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Yo guys time for a arms and armor thread, even thought i don't have any armor.

>> No.23506127
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>> No.23506140

>>23506115
place/century/name?

its obviously south asian, maybe southern indian, but any more specific?

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>>23506127

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Maybe not what you're after, but all I have.

Could be useful in a modern campaign? I don't know.

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>>23506140
Dunno think it is Indian.
>>23506145

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>>23506172

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Cavarly sword-kun, why are you so sexy?

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>>23506207

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http://neptunic.com/sharksuits/ Modern chainmail here.

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This as side arm and a yari as main.

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>>23506216

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>>23506140
Its 18th century south western Indian, but the style dates back to the 13th century, and is based off the "elephant trunk" design used in both hardwood fighting clubs and obviously swords.

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>>23506237

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Stupid sexy polish sabers.

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>>23506259

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>Dem curves

>> No.23506342

>>23506247
Does the Turkish yatagahn derive from these Indian blades, or from the old Greek kopis?

Or maybe both come from the kopis?

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>>23506321

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crossbow

15th century german I think, not sure though

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>>23506247
Actually, the weapon shape is fairly ubiquitous, and tends to be a universal design by fact of functionality. The Style in India, for example is based on an elephant tusk or trunk, and is used as both a sword, and a club known in Indian Martial arts as an "Otta".

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short but heavy verutum throwing spears 3th-4th century.

also a nice late spatha

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>>23506342
Whoops. Meant to link >>23506400 to you.

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>>23506412
I prefer heavy javelins, but light are cool when you play light cavalry.

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>> No.23506494

>>23506353
any one know how to make the firing mechanism?

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>>23506342

Nobody knows. I think it only really pops up around the 15th-16th century, so proposing any direct connection to some weapon of antiquity is kinda far-fetched.

It's a Turkish/Black Sea Region/Balkans weapon mostly.

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>>23506494

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>>23506247
>>23506342

the indian blades almost certainly come from the kopis. The Indians had contact with the kopis through alexander also later through the indo-greek empire and the bactrian empire, both of whom had hoplite mercenaries fighting in parts of india that alexandros never reached.

Europa barbarorum has indian swordsmen with kopis-inspired weapons, and it begins in 270 bc (pic related).

Not sure about the yataghan, if it is indeed greek-inspired then most likely indirectly, taken over from india or persia (the selcuks and ottomans were heavily persian influenced and persian was even the offical language of the rum seljuks)

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>>23506478
imho the swiss saber is one of the most beautiful weapons in history (and surpassing everything I saw in fantasy).

>> No.23506697

A sharp tip, light metal durable frame and as long as your arm.

The basics to a sword made for a man. Or for a man to make his own. The tip must be narrow to split chainmail. The tip must be strong, so that it can also penetrate plate if you hit it straight or a dent. So the frame is good if you single side the blade or double side with a ridge. The ridge can cause it to be heavy. The single blade with a flat back could flex and bend when you don't want it to.

Making a sword is finesse and difficult. You must do it without bending it when cold, so it must be straight when it glows.

The balancing to the handle allows the sword to work with the wrist, like holding a staff in the middle. So it must be full tang(means the blades metal goes through the hand). This also means a weight at the bottom to cap the handle, this keeps the blade from slipping. Wet from blood or sweat, it must stay long after the organic handle wears away or tears off.

This weight at the end can be spiked, but know that this is yet another thing that the user must be wary of. So skill and training determines if this gets a spike.

The blade has many uses, the forward blade near the tip is a weak point and must slide other blades effortlessly towards the hilt where you can push. Or slip away to allow a return attack. This spot must be difficult to dent, for that will create a hook to end the user in combat. The hilt half of the blade can be jagged to make it hard for another blade to slide towards the users tip where the blade can be pushed easily. A spot where you could add a saw to cut wood perhaps. As long as it can catch the edge of a blade, even twist it.

A round edge is for penetrating soft armor. A spike is for penetrating metal armor, and it has to be tough for plate. The length of the weapon is like a spear with the arm extended. Yet it will not break like a spear.

