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As someone who doesn't know much of anything about W40K, I had a question.

I've been told that basically every side in the game is evil in some sense. Tyranids eat everything, Necrons want to serve everything to their masters to eat, Orks kill things seemingly for fun, the Imperium is incredibly xenophobic, the Tau employ mind control, the Dark Eldar eat souls and have very violent urges, and let's not even get into Chaos.

But what's the Eldar's deal? Yes, I know they accidentally created a Chaos god or some crap in the past, but what is it that makes them evil now? I'm not being facetious; I'm legitimately curious.

>> No.19322388

I think in their case it's less "evil" and more "retarded and static and dying"

>> No.19322390

A level of selfishness that most sociopaths don't even have. They'll sacrifice entire worlds of other races if it means saving one of their own. Just one.

>> No.19322405

They're just as racist as the Imperium but in a more manipulative sense

>Necrons want to serve everything to their masters to eat

lol not anymore. Necrons are probably the least evil race now, they mostly just want to reestablish their former lands and be left alone

>> No.19322413

>>19322390
I don't see you having a problem with swatting mosquitoes, monkeigh.

>> No.19322447

>>19322405

What's changed for the Necrons?

>> No.19322458

>>19322390
There's also the Eldar Corsairs that use several craftworlds as their bases, plus the tendencies of some to meddle in things seemingly unrelated to them.

>> No.19322459

>>19322447
>they mostly just want to reestablish their former lands and be left alone

>> No.19322474

>>19322447
What HASN'T changed for the Necrons?

>> No.19322475
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19322475

It's just a damn shame some of them managed to flee on their craftworlds before glorious Slaanesh was birthed. But their soulstones are delicious...

>> No.19322483

>>19322405
>Necrons
>Wanting to be left alone

Sure some of them, but most of them want to conquer the galaxy or attain godhood (then presumably conquer the galaxy). But they are still probably the second least evil. They aren't genocidal, and their hatred of the other races seems to me to be less racism and more hatred of the culture, since the Triachs make sure the Necrons fight fairly against enemies who had adopted bits of Necron culture thanks to their meddling.

>> No.19322495

I dont think the orks are evil, I think they just mistakenly assume everyone enjoys fighting as much as they do.

>> No.19322502

>>19322413
>EIDF

dear god no...

>> No.19322511

>>19322459

Yes, because that tells me how Necrons went from "I serve my master0101" to "Just leave me the hell alone".

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19322516

Honestly, the Eldar annoy almost as much as the Tau. They're arrogant and feel like they are entitled to the entire galaxy.

But....

>>19322475

Their heads crunch under my boot with such a beautiful and sickening gush.

>> No.19322520

>>19322413
Because a mosquito isn't an entire world filled with people, nor is it sentient.

Eat shit, knife ears.

>> No.19322523

>>19322495
More likely they just don't care about what everyone else thinks of war. Orks want to fight, and only this matters to them.

>> No.19322535

Eldars are slaves to their own foresight, they would not blink at eradicating colonies of sentient beings if they thought there was taint or could be that would grow to be a major threat in the future.

They are a paranoid dying race and act accordingly.

>> No.19322537

>>19322520

As a representative of all mosquito-kind, you are wrong! But never fear, for I am here to enlighten you on the noble struggle of all mosquitos for equal rights.

>> No.19322541

>>19322502
Oh, but yes. Once the stars themselves lived or died by our command. Now we hang out on the internet. Eh, it's all good.

>> No.19322549

>>19322541
No they didn't. For the Necrons they did. You ain't got no Celestial Orrery.

>> No.19322553
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>>19322523
Perhaps. Atleast the Orks get the title of least xenophobic race in 40k I guess

>> No.19322566

Orks are gay. Tau for life.

>> No.19322569

Personally I think the Eldar are slaves to their own prophecies. They act the way they do because they think it's the only path of survival, when they could take actions that don't screw each other over.
But then again this is 40k, and I'm getting off a TTGL high.

>> No.19322574

>>19322520
>Eat shit, knife ears
You say that as if it's an insult. Not a few representatives of the lesser races have killed for the chance to dine on the smallest morsel of Eldar feces.

