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So /tg/, let's talk about everyone's favorite zealots: the Sisters of Battle. Will GW ever bother to give them a proper update? Would anyone even run them if they did? Feel free to discuss for the Emperor!

>> No.25355462

Maybe, I like their style in terms of all the braziers and hyper ornate religious gear as well as the focus on low AP value flamer weapons

As long as they preserve the style, release a plastic kit and sculpt the faces a bit better haha oh wow, im asking a lot here, good lord, Id start an army. Call it the "Last crusade"

>> No.25355484

I have been waiting years for SoB to get a proper codex and plastic models. Would buy an army in a heartbeat.

>> No.25355530

I know what you mean. The only model they have that looks good is St. Celestine. Why haven't they been updated in such a long time? They didn't sell well?

>> No.25355537
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25355537

Bah, the new "Alliance " rules fucked my idea to the Warp.

I still might buy a small army and convert it for giggles though!

>> No.25355561

What if they got one of the new hardback sixth edition codices? I know it's a stretch, but I can dream can't I?

>> No.25355600

>>25355537#

How so?

>> No.25355732
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I find SoB work best as allies than as an independent army, but if they got an update that let them do well on their own, I'd probably give it a shot if their new models looked nice

>> No.25355759

>>25355530
celestine looks like shit

repentia are awesome, i bet juan diaz did them

>> No.25355770

>>25355600

SoB & Chaos Space Marines can only ally "Come the Apocalypse", which means NOPE!

I'd have loved to have a contingent of Fallen Sisters who enjoy to purge a litlle too much accompany my Khornate Berzerkers, who don't judge them. Actually, they would encourage the girls, as they too are fond of indiscriminate purging.

>> No.25355828
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>>25355759
This looks like shit? Have you seen some of the conversions where people add wings from WH fantasy?

>> No.25355852

>>25355770
Fallen Sisters is totes possible. They're like the Fallen Angels: exactly the same as Dark Angels except with chaos bits and paint

>> No.25355862

>>25355828

Use smaller sword from metal canoness sprue, remove dove & add functional weapon, and indeed a pair of feathered wings instead of the cape hald aloft by cherubs.

Base model is nice, but some quick and easy converting makes it a billion% better!

>> No.25355887

>>25355862
I also like painting her with primarily white or silver armor with gold accents instead of gold all over

>> No.25355972

that poor poor dove, it died so that celestine might keep coming back again and again

>> No.25356009

Is Celestine like the Sanguinor? She just shows up, pwns, leaves?

>> No.25356053

>>25356009
not really im not 100% sure on this one but i think shes the leader of the sisters of battle and is a living saint sanguinor is just a myth that some blood angel role plays as while in a good scrap

>> No.25356085

>>25356053
I thought he was half of Sanguinius' soul ir something

>> No.25356096

>>25356009

No Celestine is a Living SaintK. To put it iin more understanble terms, Sanguinor is a "Daemon" (ie. a manifestation of the Blood Angels collective psyche given form in the Warp), whee Celestine is more akin to a "Daemonhost" (she's human, but recieve extra power from Big.E directly)

>> No.25356111

>>25356096

By the Warp, I need to get some sleep... sorry for that mess!

>> No.25356143

>>25355852
There's only one SoB who has turned to Chaos.

>> No.25356158

>>25356143

There's only one that has WILLINGLY sought out and turned to Slaanesh of her own volition.

Sisters getting corrupted by the influences of Chaos are more common.

>> No.25356194

>>25356143
I know, I'm just saiyan it's possible. You could probably get away with it where I play, but maybe it's because we're kinda laid back about it. There's no rules against making up your own chapters as long as they follow the rules of the codex the original models came from

>> No.25356206

>>25355852
I think the thing about the sisters is that they're insane with faith, which is like a physical barrier for them against chaos? wasnt that something fluff wise?

>> No.25356222

>>25356158
There's a pretty good fluff reason for it

>> No.25356259

>>25355828
that looks better but i still prefer repentia

>> No.25356283

>>25356206
Yes, a base of theirs survived a trip through the warp.

>> No.25356284

>>25356206
Naw, once you get got, the daemons can break you through various insidious means. Grey Knights are pretty much the only incorruptibles

>> No.25356323

That's after a battle though, when there aren't many left. If alot of them were together however, their faith becomes a presence in the Warp and wards off the daemons

>> No.25356458
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I think what the SoB need is a computer game,

SoB are appreciably human while having a good portion of the power-fantasy themes possessed by the Marines, cue quite a cool game where they start out as a typical "4 THE EMPRAH" scenario and then get in over their heads. Cue escalating difficulty level and PLOT

Then again I'd do it based on the XCOM engine, that's probably where my idea falls down, GW would probably want to do an FPS

>> No.25356473

Hey gize, sorry im new to 40k lore. How can the sisters wear space marine armor?

>> No.25356480

>>25356458
We should do an all Sisters DH campaign.

>>25356473
It's slightly different power armor, doesn't weigh as much, but also doesn't provide as much armor.

>> No.25356482

>>25356473
Oh lord, it's just power armor. Jeez.

>> No.25356489

>>25356458
Nah, I think they'd do better with another 3rd person shooter like Space Marine. Only less repetitive and less sketchy story

>> No.25356519

>>25356480
I would but I have no clue how Dark Heresy works. So unless someone wants to explain it...

>> No.25356520

What do you guys think?

[Begin Army List]

+++ Escalation League (500pts) +++
+++ 500pt Sisters of Battle (White Dwarf) Roster (Primary Detachment)) +++

Selections:

Sisters of Battle (White Dwarf) (Primary Detachment) Selections:

+ (No Category) + (60pts)

* Battle Conclave (60pts)
4x Crusader (60pts)


+ HQ + (90pts)

* Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (90pts)


+ Troops + (350pts)

* Battle Sister Squad (203pts)
10x Battle Sister (120pts), Heavy Bolter (5pts), Simulacrum Imperialis (20pts)
* Rhino (41pts)
Dozer Blade (5pts), Searchlight (1pts)
* Sister Superior (17pts)
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword


* Battle Sister Squad (147pts)
10x Battle Sister (120pts), Multi-melta (10pts)
* Sister Superior (17pts)
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

[End Army List]

>> No.25356524

>>25356519
Well, have you played any of the 40k RPGs?

>> No.25356537
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>>25356524
No, just the tabletop wargame

>> No.25356547

>>25356537
Well, it's fairly similar. Just that its a PnP RPG instead of a tabletop.

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25356552

I'm pretty confident that we'll get something. With the rate that GW is releasing codexes these days, I'm sure that we'll be up soon

And hey, GW knows that big model/codex updates go over extremely well. It's not like it's a huge risk for them or anything.

>>25356096
I love this theory. Makes the Sisters look cool, too. They are so faithful that they're empowering big E to create daemons to help them.

>>25356158
Outright mind control seems to be the only way to make a Sister join Chaos. And that's not -really- falling.

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>>25356480
>all Sisters DH campaign

Sounds cool... until THAT GUY decides he wants to play.

Suddenly your intrigue and peril driven SoB game where your Dominion squad is picking its way through an Demon led underhive ambush launched by a corrupt Bishop who wants you to bla-bla-bla turns into the worst kind of slushy lesbian, FATAL durge

Would only play if I had the right to beat participating players

>> No.25356604

>>25356587
Lesbians are fine. Why would it become FATAL, though?

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>>25356547
Isn't their codex in a white dwarf ir something. I've never played SoB, but I've gotten interested with the prospect of them being updated

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>>25356458
This is one of the coolest 40K things that will probably never happen.

They might've been playable in Dark Millenium, possibly, but that's been flushed down the toilet now so we'll never know.

>> No.25356617

>>25356587
I agree, but I'm sure most of the group wouldn't like that. Plus the GM holds the ability to turn a player into a Repentia.

>>25356606
Yes, for the tabletop. I'm talking about the PnP RPG, like Dungeons and Dragons.

>> No.25356626

>>25356606
Yep, it's in WD and GW hasn't released a PDF because they are retarded.

You can use a fan-made PDF of the WD codex, though. Hell, even most GW stores won't mind you using it.

>> No.25356647

>>25356617
Okay I get it now. I've seen these done before, but I've never participated.

>> No.25356648

>>25356617
> holds the ability to turn a player into a Repentia.

You're implying that THAT GUY wouldn't love that. Half naked SoB... he'd be in heaven

We know nerds, spontaneous player beatings would be the only way to keep order

>> No.25356654

>>25356648
Easier to kill if their Repentia. I think the GM can take them out of the game fully, iirc.

>> No.25356678

I assume "THAT GUY" refers to the type of person who downloads the bikini armor mods for Skyrim and always plays as a chick whenever possible in any RPG. Ami I in the ball park?

>> No.25356713

>>25356678
Kinda, more like this.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/That_guy

>> No.25356739

>>25356713
I see, thank you. I was sort of right then

>> No.25356767

After reading the 40kball wiki, I'm still inclear as to how the Big Sisters like Alicia and Celestine were killed. Anyone know?

