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Alright /tg/ let's see if you're as good as they say you are.
I need everything you have on medieval Russia. Pictures, facts, speculation, all welcome. In the mean time I'll bump with what little imagery I have.
Ready? Okay, GO!

>> No.25640838

Not enough? Fine, have more.

>> No.25640879

Eastern Europe except even moreso. Cold, shitty. Weak kings, strong nobles under him. Peasants were serfs, very little freedom. Golden Horde stretching across the taiga, merchants up in Novogorod, proto-russia in between. I think the significant cities of northern Russia were first founded by vikings.

>> No.25640966

Thank you kindly. Do you happen to know how much influence the church had compared to the Tsar?

>> No.25641024

Really, no. Best I have is some knowledge about Transylvania, Poland, Byzantium, and vikings, and extrapolating that eastward until they meet up.

I think for quite a while, proto-Russia (Muscowy and some related states,) was paying tribute to the Golden Horde to remain alive. I think that when they decided to stop doing that, the first few times, the mongols burnt down Moscow, the last/later times, mongols sieged the city and were killed by the winter.

This is all third hand though. Try wikipedia, maybe.

>> No.25641082

That would rather defeat the purpose of putting /tg/ to the test.

Any other takers? What tactics did they use? To save arguments, let's say primarily 12th-13th century as a focus.

>> No.25641111

Well, I've given all I can without going to look it up myself, which seems to not be your goal. Don't got anything more.

>> No.25641164

>medieval russia

Would be what year comrade?

>appanage period
>mongolian rule
>moscovite russia
>time of troubles

They were xenophobic, backwards people, trading furs from Archangel with the Swedes, importing religion from Byzantium, and warring along the steppes with middle eastern peoples.

>> No.25641182

Other guy here. All, please. I wish to be educated.

>> No.25641212


Sounds like a great setting for a roleplaying game. I know Russia less for the up-close-and-personal look, and more for its geopolitics.

For instance: Russia also made the claims of being a "third Rome" in terms of Christianity and the Roman Empire. With a huge enough ego they split the Russian Orthodox Church from the Eastern Orthodox Church, in a time where the latter and the influence of other Byzantine inheritors were weak. It successfully acquired a lot of prestige and influence, even if to my knowledge it never secured an undisputed claim to that.

>> No.25641221

>Do you happen to know how much influence the church had compared to the Tsar?
Technically, there were no tsars in medieval Russia. The first ruler to assume the title, Ivan III did so after marrying the niece of the last Byzantine emperor in 1470-80. By most accounts, the fall of Constantinople ended the medieval era in the Orthodox world, and the discovery of America in 1492 for the western world.

>proto-Russia (Muscowy and some related states,)
The word you're looking for is Kievan Rus.

General assorted facts that seem kinda cool.
1. in the earliest era of Rus, it bordered the Khazar Khaganate. The Khazars were Turkic nomads who settled down north of Caucasus. To the south, they bordered Byzantium and the Abbasid Caliphate, and sooner or later they had to choose whether they should convert to Christianity or Islam and gain one ally and make the enemy of the other power. They circumvented the choice by converting to Judaism. So, basically, around 600-900 you had an empire of Asiatic Jewish horse archers ruling south-eastern Europe. Pretty cool if you ask me. Defeating them was the first step on the path to greatness of Kievan Rus under Sviatoslav I of Kiev.
2. Later Kievan Rus was conquered by the Mongols, a lot of people were murdered in really creative ways and forced to pay tribute to the Great Khan. The titles of Khan and tzar were pretty much interchangable, so Genghis Khan was called Genghis Tzar sometimes. You can read about it on wikipedia, this is just basic stuff.

>> No.25641235

>how much influence the church had compared to the Tsar?

Almost always less.

The Eastern Orthodox Church never wielded power like the Catholic Church because it was only in 1 country and couldn't play its' members off one another.

Originally it was an extension of Greek monastaries into Kiev to bring literacy, carpentry, architecture, stone carving, painting, and other skills to the people as well as develop the land.

Eventually the Greeks had fallen enough out of powerful and the russian church gained enough independent power and distinct power (particularly as it developed a lot of frontier land even pressing into Siberia) that it split from the Greek Orthodox and there was nothing the Greeks could do about it.

As an example of how crazy-pious commoners became as well as their xenophobia, one of the Metropolitans (position which sometimes was high in the church as well, moscow became the center of church power and the romanovs reorganized the church/state positions a few time) tried to correct some mistaken practices of the church derived from mistranslated Greek texts...