A shield is optional, this item can be used against the user or be a life saver. A shield can always be dropped.

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>> No.23506707

>>23506506
>It's a Turkish/Black Sea Region/Balkans weapon mostly.
Are there yatagahn/kopis like weapons in this region you know of before the 15th century? It kind of feels weird how this sword just shows up out of no where. Maybe it did.

>Yo fuckers check this shit out
>Aww shit look at what Orhan's got, dawgs!
>Yo dawg where you git dat shit?
>Out mah dick nigga

>> No.23506752

>>23506540
Thank you.

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>>23506697
Forgot to add my image. This is my choice. Double blade because of a shield. Twin curved hilt catch to twist blades. The low shield reverse cut requires the sword to be long and light at the tip. This swords tip in the viking era has penetrated many chain and plate armors. Even modern metal plate will be penetrated by it and you can search for videos of it.

A very nice sword. If no strength for it, use a gladius with a sharp tip instead.

>> No.23506807

>>23506707

Well obviously the kopis, but that was almost two thousand years earlier.

As I said, if it derives from the kopis then over india->persia->anatolia.

Legend says it was developed by a seljuk called Osman, nicknamed Yataghan (not the same osman as ottoman osman), who also gave his name to a Village, which was and is famous for its knives and yataghans.

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>> No.23506958

>>23506805
>Double blade because of a shield. Twin curved hilt catch to twist blades. The low shield reverse cut requires the sword to be long and light at the tip. This swords tip in the viking era has penetrated many chain and plate armors. Even modern metal plate will be penetrated by it and you can search for videos of it.

bullshit.
No sword can pierce plate. And almost no sword, except for a heavy and pointy great sword or type XVIIIe will even pierce good mail.


and those "proof" videos are ridiculous.
stabbing some modern, not-hardened, shitty replica plate or butted, non-flattened mail without gambeson underneath proofs nothing.

The reason pointy swords correlate with heavier armour is simply that they have an easier time getting into the gaps between the plates. This is seen in the late 14th and 15th century (in the 16th century broader blades reappear, because there is more unarmoured infantry again).

But there is another reason a viking sword was not used to pierce plate (apart from it not working); there was no plate armour during that time! (Apart from the very rare Thorax Heroikon very, very rarely seen amongst byzantine guardsmen and officers)

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Dumping the traditional assortment of weird and crazy weapons before I I have to go.

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Two-tongued sword.

>> No.23507233

>>23506958
>calling my evidence fake
>"what I say is truth"
>this is this and that is that
You don't know much about viking warfare do you? They made weapons that pierced their (superior design) chainmail. They made plate obsolete with their weapons and tactics.

I won't bother you with the evidence videos if you won't watch them.

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>>23507226
Boar hunting great sword.

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>>23507240
Scissor dagger

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>>23507277
Adaga thrusting shield

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>>23507306
Axe-mace

>> No.23507338

>>23506652
I agree 100%

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>>23507324
"Mr. McFisty", war-pick

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>>23507351
Serrated Voluge, specialized for killing/wounding/ terrifying horses, and pulling riders from their saddle.

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>>23507389
Various early middle eastern swords showing khopish ancestry/evolution.

>> No.23507436

>>23506707

Well, there's always the chance that the type butcher's tool that inspired the Kopis kept being used in the region. Can't say that I've got any idea how people carved up their Thuna during the 15th century.

>> No.23507462

>>23506855

That's apparently a black sea greek style blade.

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>>23507417
Sorry, african/middle eastern.

Last one for now, will dump more tonight, and im trying my best to avoid "weapon+gun" stuff you see all the time.

16th Swiss battle axe, with "claw hammer".

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This here is probably the best looking sword I have ever seen.

>> No.23507484

>>23507389

Not really. It's a honour gard voluge, that of some bavarian king's honour gard, to be exact.

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>> No.23507524

>>23507484
The style is based off of some german and swiss anti calv polearms. That one is just pretty.

>> No.23507538

>>23507475

Two of those are throwing knifes from one of the countries along the upper Nile. I'd post the pdf, but it's timestamped and everything.