>> No.25356771

No idea why my phone decided to autotype ball there but it's whatever

>> No.25356791

>>25356480
I'd be down for it.

>> No.25356813

>>25356489
Speaking of games, are they going to makes anymore? I wouldn't mind seeing an FPS or RTS

>> No.25356819

>>25356767
Celestine can't be killed, or hasn't yet. She keeps coming back.

Alicia Dominica was killed in the cleaning of a planet after suffering hundreds of wounds.

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>>25356819

And the Sisters haven't had an Abbess Sanctorum for centuries because the last one they elected disappeared into the warp during her inaugral pilgrimage centuries ago. Sisters haven't appointed a new one (and thus their chances to get representation among the High Lords) despite Abbess Sabrina's rather obvious fate...

>> No.25356908

We doing a campaign?

>> No.25356922

>>25356908
We should. I'm down.

>> No.25356975

Who wants to start? Who all's playing?

>> No.25357006

>>25356908
Currently stuck in school for an hour and 40 minutes, then it takes me 30-45 min to get home. But I'm definately down for it.

>> No.25357032

We should be good for waiting

>> No.25357117

GW could appeal massively to feminist gamer gurllzz with them.

>> No.25357142

>>25357117

Or tall, long haired virgins in their late twenties.
Yes - there was a player at my local GW who was that.

>> No.25357150

>>25357142

Oh - he was also a guy.

>> No.25357357

>>25357150
neet

>> No.25357567

Don't die on me yet, Sisters.

>> No.25357660
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>>25357567
Okay.

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25359016

A revival topic? Why haven't the Sisters had a real update since... well forever. As far as I know, they've never even had an actual codex. I assume they didn't sell well enough back in the day, but why wouldn't they. Sure 40k is a male-dominated hobby, but you'd think could feasibly help them. Thoughts anyone?

>> No.25359234
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Alright I'll try one more time. Everyone knows the Emperor had no use for religion when he was alive, but in the 41st millennium he's worshipped as a god across the entire galaxy. Humans have such faith in the Emperor's divinity that their combined emotions have a presence in the Warp that can actually protect them from the daemons. If the Emperor were to somehow return, would he make the same mistakes as his last incarnation, or would he freely allow religion, chalking it up as a basic Human necessity? Would he abolish organizations like the Sisters, or let them stay? Your thoughts?

>> No.25359293

>>25359016

They were their own codex back in 2nd edition, then got rolled in with the Ordo Hereticus in 3rd, at the same time that the Grey Knights were rolled into the Ordo Malleus.

GW has, at various times, indicated that they have no intent on squating another army, and let's face it: The Sisters make money. GW wants nothing if not to gobble up our disposable income. It's not rocket science. I'm pretty confident that sooner or later, we're going to see more from the sisters. Another point to keep in mind is that GW doesn't give away freebies, and it costs time and money to develop the White Dwarf.

If I recall correctly, we saw this same thing happen with the Blood Angels waaaay back when. They had a codex, then they went on for years and years with nothing more than a White Dwarf "Chapter Approved" codex article. Now the Sisters have that same thing. I don't think they would have updated the free Witchhunter PDF, then print up an entire WD codex *DURING 5th EDITION THAT WAS ALREADY TWEAKED FOR 6th EDITION* and just leave us swinging indefinitely in the wind. There's something happening. They're still investing money in the Sisters and still actively working to keep us on the hook. If nothing else, following how and where GW spends their money tells me that we're going to see a SoB release eventually.

>> No.25359302

>>25359234

Considering how much religion can, has, is, and will be abused, even should Big.E return, I think he'd still be negative toward it. Perhaps not to the point of completely eradicating it, but should he come back and manage to curb-stomp the Chaos God's asses, he'd probably be there again with the "stop this nonsense" attitude.

>> No.25359384

>>25359293
Sister runners are fairly rare these days you know. If they were given an update soon, do you think we'd see a legitimate rise in players? Does that depend in how they're updated? I also agree that the Sisters will be updated eventually, but I don't know if they're a real priority to GW

>> No.25359406

>>25359302
Yes but he did that last time, and it led to Lorgar's betrayal and the Horus Heresy. Would he do it again knowing how dangerous it is?

>> No.25359964

If SoB ever get either plastic models or a new codex then I'll play them immediately. I'm a fan.

>> No.25359981

>>25356879


...


sauce?

>> No.25360050

What came of the all SoB campaign people were talking about?

>> No.25360108

>>25359234
He'd probably still make the same mistakes. Because grimdark.

>> No.25360391

>>25359384

>>25359384

I think that we will see a big spike. I mean, every time we see a new release, there's a huge spike in people playing whatever that new things is. Just look at the Eldar right now: They've been without an update for even longer than the Sisters, and people are gobbling them up like hotcakes. Given the established precedent with each codex being balanced, varied, and flavorful in 6th, I think that we'd see a solid codex that would be approachable by new and old players alike, and new models will generate a stir with old players, new players, and folks who want to make a small ally detachment, alike. I'm not a big game theory guy, I mostly collect GW miniatures just for the sake of collecting, and I'm a business major. The one thing that seems consistent through everything I've looked at with GW is that their priority is making money. I know I'm kinda marginalizing them when I put it that way, but they're a publicly traded company. If making new models will make them money, they'll do it. As more people clamour for SoB, they'll have more data points to look and say, "Yes, this will make a stack of cash." Also, with the breakneck speeds we've seen codexes coming through? Priority or not, it would only take around 30 months to get to the point of revising a newly printed 'dex, or giving the Sisters some love. Any way it goes, I'll keep a candle lit, stay optimistic, and hope for some plastic sisters. My current army case is 118lbs.

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>>25359234
I think he'd see it as necessary. And, really, him coming back and trying to completely change the Imperium's culture and beliefs would hardly do wonders for its stability or morale.

Dunno if he'd keep his biggest fangirls around. He might begrudgingly accept them in light of their usefulness as soldiers.

>> No.25362121

>>25360050

Dunno, someone should fire up a mailing list or roll20 thing.

>> No.25365315

>>25359234
>Emperor comes back
>"hey guys! I am your god... kinda sorta I'll get back to you on that."
>starts to reconquer the galaxy with an over zealous army
>Secretly establishes atheist military factions
>throws the zealots into the thickest of the fighting
>Once the galaxy is finally conquered, the surviving zealot forces are blamed for war atrocities, rounded up, and never heard from again.

>> No.25365379

>>25365315
>their faith is all that was keeping Emps alive
>he withers and dies
>tau sweep up the remains of the Imperium
>The Greater Good has now spread across the whole galaxy

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>>25365379
Naive child.

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>>25365844
>eldar
>relevant anymore
>ever

>> No.25366067

Yes sisters is the first army that i was interested in. Disappointed when I started reading into 40k that sisters were shit. Even though I don't have an army I would start with sisters and buy an army as soon as they get an update which seems like never

>> No.25366146

>>25360391
>Just look at the Eldar right now: They've been without an update for even longer than the Sisters, and people are gobbling them up like hotcakes

sisters were updated after 8 years or 10 years if you dont count the WD dex

eldars had to wait 7 years since 4th ed for an update

BTs have waited 8 years so far for an update

so no, eldars were not even the oldest book before their update

>> No.25366300

>>25366146
Why would you not count the WD update? It's their official codex. That's what GW are releasing FAQs for.

Never understood why people choose to not count it.

>> No.25366401

>>25365379
>>25365960

>Thinking the tau are anything other than one of hundreds of little xeno empires that nip at the the Imperium

The Tau are small time. There are individual hive worlds with more people than the Tau empire.

>> No.25366494

>>25365960
Check out this edgy motherfucker over here

>> No.25366576

>>25366300
sure but it was practically limited edition since you cant get a hold of it anymore, i can understand why people might not count it

my point was that eldar have never waited more then 7 years for an update, SW,SoB, DE and BT have waited more for an update

>> No.25366730

>>25366576

I am sick as shit of all the spinoff marine chapter players complaining about not having an up to date codex. You know what? You guys get updates all the fucking time. You get updates when the SPESS MERINE codex gets updated.

SoB does not, Eldar does not, Tau does not, Necron does not, Nid does not, Ork does not.

On the plus side, there have been a lot of great updates in the past couple of years. DE, GK, sort of Tau, Chaos, Eldar. The downside is that GW might decide that they can build up anticipation by releasing shitty marine dexes for a couple business cycles, so that people will be more hyped for more interesting dexes

>> No.25366771 [DELETED] 

>>25366401
So there are billions of Hive worlds in the million world Imperium.

You are full of shit.

>> No.25366897

>>25366730
so your army is better than my army? really?

ok

I really cant understand the xenos players complaints, GW has updated xenos armies left and right with only 1 imperial release so far and they still complaint..why?

i dont want to play ultrasmurfs, i like my spinoff marines

but then again, your army is better than my spinoff chapter so what do i know..

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>>25366494
I was just fooling around, man. I actually like Eldar a little more than tau, I think. Depends on my mood, really. Always like both, though.

>> No.25367274

>>25367200
>dat delicious fem tau

>> No.25367452

>>25366897
My army better than yours? No.

