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And the haters actually believe that VVard isn't bringing back 2nd edition.

>> No.17378020

Oh god, are we going back to relatively goofier days? I wish for those days.

>> No.17378029

I was reading the White Dwarf where a studio guy converted that model from other bits.

Nostalgia :D

>> No.17378066

I can buy this? Link?

>> No.17378115

What does VVard have to do with bringing back the 2nd edition? Ridicules AOE rules like Cleansing Flame, this new necron lightning shots or Mind Shackle Scarabs (i know this one is not AOE but still ridicules)

>> No.17378128

>>17378066
It's the next Games Day's exclusive mini.

>> No.17378129

>>17378029

What did he use? I think there's bit's from Calgar...

>> No.17378132

is this on the website to buy?

>> No.17378134

>>17378066
It's a Games Day exclusive.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/12/games-day-model-2012-revealed.html

>> No.17378144

>>17378129
"He" didn't. That's an entirely new model.

>> No.17378155

>>17378115
I understand you may be trolling but most stuff on the left weren't from Warhammer 40k but a higher scale fantasy game and the Dreadnought and the Biker were shitty conversions.
>Implying the ork in the left isn't awesome as well

But the true problem isn't with the minis anon, is in the tone. Older 40k had a tone, a goofy and hilarious tone but a tone nonetheless.

Current 40k is trying to figure out if it wants to make mankind is fucked the game or mankind cannot be defeated grimdark super heroes in the space. It tries to be both and the tone suffers from it.

>> No.17378175

>>17378115
Yeah, mindshackle scarabs are kinda stupid.

"hey, that 200 or more point IC you've got in your squad that just assaulted me? I'm gonna move my destroyer lord into base contact with just him, and watch him beat himself to death."

'snot like you can out shoot them, and if he runs waiths and a destroyer lord straight across the board...

>> No.17378178

>>17378129
the classic conversion?

It had.. an old metal sergeant (for the head/torso), the original captain with power fist.. and something else

I think someone posted the old conversion in the warseer thread

>>17378144
he's talking about a WD from around that time. They showcased a conversion based on the cover art

>> No.17378189

>>17378175
Counter-charge moves, can you do them?
If the mindfuck lord is only in B2B with your IC, he's either very good or you're very bad.

>> No.17378190

>>17378003
IS THAT CORTEZ!? WHY IS HE RED!?

>> No.17378234

>>17378178
decided to dig it up;

>"Original BA Sgt. body, Original UM Sgt. Power Fist, Pointy Bolter Captain bolter arm, and the legs of one of the original metal death company guys."

>>17378190
he's from before Cortez existed.

Also, Cortez has a bolt pistol, not a bolter

>> No.17378256

Sup.

>> No.17378391

>>17378129

Calgar's head i think, a Marine Sarge for the Power fist

>> No.17378426

Ward's an ok writer. His fluff is just a bit goofier than we've come to expect from the modern grimderp fluff.

>> No.17378435

>>17378134

sixty niggers.

The first model i've wanted for a while and it requires a ticket for that shitfest.

How much is a Games Day ticket these days? It'll still probably work out cheaper than buying it off eBay later.

>> No.17378473

>>17378435
>How much is a Games Day ticket these days?
It costs your dignity

>> No.17378495

>>17378426
The goofy I don't mind. Its when he tries to throw a grimderp bone to the grindarkians that annoys me. I can easily forgive everything he's written if he hadn't written that passage in the GK codex about the most pure and incorruptible warriors in the galaxy performing a ritual of Khorne to resist daemonic corruption.

>> No.17378501

>>17378473

I got into a fight the last time I was there, if you can call a fight shoving a trench-coated 350lb monster into a heap on the floor for knocking my mate's kid over.

>> No.17378514

>>17378501

>Shoving over a 350lb man

You must be in pretty decent shape, assuming he had a reasonably low centre of gravity.

>> No.17378519

>>17378495
I think that was just so goofy it was grimderp.

>Captain, the Daemons of Khorne are closing in. How could we possibly beat them?
>We out-Khorne them, sergeant! Hey Sororitas, wanna give your life in service of the Emperor?

>> No.17378558

>>17378495
Hardly super serious grimdark, is it? It's the fun kind, like 40k should be.

>> No.17378575

>>17378558
The way it was written it made the GK sound like the bad guys. Maybe it is my enjoyment of the SoB, and distaste at the apparent Squatting GW is giving them, but that one passage sits with me very badly.

