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So I just saw this at a store for cheap and picked it up.

Anyone ever played this? Any thoughts?

>> No.18458245

It's just the True20 system, but all the flavor stuff is great for a non-specific RomFantasy setting. Played and run, satisfied. Get the companion, should be cheap.

>> No.18458288

>>18458245
What's the companion?

>> No.18458330

>>18458206
I've read of a particularly hilarious account of this in the archive somewhere before (either the old 4chanarcive or suptg; don't remember).

It's apparently a perfectly normal game aside from the people it attracts for the setting. It's a giant stereotypical hambeast wank book from what that thread told me.

It has the stereotypical bad side that apparently doesn't live in racial harmony with equal sex rights and open appreciation of gay couples (if I recall correctly). And there's the good side that is openly perfect for several reasons or another, and I believe ruled by or heavily oriented towards women.

Not totally sure if it's the same game, but damn it looks like it from my memory.

>> No.18458353

>>18458330
From what little I've read, it seems that it's probably right.
Still, I think I can dig it.

>> No.18458604

>>18458330
That's more or less it. If you're not really a fan of Lackey or similar stuff, it might not hold as much appeal. The system is differentiated from D&D just enough to run stories about you and your mildly androgynous lover rescuing your life-bond unicorn from the fiends who want to drink its blood for power.

>> No.18459274

>>18458206
Chug vodka before playing and for the love of all that is holy check who the fuck is DMing it before you go . Also invest in full body covering armor with padlocks on the ass chest and mouth .

>> No.18459670

It's a very feminist-fantasy inspired setting. Considering how many settings exist that are basically just masculine fantasy stuff, it's hardly offensive.

>> No.18459756

>>18459670
Girl-Gor is certainly no more offensive than regular Gor.

holy shit, those people man.

If my choice is playing a leather clad slave-owner whose primary form of amusement is raping his slave he keeps in a cage or getting more slaves for raping, or being a golden haired second son of some noble house whose elder sister's romantic advances against my friend-above-friends both threatens my ascension as a political leader (born out of my military successes as a knights cavalry commander) and inspire notably homoerotic levels of jealousy in me...

honestly, yeah, probably the second.

>> No.18461391

>>18459756
Can't it be both?

>> No.18461419

>>18458330

Nobles are elected and have to travel around solving problems. It's basically like being the peace corp.

There are talking animals.

I would... totally try it.

>> No.18461449

>>18461419
>Nobles are elected

Actually a magical stick declares you a noble after you've doned enough studying.

>> No.18461758
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I played a demo of this at a con last year.
I was basically a magical girl policewoman in fantasytown. One other PC was my smartass lazy talking cat animal companion.

Conceptwise, it was something at the same time original and classic. It really felt like we were characters in a fantasy novel aimed at girls age 12-16. Which was weird, but a good kind of weird. A "there aren't many games that do this" feeling of something fresh and new without being too much "out there".

Systemwise, I have an immense loathing for the D&D 3.x d20 OGL stuff, but Blue Rose uses True20, which is moe tolerable to me, so in the end I managed to play it without flipping my shit, which is an impressive feat in itself.

Overall, I found it a good game, and walked away from the table with the feeling that I had played something good.

Of course, if you're a RAR I NEED TO VALIDATE MY MASCULINITY AND HETEROSEXUALITY EVERY DAY EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY player or a NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE PRETTY OR HAPPY OR HAVE A FUNCTIONING SOCIETY, ALL GRIMDARK ALL THE TIME player, this game is probably not for you.

>> No.18461774

I like how the book is all
>EVERYONE LIVES IN PEACE AND GAY PEOPLE ARE A-OKAY
And then it goes into detail about how every transsexual in the setting uses corrupting magic to turn them into slutty murderer evil things.

Seemed kind of like a disconnect.

>> No.18461793

I totally want to play this game, I just have a problem where as soon as I read "Also, there is this dark Sorcery and it's totally dangerous and corrupting" I think I WANT TO PLAY A SORCERER, HE'S TOTALLY MORALLY GRAY AND PERFORMS QUESTIONABLE SPELLS BUT HE'S STILL A GOOD GUY.

What is it about this game that makes me want to play a Super Special Gary Stu?

>> No.18461807

>>18461758
>It really felt like we were characters in a fantasy novel aimed at girls age 12-16.

Since it's based heavily on the Heralds of Valdemar series, this is probably working as intended.

Actually, does Blue Rose have any inspiration-sources OTHER than the Heralds of Valdemar? Surely that isn't the only romantic fantasy out there?

>> No.18461820

>>18461758
>which is moe tolerable to me
>which is moe
>moe
IT HAS INFECTED YOU!

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>>18461774
>transsexual

>> No.18462011
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Blue Rose has some of the most cringe-inducingly shameless setting fluff I've ever, ever fucking seen. It pulls to the left harder then a Double Wasp with WEP engaged, or Jesse Jackson at a union rally.

First we have MAGIC SPARKLE KINGDOM where GAY IS OKAY and the king or queen is picked by a magic, divine sky-stag with infallible judgement (incidentally similar to some good mythical creatures said to advise kings; the hakutaku for example,) and all the nobles of the land are smacked with the DIVINE TRUTHINESS STICK to make sure they're not carnivores, conservatives or other undesirables before they can take office.

But we're not done yet. Ohhohoho FUCK no. There's no capital punishment in our mythical land of swords and sorcery because super-special MIND MAGES can just dive right in and fuck with your neural circuitry until you behave like a good little boy. There's literally nothing in this setting that doesn't fart dandelions and drink unicorn giggles.

Oh, except for the EVIL CONSERVATIVE THEOCRACY right across the border which may as well be labeled "Strawville" because that's where all the strawmen bad guys come from.

Blue Rose is just embarrassingly blatant about this shit. It begs, fucking BEGS to be subverted, which would be as easy as running a game where the visible, classic left-wing utopia conceals the classic left-wing distopia beneath - what with state-sanctioned mages that can rewire your brain if you deviate from accepted social norms (for starters) it wouldn't be hard.

>> No.18462028

>>18462011
Well, to be honest, the Evil Oppressive Theocracy is the second most evil faction in the setting, there's also the Undead Necromancer Empire to the north, which the Evil Oppressive Theocracy fights with a lot.

I actually don't mind Aldis that much, what bothers me more is their WESTERN neighbors. You see, where Aldis borders on the Theocracy to the East, to the West it borders on the Glorious Nomad Matriarchy of Feminist Mongols.

>> No.18462040

>>18462028

>Glorious Nomad Matriarchy of Feminist Mongols.

They could have just named them 'amazons' and saved themselves a lot of time.