Proper armies that are flushed out with backgrounds, independent models, and devoted fanbases being more deserving of an update than a slight adaptation of an already existing codex? Yes.

I know this is a shock, but you don't need to paint your space marines as Ultramarines just because they feature prominently in the codex

>> No.25367504

>>25367200
The Tau were always a poor man's Eldar.

>> No.25367522
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>>25367452
> devoted fanbases
We are this if nothing else. :')

>> No.25367548

dem rending heavy bolters

>> No.25367922
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>>25367274
The Tau are great... until this happens

>> No.25367947
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>>25367548
I'm going to add a Canoness with a combi-plasma to my Rets. Rending plasma sounds like a lot of fun. 'Specially since it can rapid fire.

>> No.25367980

>>25367922
tau are always great even as chainsword lubricant

>> No.25368019

>>25367947
but youre already wounding on 2s and ap2 with plasma, rending adds almost nothing, rending flamer on the other hand is all kinds of rape

>> No.25368027
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Are we talking about Tau now?

>> No.25368057

>>25368027
only if they have huge tits

>> No.25368115

>>25355352
I plan to buy two armies when they get updated. One to be a minor order militant that mainly protects a shrine world and the system it's in.

And the other to be them after their shrine world is lost to the warp for 800+ years and they come out insane, thinking Khorne is an extension of the Emperor and start cutting a bloody swathe through the Imperium.

That way I can play anyone and still have a "fluffy" match up with them on the table.

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>>25368019
You have a point, but I probably need my Canoness to have range if she's with the Rets, so Plasma seemed like the best option.

Though a rending flamer does sound like a lot of fun... Maybe I'll give her interchangable arms so she can run either. That'd be nice. Thanks for the idea, anon.

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What's it like being a citizen in the Imperium?

>> No.25368233

>>25368155

If you give her a flamer, why not just give em all heavy flamers.

huehuehuehue close combat rets.

>> No.25368238

>>25368169
It's a retardedly varied place, the Imperium. Could be utterly shit or something approaching "normal".

>> No.25368268
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>>25367452
But EVERYONE likes Ulties!

>> No.25368270

>>25368238
For the greater majority of mankind it's utter hellhole shit.

A hopeless existence fighting for survival under the most oppressive and brutal regime in history.

>> No.25368276

I don't even care about the rules at this point. I'd use the shit out of the WD minidex; I don't care, it can do some pretty solid things.

They just need models so bad, not that there's anything wrong with the old ones, but the cost GW is putting on metals/finecast makes the army functionally unaffordable to start.

ONE plastic set that featured: 10 Sisters, Imagifer, VSS upgrades, the 3 heavies, a flamer and a meltagun would, on its own, make the army collectible again, and that would be extremely comparable to what you get in a box of DE Kabalite Warriors.

Using several of those, you could make Celestians, normal Sisters, Dominions, and Retributors, as you'd eventually have enough leftover heavies and specials to do the latter just by getting the number of Troops Sisters you wanted/needed. If they were convertible plastic you could make the characters and maybe bling some out just a tad to make them Celestians, though really all those need is a fancier paintjob.

So fuck, GW, come on nah. They already have plastic vehicles and a redesigned Exorcist sprue could easily be added to them. It wouldn't even be a demanding update as far as production goes, for fuck's sake.

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>>25368233
> 4 Heavy flamers
dat point cost

Would be really fun to do for shits and giggles, but not in a competetive enviroment.

>> No.25368311

>>25368284
Yeah, that's 100 points extra on the unit and you didn't even do anything to make them more durable.

Anyone else miss Eviscerators being an option for all your units?

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>>25368057

>> No.25368417

>>25368284

4 RENDING heavy flamers.

Could be neat with the new av 13 repressor. Just roll it right up in the center of the enemy line and dump the blob of burning right in the middle. And then of course they have to spend shooting to get rid or it cause thats just not chargeable with all the heavy flamer overwatch.

>> No.25368428

>>25365315

Emps was never an atheist until a certain recent novel series made him full retard.

Furthermore, even accepting that as canon, I would guess that being in his current condition for as long as he has been might have changed his views on certain things, to put it lightly. If he regained normal consciousness he'd likely realize that the Imperial Creed and Ecclesiarchy were necessary to hold the Imperium together as it presently stands, and not bad things.

Also there's a distinct possibility that his soul currently "resides" mostly in the Warp and that's he's empowered by being worshiped as a god. He certainly seems to be able to do some shit that indicates that he is kind of a god for real now, such as resurrecting Celestine repeatedly, which would easily be recognized by the Inquisition as Chaos-related if it were.

And there are a lot of other miraculous events that can only be explained by the Emperor having legit god/demigod powers. (Again, remember that the Inquisition is often present at these things and can reliably detect when it be Chaos, and it apparently is not.)

>> No.25368484

>>25368276
i'd love to get a squad of sisters for $50, I'd probably put my BTs aside for some time when the update comes

my dick will be all kinds of hard

>> No.25368504

>>25368417

Eh, Rending heavy bolters are just better now. They can move and shoot and are potentially able to hurt flyers, and on average score enough hits to rend 1-2 times per turn of shooting ... from 36". If they rend against vehicles it's 11+D3 to penetrate or glance, which is pretty good, and they do that much better than the flamers (and again, from a distance, from within cover likely) because flamers of course can only hit once each whereas BS4 heavy bolters average 2 hits each.

>> No.25368535

>>25368428
the emperor is the ultimate pragmatist, if it helps to achieve his goals he will use it, i dont think he has any convictions besides freeing humanity from chaos by whatever means necessary

>> No.25368580

>>25368484

Fuck, if Kabalites can be $29, that squad shouldn't be more than $35 (I guess I have to allow that they need backpacks whilst Kabalites don't and it's one more heavy weapon, but yeah).

Then again GW seems to determine prices for recent releases by throwing darts at a board (Pathfinders pretty reasonable considering drones and new weapon options; re-packaged Dire Avengers off-the-charts overpriced), so who knows.

>> No.25368584

>>25368428
The Emperor's atheist policies of banning religion, if they were aimed at combating Chaos, was dumb. Chaos is not empowered by worship or does it require it to sustain itself. Chaos feeds on the emotions and conflicts of sentient life. So banning religion served no purpose other than forwarding the Emperor's militant atheist agenda, this is the only reasonable conclusion.

As said above, worship is not required for power for warp beings. The Emperor could already be this powerful or the souls feed to him is the source of his power.

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>>25368428
> Also there's a distinct possibility that his soul currently "resides" mostly in the Warp and that's he's empowered by being worshiped as a god. He certainly seems to be able to do some shit that indicates that he is kind of a god for real now, such as resurrecting Celestine repeatedly, which would easily be recognized by the Inquisition as Chaos-related if it were.

> And there are a lot of other miraculous events that can only be explained by the Emperor having legit god/demigod powers. (Again, remember that the Inquisition is often present at these things and can reliably detect when it be Chaos, and it apparently is not.)

I really like this theory. The idea of big E becoming a sort of benevolant warp god and actively helping his Empire is quite fun. Imperium would be pretty hard to stop then.

>>25368417
That DOES sound pretty neat... Pic very much related.

>> No.25368644

>>25368584
He wanted humanity to only serve itself, nigga. Not some intangible god.

>> No.25368650

>>25368580
i was going by the price of tactical squads (45 in canada) but yeaah with geedubs there doesnt seem to be any real reason since deldar warriors are $35 and are the same ammount of minis

>> No.25368675

>>25368644
What is a man without a God?

NOTHING!

>> No.25368687

>>25368675
shut up lorgar

>> No.25368708

>>25368650

Ah, sorry, if they were $45 Canadian I'd accept the U.S. equivalent which would be either $35 or $37.25 depending on what they had for breakfast that day.

Didn't realize we were speaking of different currencies; why can't you Canucks call them maplebucks or something to avoid confusion?

I think the world has way too many distinct "dollars" at this point. (Yeah, we could change ours to starbucks, but that would just be awkward.)

>> No.25368742

Muscle girls give me a massive boner.

>> No.25368858
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>>25368742
Then you should feel bad.

>> No.25368862

>>25356537
Does that marine have Ultra AND Blood Angel symbols?

>> No.25368925

>>25355352
>Will GW ever bother to give them a proper update?
They'll do it when this thread stops being reposted every day.
So never.

>> No.25368929

>>25368862
I believe he does.

Is he an Ultra Angel or a Blood Marine?

>> No.25368942

>>25368929
He is of the Adeptus kitbashtus

>> No.25368950

>>25368929

Blood Raven, obviously.

>> No.25368961

>>25368929
thats an omega on his pauldron

Omega Angels

ok that sounds awesome

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>>25368925
So GW doesn't care about all of these willing customers?

>> No.25369001

>>25368988
If I was GW I wouldn't do it just to spite you for being so loud and whiny. Every fucking day we have this thread.

>> No.25369032

>>25369001
And that's why you don't run a business

>> No.25369054

>>25369001
>loud and whiny
That's the only way you can get anything in the modern world. Raise enough protests and arms and hope you get your way.

>> No.25369055

>>25369001
Think of it as a Sisters general

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>>25368988
Deal with it, heretic.

