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[ERROR] No.19642496 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Does Chaos Undivided have a specific number? I always thought it was eight, but I found out that's Khorne's number.

I know it's a dumb question, but it's been nagging at me. It doesn't seem that Undivided has a specific number, but that may be just my terrible Google-fu.

>> No.19642531

No number for Chaos Undecided. You want a number? Pick a god, faggot. Or end up like pic related.

>> No.19642669

6+7+8+9=30=Chaos Undivided

>> No.19642694

I like to think of it as 10, simply by being next in the sequence. >>19642669's suggestion works too.

>> No.19642760

Just what is the significance of the each chaos gods' specific number? I've never understood that

>> No.19642804

>>19642760
It's occult numerology/symbology, I'm really not sure of anything beyond that. I would think that Slaanesh having the lowest number refers to his being the youngest god, but I really don't know for sure.

>> No.19642827

Say, what was the Xth Legion? Did they turn traitor during the Heresy?

>> No.19642870

>>19642496
Eight is at once Khorne's specific number AND the number of Chaos Undivided, I believe. I've gotten the vibe from Chaos fluff throughout the years that Khorne is probably the oldest god and that his portfolio (anger, war, bloodshed, etc.) is the most dominant influence most of the time in the Materium. As such, he would be most closely tied to the essence of pure, unaligned Chaos.

>> No.19643181

>>19642870
That's interesting- any specific fluff? I imagine stuff like that would stick in Tzeentch's craw.

>> No.19643211

>>19642827
Tenth legion: Iron Hands, loyalists.

>> No.19643220

>>19642694
OP here, I think I'll stick with 10. I'm making a Chaos army, and I'm thinking of trying to stick with certain number combos (Daemonettes in packs of six etc.) to be fluffy.

>> No.19643223

>>19642827
The Iron Hands never turned traitor.

Herp Derp you mean the two "missing" Legions. Nobody knows except for the fact a good number of legionaries were placed in the Ultramarines.

>> No.19643231

Korne is the basis for chaos, just as corn (as in grains) is the basis for human life.

Without the blood his followers sow, we would have nothing.

>> No.19643232

>>19642870
>AND the number of Chaos undivided
bullshit, no source
>I've gotten the vibe from Chaos fluff throughout the years that Khorne is probably the oldest god and that his portfolio (anger, war, bloodshed, etc.) is the most dominant influence most of the time in the Materium
It's canon: Khorne is usually the most powerful god, and also the oldest one. He awoke sometime in Antiquity/early middle ages.

>> No.19643308

>>19643232
>AND the number of Chaos undivided
>bullshit, no source
I take issue with your needlessly confrontational tone, and I direct you to the eight-pointed star that is the symbol of Chaos Undivided, the numerous references to Chaos worship as the "Eightfold Path," and pretty much all other references to Chaos Undivided that use the number eight.

>> No.19643333

>>19642870
I'm pretty sure he is, because he raised Doombreed (basically techno-barbarian Attila the Hun) to Daemon Prince status even before the Imperium was founded, while there's little to no evidence of the other Chaos Gods.

>> No.19643354

>>19643181
Unfortunately not, just a feeling. However, the Liber Chaotica has some interesting things to say about each of the Ruinous Powers that when held up against each other provide a bit of revelation.

>> No.19643381

Khorne is only the oldest because Tzeentch planned it that way.

Tzeentch's number is 9.

9 > 8

Tzeentch is the strongest, baka baka.

>> No.19643409

>>19643308
>and pretty much all other references to Chaos Undivided that use the number eight.
that is to say none
as for "the eightfold path", it's a reference to the fact that the chaosphere has eight arms. Doesn't prove anything.

You're assuming assumptions

>> No.19643414

>>19642870
>>19643232
>>19643308
>>19643333
>>19643354
Okay, thanks for the help guys. Looks like my 'regular' squads are going to be arranged in groups of eight. Might be a bit confusing with the Berserkers, but meh.

Another fluff question- how would a faithful Tzeentchite or Slaaneshi worshipper look at an ostensibly 'Undivided' army being focused around the number eight?

>> No.19643440

>>19643333
>techno-barbarian
nope, literal barbarian from the early ages of human history.

The Realms of Chaos specify that Khorne was born around Antiquity, Nurgle during the Black Plague epidemics, Tzeentch during the Renaissance, and Slaanesh during the Fall of the Eldars.
It's canon, and the closest thing to an objective, true account of the history of WFB/40k

>> No.19643450

>>19643414
As long as they weren't forced to bend a knee to a Khornate as their superior, I don't think they'd have a problem with it...assuming they'd be down with putting aside the primacy of their own individual gods and paying fealty to Chaos Undivided in the first place, that is.

>> No.19643457

>>19643414
Maybe they'd accuse them of leaning towards Khorne, maybe not.