Also they might have piqued my interest since amazons are my whale of a wigger of a fetish.

>> No.18462041
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Our DM has a practice, which he calls "The Palinka Effect."

Basically, he takes a utopian setting--whatever it is, it doesn't matter--and edits it so that it somehow shares a land border with Yugoslavia, adjusted for the time period.

He then runs through a century of history, treating that location as though it were a historic part of the Balkans. When he is done with that century, he presents the setting to us.

It is usually worth playing in. We applied this to Aldis, the kingdom of blue rose that receives all the attention (personally, I think Lar'tya would be cooler but whatever) and ended up with something too funny -not- to play.

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>>18462011


You know, the talking animals and happy sweet fluffy stuff I don't mind. Hell, I don't even mind the gaytacular left-wing homogasm - we've got RPGs for fucking androids, so why not this? What pisses me off is that Blue Rose is hideously facile. Nobody has to fight or work for what they have, this magical happyland is just handed to them by a holy ten-pointer and hey fucking presto.

I mean, lets just reverse this for a second. Imagine a game called Black Rose with a kingdom ruled by a man chosen by popular vote; except only business owners can vote because all business owners are magnificent innovative world-building captains of industry. Those who disagree with said Business Owners are told that if they don't like it here they can scram, and given a free ticket to the nearby kingdom of Soviet Mordor. The borders of our magnificent magic land are guarded by the EAGLE GUARD, all big burly Captain AMERICA! heroes who dual-wield axes and ride giant bald eagles into combat, and yes, the eagles talk, usually to say things like COMMUNISM IS A DISEASE in deep echoing voices much like Liberty Prime.

Now imagine this isn't a parody, and is being played by people who take it *entirely seriously.*

It doesn't matter *which* extreme end of the spectrum you go flying off: either way, you're still way, way off the fucking reservation.

>> No.18462054

>>18462040
They're not really amazons, though, because they're a steppe-dwelling, horse-riding people.

>> No.18462063

>>18462046
I would play in this setting.

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>>18462054

You are now aware that the strongest historical evidence vis a vis Amazons suggest they were *exactly* that. Shit, they've even found traditional burial mounds with female warriors buried with fuckoff-huge bows and arrows and shit, suggesting such a culture of female shit-slayers did indeed exist upon the steppes.

>> No.18462069

>>18462041
Interesting. Why the Balkans? Surely putting it in the heart of Africa would be crueler?

>> No.18462072

>>18462046
I actually had an idea for Red Rose.

The communist revolution was inevitable in the presence of disaffected workers and their magical animal companions.

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>>18462063

I know, right? Just for the eagles.

And Soviet Mordor. I want to use that name in a game, so bad.

>> No.18462079

>>18462066
I am now aware.

>> No.18462081

>>18462041
Tell more. PLEASE.

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>>18462066

Aye, the Sythians were their name I believe. According to Evidence/legends, they would burn a breast off so that it wouldn't catch on their bowstrings.

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>>18462041
>>18462041
>He then runs through a century of history, treating that location as though it were a historic part of the Balkans. When he is done with that century, he presents the setting to us.

>It is usually worth playing in. We applied this to Aldis, the kingdom of blue rose that receives all the attention (personally, I think Lar'tya would be cooler but whatever) and ended up with something too funny -not- to play.

That... is fucking magnificent. I mean, there's deconstructing a setting, and then there's... that. That's putting it through a machine, a grinder made of dark steel, with gnashing teeth of cold, hard reality. Your GM is amazing.

>>18462072
>The communist revolution was inevitable in the presence of disaffected workers and their magical animal companions.

Oh Jesus. That's golden. What would Lenin's animal companion be? Trotsky? Stalin? You could get some mileage out of this.

>> No.18462096

Was just looking over this last night after years, OP. I'd love to play it some day and I never have.

It's just such a waste that they only sold it through the FLGS circuit. If they'd marketed it in regular bookstores where non-gamer chicks who are into fantasy stuff actually go, it might have really gone somewhere, but the IP seems to be dead in the water.

>> No.18462099

>>18462092
I always hate that myth because it usually brings in a few depressingly stupid people who think women can't shoot bows without doing something like that (at worst for really large bows, a binding wrap may be necessary).

>> No.18462101

>>18462069
Too direct. Africa is merely a violent shithole. This way, the country slowly becomes Yugoslavia. It's subversive.

>> No.18462108

>>18462046

>What pisses me off is that Blue Rose is hideously facile. Nobody has to fight or work for what they have, this magical happyland is just handed to them by a holy ten-pointer and hey fucking presto.

It does strike me as very Roddenberrian in that regard. That's something you're either going to like or hate. It's utopian at heart, which is rare in gaming. That makes it quite interesting and novel, but at the same time makes it hard to make adventures stick. With the right GM I do think this could be a blast.

>> No.18462109

>>18462101
Is it ALWAYS Yugoslavia, or does he draw on actual Baltic history for stuff that's set in typical medieval fantasyland?

>> No.18462113

>>18462099
It's particularly weird since we can empirically observe women shooting bows today, and they seem to be able to do it without cutting off their breasts.

>> No.18462115

>>18462108
Gotta agree there, even though I never really liked Blue Rose's specific take on it.

>> No.18462121

>>18462092

Yeah, the second half is supposed to be just legend though. There is no evidence, and honestly the idea is a bit silly considering how easy it is to bind breasts in the first place.

>> No.18462125

>>18462099

Yeah, that does suck. Personally, I respect the myth for it's bad-ass quality (I mean, come on, Burning a part of yourself off just to be allegedly better at fighting?) but I know too many female Archers to respect it as a historical thesis.

I think the reasoning in the legend was that firing from horseback requires a certain pose, but I wasn't really paying attention

>> No.18462138

For my part, I no doubt would play the shit out of any setting hilarious enough to have Soviet Mordor in it. Bonus points if it was NOT originally intended to be a parody (because that's how I'd inevitably treat it).

>> No.18462144

>>18462108
>With the right GM I do think this could be a blast.

No argument there. Of course, I've always wanted to play one of the grimderp death paladins and annoy the other players by constantly having hard to refute, but simultaneously horrifying arguments for everything I do.

My motives are not pure. I am a bad, bad man.

>> No.18462153

>>18462144
Doesn't work with the intended audience of this game. They skip trying a logical refutation and instead present an argument of sword to face. It's basically the same as Sword of Truth and Eragon, really.

>> No.18462156

>>18462138

You guys should just play Red Star then.

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>>18462153
>They skip trying a logical refutation and instead present an argument of sword to face. It's basically the same as Sword of Truth and Eragon, really.