And it's only going to get worse once they're updated. The faithful shall flood the board with tactics, fluff discussion and endless requests for scans. It will be glorious.

>> No.25369095

>>25369064
>The faithful shall flood the board with tactics, fluff discussion and endless requests for scans. It will be glorious.
I wish they'd do that now. It'd be improvement just because it wouldn't be crtl+v every day for months on end.

>> No.25369097

>>25369001
Oh, you're one of those. Either it's okay because no one complains, or else anyone who acknowledges it is "bitching" and deserves whatever you feel like doing (because bad is good, obviously).

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>>25369095
You'll just have to learn to not let threads on 4chan annoy you, I guess. It's a big ask, I know, but it'll help you in the long run.

>> No.25369318

>>25366401
Ehh not quite anymore. I'm pretty sure in the new Tau Codex they referred to at one point a planet having billions Tau on it. That being just one planet, in a Sept presumably with other inhabited worlds, and presumably numerous orbital stations and what not. I'm not saying the Tau are huge, but what your saying is borderline hyperbole

>> No.25369458
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25369458

Any good SoB webcomics or fanfics?

>> No.25369585

>>25369458
Definitely not THAT one. The Sisters are just there to fail and be saved by the Space Wolves, and a Canoness (you know, the most faithful Sister present!) converts fully to Chaos with a few words from a CSM! Loada shit.

Don't know of any good fanstories, sorry. Haven't really been looking though. Maybe try fanfic.net?

>> No.25369600

>>25369458
Daemonifuge is an official comic.

But I think it's very good.

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>>25357567
Never!

>> No.25369635

>>25369585
Yeah that thing with the canoness was pretty sketchy, but I really like the art

>> No.25369654

>>25369611
Technomancer is such a waste of biomass.

>> No.25369672 [DELETED] 

>>25369654
What are you so buttman about, little Anon?

>> No.25369686 [DELETED] 

>>25369654
What are you so buttmad about, little Anon?

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>>25369611
Nice. I raise you one Saint Catherine

>> No.25369758

>>25369730
Little Cathy's into bondage it seems.

>> No.25369762

>>25369611

Why is that Sororitas wearing a diaper?

>> No.25369782

>>25369762
Because >>25369654

>> No.25369786

>>25369600
Yes! If you like the SoB, you owe it to yourself to read this. Such a great portrayal.

And you just might be able to find somewhere to read it online.

>> No.25369792

>>25369762
Because she's a Battle Sister.

>> No.25369970
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What's the reason for SoB not being battle brothers with anyone but IG?

>> No.25370013

>>25368584

No, his atheist policies weren't meant to fight Chaos directly, they were meant to prevent humanity from being tempted by it. You can't be tempted by something you don't believe exists, after all. The Emperor didn't care about Chaos' existence, just its effects on the Imperium.

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25370022

So since the Sisters of Battle are being squated, when is GeeDubya going to fill the cap with Codex: Blood Ravens?

>> No.25370063

>>25370022
GW said they'd never Squat another army though

>> No.25370099

>>25369318

Not really. Have you seen the population figures for Necromunda's hives?

Just the UPPER levels of a SINGLE HIVE contained over a billion people.

There are several thousand hives on the planet.

Necromunda, by itself, has more people living on it than the entire Tau Empire combined.

>> No.25370123

>>25356096

Sanguinor is the manifestation of Saguinius's better traits.

Basically, he's Sanguinius if he were even BIGGER bro and could be anywhere at once

>> No.25370170

>>25369970
Sisters of Battle are not at all fond of space marines, who are, 100% literally, mutants AND heretics to the last.

Every bit of fluff about the Sisters says ZEALOTS ZEALOUSLY HATE ALL HERETICS AND MUTANTS but then people act shocked when they hate 40k's iconic mutant heretics, the acid-spitting, brain-eating, God-Emperor denying, spaes mariesn.

>> No.25370257

>>25370063

>GW said they'd never squat another army

>Black Templars are about to lose theirs

>Sisters of Battle are about to, too

I think its time you accept Gabriel Angelos as your Chapter Master and prepare relics

>> No.25370268

>>25370013
The problem with Chaos is....it's there.

It will make itself be known. It isn't something you can sweep under the rug. Chaos will whisper to the hearts and minds of men, and, if needs be, it will tear the walls of reality to play peekaboo with mankind.

The policies were and always will be meaningless and made no sense. It couldn't stop people from falling to Chaos and it certainty won't affect them.

>The Emperor didn't care about Chaos' existence

And look where that got him.

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>>25370170
I see... have an Emprah pic

>> No.25370325

>>25370257
Nah, they're just getting absorbed into the new SM Codex

>> No.25370353

>>25370325
None Codex obeying chapters have no right to be in the SM Codex.

>> No.25370385

>>25370170

The Spesh Mahreens are (literally) the last bearers of the Emperor's view of divinity from the Great Crusade: that is, he is simply a man.

If anyone's a heretic, it's the Sisters of Battle; relative to the Imperial Truth.

>> No.25370433

>>25370325
>>25370353

This and, the Blood Ravens are a special chapter, the bravest of them all.

Think of all the things they've accomplished, they deserve their own codex, if only to appease the DoW fans

>> No.25370476

>>25370433
No.

The Blood Raven are a Codex obeying chapter.

They belong in the SM codex.

>> No.25370567

>>25370433

>Brave Chapter

>Not Khornate, heretical, klepto and possibly traitor legion-based

Ahriman's laughs could fill the stars

>> No.25370572

>>25370170
>Sisters of Battle are not at all fond of space marines, who are, 100% literally, mutants AND heretics to the last.

I disagree. fire and anvil does a good job explaining the sisters stand on many things. though they admire the trials and sacrifices they make to fight the good fight the biggest gripe they have with marines as a whole is their open recruitment and willingness to leadership of psykers among them with the exception of GK (back before the whole being gutted for some nice hats).

>> No.25370591

>>25369970

Because the Ecclesiarchy has a complicated relationship with the Space Marines. On one hand, SM don't venerate the Emperor as a god and usually put their own Primarch ahead of him, on the other hand, every SM contains the DNA of a Primarch and through them the DNA of the Emperor as well, thus making each SM a sort of demigod.

>> No.25370625

>>25370567
Gabriel Angelos redeemed the Chapter.

They earned the respect of the Ultramarines and even the heretics think they are the finest warriors of the Emperor. Abaddon himself hates Gabriel for the purity of his soul.

>> No.25370662

>>25370625
Dont forget that they are so valiant that the Ultramarines would only trust the Blood Ravens with the security of a potentially warp-tainted Titan.

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>>25368858
People who support overweight people are part of the problem.

>> No.25370708

>>25370662

>trust
>implying the Blood Ravens didnt just gift themselves the heretical titan

He didn't get any papers about it, but Kyras was SUPER SURE that the Ultramarines said it was cool

>> No.25370727

I meant the Black Templars are going in the 6th ed SM codex

>> No.25370740

>>25370727
sure thing bub

sure thing

>> No.25370777

>>25370385
not all chapters follow the same rhetoric and if anything the imperium as a whole is about skewed and messed up interpretations of events 10k years ago. BT and SOB follow the whole god complex whereas ultra marines don't really have any clearly defined following other then legends and tales of the big E

>> No.25370779

>>25370286
Oooo nice. The Emperor and who could be called the first Living Saint. Thanks Anon!

>> No.25370799
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Bt &Noble SoB

>> No.25370806

>>25370662
They probably thought it was the only thing to big to fit in their pockets.

>> No.25370829

>>25370257
Big Difference, there.

Squats were removed and retconned out of existence. If GW stops supporting BT's codex, they aren't squatted. They still exist in cannon and fiction and even on the tabletop.

The only thing that changes is they play by the same rules as the rest of the marines

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>>25370740
Can't we all just get along?

>> No.25370870

We know nearly how many marines out there in the galaxy.

But do we know how many SOBs out there? While we are at it, how many sisters are in a single coven?

>> No.25370882

>>25370861
Not really. This IS the internet. It's all people taking sides and yelling across the middleground.

>> No.25370932

>>25370882
To be honest, I was just looking for an excuse to post that pic

>> No.25370965

>>25370870
less then imperial guard
more then marines

so less then a trillion but more then a couple millions

>> No.25371010

>>25370870
Officially Covens vary in size based on their mission. A coven tasked with guarding a holy site would be smaller than one escorting a pilgrim fleet or guarding a Shrine World.

I personally figure that there are more Sisters than Marines, but less than Guard. You have to have enough to protect every site of holy importance, escort pilgrimages, participate in wars of faith, guard every church, serve as the personal body guard for Ecclesiarchy members of high importance, investigate possible signs of Heresy, and that's just the militant orders.

You have orders who transcribe and translate things, who work with the Imperial families of great importance to ensure the families stay strong....and support the church fully, or even maintain and preserve relics.

So a LOT of women....who all train on Terra or Ophelia VIII (I like to think that is where they're put through a kind of "basic training" before being sorted and sent to their orders based on personality (to emulate that of the Saint who the order was founded under) and ability (militant versus bookish versus charasmatic, ect) where they learn more there).

