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Would Sisters of Battle ally with Neocrons if the situation demanded it?

>> No.19446601

Nope

>> No.19446606

>>19446590
>Would Sisters of Battle ally with Neocrons if the situation demanded it?
> if the situation demanded it?
>God Emperor demands the Sisters work with the Necrons
Done

>> No.19446674
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>allying with filthy xenos
HERESY
>allying with filthy xenos to crush chaos forces
NOT SURE IF HERESY

>> No.19446745

more likely the Grey Knights show up, rape the Sororitas, and kill the Necrons with the psychic tears of 1,000 virgins

>> No.19446783
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19446783

Yes.

>> No.19446807

What reason could the SoB possibly have for teaming up with the Necrons?

Do note that there's a difference between teaming up, and "Hey, look, the grey skeleton xenos are shooting the Orks, and not shooting us! Hold back and let them fight the Orks, so we can hit them when they're weakened!".

>> No.19446814

>>19446783
Tyranids so lonely.

>> No.19446820
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HURRDURR TEEGEE

>> No.19446824

>>19446783
Laughed at the Tau row. Also Space Marines: brothers in arms.

>> No.19446830

>>19446783
>Dark Eldar
>Working with Chaos
What.

>> No.19446845

That alliance chart makes absolutely no sense. Tau + Space Marines brothers in arms just scratches the surface. Why is Sisters + Black Templars an unholy alliance? They are both devotees of the Emperor. And Space Wolves + Dark Angels ought to be brothers in arms; they are rivals, but not enemies.

>> No.19446847

>>19446830

Dark Eldar were allied to Chaos in 13th Black Crusade and fought against Craftworld Eldar to help Ahriman and the Thousand Sons get into the Black Library.

>> No.19446856

>>19446807
Ward will find a way.

>> No.19446858

>>19446830
They do that, they just don't like that shit in Commoragh.

>> No.19446869

>>19446858
>>19446847
I thought the Dark Eldar hated Slaanesh and the dark gods though.

>> No.19446876

>>19446845
>Why is Sisters + Black Templars an unholy alliance? They are both devotees of the Emperor.

Fanatics of different religion.

>And Space Wolves + Dark Angels ought to be brothers in arms; they are rivals, but not enemies.

No, they really don't like each other, it's been 10,000 years since they had the friendly rivalry going on.

>> No.19446878

>>19446845
We don't yet know what the 6th has in store for Black Templars. Notice how they are more likely to ally with the Eldar than the SoB?

>> No.19446881

>>19446830
It's the spikes, probably.

>>19446845
SoB's sometimes see Spess Mehreens as impure because they do not bow to the Ecclesiarchy (In addition to the fact that they're cyborg mutant robot killer knights). The BT's have a bad habit of going to almost Khorne level violence in their purging, and sometimes focus more on the "purge, cleanse, kill" than the actual "for the Emprah" part.

Spess Mehreens see the SoB's as wannabee's, or a threat ("Only WE can fight in the Emprahs name!"). Plus, they see the Ecclesiarchy as not always doing the Emprah's will, whereas their individual chapter is ALWAYS doing the Emprah's will, and is NEVER wrong.


And I thought modern Spess Yiffs hated the post-fall Emo Angels?

>> No.19446889

>>19446869
You thought wrong then I guess.

>> No.19446892

>>19446881
Sisters are grudging allies with other marines, only Black Templars are an unholy alliance.

>> No.19446893
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>>19446783
>Tau
>Chaos Marines
>Grudging Alliance

What the fuck? Who made that chart? Do they understand a single thing about 40K lore?

>> No.19446907

>>19446893
>>>/v/142908696

>> No.19446910

>>19446845
They do have one of the stronger Space Marine rivalries, but yeah it's ridiculous to have DA/SW equally as willing to ally xenos (Tau and Eldar) as each other. Same with the Sisters of Battle and Black Templars. They both have strong but slightly different beliefs in the emperor, but the Black Templars more willing to work with Tau or Eldar than Sisters, and considering Dark Eldar and Necrons equally trustworthy allies? Doesn't make any sense.