>> No.19322579

>>19322574

>You say that as an insult

No, I say that as a command. Please open your mouth and digest my feces.

>> No.19322587

space elves are dicks. plain and simple.

Orks love to smash things, and while thats evil to the races that get smashed, they are there to have a good time. I love Orks.

>> No.19322594

>>19322579
Eeeeeeeeeeeew. Zookeeper! The monkeighs are playing with their crap again!

>> No.19322596
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>>19322574

So how does it feel being a dying race? How does it feel knowing you'll suffer for an eternity in the embrace of Slaanesh?

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>>19322566
>2012
>Only attackin once inna scrap
I seriuzly ope you gitz dont do dis

>> No.19322618

>>19322594

>Zookeeper!
>Calling for a job only humans would know about
>You have absolutely no way of knowing about Zookeepers at all because all Eldar are only concerned with their race

You can take off the Eldar disguise now, sir.

>> No.19322619

>>19322596
Bitches don't know about our secret plan to, uh, die out and create some kind of God of Death... thing. Farseers have got it all figured out. 'tis prophesised, and we rock at the prophesies.

>> No.19322636

The Deathwatch was here, y'all are bitches.

>> No.19322637

>>19322618
>picture shows a proud, noble and implausibly tall Eldar and his? her?... I'm not entirely sure, to be honest... pet psychic cat
>no zoos because no animals

>> No.19322648

>>19322619
Ah yes, the Rhana Dandra, when all the Eldar will supposedly sacrifice themselves to finally destroy chaos
'What? Oh, not ME. I'll be long dead by then probably. Other Eldar will be doing the sacrificing, yes.'

>> No.19322657

>>19322637
On reflection, I'm going with 'her', but only because it looks just like monkeigh actress Tilda Swinton. Only more proud, elegant, noble and doomed, obviously.

>> No.19322660

>>19322637
>Not reckognizing your supposed own species' genders

Sir, you have to drop this juvenile delusion. You're an Inquisitor for Emperor's sake, be an adult.

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>>19322553
>Orks
>least xenophobic race

laughingJokaero.jpeg

>> No.19322662

>>19322619

Yeah, but that's more a Harlequin thing, really.

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>>19322619

You sound confident in said plot. Your xeno seers are just as reliable as our own sorcerers, filth. Go die in an explosion of promethium, but ensure you keep your soulstone in one piece. The long journey through the warp leaves my hunger wanting.

>> No.19322667

>>19322619
It says in the Necron codex that the Astromancers predicted the Necrons would achieve Apotheosis, but the nature of it and how they cannot decipher (though I myself bet it's similar to what Orikan's doing). That I trust more than "If we all die, and EVERY soulstone is used, and we wish real hard, and Slaanesh would die, the Eldar would reign supreme, and Santa Claus turns out to be real." Probably too many lost soulstones by the time the Eldar die out to create Ynnead.

>> No.19322669

>>19322637
That's just a pet house cat with the Eldar's typical obsession of sticking jewels on everything.

>> No.19322680

>>19322660
Well... shit. Just don't tell the Ordo Xenos, 'kay? Those guys can never take a joke...

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>>19322566

BOSS!

BOSS! SOMEONE SED SUMFIN MEAN ON THE TELECOMPUTY-FING

>> No.19322688

>>19322661
>implying a jokearo isnt just an elite mekboy in a gorilla suit
See that metal thing on his back? Thats where the mekboy stores his lunch, and it also hides the suits zipper.

>> No.19322693

>>19322680

I beg to differ. At least one of us can take a joke. I still prefer my jokes to have humor in them.

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>>19322688

How about this one? Clearly this is not a mekboy.

>> No.19322730

>>19322669
It's a gyrinx. While common on Eldar maiden and exodite worlds, they're not limited to those.

>> No.19322735

>>19322703
>dethskull_mekboy_with_looted_fez_and_swooping_hawk_wings.png

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19322741

>new Necron Fluff

Long story short, instead of serving the C'tan, the Necrons betrayed them and imprisoned them in shards.

