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So /tg/ against my better judgement I've decided to start a 2,000 point Minotaurs Space Marine list. I'm going for a mix of fluffy and fun, mostly friendly games, don't really care about tourneys that much. Tell me what you think:

Lord Asterion Moloch-245
Master of the Forge w/Conversion Beamer-120
Tac Squad (missile launcher/combi melta sarge)-100
Tac Squad (missle launcher/combi melta sarge)-100
Rhino (Dedicated Transport, Stormbolter)-45
Rhino( Dedicated Transport, Stormbolter)-45
Dreadnought (Multimelta, Missile Launcher)-115
Dreadnought (multimelta, Missile Launcher)-115
Thunderfire Cannon-100
Thunderfire Cannon-100
Assault Squad (powerfist sarge)-125
Assault Terminators-200
Land Raider Crusader-250
Land Raider Achilles-325

Game plan is to use the Thunderfires to harass infantry, vehicles, rush Rhinos up, pop smoke, deploy gunline. Use the Achilles as mobile cover/BADASSERY, ram the Crusader into their line and assault with Termies (Hammers and Claws), Assault Squad follows Crusader using it as cover and jump over it to back up Terminators. Dreads pop vehicles/infantry. This is my first Army List attempt...how bad did I do?

>> No.17862777
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welp, first, get rid of the rhinos. replace with razorbacks. if you plan of rushing, get a drop pod for the dread, missile launcher isnt going to do too much and the multi is only good in cqb. uhhhhh im too lazy to point out all the other shit.

>> No.17862783

I think the list is one that will do really well or get completely trounced.

>> No.17862795

Really light on model count. A horde army might win just through attrition.

I play guard, I win games against lists like these all the time just by having lots of dudes.

>> No.17862804
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Also, I know Chain Axes are mostly the domain of Chaos Marines...but fluffwise the Minotaurs are part of the Cursed Founding and have a reputation as "berserkers" so I was thinking about arming my Ass Marines with Chainaxes...because hey...they might have come from left over World Eater Geneseed with a reputation like that

>> No.17862845

>>17862777
So what would you recommend replacing the Dread Missile Launcher with? Bolter? Close Combat Arm? I was thinking about droppodding but I wasn't sure how viable it would be.

>> No.17862852
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>>17862795

I absolutely love guard. and i love you.

>> No.17862895
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>>17862852
Guard bros for life.

>> No.17862906

>>17862845

Well I play both IG and SM, and IMO I do not nor will I ever use dreads. I just dont like them. Years ago i got the AoBR set and sold the dread after a few games. It cannot waltz around on a battlefield. If anything, droppod it in with another full squad of Tactical marines w/ meltaguns. on the dread, keep the multimelta. works best to droppod in and go crazy with melta teams.

>> No.17862974

>on the dread, keep the multimelta. works best to droppod in and go crazy with melta teams.

Agreed, put the Dread CCW on it, with a heavy flamer. Drop pod in, either roast a squad or pop a tank. A AV 12 walker just can't survive plodding across the field, or a round of shooting with anyone with decent AT.

As >>17862895, I usually crap myself when people drop dreads on my gunline, I hate that.

>> No.17863024
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This is now about the IG. Step aside Spess Mehreens.

>HQ
Command Squad - 50
Vox caster - 5
Hvy wep team with autocannon - 10
MoO - 30
Total HQ: 95

>Troops
PCS - 30
Vox Caster - 5

2x IS - 100
1 Vox caster per squad - 10

1 HWS - 60
2x Missile - 20
1x Lascannon - 15
Total: 240

One More Platoon just like the one above except the HWS has one missile, las, and autocannon
Total: 235

PCS - 30
Chimera - 55
Hvy Stub - 10

2x IS - 100
2x Chimeras w/ hvy stubbers - 130

3x HWS - 180
All lascannons - 135
Total: 640

Vet squad - 70
grenadier doctrine - 30
Plasma pistol for sergeant - 10
2x meltagun - 20
1x Hvy flamer - 20
Chimera w/ stubber - 65
Total: 215

One more vet squad exactly the same except no plasma pistol
Total: 205

>Fast Attack
2x Scout Sentinels - 70
2x Autocannons - 10
Smoke launchers - 10
Total: 90