>> No.25641270

3. Novgorod Veliky was one of the northern city states of the Kievan Rus that was too cold to be conquered by the Mongols (well it was more the general climate, as Mongols thrived in cold). While the rest of principalties were under the Tatar yoke, Novgorod thrived. They built a huge economy by exporting furs, and instituted a form of democracy where the boyars elected a mayor. At one point they occupied lands from Estonia to Urals, though it was sparsely populated. It was also a member of the Hanseatic League. It was in Novgorod that the oldest Slavic book, written north of Macedonia, and the oldest inscription in a Finnic language were unearthed.Then Muscovy arose by leveraging themselves against the Tatar khans until they became the dominant principality and waged war against Novgorod, razing it to the ground. Some say this is the last time Russia had a democracy.

>> No.25641287

for example, he said they had been crossing themselves with the wrong number of fingers, wanting to switch from two to three.

The peasants responded by becoming "old believers" who refused to practice the churches "new" ways, forming their own churches (resulting in a protestant-like priesthood of all believers) and calling this churchhead the antichrist. He was so reviled the czar replaced and exiled him.

On the flipside, church-leaders could greatly move the people. During the Time of Troubles Russia was invaded by both Sweden and Poland simultaneously. There was no functional Russian government at the time as who would succeed the previous czar was still being decided. The head of the church took charge and exorted the people to form militias. These efforts were successful and pious foreigner-hating russians mobbed up into motley armies which lost to the polish and swedish but were enough of a pain in their asses to get them to accept tribute and much of the land they'd already captured to stop their advance.

>> No.25641291 [DELETED] 

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and await spring. Drinking passed the time. [...]

>> No.25641352

>too cold to be conquered by the Mongols


Novgorod paid its' tribute to the mongols through Moscow, same as the rest.

Fun "what-if" history, if Novgorod had been the tribute-collector instead of Moscow then the character of Russia may've been much more cosmopolitan, egalitarian, and electoral instead of the authoritarian, repressive, xenophobic muscovite character it developed.

>All, please. I wish to be educated.

Jeez, read a history book if you want the full story.

Short summation

Way-back-when was Kiev which wasn't Russia though Russians insist it's where they're descended from. Its' location's more Ukranian than Russia. Kiev collapsed because its' succession laws split the land equally between every son, leading to the appanage period in which some princes had no lands.

Then come the mongols and finding the Kievans divided into bitesized armies have an easy time conquering them.

Sidenote: Fuck the mongols. They were not impressive. They're the most successful barbarians in history and they cost real civilizations development time while offering negligible contributions to mankind...

>> No.25641355

Here's some Russian folk heroes.

Here's some modernist painters who liked to paint scenes from medieval history and legend:

>> No.25641365

This is all very interesting and-what's that? You want some more? Very well, you people will bleed me dry.

>> No.25641368

Have a picture

Actually polish and didn't come to eastern slavs until, I think, 16th century

>> No.25641380

>fuck the mongols
It is my understanding that any russian has a frothing-at-the-mouth hatred of swedes and mongols.

>> No.25641387

>Novgorod paid its' tribute to the mongols through Moscow, same as the rest.
Yeah I corrected myself, also I never said they didn't pay tribute, just that they didn't get conquered militarily.

>> No.25641433

So the mongols are lazy savages and sit on their asses while telling a russian city (mostly and eventually only moscow) to gather their tribute for them.

Naturally, Moscow overtaxes its' peers and uses the excess to expand its' own power. This pattern continues until Moscow defeats its' last city-rival and rules all the Russian cities by its' own authority. Then there are decreasing payments to Mongols, dropping from smaller tribute gifts to an eventual, "fuck you" which the Mongols try to counter with an invasion which fails because they suck and can only defeat countries when they're weak.

> It is my understanding that any russian has a frothing-at-the-mouth hatred of swedes and mongols.

1) I'm not Russian.
2) Russians were very xenophobic compared to other Europeans or even asians for most of their history, despite trading some. On a realated note they were backwards, behind their peers in development for most of their history.
3) As mentioned, Sweden invaded Russia. Modern Russians probably don't harbor a special hatred.
4) Fuck mongols in general. They're hyped in history classes as these great conquerors when they were just lucky thugs with 15 minutes of detrimental accomplishments.

>> No.25641491

They also successfully trashed everything they encountered for decades.
They also set up a single, continent-spanning empire that was actually stable(!) in an era before the anything faster than horseriding couriers. [stable even for the duration of one ruler, at that scale, is absurd]
Stimulated East-west trade over the Silk Road
Helped prevent Poland from being the dominant power of the second millenium.

