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20567189 No.20567189 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

I think we need a chaos discussion ITT

Keep your mary sue, special snowflake hyper plot armour at home and lets get to work.

The forces of chaos are primal, unimaginably powerful, and older than human minds can understand.

They create entire dimensions to suit their whims. They turn men into monsters and monsters into demi gods. They corrupt every thing and intend to tear reality to shreds.

They are powered by those that would destroy them, they feed on their enemies before, during and after battle. They have endless daemonic followers created from their will alone, they have legions of superhuman killing machines augmented by their power, they have untold numbers of cultists for which the only remedy is exterminatus...

So when you devalue this great enemy, you really devalue your heros. As a victory against such an all consuming enemy should be hard fought, it should be a triumph over heinous odds. It should allways come at great cost.

When a space marine simply tears down a daemon prince or a host of cultists w/o a scratch what is really being said is that the greatest of enemies is an armless retard baby, and we can't beat them because though we have arms our aspergers is strong.

>> No.20567228

Something tells me you're thinking of Kaldor "daemons are my bitches" Draigo. And you're right, all that does is cheapen Caos and by extension humanity.
Everyone rants about how Ward made Draigo overpowered, but it's more the other way around. He made Chaos underpowered. When one Grey Knight assrapes a daemon army, the concern should not be that Grey Knights are too powerful, but that daemons aren't powerful enough.

>> No.20567234
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20567234

Dear Khorne,

You suck. You are the worst of the Chaos Gods. You are a warp entity, but you shun magic. How does that even make sense? You are clearly a retard? And then when you lose, you just get a temper tantrum.

And Hellblades aren't even good anymore. In fact, why do you even let your Bloodletters USE Hellblades? You said you like axes. I bet you're just a closet homo admirer of Slaanesh, and so you want your ordinary troops to carry elegant, pretty-boy weapons? Yup, that's it. I think you've been a pretty boy all along, Khorne.

Signed, Nurgle and Slaanesh

>> No.20567236

Cultists die in droves to everything, even IG and Eldar.

Deamon Princes, on the other hand, take a bit more than 1 marine to kill(Angorn took most of a brotherhood of Grey Knights to bring down, and he killed most of them in the process) and are backed up by a limitless supply of deamonic reinforcements.

>> No.20567250
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20567250

>>20567234

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY, WEAKLINGS???

DID YOU JUST SAY

YOU WANT YOU SKULLS CAVED IN??!!!!!

>> No.20567263

>>20567250

Now, now, feeling angry today, are we?

>> No.20567267
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20567267

>>20567250
LET ME KILL THEM!

>> No.20567273
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20567273

>>20567263

SLAAAANESH

I WILL DESTROY YOU

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>> No.20567278

>>20567273

Oh yes, big boy. "Destroy me"

>> No.20567287

He bugs me, mostly because of what you said. Not that he is awesome, but that daemons are made weak and so the whole plot falls apart.

I like how it was explained when chaos would take whole worlds and space marines had to die to bring them back under control, or nuke them from orbit to contain the threat.

I want CSM and SM to be dark reflections of each other. A war that isn't unwinable because both sides are morons, but because they are so evenly matched that every act of slaughter is countered with another act of slaughter.

Where legions and chapters die off and the plot moves forward but not in a "all of your base are belong to us" sort of way.

Chaos takes sector 3, space marines attack the last sector they took over seeing the main threat has vanished. Sector 2 is purified and rebuilding beings. Chaos stalemates in sector 4 against heavy opposition. worlds are consumed. Chaos breaks and begins assault on sector 5, space, marines begin reclaiming sector 3.

A game of deadly deadly cat and mouse mixed with omfg clean up that never seems to end. With out either side really winning.

I'm sure i explained it as a tard. But I hope my meaning isn't lost.

>> No.20567292

>>20567267

YES

I CHOOSE YOU AS MY CHAMPION
MIGHTY KHARN

>> No.20567377

>>20567287
So you want Chaos to be a legitimate threat instead of an annoyance either trapped in the Eye of Terror or wondering in small warbands?

Not too much to ask for, of course, even if they are just the decimated remains of their old legions, but I always thought that one of their themes was that they were just one of numerous threats to the Imperium, though admittedly one of the few that can give the loyalists a run for their money.

