fast.

Night Elves get pissed no matter where you log, and the other forests have much nastier beasties.

Finally, the Warsong give no fucks what Thrall thinks just like the Frostwolves give no fucks what Garrosh thinks.

Doesn't explain where the Tauren got the lumber to build THEIR first city though. Maybe druids?
Then again, Thunder Bluff doesn't have too many buildings. I guess if you're planning Stormwind 2 maybe, but TB is just a series of teepees with wood bridges between them and one giant wooden lift.

>> No.25772403

Thrall outright says the reason Garrosh was made warchief is that the Orcs would not accept a non-orc, Saurfang was too old and nobody else wanted the position he knew enough.

>> No.25772414


Thrall's the fucking Warchief. The idea behind a Warchief is that all clans follow you. The moment a clan gets insubordinate, all other clans kick their teeth in. It wouldn't be hard to explain to all the other clans that what the Warsong is doing is going to lead to war in a time where pretty much all agree that a war would be a horrible decision. Especially against an ancient race that defeated the demons ON THEIR OWN the last time.

And this was not just any insubordination - this was an outright declaration of war against a former ally. Thrall should've kicked Garrosh's ass. There is NO excuse for this shit.

>> No.25772418

Gilnean children exist in the game. They're just regular human children in Victorian-era sorts of clothing, as it seems that children either A) have the Worgen curse remain dormant until adulthood/puberty or B) the effects of the curse outright kills children and the existing children are unafflicted Gilneans.

Alternatively, C) Blizz didn't want to make werewolf children models even though they may be able to canonically change.

>> No.25772419

And also because Garrosh wanted desperately to live up to the image of his dad Grom and to be a true hero like his old man.

Look at him now.

>> No.25772436

Dunmer are excellent, but they look like mongoloid retards just like all the other Mer in TES.

>> No.25772438

>Warsong log Ashenvale
>Thrall says no
>Warsong say fuck off, keep logging
>Thrall calls other orc clans to straighten out the Warsong
>No lumber
>No Orgrimmar
Antagonize the Warsong, and it just starts a cavalcade of shit.

>> No.25772445
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Thrall had too much of a light touch, and his merit as Warchief was mostly due to his impressive shamanistic powers and diplomatic skills. Taking other clans by the short and curlies and telling them to fall in line was not his strong suit.

Great shaman, good leader, okay chieftain, poor warchief.

>> No.25772449

Oh my.

Ever look at an image and just know you're going to have to fap twice?

>> No.25772464
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Yep. Have another goblin.

>> No.25772469


Then here's an idea. He can talk to the Night Elves, apologize, and inform them that the Warsong's actions are their own and that if a conflict should arise, then the Horde would not back the Warsong.

Thrall has at least a moderate pull with Tyrande and Malfurion, they'd understand his need to not attack the Warsong directly.

>> No.25772476

Problem is, orcs cannot into unity even in Warcraft.

Fuck, there's as many orcs outside the horde are there are humans outside the alliance (when you're as "any alignment" as humans, you're all over the map).
Orcs are naturally impertinent to adversity (or authority without a shaman around to teach them better morals). Humans by contrast have seen almost the entirety of their race wiped out.
Hard NOT to get over divisions then.

>> No.25772492

Maybe since they're infected early but still get NE help, they're better at controlling it?
Like when the /transform macro worked and you could install the addon to transform back out of combat?

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He's come a long way, hasn't he?

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So either
A) Thrall was too soft, or
B) he knew starting shit with the Warsong would start something he didn't wanna deal with.
Either way, Warsong keep cutting down trees.

Even if Thrall helped save Hyjal the first time, night elves don't get along with orcs on an almost fundamental level, even if Thrall is one-of-a-kind. Even then,
>night elves opening a dialogue with anyone

>> No.25772520

>thousand-yard-stare face
I swear, that never looks right.

>> No.25772522
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Except Thrall never sent forces to reinforce the Warsong: despite there being a PvP awards center with a Warsong representative, that was mercenaries hired by the Warsong showing up. To play capture the flag.