>> No.19643469

rolled 6 = 6

It's 0, because 0 can never be undivided, and therefore is ever undivided.

>> No.19643477

>>19643450
>assuming they'd be down with putting aside the primacy of their own individual gods and paying fealty to Chaos Undivided in the first place, that is.

I can't believe I could derp so hard as to forget that. DERP. But if they weren't so fanatical, they'd be totes all right with Undivided Eight, right?

>> No.19643494

rolled 49 = 49

>>19643469
>0 can never be undivided

I mean divided, derp

>> No.19643530

>>19643477
>>19643494

Apparently Tzeentch is the one always responsible for wheedling out an agreement for them all to join forces to be Chaos Undivided.

>> No.19643576

>>19643308
If you pirate the new audio drama Butcher's Nails this eldar fuckhead says that Angron is heading down the eightfold path towards the skull throne.

It seemed that their it was talking about Khorne, but i don't doubt they're horribly inconsistent.

>> No.19643608

Alright, I have a Chaos question.

If Khorne was made from humans being so violent and nasty, how is he the oldest Chaos God?
Wasn't Slaanesh made way way wayyyy before humans even stopped bein' monkeys?

Or was the Fall of the Eldar a lot sooner that I thought?

And didn't the Necron fight the Chaos gods, and the humans were created, like the Krork and Eldar, to fight them?

Am I wrong in thinking Khorne was made from human violence?

>> No.19643651

thinking time has any meaning in the warp they all existed before they were born and will exist after they die.

>> No.19643668

>>19643608
>If Khorne was made from humans being so violent and nasty, how is he the oldest Chaos God? Wasn't Slaanesh made way way wayyyy before humans even stopped bein' monkeys?

Everything you just said is wrong.

The oldest chaos god is Nurgle
Khorne was not made from humans
All the Chaos Gods awakened far after humans became human
Slaanesh awakened in M30 (that is, shortly after the year 30,000)

>> No.19643679

>>19643608
There's a bit of an oddity with Chaos gods in that once they're created, they've retroactively ALWAYS existed. And they demand presents for every birthday you've missed. That's why they're so cranky.

>> No.19643690

>>19643608

Also no, humans were not created to fight the Necrons. The Old Ones seeded the Earth with life, but no more so than many other worlds and they did not design humans at all.

>> No.19643713

>>19643608
Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle probably didn't come out of human emotion specifically as much as they came from the emotions of pretty much everyone and everything with a warp presence more tangible than the tau. All three are very close in age, appearing ca 8000 BC.

IIRC the birth of Slaanesh wasn't that long before the Emperor set out to reunite humanity. Ie some 20000-25000 years from now.

The necrons never fought the chaos gods. They fought the slann and their kids (eldar, krork, etc), and then they turned around and fought their own adopted gods, the C'tan.

>> No.19643725

>>19643668
Oh. Eldar broke up wayyyy closer to current date than I thought.
>>19643690
Also oh.

And Necrons never fought Chaos, did they. Haha, I'm dumb.

>> No.19643743

>>19643690
I do remember a line in the necron codex saying they did.

Yes, the oldcron fluff was THAT dumb.

>> No.19643755

>>19643668
>Everything you just said is wrong.
Not that guy, but please back up your statement, or qualify it as an opinion.

>> No.19643862

>>19643755

First off, know that citing sources is not necessary except in debates. The dude was ignorant of a lot of well-known pieces of 40k fluff and makign a lot of assumptions, you don't need a goddamn index to tell people what they want to know. Fluff is not so subjective for statements to be called "opinions", and it is stupid to suggest such.

As for your (pointless) request, give me a moment, I'll dig up the page numbers.

>> No.19645347

>>19643862
Thanks - I would like the fluff reasons for the numbers as well - :)

>> No.19645388

There isn't an oldest god. They were born at the same time in the warp due to warp fuckery. And if anyone is the oldest it is Nurgle, since dieseas has plagued everything, rotting, dying has plagued everything even before we used the stick.

>> No.19645473

>>19645388
Except the RoC say it's Khorne.

>> No.19645524

>>19645388
Nurgle isn't fueled by the fact that things are dying, He's fueled by angst, the fear of death, of loneliness, of responsibilities, and of change.
And those feelings require a certain amount of culture, of civilization, to occur at their fullest. The desire to conquer and to kill, even honor and pride, don't.

>> No.19645605

if you look into actual Chaos Magick, which probably influenced Warhammer lore because it's British, the argument could be made for 8, 9, 24 or 25 being the number of Chaos Undivided.

(the eight pointed star is actually a nine pointed star, because of the middle. and each of the points corresponds to a concept that is divided into three - a pure form and one that's a little closer to the next on each side. opposites are always significant, and the middle is laughter, which is always its own opposite)

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