>> No.20567390
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20567390

>>20567267
>>20567292
I'm not gonna fight you, I'm gonna kick your ass.

>> No.20567399

>>20567278
Oh boy do I have a gift for you two.

>> No.20567439

>>20567377

That allways got to me just a little. The imperium has set numbers of allowed space marines. But chaos takes slaves, depopulates planets and still have geneseed tech... why should they be the "shattered remains"? If i was in their situation.. i'd produce endless supplies of space marines. Aided by warp based crazy I could have a full legion to march on a world before the imperium even knew what happened.

>> No.20567453

>>20567390
Duke Nukem: Daemon prince of both Slaanesh AND Khorne at the same time.

Yes, it IS possible, because he's Duke Nukem.

>> No.20567461

>>20567399

NURGLE

WHY DID YOU SIGN SLAANESH'S LETTER?
AND
INSULT
ME

I WILL CLEAVE OFF YOUR HEAD WITH THAT LETTER
AND BATHE IN YOUR PUS-BLOOD
FOR A YEAR AND A DAY
AND DEVOUR YOUR FLEA RIDDEN FLESH
YOU WILL DIE

>> No.20567474

>>20567399
>>20567461

Sounds hot... you guys should come over to my place ;D

>> No.20567499

>>20567461

Wait... what letter? I've always been the honest one of us four, and I don't recall signing anything.

Oh well. I guess everyone turns against me in the end. Such is existence. I guess I'm glad to be more miserable today than yesterday. I'll keep my followers happy with the same.

>> No.20567511
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20567511

Haters gonna hate. Heroes will always triumph.

>> No.20567515
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20567515

I don't like the number of Chaos Gods in this thread......

>> No.20567519

>>20567499

WHAT LETTER

>>20567234
>>20567234
>>20567234
>>20567234
>>20567234
>>20567234
>>20567234

THIIIIIS OOOOOOOOOOONE

NOW FIGHT ME IF YOUR BALLS ARE STILL ATTACHED TO YOUR ROTTING BODY

AND I WILL CUT THEM OFF AND FEED THEM TO MY HOUNDS

AND TAKE YOUR CANCEROUS SKULL AS A TROPHY OF MY PROWESS!

>> No.20567535
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20567535

Why is there only worship of a single god or Chaos undivided? Isn't it possible to worship two gods and ignore the other two?

>> No.20567547

>>20567511

Draigo? What are you doing in this part of the warp? Nice scar you gave my chosen Primarch. But you're sad here, aren't you? Away from home in the materium? Why not accept your fate, and join me? I can offer you immortality and contentment. I can cure your addiction to Warp Dust. I can even make you a god, like I did for Mortarion.

>> No.20567548

>>20567439
Well...as far as I can tell, it's not from a lack of trying(12 failed black crusades can attest to that) but at the same time, Chaos is far from united. They seem to fight one another more than they do the Imperium, both in the Eye and whenever they have incursions deeper in Imperial space.

In addition, they seem to have trouble replenishing their numbers because while they can screw around with geneseed a bit, there are limits to what they can do before it becomes unusable, and Fabius Bile seems to be the only one outside of the Iron Warriors who knows what he's doing. Most of the rest either can't expand their forces(Thousand Sons) or are too busy fighting to bother(World Eaters).

Chaos does seem to have a bad case of Malal kicking them in the balls, all told.

>> No.20567571

>>20567519

I swear I didn't write that.

>> No.20567590

>>20567515

EMPEROR OF MORTALKIND

SEND FORTH YOUR CHAMPION

LET US DO GLORIOUS BATTLE TODAY UPON THE FIELD OF BLOOD

>> No.20567595

>>20567439
Lack of sufficient geneseed, extreme susceptibility to mutation, and heavy factionalization.

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>>20567571

EVEN IF YOU DIDNT, IM ALREADY AAANGRY

AND SO I WILL KICK YOUR BOIL-COVERED ASS JUST THE SAME

AND THEN I WILL MAKE SLAANESH NEVER WANT TO FEEL PLEASURE AGAIN

>> No.20567627

>>20567617

Oh, this is some fun foreplay, isn't it.