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>> No.23507639

>>23507621
>next up, on "Weapon or Buttplug?"

>> No.23507668

>>23507233
He didn't say they were fake, nor that he didn't watch them.

He said they were ridiculous, which they are.

>> No.23507690

>>23507417
Lol no, those aren't from the middle east, they are from Sub-saharan africa. And they will not have more than 2 hundred years. The ancestor of the Kopis/falcata was a falked knife more like the falx.

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>>23507233
I hope you are trolling

>You don't know much about viking warfare do you?

pf, yeah, obviously

>They made weapons that pierced their (superior design) chainmail

its not called chainmail, its called mail. Also superior design, superior to what?

And no, no viking weapon except maybe the really heavy bladed spears (Maybe these are the Atgeirr/Bryntröll of the sagas?) or the best longsbows, could pierce mail. Axes could injure a man through armour though, with their blunt trauma.

Yes, in Harðars saga a man is slain in two even though wearing mail but that is obviously the medieval equivalent of splatter. It is impossible to cleave a man in half with one blow of a viking sword, even more so if he wears mail. No sword can cut through mail, not to mention PLATE.

>They made plate obsolete with their weapons and tactics.

And now we are getting into the realm of full retard.

How can 10th century viking swords make plate armour obsolete if plate armour evolved in the late 14th century and was used up to the 17th century?


>I won't bother you with the evidence videos if you won't watch them.

I watched many of those and they are all flawed for the reasons I posted in my other post.


Also I highly suggest you to read this:
(this shoudl be a sticky btw, given how many discussions I had with people claiming Bows shoot through mail or even plate like its paper)

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_mail.html

>> No.23507778

>>23507639
Considering common tactics known to be used with daggers, the answer is likely "yes".

>> No.23507792

>>23507483
hnnng.
I love complex hilt swiss sabers but the simplicity of a 15th century longsword looks great on them, too.

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>>23507351
those are an extremely common style of warhammer. Most examples are from the 15th century and of simpler design.

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Infantry sword, one edged, munition grade, with handguard. The kind of weapon an arrayed or yeomen longbowman would wear.

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15th century two handed axe. Backspike for use against armour.

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I got no clue what this is.

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>> No.23508003

>>23507983

Seems like a side view of a sheathed dagger if you ask me. The handle's coming apart.

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"bar" mace, 14th century.

I imagine it to be almost unbearably heavy. (I have never handled one, though)

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>> No.23508060
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the original

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>> No.23508109

>>23508015

It is pretty damn heavy. I actually own the Windlass Steelcrafts replica, and it's goddamn ridiculous. Both how brutal and how heavy it is.

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>>23508060
there were also one handed ones

(I think that a weapon that is two handed has to be around 2 meters long to be as effective as sword and shield, or around 1.4 if its a sword, otherwise its only useful as secondary weapon. Thus I don't like most two handed maces, too heavy and too short)

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>> No.23508178

>>23508126
Gotta plan ahead in case of battle boners.

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>>23508109
cool. I'd imagine IF it it hits you, you are done (not necesserily dead, but knocked down), even through armour.

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spiky 15th century voulge

>> No.23508407

>>23508178
>battle boners

>> No.23508450

>>23507983

A case of civilian jian. Basically tw swords in a single scabbard.

Seems to have been fairly popular during the 19th century.

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4-6th century korean or chinese cavalry

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iron manchira.

Basically a japanese kazaghand (mail or double mail sewn between padding). I am not sure if its stand alone defense, underarmour or both though

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Japanese horse armour.

Yes, it existed. Mostly leather though (Japanese armour is NOT mostly leather btw, nor bamboo/wood, its metal)

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Japanese mail suits

Japanese mail is often inferior to european one, because they often DID use butted mail. They also often had an opener mesh.

Japanese also had european style mail though, 4-in-1, flattened, riveted.

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aasimar samurai?

>> No.23508885
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kobuso.

ninja/shinobi often disguised themselves as kobuso.

>> No.23508910

>>23508885
does that guy have a basket on his head?