They weren't exactly gods, but you can't really dismiss them as "Oh, they're just overhyped." either.

>> No.25641501

>they didn't get conquered militarily.

Moscow and Novgorod fought and Novgorod fought other cities. I don't remember if Novgorod was besieged or occupied to finally include them. Surrendering peaceably would fit their character.

So Russia's free and it's Muscovite time.

Russia's trucking along for a while with rulers and changes I'll skip til IVAN!. Ivan was an ok-to-above-average ruler until his wife died. Then he decided the council he had personally appointed every member of to advise him was plotting against him. He founded a new branch of the government, secret police, and had the council dissolved. Some imprisoned, some exiled, some executed.

Then he grew suspicious of everyone else. Thousands of Russians were killed from all levels of society, from nobles to peasants. The secret police kept growing in size akin to modern intelligence agencies -no no, this isn't modern politics, happy thoughts...

So Ivan keeps killing, imprisoning, and exiling the random people he suspects are against him, their lovers, families, friends, debtors, making enemies where there were none, letting his thugs run loose, terrifying the country, and to no one's surprise this behavior fucks Russia up.

You still reading?

>> No.25641546

>not using this as your source of Russian history in the 21st Century

>> No.25641552

>You still reading?
Damn straight.

>> No.25641582

>They also successfully trashed everything they encountered for decades.

This counts against them.

A detrimental man is a savage who retards man's progression to his next milestone of achievement.

>They also set up a single, continent-spanning empire that was actually stable

They got a lot of people to pay them tribute.

As exemplified in Russia, they didn't do much in most of the land they supposedly ruled.

>Stimulated East-west trade over the Silk Road

Trade passed along that route for centuries before Ghengis Khan. Again, you're paying the mongols esteem they don't deserve.

>you can't really dismiss them as "Oh, they're just overhyped." either.

I don't just dismiss them. I hate them.

Other conquerors like Alexander the Great improved peoples they contacted, as evidenced by the artwork of Gandhara, India. The Greeks were so cultured that they improved their conquerors.

Mongols don't deserve respect; they've earned disdain.

>> No.25641587

>I don't remember if Novgorod was besieged or occupied to finally include them. Surrendering peaceably would fit their character.
The Mongols turned back in 1238 a few kilometers from the city for some reason. Novgorod submitted peacefully and started paying tribute, avoiding siege and sacking, which allowed it to prosper. That was the point I was trying to make, sorry if it wasn't clear enough.
>Helped prevent Poland from being the dominant power of the second millenium.
Sorry? Poland was a fractured shithole in 1240s and the main Mongol raid was the only one that did any lasting damage. The next one in 1300s didn't really do anything, Poland recovered from the appanage crisis in 1320s, and even paid some tribute for a while to the Mongols to avoid raids in that time. Its greatness, during the personal union with Lithuania, started in 1400s-1500s, and it was in fact the Mongol destruction of Kievan Rus that allowed it, creating a power vacuum.

>> No.25641618

>this hack
Superior source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8

>> No.25641628

>As exemplified in Russia, they didn't do much in most of the land they supposedly ruled.
Most of the words in Russian related to governance, from such basic terms as money all the way to "budget" come from Mongolian language.

>Other conquerors like Alexander the Great improved peoples they contacted
Yeah, just ask any Iranian. They might disagree. A little.

>> No.25641647

I was about to say...

>> No.25641662

Sounds like I have my history off. My bad.
Varna was against Ottomans, not Mongols. Right. I knew that.

>> No.25641675

The Time of Troubles continues into Sweden and Poland's invasion which I already described.

Things suck for a while because the country's really impoverished and it's some 2 centuries of rulers later (if memory serves) they're no longer struggling with finances.

Our next big game-changer is PETER THE GREAT.

Basically, he was an ubermensch. All contemporary accounts agree the guy was bursting with energy, curious about everything, learned new skills rapidly and was good at everything he set his hands too. He sounds like a mythic figure except foreigners who met him give the same accounts.

After surviving childhood assassinations he decided (rightly) Russia needed to catch-up to Europe and so enacted a radical reorganization of the government. It's kind of tragic but it also demonstrates the limitations of rulers that he couldn't jump start Russia as much as he wanted to but he still started building momentum for later rulers, opening Russia up much more to europeans, new ideas, industrialization, etc.