>> No.19446912

>>19446876

Dark Angels' and Space Wolves' relations are this good:

>13th Black Crusade beginning
>Logan Grimnar appointed to overall command of Astartes in the Cadian Gate area
>Azrael suddenly starts ranting about how Chaos Marines are Astartes business and Imperial Guard/Navy should not get involved
>Logan and Creed say "fuck no"
>Azrael pulls all Unforgiven Chapter forces from Cadian Gate just before Abaddon's robbers and murderers start pouring out and goes to the ruins of Caliban to have a gay orgy

>> No.19446928

>>19446869
Dark Eldar only hate Slaanesh. They're wary of the other four, however.

>>19446893
The Tau are retarded when it comes to galactic politics. They try to bring Necrons into the Great Good for the Emperors sake. They dismiss tales of the big scary warp as just tall tales told by superstitious humans. They killed a Keeper of Secrets once, and thought they killed SLAANESH ITSELF.

The only reason the Tau form GRUDGING alliances is because the superstitious racist Chaos Spess Mehreens refuse to join the Greater Good, but will ally with them against the Imperium.

>> No.19446935

>>19446912
Was Azrael worried they might run into renegade Dark Angels or something? Either way it's really bitchy of them to do that.

>> No.19446937

>>19446912

That may have been more of a "we can't let the Navy find out about Fallen Angels" motive. And then when he was denied, he just said "fuck y'all."

>> No.19446940
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>>19446783
>Black Templars and SoB, Unholy Alliance

>Black Templars will ally with filthy Tau before they defile their presence with the presence of WIMMENZ

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19446941

>>19446783

>Necrons and Blood Angels aren't Brothers in Arms

>> No.19446942

>>19446783
>necrons
>orcs
>Grudging Allies
HOW.

>> No.19446943

>>19446928

That seems incredibly unlikely, but Chaos Space Marines are pretty diverse with their outlook on things. Is there any sources that say the Tau and any Chaos Marines ally?

Also,
>Eldar, Dark Eldar
>Orks
>Unholy Alliance
...The Orks and Eldar/Dark Eldar are allies?

>> No.19446953

>>19446912
>Dark Angels win in everyone warzone they play heavily in.
>Cadia gets its rump ravaged.

Bet they regretted that.

>> No.19446957

>>19446910
agreed, BTs should pretty much be on a par with nids as far as allying with xenos is concerned. Only doing unholy alliance with eldar. And I can hardly see them allying with the guys who chopped their high marshals arm off.

>> No.19446962

>>19446942
Give them guns.

>> No.19446969

>>19446910

Exactly. Black Templars allying with Eldar over Sisters? CW Eldar armies are lead by Farseers, who openly wield non-sanctioned psychic powers. Black Templars despise sorcery. Did Mat Ward write this chart or something?

>> No.19446970

>>19446943

"Unholy Alliance" does not mean they are allies in fluff, it means that the alliance is incredibly unlikely to happen and if it does, the factions are doing morale damage to each others (every unit must take a pinning check at the beginning of 1st turn).

It's equivalent to 8e Fantasy's "Desperate Alliance", which is something Skaven and Bretonnians can enter into. They're still enemies in fluff.

>> No.19446990

>>19446970

I don't see the Eldar every allying with the Orks. They rarely ally with humans. No way in hell they're going to ally with primitive greenskins.

But this is just a gameplay chart, so half the shit makes no sense.

>> No.19446991

>>19446942
Orks: " 'Ey boss, dese skelly boyz 'ere is roit n' shooty and deyz good at choppan too! some o' dem even put da dead boys skin on to get Orkier!"
Necrons: "I do say Lord Extrapolator Adjunct! These green savages make quite the good meat shield! How's about we sit back for a spot of brunch while they take the brunt of the fighting. We'll relieve them when they're done."

>>19446943
Greenskins are remarkably simple to manipulate. An Archon/Farseer/Autarch just has to promise them a good fight and some neat tech, and point them in the right direction. Eldar are willing to sacrifice entire worlds to save a single Eldar, they aren't above making deals with Greenskins. Plus, the chances of the Greenskin leader actually surviving the entire conflict are slim, as if the enemy doesn't kill them, you can bet a Ranger will put a bullet between his eyes because some Farseer told him it will save three Eldar lives in fifteen hundred years.

>> No.19447007

Some Orks are supposed to be mercenaries (and also not just the kroot but several other races now following the Tau are meant to be mercenaries as well) so I guess someone other than other ork has to be employing them. Eldar would certainly do so if it saves eldar lives, the dark eldar and necrons could I guess. Seeing how most races can be chaos corrupted (with daemons and evil artefacts you could justify any but the soulless necrons, and you'd be contradicting background for grey knights) you would think Chaos would have a much easier time allying.

