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[ERROR] No.21668271 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Who do you think is the best General and Tactician in 40K?

Let us examine a list of the greatest Generals in 40K

Imperium : Ursarkar E. Creed, Leader of the Imperial forces in Cadia
Space Marines :Chapter Master Calgar of the Ultramarines
Eldar : Autarch Yriel of Craftworld Iyanden
Chaos : Lord Abaddon, Warmaster of Chaos
Orks : They are brutes who are incapable of sound strategy and tactics, No Ork character is worthy of being called a General.
Tyranids : The Legendary Swarmlord
Tau : Not a single one of their commanders is accomplished enough to be regarded as a ''Great General''.
Necrons : Imotekh the Stormlord, Phaeron of the mighty Sautekh Dynasty.
Dark Eldar : Excellent schemers and plotters, but they don't show much grasp over grand strategy. None of their characters can be regarded as a General,

>> No.21668277

Nobody.

>> No.21668302

>>21668271
>Chaos: Lord Abaddon, Warmaster of Chaos
You gotta be squiddin'

>> No.21668312

>>21668271
>Ork
> brutes who are incapable of sound strategy and tactics
>Sneaky Gits/Kommandos
in the fluff they make tactics not even the imperium would guese !

>> No.21668314

>>21668271
Orks have Ghazgkull, he isn't brilliant by most means but he is cunning

Tau have Farsight or Shadowsun.

Ignoring plot armour Creed wins because infiltrating titans

Counting plot armour marysue Calgar chapter master of the ultra sues lord of suecragge

>> No.21668325

>>21668312
And I think a proper WAAAAAAAGH
is a great tactic on its own!!!

>> No.21668378

No contest.

>> No.21668409

>Yriel
>not Eldrad (who is a dick)

>> No.21668461

>>21668271
Yarrick>Creed

>> No.21668476

>>21668314
>Counting plot armour marysue Calgar chapter master of the ultra sues lord of suecragge
who go beaten by the swarm lord at the battle for macragge.

>> No.21668478

>>21668409
Eldrad's dead, dude.

>> No.21668504

>>21668271
>Space Marines :Chapter Master Calgar of the Ultramarines

Uh, you know that Calgar deferred command to Dante on Armageddon because he recognized him as a superior leader, right?

>> No.21668506

Dark Eldar, Vect, Malys, Rakarth. Do you even know what you're talking about?

>> No.21668507

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka motherfucker.
This fucker checked Armaggedon twice.
A high percent of the Imperial forces are derelicted to this planet so he cannot march against Terra.

>> No.21668527

CREEEEEEEEEEED

>> No.21668550

>>21668271
>Orks : They are brutes who are incapable of sound strategy and tactics, No Ork character is worthy of being called a General.
Yet, they still pull off all of the actually impressive stuff.
Everyone's fluff but orks (and DE, to an extent)
>He did this totally, positively, absolutely RETARDED thing, but he pulled it off because he's such a genius

Orky stuff
>Tellyportas, not "Hurr, let's drop/teleport right on this area choke-full of hazardous stuff and heavily AA defended / under warp-shielding"
>Tactical nukes on strategic ennemy locations, not "Plan A failed? Exterminatus"
>Fuck-U-Boats surprise runs, not "Ok, let's use Standard Issue Tactic 3, it will surprise them because, clearly, no one has done it before"
>Psychological warfare (actually everyone does it, Snikrot and the guys from the war of Dakka just do it better)

It's basically "Show, don't tell". Orks have plans. Non-greens merely have exceptionnal individuals that are still nothing to write home about.

>> No.21668577

>>21668504

Guilliman was also not the best tactician among primarchs, as well. I think it was Lion or Sanguinus that he said was the better tactician.

Doesn't surprise me, Ultramarine figures keeps being wrongly referred to as the best tacticians when really they are just the best logisticians and most efficient.

>> No.21668586

>Excellent schemers and plotters, but they don't show much grasp over grand strategy.
Bullshit man.

>> No.21668594

>>21668504
He did it out of respect for his senior battle brother, not because Dante was actually better than him.

>> No.21668597

>>21668577
>best tactician Primarch
There is no such thing.