One more squad exactly the same
Total: 90

>Heavy Support
2x Hydra Flak Tanks - 150
Total: 150

One more battery exactly the same
Total: 150

Lemon Russ Battle Squad x2 LRBT - 300
2x hull las - 30
2x hvy bolter sponson - 40
2x hvy stubbah - 20

>Grand Total of 2500pts

>> No.17863170

>>17863024
>>17863024
>MoO - 30
MoO's suck, there are better choices.
>Fast Attack
2x Scout Sentinels - 70
2x Autocannons - 10
I'd drop the sponsons or stubbers off the tanks to upgrade to lascannons. Scouting or Outflanking walkers can get great side shots on enemy armor, plus the lascannons will up their threat priority, pulling AT fire from your real game changers, the tanks. That said, more shots are always better with BS3.

>1 HWS - 60
>2x Missile - 20
>1x Lascannon - 15

Typically, I say all of one or all of the other. That way you don't waste a lascannon shot on infantry, if you go that way.

Are the Infantry Squads not armed with anything other than lasguns?

>> No.17863217

>>17863170
>On autocannons

I love 'em too though, I have a 2 weapon squads kitted with them.

>> No.17863227

>>17863170

No they aren't. i do realize though that if anything, the basic guard in the chimeras need flamers and meltaguns to be menacing to any player out there. the squads on foot however are meant to reach an objective, and go to ground with the order giving a +2 to cover save. Or i put them around my lemons and use them as meat shields. Anyway though, i know the MoO isnt reliable at all, but my opponents tend to freak out about the fact that he can drop a template anywhere. he is more of a fear factor kind of a thing.

>> No.17863265

>>17863227
>Anyway though, i know the MoO isnt reliable at all, but my opponents tend to freak out about the fact that he can drop a template anywhere. he is more of a fear factor kind of a thing.

I like that too.

I'd still take a look at at least a grenade launcher or a flamer for the infantry squads. It's all up to you though.

>> No.17863330

OP here

What if I drop both the Dreads, drop the Achilles for another Crusader full of assault terminators and pick up another Squad of Assault Marines to follow that Land Raider in? I'm trying to keep it fluffy with the whole charging straight into shit.

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>> No.17863362

>>17863330

As i said, dreads just dont do it for me. so imo good choice. but the game isnt all about winning, its about what you like preference-wise. get the models you want and build an army that you will love. o and play test stuff before you actually buy them if your iffy on the models.

>> No.17863371

>>17863330
I like that better.

If you're going for an assault list, you typically need to jam so much stuff in your opponents face that they don't know what to shoot first, and that there is enough redundancy that you can still hit hard enough to win after casualties.

>> No.17863409

>>17863371

Thats why I want the Thunderfires in the list for sure, the Airburst and Ground Shells seem like good cover for a head on Assault, and The Conversion Beamer seems like it would be good for providing cover as well...and Moloch's special rule allows rerolls on other non-Chaos Space Marines...so yeah at my LGS that should come in mega hand.

>> No.17863500

>>17863409
Then that first round of combat should be horrendous.

>> No.17863505
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17863505

Lets discuss the feelings of a guardsman during combat.

>> No.17863589
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17863589

OI DIS THREAD IZ NOW ABOUT DA BOYZ
I GOT DIZ MOB DAT I DONT KNOW IF ITLL WORK
95- BOSS WIT POWER KLAW, TWIN LINKED SHOOTA, AND BOSSPOLE
130- 10X BOYZ, 1X BIG SHOOTA
165-10X BOYZ, 1X BIG SHOOTA, 1X NOB W/ POWER KLAW
45- TRUKK W/ WRECKING BALL
5X LOOTAZ
1X LOOTED WAGON W/ BOOMGUN, AND ARMOR PLATES

>> No.17863627

>>17863505
15 hours?

>> No.17863641
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OI LOOTED WAGUNZ IS DA BEST BAWSS! TEAR UP THE HUMIES ROIGHT GOOD THEY WILL!

>> No.17863672
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>>17863641
AND DEM BLUE SKINNED GITZ, AND DEM SKELLYTON BOYZ

>> No.17863718
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AND ALL DAT DAKKA! WaaaAAAggAAGAGAHHHHHHHH!!!

>> No.17863722

>>17863500
Horrendous for my opponent....right?