>> No.19447063

>>19447007
On the other hand, when this guy named "King Bloodsmear, Dark Lord of the Five Planets of Eternal Torment and Sodomy", it doesn't matter how many toys he offers, even the most retarded of Tau will reject his offer.

>> No.19447080

>>19447063

But what about TIDF? Would he reject King Bloodsmear's offer too?

>> No.19447103

>>19447007
Indeed. There was once a faction of Orks that openly aped the Imperial Guard, and served as mercenaries for the Imperium on a regular basis. They were quite competent, but ultimately were wiped out due to not being Orky enough.

Not coincidentally, they were also supposedly the first Orks to encounter humans, having fought them the longest.

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19447115

seems legit

>> No.19447171

>>19446991
orks can't be that easy to manipulate.

Ghazghkull: 'ere we go boyz! krump dem steel eadz good!
Yarrik: Join us and we'll give you the fight of a lifetime.
Ghazghkull: no betta fightins than now! WAAAGH!!!
Yarrik: Ever heard of the Eye of Terror?

Cue third Armageddon war being averted and millions of orks flying their way into Khorne's back garden.

>> No.19447193

>>19447171
There was a story about orks doing that without anyone prodding them. Just straight up going to the eye of terror. They smashed planets belonging to tzeench, nurgle and slaanesh then shanked a a demon prince in the balls on a khronate planet which now revives them every day for an eternal WAAAAAAAAGH.

>> No.19447211

>>19447171
Orks aren't stupid; just simple. They're very clever in their own way.

The thing is, they do like the promise of a really good fight. Anyone can "manipulate" them by promising them a good fight and setting one up.

But they realize what the others are doing. If they think there's a better fight in just attacking now, they will. And if they think there's a good fight in attacking once the first enemy is dead, they will do that too. And they'll do it cleverly, at the right time and in the right way to ensure the best fight.

They're unreliable allies at best.

>> No.19447233

>>19446869
>>19446928

Actually one book featured Slaanesh worshiping DE.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Karhedros#.T9ZWrLWy_45

>> No.19447241

>>19447193
Yep. That particular ork went full Khorne corruption.

It's rare for Orks to fall to chaos, instead of going for Gork and Mork.

But it does happen, and that's the best example of it.

>> No.19447243

>>19446990

> No way in hell they're going to ally with primitive greenskins.

Considering Orks and Eldar are both the weapon races of the Old Ones, it's actually pretty likely.

>> No.19447258

>>19447233
And then there's that whole thing that eldar of any kind worshipping a different chaos god have the soul dibs thing cancelled and handed over to their new patron, mainly because the other three can slap slaanesh in the... whatever it has for genitals because its a pussy

>> No.19447261

>>19447243
The orks aren't. The Krorks were.

>> No.19447271

>>19446845
>Why is Sisters + Black Templars an unholy alliance? They are both devotees of the Emperor

That is like saying Christains, Jews and Muslims should all work together because they all believe in the same/similar God.

Black Templars are fanatics but as space marines they still see the Emperor as a man and not a God which is a direct contradiction to the teaching of the Ecclesiarchy.

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>>19446928
>The Tau are retarded when it comes to galactic politics

Yes, that is why they have a good number of allies and partners to call upon.

>They try to bring Necrons into the Great Good for the Emperors sake.

No, they did not. Aun'taniel threw a welcoming party for the Necrons descending on the planet to thank them for rescuing the Tau from the Tyranids. However this act of gratitude did not stop the Traveler from enacting his cruelty upon the Tau.

A single lord has rejected the friendship of the Tau, but who could say if the other lords will not listen to wisdom of the Greater Good. With the recent change to the Necrons anything can happen.

>They dismiss tales of the big scary warp as just tall tales

You are either ignorant of all the history of the Tau or lying through your teeth.

The Tau fought more than one battle against Chaos and the warp fiends, and learned through their research (Medusa Mission) of the dangers and horrors of the warp.

They know the reality of Chaos and are formulating ways to combat it.

>They killed a Keeper of Secrets once, and thought they killed SLAANESH ITSELF

It was one of the FIRST engagements with Chaos forces. The crazed Gue'la kept screaming the name Slaanesh again and again.

