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http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/05/05/network-news-the-6th-edition-leak-and/

>Let us start with 6th edition fluff progression.

>The Imperium is fracturing and the Space Marines are starting to separate themselves from the Lords of Terra. The heretical and xenophobia has gotten to a tipping point causing many chapters to take actions against the “best wishes” of many in the Imperium.

>A discovery of galactic importance has happened.

>At a time before right before the Horus Heresy the Emperor had intrusted Roboute Guilliman in the protection of one Xenos race that was completely immune the temptations of Chaos and would prove the ultimate key to the destruction of Chaos. The Horus Heresy ended such plans. Fast forward today with discovery of these lost correspondences, it is believed by the Ultramarines and others that the Tau are that lost race. So now instead of being charge with their destruction the Astartes are the Tau protectors.

Suck it puritan imperials, Tau are of immense galactic significance.

Rules changes

Every unit gets a 6+ save vs. all Psychic Powers.
Random Charge Lengths are in
Pre-measuring is in.
Random Battle field effects are in.
All armies can purchase buildings for placement on the battlefield.
Psychic powers are selected during deployment. (except Grey Knights)
Deployment and Missions types have doubled.

ALLIES ARE BACK IN

Blood of Kittens was spot on with their Necron rumours and 6th edition release is soon. I'm inclined to believe this will be how it's done.

>> No.18985644

>advancing the plot

did hell freeze over or something?

>> No.18985647

Not a chance in hell.

>> No.18985653

>>18985644

It's not real plot advancement though, is it? Nothing has actually happened. This is exactly the sort of plot advancement GW often use.

>> No.18985655

>>18985632
This looks...not that bad.

>> No.18985660

Maybe. If the Emprah hadn't been a xenophobic bastard to begin with (about the only xenos he worked with were Eldar, and he still only trusted them as far as he could throw their webway entrance).

>> No.18985662
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18985662

It's hardly surprising. The Tau killed Slaanesh, they're already a quarter of the way towards ending the Chaos threat.

>> No.18985663

>Random Charge Lengths are in
>Space Marines protecting the Tau
Wut

>> No.18985672

>The Emperor entrusting the fate of the human race to Xenos
>The Emperor
>Xenos

Wrong. There is no way. Not so long as Ward works at GW.

>> No.18985677

With the psychic power thing, either all psychic powers will cost the same, or they're going to make it a chart based thing (like fantasy's magic)

I do doubt these are legit though, not even GW love the Tau that much.

>> No.18985682

My god, OP's desperation for Tau to be relevant is palpable. Did the meanies at your LGS laugh at you for choosing a race with a vagina on their face?

>> No.18985684

>Psychic powers are selected during deployment. (except Grey Knights)
Can't wait to get me some of them (Limited Edition) Battle Psychics Cards!

>> No.18985691

Not even the creators of Imperial Armory love Tau that much.

>> No.18985692

>>18985653

Yeah, it is similar to 5th edition adding stuff like High Lords turning worlds to Space Marine governance due to lack of resources of their own and the reveal about Golden Throne breaking down.

I don't think date will move past 999.M41.

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18985693

>>18985662
>implying gods can be killed by fusion blasters
>this is what Tau actually believe.jpg

>> No.18985697

The idea of the Tau becoming a imperial protectorate is retarded but I'm all for a new imperial civil war.

Realm of Ultramar vs High lords of Terra would make the Babad war look like school yard scuffle.

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18985702

Something really bad is about to happen to 40k, I can feel it.

>> No.18985710

>>18985693
They didn't realise Slaanesh was their god, they thought he was their commander.

>> No.18985712

>>18985632
You do realize the Tau were still cave dwelling savages at the time of the Heresy? If even that. The Imperium weren't even aware of their existence until much later, and the Tau at that point were so insignificant they were ignored. The assertions you make are ridiculous at best, and reek of fanboyism. Fuck off, faggot.

>> No.18985714

>>18985693
The Tau are young, they need to figure this shit out the hard way

>> No.18985717

If it comes true, this'll be absolutely glorious.

>> No.18985722
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>>18985692
The plot must go forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling toward money.

>> No.18985724

>>18985712
Apparently the Emperor has been more or less omniscient of late, or so I've heard, in the HH novels. Not saying that's a good thing, but it would be consistent.

>> No.18985726

>>18985712

According to the current fluff, and even that would only mean Mechanicus and High Lords did not know, it would not bind the Emperor.

But GW is not bound by current fluff. I remember how year ago /tg/ said the idea that C'tan would get sharded was retarded wank.

>> No.18985727

You know, if this actually turns out to be true, I will not be able to stop laughing for months.

>> No.18985730

>>18985672
Look at it this way: under Ward, the Ultramarines have shown just about every virtue except racial tolerance. Now they have a chance to display that too when no one else does, and be the most right people in the Imperium again.

>> No.18985737

>>18985722
4 MORE YEARS!
4 MORE YEARS!
>Ward elected President of GW in landslide victory

>> No.18985746

Well it finally happened.

Tau have gone full Mary Sue special snowflake bullshit.

Now we will never hear the end of it from that annoying tripfag.

>> No.18985748

Okay, I'm not sure what to think about this. Not the quality of the fluff, but the accuracy of the rumours. On the one hand Blood of Kittens has been right before, on the other hand... What? Seriously?

I'm going to have to sit on the fence about this one. It just seems implausible, and then I remember the other recent retcons...

>> No.18985751

>>18985746
Hardly any more than the Space Marines. You're just annoyed because nonhumans are having something concrete over the Imperium without being lolevil.

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18985752

ALLIES ARE BACK IN

>> No.18985762

>>18985746
Don't..... Mentioning him is the worst thing you can do.

Anyway, if this actually happens, which I don't for a second think it will, I won't be frequenting this board anymore. The devastation will be apocalyptic.

>> No.18985763

>>18985746

>Actually getting annoyed by TIDF
>I shiggity diggity do

>> No.18985765

>>18985751
No, it's the fact that they are the chosen race over humans by the Emperor himself that is kinda stupid AS FUCKING ALL HELL.

>> No.18985773

>>18985765
Possibly the Emperor foresaw that the Imperium would shit all over his legacy? Though it's not like that'd require much clairvoyance to begin with.

>> No.18985775

But how Tau immunity to Chaos would help the Imperium?

>> No.18985778

>>18985773
You know that the Cabal had a prophesy that if the Emperor had died then humanity would have died off in a thousand or so years. But if he didn't the galaxy would endure 10,000 years of darkness.

So it's been 10,000 years, where is the turn around?

>> No.18985779

>>18985765

How so?

Emperor acknowledges they can be used against Chaos because they can't be corrupted, and orders Guilliman to herd them, presumably when they are living in stone age. He's correctly noting Tau have useful properties and should be used, he's not saying they're the master race and every human should submit to the greater good.

>> No.18985780

>>18985765

Chosen as a weapon. For the humans to use. So that the humans can rule the galaxy.

I don't hear anyone complaining about how much everyone loves psykers for their special magic bullshit powers that they have over other humans.

>> No.18985783

>>18985632

Nah, it's nonsense. It's simply not going to happen - The main conflict is always Imperium/Chaos, with a bit of Eldar thrown in.

All the other factions aren't even relevant.

>> No.18985785

>>18985775

Isn't there something about the Tau being sufficiently disconnected from the warp that they can look out of the windows of a ship in warp-transit and suffer no ill effects?

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18985787

>"We have no interest in bowing to your tyrant, invader."
>the Imperial Guard minions of the tyrannical Gue’la Emperor

IF ONLY THEY KNEW

>> No.18985825

This BoK guy seems to be a humongous faggot.

>hey guys.. I have a lot of rumors but you have to post them first.. I swear I'll add to them

Gets more clicks for his ads while he posts stuff only other people contributed / is total BS / is already known

>ya..hu..umm.. Tau are pets of ultramarines now.. haha u mad? I'm such a nerd xD

The conflict will be imperium / chaos, the whole allies rule is bullshit and most of the rest contradicts rumors from actually "serious" sources.
Either he got trolled hard or, and this is more likely, he is trolling to get more hits for his page.

>> No.18985826

>>18985785

The Tau brain specifically evolved to produce a very limited, near-zero, Warp presence.

>> No.18985834

>>18985825

>the whole allies rule is bullshit and most of the rest contradicts rumors from actually "serious" sources.