Fun story: He requested Britain send experts in shipbuilding to help Russia construct a Navy. Soon Peter had a Navy of modern build rivaling the UK's in size. The crown recalled its' specialists.

Peter also involved Russia in European wars and made Russia a presence in European politics.

>> No.25641709

>Peter the Great
Dude partied pretty hard too. Great job so far dude, I'm enjoying it.

>> No.25641714

You're an awesome guy for knowing that such a battle occured in the first place, so kudos to you. I know it because I'm Polish myself, it's impressive that any foreigners know. Though you're saying that it's a good thing that Poland didn't become the dominant power in eastern Europe, why?

>> No.25641758

>They might disagree.

It's not a matter of opinion it's a matter of fact. If you look at the artwork of Gandhara for example it's very reminiscent of the classical greek works which influenced it, whose practicioners helped train its' sculptors. It looks much better than its' contemporary southeast asian peers.

>Most of the words in Russian related to governance are mongolian


>rom such basic terms as money all the way to "budget"

The word for the tithe they paid was mongolian if that's what you're thinking of. How is that an accomplishment to brag about?

Thanks guy.

Knowing someone/s reading it is fuel for the ramble.

>> No.25641788

Wasn't saying it's a good thing, just a significant one. WWI wasn't a good thing, but by god was it significant to the 20th century.

I honestly have no idea how I confused Varna to be with the the mongols. I'm part kebab and have a passing interest in Eastern Europe.

>> No.25641820

OP here, I'm reading with interest. Just didn't want to interrupt.

>> No.25641833

So Russia continues modernizing, industrializing, becoming more involved in European affairs and European, and peaks in the mid-to-late 1800s, thousands of factories opening up, Rachmaninoff, Dostoyevsky, etc.

Here's the first phase of tragedy though. Revolutionaries in France and elsewhere set up a "reactionary" government in Russia and elsewhere. This means the trend towards greater freedom, prosperity, and development is reversed. Russification becomes emphasized in universities as czars try to return to the good old days of being isolated, backwards, and xenophobic.

The people are increasingly pissed by this oppression, becoming enemies to their rulers, assassinating one, and their rulers yield by freeing the serfs. But the serf-freeing deal varies by area and for many indebts them more heavily than they were as serfs (who were gaining rights to travel and pay their dues in cities) so civil unrest is reaching a peak, things'll get tragic...

It's a self-correcting problem.

Poland's aristocracy was too developed, impressive to Lithuanians but impoverishing their people and slowing their rate of development. This, combined with foolish designs like the invitation policy and forming laws with temporary councils which produce nothing if every decision isn't unanimous resulted in them losing authority to the point Russia, Prussia and Austria partitioned their land away.

If Poland was freer it'd be more prosperous and spread its' influence.

>> No.25641846


>Ilya Muromets, Alyosha Popovich, Dobrynya Nikitich

Interesting that every medieval city had own pantheon of fairy tale heroes, known as bogatyr (champions). They served as symbolical representation of main city strengths. For instance in Kievan cycle Ilya Muromets, most powerful of three champs, represents power of prosperous peasantry - source of riches in times of peace and the back of army during wars. Dobrynya Nikitich stays for town folk and Alyosha Popovich represents a free farmers class.

Great Novgorod champions are different. Most 'powerful' one Sadko is a knight-merchant, analogue of Sindbad from arabic tales, his main powers were enormous pushfulness and charisma. Second one is Vasily Buslaev, represents numerous varangian mercenaries and river pirates of latter Republic times - ushkuiniks, from private armies of merchant families. He's basically antihero, asshole, who may easily kill a mere citizen of Novgorod just of pure boredom - but still he's quite handy in times of actual danger. The last one, Gavrilo Aleksich, is basically analogue of Dobrynya Nikitich and stays for free city residents.

>> No.25641850


>caring about Poland

Jesus man, dedicate yourself to learning about a country with more in it than horses and clay farmers.

>> No.25641893

Brace urself b/c here's where you'll probably hate me and regret reading my summation but I call it like I see it, not as is inoffensive to popular sensibilities.

Despite its' rulers trying to regress, Russia rolled on, again demonstrating a ruler isn't powerful enough to overcome the whole people, but romantacism, the notion that life was somehow better pre-industrialization by ignoring all the sucky parts and using your imagination to bullshit was catching on as was populism.

You see, in Russia peasants had long commonly been organized in Communes. You didn't pay directly to your lord, you paid to the commune which paid to the Lord. This method spread risk across farms, allowed farmers to work whichever field/s had the best harvest, decreased the peasants a lord would have to check on, made the peasants self-enforce their slavery on their peers, etc.