The Shas'O thought that the leader leading them was that ''Slaanesh''.

The Tau ignorance of the concept of inter-dimensional all powerful beings can be excused due to them being new to the galactic scene during that time.

Their knowledge of Chaos and the warp have grown since then, but this ill not stop you from repeating this story again and again to paint the Tau as ''naive ignorant hapless children''.

>> No.19447278

Quick question. What's the new fluff Necrons like? All I knew was that they were a race tricked into being soulless machines that performed galaxy wide genocide for crazy star gods.

>> No.19447281
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>>19447274
>The only reason the Tau form GRUDGING alliances is because the superstitious racist Chaos Spess Mehreens refuse to join the Greater Good, but will ally with them against the Imperium.

Chaos is incompatible with the Greater Good and thus the Tau of the Empire will not work with them or suffer their existence.

However, there are reports of the Enclave scum hiring themselves to the ''Traitor Legions'' and Chaos Pirates. Farsight's men it seems do not care who hires their services or why. They are just guns for hire.

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>>19447274

>> No.19447303

>>19447274
>A single lord has rejected the friendship of the Tau, but who could say if the other lords will not listen to wisdom of the Greater Good. With the recent change to the Necrons anything can happen.

Isn't this completely plausible now because of the newcron codex?

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>>19447289
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>> No.19447309

But, TIDF, how are you Brothers in Arms with the Ultramarines, who attempted to invade your empire during the Damocles Gulf Crusade?

>> No.19447318

>>19447278
New fluff is best fluff. Some kept their minds, but they all lost their souls. Towards the end of the War in Heaven after the Old Ones were destroyed they betrayed the C'tan and shattered them and trapped the shards in interdimensional prisons.

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>>19447274

>No, they did not. Aun'taniel threw a welcoming party for the Necrons descending on the planet to thank them for rescuing the Tau from the Tyranids. However this act of gratitude did not stop the Traveler from enacting his cruelty upon the Tau. A single lord has rejected the friendship of the Tau, but who could say if the other lords will not listen to wisdom of the Greater Good. With the recent change to the Necrons anything can happen.

>> No.19447346

>>19447303
Necron have a massive superiority complex, some would enslave the Tau, but they wouldn't accept the Greater Good.

>> No.19447357

>>19447278
The Necrons started out as the Necrontyr. They lived short lives, death all around them, yadda yadda yadda. They find the C'tan, make them bodies. The Deciever then tricks them into (or gives them) mechanical bodies. They fight the Old Gods with the help of the C'tan. The Outsider eats a few of his brothers, then goes outside the Galaxy. The Nightbringer imprints his visage as the bringer of death itself. The Enslavers come, and then they kill off the Old Ones.

At this point, shit veers off in a new direction. There were quite a few C'tan around at this point. The Necrons attack the C'tan, and shatter them. Turns out, the Silent King (The king of all Necrons) had been plotting this ever since they were put in the bodies. The C'tan are almost impossible to outright destroy, so they don't destroy them: They shatter them. These shards go every which way, but the Necrons manage to nab a few (And keep them for use and safe keeping). They can use these shards to make extremely powerful, godlike beings that are only slivers of the C'tans former glory. Literally, they are only limited by their imagination, but as they are basically pre-programmed to think like their former selves would (without access to the memories), they usually fall into routine "This C'tan burns shit, this one blows stuff up, this one makes people kill themselves" type patterns. Only one C'tan is actually destroyed: The Flayer. He creates the Flayer Virus in his last moments. More coming.

>> No.19447444

>>19447357
The Necrons, realizing that shits gone south and that there is almost no life left, sleep. Now, when the Deciever put the Necrontyr in their Necron bodies, not all the bodies made by the Necrontyr (Necrons made them, C'tan put them in them) were equal. The Overlords got the very best bodies, the warriors (Which were at the time of biotransfusion, everything from artisans to farmers to peasants to builders) got the worst. Crypteks have anywhere from Overlord tier to pretty good but not best tier. As you descend the ranks, the bodies get worse and worse. The Warriors are totally unthinking, and are either controlled by the Tombs built in AI, or the Overlord. If they lack external command, they just march forward and shoot and kill. Immortals can choose from a variety of different tactics and have limited vocalisation, but if they cannot find a perfect match in their tactic databank to counter the enemy, they just choose the nearest one. Still unthinking, but capable of fighting. Only members of the Court and the Crypteks are actually capable of free thought.