>> No.23508928
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the arm armour of this one is remiscent of 16th century european "almain rivet" sets.

>> No.23508939

>>23508910
Japan is weird.

>> No.23508940

>>23508782
They did have some odd weave patterns to reinforce the mesh, though.

>> No.23508983
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>>23508928
uncanny

>> No.23508987

>>23508910
He's obviously LARPing Skyrim.

>> No.23508992

>>23508910
yep, the komuso wear basket helmets to show their absence of ego.

there large bamboo flutes are used in meditation techniques called Suizen and are heavy enough to be used as clubs.

>> No.23509021

>>23508992
*their

>>23508983
lol

I think its supposed to be tengu-style helmet. (Tengu=mythical japanese sword master bird people)

>> No.23509026

>>23508992
Absence of ego?... Are the really that concerned with PR at the expense of combat effectiveness?

I mean, I'm not a samurai or anything, but I can't imagine a basket would be a convenient or useful piece of headgear.

Frankly, I can see it getting in the way of a fight and getting the wearer killed.

>> No.23509036

>>23508910

They're monks of an esoteric sect. They've got the license to be wierd.

>> No.23509047

>>23509026
>Are the really that concerned with PR at the expense of combat effectiveness?

That seems like the point of most honor codes, yes.

>> No.23509066

>>23509026
It's not a combat thing, it's a religious thing. They're from the Fuke sect of Japanese Buddhism.

>> No.23509087

>>23509047
Most Honour codes are less invasive though.

>Don't attack an unarmed man
>Don't rape people for fun
>etc

Not

>Be severely debilitated for little to no reason and risk your life.

>> No.23509095

>>23509026

They aren't ninjas themselves, they're an esoteric sect of Buddhist beggar monks. It's just that legends claim that some ninjas simply adored the helmet and the cover story you automatically get if you dress up like them.

>> No.23509117
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fur covered armour + buffalo horns

>> No.23509144

>>23509095
>>23509066
Oh, I see.

My bad, I jumped to assumptions because of the more military bent of the rest here.

>> No.23509210

>>23509144
yep, its not that battle related, but because I guessed people go here for chracter/design inspiration, I'd add it.

I'd love to play a samurai with a somewhat less restricting variant of that, though

>> No.23509257
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the japanese war hammer. Not really a battle weapon though (too heavy) and rather used in sieges.

>> No.23509272

>>23509210
So showing absense of ego?

No magic armour?

>> No.23509275

>>23509087

Before the world geared up for WWI, European nations actually had a fairly complicated code of conduct for war involving parley, mid-combat breaks to collect each side's dead and regroup, and who could honorably attack whom (based on station and other factors).

Not that everyone necessarily followed these rules all the time, but those who didn't were dishonorable.

Often, they were dishonorable winners, and it was up to them and history to decide which of the two words carried more weight.

>> No.23509281
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suit of armour completly covered in shark skin.

>> No.23509340
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now moving on to south asia

>>23509272
make it magic in your setting?

>> No.23509367
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dagger with two blades and hand guard

>> No.23509382
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Xena style
(A sikh weapon)

>> No.23509420

>>23509382
Saw these before, always wondered how effective they would actually be.

Seems like they would be fairly useless against an armed enemy, most things would have the advantage on reach, you know?

>> No.23509436
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>>23509382
btw If you are ever visit london, watch the wallace gallery, most awesome place for weapon and armour enthusiasts. Also has some nice 18th century paintings and baroque interior architecture.

Armour with tits, shield with face

>> No.23509506
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>>23509420
yep, I'd think even a good leather armour/padding would protect against those.

But they have rather good reach (apparently some can be thrown over 100 m), are smallish and thus can be carried in large number and can be thrown really fast one after the other.

Also, as with all ranged weapons, the effect on morale should not be underestimated.

>> No.23509539
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sikh helmet, designed to not interefere with the turban worn underneath

>> No.23509578
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This is 15th-17th century and definitly shows how similar indian armour of the time was to ottoman or persian ones.

>> No.23509631
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17th century dutch picture of a southern indian (kingdom of bisnaga) soldier

>> No.23509635

>>23509506
I thought they were melee?

