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25596376 No.25596376 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Why do Orcs speak Giant and Common, but Goblins get their own entire god damn language?

>> No.25596449

>>25596376
>orcs -4 Int
>goblins no int penalty

Goblins are smart. Not geniuses, but they're not retards either

>> No.25596632
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>>25596449

Still though. STILL.

Why Giant?

>> No.25596646

>Guys, in this campaign Orcs have their own language instead of speaking Giant or Common.
Fuck, that was hard.

>> No.25596783

>>25596632
A wizard did it

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>>25596646
HOW DID YOU MANAGE SUCH AN ASTOUNDING LEAP OF LOGIC?!

>> No.25596904

>>25596646
I know, right? Next somebody will come up with a plan on how to make elfs and dwarfs not hate each other.

>> No.25596933

>>25596904
>Guys, in this campaign elves and dwarves have an alliance against orcs.

>> No.25596949

>>25596904
Turn in your beard you elf-loving faggot.

>> No.25596985

Goblin have a language because they aren't stupid.
Giant is a generic evil of the mountain cretures language that is called giant because giants are the strongest of said creatures.

>> No.25597103

>>25596985
Yeah Giant is like the 'common' of nasty mountain fuckers. AKA it's Fantasy Hillbilly tongue.

>> No.25597142

>>25596632
Giants are dumb too, their language is simple and easy to understand. Lots of grunting.

>> No.25597150

>>25596904
Elves and dwarves are a single species with extreme sexual dimorphism.

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>>25596376
Orcs are midland raiders that interact with both giants and common races enough that knowing both languages serves them better than having their meanwhile goblins are fucking insane and always preoccupied with doing their own thing.

>> No.25597224

There's also multiple Golbinoid species, but only one for orcs.

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>>25596632
>Why Giant?
Giants live in the mountains.
Humans live in the cities.
Orcs live everywhere in between.

>> No.25597292

>>25597150
The enmity is caused by females that aren't in heat being rabid femnazis

>> No.25597354

>>25596376
They don't in every edition. Next time you should specify the edition & setting, as Faerun orcs aren't Greyhawk orcs.

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25597427

>>25597150
I got a picture for that.
>>25597292
Or because they have different environments. The elves get the meat for steaks and make the booze, the dwarves spend all day mining for steel to make better gear for their wives and looking for precious gems to give the elves as appreciation for the mead.

Its why dwarves have a fondness for alcohol despite never having the land to make it and how elves always have mastercrafted weapons and elegant jewelry despite never once setting foot in a mine or a forge.

>> No.25597538

>>25597292
>>25597427
I am torn between those two explanations.

But whenever you hear an elf say "dwarves, hmph" that is like a human female saying "men, hmph"

... this can be stretched quite amusingly with the party's elfs/dwarves not "getting" human genders during first encounter

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>>25597427
That is actually pretty awesome.

>> No.25597830

>>25597427
>>25597538

I like this explanation the best, since all /tg/ cares about are sexy female elves, and manly beardly dwarves. So they should be one in the same, both creatures or spirits of the Earth.

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>>25597427

That picture is absolutely adorable.

>> No.25598070
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25598070

>Why do Orcs speak Giant and Common, but Goblins get their own entire god damn language?
As far as I know, that's only the case with 4e. I believe that all previous editions had orcish. With that said, furthering the process of language consolidation that 3e started is, I think, a good thing. When there are too many languages, there are too many times that too many people can't communicate, and the language barrier just ends up getting ignored. With a smaller, more manageable number of languages, it becomes more feasible to actually use them as intended. With this in mind, the reason goblins have their own language while orcs don't is that there are a number of goblinoid races, but only one orcish race.

>> No.25598113

>>25597830
mfw male elves are actually DFC females of the elf/dwarf species who are mistaken for males by silly humans.

>> No.25598122

>>25598070
the stupid thing is that they name the languages after the races.

Languages should be related to a region, and spoken by all humanoids of that region.

>> No.25598124

>>25598070
So Goblin is more like a language group that is kinda mutually intelligible? Slavic languages, ahoy?

