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WIP thread.

What are you working on /tg/.

Currently waiting on a book, the proper bases and some nurglings for these qts.

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Making a tank.

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/tg/ is becomming overrun with Deathguard players


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getting the initial colors onto my titian. The armor looks pretty off right now but I'll be adding on more colors to even it out and make it more like my normal GK.

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Slowly working on my Banshees counts-as Incubi, going for Avatar lookalikes, blood dripping from their hands and everything.

>> No.23678004

I like these, it's an effective colour style you've gone for

>> No.23678172

Looks fucking awesome.

>> No.23678338
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got my 750 points of traitor guard down, just an aegis line and leman russ to round out the 1000

>> No.23678518

Really good

>> No.23678814


what kind/brand of paint you ar using?

>> No.23679953

The +2 save on those cultists is going to make your opponent cry

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>> No.23680478

They're guardsmen

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>> No.23680485

same dealio

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>> No.23680504

Pretty cool.

>> No.23680532
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Made this turret yesterday.

Kinda pales in comparison to the Orky Mammoth tank, yeah...

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WIP World Maggot for my GWAR themed chaos army.

Counts as Beasts of Nurgle.

It still looks pretty shitty, but it's getting closer to looking decent. I hope

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The Chimera in the back are painted now as well. Just waiting on the track guards from FW

they are the front three

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I was building a traitor russ today, got up to make a grilled cheese, tripped over my headphones and landed on it.

I feel dumb

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>> No.23680654

I did the same thing, except I launched the model across the room in an attempt to save it.

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Early stages of the first member of the Sanguinary Guard

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>> No.23680708

Is there a guide you followed? Im trying to get a better grasp on blending and effective gradients

>> No.23680726

Christ. Ever since watching Lost Highway I've developed a fear of glass tables, and this gif makes me nope so hard.

>> No.23680767

I would have suggested using the executioner gun from the leman russ, but that's just me.

>> No.23680799

Not really. I have been looking at Sanguinary Guard models on CMON, but just as reference. What I do is to give a very thin coat of the middle-light shade of whatever color I want to end up with, I then build the shadows in extremely thin coats and then do the same for the highlights. I use VMC, if it is any help. And use the best brushes you can afford. It is fundamentally a question of practice.

>> No.23680811

I hope you were doing the Russ for Tzeench themed army

>> No.23680857

Vallejo Model Air?

>> No.23680864

Vallejo Model Color

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>> No.23681001

Nurgle, so this might work out in my favor

"whats the pile of plastic and shit"
"Nurgle traitor russ"

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>> No.23681027

"neeeds moar...act-ally, that enuf"

>> No.23681066

"Zog me boss... it's bootiful."

>> No.23681093

Yes! White Viking warrior holding an inferior nigger head!

>> No.23681103

I like it

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>> No.23681109

I woz bout to sey needz moar choppa... but ya seem te ave that covared too, boss!

>> No.23681160

these threads remind me why i liked painting the models.

>> No.23681173

I always preferred building them since my paintjobs are shit

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Well this is awkward. You aren't working on that at all. Unless you're working on your own. Because the one in the picture is mine.

>> No.23681237

these threads also remind me i was pretty good at painting, but i didn't want to enter this thread offending anyone. To this day i don't know why i stopped painting, it just happened. I never played the game itself, i just like amassing an army and looking at what i have created. i never did anything other than use the standard pieces, because the purity of how a unit should be is spoiled when you do anything custom

>> No.23681286

I played one or two games I think, the hobby aspect of building painting was what had drawn me in and today I'm even more interested in wh40k but I'm too poor to buy anything

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My latest. Next is their sorc. Going to battle brothers in April.

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you guys made me want to find my old dusty models.

everything looks worse than i remember it. ;_;
These look fucking horrible, and these are the only two that i can actually bear to show you guys, the rest is even worse.

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This model's pissing me off.

>> No.23681477

Win7 paint appearantly can't into .jpg.

>> No.23681499

It may be gross, but you should google pictures of dead and dying flesh and mimic that.

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holy shit, this camera man... i can even see the dust on these, and i can't see that with my naked eye.

>> No.23681548

Is this what happens when you don't think your paints?

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Sorry if there isn't enough gore for you /tg/

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Yeah, yeah, skin tones just get on my nerves it seems. You blend and blend, then you add some stuff, then you blend some more.
How does the color selection/balance look?