Plus, cheap lumber. As you recall though, until Garrosh and pre-calming the fuck down Wrynn fucked up the peace talks, Thrall was talking about buying lumber straight from Stormwind in order to ease off reliance on Warsong lumber.
Also that the horde would trade copper and exotic animals for it.

>> No.25772526
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That's why my orc gave up on trying to teach other orcs to stop being fucking morons and instead opted to do what good she can for the world outside of the Horde.

She also took up monkhood, which she excelled at due to her previous training in the Orcish analogue of (now non-canon) "Spirit Champion", the supposed predecessor to the Blademasters.


>> No.25772529

>same character over time

That's Blizzard games for you

>> No.25772552


If you recall, Malfurion was very open to dialogue with the orcs and the humans. And now that the orcs have laid their lives on the line to help them deal with the demons, I'm pretty sure he'd have at least a bit of respect and understanding for Thrall.

>> No.25772557
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Blizz promised high rez vanilla race models and more customization options for MoP.
Dwarfs were to be first, then orce and humans. Goblins and Worgen last (obviously).

None came. But if you check the Throne of Thunder raid with the troll bosses, they use the vanilla troll faces and models sort of but are MUCH higher quality.
So it's done at least that far. Blizz is probably waiting on releasing it until all at once.

>> No.25772578
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Compared to this, that looks impressive.

>> No.25772583
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Druids and shamans get along.
But shamans don't hold sway in most clans since they're the oldest and the youngest generations.
Also "reunification" and thus differences was part of the early Night Elf storyline (that was dropped).
Great for Second War veterans. Not good for anyone else.

>> No.25772590

If you recall, Tyrande shoots anything that moves and some things that don't.

>> No.25772606
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Also, devs hinted that Blizz was looking into different body builds for races (like berserker trolls and non-buff humans) around the same time they said player housing was on the table.
We saw where player housing went, Sunsong Ranch, maybe a body slider could be too?

>> No.25772614

Yes, but not when Malfurion said she shouldn't. Most times. And since she was willing to listen to him about them BEFORE they helped save the world, why the hell would she be against them AFTER?

>> No.25772622

Yet there is only one troll footjob pic.

Dayum shame.

>> No.25772628


>> No.25772639

This. Also, they're apart quite a bit being two racial leaders of a very scattered people.

>> No.25772646

Metzen said once: Warcraft will not end until Goblins, Naga, and Ogres are player races.

>> No.25772652

This actually looks pretty good.

I can just picture the ERPers jizzing their pants once the models get updated.

This is pretty bad.

Yeah, MUH FORESTS is more important than MUH WHOLE WORLD? Come on, man, you're just looking for a way to excuse the idiocy going on here. You can't have them be ultra-xenophobes AND be willing to join the Alliance.


>non-buff humans

>> No.25772659


I've been waiting for this since day one.

>> No.25772676

>Yeah, MUH FORESTS is more important than MUH WHOLE WORLD? Come on, man, you're just looking for a way to excuse the idiocy going on here. You can't have them be ultra-xenophobes AND be willing to join the Alliance.
Thrall, Vol'jin and Baine/Cairne aside, racial leaders are notoriously short-sighted.

>> No.25772690

And Velen. Can't forget the one prophet of the list.

>> No.25772697


Again, either they're ultra-xenophobes or not. They can't be unwilling to even speak to the Horde, but willing to JOIN the Alliance at the same time.

>> No.25772698

Metzen also said that Nerubians were something he wanted to do badly, but with the removal of plainstriding he never wanted to go back to that being mandatory and there's no way to make Nerubians work with a mount.
Also, doorways.

Azjol Nerub the zone was his compromise, but that fell entirely through as well.

>> No.25772712

Everyone already acknowledges that the night elves joining the Alliance is sketchy at best.

>> No.25772719

I don't think Mekkatorque was short sighted, he trusted his cabinet to give good advice.
Generally speaking, who banks on someone INTENTIONALLY trying to wipe out your entire species, particularly an old friend?

Not to mention Magni seemed pretty together until he tried to single handedly save the world and failed.