The biggest change from the earlier fluff is that many higher-ranking Necrons have personalities now, although corrupted by millions of years of dormancy.

See 1d4chan for more details.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Necron

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>>19322735

>Clearly this is some kind of technologically-magic monkey!

>> No.19322782

> Farseers have got it all figured out. 'tis prophesised, and we rock at the prophesies.

I would argue that just about every other race is better at it than the Eldar.

Goddamn even Orikan managed to predict your fall and incompetence in trying to kill your racial enemy while they slept, he's not even a fucking psyker.

>> No.19322787

>>19322377
Tau are also aggressively expansionist.

I think the Craftworld Eldar are kind of passively evil... I mean, they don't care about anyone else, but most won't go out of their way to murder you. Not sure if that makes them the goodest' faction, or second behind the nicer type of Necron.

>> No.19322799

>>19322741

Ah, so it wasn't a "change", but a retcon. Thank you. This is more useful to me.

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>2012
>Not using jousting to solve all disputes
>Laughing Chapter Master.jpg

>> No.19322839

>>19322667
>Astromancers predicted the Necrons would achieve Apotheosis, but the nature of it and how they cannot decipher (though I myself bet it's similar to what Orikan's doing)

So Necrons become the new C'tan, like literally.
>Organic life--->synthetic life ---> pure energy --->immutable fabric of the universe

>> No.19322881

>>19322839
Jesus Christ
The Egyptian iconography, the portable wormholes, and ascending the material plane a beings of pure energy.

Guys, the Necrons are the ancients from Stargate.

>> No.19322888

>>19322839
You ever wonder how the C'tan knew the robotification process?

They did all this shit first.

>> No.19322962

>>19322888
Orikan has a profile similar to a C'tan Shard's when the stars are right, he hates the Warp because it interferes with his powers, he act's like a dick, he travels through time... I'm pretty sure that he could end up being one.

>> No.19323037

>>19322888
no, that's a gay explanation unsupported by the canon
>>19322881
or something from Babylon 5, actually

>> No.19323039

>>19322881

Think we can convince the Asgard to name a ship "The Marbo"?

also, genestealers = goa'uld?

>> No.19323048

>>19323039
no, and no

the necron monoliths are enough of a Stargate reference already.

>> No.19323052

>>19322553
They aren't xenophobic, sure. Doesn't mean they don't kill anything that isn't an Ork

>> No.19323065

>>19322553
that is to say very xenophobic. The ork glyph for "orky, proper" is a swastika.

>> No.19323073

They would gladly sacrifice every other sentient being in the galaxy to extend the life of a single eldar by a nano-second.

They're ass hats like that.

>> No.19323074

>>19322390

Arguably that is the opposite of being selfish; don't forget that from a biological standpoint, altruism only makes sense as caring for the rest of your species. If they care for other Eldars enough to go to all that trouble to rescue them from lesser life-forms, that is already impressive in a twisted way (and much more than the Imperium would do for most humans, despite likewise being human-centric; but it has many more monkeys to keep track of, of course).

They are immensely Eldar-centric and arrogant, and what makes them loathsome is that they often seem like they could actually afford it.

>> No.19323080

>>19322458
Eldar Corsairs are the best Eldar. Swashbuckling Space Pirates!

>> No.19323096

>>19322962
>I'm pretty sure that he could end up being one.
I think that is his plan.

>> No.19323106

>>19323048
I had been thinking about scratch building a Stargate and using it as an objective marker.

>> No.19323129

>>19323074
The issue becomes that while Humanity or the Tau could, in theory, make serious inroads against the other factions and come out on top on a galactic scale, The Eldar no longer have that as an option: They number so few and have so little resources in relation to the other factions that drawing any attention to themselves would see every Eldar wiped out within 1000 years.

Essentially, the Eldar are just Spoilers: If they can't be on top, they are going to ensure they claw along for as long as they can, and ensure that noone else who would actually be GOOD for the galaxy as a whole can win either. Their self-preservation is laudable, but despite all their claims that the other races are too short-sighted, coupled with their adamant hatred of Chaos, comes off as little more than self serving hypocrisy.