>> No.25371015

>>25370932
No complaints, I didn't have that one in my collection of unsorted Sisters pictures.

>> No.25371060

>>25371010
they are trained on scholas progenium with commissars and storm troopers before a ships collects the initiates and trains them in the order's homeworld but by the time they graduate the schola they already know basic combat doctrines

>> No.25371061

>>25370806
And they were so, so very wrong.

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>>25370799
Techpriest X SoB otp

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>>25368858
The Emperor could have prevented this.

>> No.25371258

>>25371060
Partially right, they -are- trained initially in a Scholas Pregenium, but there is a level of training above that done on Terra and Ophelia VIII (you can thank 2nd Edition for this, and it hasn't been contradicted since). I believe this is where Sisters begin to get further into more specific training, like introducing them to the Holy Bolter and going from there.

Obviously doing all the training for every Sisters ever on this two worlds is silly, but starting them down the basics (likely use of the power armour, care and use of the Bolter and some basic combat tactics that builds on what they already know)

>> No.25371438

The Emperor was pretty direct and persistent in his knowledge that he wasn't divine in any way or shape, but was mere this: a man (who just happened to be a pretty good pysker). He would put down any allegations that he was a God.

When he comes back, he'll reclaim his Legiones Astartes, the lost and wounded Loyalist Primarchs, and kick yall superstitious asses across the galaxy

>> No.25371462

>>25370268

Well, yeah, the Emperor was a dumbass. But that was his entire reasoning, as unjustified as it was.

>> No.25371492

>>25371462
I always thought his intent was to starve Chaos off by denying them worshippers (by replacing cults with science) and weakening their overall hold on humanity.

Of course that would cause -all sorts- off issues if Malal was still running around but maybe that's why he was pulled.

>> No.25371670

>>25370170
But from the surely it's easier to deal with their zealous hate of mutants then templars zealous hates of xenos and witches, becuase apparently BT get on better with eldar (read the xenos-witch army) then with SoB.

>> No.25371708

I had a dream the other night. I barely remember it now.

It was movie-like, so I wasn't really in it, but there was a guy like me that my view followed.
An adeptus sororitas ...team? went into a hive city to purge some mutants and establish a safe area so that they could start sending out ministers and what-not to tend to the surrounding hivers.
They got ambushed by a hive gang and were all killed except for one. The bodies were stripped of their power armour, including the unconscious yet still living sister.
A guy carried this sister to safety and then heals her up over the course of a few days.
When she heals she gains the assistance of this guy and a few other hivers to infiltrate the gang HQ to perform rites for her sisters and reclaim her armour and weapon.
Whilst there it turns out that the gang was working for a noble family of the Hive city.
They steal back the armour, perform rites for the sisters' bodies and then set fire to the gang lair.
Then the sororitas, now equipped with her power armour, grenades, a flamer and bolter goes on a rampage and exterminates the traitorous and Chaos-tainted noble family.

It was very cool. That is all.

>> No.25371713

>>25371670
The Eldar aren't human and they don't worship the Emprah in the wrong way.

The Sisters are human witches who happened to worship the Emperor in the wrong way and thinks the BT way of worshiping the Emperor is heretical.

>> No.25372489

>>25371713
But killing eldar is how you worship the right way. It's like 2/3s of their religion. It's as if the bible was mostly made up of verses about how great it is to chainsaw hindus apart. Sure, the protestants suck, but you're hardly going to have a better working relationship with them then the people your holy book tells you to hate at least once on every single page.

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>> No.25376240

>>25359981

sick fuck

>> No.25376329
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25376329

Is it possible for a Sister Repentia to redeem herself and make it back into the organization, or does she have to die in battle?

>> No.25376354

>>25359981
Druuna: Morbus Gravis

>> No.25377662

>>25376329
Yes, they can redeem themselves. That is, ostensibly, their goal.

>> No.25377738

>>25376329

Yes it's possible. Saint Celestine herself was a Repentia at one point before becoming a Living saint.

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>>25377738
Oh yeah, I remember that now

>> No.25378180

Rather than start a new thread I figured tacking this onto this one would be better:

Let's play a small game of armchair developer: how would you expand the Sisters arsenal for their next codex without breaking the Holy Trinity?

Additionally, would you take away their plasma pistols?

>> No.25378936

Why would you take away plasma pistols? Planning on making infernus ones 12"?

>> No.25379383

>>25378180
a tank variant with options for avenger cannon, battle cannon, plasma destroyer or vanquisher options and transport capacity

land speeder storm as dedicated transport

a manticore and/or deathstrike

somme kind of fast walker, like a sentinel but faster with the option for a 2 flamestorm cannon, multi meltas or lascannons

>> No.25379813

>>25378180
They only have heavy bolter for long range infantry, so maybe missile launcher with incendiary or melta missile ?

The repressor as a mobile bunker would be cool.

>> No.25380100

>>25378180
add novices as troops, give them sniper rifles and maybe some sort of flame sniper.

Add zealot mobs as a blob unit.

Move the Avenger out of FW and into the codex. Buff it a bit so it's a viable alternative to the Exorcists.

They can keep their plasma pistols.

that's all i can think of at the moment.

>> No.25381022

Is there a fluff explanation for why Black Templar and Sisters of Battle are only "Desperate Allies" on the allies matrix? I'd have thought crazed zealots like the Templar would be the chapter the Sisters would have most in common with?

>> No.25381091

>>25381022

Same reason as why Catholics and Protestants mostly hated each other guts: divergence of dogma!

Basically the Sisters go all "UNBELIEVERS!" on the BT, and the BT go all "PURGE THE WITCH!" on the Sisters

>> No.25381210

>>25378936
It's the only plasma weapon they have and doesn't fall into the Holy Trinity is why.

>> No.25381552

>>25381091
BTs hate the sisters for believing in the god-emperor and perverting the Imperial truth and the objective of the great crusade

also theres a historical parallel that i suppose GW couldnt resist putting it in 40k, the church hates templars for being more powerful then they are, in this case because black templars have been legion building since their inception

>> No.25382196

>>25381022
BT think that Sisters are fucking witches trying to pass their sorcery as imperial miracles. And BT HATE witches.

That and BT are notoriously dodgy on the whole "respecting the codex astartes" thing. Which is heresy. They are only tolerated because openly giving the finger to one of the most potent fleets in the galaxy is considered unwise.

>> No.25382229

>>25355462
Not true.
Combi-plasmas on Sister Superiors and up, as well as plasma guns on confessors.
As for the sacred three, the excorcist launcher breaks it, but I've never heard any complaints about it.

>> No.25382262

>>25382229
Well, maybe the Exorcist missiles are HEAT warheads, which explains the AP1.

>> No.25382290

>>25370286
>Keeler looks like she has wings
SUBTLE!

>> No.25382374

>>25355352
I like their general concept and would consider playing them (after I finish up a few squads of marines and guardsmen I converted just because) if it wasn't for the fact that they are so overpriced. They really need a major rules overhaul, maybe greater access to special weapons, maybe some sort of cheaper troop option (some form of cadet or just Inquisitorial Storm Troopers), but as they are now they don't work in part because a Space Wolf or Dark Angel only costs a couple points more than them for a significant boost in stats.

Also Storm Troopers, Preists, and Sisters of Battle should all be WS and BS 4, they are trained from childhood to be the warriors of the Imperium, they must learn some form of melee combat, even if it is formalized dueling. Besides commissars come from the same place and get WS 4.

>> No.25382513

>>25382374
Commissars are also the best of the best of them.

Anyway, they can't get much lower. An IG Vet is 7pts (and that's priced about right). Giving him a bolter, upping his save from 5+ to 3+, giving him a +1Ld and faith powers can't be much less than 4/5pts.

I would say that the current 12pts would be right, IF it comes with good faith powers and side rules. Like Adamantium Will instead of that 6++ (they had psychic resistance back in 3E) and more faith points.

>> No.25382528

>>25382229
Superiors can only buy the plasma pistol now. Likely because there was a model of it I bet.

Exorcist basically has Melta missiles (A8, AP1) without the Melta rule. Plus that was something specifically in the Ecclesiarchy's archives (from Emperor knows where, though you got to appreciate the idea of nuns with guns riding a tank with an organ that fires missiles), the plasma pistol is not an Ecclesiarchy relic, nor is it venerated as "holy".

>> No.25382598

>>25382513
I agree. As is the faith powers aren't bad (all very thematic and work well with the units) but the lack of ability to use them in different phases (outside of Battle Sisters) and at all on your opponent's turn really hurts. It's currently pretty silly.

I'd honestly like to see Sisters go back to 11 points, but that's only because Marines keep creeping down the scale towards the girls.

I had a though regarding Shield of Faith: On your basic models keep it a 6++, on Superiors and Celestians bump it to a 5++ (representing their deeper, and more solid faith), and on a Canoness make it a 4++ (representing her unshakable faith), and then have the unit use the best one in the unit at any time.

That not only makes the Superiors more helpful, but it buff Celestians, and the Canoness all at the same time.