Fair enough then.

>> No.23509646
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central indian panoply

>> No.23509654

>>23509026
I think they're concerned with religion more than PR. When someone looks at them, the basket's role is to eliminate one's ability to immediately think "AM I KAWAII UGUU" in terms of the instinctive need to evaluate other people's opinion of you and the need to seek for approval. Also, the whole bit about combat effectiveness kind of meets with the whole "dying? Oh well, guess I'll have to respawn as a mudkip again"-thinking they have going on.

>> No.23509700
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A lacquered crossbow stock with a bronze mechanism

3rd Century BC, Warring States Era China

>> No.23509740
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>>23509635
both. Also depends on the size.

pic related

>> No.23509805
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>>23509700
those han crossbows were awesome.

they were extremly hightec (the trigger system was so fine, that barbarians could not copy it, also it has a really long draw length, making it strong for its low draw weight).

>> No.23509826
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more indians

this time ancient

>> No.23509870
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another ancient guy

he could have fought against alexandros, or against/for the later bactrians.

>> No.23509896
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>> No.23509897

>>23509740
>who needs armor when you have a sweet hat and short shorts

>> No.23509946
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23509946

>>23509631

It's always fun to know some more true-to-life illustrations because that way you can tell what the artists probably saw and how he changed it to fit into the stilistic conventions of his art.

Like he did get the lenght of the pants right and the very general cut of the shirt and the shield's probably based on an actual example too... but he totally derped out on everything else.

I can just imagine Ye Olde Dutch Marvel-Editor telling him that "This is good art, it's in line with our industry standards."

>> No.23509973
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mughal delivering presents to his waifu

>> No.23510031
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>>23509946
lol yeah, althoguh there might also be some truth in the hilt/weapon, but the proportions look totally off

>> No.23510057
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>>23509946
switching to other indians now, inspired by your pic

Tlingits are so weird, weirder than most fantasy concepts.

>> No.23510069
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>> No.23510089
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>> No.23510137

>>23510069

This is when you know that shit has hit the fan.

>> No.23510138
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>> No.23510177
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>>23510137
lold

>> No.23510222
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"A Tlingit war party was impressive. Each fighter wore a heavy elkskin tunic beneath an armored breastplate of wood slats or rods, painted with the crest figures by which he was inspired, and above a collar or visor which covered his face towered a massive wooden helmet carved and painted to represent a war animal or bird, or a human face depicting a shamanic spirit. Such figures step straight from the mists of mythical time and are endowed with supernatural strength[.] They are no longer human, transformed instead into seven foot giants whose terrifying visages are intended to strike fear into the hearts of their opponents. These masked warriors invoked the power of the shamans who guided and protected them, and their helmets may relate to the northern use of decoy hats to lure their victims to the hunters' weapons."

>> No.23510233
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>> No.23510252
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>> No.23510269
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>> No.23510359
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dog soldier

they had their one song which only they were allowed to sing and often were half lakota, half chayenne.

They also had long loin clothes, which they nailed into the ground when fighting on foot, only considering retreat when a comrade has removed the wodden spike from the cloth.

>> No.23510458
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Another crazy warrior society: Reverse Warriors

They would do the opposite of what there feelings were telling them or the opposite of what they were commanded to do.

They would attack even more vigorous when fearful and only retreat if commanded to attack.

>> No.23510471
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pre gunpowder wooden armour was more widespread amongst native americans.

>> No.23510494

>>23510458
Of all the D&D creatures to be based on real-world things, I would've never guessed that the Nilbogs actually have a real-world cousin.

>> No.23510498
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>> No.23510565
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>> No.23510582
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>>23510471

From the few hints we have it seems that leather armour in this style was used in North America as well.

The problem is that the systematic documentation of the First Nations only started when they had already had horses and guns for the longest time. At that point even the old habit of poisoning the bullets the way they used to poison their arrows had fallen wayside.