>> No.25772728

Initially it was as a way to survive against the horde.
Later on, Night Elves became less xenophobic with exposure to other races.

>> No.25772736


For fuck's sake, why does a company like Blizzard, which has done some AMAZING things in balancing games with incredibly distinct factions, need to make all races fucking identical. Don't give Nerubians mounts. Have them learn an ability that makes them fast, but costs a lot, or something. Then give them some big flying thing that they can stand on. Done.


Yeah, but having its sketchiness recognized doesn't mean it should get a free pass to ignore what it did. They joined the Alliance, ergo - they are not that fucking xenophobic. They would have talked it over with Thrall.

>> No.25772742
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Oh look, a fan-made female ogre model.
Way too cute/not bulky enough, but still a good concept.

>> No.25772757

So at least initially, it's the same reason the Forsaken joined the Horde: self-preservation in the face of immense odds.

>> No.25772762
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Because players will bitch and moan about X race getting a racial mount while Y race does not because they can't ride on stuff.
Also, flying mounts and flight-paths factor into it.

Naga could totally sit side-saddle on stuff with their tails hanging off, though. Not even an issue for Naga. Nerubians, though? Myeah.

>> No.25772785


Yeah, the reason the Forsaken joined the Horde.

Now, why did the Horde ACCEPT the Forsaken?

>> No.25772801
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To get a foothold in the Eastern Kingdoms that wasn't Stranglethorn.


>> No.25772807

They didn't, MOST horde hate forsaken.
Players are the only forsaken who are accepted, and vice versa horde players are the only ones of their races forsaken trust or give a damn about.
Notice how despite how long players chilled in UC, nobody in Orgrimmar knew what was going on with it?

>> No.25772809

I hate that axe.

>> No.25772860
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I hate her lack of tusks.
That ain't no troll.

Also, have a female Ethereal.

>> No.25772910


Nerubians could affix themselves beneath the gryphon with their web

>> No.25772916


Unbound ethereals did not look like they would care about sexuality.

This could just be a metrosexual Ethereal.

>> No.25772950
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Consider the fact that a large number of them have been around since they got void-blasted out of their own bodies and made into beings of energy.
Some would retain their previous sensibilities and preferences, but just... y'know, be energy space mummies.

>> No.25772959

All we know about Ethereals is they've been EVERYWHERE, they got into Karazahn by exploring unexplored spaces between dimensions.

We know that Voidwalkers are monsters to them, and wiped out their planet and most of their people.
We know they have a hard time manifesting in a stable way on material worlds, but once they do they require little to no maintenance. We know they wear wraps for some reason, and although they can go without them if they want to, obtaining one's wraps is enough to identify them and determine that they are dead.
We know they're like goblins.

>> No.25772976

There was a hanging plot thread that was quickly dropped of Ethereals consorting with Malygos's rampant blue flight during the War of the Dragons in WotLK.

>> No.25773015


So what do you think of this? Wouldn't it have been better to initially have these three factions? It would make a fuckton more sense in all aspects, and it has the added bonus of not having to make Kael, his BElves and the Naga outright evil for no reason.

>> No.25773016
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Largely because orgrimmar was expanding at an absolutely silly pace, and because for a while the warsong clan was being smart about it.

Then Garrosh came along and tried to fill daddies shoes by being even MORE larger than life than GROMMASH HELLSCREAM. The result was he murdered trusted allies, turned people against him, provoked a war, committed more than a few atrocities that hitler would cringe at (he only wanted to kill jews, he didn't want to destroy their souls), and in general had the midas hand of turning things to shit

>> No.25773700

I think its very telling how shitty WoW is when the only positive thing anyone has to say about it is ''Well at least the porn is good''

>> No.25773714


Most of it is horrible. But there's just so fucking much of it, some of it is bound to not be terrible.

>> No.25773740

Oh I know, I was just referring to this thread, where people chose to discuss their favorite porn over the actual game

>> No.25773780


Oh, we did discuss the game. We just reached the conclusion that the game has nothing of value that can be discussed. Characters are terrible, plot is retarded.