What serious sources, ghost21 and fake 6th edition leak? No, those are not as reliable.

>this is more likely, he is trolling to get more hits for his page.

Or he is right like he was with Necrons, and the "serious sources" who once predicted a new reign of C'tan are wrong, again.

>> No.18985842

>>18985825

While I would find this to be hilarious if true, I have to agree; the rule changes seem pretty bullshit, as does the example of "necrons and blood angels" for allies. Even if it did canonically happen, it was a one off, reluctant alliance.

>> No.18985850

The Tau have not developed psychic abilities, possibly due to a chemical mixture in their brains that prevents access to the warp. Why they developed this is unknown, but it prevents the Tau Empire from being easily corrupted by the forces of Chaos. None of their units have psychic abilities.

>> No.18985857

>>18985834
No, more like Hastings and the others who have SEEN the new models.

>> No.18985863

>>18985850
The Tau Empire has psykers you pleb.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nicassar

>> No.18985871

>>18985857

Why don't you attribute your wishlist to a new source.

Hastings has said stuff about the models and release schedules. Nothing about the fluff, and nothing about rules that contradicts what BoK posted.

>> No.18985882

>>18985871
u mad taufag?

>> No.18985886

>>18985882

And that reinforces my point.

>> No.18985888

>>18985871
How should he post about rules that don't exist?

>> No.18985892

But Tau aren't completely immune.

>> No.18985893

>The Imperium is fracturing and the Space Marines are starting to separate themselves from the Lords of Terra. The heretical and xenophobia has gotten to a tipping point causing many chapters to take actions against the “best wishes” of many in the Imperium.

>A discovery of galactic importance has happened.

>At a time before right before the Horus Heresy the Emperor had intrusted Roboute Guilliman in the protection of one Xenos race that was completely immune the temptations of Chaos and would prove the ultimate key to the destruction of Chaos. The Horus Heresy ended such plans. Fast forward today with discovery of these lost correspondences, it is believed by the Ultramarines and others that the Tau are that lost race. So now instead of being charge with their destruction the Astartes are the Tau protectors.

I can just see the Emperor sitting on the Throne, trying to scream out "I MEANT THE NECRONS YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS" without a tongue.

>> No.18985899

>>18985893
I support this fanon.

>> No.18985906

>>18985893
And then the Emperor loses 3d10+5 Sanity Points watching the chaos and destruction that ensues from the Space Marines stupidity.

>> No.18985915

Dark Angels are the new poster marines, so I guess it kind of makes sense for the Ultramarines to go off and do some wacky shit.

>> No.18985920

>sell gazillions of horus heresy novels
>focus more and more on conflict imperium / chaos
>new box set will most likely be mareens vs chaos
>suddenly change 6th to become a clone of a product that did not sell well and boost a faction that is not popular

yes, sounds believable. If anything they will make 6th LESS like WHFB.

>> No.18985923

Tau Immune to Chaos? How many Tau babies to I have to staple to my Power Armor to be immune also? How many on my Lemon Russ?

>> No.18985924

inb4 the Demiurg return and we have Squats 2: Electric Boogaloo

>> No.18985935

>>18985893
"WHY DO YOU THINK I FUCKING STOLE ONE OF THEIR GODS AND STUCK IT ON MARS, BECAUSE I WANTED A PET?"

>> No.18985942

>>18985920
>a product that did not sell

Sauce?

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>>18985915
True, but there's far saner wacky shit the Ultramarines could have done.
Like, I dunno, setting up an intergalactic home shopping channel, or something.

>> No.18985954

I don't care if this setting has no advancement I want to see some more Farsight info.

>> No.18985962

>>18985632
>Psychic powers are selected during deployment.
isn't that how it is already? (excepting of course powers you pay specific amounts of points for.)

>> No.18985969

>>18985935
>C'tan shard
>Necron god
>Not Necron bitch.

>> No.18985977

>>18985962

It's might be to counter the "lol random psychic powers" rumour.

>> No.18985978

>>18985942
You missed the word "well" there.

>> No.18985981

>ALLIES ARE BACK IN
>That is right allies are back in and this will be according to fluff and will have certain restrictions. So for instance Tyranids will not have any allies. Tau with all Space Marine Chapters. Necrons with Blood Angels.

>Necrons with Blood Angels.

He's gotta be trolling, it doesn't make sense for Necrons to team up with Blood Angels more than any other Marine chapter.

>> No.18985983

>>Every unit gets a 6+ save vs. all Psychic Powers.
Right.
>>Random Charge Lengths are in
AW HELL NO. They already ruined Fantasy with it.
>>Pre-measuring is in.
Fuck no, this is stupid.
>>Random Battle field effects are in.
Okay, this better be balanced.
>>All armies can purchase buildings for placement on the battlefield.
They will all be useless.
>>Psychic powers are selected during deployment. (except Grey Knights)
Forgot about Eldar, did you? Bullshit.
>>Deployment and Missions types have doubled.
No, returned to previous levels.

>> No.18985984

>>18985935

"God? Mars? Guys, is the Astronomican leaking again? I am getting some strange interference here."

"Oh yeah, it does that from time to time, but if you just snip those wires... Here and here, it will be fixed. Just a shame about those strange servitors who keep trying to put them back."

>> No.18985988

>>18985978
My bad, but still, sauce?

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>>18985981
Perhaps the ragers went on about Necrons and Blood Angels being bestest friends so much that GW decided to make it canon.

>> No.18985996

nids will not have allies?
bah lies, its lie BoK completely forgot about genestealer cults.

>> No.18986005

>Current rumours say no Daemons in Chaos Space Marines
>SadWordBearers.jpg
>Suddenly allies

I hope the allies part is true at least.

>> No.18986029

>>18986005

My money is on 8th edition Fantasy type allies system, which still means you and your opponent need to agree on the use of allies and they aren't automatically available in every scenario like 3e inquisition allies.

>> No.18986033

>>18985988
I work for a german shop that sells all kind of miniature gaming supplies, so my view on this is not that one that the GW sales department has, but in the last 5 months we have sold more Baneblades (8) than tau products combined (1 Box, 2 suits, 1 firewarriors, 1 kroot)

>> No.18986037

This reeks of TastyTaste trolling everyone.

>> No.18986058
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>>18986037

But what if he is right?

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>>18985662
Holy shit, this and OP's rumors made me want to start a TAU army.

>> No.18986070

>>18986029
Which is fucking lame.

Because while I can always get my opponent's permission at my local club, it does need to be spelled out in the book in plain English so that the worst people in the hobby can't be huge assholes about it.

"Allies are legal but whoops they're not actually legal" is really annoying. You can't bring a pickup-army list unless it involves only a single army book/codex, and that is ultimately not a good thing for the hobby.

And it's NOT a balance issue, because the game is designed for two legal armies to fight one legal army that is twice their points value. There are balance issues between the various books, but that's a whole other issue.

>> No.18986090

>At a time before right before the Horus Heresy the Emperor had intrusted Roboute Guilliman in the protection of one Xenos race that was completely immune the temptations of Chaos and would prove the ultimate key to the destruction of Chaos. The Horus Heresy ended such plans. Fast forward today with discovery of these lost correspondences, it is believed by the Ultramarines and others that the Tau are that lost race. So now instead of being charge with their destruction the Astartes are the Tau protectors.

If that is true then it really speaks volumes about what GW thinks of the Tau.
They fucked up by introducing a new faction that is literally one Crusade or War of Faith from being utterly destroyed and by dodging the question about why they still exist and handwaving away the facts they really built themselves into a corner.
They don't want to retcon them to much but can't keep them around with out one.

>> No.18986099

>>18986058

He isn't, and I'll laugh when 6th edition comes out.

>> No.18986108

>>18986090
one crusade has already attempted and failed to wipe out the tau. They're not totally helpless.

>> No.18986122

>>18986090
Aren't all factions besides chaos one crusade or a war of faith away from being wiped from the face of the universe?

>> No.18986125

Yeah that just looks fake... Some ofthe guilliman thing also doesn't fit to timeline. it would be cool but other bits are just retarded.

>> No.18986129

>>18986122
No.

>> No.18986140

>>18986129
Takes one chapter to wipe out a craft world.

Put several to it, eldar are gone.

>> No.18986141

>>18986122
Not really. Orks are everywhere, everyone shits themselves (or at least used to) when a hivefleet decides to cut its way through the Imperium, Eldar are too hard to find/too well spread, Necrons are difficult to kill and its unknown how big their armies are since they've only just started to wake up.