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>> No.25598164

>>25598124
I hobgoblins, bugbears and goblins interact enough that they pretty much have to speak the same language. But maybe hobgoblins have snooty English accents, while bugbears sound like rednecks.

>>25598122
That's kind of an interesting point. Maybe they don't mix enough to assimilate? Like Mexican immigrants into the US, if they kept to themselves other than raiding and looting nearby towns.

>> No.25598168

>>25598070
Or the DM could just houserule a common trade tongue(oh wait that's common), or anyone can just put 1 skill point into speak language to speak the party's tongue

>> No.25598174

>>25598168
it costs 2 points (cross class) per language in 3e

>> No.25598206

>>25598174
Not only that, but it's not like every race the party encounters is just holding onto some skill points so they can speak what the party is speaking.

>> No.25598291

>>25598206
the vast majority speak common in addition to their local language.

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25598350

Bump

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>>25598350

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>>25598367

>> No.25598389

>>25598350
Don't mind if I do... bow chika wow wow
>>25598367
dawww

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>>25598418
I'm runing out of work safe pics

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>>25598426

>> No.25598504

>>25598291
I think there is a more interesting solution to the language issue than "everybody speaks common, so you can pretty much ignore languages." By keeping the list of languages small, you make each language a real thing. And between common and the other languages the PCs know, you can communicate most of the time without much trouble. But occasionally, it's a barrier, and that can be interesting. At least until the point where your casters can toss around the appropriate spells like they were nothing.

>> No.25598656

>>25598426
I'm not seeing the problem.

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>>25598656
Fine then, I found them here anyway

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>>25598682

>> No.25598705

>>25598691
>>25598682

No idea why this seems so fucking delicious. That'd be a wild ride.

>> No.25598710

>>25598691
proceed

>> No.25598712

>>25598691
That is it?!

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>>25598691
HE shall be snu snu'd by the most beautiful women of all. THEN the large women! THEN the petite women!

>> No.25598757

>>25598691
Next time I make a half-orc, this is going to be his backstory...

Wait, are there any rules for half-orc-half-elves in 3.5 or 4e?

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>> No.25598767

>>25598504
I agree, I just wanted to point out that the official solution is "everyone speaks common + racial language".

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>> No.25598777

>>25598757
elfork... El Fork... they are called "forks" for short by the other kids.

dwarf orc hybrids btw are called dorks.

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>>25598782

>> No.25598801

>>25597292
Why assume male = dwarf? Could be other way around -- ugly, short, bearded females and skinny, weak, effiminate males.

>> No.25598817

>>25598721
And they all look the same

>> No.25598826

>>25598801
because of the sheer amount of half-elves around

>> No.25598882

>>25598826
they are so common they are considered their own species...
Although I would say that depending on the gender of the child a elf-human pairing would produce half dwarves and half elves. Same for a human-dwarf pairing.

>>25598801
Rule of sexy, but more then that, personality. Elven stereotype personality is more feminine by human standards.

Although admittedly rule of funny works in your favor.

>> No.25598969

>>25598882
Agreed on the half-elves and half-dwarves depending on gender thing. Which would be hillarious if the human dad gets a half-dwarf child without knowing about the racial dimorphism beforehand because the mom assumed it was common knowledge and never told him.

how to make all rules work in your favor? have two subspecies, one where the males are the elves and one where the females are the elves. Ofc a female elf needs a male dwarf to produce a viable fetus and vice verca. But yeah, the amount of half elves around suggests a lot of rule of sexy in effect.

>> No.25599021

>>25598969
>Agreed on the half-elves and half-dwarves depending on gender thing. Which would be hillarious if the human dad gets a half-dwarf child without knowing about the racial dimorphism beforehand because the mom assumed it was common knowledge and never told him.
Yes, I was thinking this very thing.
>Elf: Look honey, our son!
>Man: Vein throbs... OUR son!
>Elf: Oh darling he has your eyes!
>Man: He also has a BEARD!
>Elf: Oh yes, all dwarf (elf/dwarf word for male) babies are born with a beard.
>Man: DWARF BABY!
>Elf: D.. Darling why are you yelling.