Romantics/populists, who were notably from wealthier classes and intelligentsia, praised an idealized version of the peasant commune and thought it should be the basic unit for all russian government, life, etc. as it best represented the russian soul.

Enter onto the scene foreign jew "Lenin". The story ends here if you don't want to get modern, conspiratorial or "anti-semetic"...

>> No.25641897

What, like Venice?

>> No.25641941

I've got this, some epic art.

>> No.25641949


>> No.25641988

>foreign jew "Lenin"
Er... Simbrisk seems to be pretty Russian to me, and I'm not finding any suggestions that Lenin was Jewish.

>" Lenin had suggested that Trotsky take the position of Chairman of the Council—the head of the Soviet government—but Trotsky refused on the grounds that his Jewishness would be controversial, and he took the post of Commissar for Foreign Affairs instead.[97] Thus Lenin became the head of government in Russia." [wikipedia]
Seems to imply that he was anything but.

>> No.25641990

Fuck you Poland has a rich and interesting history

Poland stronk

>> No.25641994

Poland was important back-in-the-day.

It's definitely important in Russian history. What oh-so-important country do you recommend instead?

It's complicated but I'll give you the gist.

There were a bunch of revolutions going on in Russia simultaneously. Bolshevik leadership was foreign jews like Lenin and Trotsky funded by the same bankers who backed Karl Marx. The communist manifesto says every nation must have a central bank. Karl Marx wrote a paper, "The Jewish Question" in which he said jews would only attain rights equal to Christians in Christian nations if they ceased to be Christian nations. Communism requires atheism.

Back to Russia specifically, Lenin fails initially and runs like a pussy but after other people do his work for him he comes back to take over. The Russian czars inexplicably bitch out, I suppose trying to appease their people, and soldiers and cops surprisingly defect to the revolutionairies instead of enforcing Czar rule. Some influence/s are turning loyalties from the leader in a manner which didn't occur under Ivan the Terrible.

Bolsheviks gain control of Moscow, kill all their rivals, and harm Russians more than anyone in the past. They lose to Poland at first but since Poland makes the mistake of trusting jews, they're conquered later when the bolsheviks have defeated the other armies arrayed against them.

Russia drops from the highest peak it reached to its' lowest depths. A great tragedy in human history. The End.

>> No.25642007

I'll start dumping some units from Dominions 3's Bogarus.
>The Druzhina are the prince's personal guards. The Malaia Druzhina is composed of trusted members of the Druzhina who have proven themselves to their lord. The Malaia Druzhina use heavy armor and lances.

>> No.25642020

>The Voi are tribal levies of the empire. They are simple commoners and none too eager to fight, but are coerced into military service by their princes.

>> No.25642025

>The Black Hoods are steppe nomads from the fringes of the empire, serving the princes with their skill as horse archers. They get their name from their visored black helmets.

>> No.25642026

>This, combined with foolish designs like the invitation policy and forming laws with temporary councils which produce nothing if every decision isn't unanimous resulted in them losing authority
Well to be fair, it became the largest state in Europe while having these laws. It was outside factors, like lesser dependence of western countries on Polish-grown wheat (it used to be a breadbasket of Europe) and imports of massive wealth from the New World that made it weak and prone to outside meddling in the latter half of XVIIth century. In XVIth it was one of the most socially modern countries in Europe*, it was only later that it's become complacent and in dire need of reform.

*Seriously, nobility formed 10% of the population and they all had a vote. Religious tolerance was guaranteed by a statutory law - it was pretty much the only country with Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and Muslims all living together in peace, along with small sects like Antitrinitarians who were exiled from almost every country in Europe. And Muslim Tatar leaders had the same noble status as Christian ones. (note that this is about XVIth century, later it turned into being more Catholic than the pope, again, for various reasons).

>> No.25642031


His mother was jewish. It's counted matrilinally.

The wikipedia article reads,

>Lenin's father, Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov, was the fourth child of impoverished tailor Nikolai Vassilievich Ulyanov – born a serf of either Kalmyk or Tatar descent – and a far younger Kalmyk named Anna Alexeevna Smirnova, who lived in Astrakhan. Ilya escaped poverty by studying physics and mathematics at the Kazan State University, before teaching at the Penza Institute for the Nobility from 1854.[1] Introduced to Maria Alexandrovna Blank, they married in the summer of 1863.[2] From a relatively prosperous background, Maria was the daughter of a Russian-Jewish

>> No.25642034

>The Druzhina are the prince's personal guards. The Grid Druzhina are young members of the Druzhina who have not yet proven themselves. The Grid Druzhina use bows and medium armor. Only when they have fought several battles are they allowed to join the Malaia Druzhina, the heavily armed elite guard.