>> No.25774057
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They turned Garrosh's face all droopy.

>> No.25774071

I like it well enough, it's just getting stale. Also the storytelling mechanics were good 7 years ago, but in a time when just about every game has some kind of morality system, Blizzard would do well to incorporate a means by which players can have a little more control in their own story.

>> No.25774129

You'd think the Warchief could afford a matching pair of shoes, and a decent pair of trousers.

>> No.25774169

Morality systems are themselves stale and contribute nothing to a story.

>> No.25774502

I liked Garrosh, and thought he was actually shaping up to be a good Warchief in Cataclysm. Banning the use of Blight, executing one of his generals for dropping a massive bomb - the ironing - on a bunch of Druids, murdering innocents, and talking about how he cared about honour and even mercy.
But suddenly Pandaria and BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.

>> No.25774513


Yeah, but they at least make you kinda feel like you're roleplaying. Moreso than reading BLOCK OF TEXT NUMBER 3827530287, then going off and killing fifteen rats.

>> No.25774597

>but they at least make you kinda feel like you're roleplaying
Actually they dont. It feels less like you are playing a role and more like some rat in a cage pushing the evil button for evil points to get that delicious evil ability biscuit with absolutely no regards for the story. All morality systems do is reduce your roleplay options to one of two things - complete dick or absolute doormat.

Also, morality systems are shit for multiplayer games and WoW isnt gonna benefit in any way by giving players choices in side quests. Because TOR was such a great game, you know.

>> No.25774621


>All morality systems
Yeah, no. MOST - yes. ALL - no.

And like I said - they make you feel like you're roleplaying more than the blocks of text that almost nobody reads.

>> No.25774670

>MOST - yes. ALL - no.
Don't be a semantic faggot. Nobody likes a semantic faggot.
>And like I said - they make you feel like you're roleplaying more than the blocks of text that almost nobody reads.
For you, maybe. I just feel even more restricted because now I have a stat that actually punishes me for going off of one of the two rails they set out for you.

>> No.25774725


>Nobody likes a semantic faggot.
Nobody likes an exaggerating faggot.

>now I have a stat that actually punishes me for going off of one of the two rails they set out for you.
So one rail is better?

>> No.25774786

I never understood why nelves go barefoot so much.

>> No.25774799

They're descended from Trolls. So they are Forest/Jungle people and more in tune with nature.

>> No.25774808


Oh, you poor, innocent bastard...

>> No.25774922

>Nobody likes an exaggerating faggot.
Still being a semantic faggot.
>So one rail is better?
In terms of WoW? Yes. Since folks don't play WoW to get into character or any of that shit and really, its damn near impossible to since the idea that some shlub is doing all this shit breaks immersion like fuck. Well, that and having your own personal treasure trove of ancient relics of war that no one person should own and not only that, but everyone and their mother having the same goddamn thing. And for actually decent role playing games, a morality bar just gets in the way of playing a role.

>> No.25774964


>> No.25775010


>Still being a semantic faggot.
So now its semantics to defend the morality systems in KOTOR2, Baldur's Gate and Planescape: Torment. No. You were exaggerating when you said ALL morality systems in games suck. There are morality systems in games that are fantastic. It's like saying FPS sucks as a genre. Most FPS games suck, but there are gems like Bioshock and Deus Ex. And nobody said anything about a morality BAR, we're talking about a morality SYSTEM. Huge difference.

>> No.25775104

KOTOR 2 is precisely guilty of what I was talking about. They tried to reward neutrality more than Bioware did in KOTOR 1, but at the end of the day you are still just making a dickass character for the sake of the evil-aligned force powers or making an utter whiteknight for the sake of all them LS points. Which I guess fits the black and white nature of Star Wars, but its still incredibly restrictive.

Baldurs Gate was just your standard alignment chart bullshit which didn't really take away from the game, but I wouldn't say the game was better for it either.
>Most FPS games suck
Most of everything sucks, due to Sturgeons Law and all that. Also, you must not videogame much if you dont know where all the good fps games are.
>And nobody said anything about a morality BAR, we're talking about a morality SYSTEM.
I have yet to see a system that doesn't manifest itself in one or more bars. Even your precious KOTOR does that.