>> No.23681582

The green is a bit too slime green for my tastes, I prefer the pale look for nurgle, but that is personal taste.

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Fuck, meant to upload the not so shitty

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And muh trains

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this is what happens when you're a teenager when you start this hobby. I'll give you a glimpse at my most horrible failure.

>> No.23681631

I'll try running a Nurgle Green glaze over it. I sort of like the vibrant 80s green, but it can't be too vibrant 80s.

>> No.23681641

Can it hold water in that vale beneath the bridge?

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But then again, this is also pretty horrible. I don't even know where this was going, color-wise.

>> No.23681679

Yep, it comes down from the mountain peak. There is a little pump inside the hollow mountain

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Here's a picture of my first Hybrid, made for my Genestealer Cult

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>Not having seen Kr00zas Skullhamma from the year the plastic Baneblade kit came out

Why cant I shiggy all of this diggy?

>> No.23681718

Holy shit, I just noticed that! What the hell did I do with it?!

>> No.23681727

Not a mini, so it may not count, but I am working on a leather pouch right now....

>> No.23681757

I always thought the Dreadnought was the most badass unit i've seen. Then i added the flames, instant regret, even back then. the small decorations on the front are also pretty badly done.

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What kind of leather?

>> No.23681772

pics or didn't happen

>> No.23681773

we Esh-esh thread now

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forgot file.

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heroclix. disliked a certain iron man fig, but liked his stats, so, (and i'm so jazzed this is legal in OP) I'm converting the fig to a spess muhrine. fun.

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This is actually pretty decent in terms of how clean i painted it. But the entire black + gold/silver just seems too... generic, maybe even teenager-like if I may. Somehow, i dislike it now.

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First time doing airbrush work but I think it turned out pretty good in the end, now I just need to get some mineral spirits so I can start of those golds.

>> No.23681916

You're scaring the hell out of me, I've only painted an Imperial Guardsmen ever in my life and it turned out pretty horrible.

I guess I will never start painting, would feel like completely dumping money into the lake.

>> No.23681917

You were a Megas fan, weren't you?
Pretty snazzy. How much did your airbrush/compressor cost? I'm interested in picking one up, for tanks and mammoths and shit.

>> No.23681920

they idea is really really good, never saw that before. I might copy this in the future (but I guess not with a worm)

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the fake variety


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You just gotta take your time, man. The three on the right is where I started, and I'd said I've moved up to "not total shit" level, and I don't even paint that much.

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i just started playing fantasy, nearly finished my goblins

>> No.23682024

Well, as long as it's fun, right? I enjoyed myself and (back then) it felt like something i could be proud of.

that looks more similar than i ever could've tried. Never head of it until now, but it's hard to deny the evidence. I just thought flames looked cool, but never had the balls to go with multicolored flames like the Damned Legion. I'm sure it would've looked a lot worse if i had tried that.

>> No.23682046

Well the airbrush I have which is a decent enough
dual action, cost me about 60$ and the compressor was around 80$. Although they were both generic brand from a local hardware store so your mileage might vary, for example the closely equivalent Iwata Eclipse HP-CS costs around 134$.

>> No.23682080

I've picked up that starting one's airbrush career seems complex. Though I'd imagine it'd probably be better to start off with a $60 generic. Not like you need a whole new compressor. How steep would you say the curve is?

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Exactly, after all if I can go from the one on the left to the one on the right in less than a year then surely you can too.

>> No.23682223

It seemed a bit daunting at first but it ended up actually being very easy to paint with, even cleaning it is actually quit simple. You basically just apply the darkest colours to the miniature first, then the next tone from bellow only and the next from a slightly higher angle and so on until you carefully apply the last highlights to specific areas with a very thin beam of paint. At least that's what I did and it turned out just fine.

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>converting khorne madmen into plague marines
>will convert 6 normal csm to plague marines after them
>will gradually repaint everyone from black legion to death guard

>> No.23682267

Sounds like a good project for the summer then. PP will probably hopefully have released the Mammoth. (I know it has an April release date, but I can't trust them with skorne model releases).

>> No.23682274

I've got 140 clanrats I refuse to touch because too much work

>> No.23682584

guys, please constructive criticism me in the ass

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Working on a biker lord.

>> No.23682646

pics or it didnt happen

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>> No.23682726

He's just a mess of parts and blu tac at the moment.

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>> No.23682784
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yeah, nah what

>> No.23682806

so it didnt happen

>> No.23682866

soooo....watcha painting yourself? any pics to share?