God dammit, now I really, really want to do this. It'd be like stabbing guppies in a toilet bowl with a three-pronged fork. "OH LOOK," roars my evil death paladin as he defends himself, "ENLIGHTENMENT AND TOLERANCE IN ACTION! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING OPPRESSED BY THE SYSTEM!"

I could troll hambeasts. I could troll them to death.

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>>18462165
They ultimately learn nothing by their own choice, but at least you satisfy yourself. And really, that's about all you can hope for with this stuff.

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>>18462170

Indeed. Now if I could just get the moonwalk down right for my inevitable hasty -

- ah. Ah, that's it. A few skill ranks in Perform: Dance. So me and my character can exunt stage right, pursued by a (ham)bear, together. Glorious.

>> No.18462173

That reminds me of a campaign I've been meaning to flesh out for the longest time.

Basically, it's Blue Rose + the Culture. You see, while Aldis is an awesome place to live, the majority of humanity is still stuck in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, starving and dying of the plague because they think basic hygiene is witchcraft while their inbred kings spend their lives like pennies in pointless wars, and so on.

You play the Aldean equivalent of the CIA, and you're sent into these kingdoms to facilitate...regime change. You promote literacy, you install rulers more favorable to the Aldean view of the world, you work for peace and harmony between all nations (with the understanding that sometimes, for the sake of peace and harmony, some motherfucker has got to stop breathing).

>> No.18462178

>>18462165
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

>> No.18462183

>>18462109
Not Baltic, that's the northern sea. The idea is essentially... Well it depends on the setting. The approach must differ depending on the givens of the world.

The most common is that he re-draws the map so that the Balkans are just sort of dropped into the middle of the setting in close proximity to the target. Usually it isn't the whole region, (I.E. Bulgaria is often excluded, because the DM really, really hates Bulgarians.) but Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia are sort of the big mandatory three.

Usually it's a bit of a wrinkle in time to the Serbian Empire before the battle of Kosovo, but with that distinct modern slant in which the whole country is sort of self-aware and fatalistically dystopian. They're always aware that for whatever reason, their task in this world is to ruin everything so that they can leave. Kind of like an evil, larger scale Quantum Leap.

So there's always the same line written in somewhere in the opening text crawl style setting speech, "And then, without warning, the Slavs arrived."

>> No.18462186

>>18462183
Fuck yes, Slavs! We fuck everything up!

>> No.18462193

>>18462183
That said, the Balkans would have totally been the most awesome place on earth if we'd just managed to turn Tito into a Lich.

ALL HAIL THE IMMORTAL MARSHAL!

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>>18462183
This might actually be the case in the real world.

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>>18462193
The Balkans would've turned out alright if you had moved out of the 80s when the 80s ended.

>> No.18462221

>>18462173
>>18462183
So, Cold War in Blue Rose. Show of hands people?

>> No.18462232

>>18462221
I like destroying beautiful things.

>> No.18462245

At least my idea of BL+Culture isn't about destroying Blue Rose. The Kingdom of Aldis is honestly a very good place to live - people live longer, are healthier, and are given more chances to become who they want to be than anywhere else on the planet.

But that doesn't make them unquestionable moral paragons who never have to do anything to get their hands dirty.

Sometimes, you just have to discredit a dead king's heir by planting false rumours about his heritage, and at the same time you produce a miraculous True Heir to the Throne who has obviously been selected by fate, just like in the fairy tales everyone knows, because he has an appropriately shaped birthmark (that you tattooed on him last week).

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>>18462011
>First we have MAGIC SPARKLE KINGDOM where GAY IS OKAY and the king or queen is picked by a magic, divine sky-stag with infallible judgement (incidentally similar to some good mythical creatures said to advise kings; the hakutaku for example,)

You know... the system basically works like Twelve Kingdoms, though that one does not feature Brainwashing Mages.

So scratch them, scratch the stupid Evil Empires and we have the best system to play in a great setting.

>to the West it borders on the Glorious Nomad Matriarchy of Feminist Mongols.

Reminds me that the Mongols... very much cared more about class than about gender. To the point where they had a queen reconquer and pacify like half of their Empire and swore on King and Queen before court. So yeah...

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>>18462173
>You play the Aldean equivalent of the CIA, and you're sent into these kingdoms to facilitate...regime change. You promote literacy, you install rulers more favorable to the Aldean view of the world, you work for peace and harmony between all nations (with the understanding that sometimes, for the sake of peace and harmony, some motherfucker has got to stop breathing).

The absolute fucking beauty of this is, this is exactly the kind of thing people who play Blue Rose fucking abhor, but when it's in defense of their own pet philosophies their anti-violence stance gets thrown out the window in two ticks, as >>18462153 pointed out, complete with a classic and a contemporary example of such genre works.

To do it right you'd have to be subtle. Don't outright state "LOL U CIA GUN REGIME CHANGE," approach them just like real-life agents would've been. We need you... to do this simple task... to deliver bibles or whatever to poor starving mud-farmers in Assrapistan. Or dickwolf-repelling collars, or something. But that's just a cover; the bibles contain hand-crossbows to arm an assassin army or some-such - but assassins fighting these massive dickweeds of an oppressive police force, and they need help with this raid to free prisoners and steal food to survive...

So you draw them in. Slowly. And eventually, they realize what they've become - everything they purport to hate. Ah. Ahaha. Aaaahahahahahahahahahahaha.

>>18462183

>So there's always the same line written in somewhere in the opening text crawl style setting speech, "And then, without warning, the Slavs arrived."

Your DM is a horrible, horrible fucking man. I love him forever. Tell him I said that.

>Bulgeria

Can't beat their Makarov's. Everything else... yeah, nah.

>> No.18462268

>>18462183

I'm assuming you guys are from that neck of the woods? Does that work? Fantasy Eastern Europe getting stickytaped onto the setting?

>> No.18462290

>>18462183
Bleh, apologies. Late hour, meant Balkans.

>> No.18462295

>>18462268
There's less of an... Industry standard of Eastern Europe than there is of Western Europe. Particularly England. Fantasy England is like 80% of popular fantasy.

Fantasy Yugoslavia would be chaos, because there's no real precedent for it, and the writers' bias would inevitable leak through, creating huge schisms in the fanbase as people interpret every word as ethnically motivated stabs at their culture. The end result would be a seething mass of really polarized fans strangling each other to death in the streets.

Which is to say, it would be exactly like the real Yugoslavia.

>> No.18462303

>>18462295

Man, it sounds so interesting.

As someone who sounds like they know a bit, what the fuck is going on over there? Why is there fighting? Some post-soviet 'which country do we want to be a part of?' thingy?