>> No.21668600

>>21668271

>Tau : Not a single one of their commanders is accomplished enough to be regarded as a ''Great General''.

Puretide. Farsight. R'alai.

>> No.21668609

>>21668271
Imotekh the Stormlord

After that most Space Marine Chapter Masters with Creed and the Swarmlord mixed somewhere in there.

>> No.21668618

>>21668600
>Didn't mention Shadowsun

Sexist...

>> No.21668638

>>21668600
Just Puretide actually. His successors are nowhere near tactical awesomeness.

>> No.21668647

>>21668271
Plo'Armorai has saved the Tau with his cunning and genius many times OP

>> No.21668650

>>21668597
>Angron is just a good a tactician as Lion

Haha.

>> No.21668653

>Orks : They are brutes who are incapable of sound strategy and tactics, No Ork character is worthy of being called a General.

Someone hasn't read Rynn's World.

>> No.21668658

>>21668314
>Tau have Farsight or Shadowsun.

Cite anything impressive they have done.

>Orks have Ghazgkull, he isn't brilliant by most means but he is cunning

Orks rely on the strength of their Boyz rather than the cunning of their chieftains.

Their armies is a mess with each group of them doing their own thing. Almost zero coordination and cohesion.

>> No.21668662

>>21668271
>Orks: Ghazghull and other kunnin' boyz.
>Tau: Commander Farsight
>Dark Eldar: Azdrubael Vect. The guy's been top dog for thousands of years because he's smarter than everybody else.

>> No.21668668

>>21668577
Alpharius Omegon had/has a pretty good claim to the title of best tactician among the Primarchs.

>> No.21668670

>>21668271
>dark eldar
their leader's fluff stops just short of calling him a mortal Tzeetch.

>> No.21668671

>>21668650
>implying i said all primarchs have same tactical skill
Basic logic toddler. Use it.

>> No.21668683

>>21668658
>Orks rely on the strength of their Boyz rather than the cunning of their chieftains
Their Meks got paroxysmic flashes of brilliance which put them ahead sometimes. They are unpredictable as fuck.

>> No.21668689

>>21668658
Shadowsun commanded the third esphere expansion.
And about Ghazgkull, he is cunning as a Gretching.
He ordered the attack with submarines at Hive Tempestora when the Guard though no one would come from the sea.
He is known for macromanagemente, and only fights in big battles.

>> No.21668705

>>21668271
>Tau: Not a single one of their commanders is accomplished enough to be regarded as a "Great General"
>Implying Commander Puretide doesn't exist
>Implying he's not written The Art of War for the Tau
>Implying he wasn't such a great warrior poet that he was allowed to become a travelling hermit, teaching the Fire Caste wherever he went.

Not saying he's anywhere near the best in the galaxy compared to the other big names, but Puretides' teachings are the foundations for modern Tau doctrine. He's probably the best they ever had, and if he's still alive/doesn't get retconned in the new fluff, would be one of those rare Tau who've survived for a couple of hundred years.

>> No.21668707

isn't vect supposed to be the best thing ever?

>> No.21668708

>>21668689
>Ghazkull only cares about big battles.
Well duh, it's not like he's some sneaky pansy who fights skirmishes.

>> No.21668718

>>21668707
It's confirmed in the fluff.

Imotekh is Greatest of them all.

Stop arguging already.

>> No.21668720

>>21668707
You'd think so, but no. Imotekh is the greatest military mind outside of the Warp, if Brother Ward is to be believed.

>> No.21668731

>>21668718
Just out of curiosity, what has Imotekh done that was so brilliant? Didn't he just state "drop pods are stupid" and order the Phalanxes to engage the enemy?

>> No.21668733

Where is muh macharius

>> No.21668736

>>21668720
You doubt the writings of Mathias Ward?

>> No.21668742

>>21668733
I dunno. Retconned?

>> No.21668744

>>21668742
dead

>> No.21668754

>>21668720
>>21668718
Imotekh isn't nowhere near Greatest General ever. Being able to see the patterns in ennemy strategies doesn't change the fact that he suffer from MASSIVE "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my claws" and from such perfectionnism that he simply can't into orks.

Zahndrek is a much better general, at least his insanity doesn't get in the way of battlefield efficiency.