>> No.23682874

So many hours

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Still putting these niggas together, that video is the technique im planning on using.

>> No.23682937

forget it, you gonna spend hours to paint barely visible stuff that nobody will appreciate except you ON A FILE AND RANK minies

just, have some pity on yourself

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It's 20 models. I get most of the enjoyment out of painting so I figure. Why not take the time, do something good.

After that, its a few bikes and a biker lord and my defiler. When it comes time to get zomies ill be a bit hastier.

>> No.23683004

addendum: or you may go by my scheme, just change the stuff you dont like

>black prime
>boltgun metal on metaly parts/ trim
>dwarf bronze on other metaly stuff
>gretchin green on armor parts
>elf flesh on flesh
>blood red on deep wounds on flesh and boltguns
>blood red drybrush around the wound
>agrax earthshade wash all over it
>let it dry
>badab black wash all over it

looks nice

>> No.23683057

well yeah it looks nice...but rank and file still shouldnt get such treatment

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Last miniatures I finished.
I didn't shake the matt varnish enough or something, which is why some parts are so shiny or look kinda weird.

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Want to make one of these niggas as a count as Nurgle biker. reaaallly fuck with some niggers

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Why not

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>> No.23683297

>nurgle biker
>a big wet pile of puss driving around the battlefield, giving no shit

if you make him have a scythe and a more nurgle-like mount i am ok with it

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>> No.23683322

>Hates bikes

Besides bloodcrushers, what else is there?

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>> No.23683354


Much less work went into these than into >>23682985

>> No.23683359

if you post one more awesome pick, i swear to god, i gonna dump my warhammer army and will count the overall experience as a failure

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Also thinking of taking a Decimator count as with a contemper

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>not wanting amazing quality for tabletop

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>> No.23683474

A friendly reminder, this is WIP thread, so please save your finished pieces for another thread.

>> No.23683475


I'm fully erect right now.

>> No.23683488

Aw shit I forgot all about da waagh! Thanks man Gonna go rummage the forums for ideas to loot.

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So soon ?
Hmpff how easily you get excited.. it is pathetic.

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Working on my dwarves. opinion so far?

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>> No.23683519


That doesn't look bad but it doesn't compare to the work that went into the blending on the Chaos Lord.

>> No.23683523

It's not like I don't appreciate good work, they really look awesome, but I wouldn't want to touch them after I finished them.

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a resized image, my bad

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>> No.23683555

I've seen these pics posted for months.

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and the backs.

the hardest part is just getting the motivation to paint.

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>> No.23683575


I am just efficient.

>> No.23683588

>those mold lines
>don't be an ass about them, don't be an ass about them, don't be an ass about them, don't be an ass about them...

Other than that, these are nice. I really like the way you layered the colors on the beards, and your basing jobs are very good too.

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>> No.23683628

Thanks, I'm just trying to get all my dwarves painted for a summer campaign, and I'll file down some major mold things but for the most part I ignore them. Ty for the good jobs tho! I've posted other things and been scolded

>I deserved it for that paint job

>> No.23683629

Rance !!!! is that you?
Oh by the gods no !

>> No.23683630


It's shit like this that just makes me want to think off all my army's paint and start over. God, I suck at painting...

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>> No.23683648

and now i am off to work. I did just notice the Mug line is pretty bad. I may refile and paint.

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>tfw you kind of want some of Esh-Esh's kinky rawrings but aren't really the subby type

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like clockwork

>> No.23683677


That makes me wonder, were there ever any Minis for Rifts?

I want a glitterboy.

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>> No.23683689

Holy balls, someone turned up the HDR on that model.

>> No.23683691

Hey guys, I'm just starting to really get into the physical hobby of Warhammer Fantasy and I'm pretty much set on VC, but I find Zombies and Vanilla Skeletons to be really boring to paint. Does anyone have any tips, particularly about neat colors or ways to maybe spruce up their clothing or armor to make them more interesting to paint? It's pretty much killed all of my motivation. Also, does anyone have any tips to get a nice "rotting" color on flesh? The times I've tried the skin comes out too colorful or too pale.

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WHERE do I get nice female models. I want them for my slannesh champion. But I cant find any good ones. Does anyone know a good place?