>> No.25599035

>>25598969
> the amount of half elves around suggests a lot of rule of sexy in effect.
Or how willing male humans are to "indulge" an elf that has gone into heat.

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25599066

I hate non-humans so much

REMOVE ORC REMOVE ORC

>> No.25599099

>>25599066
thats because you are boring

>> No.25599173

>>25596646
It's still reasonable to ask why the default is as it is. Seeing as your answer is 'Well they should have their own language after all so I suggest making it so"

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>>25599099
remove orc remove orc
you are worst orc. you are the orc idiot you are the turk smell. return to mordor. to our middle-earth cousins you may come our contry. you may live in the zoo....ahahahaha ,mordor we will never forgeve you. cetnik rascal fuck but fuck asshole orc stink mordor sqhipere shqipare..orc genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead orc..ahahahahahmordor we will get you!! do not forget war of rings , minas tirith we kill the king , angmar return to your precious carn durn....hahahahaha idiot orc and uruk-hai smell so bad..wow i can smell it. remove orc from the premises. you will get caught. humans+elfs+dwarf+hobbits=kill orc...you will war of rings/ bombadil alive in minas tirith, bombadil making album of minas tirith . fast rap bombadil minas tirith. we are rich and have gold now hahahaha ha because of bombadil... you are ppoor stink orc... you live in a hovel hahahaha, you live in a yurt

bombadil alive numbr one #1 in gondor....fuck the mordor ,..fuckk ashol orcs no good i spit? in the mouth eye of ur flag and contry. bombadil aliv and real strong wizard kill all the orc farm aminal with rap magic now we the gondor rule .ape of the zoo presidant aragon fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and mordor wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. gondor greattst countrey

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>>25599099
remove orc remove orc
you are worst orc. you are the orc idiot you are the orc smell. return to mordor. to our middle-earth cousins you may come our contry. you may live in the zoo....ahahahaha ,mordor we will never forgeve you. cetnik rascal fuck but fuck asshole orc stink mordor sqhipere shqipare..orc genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead orc..ahahahahahmordor we will get you!! do not forget war of rings , minas tirith we kill the king , angmar return to your precious carn durn....hahahahaha idiot orc and uruk-hai smell so bad..wow i can smell it. remove orc from the premises. you will get caught. humans+elfs+dwarf+hobbits=kill orc...you will war of rings/ bombadil alive in minas tirith, bombadil making album of minas tirith . fast rap bombadil minas tirith. we are rich and have gold now hahahaha ha because of bombadil... you are ppoor stink orc... you live in a hovel hahahaha, you live in a yurt

bombadil alive numbr one #1 in gondor....fuck the mordor ,..fuckk ashol orcs no good i spit? in the mouth eye of ur flag and contry. bombadil aliv and real strong wizard kill all the orc farm aminal with rap magic now we the gondor rule .ape of the zoo presidant aragon fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and mordor wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. gondor greattst countrey

>> No.25599196

>>25599066
REMOVE MEATBAG!

NO FUN! NO FUN BECAUSE OF HUMAN!

>> No.25599205

>>25599066
I hate that animu art style so much. Look at how well-detailed and proportioned everything about that character is, and then just suddenly a stupid face that makes no anatomical sense.

>> No.25599209

>>25598757
Half-orcs are more defined by the orc half.
Be it half human, elf, or halfing they'll all get the same treatment and more or less grow up the same.

Dwarfs can't breed with other races, except MAYBE humans and dragons.
Which is bullshit, they just say that because half-dwarfs always go full dwarf culturally.

>> No.25599220

>>25599205
Animu style often, if not always, makes the picture terrible.

IMO.

>> No.25599221

>>25599194
>sqhipere shqipare
Ya blew it. 7/10 apply yourself.

>> No.25599270

>>25598757
There was the "Races of Consequence" pdf download. That had rules for half-breeds of pretty much every core race in 3.5.