>> No.21668777

>>21668671

If there is a difference, then there is going to be a best.

>> No.21668781

>>21668754
Just saying, he's teh greatest evar in canon. Like it or not, that's the way it is.

>> No.21668784

>>21668618
Didn't Shadowsun take down a whole SplitterFleet without losing a single ship?

>> No.21668790

Is Abaddon more powerful than Horus?

>> No.21668798

>>21668784
She did, but considering the fluff on Splinter Fleets I'm betting it was a pretty sorry excuse for one. More like a Splinter convoy than a fleet.

>> No.21668805

>>21668784
Even as a Taufag, I don't think that was too impressive in fluff. Out-adapting the nids *was* impressive, but that's more the Earth Caste's victory really. Maugun Ra beat an entire splinter fleet on his own, remember. Somewhat trumps an entire empire beating one.

>> No.21668809

>>21668790
Horus had a bigger force at his command, so he's more powerful in that sense. As for physical and sorcerous power, Horus was probably more powerful in that sense as well.

>> No.21668812

>>21668790
You got the rules retard.

>> No.21668814

>>21668781
Yeah, no. The "greatest evar" doesn't get ousted from his battleship like a bitch.

Imotekh greatest strength is his starting forces. Unlike other Phaerons, his dynasty didn't get shafted by lady luck during the Long Sleep. So he could just snowball by saying "See that? I have more dudes and they are better equiped. Now join me or die". Rinse, repeat.

>> No.21668821

>>21668754
Your forgetting that the ONLY way to beat the Stormlord you have to abandon all logic and rationality which is kinda hard for the civilized races of the galaxy.

>he simply can't into orks.

He just can't achieve a lasting VICTORY over the Orks like the rest of the galaxy. They Orks keep coming back to throw their lives at him.

>MASSIVE "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my claws"

He is an Immortal invincible Phaeron. Very few foes could match him in mortal combat.

At best, this is a small chink in his impressive armor.

>Zahndrek is a much better general, at least his insanity doesn't get in the way of battlefield efficiency.

The Nemesor doesn't possess the brilliance of the Stormlord.

So no...He isn't the superior commander.

>> No.21668826

>>21668809
Something that really bugged me, Horus was a champion of Chaos right? Why aren't any of the other primarchs that fell to Chaos champions as well? It's clearly proven that they're almost as powerful as the Emperor himself

>> No.21668829

Orks?

Snikrot. Only Ork the Armageddon Ork Hunters fear.

>> No.21668835

>>21668805
Maugna Ra beat a Swarm of an unknown size, not a Splinter Hive Fleet.

>> No.21668843

>>21668826
Horus was the best Primarch. Seriously.
>It's clearly proven that they're almost as powerful as the Emperor himself
I know it says that in the rulebook but that's bullshit. Vanilla primarchs can't hold a candle to Emperor's might. Just by the feats alone.

>> No.21668856

>>21668814
It is written in canon that he is the greatest military mind in 40k. Even if the fluff doesn't really show him as anything but an arrogant and incompetent commander, he is still canonically considered to be the greatest. It sucks, but that's just the way it is. Relay your praise/complaints to Mat Ward.

>> No.21668870

Creed already won.

>> No.21668886

>>21668826
Primarchs aren't really that powerful compared to Emps. The guy could destroy stars by thinking about it hard enough, and had more experience than the lot of them put together. And he's immortal.

>> No.21668893

>>21668856
> Even if the fluff doesn't really show him as anything but an arrogant and incompetent commander

Errr...the Codex has a lot examples of him crushing his enemies.

So you will throw all that away and call him incompetent because one SPACE MOROON got lucky?

>> No.21668897

>>21668886
> The guy could destroy stars by thinking about it
wat

>> No.21668914

>>21668893
Nah, but lots of characters in 40k have done shit that could qualify them for being the greatest. But he is the greatest, which puts an end to any argument.

>> No.21668916

>>21668897
Yes.

>> No.21668938

>>21668856
No it isn't. It is written in canon that he is a great military mind, PERHAPS the greatest of them. There's more "perhaps greatest X" in 40K than there's dicks in Slaanesh's garden.