>> No.25642043

I guess that's so, then. But foreigner?

>> No.25642044


Lenin was of finno-ugric ancestry. It is known.

>> No.25642050

>The Peshtsi are the regular infantry of Bogarus. Peshtsi city guards receive training in castle defence and use swords instead of axes or spears.

>> No.25642060

>The Styags are Black Hood banner bearers armed with light lances and bows. They are given heavier armor then the other Black Hoods.

>> No.25642069

>Enter onto the scene foreign jew "Lenin".
wut. He was part Tatar, that's for sure. But even the most anti-semitic right wingers don't say he was Jewish though, there's plenty actual Jews in the communist party for them to complain about.

>> No.25642071

>The Khlysty are religious fanatics who mutilate and whip their bodies bloody. The movement of the Khlysty is a secretive one and the members practice their bloody rituals where they are not openly seen. But the Khlysty are actively proselytizing and they often form small bands that travel into enemy lands and preach the word of God, often scaring the locals rather than converting them. A province that contains Khlysty suffers from unrest. Many Khlysty have mutilated bodies and suffer from various ills.

>> No.25642078

These don't seem like very nice units.

Unless they're stealthed or something, and you can park them in enemy provinces.

>> No.25642079

He didn't grow up in Russia and he's from a foreign people.

It's not just him though. During the revolutions in Russia the USA seized the trans-siberian railroad, preventing counter-bolshevik or Japanese forces from capturing it, and turned it over to the Bolsheviks.


>> No.25642082

>The Veliki Knyaz, a Grand Prince, is the highest ranking noble of the land. Before the coming of the New God, the Grand Princes fought each other for dominance, but now they have turned to a common cause under the advice of their Eparchs.

>> No.25642095

The hell? Didn't the US intervene on the white russian side?

>> No.25642110

They're cheap and stealthy, so there's that. A bunch of them parked in an enemy province will fuck with their income If you're going for a bless strategy (units marked as sacred can get certain buffs) they're pretty good
>The Skoptsy, or Castrated Ones, are the cult leaders of the Khlysty. To be able to communicate with the Awakening God, they have performed the first seal on themselves, the removal of the fruits of sin. This means having his testes, or in the case of a woman, her breasts, removed. The Skoptsy are stealthy and cause unrest like the Khlysty. They lead the bloody ceremonies of the Khlysty and some of them even go as far as to dabble in Blood magic to prove the might of the Awakening God.

>> No.25642128

>The Eparchs are the highest ranking priests of the reformed faith. They are the chief administrators of the great temples and rarely venture far from their city. By being close to one of the Grand Princes, the Eparchs often gather enormous wealth and influence. They rarely care to follow armies and strictly adhere to the doctrine that military might is for kings and spiritual power for the priests. Thus they never lead armies.

>> No.25642136

Some loans and support was given by different groups to different sides.

Even "white russians" weren't a singular force. There were separate armies to the north and south.

Basically, no one wanted Bolshevik rule but they were ruthlessly evil and helped by foreigners so they eventually won.

The USA helped the bolsheviks greatly at the American peoples expense through the lend-lease acts, specialist to train replacements for the foremen the bolsheviks murdered, etc.

If it weren't for foreign aid including the USA, the USSR would never had existed. It's one of the clear demonstrations in history that the USA was a puppet of the families which own the Federal Reserve, acting in the interest of spreading central banks to other countries rather than the interests of the American people.

>> No.25642146

>In the great cities of Bogarus many magical traditions are flourishing under the protection of the princes. In the palaces of the princes, mages are trying to accomplish one of the oldest of mankinds goals: The transformation of base metals into gold. The alchemists of Bogarus are generally wealthy and serve the princes only when amply paid. Alchemists gain a 50 percent bonus when making gold with alchemy.

>> No.25642167

>Self-mutilation is widely respected among the Khlysty, but few go as far as the Fivefold Angels. The Fivefold Angel is a Khlyst priest that has passed all five seals and mutilated his body utterly, to recreate his body in the image of an angel. The flesh and skin of their backs are torn and spread with wooden spines to resemble wings. Their hands are cut off to inspire faith and they refuse to use weapons. Instead, their faith prevents them from taking harm and anyone attacking them will be hurt himself. The Fivefold Angels travel into foreign lands to set up secret Khlyst cults and inspire faith and disorder. All Fivefold Angels have skills in Blood magic.