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>> No.23683860

You sure are working on some BALLER shit

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>> No.23683912
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Have you considered:
Zombie warpaint
Fresh zombies
Mixing in blues into your flesh to make them pale but still colourful
Mixture of a few kinds of zombies
Pale, then going to dark and mud on the feet
Bloody hands and mouths
Skeletons should be SUPER easy, dry brush bone and highlight

>> No.23683977


hah, badass.

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I will name some companies that may have a good selection of female minis compatible with 40k.

>1)Raging heroes,

made by french manufacturer a wide selection of females , sfor slaanesh asharah may suit your tastes

>2)Urban mammoth,
has some females that may suit some tastes , worth checking out

>3)Warmachine ,
You may find some compatible models with good conversion, i have asshlyn d elyse with banner special miniature that i am planning to make an inquisitorial banner carrier. Also kommander zerkova will make an excellent psyker for the IG

i am hesitant to suggest this becouse 40k and infinty style is very different but they may suit some armies.

>5)Reaper miniatures,
has a very very wide array of choices fro female minis, i am sure you will find something that will suit your tastes.

>Note: I recommend against studio mcvey becouse they are very small.

These are the ones i know of when i give it a quick thought, please give more examples /tg/ so that i can get my hands on more lovely ladies muhaha.

>> No.23684085


What is zombie warpaint? Just doing warpaint but on the zombies?

Thanks for the ideas, I'm not terribly innovative and all of the things you've mentioned sound really neat.

I wasn't having trouble painting the skeletons, really. I just found it boring without any options to make them distinct from each other.

>> No.23684107
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Wanted to get back into W40k
But didn't want to spent too much money
so I'm building some frames with lego for my molds

when i'm done i'll start creating the siliconemolds for muh kroots
hope it works

>> No.23684124

I came

>> No.23684137
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started painting my Grott Attack Gun (proxy Big Mek w' Shokk) for my all-grot army

got the Black Library Eisenhorn diorama and wishing i hadn't...

>> No.23684246

You better have lots of grot tanks and a party bus

>> No.23684249

Use the sprues themselves. they make perfect fill lines after.

>> No.23684366
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Big Mek 98
Shokk, Ammo Runt

Big Mek 35

4 Grot Tanks: 195
Rokkits, Kommanda

29 Grots 107
2 Runt Herd

29 Grots 107
2 Runt Herd

29 Grots 107
2 Runt Herd

29 Grots 107
2 Runt Herd

27 Grots 101
2 Runt Herd

Dakkajet 130
Extra Dakka, Fighta Ace

3 Zzap Gunz: 171
+6 Crew, +3 Ammo Runts

3 Zzap Gunz: 171
+6 Crew, +3 Ammo Runts

3 Zzap Gunz: 171
+6 Crew, +3 Ammo Runts

here's the 2nd Big Mek.. the dakkajet i've yet to buy, but plan on stuffing the cockpit full of grots :D

>> No.23684385


Is your base decor cork?

>> No.23684411

thanks for the tip

>> No.23684416
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yuppers; can either drybrush it grey for rocks or blackish grey for tarmac (which i do) then paint road markings on it

>> No.23684464


Guess I am getting me some cork, does crazyglue hold it onto the base, and to the mini well?

>> No.23684497

i use Gale Force 9 Superglue and pin all my miniatures into the base; pake the pin long enough to almost touch the table and you'll be fine :)

the cork was like £5 a sheet in the arts&crafts shop... but i bought a set of 4 placemat / coasters for £1 in a poundland...

>> No.23684794

you know /tg/ I was laying here reading and looking at some of the stuff you guys were working on. I got up intent on doing the basing I was thinking about for my slaanesh daemon army (piles of gold made from fine balast/ or fine slate as GW calls it) I took 5 steps into my work area and saw my cat sitting in my chair and couldn't bring myself to dethrone him.

>> No.23684868
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Just as planned...

>> No.23684955

works out for me in the end I think considering I'm going to a concert later. I'll just work on the stuff tomorrow as well as put my second exalted chariot together.

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>> No.23685063

not a bad beaky, hopefully blends in once base coated.

>> No.23685085

Yeah, still got to add abit of GS to it.. it's alittle blerk atm.

>> No.23685178

woo! someones saved my stuff!

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>the cork was like £5 a sheet in the arts&crafts shop
If you're a drinker (or hang out with drinkers) you can use the cork from a bottle, provided they're actual cork rather than that plastic shit.

That's how I do the bases in my Warmachine army.

Painting Ultramarines, but nothing exciting to show yet.

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because your stuff is really good.. you silly billy.