>> No.25382792

What sisters need:
- Better defined Ecclesiarchy units (Imperial religious militia)
- Relics, they are fucking shrine-maidens (not even hard, the Mantle of Saint Katherine is a given)
- The motherfucking Redeemer as SC
- Hellhounds/Devil Dogs (or some kind of Heavy Immolator)
- Actual Faith rules that make you feel like you're SMITING EVIL every time you roll the dice

What sisters will get (if they get something):
- Soul Blaze on everything (even bolters and CCW because Emprah forbid damaging an Avatar)
- Exorcist missiles nerfed to Heavy 1 and/or AP3
- Randumb faith generation (like the current system, but worse)
- -4STR
- A price bump

>> No.25382850

>>25382792
>price bump

thats impossible, they're already the most expensive army

>> No.25382893

>>25382850
In points.

Even GW can't possibly make them more expensive in $€££.

>> No.25382939

>>25382893
the trend in 6th is make everything cheaper in ptsso i doubt geedubs will bump their points up if anything the basic sister can end up costing 11pts

>> No.25382956

>>25382893
You must have missed it when Wraithguard hit $20 a model in the US then. GW can and has made expensive shit more expensive.

>> No.25383061

>>25382939
Nah, the trend in 6th is to make stuff worse and drag the pricetag down accordingly. Few Troops actually got a better quality/cost ratio in the process (Fire Warriors being the exception).

Eldars got more expensive, by the way.

>>25382956
Well, that was the classic yearly price increase. When they change kits from metal to anything, the price-per-model tends to drop a bit. Just a bit.

>> No.25383409

>>25382792
Here's the problem with Faith.

It's basicly just another form of Psychic power, just from the Emperor, rather than from their own mind.

It would be relatively easy to do Faith as a discipline, but it would probably piss off too many people to be worth it.

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>>25383409
Nah, I like it being a bit distinct from psychic powers. Makes them unique and has interesting implications in the fluff.

And really, it's not quite a psychic power. The people doing it are not psykrtd.

>> No.25383495

>>25383441
Just like sorcerers arn't psykers?

They're just calling upon the chaos gods to unleash unholy warp powers.

The Faith Powers of the Sisters come from the Emperor, due to all the worship of him. Basicly their faith in him allows them to unleash warp powers which take the form of miracles.

(Also, it makes them better at stopping Witches, as the most powerful psyker gets a bonus at Deny the Witch tests)

>> No.25383498

>>25383441
That and the powers aren't really fantastic. They're really just someone giving more than 110% because their faith drives them too. Well at least that's the -intent-. We all know how that goes though.

>> No.25383588

>>25383409
Well, Faith power are indeed psychic like, with some differences:
- warp charge is diluted over the whole army
- self-buff only (which means no DtW, by the way)
- no Perils or psychic countermeasures (SW or nids)
- no being psykers (and thus getting wrecked by GK)

Fluff aside, the first point is the big problem. If you throw it out, the army turns into not-GK gamewise.

>> No.25383599

>>25383495
It's not the same, lad. Nobody is using spells or being a psyker. It's not as intentional as that. In being regular humans who can believe so hard that it has effects, these gals are doing something quite different altogether.

>> No.25383655

>>25383599
Ah, so it's more like the Waaagh, just as the Warboss in Soulstorm thought.

>> No.25383697

>>25383655
Actually, it's exactly the same thing.

>> No.25383738

>>25370870

most planets in the imperium that aren't abhuman planets or mostly uninhabited resource worlds host a shrine with a hundred or so with their 4 main shrines having thousands.

>> No.25383778

>>25383655
I really like the idea that it is, yes. But it's not exactly the same. Yes, both are powered by lots of individuals emoting very hard so that it has effects. I'd say that it differs, and correct me if I'm wrong, in that all Orks are innately a little bit psychic as a race. Sisters, on the other hand, aren't psykers but can generate strong enough emotion to get powers from the warp somehow, maybe even Big E himself.

Though you can easily read faith powers as just being them pushing themselves really hard, I'd say that Celestine sheds doubt on this view somewhat. And really, them FAITHING hard enough to get help from the Emperor is just a much cooler theory

>> No.25383812

>>25383588
Hmm, that's a fair point.

Perhaps they generate Faith Points/Warp Charge army wide, like a massive sisterhood of the faithful/brotherhood of psykers.

If each act of faith can change their power depending on how much faith is used in it, you end up with a very nasty force who can use their faith to buff where they need it most, despite having a mostly regular ammount of faith points.

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>> No.25383867

>>25383778
Humans are inately psychic as a race too, and are far better psykers than Orks. It's just that Orks have Faith hardcoded into their ADN. Even the youngest Ork has an unwavering faith into Gork&Mork, while humans need indoctrination to get there.

Also orks are MUCH more numerous than properly pious humans and Gork&Mork are MUCH more powerful gods than Big E. Their psychic field is proportionally better.

>> No.25383880

>>25383778
Oh yeah, I also believe it's faithing which gets them their powers.

It's just as the powers come from the God Emperor, who is in the Warp, the powers themselves will also be warp based.

There are effectively three ways to gain warp powers:
- Focused Study
- Mutation
- Devotion to a Warp Power

A lot of the psykers of other races use a mix of the methods. Sisters use the third only.

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>>25383861
> high heels
Yeah, nah.

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>>25383934

>> No.25384068

>>25356552
that said the Sisters in Ciaphas Cain seemed to consider it just as bad, the two with Varran, freaked the fuck out and threw themselves over a cliff the moment they were released

>> No.25384084

>>25380100
What about Adeptus Arbites?

>> No.25384123

>>25380100
mobs of priests

>> No.25384146

>>25381022
i would love if there was a special char in sob or bt army that made the armies battle brothers

>> No.25384170

>>25368858
The others are probably also fatties that are Jelly of the health people, so they enable the fat girl that is vaguely decent looking and shun those that force them to see how much they are failing at life, because human psychology despises self improvement

>> No.25384202

>>25383986
Those aren't, technically, high heels. She's got somewhere between 1.5 and 2 inches there, still within the realm of reasonable for boots.

>> No.25384226

>>25383986
>MEGA FAITH.jpg

>> No.25384246

>>25376329
the Ladies with the Whips that manage them are there to judge when they have succeeded, in some circles Repentia are so respected for their prowess that some sisters will see the slightest failing as reason to join in their penance.

>> No.25384269

>>25384068
Exactly. They didn't fall at all. As of yet, no Sororitas apart from one has actually fallen to Chaos.

Also, Mitchell is awful at writing Sisters. Though at least he had the decency to point out what a huge deal Varan controlling some Sisters was.

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>>25355352
Dumb butch lesbian mutes, bitches never tell you that the chain swords they carry are used to make giant sandwiches for the space marines.

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>>25384202
Still impractical for a soldier to have. Regular boots are the way to go.

>>25384246
> some sisters will see the slightest failing as reason to join in their penance.
The Order of the Valorous Heart are very much like that. See pic.

>>25384226
That or she has just set somebody on fire.

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>>25384283
> mutes
Hardly, my dear lad! They are known for yelling hyms during battle to bolster their faith.

>> No.25384356

>>25355352
The fact GW have not put the PDF of the White Dwarf codex up is fishy. Does that mean they are making something? Possibly. Somebody managed to get a reply about why the PDF wasn't up and the answer from GW was along the lines of "We won't until we hear back from the development team, keep watching the site". So, possibly.

A good hint on if they are dead or on permament hiatus as the water cooler rumours in Nottingham HQ think will be Imperial Armour Volume 2 Second Edition. Forge World have confirmed to be they are updating it, and this is the book with Space Marines and Sisters of Battle in. So, if SoB are still in it, then we can assume they plan to keep them going.

As for finding out what's going on, Forge World said I should ring GW themselves and ask why the PDF wasn't on the site and what was going on. So, if any of you have the balls and the wallet to do so, go for it.

So, there we have it.

>> No.25384357

>>25384269
I view it as character bias. Same as how Cain thinks the PDF sucks, but they so often save his hide.

>> No.25384367

>>25384283
Orders that often fight alongside guard regiments are bi

>> No.25384384

>>25384269
>no Sororitas apart from one has actually fallen to Chaos.

You lying bastard.

The group of Battle Sisters who were corrupted by the fallen sister doesn't count?

The entire coven of Chaos Sisters in Daemonifuge doesn't count?

>> No.25384388

>>25383441
you mean like how the Space Wolves Rune Priests totally aren't psykers?

>> No.25384410

>>25384123
a priest would be a nice leader for the zealot mob. Give him an ability that makes them braver. Fearless or stubborn, perhaps.

>>25384084
A lot of people ask for this, but I don't understand it myself. The Sisters and the Arbites aren't all that close, I don't think.

>> No.25384417

>>25384269
he also made the Canoness in that book rather bro-tier

>> No.25384424

>>25384388
Sorcery has nothing to do with pyskism!

>> No.25384455

>>25359981
[spoilers]reverse google image search[/spoilers]

>> No.25384467

people mentioned the units having an effect on Allie Rules, I like this idea, the idea that having specific characters could bypass rules on the ally list, What ideas can we come up with, don't have to be SoB related

>> No.25384506

>>25384357
Yes Cain hates them, but Mitchell obviously doesn't think too highly of them either.