Revised list:
Minotaurs Army List (1,995)

Lord Asterion Moloch-245
Master of the Forge (Conversion Beamer)-120
Tac-Squad (Missile Launcher, Combimelta Sarge)-100
Tac-Squad (Missile Launcher, Combimelta Sarge)-100
Razorback-40
Razorback-40
ThunderFire Cannon-100
ThunderFire Cannon-100
Land Raider Crusader-250
Land Raider Crusader-250
Assault Terminator Squad-200
Assault Terminator Squad-200
Assault Squad (Powerfist Sarge)-125
Assault Squad (Powerfist Sarge)-125

Optional(Just want the models, may play, may just build):
Ironclad Dreadnought with Close Combat Arm/Bolter and Seismic Hammer/Melta-135
Drop Pod-35
Ironclad Dreadnought with Close Combat Arm/Bolter and Seismic Hammer/Melta-135
Drop Pod-35
Land Raider Achilles-325

Cover with Thunderfires, Tac Squads, Ram Crusaders in and Assault with Termies, Ass Squads follow Crusaders in for cover then jump in with Termies. Moloch pops his Black Spear shot at something that looks worthwhile then moves up into Combat, Master of the Forge Hangs back behind Razorback cover with the Thunderfires and "snipes" with the Conversion Beamer.

>> No.17863735

Hey, I'm trying to make a 500pts max-cheese force with Slaaneshi CSM. A lash prince is an obvious inclusion, but aside from that I'm not sure what to take. I'm torn between taking regular CSM or Noise Marines, and I'm not sure if I should go with marine spam or maybe take a vehicle or something.

Advice?

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>>17863735

>> No.17863849

>>17863735
Noise marines are pricy, you can't really go max-cheese and take a lot of noise marines.

>> No.17863909
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OI! I GOTS ME A NICE WAAAGH! WIT ALL DA BOYS GOIN' BUT I TINK I NEEDS ME SOME 'EAVIER DAKKA!
WOT SHULD I GET NEXT!

>> No.17863912

>>17863589
REmove the Wrecking Balls, they're garbage. Keep your trukks no more than 40 pts a model. They die to someone sneezing at them, might as well keep them cheap.

Mekboys in Loota mobs are a waste. Go all Lootas, as the Mek just downgrades the firepower of the unit. Mekboys in Burna mobs are alright, provided the Burnas are on a Battlewagon like they should be.

Looted Wagon is very 'meh'... If you just want some template support, go for 2 Kill Kanz with Grotzookas for roughly the same cost. If you have points to spare, go with a whole fucking herd of them.

Warboss should ALWAYS have at least 'Eavy Armor, PK, Bosspole, and Cybork Body. 'Eavy armor is for hand to hand combat, as generic tac marines WILL kill him if he doesn't at least have a 4+ save. Cybork is so he has *something*, nearly all the time.

Lastly, all Trukkmobs should be maxed out in size. Also, if you want to run the speed kult theme, go for more trukk mobs. Generally I'm not a fan of them, but if you use them they should be in groups of 2 (separate mobs), max-strength, with PK Nob, and double-teaming the generic foot troops (not Berzerkers, Genestealers, Scorpions, or Purifiers).

IF you run a footslogging boy unit, make it at least 20 models and shootas are preferred due to versatility and overall greater tactical applications. And you will need at least 3 mobs on foot for them to be remotely effective, preferably around 30 models each.

>> No.17863934
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>>17863909
OI GET LOOTAZ, YA GIT, DEY GOTZ SOME REAL DAKKA, OR SUM FLASH GITZ. WAAAAAAGH!!!

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My friends and I listen to this whilst playing a gentleman's tabletop game of Warhammer Forty-Thousand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqucJYRLbBY

>> No.17864020

>>17863849
Okay, I just thought the sonic weapons would be nice for anti-infantry use.

>>17863848
LOL

>> No.17864057

>>17864020
You could run regular CSM squads and paint them up Slanneshi, so that's not really too much of an issue. You will have a Slannesh list still.

>> No.17864100

>>17863969
Oh, Christ. It's the weird part of youtube.

>> No.17864216

>>17863969

Fuck you.

>> No.17864534

idk the points but i want to run a game, 30 scouts all with bp/ccw fist on sarge riding in land raiders then an assault termie squad in a landraider with a termie chaplain or something just sounds fun

>> No.17864626

Bumping before I go to bed...

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17864663

I despise you.

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