>> No.18986146

>>18986099

But what if he is right, and everyone will laugh at you?

>> No.18986154

>>18986140
Eldar are not all other factions. And they are generally spread out enough that one crusade would take a long ass time to find them all.

>>18986141
Necrons have more world than the Imperium.

>> No.18986162

>>18986146
We'll he's Anonymous, so I don't think many people will be able to laugh at him.

>> No.18986168

>>18986146

Pretty sure that if TastyTaste is right then he'd have bigger things to worry about anyway.

>> No.18986176

>>18986090

Well, that same thing also applies to C'tan and is the most likely reason for their retcon bombing.

They waited long for the fixes, which tells me there was some opposition within the studio. Not anymore though, Graham and Gav are working for BL only, and Andy and Alessio were shown the door too...even Priestley is gone. Only Phil Kelly and Jervis remain of the crowd that designed 3rd edition 40k.

>> No.18986181

>>18986168

If he's right, I'm pretty much out of 40K. The xenophobia and nastiness inherent to the Imperium of Man has become a core part of the setting, and it's refreshing compared to the usual 'culturehug' alien races get. To change that would severely diminish my interest in the whole thing, because it's clearly jumped the shark.

>> No.18986190

>>18986168

If GW was going to retaliate, they'd do so against their own people who allowed the leak.

Same thing that happened with last year's May Necron leaks, Beast of War getting the Necron WD ahead of time, Grey Knights test codex leak etc.

>> No.18986195

Tell me this isn't true. This CANNOT be true.

If you're a Tau player and you're happy about this, you are bad and should feel bad for celebrating bad fluff that wanks your faction while it fucks the entire setting in the ass.

>> No.18986198

>>18986190

I meant that if TastyTaste is correct, that Anon would not be so concerned for his pride, but the state of the game.

>> No.18986202

>see thread
>sixth edition fluff
>Youmadguela.jpg
>Not even the Dead shall know peace from this heresy

>> No.18986219

I support this only if it means that Farsight gets further marginalized. I'm tired of everybody wanking over him and ignoring the entire rest of the faction.

>> No.18986223

>>18986181

You know, Imperials and aliens have teamed up before, and it is just some space marines that are buddying it up with Tau according to the leak, not the main imperium.

It would be the conclusion of the High Lords' grip of the imperium fracturing and Space Marines getting more political power. We've already seen Dante form an alliance of imperial worlds, xeno worlds and successor chapters including an Excommunicate Traitoris chapter.

It doesn't mean the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy are cool with it, it is something that happens when the Imperium is falling apart.

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>>18985632

>> No.18986233

>>18986195
Didn't the necrons do this when they first came out?

Didn't GW pull "HUR C'TAN DID IT"!

>> No.18986238

>>18986233

Yes, and the change from 2nd edition to 3rd edition was ruleswise a much greater shift than adding stuff like random charges.

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>MFW this all turns out to be a ploy by the Ultramarines to get their ships close enough to perform Exterminatus on the Tau's homeworld.

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>So now instead of being charge with their destruction the Astartes are the Tau protectors.

>> No.18986248

>>18986223

> We've already seen Dante form an alliance of imperial worlds, xeno worlds and successor chapters including an Excommunicate Traitoris chapter.

Uh, what? When was that?

Also, the rumor's too silly to be true, anyway. It'd be business as usual in the next codex.

>> No.18986252

I'll believe it when I see it.

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>Every unit gets a 6+ save vs. all Psychic Powers.
>Psychic powers are selected during deployment.

Fuck, so much for my Seer council

>Necrons with Blood Angels.

please explain

>> No.18986259

But Tau are not even completely immune to chaos. What the fuck.

>> No.18986260

>>18986248
Blood Angels codex, at the end of the time line.

>> No.18986266

I can imagine how this goes:
Waaaaaa- Wat iz 'appening?
Blue 'umies and these pansies together?
Wait, why are dese pansies blue?
By Gork, dey're doin a lucky combo.
Run! We're zogged, run!

>> No.18986270

>>18986248


It's in the Blood Angels codex, came out two years ago, should be old news.


And lets be honest, Grey Knights and Necrons were not "business as usual". I remember how people ranted how it was impossible that Karamazov and Ordo Xenos would be included in the GK book too.

>> No.18986275

>>18985632

>The Ultramarines, considered Diabolis Extremis for aiding the nefarious Xenos race known as the Tau, have lost their homeworld Macragge when the Ordo Malleus arrived with an entire Imperial Navy Battlefleet, and used Exterminatus against them. No longer needing the Ultramarines to hold off the Tyranids, due to the fact that the former Adeptus Astartes and foul Xenos were right in their path anyways, the Imperium went about reinforcing the Eye of Terror just in time to prepare for the 14th Black Crusade, in which Abaddon the Despoiler had been plotting to Strike at Mars in order to corrupt the forges to recreate the Ironmen.

>> No.18986280

I don't get it, do the Ultramarines wake up one morning and say to themselves, "You know what? Let's protect the Tau, fuck the Imperium"?

>> No.18986291

>>18986248
When a hivefleet showed up. It basically came down to "Work together or get eaten". The "Excommunicate Traitor Chapter" bit is a bit of an exaggeration though. While the Knights of Blood have been rendered excommunicate because of their extreme methods, they still see themselves as loyal to the Imperium and (IIRC) have put extra effort into avoiding crossing paths with their brothers during the fights with the hive fleet knowing that a shitstorm might potentially happen because of their status.

>> No.18986296

>>18986280
Well apparently

>A discovery of galactic importance has happened.

They could find an ancient data slate or scroll or something. They don't necessarily fuck the Imperium either.

>> No.18986300

>>18986275

More like "And then, before the fleet made its final warp jump, a coalition of Inquisitors hunted down and slew the fanatical jackasses who nearly started Horus Heresy 2.0, The Rowboating."

>> No.18986304

>>18986280

It's a retcon.

Ultramarines encounter Tau and after some initial skirmish remember shit from some ancient documents.
They have long councils and agree that Codex Astartes supports this action.
They start brotecting the Tau covertly.

>> No.18986308

>>18986280
>Fast forward today with discovery of these lost correspondences, it is believed by the Ultramarines and others that the Tau are that lost race.
The Officio Postalus kept Emperor's letter to Guilliman for 10k years.

>> No.18986309

>>18986296

You're thinking too much into it. A discovery of galactic importance is more likely to be:

"Oh, <PRIMARCH NAME> left a MacGuffin behind for us to discover. Clearly, it's very important - And a doomsday device of some kind."

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>war with the astares

i look forward to flesh and faithing those tin can faggots to death.

>> No.18986315
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Ultramarines in M42

>> No.18986320

>>18986238
Why do people care about this then? Just because it's the Tau?

>> No.18986322

>>18986300

>The Coalition of Heretical Inquisitors made its move, attempting to stop the Battlefleet from reaching Cadia to stop the 14th Black Crusade, citing that any attempt to slay any Space Marine would set off another Horus Heresy. Fortunately, the Dark Angels stepped in, supporting the annihilation of the Ultramarines for betraying the Imperium, and slew all the Heretical Inquisitors.

>> No.18986323

"Allies are back"

Geezus! Are there really players so fucking unimaginative, and so ass-burgerish that they wouldn't play games of 40K with allies simply because GW didn't say "It's ok." ?!?

>> No.18986327

>>18986280
Considering the Ultramarines JUST finished mopping up the third sphere expansion with all their ultramarine successor bros, this "super legit rumour" is pretty trash

The Ultramarines have taken part in basically every major offensive campaign against the Tau. They'll show some honor in the sense that they don't just nuke the Tau from orbit.. but they're still out to kill them all.

anyways
>Emperor
>Guilliman
>protecting Xenos
>not uplifting humanity
sure is WRONG, random rumour site.

>random charge distance
>random battlefield effects
>pre-measuring
"guys, what can we add to make 40k's system -even worse- than it already is?"

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>>18986315

>> No.18986333

>>18986313
>Implying Guard would win

>>18986315
Why is he wearing a box? I know it's the Imperium and all, but I can't imagine power armour technology getting that much worse so quickly.

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>>18986329

>> No.18986341

>>18986323
maybe it's for official tournaments.

>> No.18986349

Remember how Mortarion used to not have a Grey Knight's name carved into his heart?