>> No.17378597

>>17378501
>>>>I got into a fight the last time I was there, if you can call a fight when a trench-coated 350lb monster knocked my mate's kid over while I just stood there looking at my shoes. Now I'm going to lie about it on the interwebs, bloke.

Fixed that dor you.

>> No.17378643

>>17378575
>it made the GK sound like the bad guys.

Well yes, the important people of the setting are generally supposed to come over as assholes.

>Maybe it is my enjoyment of the SoB, and distaste at the apparent Squatting GW is giving them, but that one passage sits with me very badly.

Well staunch the flow of blood from you posterior and realise that the fluff is about a war game and that people die in setting. A lot. Note also that they weren't killed by snotlings or the like but by mother fucking super elite magical space knights.

>> No.17378699

>Ward knows something about early 40k
>What 40kids actually believe

Ward uses old-school expressions with no evident knowledge of their original meanings. Stealing "Jokaero" just to misuse it isn't an homage. Hijacking "Blood Tide" as a means to prove he knows nothing of GK lore isn't "harking back to the day".

The silly fun of RT was an OPTION because GW used to encourage us to houserule, write our own fluff and convert models any way we wanted in the name of FUN. Since they've banned that definition of "fun" via tourneys and scuttled bits sales while threatening fan sites with lawsuits for using badwrongwords, those days are gone forever. No one at GW - much less a pitiful hack like Ward - can or will "bring it back".

Only we can do that, and not in any GW store ...

>> No.17378721

>>17378575
Let's see, 3 new SoB books being released by BL in 2012, and the last 5 issues of white dwarf feature SoB related stuff.

Not being squatted. Chill the fuck out.

>> No.17378729

>>17378699
man, aren't you a little bundle of joy

>> No.17378744

>>17378721

Nah, instead next GK codex will have all the Sisters being raped to death by the Grey Knights to guard against Slaanesh.

>> No.17378750

>>17378744
And it will be a good thing.

>> No.17378776

>>17378699
How is he misusing Jokaero?

>> No.17378912

>>17378721 3 new SoB books being released by BL in 2012

Oh god, is it true?

>> No.17378935

>>17378776
Jokaero's are not known to fight for the Imperium.

>> No.17378975

>>17378935
but they have always been known to create and improve weapons for it (and others)

they have as much place on the tabletop as Inquisitors do

>> No.17378979

>>17378935

but...they don't fight for them. They're brought along as henchmen that use their magic blingrings when they feel threatened.

>> No.17379014

>>17378912
Doubt it, but there is delicious AdMech and Iron Hands.

>> No.17379132

>>17379014
And Legion of the Damned.

>> No.17379136

>>17378979
Oh god, you again. Stop starting your sentences with "but...", I always know not to argue with a VVard apologist like you.

>> No.17379155

>>17379136

But...it's true.
Would you prefer it if I posted you know what instead? Here, have some crunk.

>> No.17379165

>>17379136
Your faggotry is duly noted.

>> No.17379174 [DELETED] 

>>17379155
Oh, of course, the guy sold his Chaos Space Marines and started Necrons. This confirms my suspicion of there only being one VVard here.

>> No.17379186

>>17379155
Oh, of course, the guy who sold his Chaos Space Marines and started Necrons. This confirms my suspicion of there only being one VVard apologist here.

>> No.17379199

>And the haters actually believe that VVard isn't bringing back 2nd edition

OMG, colours! Please not 2nd edition overly saturated colours.

>the taugel

And please no tau gel either, captcha.

>> No.17379217

>>17379174

Months have passed, yet /tg still whines that necrons and grey knights have actual choice now. I'm glad it's only /tg and warseer.

This is now a wardthread.

>> No.17379219

>>17378115

>> No.17379284

>spelling it VVard
>calling people apologists
all we need is someone to bring up his fantasy books and we'll have a full house

>> No.17379334

>>17379284
You can't post his name, also Ward's involvement with Fantasy was great, suddenly everyone in my group started playing 40k which is the better game.

>> No.17379349

>>17379334
Mat Ward?

>> No.17379356

>>17379334
I posted Ward's name here >>17378426 and in this post

>> No.17379371

>>17379334
Mat Ward
Matthew Ward

>> No.17379383

>>17379334
>40K
>Better

If being cheaper and easier is your thing...