>> No.20567640
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20567640

>>20567547
Mortarion was humbled before the strength of the Imperium of Man. I am not sad, I can feel no sorrow, not while I walk with my Brothers, bound by righteous cause and blood, fury and the Emperor's light.

>> No.20567645

>>20567627

FOREPLAY?

I WILL "PLAY" WITH YOUR SKULL
AFTER CAVING IN YOUR "FORE"HEAD

>> No.20567681

>>20567535
Generally speaking, the Dark Gods get pissed off if you try to worship two of them at once. One of the two will get jealous of the other one and send daemons to fuck you up.

However, if you worship no particular god and just serve Chaos in general, they don't really care about you one way or another.

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20567682

>>20567590
TO BATTLE!

>> No.20567688
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20567688

>>20567590
FUCK YOU KHORNE, MY GREY KNIGHTS WILL MAKE YOU MY CHAOS BITCH!

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>>20567640
Stay strong, Grandmaster, for we are even now working out how to free you from your curse, that you may lead our chapter into even greater levels of glory!

>> No.20567708

>>20567645

Why so angry all of a sudden, sexy? Do you really think I would team up with that gross boy Nurgle just to make you feel bad? Eeeew. I didn't write >>20567234. I've been in my pleasure palace all morning. And you're welcome to come by for some action if you want. I've got plenty of nubile Eldar whom I'm having some fun "punishing" for their galaxy breaking party.

>> No.20567715
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20567715

Just as planned...

>> No.20567735
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20567735

IF YOU DIDNT WRITE>>20567234
AND NOR DID NURGLE
THEN WHO DID????

WHO INSULTED MY WARRIOR PRIDE?

WHO ASKED ME TO SLAY THEM AND LAYWASTE TO ALL THEIR LANDS AND SERVANTS?

>> No.20567739
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20567739

Naive children, you dabble in subjects you small minds can barely comprehend!

>> No.20567748

>>20567681
Makes sense.

>> No.20567749

>>20567688
Sorry, pitiful human, but your weapons of magic are of no use against me. How dare you even suggest bringing such humans and their crutches against me!

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20567752

>>20567715

TZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENTCH

>> No.20567766

>>20567688

Yeah you'll hack and slash through their 2+ invuln while they use your force weapons as tooth picks to get what's left of your terminator armour out of their mouth.

>> No.20567768
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20567768

>>20567739
Fuck you Eldar!
You bitches act all superior, let's see you stop the hammer of the Imperium!

>> No.20567777

>>20567735
Are you sure it wans't the Big E?

>> No.20567782
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20567782

>>20567752
>>20567735
Muhahahahahaha.

>> No.20567787

>>20567708
Imposer!
Our glorious firewarriors killed Slaanesh!

>> No.20567796
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20567796

>>20567752

Delicious tears. Just as planned.

Final Score:
Tzeentch: 1
Slaanesh: 0
Nurgle: 0
Khorne: -999

>> No.20567801

>>20567768
The brute can speak?

>> No.20567802
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20567802

>>20567749
Then I will simply have to engage you within the warp.
To suggest you could possibly defeat me in a battle of wills is preposterous.

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20567803

>>20567749
They worked pretty well on your favored son Angorn, and his Bloodthirsters, and his Bloodcrushers, and his Bloodletters too.

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20567809

Just a quick question Khorne, why are you covered in Tomato Ketchup instead of blood?

>> No.20567813

>>20567796

-999 IS YOUR NUMBER

MAKE IT -888

I LIKE 8 BETTER

>> No.20567823

>>20567809

IM NOT COVERED IN...

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

DISGUSTING SLAANESHI TOMATO SLIME

CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

>> No.20567831

> start a thread about how important evil is to heros.
>proceed to find like minded people
>shit storm

And now I understand... all of us are retarded and that's why the nids will eventually win.

>> No.20567836
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>>20567801
Haha! Ironic words from a pitiful species who fucked their way to their own destruction.

Look at you now! So proud in the highest room of your crumbling tower!
Your time is over, Eldar scum, the age of man is now, and so it will be until the end of time!

>> No.20567845
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20567845

They say that their legions are without number, that their power is without limit.
I say let them come, we shall defeat them yet again.