My diorama is coming along.

>> No.23685244

>the cork was like £5 a sheet in the arts&crafts shop

shits cheap compared to what it runs in the states. $15 for a roll. granted I covered an entire army with 1/4 of it, but still can't find it any cheaper around here.

>> No.23685249

after slipping in the shower, that has made me happy.

>> No.23685312

Ottoman Guard?

That is...original i like it.
Might i ask where you get the figure and how you made the base in detail if that is not much problem for you to describe?

I tried to find some turks but havent found them, neither ww1 nor otto.

>> No.23685429

Sure, Arms and torso are from leman russ kit, added cuffs with greenstuff, The head is a catachan head with greenstuff Ketche and mustache. The legs are from 'Secret Weapon". The actual display is polystyrene, I PVA'd the whole thing sprayed it black, the tree is a twig from the garden and some greenstuff, it's just painted a few different browns and sprinkle of flock in different places.. i'm no good at displays so this is all very simple.

>> No.23685631

oh one question:
should i cut out all models out of the sprues and clean them up?

>> No.23685685


Polysterene? Would never have figured that out, looks fantastic really.

Just remembered this after typing, ww1 ottomans,


They are ww1 but if you want to continue janniseries there may be some bits and pieces that maybe usefull to you too. Writer describes in great detail what he bought and etc.

I bought some trench basing set for my IG from secret weapon but didnt like the brown dirt they gave for basing pieces look a bit big, even after i got it through blender. Any recommendations for a finer basing material and extra things i can use for trench themed base ?

>> No.23685830

whar army is this?

>> No.23685839


>> No.23685862

Osprey Masterclass Terrain Modeling.
Has how to make a WWI trench, might have some good ideas in there for you, I can't find my copy, so can only guess.

>> No.23685958

Death korps of krieg, you can see the ridiculous prices at forgeworld.com and ugly standart gaurd models with not cheap prices at gameswrokshop.com.


Thanks, i love osprey publishing works, they always have good stuff. Havent read the modeling books but their illustrated history stuff was nice.

>> No.23686173

leave them on the sprue, that's how they were made and it's usually the easiest way to do it

>> No.23686788

chaos contemptors on their own are awesome, just field it.

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wip still sculpting the concept for the plague doctor champion, green stuff is so fucking sticky

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this thing is like 90% green stuff 10% plastic stick carved into a sythe

>> No.23687372


Your cottage cheese man-birds never cease to creep me out.

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shit my lunch got on the base. i'll clean it up later

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old pic

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Can't be bothered resizing the photo. sorry. No i'm not.

>> No.23687676

Those shitty big plague drones.

>> No.23687694
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Commission piece, about 8+ hours in it

Pic is one sent to client.

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Other side

>> No.23687779

how was the snow done on those mechs?

>> No.23687849

>What are you working on /tg/
>people proceed to post other people's things


>> No.23687871

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say PVA glue and Baking Soda.

>> No.23687880

Can't a man take a dump without being space wolfed?

>> No.23687907

I never understood the love for Space Wolves, they're heretical.

>> No.23687916

Since you're talking about bases, I have a complete newbie question.

I just got a large based warbeast and although its feet have pegs, the base itself doesn't have a slot, though looking on the bottom it seems to have the seams for one.

Should I flip the base upside down? It'd look kinda ugly with the other stuff there.

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bumping awesome thread with my shitty comeback to painting. The idea is to paint the whole team with lineman being pink, blitzers red, runners yellow...the usual color code

>> No.23687958

A mix of baking soda, white paint, and (white) PVA glue. Becomes a paste-like substance, which you strategically put onto the base with a toothpick/popsicle-stick/stick-like-object.

What's important is having "height" on the base so you can show off the volume of the snow, hence the cork.

I might be basing Strakhov and my first Kommando unit this weekend, so I'll try and get some pictures for you.

>> No.23687990

Drill / cut holes for it to fit, or cut the pegs off, although removing the pegs will give it a weaker bond.

>> No.23687997

Check behind every tree and bus before taking a dump in the woods. They are lurking, waiting... sniffing out heretic poo where ever it may be found.

>> No.23689818

Every time I come into one of these threads I end up wishing I hadn't. /tg/'s definition of decently painted makes me feel like I'm an autistic kid with a brush when it comes to painting.

>> No.23690021

Thats because you are.