First book they appear in, they're incompetent idiots who charge unsupported into a tyranid hoarde and get utterly used by an inquisitor.

next book, we have a sister who gambles and drinks and has secret affairs, which just seem odd for a fanatical zealot to do. lastly, there's the entire Order of Sisters who get mind controlled. They're literally just there to show off how powerful Varan is.

Bah.

>>25384384
> The group of Battle Sisters who were corrupted by the fallen sister doesn't count?
There's no source for that. And the lexicanum says nothing about it.

The ones in Daemonifuge were possessed. Still being done against their own wills.

>> No.25384510

Personally, I was fond of the idea /tg/ had a while ago of giving the Sisters a unit of Risen Martyrs in death masks, still with the wounds which martyred them.

>> No.25384512

>>25384467
a tyranid genestealer patriarch can bring IG/orks as allies

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>>25384510
So like a Squad of Living Saints?

That would be pretty fucking awesome.

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>>25384283
Your troll-fu is weak. Allow me to offer an helping hand, however hastily written it may be.
>Take your shitty manfaced female space marines somewhere else, this is a wargame not Waifu: the Feeling. Your kind would buy anything with tits slapped on, like a pack of teenage LordLysander. Go back to Anima Tactics and Infinity and keep my 40K clean from your faggotry.

>> No.25384656

>>25384586
Yeah, this guy's got it down. While the other guy just did a hamfisted attack on the Sisters, this guy here attacks the self-esteem of the fans themselves. Calling them female Marines is also a classic, tried and tested move.

Take note, >>25384283 . Your technique is unrefined and primitive.

>> No.25384660

>>25384510
I also liked the special character of a penitent engine that had become a living saint. Or something to that effect.

>> No.25384661

>>25384512
Somehow, I foresee a LOT of Genestealer cults. I mean, nids with Manticore/Hydra?

>> No.25384673

>>25384384
I always viewed it as only one has ever chosen to willingly serve Chaos.

I've actually got my own plans for Chaos Sisters when they become plastic but they spent over 800 years in the warp on a Shrine World and eventually are driven insane...and they believe Khorne is an extension of the Emperor's wrath.

It's really an excuse to have a mirror to my loyalist Sisters (same Order, just before they go nuts) so all my games are "fluffy".

>> No.25384704

>>25384510
Reminds me of the Avenging Angels the Living Saint could summon in SoulStorm

>> No.25384716

>>25384673
Props for not making them Slaanesh worshipers. It's always Slaanesh with the internet...

>> No.25384734

>>25384716
Hell Some Tzentchen Sisters could be fun

>> No.25384740

>>25384673
Bonus points if your canoness is Valkya the Bloody in space.

>> No.25384847

>>25384740
She's my planned Count-As Saint Celestine.

And besides Sisters like fire, purging and so does Khorne. It's a match made in...well not Heaven but it works pretty well.

>> No.25384855

>>25384673
>I always viewed it as only one has ever chosen to willingly serve Chaos.

With that logic than Horus didn't fall. The overwhelming number of CSM never fell.

Chaos corrupts and taints. This causes people to FALL for it. The sisters are not immune to the corruption or taint of Chaos and should not put on a pedestal as THE purest.

>> No.25384878

>>25384283
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you worthless heretic? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Ecclesiarchy , and I've led an incomprehensible number of secret raids against the forces of chaos, and I have over 30 million confirmed purgings. I am trained in armored warfare and I'm the top Sororitas in all the Sisterhood. You are nothing to me but just another heretic. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in this universe, mark my fucking words.
You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Warp? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the galaxy and your powers are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bolter.
Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Adeptus Mechanicus and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the planet, you little shit. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot.

>> No.25384889

>>25384847
I always thought a hilarious bit for a chaos band was that they were under a mential filter that made them think that Chaos followers were loyalists and that loyalists were chaos, so they are their in full chaos regalia and mutations, still proclaiming it in the name of the emperor, thinking the Daemons are angels etc.

>> No.25384926

>>25378180
Sure, call me psycho:

keep plasma pistols. add plasma everything, but on a sane level: HQ, heavy choices...
....WE need to fix the HQ, so that the men don't stand over the sistahs like porn stars. i don't have the Codex on me, so sorry about details.

oh, two cool ideas:
1: Ability to take a sororitas squad and upgrade either: (character) or (entire unit, once per detachment) to Big Sisters for +10 pts. Helga the Space marine, in a codex that wants her.
2: Take a squad of "little sisters": cheaper, with only 4+ armor save, but they have scout, move through cover, and Split fire: these lil' cuties have Shotguns, but they get to bring along up to three flamers/meltas, plus, they can do a sniper rifle.

....also, give the damn Exorcist a skyfire missile option.

does this help?

>> No.25384941

>>25384889
I'm sure the Word Bearers would like to have a chat with them.

>> No.25384985

>>25384855
Horus and the Marines were all doing it willingly at some point, though. Fact is, apart from once we've never had an example of a Sister fighting for Chaos apart from cases where their free will was taken away. Sisters in the Cain book? Covered in Chaotic symbols and were likely worshiping Chaos, but once they got their minds back they killed themselves.

> he sisters are not immune to the corruption or taint of Chaos and should not put on a pedestal as THE purest.
Their extreme faith makes them highly resistant. Such is their faith that even the Grey Knights used them to bolster their protection against the warp. Really, they belong on that pedestal. They're pretty fucking pure.

>> No.25384993

>>25384926
>Sure, call me psycho
Too kind.

>> No.25385041

>>25384941
>implying the word bearers didn't do it
they would fucking get off on making a weaponized joke of the fales Emperor's most dedicated servants

>> No.25385080

>>25384558
Sort of, only less powerful.

And slightly less of the "living" part.

>>25384704
Huh, hadn't known about those, nice.

>> No.25385093

>>25384878
Haha, oh fuck, this is fantastic. I'm using this.

I'm gonna revise it a tiny bit though, if that's allright:

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you worthless heretic? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Schola Progenium , and I've led an incomprehensible number of secret raids against the forces of chaos, and I have over 30 million confirmed purgings. I am trained in armored warfare and I'm the top Sororitas in all the Sisterhood. You are nothing to me but just another heretic. I will wipe you the fuck out with zeal the likes of which has never been seen before in this universe, mark my fucking words.
You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Warp? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Death Cult Assassins across the galaxy and your powers are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can purge you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bolter.
Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Adepta Sororitas and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the planet, you little shit. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot.

>> No.25385126

>>25384985
>Horus and the Marines were all doing it willingly at some point,

They were corrupted and have their wills subverted by Chaos. We call them fallen because they fell in the maw of Chaos.

>Covered in Chaotic symbols and were likely worshiping Chaos, but once they got their minds back they killed themselves.

And once Horus was purged from the taint of Chaos, he begged the Emperor to kill him.

That's settles it. The Arch Heretic, the Great Heretic, and first among the fallen......didn't fall?

>They're pretty fucking pure.

Not enough.

That pedestal belongs to the Grey Knights alone.

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>>25385093
Also, it needs an appropriate image. This one might work.

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>>25385165
>not this

>> No.25385241

>>25385126
And that's the Tragedy of Horus. His body was used by Chaos. His soul was destroyed by his own father.

And everyone remembers him as the worst monster to stride the galaxy, because the only one who knows what happened was the Emperor.

>> No.25385255

>>25385126
> That pedestal belongs to the Grey Knights alone.
Who had to use the Sisters to buff their own resistance to Chaos. This comes from a codex, no less.

Grey Knights are good, but they're still second to the Sisters.

> They were corrupted and have their wills subverted by Chaos. We call them fallen because they fell in the maw of Chaos.
Not really proof that none of them aren't doing it willingly, though. The Word Bearers were certainly very willing.

>> No.25385420

>>25385255
>Grey Knights are good, but they're still second to the Sisters.

Not a single Grey Knight fell to Chaos, ''willingly'' or not.

The Grey Knights are second to none!

>Not really proof that none of them aren't doing it willingly, though. The Word Bearers were certainly very willing.

Then lets talk about the Abysmal Crusade. What do we call the Marines who turned to Chaos unwillingly due to the exposure to Chaos sorcery and taint (Like the Cain Sisters and Daemonifuge)? Fallen, traitors, turncoats?

The Codex certainly calls them that. But we don't get to call the sisters those names....NOOOO!

>> No.25385510

>>25385420
I would like to add that I think it wasn't the ''purity'' of the Sisters the Grey Knights needed. It was the innocence of their blood.

Innocent blood is a power tool in ritual. Oh...and I guess this is another instance where the Sisters showed their capability in the face of the taint (Khornate Sisters!).

>> No.25385519

>>25385420
> The Grey Knights are second to none!
Then why did they need the blood of the Sisters, who were immune to the bloodtide? Surely if the Grey Knights were the best, then they would not need to use others to protect themselves from Chaotic influence?