I do like how you more or less just parroted /v/s opinions word for word, though. It was pretty cute. You even went out of your way to specify KOTOR 2 over 1, which was adorable.

>> No.25775212


Oh, wow, the talking-down-to.

First of all, saying KOTOR2's morality system boils down to which powers you want means you either didn't play the game, or you played it in the most idiotic way possible. Neutrality is NOT rewarded in the game, especially if you consider force powers rewards, because as a neutral you're not as good as a good or evil-aligned jedi. What neutrality, and not just any neutrality, but a VERY specific form of it, gets you is Kreia's approval, which you may or may not want.

Baldur's gate's morality system is not just choosing if you're chaotic good or lawful evil - it's in everything you do. You have a reputation, which is more than just the variable you see in the menu - people remember what you've done. That is a morality system, which uses some bars, but the most important aspect of it is not in any way a 'bar'.

I like how you didn't say anything about Planescape.

And yes, of course I would specify KOTOR 2 over 1. 1's morality system is bad. 2's is good.

I'm not even going to stoop to your level by trying to patronize you. You sound ridiculous enough on your own.

>Bioshock and Deus Ex
>Not good FPS
The fuck is wrong with you?

>> No.25775357

>First of all, saying KOTOR2's morality system boils down to which powers you want means you either didn't play the game, or you played it in the most idiotic way possible.
So what youre saying is that morality systems have no influence over roleplay?
>Neutrality is NOT rewarded in the game,
Bindos Band says ur a faget. Obsidian made several pieces of neutral-only jedi gear, but they didn't extend it beyond that. A neat idea, but an unfinished and poorly executed one.
>You have a reputation
Reputation systems are completely different from morality systems and FONV is a much better example of reputation than BG.
>I like how you didn't say anything about Planescape.
Nothing really needed to be said. Same damn engine.
>1's morality system is bad. 2's is good.
Its the same fucking system. Like, literally the same exact system. You could argue that 2 puts it to better use, but its still the same fucking system. Unless you're referring to Influence, which is once again not tied to morality and a whole other beast entirely.
>>Bioshock and Deus Ex
>>Not good FPS
I never said this, chief. I just said it was cute how you have done nothing but cart out /v/s favorites and parrot their opinions. Same deal with KOTOR 2 and pst. Your posts feel like a /v/ Greatest Hits mashup.

>> No.25775422

They are /v/'s favourites for a reason. I'm not the guy you're quoting but you are coming across as attacking his likes as "parroting /v/" just because he disagrees with you.

>> No.25775455

Nah, its cool. They're all fun games, its just kinda funny that they're the only examples he could think of and the way he attacks the morality system of KOTOR1 when it was actually the story and dialogue that made that game mediocre. I got the impression that he didnt even know why /v/ likes the games it likes and hates the one it hates. You know, like a parrot who just squawks words without knowing their meaning.

>> No.25775465


>Your post sounds like you're from /v/, that means it's wrong.
Yeah, no. KOTOR2, P:T and BG are some of the best games out there. /v/ likes them for a reason.

>So what youre saying is that morality systems have no influence over roleplay?
Morality systems don't need to influence gameplay, no. They need to influence the story and character development. They need to influence how people react to your character. They should change the path your character is going on, not whether pressing X will fire a lightning bolt or a fire bolt.

>Bindos Band says ur a faget.
Wow, they made some neutral-only equipment. That would be a really powerful argument if there wasn't actually a lot more equipment that was dark/light-side exclusive. Also, really? KOTOR2 was unfinished? I HADN'T NOTICED.

>Reputation systems are completely different from morality systems
Oh, god... now who's being a semantic faggot? You do good - you get a good reputation. Yes, you CAN be evil and have a good reputation, but that's still part of your fucking morality.

>Its the same fucking system.
The gameplay mechanics are the same. The system, and how it changes the story and the characters, is completely different. Gameplay mechanics =/= the whole morality system.