>>21668821
>He is an Immortal invincible Phaeron. Very few foes could match him in mortal combat.
Like every other Phaeron ever. Being murder on wheels in duel is what they do, both in fluff and on the table.

As for the rest, Imotekh has a major problem in the course for "Bestest evar" : he never did anything worth noting. What he did is :
- conquer worlds one by one
- give some retarded farseer from Alaitoc the middle finger
- troll the Black Templar and get savaged for it in naval warfare
- kill some no-namers offscreen

Actually potent opponent (Tau Empire, Ultramar, the IoM in general, the Eldars in general) are barely aware of his shit. He probably can stop a Crusade, a full-on assault from a Craftworld or a decently sized Waaaagh!. But he hasn't DONE it yet.

>> No.21668950

The butthurt Tau whining in this thread is hilarious.
Enjoy your shitty race that will not accomplish anything ever.

>> No.21668982

Do the Chaos Gods count?
If so, Tzeentch wins this silly contest.

>> No.21668984

>>21668914
Just saying that not only he IS the greatest but also has the fluff to back it up.

Unlike mister Abaddon whose fluff nonperformance paints him as utterly incompetent dispute his background fluff calling him the ''Imperium's Greatest Menace''.

Those who challenge the Stormlord supremacy have no grounds to stand. He is in name and action the greatest of them all.

>> No.21669063

Vect could probably been alot better, the problem is that while he is planning/fighting a battle he has to deal with X number of assassination plots, and other schemes to topple his regime. Also DE don't seem to be that interested in actual wars, they are just a mean to get slaves (and riches), get rid of enemies (and allies) + their everyday kicks

>> No.21669068

>>21668950
"My penis has increased 4 inches for "bullying" a fictional faction and the players who play with this faction minis and while defending my fictional faction that is better because the writers say so."

>> No.21669182

>>21668938
>>conquer worlds one by one
>He established at empire of 500+, five times the time of the Tau Empire in just 200 years

Yeah no.

You're downplaying the Stormlord's victories on purpose. What do you have against the Sautekh? Why won't you accept what's written plainly for all to see?

>> No.21669208

>>21669182
>implying the 'crons aren't Alpha Legionnaires in disguise

>> No.21669226

>ctrl + f
>no CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

This board has changed for the worse.

>> No.21669234

>>21669068
>because the writers say so
at least writers are on OUR side. While i can see why you chose tau - self-loathing, abusive childhood - you should just deal with the fact that they'd be dead if authors actually cared about something happening in their tiny fuckoff galaxy.

>> No.21669254

>>21669226
Creed lost to Abaddon during the Eye of Terror Campaign. Abaddon actually got his hand on Cadia.

Consider Creed's tactical genius status officially revoked.

>> No.21669276

>>21669234
You are adorable.

>> No.21669277

>>21669254
He hadn't had any coffee that morning, and someone in the Logistics Department had lost his shipment of cigars. How can you expect him to be the Tactical Genius we all know and love when he's still cranky and sleepy because he's not had his coffee, and can't alleviate his frustration with a nice puff of smoke from his cigar?

>> No.21669335

>>21669276
you're not as smart as you think you are.

>> No.21669550

>>21668271
>Tau : Not a single one of their commanders is accomplished enough to be regarded as a ''Great General''.

Shadowsun led a fight against a tyranid splinter fleet without losing a single vessel.

Let me repeat that. Not. A. Single. Vessel. Splinter fleets, smaller though they are, still scare the goddamn Imperium shitless, and Shadowsun hit and runs it to death without suffering a single loss.

>> No.21669587

>>21669550
See >>21668798

>> No.21669621

>>21669234
You mean, "what's happening in their tiny fuckoff part of our galaxy".
So far, no race has managed (except the 'nids, and maybe Old Ones) to travel between the galaxies.
The entire WH40k game is set in the Milky Way and parts of the Warp.

>> No.21669627

>>21668506
>this
I feel like OP is a troll

>> No.21669641

>>21669587
The fluff says its a splinter fleet

Do you have any information that says it was a small weak convey or whatever?

>> No.21669690

>>21668577
It explicitly mentions that Horus was the best tactician.

But, after him, id say the lion... because hes still alive... and Sanguinus had other talents....