>> No.18986359

>>18986349
I remember how Mortarion never did anything and moped on his planet like a puss-ass bitch

did he even lift?

>> No.18986360

>>18986349
That's not even comparable.

>> No.18986362

>>18986333

guard would roflstomp the muhreens. there are, what, a few hundred million astares? and it takes them decades to make a new one.

1 spees is worth like 10 guardsmen but thats fine we'll use fucking 60.

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>>18986359
>did he even lift?

Nope. No squats either.

>> No.18986368

>>18986362
Kill death ratio canon wise is like 1000 to 1 for space marines to guardsmen IIRC

>> No.18986373

>>18986362

Officially there are one million Astartes.

Thousand chapters each with a thousand marines.

>> No.18986377

>>18986362
>and it takes them decades to make a new one.

It really doesn't. It does take decades to mobilize the Guard however. Guard are simply to slow and cumbersome to catch Space Marines.

>> No.18986378

>>18986360

Remember how the C'tan weren't shattered, broken and enslaved 60 million years ago and the Eldar did not force the Necron empire to stasis?

>> No.18986379

>>18986368
Source for that?

I think 1000 guardsmen would mop the floor with a space marine.

>> No.18986383
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>allies are back in and this will be according to fluff and will have certain restrictions
>Necrons with Blood Angels.

How does this even work? Did the Necrons started to tolerate other races?

>> No.18986385

>>18986378
Yes, that's a better comparison.

>> No.18986387

>>18986368
Kill ratio can be anywhere from 1:1 to 1:100000 depending on the author, context and plot armour. Trying to figure a canon ratio is pretty futile.

>> No.18986388

>>18986383
Yes.

>> No.18986395

>>18986383

Yes.

The Newcrons vary a lot, some are genocidal, some wants to conquer and some are ok with trading.

>> No.18986403

>>18986368

that still favors guard, if they can step up to a total war footing. but they probably cant.

>>18986373
thats an unreasonably low number. they are supposed to be a major force in the imperiums arsenal. 1 million would be so small they would get fucking forgotten every other thursday.

>> No.18986408

>>18986388
I don't know much about fluff but didn't the Necrons wanted to exterminate all of the other races so their empire can rise again or some shit like that?

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>>18986403

>> No.18986411

>>18986362
>>18986368
>>18986373
There's also the point that for 10,000 years, the Astartes have been seen as the Emperor's Angels, descendants of the Emperor's own sons (not literately though) and have a very mythological feel about them. They've won wars and have bled alongside the guardsmen even if a decent number of the chapters can be pretty jackass about it. Given the choice between shifty inquisitors and High Lords stuck in their Ivory Towers, a lot of the guard would jump ship with the Mahreens especially if they are performing the Emperor's true duty.

>> No.18986412

>>18986383
Short version: What you knew as Necrons before were woken up by the C'Tan('s shards) to act as their servants. They weren't really aware of anything because they were still mentally in stasis.

Now the actual Necron empire is waking up, because they've finished repairing from the war with the Eldar and then with the C'Tan. They were actually a far-spanning empire, before they turned on their gods and had to repair from destroying them. They're seeing humans infesting their planets.

They want their planets back.

>> No.18986419

>>18986403
Where marines win out is their autonomy and mobility, combined with their elite nature.

It's why the Badab War didn't end until the marines joined the party

>> No.18986430

>>18986387
what really matters though is who the Imperial Navy sides with, cos thats who wins.

>> No.18986434

>>18986403

One Million Astartes is the official number, some few chapters have more members, Space Wolves and Black Templars most famously.

And yes the number is way low. but nonetheless it is Canon.

>> No.18986436

>>18986419
There were marines on both sides of the Badab war though.

Unless you are referring to the ones on the loyalists side finally joining.

>> No.18986442

>>18986410

But that is just wrong.

Space Marines have engaged in both protracted campaigns and wars of attrition.

>> No.18986446

>>18986341
> maybe it's for official tournaments.

Yeah, because GW is *ALL ABOUT* supporting tournaments these days... (And tournaments never use anything but official GW rules.)

How about those 'Ard Boyz' tournaments!

All I can say is that I truly hope the "Lulz-Randumb" WFB style rules rumors are wrong.

>> No.18986455

>>18986442
That's the point, the Imperium cannot into fighting Space Marines very well. Other Space Marines are needed to fight Space marines effectively.

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>>18986410
Typical space marines hogging the glory.

Ah well, guard will keep actually waging war.

>> No.18986462

I dont get why everyone hates random charging? Are you all mad autistic 7th edition players who miss your game of "two blocks staring at each other?"

>> No.18986464

>>18986457
Guards can wage it, Space Marines will just keep winning it.

>> No.18986469
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Leave my fucking Tyanids alone GW!!!

Hive Tyrant that can't choose his Psychic Abilities, Zoanthropes that now have 6+ saves against everything they do (unless you're from the school that charges them into melee).

Random charging caters to the shootfest the games become, further crushing assault armies and/or forcing army lists to take more fire power to remain viable.

>> No.18986475
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>mfw the Tau had nothing remarkable about themselves to make them stand out in the fluff so GW's answer was to make them the wards of the Imperium

How does it feel to know that you're still relying on the Imperium to be relevant at all you disgusting xenos filth?

The Eldar may be disgusting aliens but at least they dont come begging to us on their knees to help them make up for a bland and shitty backstory.

You'll always be peripheral.

>> No.18986481

>>18986462

I don't know, any potential extension to charge ranges is a good thing.

This current system helps shooty armies because they know exactly how much the enemy can always charge, and that's 6'' or 12'' for cavalry and beasts.

>> No.18986489

>>18986333
That's actually supposed to be improved powerarmor, Damocles-pattern is meant to offer more more protection against kinetic weaponry. Yes, it's stupid.
On an unrealted note, if that fluff comes true, I'll likely stopp playing 40k. The whole point of the setting is that everybody is a huge asshole and hates everybody else.
That being said, I hope to high hell that Tastytaste is talking out of his ass.

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>>18986475
I think the Tau are pretty interesting without this.

I like their aesthetics a lot.

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So... less tactical movement. Good. The game was already dangerously close to involving tactics.

Random shit happening during the game that could take winning and losing out of the players' hands? Awesome!

Lots of wacky deployment methods? Hurray! That'll make up for lack of options elsewhere!

And the Allies rule won't be solid. It will require Opponents' permission like the Fantasy one and so thanks to That Guy being at every club the Allies rule might as well still be a houserule.

Ugh

I just don't trust GW to do anything other than produce a shitty game that I will ignore and rewrite in my head. That's how it has been for the last few years. This summer /tg/ will come together after disappointment with the real 6th Ed and turn that PDF from a few months ago into a full-fledged game.

>> No.18986499

>>18986475
the fanboy is strong with this one

>> No.18986503

>>18986475
>How does it feel to know that you're still relying on the Imperium to be relevant at all you disgusting xenos filth?

Everything relies on the Imperium to be relevant. 40k is Humanity Has Won. If you aren't involved with the Imperium, you aren't involved in the game. I thought everyone knew this?

Relying on the Imperium to be relevant in 40k is like relying on lands to be playable in M:tG. There might be a gimmick here and there that doesn't need it, but it's the exception, not the rule.

>> No.18986506

>>18986457

Yeah whatever, when you need someone to drop pod in and take out that SDS protecting the enemy capital while they're outnumbered a hundred to one, we all know who you're going to have to come crawling to.

>> No.18986516

Although I believe these 'rumours' to be bullshit, I certainly dont think it's out of the question that GW would take new strides to include more whacky terrain rules.

WHFB has been witnessing the effects of a renewed hardon for crazy terrain rules.

Expect lots of new 40k terrain kits that GW will want you to spend all your money on.

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>>18986506
It's called storm troopers or artillery.

You know, bombarding something into dust?

Hell, who needs a bunch of glory hoggers when you can see ten times more explosions and raining body parts?

>> No.18986531

If the whole 'space marines protecting tau' thing is true, it will probably go something like this:
>How can we convince those blue fuckers to join the Imperium?
>Screw diplomacy, let's just declare war on them and enslave as many as we can. They'll see the light of the emperor soon enough.

>> No.18986540

>>18986503
>40k is Humanity Has Won

I get what you're saying but that's hard to say even with GW's hurr-manity fuck year obsession. Humanity isn't winning anything. At best they're staving off their extinction really well.