>> No.23690038 [SPOILER] 
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Was recently looking around for extra hover bases to base and paint and then came across this old model

vomiting intensifies

>> No.23690445

Well at least I've seen worse than what I've done

>> No.23690537

Lets see.

>> No.23690663

Can't really post pictures from my phone

>> No.23690759

fuck up then.

>> No.23690804
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Master race reporting in.

>> No.23690840


>> No.23690895

Looks great

>> No.23690896
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Hey /tg/ i was recently given some free sunburst yellow and want to try it out on some old test models to see how it looks dry. I know these are fuckugly but which colorway do you like better...

1/2 ?

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or 2/2 ?

>> No.23690921

you'd have to under coat black... then paint yellow. out of your tree.

>> No.23690976


>> No.23691073
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Phoenix Knights use black base-coats with a yellow top coat, is there something wrong base-coating a black under a yellow? I'm going to do the standard 2 coat pass so i wouldn't imagine it would turn out horribly. Sorry if I'm being a tard, I just never tried lighter top coats before.

>> No.23691098

Better than me when I first started. Don't be so hard on yourself, practice makes perfect dude

>> No.23691168

Black shows through yellow really easily. those being undercoated black is surprising, considering they are mostly yellow, under coated white makes more sense. Black goes over white easily.

>> No.23691260

What colour primer should be used for red, say, Blood Angels/World Eaters?

What colour for greens/Salamanders? Black?

>> No.23691280


>> No.23692799

Primer color shouldn't matter. you should be building up from a brown anyways. You don't just prime and start painting yellow.

>> No.23692849

>not using Army Painter colored primer as both your primer and base layer

>> No.23693051

I will forever and always prime black

>> No.23694497

I don't use that for two reasons.
A. it's a pain in the dick to strip from models
B. it's easier and cheaper to prime krylon prime white and apply the ink I want.

why don't you want to become a better painter anon?

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Because I like black primer.

>> No.23694842

Yeah thats a fair point, however if you are basing black then painting brown then painting yellow... and not thinning you are going to get a clusterfuck of painty badness

>> No.23694877

You like it because it fills the dark spaces, this is wrong
What you should be doing is:
Prime a light colour or a light grey, spray your first colour, your base colour, then spray your first highlight colour over the top parts of the model, then your second. Then spray the whole model with a varnish to seal it, then spray your darkest colour for the recesses, black or whatever it is, then use a solvent to remove the black with a cotton bud to reveal the paint underneath.

It creates some nice gradients

>> No.23694944

Nah,thats wrong, stop being so wrong.

>> No.23695043
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Ever looked at a model and done "why does that look so fucking good"

That's why

>> No.23695081

>Hear the gospel of the one true method!

This just might be the best litmus test around for spotting who's stunningly full of shit in painting threads.

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>> No.23695117

>good looking
Yeah, those obvious edge highlights near the big crack are super sexy. /sacracsm

>> No.23695120
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>offer advice on how to paint better
>a bad thing

There is such a thing as a better method

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From the sounds of it, you listed a bunch of spray painting or airbrushing, which I don't really want to do.

>> No.23695147

same method as

>> No.23695162

this is good but not the end all of painting... especially the thumb print on the fuel tank :/ Watching painting secrets with Jennifer Haley, Natalya make me go "why does that look so fucking good" and i'm watching them fuckin do it!

>> No.23695189

>mfw a bunch of people who paint way better than me shit talk each others' work

Feels fucking bad.

>> No.23695196

See this?
>why don't you want to become a better painter anon?
Yeah, that right there. Combined with a very specific way of doing things, that's the manure pile ground fucking zero.

>> No.23695234

>"rotten" nurgle look almost all over
>a few pristine reddish-brown panels

It does stand out a bit...

>> No.23695282

Random bits of uncontaminated tank make it look all the more unnatural.

>> No.23695307
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What I'm experimenting with.
I have to start all over because of the shit job I did, then again I might go with it to deface these dark angels as much as possible.

>> No.23695320
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The point he was making is the technique of bringing back the darkest layer from over the top layer gives you control to create more realistic gradients in your paint and give the illusion of better highlights.

This model wasnt painted by some Golden Demon winner, it was just some dude. Painting light colours over black undercoat is retard painting 101

>> No.23695338
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>that photo

Did you not think as you uploaded it "I should kill myself for uploading a photo this bad?"

>> No.23695365


Frankly, most Nurgle armies disgust me because they're so chaotic. Same with the high detail Ork looted vehicle conversions. I love the "clean" look of this model while it still has the rust and griminess of Nurgle on it.