>> No.21669705

>>21669690
But what about Alpharius Omegon? His strategy and tactics have helped the Alpha Legion survive in hostile territory for ten thousand years and counting.

>> No.21669713

>>21669705
He lost to the Ultramoroons Primatch and then his Legion fractured.

>> No.21669739

>>21669713
They defeated the smurfs and scattered to go into hiding. And again, they've survived longer than any other traitor legion in the Imperium. All thanks to the tactics and strategies of their Primarch(s(?)).

>> No.21669748

>>21668271
>> Orks : They are brutes who are incapable of sound strategy and tactics, No Ork character is worthy of being called a General.
"Do not confuse simplicity for stupidity." -Gabriel Angilos, Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens.

That said, I question why Inquisitors Coteaz isn't on the list. The man manages the Intel network for an entire sector and stomps out all chaos forces before they become a bigger threat.

>> No.21669850

>>21669713
Assuming it was Alpharius that Guilliman killed. Isn't there a rumour that it was just a regular Alpha Legion marine, and one the Smurfs don't like to talk about?

>>21668718
Where?

>> No.21669861

>>21669277

Actually, those cigars were a gift to the Blood Ravens.

>> No.21669880

>>21668897
And yet he never used that awesome power to destroy the traitors fleets attacking earth..

>> No.21669881

>>21669850
Alpharius is alive

>> No.21669882 [DELETED] 

Asdrubael Vect, any Temple Vanus Lord Assasin.

>> No.21669886

>>21669881
And there's like a thousand of him.

>> No.21669888

>>21669850
>Where?

His fluff entry in the Codex.

>> No.21669890

Asdrubael Vect or any Temple Vanus Assassin Lord.

That is all.

>> No.21669903

>>21669880
In his defense, the Chaos gods were directly involved in the conflict.

>> No.21669907

>>21669881
and has a hardon for pariah women

>> No.21669913

>>21669907
Wat?

>> No.21669922

>>21669913
The Sisters of Silence.

>> No.21669924

>>21668271
Space Marines: Dante, not only is he the oldest space marine alive, but a complete bad ass with tactics.
>if your going to give tyranids the swarmlord, why not take the time to give orks or tau anything

>> No.21669930

>>21669913
Alpharius was briefly in Dan Abnett's Pariah book, hinted that he's legit because an Emperor's Children saw him and said "what the fuck h4x you're supposed to be dead."
He seems to have taken a liking to Bequin.

>> No.21669942

>>21669930
Couldn't that have been Omegon?

>> No.21669952

>>21669942
Maybe, but I don't think Omegon would have said "I am Alpharius."

Or would he?

>> No.21669958

>>21669924
The Tau have Shadowsun and Farsight.

The orks have Ghazzy, the Beast, Arch Arsonist, and the Overfiend.

What more do you want?

>> No.21669961

>>21669952
I wouldn't put it past him to do it just to fuck with people.

>> No.21669965

The Bad Moon Warlord Nazdreg Ug Urdgrub, former ally of Ghazghkull, is renowned for his sneaky plans (which in the 3rd edition codex was represented by allowing a an Elites or Troops choice to infiltrate or deep strike). He also had the marksmanship of a Space Marine, and rewards slaves for good work. The Mighty Mangler of Bork Warlord Klawjaw too was noted as an ingenious commander who also happened to be completely insane, driven by a desire to heddbutt his homeworld's moon to deff.

>> No.21669998

>mfw when people still won't acknowledge the superiority of Imotekh

>> No.21670003

> ctrl+f logan grimnar
> no results

So leading the first war of Armageddon and being the supreme commander of the imperial forces during the last Black Crusade means nothing?

>> No.21670019

Funfax about Imotekh and Abaddon:

>Imotekh attacks forge world Hypnoth, but Imperial reinforcements manage to tie down his legions for several months. Eventually Orikan the Diviner looks at the stars and deduces that Imotekh should attack Hypnoth's two supply worlds Praedis-Zeta and Nyx. The Stormlord does so, but a Tyranid infestation makes itself known on Nyx. Imotekh manipulates the Tyranids into attacking the Imperials, then retreats. A year later he returns to Hypnoth and his Crypteks disable the planet's defences with a technovirus.