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>>18462232

I hear that. I've got a really, really bad habit of doing that. I look at something sad, and sweet, and emotive, and I say "what this needs is a fucking Panzer division."

And then I sit down and I do it.

The only thing amazing about it so far is how consistently it fails to troll anybody. People end up loving it. Sniper blowing away a Death Eater? Yup. Piston-engined fighter planes in Haibaine Renmei? Yup. I actually typed the words "Youma in the open, fire for effect!" and nobody punched me for it.

At this point I'm just pushing the envelope as hard as possible to see just how much I can get away with.

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>>18462183
>So there's always the same line written in somewhere in the opening text crawl style setting speech, "And then, without warning, the Slavs arrived."

I have to give this a try sometime. HAVE to.

>> No.18462315

Goddamnit, I love Stephanie Pui-Mun Law.
I know sweet art doesn't make a good game, but I now want to own that book because of its cover.

>> No.18462320

>>18462259
Although in the Twelve Kingdoms, nothing really keeps the rulers in line. If they go all grimderp, so be it, their kingdom just starts suffering due to him/her not ruling according to the dictates of the heavens. The whole thing afaik is leaning on chinese myths, rather than being a happy sparkle kingdom.

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>>18462295
>Which is to say, it would be exactly like the real Yugoslavia.

This thread, man.

This fucking thread.

>> No.18462338

Just a quick history note: Historically, Bosnia did the best out of those three countries in the Middle Ages. Serbia and Croatia both got their shit kicked in by the Ottoman Empire. No wonder they hate Muslims so much there.

>> No.18462342

>>18462264
"Why is the fighting in former Yugoslavia" is a question that is frankly too big to answer in this medium.

Basically, it's a clusterfuck of nationalism and religion. The area was, for the longest time, a battlefield between the Ottomans and the Austro-Hungarian empire, with both sides using local proxies to murder the other side's local proxies. You have Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Muslims all put together (no protestants, though - we set them all on fire).

You have a mountainious region where it was always ridiculously easy to evade the authorities by going into the hills, and where the local peasantry traditionally supplemented their income by either smuggling or simple banditry.

And so on.

Tl;dr - any conceivable historical reason for fighting you can think of? Yugoslavia* has it.

*Yugoslavia does not exist. There was a country named Yugoslavia, and it was fucking awesome, but it fell apart in the early 90's, into a...what, 3 or 4 way civil war?

Luckly for us, Slovenia got the fuck out in time. The next guys in like, the Croats, weren't so lucky.

>> No.18462351

>>18462046
The setting is designed to showcase how wonderful the creators' ideas are. I don't think that kind of setting is necessarily bad, but they will always annoy people who don't agree with those beliefs, since they know or think they know flaws in the example the setting provides. Most settings are like this, but lack much politics, which makes them find with most people, especially centrists.

If a world that shows off the author's beliefs is to work, the setting has to steer clear of the big flaws >>18462011 mentions, like not being an implied dystopia underneath. Then it would be believable and work as a game setting.

>> No.18462356

Yugoslavia was a patchwork of nations and ethnicities only held together by a dictator. When the Soviet system fell, shit pretty much started unravelling towards the inevitable.

>> No.18462359

So what I've taken away from this thread:

THE BALKANS - it needs to be the setting more often.

>> No.18462362

>>18462303
Oh Jesus. That's nigh impossible to explain without giving you one part out of a twelve part story, but I'll give you the short version.

Basically Yugoslavia is actually like eight different countries. Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, and then to a more dubious extent Macedonia. These countries have strong South-Slavic ethnic ties, and a history of having the shit beaten out of them by the Turks, the Austrians, Greeks, and everyone else nearby.

Yugoslavia is the idea that all of these should be one state, so that they can resist outsiders and be free. The problem is that because each state was itself a client of a larger power at some point, they all "smell" like that power to the others, so they don't trust each other at all. There are also religious concerns--particularly that the Serbs are Orthodox and the Croats are Catholic. The Bosnians are mostly Muslims, but that's actually less of a problem than the first part.

As a result, Yugoslavia only lasted as long as the figurehead who united it lived. Tito, when he died, the Croats immediately wanted to jump ship, and everyone else (except the Serbs) along with them. The Serbs were prepared to kill any number of people to keep Yugoslavia from breaking up, but that didn't go as planned, so now the region is fragmented and volatile.

The real reason this is a problem is that a lot of these people actually physically live in the other countries. There have been as many Serbs in Bosnia as there are Bosnians at times. As a result, each side feels it has a legitimate claim to everyone else's land.

>> No.18462363

>>18462342
The next guys in LINE, not in like.

>> No.18462375

>>18462338
Hey, the Serbs (and the Croats obviously, bffs at the time) had an empire that was rivaling the waning Byzantines, and preparing to absorb them right at its height.

This went wrong because Stephan Uros had a weak fucking son. Bosnia only gets credit for doing well because they had that one guy who became Sultan. Blind fucking luck, that.

>> No.18462388

So if we're doing Fantasy Balkans, is Fantasy Tupac still alive in Fantasy Serbia working his real strong wizard fast rap magic?

>> No.18462390

>>18462342
>>18462362

Ah, that makes more sense. Reminds me of sub-saharan africa. It's a meeting point of religion and culture, so naturally there's perpetual war.

>> No.18462392

>>18462356
Just one nitpick - Yugoslavia and the Soviet system have next to nothing to do with each other. Yugoslavia was not a part of the East Bloc. Yugoslavia didn't answer to the USSR, but was, in point of fact, an independent socialist country, and led the Unaligned, who wanted to be like the third global power next to america's West and russia's East.

>> No.18462398

>>18462388
He made the Album of Serbia. We have gold now, because of Tupac.
I don't know what he's up to these days, though.

>> No.18462404

>>18462390
Not just a meeting point of religion and culture, but a meeting point of religion, culture and empires.

>> No.18462430

>>18462375
Nevertheless, still a good reason to hate any massive imperial states just on your doorstep, which leads to very interesting plot potential for an experiment of this nature.

>> No.18462436

>>18462320
>Although in the Twelve Kingdoms, nothing really keeps the rulers in line.

At some point, somebody will usually step up and stabs the fuck out of the ruler. It's also a general attitude that those that gained immortality through that magical contract are supposed to take an interest in keeping the kingdom going and the Kirin in good health as there's the fact that the Kirin will catch the holy disease if he's being too much of a dick when it's uncalled for and die, voiding the ruler's contract with the heavens.

But yeah, in general the whole point of having the ruler's to have somebody who can represent and excert the force required to get a kingdom anywhere. They are hired to be dickish and forceful and to get people into line.