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20567856

>>20567617

I just realised, without the 'tiny head, huge pauldrons' theme 40k has going, Khorne Berserkers are basically the Silencer with metal bunny ears.

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>>20567836
Its not humie time or eldar time, itz krumpin time ya git! It has always been krumpin time, fer now an fereva!

>> No.20567861
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20567861

>>20567836
At least we actually managed to create a god.

>> No.20567873

>>20567861
Humans made Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle. All more powerful than Slaanesh.

>> No.20567885

>>20567861
That's not really a point of pride when the god you created claims your souls and rapes you forever when you die.

>> No.20567887

>>20567861
Yea, and 5 ancient souls gave their lives to create a God like figure on our realm, without bringing chaos onto the material plane, oh and causing general stife and shit storms as well as completely obliterating our own home systems.

Sorry Eldar, no insult you can throw at us can ever make us feel bad because your people are pathetic as they are arrogant and ignorant.

>> No.20567892

>>20567861
Humanity is it's own god, you can remain as slaves to higher beings if you want, we, meanwhile, will defeat them.

>> No.20567895
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20567895

>>20567845
Praise the Emperor for his sacrifice,
as He endures, so shall we!
We who are Hunters of Deamons,
shall strive in His name eternally.

>> No.20567903

>>20567802

But the Emperor is a coward whose soul is canonically hiding from Chaos Gods.

He cannot even defeat a bunch of normal daemons, hell even a warboss is out of his league.

>> No.20567925

>>20567873

I think the eldar just woke up slaanesh.. who then procceded to devour their gods and most of their race... so delicious he still wants more.

And slaanesh is only weakest by virtue of active age. All the pride and lust in the 40k universe should fix that fast.

(Yes blood lust is the realm of slaanesh, mindless slaughter for it's own sake is khorne.)

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>>20567887
>rotting corpse on a chair
>a god

I can hardly insult something that isn't real.

>> No.20567971
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20567971

I think I speak for all of us when I say I understand,
Why you folks might hesistate to submit to our demands,
But here's an FYI,
You're all gonna die screaming

>> No.20567987
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20567987

>>20567971
>Can't even take a craftworld
>get your arses kicked by zombies and pirates

>> No.20568000
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20568000

>>20567971

Bringing that promise into reality is far beyond your power, aliens, thanks to us brave warriors of Nottingham.

>> No.20568003
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>>20567971
They're after the blood of our sisters! GET THEM!

>> No.20568006

>>20567936
And how hard was your War God Shattered? Last i heard you guys were barely able to summon him and he keeps getting his ass kicked everytime you summon him. Our "God" atleast is still useful, keeping our vessels going in the warp.
Oh, also, Do I need to mention your constant failure of your Farseers, how many Craftworlds have been destroyed in the past 500 years? You know if you lot actually tried listening or.. you know, ask for help? You might be doing a bit better.

>> No.20568021
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20568021

We are Chapter 666, the Knights of Titan and the bane of Daemon-kind.
We are the hammer, we are the right hand of the Emperor, the instrument of His will, the gauntlet about His fist, the tip of His spear, the edge of His sword, the last blade forged in defiance of fate.

>> No.20568024
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20568024

>>20568003
Those bastards! That sweet sweet Sister blood is OURS!

>> No.20568026
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20568026

>>20567987

But when the Imperium of Man invades, your seers will get their secrets extracted by the might of Adeptus Astartes Librarians, and your warriors reduced to begging for mercy.

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20568054

>>20568024
Take off that hat, brother. You look ridiculous.

>> No.20568072
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20568072

>>20568024

It's been in short supply lately for the dust of the battleground is ever hungry.

>> No.20568080

>>20568054
But it keeps me sanctified from nanomachines or something.
>>20568072
Well at least we know we can some at least once a month amirite.

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20568103

>>20568080
That was 3 missions ago, besides, it's starting to smell...

>> No.20568114

>>20567971
godfuckingdammit

fuck you, fuck that song, never gonna be able to listen to it without imagining tyranids again.

fuck.

>> No.20568130

>The forces of chaos are primal, unimaginably powerful, and older than human minds can understand.
No, they are evil gods that were created by humans and are routinely defeated by humans and their Emperor. Their wiles only appeal to those cowardly and weak of will.