>Abaddon decides to bring down the Imperial Navy dockyard Cancephalus. However, he chooses to attack its supply world Antecanis instead of facing the Naval fortress's formidable defences. His fleet, consisting of both Black Legion ships and those of his allied warbands, breaks through Antecanis's orbital defences after a week. The Daemon Prince Dhar'leth leads the vanguard of the assault on the capital Monarchive, slaughtering his way through the lower levels for sixteen days and sending columns of slaves hundreds of kilometres long back to the Black Legion's landers. Receiving word of incoming Imperial armies, and his fleet already harried by attacks from the Silver Skulls, Abaddon leads the final assault on Monarchive himself, capturing the hive in just two days. Millions of slaves are taken, and Abaddon and his Black Legion depart Antecanis as soon as the first Imperial Guard transports break from the Warp, smashing through the Silver Skulls cordon. Their allies are given no warning, left behind to delay the Imperials. Within a year, Cancephalus is unable to refit even the smallest warships, and Abaddon is free to ravage the sector at will. Antecanis itself is plunged into a seven-year war from which it will never recover.

>> No.21670022

>>21670003
Yes.

>> No.21670034

>>21670003
Did he outflank Eldar and personally slay an Avatar of War?

No? Then the warp with him!

>> No.21670047

>>21670019
>seven-year war
Er, make that seventeen years. Those abandoned Chaos mreens put up quite a fight.

>> No.21670059

>>21670003
Yes

>> No.21670105

>>21670019
Let me devalue and debunk everything you just said by posting The Derpadon!

>> No.21670123

>>21668982
Xanatos vs Tzeentch in a game of wits.
no magic powers/robots to destroy each other.
who wins?

>> No.21670128

>>21670105
That's not Abaddon, merely a cheap imitation. Topknot isn't nearly big enough.

>> No.21670145

>>21670123
The God of Elemental ''Just as Planned''

>> No.21670149

>>21670145
so Xanatos?

>> No.21670157

A reminder.

>985.M41 Conqueror’s Fall
>The Stormlord’s Tomb Ship Inevitable Conqueror comes under attack by a Black Templars fleet whilst en route to the Sautekh coreworld of Davatas. The architect of the assault is none other than Marshal Helbrecht, come searching for a long anticipated revenge upon the warlord who humbled him on Schrödinger VII. A broadside from the battle barge Sigismund strips away the Conqueror’s shields an instant before the Black Templars’ boarding torpedoes strike home and, within moments, the decks of the Inevitable Conqueror are swarming with vengeful Space Marines. Pride compels Imotekh to stand and fight, but his forces are in disarray and so logic wins out, dictating withdrawal. The Stormlord therefore teleports to an escort vessel and makes his escape. Helbrecht is incandescent with fury at this foe’s retreat, but consoles himself by personally setting Imotekh’s beloved flagship on a collision course with a nearby star, and blasting to smithereens those other Necron craft too slow to flee.

>> No.21670213

Why were tons of anons implying that leader = tactician in the first part of this thread?

>> No.21670216

>>21670149
Neither.

They both go out to have a beer.

>> No.21670217

>>21670157
Pointless gesture.

This won't return back his pride nor his arm.

>> No.21670232

>>21670216
what if xanatos is the avatar of tzeench in the gargoyles universe?

>> No.21670252

>>21668982
>If so, Tzeentch wins this silly contest.

lolno.

>> No.21670258

>>21670217

Tit for tat. Beloved ancient flagship for pride and arm. Good trade to a space marine. Plus points for making the Stormlord retreat.

>> No.21670262

>>21670217
Might be true, but killing a tombship is a mighty blow to the Necrons.

>> No.21670272

How to make a successful thread on /tg/

>your favorite warhammer 40K faction can't _____

>> No.21670283

>>21670272
Must suck being an craftworld eldar fan man
everyone's better then you

>> No.21670295

The Silent King.
>Unifies the Necrontyr
>Defeats Old Ones
>Defeats C'tan

He has slain races of Gods, he just feels too much.

>> No.21670300

>>21670283
It does hurt quite a bit. It's hard to fanon when the fluff just keeps reminding you that the Eldar are not Ultramarines.