>> No.19323148

>>19323080

And they all look like David Bowie.

>> No.19323157

Firstly... The eldar might not do direct evil, but knowing of existing evil and doing nothing about it while it hurts good is still evil. The indifference.. at least IMO.

Secondly.. Lets not forget how damned insane the summoning the avatar process is. Allowing the brutal Aztec style sacrifice in terrible pain occur just to walk with the damned avatar for a battle. I suppose it and the necromancy they pull with the Wraithguard and Wraithlords.

>> No.19323190

>>19323157
Those examples don't hold up though, since those two are examples of voluntary sacrifice on the part of the Young King (The Eldar who forfeits his body to host the essence of Khaine), and on the part of the Eldar who return to control the Wraiths.

the Eldar aren't indifferent, they just are working towards an impossible goal when the reality of the galactic military/political situation is considered.

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>>19322962
>Look up Orikan at the Lexicanum

>"Though his studies are widely used, few amongst Orikan's Cryptek peers trust him due to the insolence and mocking scorn in which he treats the nobility of every rank, even mighty Necron Overlords. "

Looks like I just found my favorite Necron ever.

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>>19323052

>They aren't xenophobic, sure. Doesn't mean they don't kill anything that isn't an Ork

>They also kill things that ARE Orks!

>> No.19323218

>>19323207
ahem
they ARE xenophobic. Anything that's not a propa ork gets krumped good.

>> No.19323223

>>19323207
But that's usually when there aren't puny Umies about to knock about and whatnot

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>See, Obyron, the separatists come - attempting to outflank me just as they did at the Fourth Battle of Vyndakh. How they calculate that daubing themselves green and roaring like savages will produce a different outcome, I cannot fathom; but it is of no account.
>Ready my legions - another glorious victory shall soon be ours.
>Nemesor Zahndrekh to Vargard Obyron, prior to the crushing defeat of Waaagh! Bludtoof

Senile Super-Tactician Necron believing he's still alive and fighting the civil wars of the old Dynasties is the best Necron.

>>19323039
>also, genestealers = goa'uld?

No, 40K already have a Goa'uld analogue in the Bruul.

>> No.19323388

>>19323207
xenophobic means 'Fear of alien' (in the greater sense, not just 'alien races).

Orks are not xenophobic. They have no fear of anything. They do however react violently to anything that's "un-orky", even throwing aside differences between themselves to fight a common 'un-orky' presence.

>> No.19324000

My private list of 40k factions, rated from the most blatantly evil to least:

1. Dark Eldar - treacherous, conniving sadists who spread misery for shits and giggles.
2. Chaos - they want to skullfuck the entire galaxy for reasons ranging from plain evil to plain insane.
3. Imperium - fascist religious zealots who want to skullfuck the entire galaxy in the name of a dead god.
4. CW Eldar - sure, they just want to survive and be left alone, but manage to be humungous dicks about it.
5. Orks - just because they're too retarded to know otherwise doesn't make these sadistic brutes any less horrifying.
6. Necrons - a tentative position, some of them are harmless unless you bother them, some of them are Dark Eldar-tier douchebags, but overall they seem more prone to ignore people.
7. Tyranids - sure, they want to nom everything, but there's no real malice in them, it's just an animalistic instinct.
8. Tau - sometimes hypocrites, sometimes too trigger-happy, but the sole fact that they have such concepts as inter-species diplomacy or coexistence with other races (with the Tau on top nevertheless) makes them almost bro-tier when compared to the rest.

YMMV.