Humanity will lose if GW ever advances the plot. The only thing stopping this is GW being GW.

So from a metafiction standpoint yeah the Imperium can only ever win, but from an in-universe standpoint they've already lost thousands of years ago and now we're just watching this pathetic attempt to stave off complete extinction. Humanity doesn't have the grace to bow out like the Eldar.

>> No.18986550

>>18986531

that could be a cool way to do it. farsight enclaves end up enslaved and forcibly converted to the faith. main tau continue to enslave and forcibly convert people to the greater dood. we get a good old fashioned religious war going instead of the constant genocide and genocide only shit.

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Boy, am I glad i'm playing Infinity.

>> No.18986564

>>18986503

The Eldar are a dying race who once ruled the galaxy and accidentally bonked a god of chaos into being, changing the nature of the galaxy for all time to come

The Necrons are an ancient race of extragalactic beings who warred with the Eldar and were betrayed by eldritch beings who tricked them into undergoing a vile form of body transcendence at the cost of their souls and are now setting out to reclaim their former stomping grounds

The Orks are a genetically bred race of super soldiers whose sole purpose is to fight and have spread out to all corners of the galaxy.

The Tyranids are another extragalactic threat threatening to consume galaxy.

Chaos is the embodiment of a daemonic alternate dimension that hopes to corrupt and debase the physical plane.

Compared to them the Tau are just.... a tiny race of nobodies who the Imperium need to use as a weapon.

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>>18986506
Marines drop troops, IG drops artillery.

>> No.18986592

>>18986580

couldnt marines be technically classified as artillery?

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>>18986592
Sometimes.

>> No.18986606

>>18986540

Uh...

You know humanity wins either way, right?

If the Imperium wins, humanity as we know it triumphs. If Chaos wins...Humanity still triumphs, except that they're evil, horrible humans working with demons.

Neither narrative accounts for aliens. Even Chaos Space Marines loathe the xenos.

>> No.18986612

>>18986606

>working with daemons

There's a single important error in that statement.

Can you detect it?

>> No.18986634

>>18986612
Working…for daemons?

>> No.18986653

>>18986634

Correct.

At the end of the day Chaos marines and cultists are all just doing legwork for horrible eldritch gribblies outside the laws of reality. Chaos isnt truly a 'human' faction at all.

>> No.18986671

>>18986653

doing absurd shit in the name of gods is pretty human.

>> No.18986683

>>18986653
Well, yet anyway. I'm sure by the end of the HH, Horus will have totally been about to become the God-King of the Warp, or some stupid shit.
Why do the writers have to write Space Marines in a way that ruins everything?

>> No.18986685

I'd like GW to expand on the "Wolf wolfity wolf wolf times" that all the primarchs seem to be waiting for.

Obviously they can't advance the plot there, but make an eldar prophecy or some shit so you still have deniability.

>> No.18986687

What's the allies thing about?

Can you field more than one army at once or something?
Jesus, 6th ed looks like such horse shit if all this turns out to be true...

>> No.18986692

>>18986653

What's your point? Chaos has explicitly been separated from the alien threat. It's:

> Cast out the mutant, the alien, the heretic.

There's an Ordos:

> Xenos, Malleus and Hereticus.

Chaos? They're evil gods, and they're closely linked to the human race. Recent fluff has made it perfectly clear that the human race *is* Chaos - Without it, Chaos dies.

Chaos is the dark reflection. Aliens aren't even in the mirror at all.

>> No.18986713

>>18986692
But…but Slaanesh *IS* Eldar. The dark, twisted minds of hundreds of billion tortured alien souls given horrible sentience and intent.

>> No.18986721
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So begins the age of the TIDF...

Fuck this gay earth and fuck you GW if its true.

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>the Tau are then revealed to not be the secret race immune to chaos
>Tau get eradicated by chaos because of this
>the real immune to chaos secret race is actually the Squats
>Directed by M. Night Shaymaladindong

>> No.18986746

>The Emperor asking Rowboat Girlyman to protect filthy Xenos

No fucking way

Oh well at least "The Imperium is fracturing" Will lead to the ultimate victory of the Orks.

Not that we didn't already know that

>> No.18986749

>>18986723
But... but squats are humans...
WHAT A TWEEST

>> No.18986753

>>18986746

orks already won.

>> No.18986761

>>18986692
>Chaos has explicitly been separated from the alien threat.

Lol no. Read the scene in the Laer temple in the Fulgrim book.

>> No.18986768

>>18986723
Except for the fact that when Squats existed, so did Chaos Squats.

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I always thought it'd be cool if the Imperium went the way of Shogunate Japan - one weak central power with the country as a whole being run by tons of local warlords.

The new Tau fluff, no way, pic related

>> No.18986791

Just saying guys, how reliable has bloodofkittens.com been in the past?

Have they leaked stuff before, and has it been accurate? Or is it all just a shot in the dark?

>> No.18986810

its a good day to collect Tyranids

>> No.18986815

>>18986791
BoK has been pretty accurate so far.

>> No.18986830

>>18986815

Then may God help us all...

>> No.18986852

>>18985632
>Tau are of immense galactic significance
in the context of being imperial weapons. Nukes are of immense historical importance but if you don't have anything to use them on they're a waste of space - doesn't speak well for their society and influence.

In any case that bit of fluff if true is horrifically retarded because it makes 0 sense unlike they they retcon the Tau Codex and a good portion of established fluff which will likely incite more neckbeard rage.

>> No.18986854

>>18986830
>Being Christian
>M41

I shiggity diggity

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>>18985632
AUN'VA'S WISDOM!

So noble Eldrad was right after all. The Tau are destined for greatness. I always had faith in the ultimate destiny of T'au, but it sure feels good to be vindicated.

Oh...by Tau'va...I am chocking up here. I must alert everybody. Everybody must know of this joyous news!

>> No.18986863

>>18986852
>unlike they they
Wow i must have been derping hard.
unless they*

sage for grammar correction

>> No.18986874

>>18986862
DAMN IT

YOU WERE SUPPOSE TO DELETE THE THREAD BEFORE HE SAW IT!

>> No.18986880

>>18986862
Yeah, how does it feel to be a weapon of the Emperor?

Feels good doesn't it. Don't tell Grey Knights about your purpose though, they might get jealous.

>> No.18986898

I play tau and if this is true... well it'd be nice to have a good reason to be a useful army again but not like this. Not like this.

>> No.18986922

>>18986862
>noble Eldrad
it hurts to live...

>> No.18986925

>>18986692

>Recent fluff has made it perfectly clear that the human race *is* Chaos - Without it, Chaos dies.

But that's fucking Wrong

Both Eldar and Orks have a huge warp presence.

>> No.18986947

>>18986925
Orks have a good way with dealing with Chaos.
Smashing the fuck out any ork who converts to it

>> No.18986953

>>18986925
Eldar are too small in number to be anything but a pebble in the ocean of the warp now. Dont know about the orks though

>> No.18986960

>>18986947
isn't it the same with humans?

>> No.18986973

>>18986960
Orks can smell when someone turns away from Gork & Mork

>> No.18986987

>>18986947
Doesn't gork (or possibly mork) bash any chaos god on the metaphorical head that tries to corrupt orks?

>> No.18986992

>>18986947

>Implying that all Orks don't revere Gork and Mork
>Implying that Gork and Mork aren't Warp entities

>>18986953

Orks are the most numerous race in the galaxy AND they have warp presence

They mean more to the warp than humanity does

>> No.18987016

>>18986987

Mork is Brutal but Cunnin'

Gork is Cunnin' but Brutal

Or maybe it's the other way around.

Either way, yes, but there's still some (not many) Khornate ork tribes out there

Gork and Mork beat the shit out of Khorne on the seldom occasions they grow tired of fighting each other.

>> No.18987022

>>18986987
Not really. They are too busy fighting each other. That said, "Chaos Orks" really only happen when Orks mistake another God's artifact thingy as one to Gork (or maybe Mork).

>> No.18987033

I don't think we will ever see Orks being corrupted by chaos(and by chaos i mean the 4 Gods) in mass.
Gork & Mork are depicted as WAY more stronger than the other 4 gods.
And Orks like some eldars said, already won the Eternal Struggle. They don't want change, they just want to fight, fight, and more fighting.
And Gork & Mork are all the gods they need to get their Fightan

>> No.18987039

>>18986973
Orks have anti chaos plot armour.
They should be the most afflicted by chaos, but they aren't. Because.