>> No.21670301

>>21670262
How?

>> No.21670303

>>21670217
He still had his flagship hijacked by primitives. And Trazyn has apparently infiltrated to the very highest levels of the Sautekh Dynasty, despite being banned from Mandragora under pain of death. Not looking very good.

>> No.21670307

>>21670123
>Tzeentch
>No Magic
You may aswell recruit some regular Jackoff then, because Tzeentch was born of Magic, Discovery and Change and therefore IS Magic Incarnate

>> No.21670310

>>21670252
Oh, yeah, the Deceiver. He's a great manipulator and all that. Just not the personification of manipulation and deceit.
Also, if he has a thinking mind and is brewing something up, Tzeentch already knows it, knows how it will end and all in between.
So, Tzeentch > Deceiver.

>> No.21670312

>>21670303
>And Trazyn has apparently infiltrated to the very highest levels of the Sautekh Dynasty, despite being banned from Mandragora under pain of death.

That makes Trazyn a good thief, or Imotekh's security incompetent.

>> No.21670319

>Imperium : Ursarkar E. Creed, Leader of the Imperial forces in Cadia.
>Not Lord Commander Solar Macharius

>> No.21670320

>>21670295
He is no Stormlord.

Only Imotekh is worthy of ruling the new Necron Empire.

>>21670262
This is assuming the ship didn't Phase Out back to its Tomb World.

>> No.21670341

>>21670310
>Also, if he has a thinking mind and is brewing something up, Tzeentch already knows it, knows how it will end and all in between.

According to the FFG Tome of Fate.

Tzeentch can't divine the fate or foresee the actions of soulless beings. The C'tan have no souls, so Tzeentch can not do anything but guess the Deceivers next move.

>> No.21670344

>>21670301
If the victory conditions from BFG are any indication, loosing that meant the marine player had to be tabled to loose.

>> No.21670351

>>21670320
The Slient king would totally Bitchslap Imotekh
>>21670319
>Goes on a Giant Crusade and claims thousands of worlds
>Forgets to garrison troops on said worlds
>Shit hits the fan when he dies, and all his conquered worlds fall to Heresy and Rebellion

>> No.21670366

>>21670341
To be fair, Tzeentch is probably pretty good at guessing.

>> No.21670408

>>21670351
>The Slient king would totally Bitchslap Imotekh

One dude is a weakhearted wandering Nomad. Other one is the Ruthless King of the most powerful Necron Dynasty.

Who's gonna bitch slap who, again? Vote Imotekh 42K!

>> No.21670422

>>21670366
Not good enough.

That's why he needs the Fatweaver.

>> No.21670452

>>21670341
No, but he can calculate the outcome of almost every action, which makes him able to predict the future with almost perfect accuracy.
And that he can think of all the possible scenarios something could happen. And that he has backup plans for his backup plans when something goes to shit.
That's not taking into account the fact that the guy is omniscient, at least concerning the present.
He could easily manipulate and win the WH40k, but he just doesn't give a fuck. As long as shit keeps happening, he is winning.
If he did, everybody would be screwed.

>> No.21670580

>>21668271

I threw this together as my answer. fuck you and your pussy list.

>> No.21670696

>>21670452

But he can't. His very nature is that his grand plan isn't a plan, it's pushing a rock down a hill to see how big the avalanche becomes. Saying 'Tzeentch would win easily if he wanted to' is the same as saying 'This knife would easily beat any longsword in a fight if it was actually the Golden Gun'.

>> No.21670755

>Creed
>One unit can have scout

>Grey Knight Grandmaster
>D3 units can have scout

Creed it out.

>> No.21670812

>>21670755

Or a squadron of units. Say hello to three Leman Russ Demolishers popping out of nowhere to blast your shit.
Or a BEHNBLEDE. Or a Titan.

>> No.21670816

>>21670452
Tzeentch can't predict the future. He had the chance to, but got scared and gave it to a lieutenant.

>> No.21670829

>>21670696
Tzeentch isn't playing to win, he's playing just to play as long as he possibly can. The other gods are playing the Great Game, but Tzeentch isn't. He's playing a game of his own, and he's playing it against himself. He's movement, and because of his nature he can never allow himself to reach the end. Winning by beating everyone else would be a loss for him, but winning by making sure the game goes on forever is a win as far as he's concerned.