>Also, you must not videogame much if you dont know where all the good fps games are.
Okay, explain what you mean here, if it's not that Bioshock and Deus Ex aren't good FPS.

>> No.25775503


Oh, WOW. Jesus christ, I know people here have egos, but yours is just off the fucking charts.

You GOT THE IMPRESSION I don't know why /v/ likes the games? Kill yourself. Do this world a favor and save it from your condescending bullshit opinions. Ho-ly fuck you're conceited.

>> No.25775538

>>Your post sounds like you're from /v/, that means it's wrong.
see >>25775455
>That would be a really powerful argument if there wasn't actually a lot more equipment that was dark/light-side exclusive
Thats exactly my point, chief. They were clearly trying to make neutral a "third alignment track" of sorts, but they never went anywhere with it. It fit with the general theme of the game, though, which you apparently missed entirely.
>Also, really? KOTOR2 was unfinished? I HADN'T NOTICED.
Well you have proven yourself pretty thick thus far. Regardless, I doubt neutrality would have been developed more even with more dev time, but the evidence is there that they were toying with the idea of Grey/Neutral Jedi support.
>Oh, god... now who's being a semantic faggot?
Its a completely different mechanic. Morality forces an inherent good/evil on the land that reputation does not. For example, in ME2 blowing up the Geth Outpost is considered evil despite the fact that I find brainwashing an entire society and rewriting their very personality to be way more fucked up than simply killing them off. Reputation doesnt have the same judgmental gravitas that morality systems do, they just tell you where you stand in the world. They also rarely have stat bonuses and abilities tied to them, giving you more freedom to alter them and toy around with the world as you wish.
>The gameplay mechanics are the same
Actually, the gameplay between KOTOR1 and 2 changed way more than the actual morality system. And I would say morality actually has more weight in KOTOR 1 since it changes the entire ending of the game post-Bastila confrontation.
>if it's not that Bioshock and Deus Ex aren't good FPS.
You seem to think Bioshock and DX are the ONLY good fps games out there simply because /v/ told you as much. Theres plenty of other ones out there, even ones /v/ likes, too! Like Hard Reset, EYE, Metro, Stalker, and so on.

>> No.25775562

So you've never actually played Planescape:Torment, which played with the classic alignments and turned the inherent morality on its head and played them straight in interesting and immersive ways. And you're generalizing while pretending you're better than everyone who disagrees. Cool high-functioning autism bro, but people are entitled to their opinions and yours isn't any more right than anyone else's.

>> No.25775584

>Cool high-functioning autism bro
At least you admitted you were wrong in the end.

Seriously though, anyone who has to resort to crying autism is fucking retarded.

>> No.25775632


As opposed to anyone who has to resort to "I got the impression you were parroting someone else and didn't know what you were talking about"? Classy. Real fucking classy.

>> No.25775658

You cant really bitch about classiness when your solution to fixing WoW was to turn it into TOR.

>> No.25775697


You are all sixty flavors of retarded. I don't know where to begin.

>They were clearly trying to make neutral a "third alignment track"
More options is a bad thing now?
>Regardless, I doubt neutrality would have been developed more even with more dev time, but the evidence is there that they were toying with the idea of Grey/Neutral Jedi support.
Were they or weren't they, faggot? Did they reward neutrality or didn't they? And did they INTEND to reward neutrality or didn't they? You're all over the fucking map on this one.

>in ME2 blowing up the Geth Outpost is considered evil
Wow, are you retarded. It's not evil, numbnuts. Renegade =/= evil. How the fuck did you play through the whole game and not figure that one out?

>They also rarely have stat bonuses and abilities tied to them, giving you more freedom to alter them and toy around with the world as you wish.
Tell me what stat bonuses you get from being renegade or paragon in ME. Tell me what stat bonuses you get in P:T for being good/evil. And tell me about a million other games that are not star wars, where you get stat bonuses from morality.

>You seem to think Bioshock and DX are the ONLY good fps games out there simply because /v/ told you as much.
You're really gonna keep riding this train home, aren't you? Fine, YOU GOT ME. I'm from /v/. Now explain to me how that undermines my arguments in any way.