>> No.25642174

>In the great cities of Bogarus many magical traditions are flourishing under the protection of the princes. In the palaces of the princes, mages are trying to unravel the means to foresee the future by observing how and where lightning strikes. Astrapelagists are convinced that the means to predict the future lies here, not in distant lands.

>> No.25642180

>In the great cities of Bogarus many magical traditions are flourishing under the protection of the princes. In the palaces of the princes, mages are trying to unravel the means to foresee the future through observation of the stars and the making of calendars. Some kalendologists have traveled to far T'ien Ch'i and Arcoscephale to unveil the secrets buried there, sponsored by princes eager to own the means to predict the future.

>> No.25642191


>They were ruthlessly evil

Everyone is ruthlessly evil in Russia. Russia has always been ruthlessly evil. Russia is BAD at behaving good. The White Russians were ruthlessly evil aristocrats while the bolsheviks were ruthlessly evil peasants. There's no difference.

>> No.25642197

>The rusalka is the spirit of a young woman who committed suicide by drowning herself after being scorned by her lover. She must now haunt the waterway where she took her life. The rusalka has the appearance of a young, pale and beautiful naked woman with green eyes and green, perpetually wet hair. The rusalka is not necessarily malevolent, but she likes living men and will come out of the water at night to climb a tree and sit there singing and combing her hair, anticipating unwary wanderers she can snare with her songs. Handsome passersby will be invited to join her in singing and dancing and will be brought into the watery abode of the rusalka. The rusalka has some skills in Water and Death magic and is able to bring her companions with her under the waves.

>> No.25642200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVX7TX5FgwU and other videos of the Imperial Bank are fucking fantastic.
>They never defeated the mongols.
>And their fathers never defeated the mongols.
>And grandfathers never held victory over the mongols.
>And they knew it was impossible to defeat the mongols.
>Dmitry Donskoy

>> No.25642212

>The Lady Midday is a malign spirit of the noon. She appears as a young girl surrounded by whirling dust and armed with a scythe that stinks of disease. Sometimes she will stop people and ask them a question. Failure to answer results in her displeasure and she will use her scythe to disease or chop off the head of the victim.

>> No.25642221


There were peasant white russians and the bolsheviks were led by intelligentsia.

It is entirely different. No other faction tried to kill all its' political rivals like the bolsheviks did nor had any czar, even Ivan, been as insane and horrible a ruler as the jews like Lazar Kaganovich proved to be.

>> No.25642225

There were also greens and blacks(Or something like that, anarchy lovers)

>> No.25642235

God, every time I read this description it makes me squirm.

>> No.25642238


>It's entirely different

No, it was kettle and pot bashing each others heads in and pot won.

>> No.25642245

>The vodyanoy is a water spirit that resembles a man with the lower parts of a fish. It is covered in black fish-scales, algae and mud. Vodyanoy generally dislike humans and can only be coerced into servitude with the aid of magic. They are powerful users of Water magic, but cannot leave the water.

>> No.25642263

>I describe how it's different
>you have no counter argument and ignore what I say

You certainly fail at debating like a jew.

>> No.25642266

>The vila is a powerful female spirit of the wild. The mountain vila appears as a naked woman mounted on a stag. Her beauty is only marred by her hooved feet and anyone rude enough to mention this fact will be struck down or cursed for the rest of his life. The mountain vila can fascinate and lure men into servitude with her spellsongs and otherworldly beauty. She has the power to give and take health and is a powerful mage of Nature.
Don't comment on her shapely doe legs

>> No.25642269

Speaking of military tactics it's safe to say that prior 8th century warriors of east slav tribes used mostly Scandinavian manner of fight (shieldwall etc).

After the beginning of diplomatic relations with East Romans their manner of fight is predominantly Byzantine (in shielded formations they start to use spears instead of axes/swords, rise the role of heavy cavalry etc).

After the Mongolian invasion tactics becomes a pure mongolian, composite bows and asian armor designs are introduced and everyone use them - from the footmen to the cataphracters.

It stays the same till the musket times when Peter makes everything European.

>> No.25642271

Don't forget they're eunuchs too!

(Though apparently if they were female, they just have their breasts cut off.)

>> No.25642281

I wouldn't think of it.
>ideas for fey encounters for my Pathfinder group simmering gently now

>> No.25642297

>The Likho is a crone of misfortune. She appears as an one-eyed old hag in dark robes. Her mere presence will cause ill fortune and misery. Her evil eye will curse those she gazes upon.