And I don't really care what hijinks the Marines get up to. The fact is that only one Sister has willingly fallen and a few have been forced to help Chaos via removal of their free will. Meanwhile, a massive number of Marines have gone over to Chaos, many of them willingly.

>> No.25385534

>>25385420
They may not have fallen but they bear the taint of sorcery in their creation. They may hide it beneath gleaming armour, but there is a foulness beneath their skin.

>> No.25385558

>>25385420
>Not a single Grey Knight fell to Chaos, ''willingly'' or not.
Draigo says hi. Or he would, if his mouth wasn't full of Slanny cock.

>> No.25385569

>>25385420
You havn't read the Daemon Codex have you? Because that looks like Draigo fell pretty hard to me.

>> No.25385572

>>25385510
But they're not innocent. They're hardened soldiers. They're only "innocent" in the sense that their faith is so powerful that they could never concieve of losing it.

No, it was their sheer faith that made them immune to Khorne's malarky.

>> No.25385585

>>25385558
>>25385569
And there was that one Knight who had doubt put into him by a Daemon,

>> No.25385619

>>25385585
Is doubt the name of Slaanesh's penis?

>> No.25385639

>>25385619
Draigo doesn't care what it's called, he just wants it inside of every orifice!

>> No.25385645

>>25385585
And the Grey Knights books have a Grey Knight who breaks his mind to avoid possession by a Daemon and ends up falling to Khorne for a time.

>> No.25385647

>>25385519
>Then why did they need the blood of the Sisters, who were immune to the bloodtide? Surely if the Grey Knights were the best, then they would not need to use others to protect themselves from Chaotic influence?

My personal theory is that they didn't fear the taint of bloodtide but they were cautious of its harmful capability.

There is a chance that Bloodtide could have been a nanoswarm under the control Chaos's control that would have seeped inside the armor of the Grey Knights and bleed them dry.

>The fact is that only one Sister has willingly fallen and a few have been forced to help Chaos via removal of their free will. Meanwhile, a massive number of Marines have gone over to Chaos, many of them willingly.

Maybe because the Sisters don't take center stage a lot. Perhaps if they did, we would see more of their fallen sisters. They certainly aren't far behind whenever the Sisters show up in the fluff.

>> No.25385683

>>25385519
>Then why did they need the blood of the Sisters, who were immune to the bloodtide? Surely if the Grey Knights were the best, then they would not need to use others to protect themselves from Chaotic influence?
Better safe than sorry. No other explanation needed.

>> No.25385722

>>25385647
>Fallen Sisters
To be fair, the best way to show how badly something got beat is to take their greatest strength away (in this case their purity and devotion to the Emperor).

>> No.25385744

>>25385569
>>25385558
The new Daemon Codex says that not a single Grey Knight have fallen to Chaos. Last I checked Draigo was still a Grey Knight.

But if you want to enter a contest of purity, assuming it was Draigo...

All the pleasures and temptations of Chaos failed to corrupt and sway the Knight from his faith and duty. It took a GOD, A CHAOS GAWD, to bend the Knight. What did it take to corrupt the Sisters? SO MUCH LESS! Of course, they are after all, mortal.

To claim that the Sisters are in anyway close to the Grey Knights in purity is beyond absurd

>> No.25385769

>>25385647
>My personal theory is that they didn't fear the taint of bloodtide but they were cautious of its harmful capability.
>There is a chance that Bloodtide could have been a nanoswarm under the control Chaos's control that would have seeped inside the armor of the Grey Knights and bleed them dry.
The codex does specificially state that the blood was a "talisman of purity". Their interest in it was definetely for its "spiritual" (for lack of a better term) properties.

> Maybe because the Sisters don't take center stage a lot. Perhaps if they did, we would see more of their fallen sisters.
I can definetely accept their lack of time in the spotlight as a factor. Though their incorruptibility is a major part of their fluff. A White Dward specifically said that only one had ever fallen.

> They certainly aren't far behind whenever the Sisters show up in the fluff.
I think that this actually stems from their status as incorruptible and pure. If you're a black library writer, who has a wiggle-room in regards to adhering to canon, what better way to make your Chaos Champion/Daemon/whatever look really powerful than to have them corrupt some Sisters?

>> No.25385789

>>25385744
>To claim that the Sisters are in anyway close to the Grey Knights in purity is beyond absurd
Sisters don't sacrifice people in khornate blood rituals.

Grey Knights do it for every bullet they fire.

>> No.25385814

>>25385683
Now you're not even addressing my point.

Sisters: were immune to the bloodtide all by themselves.

Grey Knights: needed the blood of the Sisters in order to gain that same protection. If they really were immune and purer than the Sisters, they would have been aware of this and not needed the blood of the Sisters to protect them.

>> No.25385822

>>25385744
Grey Knights really arent that pure. They just hide behind a lot of people who are.

>> No.25385824

>>25385744
I'm sorry Anon, I couldn't hear you over the sound of millions of burning heretics.

>> No.25385861

>>25385814
Ahm...some Sisters fell to the Bloodtide. Were the Sisters really immune or was it just a matter of time before they joined their bloody sisters?

>> No.25385877

>>25385822
this, they brwak practically every rule in the book just by existing, they are the final product of the Imperium's hypocrisy, necessitated because the only ones who understand anything know that the Oh so sacred imperial creed is a broken and worthless system

>> No.25385907

>>25385744
A Grey Knight had his faith shaken just from seeing some civilians get slaughtered.

>> No.25385959

>>25385744
There is a significant difference in numbers to start with, Assuming Draigo to be the only Grey Knight to fall to Chaos, that's one out of less than a million Grey Knights total.

On the other hand we have one Sister out of a few billion trillion who have existed ever falling. That's a much more impressive statistic.

Furthermore Grey Knights have psycho therapy, their minds are wiped clean and are generally broken down to -only- being a Grey Knight. What's a Sister? And exceptionally devout and well trained/equipped regular human being.

I'm sorry, but all things considered Sisters are more impressive because the deck isn't stacked in their favour like it is the Grey Knights.

>> No.25385980

>>25385907
A seed of doubt was planted by the Changeling's machinations, nothing more.

If that seed will grow into corruption or will the Grey Knight burn it away from his heart with the fires of righteous hatred and faith, nobody can say.

>> No.25386045

>>25385861
If the uncorrupted Sisters had been vulnerable at all, then their blood would not have granted immunity to the Bloodtide.

We still have a case where some Sisters are purer than the Grey Knights.

>>25385980
But it still demonstrates that they are very much vulnerable. Moreso than the Sisters, since we do not have any cases of the Sisters giving a shit about killing off some civilians.

>> No.25386085

>>25386045
>Sisters not caring about killing civilians
To be fair that's part of their identity as a faction. They'll burn a planet to the ground than give it the chance to fall to Chaos.

>> No.25386128

>>25386085
better to die with my soul safe and sound

>> No.25386165

>>25386085
I know. They're so awesome!

But the GK aren't dissimilar. They killed off civilians after the first war for Armeggedon due to the possibility of Chaotic corruption.

>> No.25386216

>>25386165
Difference is that Sisters have "Purge the Heretic!" as a battle cry.

>> No.25386226

>>25386165
And they would have got them, if it wasn't for those damn wolves!

>> No.25386252

>>25386216
And the grey knights root out Daemonic influence above all else, and we have a case of them having no qualms about killing some civilians in order to protect against any potential corruption.

>> No.25386418

>>25386252
While true it seems that not every GK agrees with doing so if the Daemons Codex is to be believed now.

>> No.25386547

>>25386418
Putting my raging Sisters fanboyism aside, I should point out that we're all making a mistake in acting as if all 40K fluff meshes together perfectly and doesn't change on the whims of the designers. Had the GK's incorruptibility and single-minded devotion been absolutely set in stone, that stuff in the Daemons codex wouldn't have hapened (apart from the Slaanesh incident, though he is a special case). If Ward was forced to keep to the fluff for the Sisters being incorruptible, all of them would have resisted the bloodtide.

Fact is, the 40K canon isn't all that reliable or consistent.

>> No.25386711

>>25386547
Oh I know, which is why I laugh when people get all bent out of shape about the fluff.

I believe the rule is "Everything is canon, and nothing is."

>> No.25386759

>>25386711
Do you by any chance post on a certain Orkily named forum?

>> No.25386797

>>25386759
No, but I mod on a Heresy themed one.

>> No.25387071

>>25385519
>Then why did they need the blood of the Sisters

Because Ward.

>> No.25387157

>>25387071
While technically correct, they used it as a means to invoke blood magic to create protective wards against the effects of the Bloodtide.

I guess they killed the Sisters because they knew they'd never agree to give their blood up for use in such sorcery willingly.

>> No.25387271

Damn, SoB threads are popular. They all seem to get so many replies that they start auto-saging.

>> No.25387441

>>25387271
Well yeah. Like them or hate them -everyone- as something to say about Sisters.

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>> No.25388558

>>25388211
Anyone want to tell her than one of her fleur-de-lis is upside-down?

>> No.25388659

>>25388558
Even her fleur is tsundere.

>> No.25388714

>>25388659
No one tell her her boob armour is impractical either!

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