>> No.18462439

>>18462390
Now that we've been all educational about the Balkans, could you tell us something about sub-saharan Africa? I have to admit I know absolutely fuck-all about it.

>> No.18462452

>>18462390
Yeah. And even then, it wouldn't be so bad, because we know that these people can work together...
The real heart of the problem is that the Balkans have historically been the gateway to Europe, and as such has never had time to develop any sort of cultural/ethnic homogeny even within its own very narrow group of South Slavic peoples.

Basically, the wounds have been reopened so many times that they've just stopped closing, and now the machine is broken and can only break itself more.

Bismark, the German military genius, called World War 1 twenty years in advance, and his stipulation was that it'd probably start from something stupid in the Balkans. Surprise, he was correct.

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>>18462439
Ah, oh that's easy.
Ok, so once upon a time, Belgium decided that it wanted to be a big boy too...

>> No.18462469

>>18462459
Wait, I thought Belgium was like an administrative region of France.

>> No.18462481

>>18462469
See, everybody else thought that too, so Belgium decided it had to be the hard man. And how better to be the hard man than murder a bunch of savages in the darkest heart of Africa?

>> No.18462482

>>18462439

It's large and all colonial powers followed a policy of Divide et impera, in which they created pretty random ethincities and lifted them above the others within the colonial system in order to have folks who would shoot all the other folks.

Other colonial nations were basically some dude hiring a bunch of locals and shooting other locals until he could write home about how he had conquered the region. Then Parliament would all be like: "Holy shit, Colonies! We must safeguard them or we will fall behind the other great european powers!" and they sent him a lot of money. It's basically like all the shady business that happened during the recent invasion of Iraq, only on a much larger scale.

>> No.18462504

>>18462469
No, that's what Belgium *should* be. Instead, it's a small country, consisting of historic Wallonia fused at the hip with historic Flanders. If anyone so much as breathes a syllable regarding Brussels, they will be shot.

Anyway, Belgium decided it wanted in on the colonization game, and fucked everything up forever in the Congo.

>> No.18462525

>>18462459

And then the english decided that slavery was terrible because it ennabled the Belgians to produce the very same products they were trying to sell much cheaper.

So they sank funds into already existing anti-slavery campaigns to stop them.

True story.

>>18462452
>The real heart of the problem is that the Balkans have historically been the gateway to Europe, and as such has never had time to develop any sort of cultural/ethnic homogeny even within its own very narrow group of South Slavic peoples.

Meh, Tyrole managed to do that, and they've been the place everyone had to pass through ever since the stone age. Same goes for Hungaria, which is sitting pretty much at the end of every hun's invasion corridor.

>> No.18462527

I just realized that the most educational thing I've done today was participate in a Blue Rose thread.

>> No.18462553

>>18462439
There were an array of small kingdoms and tribal powers throughout sub-saharan Africa; for most of history, European colonialism in the region was inhibited by the fact that any European tended to die horribly of some awful disease in the region, limiting them to the coast. This only really stopped happening around the turn of the 19th century.

After that, there was a mix of colonial structures; a lot of conquest was undertaken in the old manner; backing one tribe against the others, then reminding that tribe who was in charge, but there was direct conquest and administration as well.

>> No.18462572

>>18462525
There are ups and downs to it. The Mongols totally ate shit when they tried to invade Croatia, which is more than you can say about pretty much anywhere else in the world.
I think the Serbs outboxed some tatars themselves, which is again very impressive for a pissant kingdom in the Balkans.

My guess is that the lack of cultural harmony is a defense mechanism to make them harder to swallow. Like a much more static version of the Jews.

>> No.18462602

There's also the fact that sub saharan africa tends to form a bit of a line between Christians and Muslim dominated areas. And the Muslims are far from peaceful in their proleteriatising.

>> No.18462617

>I just realized that the most educational thing I've done today was participate in a Blue Rose thread.

okWithThis.jpg

>> No.18462632

>>18462572

Didn't stop the Romans, Austrians, the Italians or the Ottomans.

And it's pretty retard to compare the situation of Jews in shitholes like Russia and Poland to pre-WW2 Germany, Italy or France. They weren't a united people at all. Still aren't in spite of what the Israeli Gouvernment's trying to make everyone believe. They're still divided along ethnic and national borders, with Jews from Poland and Russia being very much overrepresented in formulating the nation's general policy and Jews from Asia getting the short end of the stick. Plus all those religious extremists vs the liberal, leftists middle-european Jews.

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>>18462046

We should create this setting; I would play it.

"GARworld"....what an awesome title!

>> No.18462661

>>18462632
You misunderstand. The point is that the Balkans have been repeatedly devoured by larger powers, but have proven resistant to assimilation in ways that can be paralleled by the Hebrews. It's a convenient historical comparison.

I'm certainly not comparing them to the Polish Jews or whatever, but rather to old school Judea, under Roman rule. I understand that depending on which way you look at it that isn't a kind comparison, but I didn't mean it that way.

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>>18462482
>It's basically like all the shady business that happened during the recent invasion of Iraq, only on a much larger scale.

It's twice as funny because Iraq is a state that was created... as a colonial possession. So first it was colonial tactics employed to make it part of glorious brittania! and now the same tactics are employed to make it NOT part of glorious anybody. Anti-colonial-colonialism.

Especially hilarious because the Brits never were really good at extracting resources from said state, which is why they were like "lol whatever" towards it after WWII. And now they've got FREEDOM! folks who literally drove their tanks up to their fucking refineries, leaned out of the hatches and handed them cash to fill 'er up while they were invading the fucking place. This is a real thing, that happened. Even under Saddam's reign the "Oil For Food" program was thoroughly corrupted so it became "oil for cash," which is, yanno, how it works everywhere else, all the time.

Iraqis must be confused as fuck. They've got a general feeling that somebody should be exploiting their land for natural resources, but nobody ever seems to get around to it.

>> No.18462823

>>18462687
Except that Iraq was a mandate, not a colony. Britain looked after it because it had no capable government itself, not because conspiracy for oil.

Besides, until the Iranians stole oil they'd sold to British companies Britain didn't need another source.

>> No.18462959

>>18462687
Reminds me of Afghanistan, which I'm pretty sure is also only a thing because the British drew random lines on a map. And now invading it is the empire's equivalent of jumping the shark.

>> No.18462980

There's something I always find inherently hilarious about the Balkans. I'm sure that's very wrong of me.

>> No.18463050

>>18462980

Slavs, religion, improvised weapons, and ethnic cleansing. Perfect for dark humour.