>> No.25775727


>You cant really bitch about classiness when your solution to fixing WoW was to turn it into TOR.
What. I don't even. What. You really are retarded, aren't you? GOOD/BAD BARS ARE NOT THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE A MORALITY SYSTEM, YOU FUCKING IMBECILE. Shit, how do you even remember to breathe?

>Morality systems are themselves stale and contribute nothing to a story.
>Yeah, but they at least make you kinda feel like you're roleplaying. Moreso than reading BLOCK OF TEXT NUMBER 3827530287, then going off and killing fifteen rats.

This was our original exchange. Explain to me where I mentioned anything about a black and white, A or B choice morality.

>> No.25775797

>More options is a bad thing now?
You really need to read the conversation more. I was the one advocating for a neutral alignment path and the other guy was calling me a dipshit for pointing out that Obsidian toyed with the idea.
>You're all over the fucking map on this one.
Except not really, you're just retarded. I said it was a good idea, but one they ultimately went nowhere with and I doubt dev time had anything to do with it since making a viable third morality track would merit a total reworking of the KOTOR morality system with bonus neutral-only powers and three neutral ascendant jedi classes like Lord/Master, Assassin/Watchman, and Destroyer/Weaponmaster
>Renegade =/= evil.
Not in ME1, no. ME2 and 3 it more or less directly translated into evil.
>Tell me what stat bonuses you get from being renegade or paragon in ME.
Your persuade/intimidate is directly tied to your paragon/renegade. You would have to be retarded to not notice this.
>P:T for being good/evil.
How can it turn morality on its head if there is no reward/punishment for it?
>And tell me about a million other games that are not star wars, where you get stat bonuses from morality.
Jade Empire, the entire Infamous series, Overlord 1 and 2 gives you bonuses depending on how you act, and the Fable series. I cant really think of any other morality games off the top of my head, excluding the Jedi Knight series since you hate Star Wars.
>Now explain to me how that undermines my arguments in any way.
It doesn't. I'm from /v/ too, I just also have my own opinions.
Alright then, what kind of supar sekrit speshul morality system would YOU use to suddenly make WoW not shit, then? And do you honestly think Blizzard would do anything other than the bare minimum required to advertise their brand new morality system?

>> No.25775956


>Not in ME1, no. ME2 and 3 it more or less directly translated into evil.
No. Not even fucking close. You're saving the motherfucking galaxy. It's an asshole path, and it's one where you kill more bad guys, but it's not EVIL.

>Your persuade/intimidate is directly tied to your paragon/renegade. You would have to be retarded to not notice this.
And you would have to be retarded to not notice that that is not a fucking stat bonus. That modifies the dialogues - you know, how the story and characters progress. The thing I have been advocating this entire discussion.

>How can it turn morality on its head if there is no reward/punishment for it?
Are you being serious right now? Why the fuck should there be a clear reward and punishment for moral choices in a game? Things turn out DIFFERENTLY depending on your morality. They don't turn out BETTER or WORSE for you.

>Jade Empire[...] since you hate Star Wars.
Fine. Some games have stat bonuses in their morality systems. Those morality systems suck, because they're encouraging you to act a certain way if you like playing a certain way. And I don't hate star wars, that's just your IMPRESSIONS talking. Again.

>It doesn't. I'm from /v/ too, I just also have my own opinions.
I am not from /v/. I said I was from /v/, because you wouldn't shut up about your IMPRESSIONS.

>> No.25775992


>Alright then, what kind of supar sekrit speshul morality system would YOU use
One where you don't get stat bonuses for your choices. All that your choices do is change how your character's story pans out, NOTHING else.

You want an example? Alpha Protocol. Morality and choice done fucking right. You're not lolgood or lolevil. You're manipulative/an asshole/a nice guy/etc.

Of course it's hard as fuck to do that. I'm not saying they should spend millions of dollars and have a huge team writing for years to come up with all the variables that Alpha Protocol has. But they CAN make a compelling watered-down version.

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