>So when you devalue this great enemy, you really devalue your heros.
Decoded: chaos player mad that Imperium beats his spiky boys.

>> No.20568131

>>20568103
Thats just the smell of...the Emperor sanctifying my hat. Thats right, my rotting skullcap is a relic. Or something. Besides, you never know when we will need more Sister blood.

You're looking a little Warpy there, brother, maybe we should raid another convent just to be safe.

>> No.20568144
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20568144

>Loyalist Khorne berserkers.

>> No.20568154
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20568154

That is it!

All squads cut these fanatical and delusional Gue'la down!

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20568216

>>20568131
I think that's just rotting skullcap on your lens. You may want to get that cleaned off.

>> No.20568242

>frank discussion of how the ruinous powers keep getting depowered in fluff to make imperium and other "bad guy" factions to look cool

>devolves into mindless and shitty RPing

just like chaos in fluff, but more annoying

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20568278

>>20568114
I'm not a monster, Anon
Well technically I am
I guess I am

>> No.20568465

>>20568130

Fist off chaos has been around for a long time. Humans worshiped them and where raised into daemonhood a long time before man kind built a gun.

They have the weight of countless human souls backing them. From the very dawn of man kind... that's alot of freakin power.

Personally the fluff in 40k regarding the emperor, man kind and chaos (as well as pretty much everything) breaks down for me pretty quickly.

Regulalry beating back an enemy "at great cost" but with out either side showing the slightest alteration afterwards is cheap.

It devalues the space marines, it devalues chaos and the effects of that devalue everything. They are called the great enemy for a reason. Entire world die to prevent the spread of chaos. And that's just fine.

But there is the table top and the fluff and then their is the deep fluff.

On the table top every army is equal or takes turns steam rolling the game and that's fine. In standard fluff each faction paints them selves out as a bad ass, and that's fine too.

But the deep fluff, the stuff that is supposed to be universal breaks down fast. Each "hero" to come along is less and less meaningful. They no longer have tragic falls, they no longer die for their cause.

It makes the story less intresting.

>> No.20568481

>>20568242
This is what'll happen when we run out of bullets. We'll resort to shitty RPing and using dice.

>> No.20568576

It's not especially impressive that Draigo killed a Bloodthirster, because he had a nemesis force weapon (just because it was broken doesn't mean it's no longer daemonbane).

As for all the things Draigo supposedly did in the warp, I maintain that none of those things (except him reforging his sword) actually happened, because there were no witnesses and no feasible way Draigo could have told anyone about what happened to him in the warp (he only appears in the physical realm during the heat of a desperate battle, after all; not much time for chit chat).

>> No.20568588

>>20568576
He doesn't need to tell anyone, things can happen from a third person perspective.

>> No.20568644

This thread needs to be archived.

>> No.20568659

Yes, but in 40k, canon does not necessarily equal true. And in this case, it's far more believable to assume that the tales of Draigo in the warp are propaganda spread among the Grey Knight chapter to make them not feel bad about their Supreme Grand Master being stuck in the warp.

>> No.20568713

>>20568659
Grey Knights are not weak enough of will to need propaganda, not of that sort at least. If if it was proper propaganda they probably wouldn't throw in BUT HE FIGHTS IN VAIN AND IS ULTIMATELY POWERLESS thing.

>> No.20568738

>>20568659
This brings up a good point. How the fuck did people learn about Draigos misadventures anyhow? Does he just stay awhile and chat with them whenever he poofs onto the battlefield?
>>20568713
>Grey Knights are not weak enough of will to need propaganda
But they are weak willed enough to need to take a dip in SoB blood from time to time?

>> No.20568777

>>20568738
>This brings up a good point. How the fuck did people learn about Draigos misadventures anyhow?

Who says they do?
We know, through the narrator, they may just know that he's gone.

>But they are weak willed enough to need to take a dip in SoB blood from time to time?

They have the will to get the job done through distasteful means.

>> No.20568930

>>20568777

Maybe Draigo told his story to his Battle Brothers one of the times he re-emerged into the material realm?

>> No.20569042

>>20568930

When would he do that though?