>> No.25642301


And you're going full /pol/. Never go full /pol/. Because going full /pol/ makes you ignored, meaning you don't get any of your precious counter-arguments.

>> No.25642307

Oh I keep that well in mind.

I don't know why, but it's the hands cut off along with the...'Wings' that combine to give me the heebie jeebies.

>> No.25642309

Why does everyone skip over the fact that Lenin overthrew a democratic government and not the tzar?

Also, thank you Russian history guy, but it's really not a wonder why so much of the communist party was jews (starts with pog and ends with rom). If it makes you feel better, the communist party ended up really persecuting jews too.

>> No.25642326

>The vila is a powerful female spirit of the wild. The cloud vila appears as a naked, winged woman with cloud-like hair. Her beauty is only marred by her hooved feet and anyone rude enough to mention this fact will be struck down or cursed for the rest of his life. The cloud vila can fascinate and lure men into servitude with her spellsongs and otherworldly beauty. She has the power to give and take health, but is also a powerful mage of the Air who wields the lightning and rides the storms. The cloud vila is not as skilled in healing as the mountain vila.
Tsundere vs Mountain Vila's Yandere

>> No.25642335

Yeah, the hands-cutting-off and wings are definitely the number one evil-vibe.

>> No.25642359

I don't think there's anybody 'good' in Dominions, but it strikes me as the creepiest god damn thing to imagine walking in to my front door.

>> No.25642367

>The gamayun is a magical half-woman, half-bird of Rus. It has the head and chest of a woman and the body and lower parts of a bird. It is a bird of wisdom and prophesy, gifted with the knowledge of saints. It has magical skills as well as prophetic ones and is sometimes summoned to reveal magical secrets.

>> No.25642373

Well, I mean, there are the nephelim. And Ry'leh. And ermor, and...

I don't actually play, but my brother tells me about it.

>> No.25642397

Late-Age Ermor, I meant.

>> No.25642408

Wacky Russians. I always knew they were too close to Japan for their own good.

>> No.25642417

>Hi, are you feeling down in life? Trying to find meaning and reason? How would you like to hear the gospel of Svarog, the Bloodlusting Lord? Guaranteed to bring your health and prosperity!

>> No.25642432

>The Leshiy is a guardian of forests. In the heart of its forest it takes the appearance of a huge man with grayish-green skin, covered in lichen, grass and vines. A single horn grows from his forehead and his feet are hooved. If he leaves his forest he will shrink and become smaller and smaller and lose much of his magical powers. While inside a forest, the Leshiy is able to shapeshift into a great bear covered in moss and lichen.

>> No.25642443

We need a drawfag in here, stat

>> No.25642452

Can Serfs be considered Human?

>> No.25642457

Five Fold Jehovah's Witnesses? I just threw up in my mouth a little.


>> No.25642460

I think we're supposed to.

At least, that's what they keep yammering on about. I don't know, I never pay them any attention.

>> No.25642476

Why not?

>> No.25642478


When discussing different ways of running governments, it really should be noted that the early 1900:ies were an age of political upheavel. Communism was a fresh idea that really appealed to the working masses. Likewise lots of people thought fascism was a grand idea. Back then people didn't have the same clear idea we have today of what a "democratic government" is.

Kerensky had a shitty hand to play with. It happens.

>> No.25642520

I'm aware. It's just a population misconception that Lenin overthrew the tzar, when he actually overthrew the luckless Kerensky and the provisional (democratic) government.

>> No.25642566

>The White Russians were ruthlessly evil aristocrats while the bolsheviks were ruthlessly evil peasants. There's no difference.
I remember reading some novel where a peasant says that the only difference is that Whites will execute your entire village by hanging and the Reds by firing squad.
I like Whites though, they definitely had swag.

That's a good educated guess but it's still just a guess. Horse archery was very popular before the Mongols came, due to influence of other nomads like Pechengs and Cumans. And there were firearms formations before Peter, like Streltsy.

>> No.25642676

Thank you, Dominionsbro.

>> No.25643339

>implying today we have a clear idea of what a democratic government is

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>> No.25644460

I'm Russian and should be offneded by those guys but after so much 40k Ifind it fun, any advice on where I can read about other nations armies from that game?

Or lets invent more crazy units for Russia?

>> No.25644482

>secret Khlyst cults
how the fuck can you be seret with a body like that?

>> No.25644508

Cold. Also dark

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