>> No.23510641
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>>23510582
we do have this picture of a 17th century huron, which the picture I posted above is based on.

but large and large you are correct

>> No.23510705
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and both of these >>23510582
>>23510641

remind of this guy here

>> No.23510713

>>23510222
Not quite south enough to be in my area, but goddamn do I love me some pacific NW indians.

>> No.23510743
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>>23510713
the nootka make nice clubs

>> No.23510761
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now going south

>> No.23510783
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caribbean

>> No.23510799
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>> No.23510842
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the adventure I am GMing atm took place in something like the caribbean mixed with a bit of madagascar actually (pirates, giant lemurs, native warriors, sea battles and sieges)

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>> No.23510912
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Huaxteca (they often fought naked) vs aztecs

thats it for now

>> No.23510966

>>23510912
even though they often walked around naked they were highly civilized, building pyramids etc. and being famous in mesoamerica as musicians

>> No.23514721

Bump

>> No.23514892
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>>23510966
some one said mesoamerica?

>> No.23515121
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gonna dumb a little more before I go to sleep.

>> No.23515165

>>23510912
>>23510966
Why not be naked? It's fucking hot 24/7 there.

>> No.23515188
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more mesoamerica

>> No.23515208
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>> No.23515231
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>>23515165
well the aztecs wore loincloths, ponchos etc., so did most civilizations of mesoamerica

>> No.23515245

>>23508987
>>23508987
well played sir, well played.

>> No.23515260

>>23515208
Beautiful scene anon.

>> No.23515291
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They only used copper for axes, and, rarely, for round maces.

>> No.23515335
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MORE

>> No.23515342
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gotta love the skull/demon suits

>> No.23515382
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Note the priest; he is painted in black collar, has taken drugs that alter his eye colour (ganja?), frayed his ears and sharpened his teeth.

Also note the throwing spears which apparently existed side by side with the lighter darts thrown with the atlatl.

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>>23510177
>>23510138
>>23510089
>>23510069
>>23509946

>tfw you once knew a Tlingit girl
>tfw she crushed your heart
>ruined all future relationships, been 3 years and I feel she was the one that got away
>slowly learn to suppress it
>see this thread

>f-fuck you...

>> No.23515509
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Skull demon (tzitzimitl) suit wearer/knight

>> No.23515539
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>>23515484
lol srsly? I am sorry

>> No.23515576
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another skull knight and an officer

>> No.23515606

>>23506237

Why the waves?

>> No.23515632

>>23515539
Its all good man, ill probably just listen to depressing music for a few days, become emotionally distant from my current girlfriend, then be right as rain again.

>> No.23515653
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Zapotecs.

The priest weres a suit made of human skin, which was said to make crackling sounds when dry, similar to the skin covering maize, thus being a symbol of fertility.

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>> No.23515711
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>>23515653
MIXTECSSS

>> No.23515837
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>>23515606

They are mainly cosmetic, but peole (falsely) believed them to cause a more vicious wound. It HAS some effect on a draw cut (think serrated kitchen knife), but such a long sword is mainly for distance fighting.

The waves might also make it easier to control the oponents blade, since it will slide down your blade more slowly.

Pic: Maya warriors

>> No.23515865

>>23510222
BRB, making Space Marine Chapter based on them, fuck yeah

>> No.23515901
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maya (necromancer) bone knife

>> No.23515923
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>>23515865
awesome.

Primitive world spacemarines are a cool thing

>> No.23515980
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inca noble or king with typical "gearwheel" style stone mace and copper halberd (!)

>> No.23515999
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>>23515980

>> No.23516015

ok image max reached, thats it for today, gn8

>> No.23516026

>>23515999
lol, I was about to post a moche, too

>> No.23516072

>>23516026
One day, i hope to see a rpg like L5R about the ancient cultures of america.

>> No.23516289

>>23516072
so basically a theme park version of their cultures that looks absolutely nothing like the real cultures looked like and makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever?

>> No.23516301

>>23515980
This man has a halberd, thus he would automatically pwn everybody else in this thread.

>> No.23516608

>>23510069

some of these man have flinlock rifles

>> No.23516778

>>23516608
Yup. Like a lot of tribes, the Tlingits traded for guns when they could.

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