Dwelf (Human/Elf)
Dweoven (Dwarf/Human)
Earthtouched (Dwarf/Half-Elf)
Elome (Elf/Gnome)
Gnomesti (Gnome Half-Elf)
Gnomling (Gnome/Halfling)
Hilling (Dwarf/Halfling)
Lenneb (Human/Gnome)
Lillalee (Halfling/Half-Elf)
Lillichildren (Halfling/Human)
Mungrel (Half-Elf/Half-Orc)
Peatfolk (Gnome/Half-Orc)
Powrie (Halfling/Half-Orc)
Sloth (Dwarf/Half-Orc)
Stoneborn (Dwarf/Gnome)
Sylindy (Elf/Halfling)
Thang-Agar (Elf/Half-Orc)

Now you too can stat out your bard's more normal bastard offspring!

>> No.25599307

>>25598789
This artist is awful. After so many ears he (she?) hasnt improved at all.

>> No.25599354

>>25599307
those ears are sexy. I don't know what is wrong with you.

>>25599270
Those are all wrong. Dwelf = Human/elf? What?
Dweoven = dwarf/human? huh?

>> No.25599438

>>25599270
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5888196/Bastards-And-Bloodline

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Orc dump?

Orc dump.

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>>25599493
>allofthe currents

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>>25599500
>endthats sadducees

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>>25599505
>view holockay

okay, I'm pretty sure my captcha is trying to say something, probably anti-semitic...

>> No.25599517

>>25599505
That sword will likely break the first time it hits something. People who draw these things really should learn a thing or two about physics and how it applies to blades.

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>>25599540
>taken ideindi

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>> No.25599564

>>25596376
Does anyone have source on OP's image? Please?c

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>>25599569

>> No.25599575

Ey guys, what about if we say that orcs and giants are related?

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>> No.25599602

My players always refer to Goblin as "Shit-Common". Doesn't seem far off the mark.

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>>25599621
And that's it. Finishing with a reminder of what the Elder Scrolls player base really believes.

>> No.25601176

> implying goebblesque isn't a languagr shares by all goblinesque races, including orcs.

>> No.25601192

>>25596376
Because orcs and humans are subspecies of giant.

>> No.25601780

>>25599035
And who do you think will be more likely to find willing male humans, the slender, feminine one with long flowing hair and graceful movement or the short, squat beardy one?

Hence my assumption that the elves would be the females.

>> No.25602171

>>25598350
I've seen that pic posted here so many god times I can no longer get a boner from it.

>> No.25602479

>>25601780
Hey man, any port in a storm.

>> No.25602549

>>25599517
i dont know, the thing looks kinda fuckin thick. i mean we arnt talking cutting here, that thing just breaks your face

>> No.25602595

>>25602549
>a club forged to look like a blade
Now thats some brutal cunning.

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>>25602595
>Folded a thousand times over!

>> No.25604205

>>25602479
True, but the port you'd visit on a sunny day as well still gets more visitors than the one you'd only visit in a storm.

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>>25603166

Superior european clubs.

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>>25603166
>>25604244
But neither of those look like swords.

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>>25599194
What the flip did thee just flipping gabble about me, thine miniscule bitch? I’ll have thee know I bested the most prestigious jousting class in the whole of Camelot, and I hath been involved in numerous secret marches on behalf of his Majesty, King Arthur, and I hath over 300 confirmed victories on horseback. I am trained in castle of Guerrilla warfare and I am indeed the highest ranking joustee in the entire land of Great Britannia. Thee are nothing to me but another false crossbearer. I will joust thine shambles with precision the likes of which hath never been observed in the King’s lands, mark my flipping words! Thou think thou can escape retribution by shouting that hogwash at me from afar? I implore thee to think again, peasant. As we converse I am contacting my secretive network of knights across the realm and thine footsteps are being traced right now, so thou best prepare thineself for the storm, pig-maggot! The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing thou call your armour. Thou art a flipping dead man. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill thou in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare lance. Not only am I extensively trained in mounted combat, but I hath access to the entire arsenal of the Kings Royal Army, and I shall use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable derriere off the face of the realm, thou miniscule feaces. If only thou could have foreseen what unholy retribution your little “clever” challenge was about to bring down upon thee, maybe thou would have held thee flipping tongue. But thou couldn’t, thou didn’t, and now thee art paying the price, you goddamn fool. I shall shit fury all over thou britches and thee will drown in it. Thou art flipping dead, child.

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