>> No.18463085

>>18462823
>Besides, until the Iranians stole oil they'd sold to British companies Britain didn't need another source.
It was kind of sold to us by a dictator in the first place, under completely unreasonable terms.

>> No.18463255

>>18462980
It's the punchline to all of European history.

>> No.18463418

>>18463085
>It was kind of sold to us by a dictator in the first place, under completely unreasonable terms.

Middle Eastern dictators selling oil under completely unreasonable terms?

Its funny how, no matter how far back you go in history, some shit just never changes.

>> No.18463474

>>18462066
Add in the fact that their descendants are actual goddamn mongolians...

>> No.18463694

To think that one of the reasons I liked Blue Rose was that it wasn't fucking Warhammer 40k.

Is Wh40k THE ONLY THING /tg/ can do? Really?

You used to be creative, /tg/.

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>>18462041
>>18462183
Capped.

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>>18463694

This.

>ITT: Utopian fantasy sucks, needs more deconstruction. Also this is the fault of t3h LIBERALS

Pretty weak you guys.

>> No.18463839

>>18463771
Shut up, this is now a Balkan thread.

Somewhat related:

Serb, owner of the motel I was stopping in for the night: "Would you like a cigarette"?

Me: "No, thanks. Smoking kills."

Serb: "Maybe it kills Croats and Slovenes. But not Serbs. Serbs are tough."

>> No.18463861
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18463861

Eh, if a setting's too grim, we let love bloom there. If a setting's too happy, we drop it in the Balkans.

>Play Blue Rose
>As a necromancer from necromancer-land
>Who just wants to get along with everyone and not be persecuted for his beliefs
>And goes to funerals
>Asking, "why's everyone so down?"
>"I can have this dude on his feet in ten minutes. With SUPERPOWERS."
>And makes friends with the other PCs
>and shares his culture with them
>"Thanks for coming, guys! Today my people celebrate the Feast of Flesh, in glorious remembrance of the day our leader rose as a lich, and raised his fallen comrades as an army of ghouls to devour the elven oppressors!"
>"Of course that's real elf meat. This is an Orthodox house. Don't fill up now, there's pie!"

>> No.18463865

>>18462823
Weren't the mandates basically glorified colonies?

>> No.18463894
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>>18462041

I am intensely interested in what happened here.

>> No.18463922

>>18463861
>If a setting's too grim, we let love bloom there. If a setting's too happy, we drop it in the Balkans.

This right fucking here is what /tg/ is all about.

>Tearsofmanlyjoy.jpg

>> No.18463976

>>18463861
So /tg/ seeks...balance in all things? An equilibrium of sorts?

>> No.18464013

>>18462183
I DO NOT BLAME THIS MAN.

>> No.18464045

Blue Rose is D&D3E for gays, furries and feminists.

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>>18463771

Yeah. Yeah, I admit, ya got me. Fuck, my blog is even named "barbarian American cowboy."

Of course, since this is /tg/ I can't make fun of one side without reflexively making fun of the other (in this case, myself) just to keep the universe balanced.

Hence: >>18462046

EAGLE GUARD STRONG

>> No.18464218

>>18463976

"Troll-liberium" might be more accurate. To each, his allotted troll. Give unto the trolls what is the trolls, give unto Moot what is Moots. Etc.

>> No.18464227

>>18464045
so it's 3E?

>> No.18464233

>>18464218
Ah, so equal-opportunity subversion. If there is something we can fuck around with, then we are contractually obliged to fuck around with it.

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>>18464227

Pic related, my face. am very amuse

>>18464233

Isn't it fun?

>> No.18464270

>>18464249
It's the only way to live.

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>>18462041
>>18462093
>>18462183
>>18462186
CAMPAIGN STORIES. NOW.

>> No.18464551

>>18462041
>>18462183
why not the entire area?

It's full of chuckle fucks.

Romanians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Hungarians. Lets not forget those natzi mouthbreathers,
and of course the lovely people of the former Yugoslavia.

>> No.18465264

>>18463085
So that justifies going back on a deal? Because one of the participants had the same kind of government every single state just a couple of hundred years ago had, and because now one party considers the signed contract "unreasonable"?

>>18463865
To some extent, but there were responcibilities associated with them too.

>> No.18466681

>You misunderstand. The point is that the Balkans have been repeatedly devoured by larger powers, but have proven resistant to assimilation in ways that can be paralleled by the Hebrews. It's a convenient historical comparison.

I dunno man, seems more like a fluke to me, seeing how they lucked out and got dhimmi-status under muslim rule and outcast-status in christian lands, which effectively preserved them as a community and defined them politically and philosophically too in the long run. Most of the current jewish self-image's basically made up of whatever catholics told them they are plus the attitudes of their parent nation plus a dash of Zionist Chauvinism.

Same sorta goes for the Balkan, that fell under Ottoman reign, but never suffered much colonization while still being ruled in the usual ottoman fashion (as in being divided along religious and ethnic borders).

And Hebrew history's a pretty complex cycle of the local superpower's political and economical booms and busts that only got an overaching story through a lot of people bullshitting a whole lot with the Old Testament in order to support some regional power's overaching claim.

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>>18465264
>To some extent, but there were responcibilities associated with them too.

>Gas everyone
>Take their Oil

Sure sounds like the Brits were ready to take on White Man's Burden in the region to me.

>> No.18466736

>>18466723

Have you not heard the one about the real reason the sun never set on the british empire?

>> No.18466836

I played this game a while back.

Except we also got d20 Weapons Locker and (badly) converted the damage/weapon prices into usable True20 form, so everyone had guns that worked because magic powder, but didn't penetrate any more than arrows/slings/crossbows and shit.

PKM versus chain mail, lol.

>> No.18467067

Has anybody ever tried out the Frog Princess free module for Blue Rose? How well does it work?

>> No.18467136

BTW, /k/'s got some more Balkan hilarity going on right now:

>>11193130

>> No.18467146

>>18467136
derp. sorry, is long day

>>>11193130

>> No.18467154

>>18467146
Bah, fuckit, you'll find it. *goes back to sleep*

>> No.18467163

>>18466723
That man. Did more. To fuck up the the middle east. Than anyone. Else. Ever.

True story.

>> No.18467177

>>18465264
>So that justifies going back on a deal? Because one of the participants had the same kind of government every single state just a couple of hundred years ago had, and because now one party considers the signed contract "unreasonable"?
Uh, yes? I mean, you're arguing that after deposing a dictator, the people he oppressed should be held responsible for his acts.

>> No.18467209

What, this thread is still alive?