>> No.17379414

>>17379383
At least in 40k you don't have to leave everything to chance and it is possible to win just by being a better player.

>> No.17379445

>>17379414
>You don't leave everything to chance
>Game is determined by dice rolls

>> No.17379465

>>17379414
>it is possible to win just by being a better player.

Fielding SW/GK doesn't automatically make you a better player

>> No.17379472

>>17379465

What are you trying to say? Your game has a pretty distinct difference between 'can win,' and 'can't win, no matter what, because the army sucks.'

>> No.17379484

>>17379472
Name one.

>> No.17379506

>>17379445
You throw less dice in 40k.

>> No.17379525

>>17379484

Dark elves, high elves, demons. These armies have shit.
Greenskins, wood elves. These armies don't have shit.

In 40k, if you roll out your shitty foot marines, they won't automatically fold to, say, eldar. In fantasy, wood elves fold to everything, because they can't compete at all.

>> No.17379527

>>17379506

>> No.17379536

>>17379465
>GK

Use tanks.

>> No.17379568

>>17379525
>I play Orcs and Goblins
>Not competitive, by friendly I frequently beat High Elves/Dark Elves.

There are armies that would get a few chuckles if fielded in a proper tournament, just like 40K with Orcs, Tau, SoB, CSM and Chaos Daemons.

>> No.17379583

>>17379568

Chaos demons in 40k are terrible, yet still deadly. Wood elves can't do anything in any phase.

>> No.17379595

>>17379527
Dice rolls don't determine everything in 40k. Charges for example.

>> No.17379600

>>17379506
Fewer.

>> No.17379637

>>17378426
>>modern grimmderp
i hope you enjoy your "onlyderp" fluff instead.

>> No.17379648

>>17378699

>Ward uses old-school expressions with no evident knowledge of their original meanings.

Ward works for GW, your argument is stupid.

>The silly fun of RT was an OPTION because GW used to encourage us to houserule, write our own fluff and convert models any way we wanted in the name of FUN.

GW still encourages this. Nobody seems to notice for some reason.

>Since they've banned that definition of "fun" via tourneys and

TOs do that, and tournament players and their constant whinging online just makes everyone believe that this is The Only Way To Play.

>scuttled bits sales

I buy bits all the time, I don't know why you can't.

>while threatening fan sites with lawsuits for using badwrongwords

Forced to do stupid shit like this by strange copyright laws at home.

>No one at GW - much less a pitiful hack like Ward - can or will "bring it back".

The old books are still available, all you have to do is find at least ONE other person willing to play you with them. Exactly 100% of my friends are willing to do this, so it must just be you.

>Only we can do that, and not in any GW store ...

MarysuckingChrist'scock can't you play somewhere else and not have it be the end of the world?

tl;dr you are everything wrong with the online 40k community.

>> No.17379664

>>17378558
i wish warhammer was a little more serious.

but it will never be like starcraft.

>> No.17379676

>>17379465
>Fielding SW/GK doesn't automatically make you a better player
To be fair, your opponent being a bad player quite helps when he fields SW/GK and you're not.

(<----- Eldar titties are always relevant)

>> No.17379698

Crud here has ruined more codices than Ward ever will and gets no flak for it. His Tomb Kings book in fantasy is the worst 8e army, much worse than O&G and ogres, and the Vampires are shaping out to be much better as well (healable characters, marching, ward saves or regen on big things...).

His fluff gets a free pass too because a Guard sergeant snapping Ravener spines and routing eldar armies is Humanity Fuck Yeah and automatically loved by imperial (most 40k) players. Unlike that damn Ward.

>> No.17379703

>>17379676
indeed they are my good fellow.

>> No.17379723

>>17379698

Can we get screenshots of Pask's fluff?

>> No.17379756

>>17378975
>>they have as much place on the tabletop as Inquisitors do
>>comparing the situation of inquisitors with jokaero

GO AND PLAY WITH YOUR FUCKING SPEES MEEHRINES AND YOUR IMPERIAL GAURD!!!!

>> No.17379853

>>17379756
neither are usually present during open warfare. Both have been retconned into open service as an excuse to make models and fill out codices

oh, and both were present (with rules and models) in rogue trader.

I think it's great they've been brought back, and they have a cool little model to boot. Claiming that GW is "stealing and misusing" the concept is pretty silly, as the rules represent their (classic) fluff to a T (with the slight retcon to have an inquisitor carting them around in battle)

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