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After reading Nemesis, It has come to me that there are more assassins groups that the Officio Assassinorum runs than the usual Vindicare, Callidus, Culexus, and EVERSOOOR!1!!. That they had poisoner types, hackers, and bitches who plan accidents to happen.

How come we never see these in the minis, fluff-rape of Horus Heresy as usual.

>> No.23873284

>>23873270

Err... Perhaps because those assassins actually employ their nefarious skills OUTSIDE the battlefield?

>> No.23873291

...You see much call for a poisoner during a pitched battle?

>> No.23873292
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23873292

>>23873270
Because. if you think about it, the other assassin clades would not stand in the battlefield. Because, as you might know, wh40k are battlefield engagements.

Poisoners, hackers, and accident planners work better in the Political Arena of SCHEMES WITHIN SCHEMES WITHIN SCHEMES.

>> No.23873301

>>23873292
>wh40k games are about battlefield engagement

>> No.23873342
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23873342

>>23873284
>>23873291
>>23873292
Would be interesting if they fluffed out the other Assassin Clades.

Besides poison/hacking/accident-arrangers, what other assassin groups would you guys expect the imperium to have?

>> No.23873359

>>23873342
For one, I believe the Imperium ought to have assassins for Xenos in the political field.

>> No.23873375

>>23873359
Callidus does that. Just look at OP's pic.

>> No.23873391 [DELETED] 

The accident arrangers are the same guys as the poisoners, just FYI to all of you who seem to think they're different.

>> No.23873425

>>23873359
What >>23873375 Said.

In one of the Novels, a Callidus killed and Hijacked a WARBOSS and usingthe disguise to direct the dead warboss's WAAAAGH into a shit end, effectively assassinating both the warboss and the WAAAGH!

>> No.23873516
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23873516

>>23873301

in what sense of engagement?

inb4 "can love bloom..."

>> No.23873571

>>23873516
No one but you was thinking Love Can Bloom though.

>> No.23873604

>>23873270
The Venenum and Vanus come from back in 3rd edition, in the Assassin codex.

>> No.23873653

Hey, the Inquisition have Doctor Who-equivalents, I'd like to see more Clades getting a mention.

>> No.23873679

>>23873653
Ordo Chronos is not.

>> No.23873694

>>23873425
>In one of the Novels
The novels are notorious for their shitty representation of the Orks, and for using them as the go-to beatstick, often by throwing out whatever portions of fluff the writer feels like ("lol, lasguns effortless blow them to bits"). I don't think there's been a single BL novel ever that portrayed Orks in a remotely decent manner, with exception to Deff Squadron.

>> No.23873719

>>23873694
>lol, lasguns effortless blow them to bits
Funny, most Imperial Guard novels I know mention a lot on how Orks can shrug off las-bolts that do not hit anything vital and are bad news in close combat for any Imperial Guard regiment.

>> No.23873720

Are Callidus assassins actually women?

>> No.23873723

So, what would the Vanus and Venenum assassins be like gameplay wise?

>> No.23873733

>>23873720
Nemesis described them as Sexless, though the Callidus there maintians a feminine identity and form.

>> No.23873762

>>23873719
It was an exaggerated example emphasizing a point, not a direct quote. There's plenty of novels that toss away major portions of Ork fluff that goes beyond their toughness (which is subject to the whims of the writer).

>> No.23873770

>>23873720
Yes, they are.

>> No.23873772

>>23873723
Poisoners ought to be like, I dunno, wielding poison darts and blades with rules for poison-reaction (i.e. effects or even the lack of).

>> No.23873934

>>23873694
I liked them in the Cain novels. The old reason Jurgen was able to kill a few of them so easily is because Valhallans are raised from birth being taught how to fight Orks.

>> No.23874007

>>23873291
Dark Eldar do.

>> No.23874056

>>23873720
Depends on when you ask the question.

>> No.23874081

>>23873772
Thats not what they do, they quietly poison someone without ever being caught, they don't charge up to them on an open field in the middle of battle and shank them with a poisoned shiv.

>> No.23874364

>>23874081
And Callidus assassins are masters of infiltration. Things don't always go as planned.

My guess is they'd get needle rifles, rad grenades, and Venom Nails.

>> No.23874477

>>23874364
Callidus are actually fighters as well as infiltrators though.

Giving the poisoners random weapons with a 'poison' theme is not the same thing.
Not everything need to be changed to make it viable for the tabletop, there's such a thing as background information for a setting that doesn't involve the gameplay.

>> No.23874538

>>23873934
The Cain novels are still an example of what I'm talking about.

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