He got lost in the Warp in 999.M41 and is lost in time, if he tells his story in 200.M40 he should be familiar with it as a young initiate. Would also mean Grey Knights believe in predestination, knowing that battle-bro Draigo's going to be the Supreme Grand Master and kick Mortarion's ass.

Geronitan would also know Mortarion kills him.

>> No.20569136

>>20569042

Maybe he re-emerges sometime around his exile into the Warp in 999.M41, so that he isn't able to forewarn anyone in time, but his story still gets recorded?

Or maybe his story is kinda like Lion'El Jonson still being alive: only he and the Emperor Himself know the whole thing.

>> No.20569159

He could tell them, through voice, vox or telepathy magic. Maybe they and other psykers have even had visions of him doing what he does. But maybe not, there's really nothing to indicate that they know, and they don't have to know for us to know.

>> No.20569182

>>20569136

Draigo appears in 933.M41 battle of Venta Secundus, it's not just 999.M41.

>> No.20569381
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Chaos: The Kid's TV Show

>> No.20569444

>>20568576

>killing a Bloodthirster
>not especially impressive
>killing a BLOODTHIRSTER

SANGUINIUS had trouble killing a Bloodthirster. Do you have any idea what fighting a Bloodthirster is like? Bloodthirsters are supposed to be pretty much the ultimate killing machines. Leaping up from the ground at an unfathomable speed, soaring through the skies, descending, and in the blink of an eye chopping a squad of Space Marines into mince meat.

>> No.20569587

>>20569444
Sanguinius fought the most bad ass Bloodthirster of all though. Draigo beat some guy.

>> No.20569591

All the stuff that has been mixed in aside..

Either chaos is stronger than the imperium and space marines are heroic, their genocides and team killing is warranted to prevent the pread of this horrible foe.

Or chaos is equal to the imperium and the above is also true in light of the multi front war they are facing.

Or chaos is weaker than the imperium and thus the imperium is the true evil, wiping out whole worlds, killing thousands of psykers a day and team killing potential chaos converts to stop an enemy that is a joke and in no meaningul way threatens them.

Also in construct three, the holy terra was ass raped and the emperor was tossed into a permacoma by an army that was weaker than them, making horus a military genius and the continuation of chaos a slap to the face for the imperium who would in this situation be made of entirely retarded superhumans who don't think so good.

"We can crush chaos often and easily, but we don't because we're too busy destroying our population to prevent the spread of an enemy we can easily destroy."

The super marines make zero sense. To embrace the absolute victory of the imperium at all times vs chaos is like a 5 year olds version of a war story. It lacks depth and relegates all of the imperium into complete morons.

I don't want to fight agains t a weaker or a stronger enemy (stronger is prefered) I want to combat equals. That is where good stories are made, where real drama unfolds and how heroes are forged... be they heroes of man or champions of chaos.

>> No.20569624

The best part of Chaos isn't the Daemon Princes or Traitor Astartes, it's the angry manufactorum worker, dressed in street clothes and armed with a stolen autogun. He sees a brutal system and believes that the freedom that anarchy brings is better than the status quo. Though he will not succeed, he decides to make a stand with his death. Perhaps one of the Arbites that guns him down in the street is struck by his sacrifice and finds himself doubting what he stands for, or maybe the heretic's death is meaningless like so many others' in this dark millenium.

Destroy false icons.

>> No.20569639

>>20569587
That's a common misconception. Although Sanguinius fought a bloodthirster important enough to have a name, Khorne's chosen Bloodthirster is An'ggrath the Unbound. And before him, it was Skarbrand.

>> No.20569673

>>20569639
Ka'Banha is greater than both, he was before there before Skarbrand and An'ggrath showed up, and he's referred to as such in the Grey Knight codex.

>> No.20569705

>>20569591
To be honest, I'd like chaos to be more... chaotic.

Yes, there should be a large portion of them that want nothing more than to see the Imperium fall but there should also be those that don't give a fuck; those that don't really know too much about galactic matters on a whole; and even those that actually enjoy all the hope and despair, all the glory and failure, all the emotion associated with the eternal war and will fuck anyone up who tries to upset the balance too much in hopes of ending it.

>> No.20569712

>>20569673

An'ggrath's entry also says he's the strongestest ever.