It has a very clean World of Warcraft-esque aesthetic.

>> No.23695380
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I have no shame.

>> No.23695391
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terminator librarian with the foe smiter

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>> No.23695406

>Painting light colours over black undercoat is retard painting 101

Actually, it's pretty standard. Pretty much everyone I know of does it, from Joe Schmoe to the average 'Eavy Metal employee to Golden Daemon winners.

It might not be efficient, but painting is 90% patience anyways, so just layer up from black with varying shades of a light color. How do you think people get small white details on primarily dark models? For example, priming BT in black is much more efficient than priming in white, and you ARE discussing efficiency here, right? Because that's all it is: saving time and paint.

>> No.23695443

>it was just some dude

You do realise that you can be fiendishly talented without ever winning a lot of trophies, right?

>> No.23695475
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Need some grass on the base among other things... Lucked out on the eyeball

>> No.23695497

But I don't WANT my model to look like that. It is simply too much.

>> No.23695509
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Hey, I just made my TEQ Librarian today too, after it was sitting in its clamshell for like 4 months. What a coincidence!

Finecast is fucking garbage, BTW. Had to experience it myself to see what everyone was bitching about.

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>it may not be efficient, but hurp derp hurp derp

Goddamn, I can tell you right now, no-one with half a brain is going to undercoat in black for a bright yellow or red model if they have the option of a lighter colour

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>> No.23695559

I've moved to a grey, personally. Or prime it all black, then grey over the top as it is upright.

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>> No.23695617

>prime in white
>undercoat black for certain spots
>prime in black
>undercoat grey for certain spots

>> No.23695664

The guys painting yellow models with a black undercoat

>this is dumb, use white

Somehow people disagreed with this very logical concept.

>> No.23695667

As full of yourself as you are, don't go for the final, wafer thin, mint.

>> No.23695707

Im just supporting the idea of better painting, and a technique I think is quite spiffy.

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>> No.23695847

How in Throne's name were these made and what do they count as. I must know!

>> No.23695873

Middle is a plastic Necromancer, to the right is an Ogre body, to the left is a plastic Cairn Wraith and a Wych. Not sure about the other three.

>> No.23695885

Posting other peoples models and then trying to give advice is going full retard.

>> No.23695887


Away team colours for sure.

>> No.23695985
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WIP NOTHERESY plague marines. Ugh, 1 and 3 look like messes.

>> No.23695991

You're an idiot

>> No.23696157

Well posted

>> No.23696194

a-ha figured out my problem. The flat surfaces that I cleaned up with another layer of paint don't really mesh well with the gradient offered by the original wash. I should start using light striping to clean up the surfaces instead of just single tone blobs of paint.

>> No.23696229

The more I look at this the more I laugh

>> No.23696237

>Master race

>Power maul + Plasma Pistol


Looks good though

>> No.23696246

Wait what... your bloodbowl team are tiny bears? Halfling proxies?

>> No.23696257
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These are my first few guardsmen. I'm not sure what colors I want to paint my guardsmen. I'm thinking a navy camo color scheme, Dark blues, and grays. This feels so overwhelming doing all this. Does it get easier after doing this for a while?

>> No.23696298

>Not a resized .jpg
>Just assembled models
>Lascannon + Heavybolter

Stay plebian /tg/

>> No.23696316

Its an auto cannon,


>> No.23696417

Just think of it as a paint by numbers.

>> No.23696419
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Moar orcs

freshly agrax earthshadeded (excellent recommendation from earlier WIP thread /tg/, thanks y'all), still wet.

>> No.23696421


Yes. You start moving faster. It still takes fucking forever though. Especially since you're guard. You have to paint multi-color uniforms, possibly camouflage patterns, and faces.

I just slap blue paint on power armor and call it a day.

>> No.23696456

I haven't bought my paint yet, I still have 20+ guys to build, but do I have to get citadel brand paints or will the model paints from walmart work fine?

>> No.23696500

Yeah just a club would go along way

>> No.23696527


You don't HAVE to get Citadel paints, but I would also not recommend generic Walmart paint. I wouldn't even use hobby/art store paint.

Some good alternative brands to Citadel that are designed specifically for miniatures are Reaper, Vallejo Game Color, and Privateer Press Paint. There are also some other good brands if you do some Google searches, like Coat D'arms and Tamiya, but generally it's just those handful of brands.