This is why I come to /tg/

>> No.18467227

>>18467177
Only if there's money in it. And only if we can spin it to sound positive. I think thems the rules for history's victors

>> No.18467254

>>18466723
Gassing people who side with Nazi Germany and buying oil and not doing anything when people backtrack on the deal and steal your infrastructure is a burden.

>> No.18467262

>>18467163

Oh, the brits in general were instrumental in giving the Middle East its current shape. The US is basically stomping around on the playground the brits have created... working overtime on the mess they left behind none of the locals wants to correct because enough powerful folks have found a nice, warm spot in the dumpster that the place has become.

>> No.18467289

>>18467177
You're arguing that being elected gives a ruler a right to steal infrastructure and break international law.

Yet the same people who believe that are against any modern intervention by civilised countries into nations that threaten them, and would have been against civilised countries intervening to defend their stolen assets.

>> No.18467310

>>18467262
The Brits saved the Arabs from Ottoman rule. Maybe they were grateful for a time and only turned against Britain when it was unwilling to be complicit in genocide, but I suspect they always saw the West as a convenient tool to establishing their own regimes.

>> No.18467320

>>18467227
>Only if there's money in it. And only if we can spin it to sound positive. I think thems the rules for history's victors
Oh, I'm aware that's how it works out in the real world, it's just when you admit that it's a case of fuck you, I have more tanks you can't really be truly indignant about the Iranians 'stealing' the oil we rightfully bought off their dictator.

>> No.18467384

>>18467289
>You're arguing that being elected gives a ruler a right to steal infrastructure and break international law.
Amazingly, we have rules in law that contracts signed under duress are not valid. If I hold a gun to your head and force you to sell your house to the UK for a pittance, is that okay if I'm the Official Dictator of Wherever and the laws I've written give me every right to do so?

>> No.18467511

>>18462046
>Those who disagree with said Business Owners are told that if they don't like it here they can scram, and given a free ticket to the nearby kingdom of Soviet Mordor.
In Soviet Mordor, Mordor does not simply walk into you. (Okay. That was a lot funnier in my head.)

>> No.18467521

>>18467384
If you hold a gun to British workers' heads and tell them to sell the equipment they built, and that forms their livelihood, to you, the Official Dictator of Wherever, and have passed laws that will give you their stuff anyway, does that make it ok?

Besides, the entire system of international relations is built on the idea of the continuous existence of states. If agreements with states become invalid the moment there's a new government, it would be terrible for Africa and the like, since they would no longer have any credit. The only way to make trade between states work is to hold them to their agreements.

>> No.18467633

>>18467136

>>>/k/11193130

Fixed that for you.

>> No.18467653

>>18466836

We called it Blue Rose Reloaded. Never lasted long, but it was mostly a blast. Don't remember too much, but I do remember PKMs being used.

>> No.18467725

>>18467521
>If you hold a gun to British workers' heads and tell them to sell the equipment they built, and that forms their livelihood, to you, the Official Dictator of Wherever, and have passed laws that will give you their stuff anyway, does that make it ok?
Well that's certainly not a coherent or comparable situation, good job.

In the Iran case, the employment of the British workers was actually guaranteed by the government anyway. The only risk fell on the *company*- which made a high-reward deal with a dictator and expected no risk to their investment.

>If agreements with states become invalid the moment there's a new government, it would be terrible for Africa and the like, since they would no longer have any credit.
So you've proven you don't understand the difference between a government and a system of government. Not too hot on this politics business, are you? If a democratically elected government, representative of the people, makes a commitment then the people are responsible for that commitment. Because they made it- via their representatives. The government may change, but the governmental *system* is a continuous representation of the people's will. Meanwhile, if the governmental system changes from one where the people have no self-determination (dictatorship) to one where they do (democracy) then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the contracts to change, otherwise you end up billing people for the loans the dictator took out to buy the bullets he shot at them.

>> No.18467850

>>18467725
>Well that's certainly not a coherent or comparable situation, good job.
It's the situation you're defending. I agree it's not comparable.

>The only risk fell on the *company*- which made a high-reward deal with a dictator and expected no risk to their investment.
Fraud and theft aren't justified when one party "should have know" the other was morally unreliable.

>So you've proven you don't understand the difference between a government and a system of government.
No, half the new democratically elected leaders in Africa represent constitutional breaks from previous governments (whether that last government was originally democratic, democratic at all time, or a dictatorship from the start). Similarly, half the dictatorships have constitutional continuity from a democratic government.

Implying that there is always a legal break between a democratic government and a dictatorship, in either direction, is false.

>then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the contracts to change, otherwise you end up billing people for the loans the dictator took out to buy the bullets he shot at them.
But then you could never give a slightly undemocratic leader money that is likely to be almost entirely spent on food for the starving, because if he shoots a few people and cancels one election, suddenly the new rules claims the contract is void and unilaterally destroys it.

This would lead to many more people starving than it would save people from dictators, and is not something people in the West or Africa would benefit from.

>> No.18468090

So how about them crazy Slavs, eh?

>> No.18472162

>>18467850
>point out why someone's wrong
>get no reply
I thought /tg/ was debate club!

>> No.18472228

I am laughing so fucking hard right now.

>> No.18472689
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18472689

"So, in this world horses can talk?"

"Not all horses obviously, just the... How the fuck is this said, 'reese? Ryes?' Why can't we ever go to a world that uses the Cyrillic alphabet?"

"Because these people do not know God, and thus would not know how to speak his language?"

"How adroit. Well, call Zastava, tell them we need a quarter million SKSs by tuesday. We'll arm the Jarzoni and let them sort out those sodomites while we deal with the fucking Gypsies."

"Have you noticed that wherever we end up going, the Gyppos seem to get there first? Do you think they're in the same boat as us?"

"If they were in the same boat as us, they'd have stolen the oars already."

"I'll call Arkan."

"Good man."

>> No.18472754

>>18462054
Research what amazons were in Greek mythology and get back to us

>> No.18472788

>>18472689
Calling it now, in Blue Rose the gypsies are inoffensive and don't steal unless the people were mean to them.

>> No.18472948

>>18462572
Citation please

>> No.18473241

>>18472948
You're something like eighteen hours late.

>> No.18473311

> Open thread about little known roleplaying system
> Get central Europe history lesson

Okay then.

>> No.18473336

>>18473311
/tg/, don't need the other boards, etc...

>> No.18473359

>>18472948
He was probably referring to Serbian king Milutin's victory over the Bulgarians and their Mongol allies.

>> No.18473457

>>18472788
>>18462099
Just like niggers and spics huh?

Oh wait, that's racist, to say an entire ethnicity is made of criminals and to refer to them with racial slurs!