Tzeentch is the only one playing any game, because any thought or any action that strives to move forward is an extension of him. Everything that happens only does so by his design, including and especially the stuff that works against itself. His plans interfere with each other Inception-style, with any successful plan triggering new plans that will either further or counteract whatever was accomplished in the first place. He stirs the pot without ever deciding that it's finished.

Tzeentch can't win by beating the competition because he is the competition, and we are all part of his game plan with only the hope that whatever fate he decides to bestow upon us being one we can enjoy.

>> No.21670840

>>21670812
Grey Dude could do all that up to x3.

>> No.21670848

>>21670816
More like he kept throwing them into the well until one came out.

>> No.21670866

>>21670816
But he decides what happens in the present. He decides what the future holds, but he can't discern it with certainty, because that would mean he could make order out of the Chaos that is Tzeentch. Being able to see the future means he can predict what he's going to do, but he doesn't need to know just to scheme.

>> No.21670884

>>21670866
>>21670829
You guys seem to be forgetting the Scribes mission.

The Staff Quest.

>> No.21670909

>>21670884
You mean the Blue Scribes?

>> No.21670923

>>21670909
Yes.

If they collect and reforge the Staff, Tzeentch will once more rule supreme over all.

>> No.21670956

Vect > Imotekh.

His Master Tactician lets him seize the initiative on a 4+ against everyone, Imotekh's Hyperlogical Strategy is the same, but doesn't work on Orks.

>> No.21671061

>>21670829
Right...errr son, I'll need to get you debriefed in the Commissar's office

>> No.21671091

>>21670258
Also pride for pride. Logic dictated he withdrew, but Imotekh's pride would have been dealt a major blow at the retreat.

>>21670320
The entry says nothing about it phasing out. If it did, it being in the necron codex would have mentioned the ship phasing out.

>> No.21671143

>>21670923
And in what way does that invalidate the previous posts?

>> No.21671179

These two deserve a mention.

>> No.21671181

>>21668653
Is that like Wayne's World?

>> No.21671193

>>21671061
Damn it Petrikovicus, we defected from the Imperium over ten thousand years ago, remember? "No Commissars around and that's the way we like it," we said? Snap out of it and help me set up this sound system. FOR SLAANESH!!!

>> No.21671246

>>21671143
>And in what way does that invalidate the previous posts?
Not only the posts, but n entity that actively works to contradict itself.

>> No.21671269

>>21668378
Didnt dante stalemate him?

>> No.21671289

>>21671269
The Silent King =/= The Stormlord

>> No.21671307

I always thought Kryptman was a pretty good strategist.

>> No.21671312

>>21668718
Didnt dante stalemate this guy?

>> No.21671331

>>21671307
He just gave the Nids a huge Ork buffet.

>> No.21671367

>>21671312
He stalemated the Silent King and later joined forces with him.

Dante did not meet Imotekh yet.

>> No.21671416

The fuck d'you mean the Tau aren't "Great Generals?" Tau probably plan the most. They either completely annihilate their enemies, or they pull back in an organized manner.
Sure, they're blue space cow communist weaboos who run away the second anything goes wrong, but they're pretty good at planning.

>> No.21671419

>>21671143
>Posts Tzeentch : doesn't want to win
>Fluff : Tzeentch is actively seeking his IWin Button

>> No.21671506

>>21669226

I think you mean for the better.

How about you join them and leave as well, you meme spamming sack of shit.

>> No.21671571

>>21671416
Put their art of war aside and you will see that their Commanders haven't done anything impressive.

>> No.21672040

>>21670580
Are you the same person from "Nice no trophies" image?

>> No.21672086

>>21671571

Ain'Shi: Led the defense of Fio'Vash, and held his ground against a seemingly endless tide of orks. In melee. With orks.

Shadowsun: Destroyed a tyranid splinter fleet without a single casualty.

R'myr: Successfully defended Taros from an Imperial invasion. Also was the first commander to field the AX-01 Tiger shark, which proceeded to rape a Warhound Titan on it's first flight, scaring the other three Titans shitless and causing their retreat.

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