Their mindset is perfect material for Khorne, Nurgle or even slannesh, but they aren't corrupted because bad grimderp demand that chaos only affect race that aren't already fucked up.

>> No.18987072

>>18987039
Gork&Mork are so much stronger than the other gods that it doesn't even matter.

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>>18986880
It feels tremendously good. The greatest of the El'Dar admitted to the superiority of the Greater Good and now the Gue'la Emperor does the same.

''We stand as a bulwark against the selfish, the soulless, and the mad. Today more than ever before we fight for the Greater Good and we will triumph!''

I told everyone that the goodness of the Tau would be salvation of this galaxy. I told everyone that the light of Tau'va would banish away the darkness and the horror. Nobody believed me they rolled their eyes and shook their heads at me, but now they can not anymore.

I raise my heads to the heavens and yell VINDICATION with the top of my lungs.

I know I should not count Grox eggs before they hatch, but by the Auns this really made my day. The true celebration will happen after I see this written on official paper. I will wipe away these tears of joy and embrace this brilliant future with a smile.

>> No.18987100

>>18987039
>Implying orks are fucked up
>Implying orks aren't perfect

>> No.18987104

>>18987087
Oh Boy.
TIDF now seriously, when you decided you're going to annoy the fuck out of /tg/ with Taus?
You're doing an EXCELLENT Job

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>>18987087
:3

>> No.18987130

>>18987104
I'm honestly surprised we haven't brought in /pol/ to talk to him about the Greater Good bullshit.

>> No.18987140

>>18987087

>The greatest of the El'Dar admitted to the superiority of the Greater Good and now the Gue'la Emperor does the same.

But that isn't what it says you retard

IF this is true, all it means is that The Emperor wanted a race that couldn't be stained by Chaos to use as a weapon

It doesn't mean that he liked your retarded communist ideology

>> No.18987161

>>18987140
Stop arguing with him.

You won't win, and he will just keep believing his lies.

Tau are as smart as ogryn when it comes to ideals.

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>>18987140
>communist ideology

OH BOY, HERE WE GO.

>> No.18987185

>>18987039
>Implying something like this

"I'm da hand of Gork and Mork, dey sent me to rouse up da boyz to crush and kill 'cos da boyz forgot what dere 're for. I woz one of da boyz till da godz smashed me in da 'ead an' I 'membered dat Orks is meant to conquer and make slaves of everything they don't kill. I'm da profit of da Waaagh an' whole worlds burn in my boot prints. I'm death to anyfing dat walks, where I go nothin' stands in my way. I iz more cunnin' than a Grot an' more killy dan a Dread. I'm Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka an' I speak wiv da word of da gods. We iz gonna stomp da 'ooniverse flat an' kill anyfing that fights back. We iz gonna do this coz' we're Orks an' we was made to fight an' win."

>Isn't made by someone from the perfect race
>laughingnobs.jpg

>> No.18987187

>>18985632
>Space Marines are now the Tau protectors

Even as a big Tau fan I find this utterly ridiculous.
However, giving Tau some protection against psychic abilities does make sense.

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>greater good
>communist
isshigidy diggidy

stop leaving shit on our doorstep. we didnt want obama and we dont want tau.

>> No.18987191

>>18987087
>How does it feel to be the Emperor's Weapon
>It feels good he admitted our superiority.

Wat. How did you even get that out of what he said?
Though if you notice that, that fluff if true, says the Tau are too weak to survive on their own, they need the protection of the Ultrasmurfs.

Tau players should find it degrading.

>> No.18987200

>>18987072
Gork and Mork are BAD, it's bad fluff.
Each chaos god represent something different, but those two have just little aspect borrowed to other. They are survivors of the time we had other gods like Malal and co, and when we had order gods, and they should have died with them. Other abandoned gods could have been made interesting, orks gods are just bad. It's precisely why they survived : they have absolutely no point, serve nothing even metaphorically and never achieved anything.
Logically, orks should be the first fuel for Khorne and Nurgle according to their mindset. But they aren't because if they were, chaos could be strongly weakened by massive slaughter campaign of orks. That would create a escape route to better times, and so we have boring orks gods, doing nothing and meaning nothing forever, because plot hole in the warp theory.

>> No.18987229

>>18987200
>because plot hole in the warp theory.

so, the realm of chaos is chaotic and not neatly subjectible to logical scrutiny?

you dont say...

>> No.18987250

>>18986108
The Imperium sent more troops to recapture Vraks than they sent to fight the Tau.
Yeah, a single planet that was deemed worthless got more attention from the High Lords than the Tau Empire. You mad taufag

>> No.18987254

What does TIDF stand for? Tau Imperialist Defense Force?

>> No.18987260

>>18987254

tau internet defense force

>> No.18987261

>>18987229
But chaos is subjectible to logical scrutiny.
It's just that is work with its own mechanism, and we have quite a good idea of those mechanism since chaos realms.

>> No.18987275

>>18987260

Which in turn is a play on JIDF, Jewish Internet Defence Force the worst enemy of /pol/ and stormfront.

>> No.18987281

>>18987261

>Gork and Mork are BAD, it's bad fluff.

Why?

Chaos Gods are all about Emotions and Ideals, and Gork and Mork perfectly exemplify Ork Ideals and emotions. Khorne and Nurgle do not, or rather, they do to a lesser extent.

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>>18987161
>>18987104
>Stop arguing with him.

Exactly, I don't have time for this at this moment so forget /tg/ for now. I have calls to make, messages to send, and twitts to twit!

I am gonna walk in my LGS with my head held high, wearing the smuggest smile ever, and bring them the good news. I can't wait to see the look on their faces.

Farewell, friends. Thank you for the good news.

>> No.18987290

>>18986108
The Damocles Crusade was tiny as far as Imperial Crusades can go, and still fought the tau to a standstill on a Sept World.

There is no playable race in the 40k setting that can't kill the Tau if they decide to waste the resources.

>> No.18987292

>>18987284
OH GAWD, he's like that irl?

Send them my condolences

>> No.18987295

>>18987292
He isn't
he is just trolling the fuck out of you

>> No.18987298

>>18987292
All Tau fanatics are like this.

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>>18987284
I'm still going to be kicking tau asses every time one of them is in the LGS.

Because The Emperor forbade working with Xenos, and these documents are suspect

>> No.18987325

>>18987250
Not really because I don't judge the worth of my faction by the actions of yours.

>> No.18987352

Wait if the Tau were chosen to be the true allies of mankind and were being protected by the adeptus astartes that would mean that the Ethereals truly are evil, as they have blurred the Tau's noble past and made an enemy out of their potentially biggest ally.

>> No.18987381

>>18987306
While I also think this rumor is shit on chips, your attitude is precise evidence as to why imperial-fags are such beligerent fagball fucks.

Ass-faces like yourself are half the reason I quit this fucking game, 5th ed being the other half.

>> No.18987396

All the TIDF/general tau bitching is infinitely worse than the troll in question or the tau as a race in 40k, it really is tiresome.

For shame /tg/... for shame...

>> No.18987397

>>18987281
Gork and Mork emotions are all included in the chaos gods domain, which means they should at least struggle a LOT to maintain themselves (both orks gods and chaos gods) and fight a lot for orks souls.
The only good thing about them is that they are two identical orks gods, which is pretty orkish.

Also I personally think it would be better is gods weren't racially defined, but I acknowledges it's the case.

>> No.18987405

If anyone is wondering whether the rumours are accurate or not, last year BoK's Necron rumours were quite accurate and were posted much earlier compared to the book release than this one - 6th edition is out in July.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/04/30/future-tact-necrom-rumor-review/
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/05/12/future-tact-necron-random-unit-review/
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/05/27/future-tact-necron-random-unit-review-2/
(this one also has accurate new C'tan fluff)
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/06/18/future-tact-necron-random-unit-review-3/
(got the number of attacks wrong by one and pistol is not as expensive in the release, but otherwise spot on)
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/07/02/future-tact-necron-random-unit-review-4/

>> No.18987407

> Cheers gentlemen!

>I have to say that I am surprised that this stuff has been leaking so quickly and accurately.

>All that tastey taste has stated is infact true. Along with the blos leak a few days ago that is also true.

>I know all of these rumors sound bloody ridiculous but they may not be bad for the game at all. I have been chatting with the source for my documents, we'll just call him "the commissioner", we both feel that based off of the csm codex that assaults off of consolodation will be back as well as possibly off the bloody deep strike. This is not only backed up by the fact that they are "nerfing" assault range, but also because of 2 special rules.

>Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.

>Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.

>Mates, be ready for some proper changes. The game will no longer be what it is now. It is much more in depth. A lot more charts and usr's... The chaos dex is over flowing with them.

>Be ready for changes mates, but have an open mind. GW isn't going to kill their brand.

>Will this new rule set kill the tournament scene? I cannot be sure yet, only time will tell.

>Cheers,
>Grant

Just got this of Faeit 212, Grant is mostly pretty accurate when it comes to rumors.
If this is true, then fuck GW. Seriously.

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>>18987407

Whoa.

This actually got me more excited about 6th.

>> No.18987455

>>18987396
And none of that is as bad as the 'fuck year humanitee' fucks and their self-entitled wank-posts about how they picked the correct army to play in a game that penalizes you for not play spess mehreens.

>> No.18987467

>>18987295
Are you sure he is a troll? All the signs point him being another rapid fan.

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>>18987455

>> No.18987502

damnit GW, stop leaking and just give us the fething rulebook already.

>> No.18987513

You guys need to accept that this will happen.

>the leaked rules make sense. Psycic saves will balance out most of the OP races such as wolves, IG and GK. Terrain rules make sesne as we've seen it happen in Warhammer Fantasy. Random battlefield effects has been foreshadowed by the Deathworld rules in White Drawf.
>Tau are currently the worst selling race in the game
>they've needed a update for a long time
>Gw will deal with two birds with one stone. This fluff will make them more popular and lead into the new codex update. That means more money for GW and people flock to start collecting them.

It will happen. I for one welcome our new Tau masters.

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>>18987502

You'll have to wait for that, but I can give you the name of its writer.

>> No.18987550

only thing i dont like is random charge length.

>> No.18987567

>>18987550

If they compensate for it by bringing back consolidation to combat, or even assault off deep strike, it will be okay.

Especially if they allow assault from a derpstrike.

>> No.18987606

>>18985632
>xenophobia has gotten to a tipping point
Wut. Xenophobia is what the Imperium does. This is >implying that some Marines don't like killing xenos, or something.

>> No.18987625

>>18987606

Even Marines can work with xenos occasionally, lets take the incident with Blood Angels mentioned in the thread. Would the Ecclesiarchy allow an alliance with xenos and Excommunicate Traitoris chapters? Hell no, Dante acted without the Imperium's consent.

As 5th edition rulebook says, Astartes are getting more imperial worlds under their control and this means more conflict with Ecclesiarchy, Sisters and Administratum.

Oh, and here's vehicle rule rumours and chaos rumours from Grant.

>Rhino's have 3 hull points, Landraiders and the defiler have 4. Any damage chart result other than wrecked or explodes will take 1 hull point away.

>HQ's can now challenge each other just like in fantasy. This must be accepted by opponent or [combat] is played normal. HQ that wins, wins the assault for his unit.

>Chaos units that kill a unit get to roll on a chart for gifts from a chaos lord very similar to the power from pain rule that Phil gave to DE.

>Thousand sons are still relentless and still have ap 3 bolters.

>> No.18987627

>>18985632
Oh hell this is retarded. But then thats the standard quality of 40k fluff

>> No.18987631

>>18987606
Or it may mean that certain members of the Imperium have realised that they're killing Xenos even when doing so hurts the Imperiums best interests. i.e. Refusing to ally with Tau to fight off an orc or chaos army, resulting in a loss where there could have been a victory.

>> No.18987686

>>18987625

in during open topped artillary gets 2 hull points and my flesh and faith guard list has to get even more flesh and faith-y.

>> No.18987691

>>18987631
No that's not right the Imperium as a wholew should be shown as unreasoning morons.

>> No.18987712

>>18987631
At least they have some principles...

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>>18985632

This is fucking retarded. Not just garden variety retarded, actual weapons-grade-most-retarded-thing-I'll-see-on-4chan-all-week retarded.

I'm glad I got out of 40k circa 4th ed, after having played it since way back in 2nd ed.

It just pains me to see something that I liked as a kid being retconned to shit, recycled, re appropriated, repackaged, and then sold of in a desperate attempt to squeeze as much money out of 12-year old HALO fans as possible.

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>>18987188
>Implying Obama is communist
>Implying that Obama is even remotely similar to the Left-Wing
Americans, you are so funny.

>> No.18987739

>>18987691
Well it's playerbase certainly does that on their own...

>> No.18987758

>>18987722

thats what i was saying you git. i dont like being compared to obama.nor the tau.

i get super but devastated when conservatives try and say that people i would like to see at the bottom of a mass grave are just like me.

its almost as bad as when liberals jump into an argument to defend what they imagine communism to be.

>> No.18987781

>>18987758
It down right says in the fluff that the tau are collectivists.

Shut up already.

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>>18985632
>Random Charge Lengths are in
>Pre-measuring is in.
>No mention of KP getting the fuck out
Yep, I'll pass on 6th ed too.

>> No.18987819

>>18987781
all communist ist collectivist not all collectivist ist communist. caste systems and priestly rulers and wishy washy greater good imperialism that shit aint in the manifesto and you know it. nor even in lenins works.

>> No.18987836

Sounds like the heretic's edition isn't going to happen. Sadface.

>> No.18987849

>>18987397

That's the thing though, the argument that what Orks feel is completely different to what humans/Eldar feel. Essentially, the Chaos Gods would be the struggle of ideals that split the Eldar and is splitting humanity. Orks have no such problem, and this is reflected by having their own gods to protect them from such disorder.

>> No.18987855

>>18987819
I don't give a rat's ass.

Collectivists, socialists, Utopists these are all key words for communism or at least communism enablers.

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Whatever, the galaxy is still gonna burn.

>> No.18987877

>fluff progression
Oh, god. I actually laughed out loud. This rarely happens to me.

>> No.18987893

>>18987855

You're why others make fun of fat, jingoistic Americans.

Don't breed or vote.

>> No.18987946

>>18987567

This. I'm fine with random charge length, but I am interested in how they impliment it. Will it be a possible buff (i.e. 8" max range but random) or just a flat nerf (i.e. 6" max but random).

Giving my boyz the ability to considate assaults and assault from deep striking will make it all better again though.

>> No.18987964

>>18987849
I have to admit I was mostly trying to derail the thread to anything but everytaupostever, but I'm really terrible at this.
Yet I really think what I wrote, just I'm less assertive than that.

So, the main difference is the "don't give a fuck" vibe ? I would still said that it can be covered by the some Khorne (who can be mindless or happy killing, ), Nurgle (who is a of present time, letting thing going) or slannesh.
Ork protection against the bad side of the warp is like saying carefree people are protected from their emotionality, which is like the opposite.

>> No.18987978

I'll just leave this here:

http://them42project.blogspot.com/

>> No.18988003

>>18987946

I don't think they're going to nerf it to d6.

In Fantasy 8th edition they made the charge range equal unit movement+2d6''
That was an upgrade on average.

In 40k they have static movement, so I'd say charge range would become something like 3+d6 or maybe even 2d6.

>> No.18988012

>>18987946
> Giving my boyz the ability to considate assaults and assault from deep striking will make it all better again though.
> better
It's not how you spell broken.

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>Tau are currently the worst selling race in the game
>they've needed a update for a long time

Sorry, Sisters are currently the worse selling faction and they need an update a lot fucking sooner then Tau.

And no, WDexes don't count.

>> No.18988025

>>18988003

i like 3+d6 better. 4 in minimum is reasonable. 2d6 one snake eyes throw could essentially end a game.

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I don't even play the game any more, haven't since third or fourth edition.

But there is so much Imperial buttmad in this thread. Fucking delicious.

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18988053

Warhammer is getting so kid-oriented and so dumb that I don't even find ironic comments to make about that. It just now depress me. I'm glad I stopped spending money in GW games ages ago.

>> No.18988058

Something good happens to the tau and you guys suddenly get all bitter.

What petty kids you guys are.

>> No.18988078

>>18987964

>Ork protection against the bad side of the warp is like saying carefree people are protected from their emotionality, which is like the opposite.

Carefree humans tend to be hiding/supressing something. The whole concept of Orks is that they REALLY ARE carefree, you know?

As for a derail, this was a rather delightful one. I don't know shit bout no Tau to make a comment either way but I'll gladly argue Ork theology.