>> No.19324061

>>19324000
>>1. Dark Eldar - treacherous, conniving sadists who spread misery for shits and giggles.
If they stop they die. They're addicts, sad, miserable addicts.
>>2. Chaos - they want to skullfuck the entire galaxy for reasons ranging from plain evil to plain insane.
Yup. Evil for the sake of being evil. Deal with it, it's canon.
>>3. Imperium - fascist religious zealots who want to skullfuck the entire galaxy in the name of a dead god.
Currently, yes.
>>4. CW Eldar - sure, they just want to survive and be left alone, but manage to be humungous dicks about it.
If some nosy punks with their pimped rhinos came to your lawn and started pooping all over your garden, you'd be pterry pissed too.
>>5. Orks - just because they're too retarded to know otherwise doesn't make these sadistic brutes any less horrifying.
They were made for fightan' and being funny.
>>6. Necrons - a tentative position, some of them are harmless unless you bother them, some of them are Dark Eldar-tier
>>douchebags, but overall they seem more prone to ignore people.
Evil. They still want to kill everyone. Just not for the C'tan.
>>7. Tyranids - sure, they want to nom everything, but there's no real malice in them, it's just an animalistic instinct.
Survive, not nom. Surviving includes nom.
>>8. Tau - sometimes hypocrites, sometimes too trigger-happy, but the sole fact that they have such concepts as inter-
>>species diplomacy or coexistence with other races (with the Tau on top nevertheless) makes them almost bro-tier when
>>compared to the rest.
Oh no. They're just like the imperium, except with less power. Much less power. Like a 9 volt battery compared to a nuclear powerplant.

>> No.19324121

>>19324061
Eh, I think the fact that the Tau don't want to kill all non-Tau makes them better than the Imperium. Also, there's nothing to indicate that the average Tau's life is as hellish as that of many humans, so arguably they have some sense that it's a good idea to look after individual members of their species.

>> No.19324124

>>19324061
>Dark Eldar
>If they stop they die. They're addicts, sad, miserable addicts.

They got addicted to things they were doing all the time already. They barely noticed the birth of Slaanesh, they were too busy bondage-fucking each other.

>CW Eldar
>I'd be pissed too
Sure, I'd be. But there's "protect-my-race-pissed" and "conduct-large-scale-treachery-leading-to-genocide-pissed". And the other one is kinda excessive.

>Tau
>As bad as humans
Not half as bad as humans. Again, they're the only race who sets their win condition as something other than utter extinction of all enemies.

>> No.19324128

>>19322377
Eldar are guilty of Master Race and being fuckawesome

>> No.19324146

>>19324121
The Imperium has shown itself more than wiling to play nice with xenos in the past(Ork and Kroot mercs, Jakerio, Eldar, various other aliens).

Humanity differs from the Tau in that their leaders know how bad the Galaxy is and what must be done to survive. The Tau live in ignorant bliss of this knowledge.

>> No.19324157

>>19324146
Oh, I thought they were all EXTERMINATE THE XENOS. Is that just propaganda to keep people suitably afraid and obedient then?

>> No.19324169

>>19324157
That's mostly propaganda. They just hate most Xenos. The Emperor held particular hatred for those that used humans as slaves. Minus Orks and Dark Eldar they are all dead now, to include one race of aliens that lived in habitats inside the warp.

>> No.19324185

>>19324157

They *are* exterminate all Xenos.

In the days of the Great Crusade, they wiped out all aliens they encountered. No exceptions. No-one saw anything *wrong* with that - It's just how business is conducted.

Even if it was Terran stock who'd become unacceptably alien (Like including alien DNA in their genetics) they're still ripe for extermination.

Right now, things are different - The Imperium is fighting wars on many fronts, so it prefers to deal with the obvious enemies. But they'll get round to the aliens eventually, oh yes they will.

>> No.19324715

>>19324185
lies and directly contravened by established canon. it's in the rulebook fluff for fuck's sake. there are numerous races of pissant xenos huddling around the Imperium's borders it doesn't murder because there's no point to doing so.
Sure the imperial citizenry are encouraged to hate aliens but this is a byproduct of enculturating a proper suspicion of heretical deviancy that might lead to straying from Imperial truth, the Imperium /needs/ its citizenry to hate aliens because aliens, by and large, are fucking dicks, the only two xenos species who aren't massive assholes are the Jokaero and Kroot, all the others are misguidedly aggressive little pissants at best, galaxy-threatening evils at worst.
Basically, hating aliens makes -sense- because the aliens hate mankind right back.
n.b. I play Orks, Eldar and 'Crons.

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