But not those god-damned thieving gypsies!

>> No.18473485

>>18473457
What do you mean "just like," the niggers never cut off their fucking tits to facilitate shooting bows. That I'm aware of.

>> No.18473501

>>18473457
I find the insinuation that the gypsies are a race and not a strain to be insulting.

>> No.18473504

>>18473457
>Gypsies
>Amazons

Man what.

>> No.18473531

>>18473359
That historical footnote hardly qualifies his original statement

>> No.18473546

>>18473531
Hey. There were tartars. They were outboxed. It was technically a correct statement.

>> No.18473566

>>18473546
I think it's Tatars. Tartar is a kind of sauce.

>> No.18473583

>>18473566
It's an accepted alternative spelling I think, but Tatar is more correct.

>> No.18473587

>>18473566
>>18473583
Truly this has been an educational journey for all of us.

>> No.18473607

>>18473587
Oh it's not over. Tartar sauce gets its name from its use on steak tartare, which is basically minced up raw beef. THAT dish got its name from the Tatars, from a legend that they tenderized meat by placing it under their saddles during rides.

>> No.18473615
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DIE, THREAD, DIE!

SAGE GOES IN EVERY POOPER!

>> No.18473621

>>18473607
That sounds fucking DELICIOUS.

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>>18473615
No. Not until every Kebab has been removed.

>> No.18474085

Still waitan' on campaign stories. I must know how this turned out.

>> No.18477342

>>18474085
I would like this too.

>> No.18480070

Bumping. I want to see what Slavs do to Blue Rose.

>> No.18482439

How does the system encourage roleplaying and social interaction?

What are the basics of True20?

>> No.18483431

Well it's been over 24 hours, which is as long as people need to retain interest in order for me to actually post stories. So I'll lay it on you.

The game was set after Sovereign Karthakan's war with Kern, and the rise to preeminence of Aldis over its neighbors. Shortly after the war, The Balkan Treyarch (Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia) emerged from the very sea, rising up to fill the Basketh Bay and much of the Western Ocean between Aldis and the Shadow Barrens.

First encounters between Aldis and their new neighbors were not hostile, but were far from positive. Immediately upon arriving, all components of the new country fell upon each other in an orgy of violence, since each believed that, denied their neighbors, they could subjugate the others. The Aldish sent tendrils of adepts and agents into Hrovatia to try and figure out what was going on, but the men and women they sent in were incapable of figuring out who was in charge, which country they had entered, and why everyone was killing each other. Indeed, most of the people they asked did not know themselves.

The Jarzonian encounter was less overt, as they now occupied what used to be the Serbian/Bulgarian border, and the Serbs were just happy not to be neighboring Bulgarians anymore... However, the influx of drugs, guns and organized crime into their country shocked the stoics of Jarzon, and relations were immediately strained.

That strain was nothing next to what materialized when, during a momentary ceasefire, the Slavs realized that their neighbors were all magical Pagans with talking horses.

>> No.18483459

>>18483431
Because I basically have to compile all of this information by talking to my DM, I'm going to be reporting this periodically every few hours/days.

Stay frosty, /tg/.

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>>18483459
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE STORIES

>> No.18484388

>>18462823
And Britain didn't even make the boundaries, they just kept the ones the Turks used before them.

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>>18483431
>That strain was nothing next to what materialized when, during a momentary ceasefire, the Slavs realized that their neighbors were all magical Pagans with talking horses.

>> No.18485388

go on

>> No.18488955

Colonialism really was seen too badly. Everyone blames it for every bad thing that happened at the time, and it gets no credit for anything good.

>> No.18491549

>>18484388
Same with all the mandates, they were just German or whatever colonies that needed a new state to run them.

>> No.18493468

bunp

>> No.18494583

>>18462041
Please tell me the Slovenes are there, too. It's one thing to surround them with people perpetually at war with each other and play out how they are dragged down into the shit. But the icing on the cake is seeing one of those groups up and declare "fuck this shit", secure their borders, and be a pleasant place to live.

>> No.18494666

>>18483459

I need more stories.

Please, please more stories!

>> No.18494763

>>18483431
The situation immediately changed. Everyone reacted differently.

The Croats made overtures to the Aldish in the hopes of maybe securing an ally to back them up in this strange new world. The Aldish were welcoming, and offered to support them as a fully independent kingdom and ally.

Upon christening the alliance with the Blue Rose Scepter, the Sovereign of Aldis realized that every single member of the Croatian government, and at least eighty percent of the crowd observing was Night Aligned, and everyone else Twilight. There was no good way to explain that according to their custom, not one person in the entire crowd would be allowed to serve in government.
Upon hearing rumors that Aldea planned to replace their entire government with homosexual pagans, the celebrations of the new alliance went terribly pear shaped.

Meanwhile, in Serbia, in a desperate attempt to avoid war, the Orthodox patriarchy venture into Jarzon to discuss theology with their new neighbors, hoping to find common ground. The unanimous decision was that the Jarzoni stance on everyone and everything was too soft. The Jarzoni suggested that, given several weeks they could potentially invade Aldea again to prove that they were just as uncompromising and violent as the Serbs, but a local football club invaded Jarzon that same day, and the government had no choice but to follow suit.

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>>18494763
Go on.

>> No.18494932

>>18494915
There's not much to say. That football club is our party. Next session is Saturday, when the real fun begins.

>> No.18494957

>>18494932
Oh goddamn you. I was hoping this was an established game.

Also, since I grew up on The Elenium, whenever I hear 'Blue Rose' I think "Bhelliom."

Have you ever read The Elenium or The Tamuli?

>> No.18495163

>>18494957
You know, I never read much David Eddings, because I was always sifting through his stuff to find David Gemmel's stuff.

Is he any good?

>> No.18495400

>>18495163
REALLY good, so far as I'm concerned.

Read the first book of The Elenium; if you like it, you'll probably like the rest of the series.

The Tamuli is a bit lighter and fluffier, but still good.

>> No.18498331

bunp

>> No.18501819

This has been quite an impressive thread.

>> No.18502117

>>18501819
I fully intend to keep it alive until Saturday.

>> No.18502634

Bumping for more story time

>> No.18503558

Bunp.

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Still waiting.

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>>18461774
>>18461908
Welp,
time to be evil.

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I nominate this thread for being archived. It has been the paragon of /tg/ threads. It began as a discussion for a rarely discussed d20 variant campaign setting, and in turn evolved into a history of the Balkans and how to implement the Balkans in a tabletop RPG.

>> No.18510131

>>18508086


...it already....is?

Seriously, check suptg, it's been there for DAYS~~~

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