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See loyalists? The Emperor really was a faggot all along!

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>>18988024
>And no, WDexes don't count.
Actually, you can let it count, the WD codex is a pile of shit. It's still ridiculously underpowered and now it's also boring.

>> No.18988099

Ok, I understand how
>Every unit gets a 6+ save vs. all Psychic Powers.
is a bad thing. This should only be some kind of special ability like every other fucking save. Or do we all get 6+ cover saves for standing in grass? sand? snow? now as well.

But how is
>Psychic powers are selected during deployment. (except Grey Knights)
bad? Does this mean that units with multiple powers can't change? I've never played psychic units before, I don't understand this.

>> No.18988105

>>18988099
>Does this mean that units with multiple powers can't change? I've never played psychic units before, I don't understand this.

I think it means powers will be random, like Fantasy.

>> No.18988107

>>18988012

>It's not how you spell broken.

...it's not THAT powerful...

Ok, well give my boyz consolidation at least. I miss being able to wipe a board with one grand charge. I mean, I still have to get that close and it's their damn fault for bunching up like that!

I do see how assault after deepstrike can be OP though, especially since Spess Mahrines get to deepstrike Dreadnaughts.

>> No.18988119

>>18988092
>> WD codex is a pile of shit. It's still ridiculously underpowered and now it's also boring.
Hence why I said it doesn't count in terms of what came when.

>> No.18988121

>>18988107
>I do see how assault after deepstrike can be OP though, especially since Spess Mahrines get to deepstrike Dreadnaughts.
>Dreadnoughts
>Good at assault.

Only Blendernaughts.

>> No.18988122

>>18988107

It would make daemons good.

Bloodthirster deepstriking and assaulting will rip off the arms of a Blood Talon dread and it can do nothing in return.

Keeper deepstriking and assaulting will rip the dead marine off the chassis and make sweet love to him.

>> No.18988140

>Allies are back in.

Bullshit.

>> No.18988146

>>18988089
Horus Heresy take a whole new sense now ...

>>18988078
Humm ... I'm not sure I can agree on the suppressing thing, some people are just that frivolous (not sure it's the good word in English ..). But that may not be the majority I admit.
Also, maybe I tend to see orks as more "normal" than they are, but their relation with the warp as something that bother me and I have difficulties to express it.

>> No.18988198

I have to remain skeptical of this Tau fluff stuff, because it just sounds like it would alter the landscape too drastically to be true. Also, Roboute Guilliman is dead and/or in stasis, so who would have discovered that he was entrusted with the protection of the fish-faced aliens? Calgar, maybe... But how? It just doesn't make any sense.

Changes to the rules seem pretty okay with me so far, except maybe for the random charge lengths. That seems like it has the potential to play merry hell with the strategies of melee heavy armies like Orks or Tyranids, since they can no longer rely on their charge distance being the same every time.

Also, every unit getting a 6+ save against Psychic Powers sounds a little strange, but is also easily justified (in my mind, anyway) as their own meager mental fortitude having a chance to fight back against the psychic assault. Regardless, it's a 6+ save, so I doubt it will really have any lasting impact anyway.

Purchasing fortifications sounds cool. I'm into that.

I like random battlefield effects for casual play, but I can easily see that rule being ignored for the purposes of tournament level stuff.

I'm not sure what it refers to as far as "pre-measuring." Is that just saying that we can measure out our shots before declaring which unit is shooting at which target? Because I'm not sure how I feel about that.

>> No.18988217

>>18988146
>Also, maybe I tend to see orks as more "normal" than they are, but their relation with the warp as something that bother me and I have difficulties to express it.

Yeah, Orks are kinda something that can only be born from science fiction, a theoretically perfect race. All of our problems of morality and emotions are non-existent to them. As a species they know exactly what they want and go for it with everything they have, and their entire culture is designed to support that way of life.

>> No.18988231

>>18988198

Roboute was active for quite some time before the Heresy, and was big on codifying his plans. The Ultras could find that stuff in some archive.

If it was the Lion who had been entrusted with knowledge it would make sense that he'd take it with him rather than trust the plans to anyone. But Roboute was a guy who wanted everything to run smoothly with or without his presence.

>> No.18988271

>>18988231

I guess you're right... Still doesn't sit well with me, though. This is a drastic change to the setting, as far as I'm concerned. In a universe that is supposed to be strangled on all sides by incessant war, it just doesn't make sense for two previously opposed sides to suddenly team up. Also, wouldn't this new alliance give them a significant advantage over any other individual faction? I mean... It would have to, right?

Ugh, I hope this bit of fluff isn't true. It just doesn't make any SENSE.

>> No.18988287

>>18988271

AND ANOTHER THING, isn't the collective Tau mentality essentially "join the Greater Good or die"? Because I can't see the Imperium suddenly feeling like their hundreds of thousands of years of dogma are irrelevant and that this Greater Good thing is a real nifty idea.

>> No.18988338

>>18988287

It says some of Space Marines are keeping Tau from dying. Not that the Space Marines are joining the Tau, and the wider imperium doesn't even know about Emperor's plans.

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>>18988287
....The Tau mentality is ''Join the Greater Good or get out of the way'' ''Stand against the growth of the Greater Good and you will be taken care off in whatever means is possible''.

The Tau Empire has allies and trade partners who are not affiliated with their Empire. You do not see the Tau forcing them to join their Empire against their will.

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As a Tau player, this is BS. I will not abide by this should it turn out not to be a cleverly contrived troll (Just As Planned).

I'm also surprised that the term "weeaboo" hasn't been used yet on a Tau topic.

>> No.18988419

>>18986770
>CHAPTER MASTER-SAMAAAAA!
>YUKIMURAAAAAA!
>CHAPTER MASTER-SAMAAAA!
>YUKIMURAAAAAA!

>Put your bolters on!

>> No.18988423

>>18988365
If you're really a Tau fan then tell us what do you think of TIDF?

Do you support him?

>> No.18988449

>>18988423
Yes, his mission is just and pure.

>> No.18988455

>>18988423
TIDF is a hilarious parody of blatant fanboyism and is a valuable member of the community. I don't care if he is a troll or not. He's fantastic.

>> No.18988487

>>18988419
Sengoku 40k? I'd watch it.
Also, this new fluff is bullshit. Rules aren't that hot either, most of this crap got removed during the switch from 2nd to 3rd for a reason.

>> No.18988524

>>18988487
I just imagined a 40k version of Masamune Date. A Space Marine (Ultramarine?) on a bike which has horse bits attached to it so it looks cooler.

>> No.18988602

>>18988524
Remember, this is 40k, so there is probably a whole horse bolted to the side of his bike. Or riding in his sidecar.

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>Psychic power nerfs
>Buffs to shooty armies
>Random charge lengths
>Pre-measuring
>Etc, etc
>Buttfucked jellymad Jim E. Rustle Tyranids
>Shootyhammer 40K

Well I guess that makes it that much easier to decide on my army. Negrons it is!

>> No.18988922

>>18988691
Don't forget that any three glacing hits will destroy a vehicle. Gauss ahoy.

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>>18988922
Pardon me?
Thats hopefully with limitations on, I've yet to see say, a land raider do sweet all apart from being a fire magnet, it don't need a nerf of that magnitude.

>> No.18990946

>>18990635
It's basically like this: All vehicles have hull points, For example, Rhinos have 3, Land Raiders have 4 and so on. Every time it gets a glacing or penetrating hit that doesn't outright destroy the thing causes it to loose one hull point. Once it has zero hull it's gone.
Yes, it is as retarded as it sounds. A unit of Necron warriors will, on average, destroy a LR in one turn of shooting.

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>>18990946
How is this gonna get past the marine-guard crowd looming heavy in the background and whats got to be the biggest money makers GW has?
Anyone that isn't nids or crons aren't gonna be happy about that.

Good god I just realized how even more butt lovingly bad my sisters are with that.
T

>> No.18991098

>>18991016
I wouldn't put it past GW to nerf vehicles into the oblivion to sell more infantry and MCs after the vehicle-heavy 5th ed. 6th ed is supposedly meant to play with larger armies. Again.

>> No.18991144

>>18991016
It's even worst than that, it will favour low cost vehicles that you can spam over more heavy ones. So razorback over land raider, chimera-based over russ-based and so on.
Like the strict opposite of what we need.
And yes, it will make necron broken as fuck.

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