If you do decide to get a generic hobby paint brand to save some money, make absolutely sure you buy ACRYLIC and not enamel or lacquer.

>> No.23696532

clump* drunkness begone!

>> No.23696609

>Vallejo Game Color
I'd do this. When I started up again this year I got a starter set of 30 colours (you choice of colour) ran me about $2.3 a pot.

>> No.23696650

Tamiya does good color matching, and though I'll catch flak for this Testors acrylics do a good job as well, especially on WWII German flecktarn and RLM colors.

I've gotten good results using historical patterns on my Valkyries/Vendettas.

>> No.23696703


I have never used Testors paint. In fact, I didn't even know they had a color line. But judging from their varnish alone, I would be willing to try them.

Now that I think about it, it wouldn't make much sense to produce a clearcoat and not colored paint.

>> No.23696707
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I will second the Tamiya paints I have only used their Flat red and a couple of their clear enamels but both have been great,

>> No.23696708
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Just some small things.

>a spotter for a heavy bolter is a bit silly, he's also pointing way too high, I'd say switch the spotters on the HW teams, and lower the binoculars to a more natural resting pose
>Having accessories like the sandbags with the knife in it are easily identifiable, at least reverse the direction of the bag or remove one knife to stop the odd appearance of identical props.
>Sandbags look awesome, use green stuff to make more and having a bit of barbed wire to go with is fantastic.

The trick is to wrap wire around some plyers and then cut the loops to make the barbed wire. http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?33670

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The end result

>> No.23696776

A word of warning when it comes to camo: be sure that you like the various colors together. You might love both, but hate it when they're adjacent. That's actually part of the reason I use WWII colors.

Also, when you do fliers (and if you play IG you DO run fliers, even if you don't know it yet), I advise dark topside patterns with light undersides. In every artwork and most of the WIP shots I see, the underside of aircraft tend to be painted the same as the topside, which defeats the purpose of giving it a camouflage pattern.

Once you start paying attention to realistic details like that though, beware: there's no going back.

>> No.23696831

so if they are already glued, can I remove/move them without everything being destroyed?

>> No.23696842

What are some good fliers? I currently only own a battleforce worth of guys.

>> No.23696849

Vendettas 130ish points for a AV 12/12/10 with 3 twin-linked Lascannons.

>> No.23696869
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oh god i'm gonna do it
i'm so nervous

>> No.23696871

Should be able to use a scaple and cut parts pretty easily. Depends how much plastic glue you used, if its super glue, that shit is brittle as fuck

>> No.23696873

...is that...playdough, wait a second, what are you doing nigger

>> No.23696909

to hold the models for the first form

like this vid

>> No.23696938

Forgeworld, though. Some folk don't take too kindly, which is why I'm kitbashing the lascannons off a Terminus Ultra conversion and magnetizing them.

But yes, the Vendetta tends to spend its time zooming around eating two or three times its points value in other fliers and vehicles unless someone gets a lucky shot in. If the Chimera is the meat of mechguard and veterans are the potatoes, Vendettas are the Guinness. Not central to the concept, but WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT WANT THEM?

>> No.23697018

goodluck my friend

>> No.23697433
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The analpain in this thread is unbelievable

>> No.23697985
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I've been working on a Herald of Slaanesh with a Battle Standard and the Lash of Despair. Fairly WIP at the moment. She needs a lot of GS work extending her gown down the side of her steed and extending the saddle into a slightly more stable platform for her to stand on.

Have an incredibly sub-par phone image.

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>phone image
>Better than 99% of /tg/'s photos

I mean, look at this fucking thing

>> No.23699152

Most phones today have amazing high quality cameras.

And /tg/ers are apparently retards at taking photographs OR they like to use shit cameras that don't have autofocus

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Well, while we're all discussing my shitty photos that are still less shitty than some other peoples' shitty photos, have another angle

>> No.23699311


(That one is much worse than the first)

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The size of the mold makes a waste of silicone in some places.
I'd suggest your fill hole be on the opposide end because of the Kroot hair... things (you'll get a lot of bubbles there either way, it's a pain in the ass at times)
Lastly: add a few more bits of sprue in places for air to escape.
Airways are very important, you don't want to pour and have pockets where air can't escape.
I added in blue my suggestion. and widen the fill spout so you can pour slowly and have air escape there as well.
just roll some of the putty or something.

And be careful when removing the flash.

>> No.23701404

thank you very much

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