Necron society is very, very, VERY feudal. The higher up Necrons are basically kings, and they are constantly plotting and scheming and playing political games. Overall, the thinking Necrons are basically locked in an eternal power struggle, constantly ploying and playing and backstabbing and scheming, never gaining or losing. The only actual threat to Necron society is the Flayer Virus, which basically makes them crazy and obsessed with covering themselves in flesh (Human, Eldar, Tau, Ork, it all works), and causes them to become mindless and capable of teleporting in and out of reality at will.

>> No.19447517

>>19447309
They are honorable adversaries and stalwart allies in many occasions.

Though they have their differences, The Tau and Ultramarines can trust each other in the field of battle.

>who attempted to invade your empire during the Damocles Gulf Crusade?

If not for the intervention of the Ultramarines and other Space Marine chapters, Dal'yth-prime would have been reduced to ash.

The Ultramarines are great warriors it is sad they fight for such an unworthy cause.

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>>19447517
>Unworthy cause
>Cause being the Emperor

Son, that's heresy.

>> No.19447752

>>19447274
>
No, they did not. Aun'taniel threw a welcoming party for the Necrons descending on the planet to thank them for rescuing the Tau from the Tyranids. However this act of gratitude did not stop the Traveler from enacting his cruelty upon the Tau.

A single lord has rejected the friendship of the Tau, but who could say if the other lords will not listen to wisdom of the Greater Good. With the recent change to the Necrons anything can happen.

You were on his lawn bro. He doesn't hate you, that would require him to recognize you as something other than a cockroach. Its not done out of malice you just aren't level with sapient life.

>> No.19447789 [DELETED] 

>>19447517
Xeno scum. The sight of you blue-skinned freaks makes my skin crawl. Evolution has left you far behind, alien. The Tau are nothing but the briefest glimmer in a universe full of far brighter lights. Your days are numbered, Xeno

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>>19447517
Xeno scum. The sight of you blue-skinned freaks makes my skin crawl. Evolution has left you far behind, alien. The Tau are nothing but the briefest glimmer in a universe full of far brighter lights. Your days are numbered, abomination.

>> No.19447810

>>19447615
>despise him
>not cleanse his taint from the universe with heavenly fire

HERESY!

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>>19447517
We Ultramarines see great value from combating the Tau menace.

we have developed new tactics and technology from fighting against them.

I wouldn't say we respect the Tau. no more than you would "respect" a training dummy.

we simply see the value in combating a wide range of threats and enemies so that we may never be caught off guard in the future.

>> No.19447867

>>19446783

What is this from? I know there was an allies chart in like, 4th edition, but I would think that Grey Knights would still be called Daemonhunters, and that Ultramarines wouldn't be allied with Tau.

>> No.19447874

>>19447842
Why does their armour look less advanced?

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>>19447874
>not recognizing Mark 16 Damocles pattern armor

>> No.19447899

>>19447874
It's more advanced actually, I think. That looks like Mk. 8 "Errant" pattern armor.

>> No.19447914

>>19447896
Wait what? Mk. *16*? They go that high? What are marks 9-15 then?

>> No.19447935

>>19447899
>>19447896
I realize that it's supposed to be more advanced, but all dem flat surfaces make it inferior.

>> No.19447938

>>19447874

I assume you meant the Ultrasmurfs. I'm not %100 positive, but I think that's the "new" Mk. 8 armor.

>> No.19447941

>>19447914
Fanfiction bullshit.

>> No.19447958

>>19447935
i think the reason they don't do the practical designs is because it looks too much like tau designs.

>> No.19447960 [DELETED] 

>>19447867


Anyone?

>> No.19447966

>>19447914

Just did a bit of searching, evidently it's from a Warhammer 50K fanwank.

Pretty good fanwank though.

>> No.19447997

>>19447960
>http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2003593a_40K_Doubles_Pack_2012.pdf

>> No.19448001

>>19447914
It's from the fanfic, Dornian Heresy.

basically its a reveral of sides of the Horus Heresy.

in it instead of the Ultras remaining loyal or turning to Chaos, they up and succeeded from the Imperium. so they kicked out mechanicus and started openly reverse engineering xeno tech into their own armor.

basically you have a 2nd nonchaos human empire

>> No.19448103

rolled 1, 3 = 4

test

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