Ka'Bandha did not get beaten by just Sanguinius, but the Sanguinor and Grey Knights, multiple times in fact and the last defeat was when a Grey Knight stabbed him with a bone of the first Grey Knight to kill him.

He isn't very impressive.

>> No.20569740

>>20569712
An'ggrath got beaten by Lorgar, pussiest of all Primarchs, and Hector Rex, an Inquisitor. He himself is hardly impressive.

Ka'Bandha at least beat Sanguinius once.

>> No.20569748

>The forces of chaos are primal, unimaginably powerful, and older than human minds can understand.
No, they're actually 60 000 years old at most. More likely 45 000 years old. in the 41st millenium, of course. right now in 2012, they're still a very recent thing.

Khorne was born somewhere between the dawn of human civilization and the early middle ages.
Nurgle was born during the Black Plague epidemy
and Tzeentch was born during the Renaissance.

So, they're very understandably old. No problem with that.

And they don't create entire dimensions. They create realms within their home dimension that is the Warp.

>> No.20569750

>>20569712
Well, to be fair, even although I've never heard of
Ka'Bandha being the greatest of them all, An'ggrath also has a couple of defeats to his name.

>> No.20569766

>>20567782
oh you

>> No.20569779

>>20569705

I agree to a large extent. When I first starting playing wh40k i fell in love with the emperor's children. Because for them it wasn't about the victory, it was about the war.

They wanted sensations only battle can create, so it made sense to have a bad guy that wanted to fight win or loose. Esp in a game with a plot line that doesn't really evolve.

Being locked in an eternal war against a powerful enemy who just wants to be locked in an eternal war is fucking epic.

I also liked the ideas present that chaos is what controls chaos. Being split 6 ways (4 major gods, undivided and maalal) it was stronger as a group then any other faction but went to war against it's self eternally. And for every band of noise marines grabbing slaves thier are cabals who just want to learn more about sorcery.

Fuck the final goal, i like the long war.

>> No.20569787

>>20569705
according to most recent fluff, most CSM are like this. The Emperor's Children, especially. The Black Legion is pretty much the only big Chaos faction that's actually focused on bringing down the Imperium.

>> No.20569807

>>20569779
>malal

Why do people bring this fucker up? He was never relevant to 40k and barely relevant over a short time in Fantasy.

>> No.20569847

>>20569807
Solely because he's obscure.

It's sad, really, because he probably has potential, but as he is right now, he's redundant at best. I mean, fighting chaos through chaos can (and is) often be achieved without Malal's influence.


So, yeah, it's just because he's obscure.
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>> No.20569850

>>20569748

Fair enough, it's one thing to say a number... but can you imagine what 45,000 years of tactical expertise would be like? No because it is more exp then we are built to understand. It is literally unimaginable to us.

We can say things like earth is 6 billion years old... but we can't understand that as anything more than a codified age grouping. Hell I don't know what 50 years feels like yet.

So take your estimates. 45,000 years of god ness. Add to that 45,000 years of souls. We could make up a number but we wouldn't really understand the implications.

Realms... yeah that's a better word. But they do dictate what goes down in those realms. If you haven't looked into things like the palace of slaanesh i highly suggest it.

They are places of pure crazy, who knows how big they actually are, and while it's all in the warp I doubt you can just fly on by the palace of slaanesh or khornes throne of skulls.

>> No.20569909

>>20569807

Read the context "when I was introduced to chaos"

I brought him up because he was part of my introduction to chaos. If having him introduced to me over a decade ago with the rest of the chaos concept makes me a hippster then I guess i'm a hippster.

I don't find him appealing, or useful, but i was recounting my introduction not expressing my feelings.

>> No.20569966

>>20569909
Malal never appeared in 40k. And he's been gone from any GW publication for way more than 10 years. You've gotta dig to find Malal.

>> No.20570034

>>20569966

I didn't have to dig. It's how the factions where presented to me when I inquired about the game. Not saying it was accurate just that it's how it was presented to me. I don't understand why it's such a big deal that someone felt the need to include it when explaining chaos to me.

It's a blip on the radar, i'm not worried about it persoanlly and it doesn't appear in anything close to current. If it serves a purpose other then the date how long i've been in game it would only be to accurately depict how chaos was presented to me.

>> No.20570596
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>>20569847
Relevant

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