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I have to say that over time I've come to warm up to the Ultramarines.

Their whole... Ultra-ness, the way they're ubiquitously depicted in the media and the realization that no matter what's coming, and no matter what it's done to get this far... Adeptus Astartes Ultra is here as testament to the single greatest guarantee that it will go no further.

I don't know. It's enough to make a man become a believer.

I for one accept Marneus Augustus Calgar as my spiritual liege.

>> No.16763422

GTFO Matt.

>> No.16763423

Go to bed Ward.

>> No.16763430

Before Ward got to them...I'd be tempted to agree with you. Now? Fuck off.

>> No.16763972

> Before Ward got to them...I'd be tempted to agree with you. Now? Fuck off.


On the one hand, I share your distaste for the Ward book. I played them before they were (as) cool and don't care for the new, perfect direction they have taken.

On the other hand the amount of buttannihilated that the spiritual liege line has caused has almost made up for the fuckup that is the 5E marine codex in both rules and fluff.

>> No.16763985

Gabrielle Angelos is my spiritual liege.

>> No.16763986

>>16763972
>rules and fluff
What's the problem with the Rules of the Marine Codex?Doesn't sound to overpowered to me

>> No.16764004

lol another ultrasmurfs fanboi.

>> No.16764016

>>16763985
But he is dead.

>> No.16764025

Where the fuck is Exterminatus of my xbawks ?!

>> No.16764032

>>16764016
Nope. He's been given the finest augmetics the Blood Ravens have to offer. Which reminds me, how is Robute Guilleman doing lately?

>> No.16764042

>>16764032
So you're saying the guy in the ending wasn't Calgar?!

>> No.16764051

Ultrasmurfs are moderately interesting in theory.

They become substantially less interesting when everyone wants to be an Ultrasmurf and have Rawwbutt Girlyman be their spiritual liege.

>>16764016
You didn't watch the entire ending cutscene for the Blood Ravens in retribution did you.

>> No.16764056

Fuck the haters

Titus is a bro

Calgar is my liege

>> No.16764061

>>16764051
I dig the metal hair.

>> No.16764066

>>16764056
And Leandros was right.

>> No.16764073

>>16764056

the codex astartes does not approve of this action

>> No.16764086

>>16764042
WTF would Calgar be doing in the Aurelia subsector?

>> No.16764099

Titus as a mini

>> No.16764106

>>16764099
And painted

>> No.16764110

>>16764086
I bet he is wondering the same thing right now.

>> No.16764116

The Horus Heresy books pulled me over to the Ultras.

In The First Heretic it is teased that the reason there were so many Ultras at the time of the heresy was because the 2 Lost legions were merged with the Ultras when they were expunged from history.

Also, Age of Darkness(another book) has a short story about Girlyman and his book. It paints a VERY different picture of the man than most see.

>> No.16764124

>>16764110
*raises finger*
...
*lowers it*


>>HARK! The Ultramarines have gifted us a new Chapter Master!

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>> No.16764231

>>16764110
>>16764086
Taking the place of Gabriel Angelos in order to secretly take over the Blood Ravens.

Once he has annexed enough Chapters into the Ultrasmurfs.... BOOM, the Imperium of Man is suddenly gone a coup replaced by the Ultrasmurf Imperium

>> No.16764251

Dude Ultramarine Imperium would wipe away the Xenos threat

>> No.16764351

>Ultrasmurf.
I get that the joke is that they're blue, but Ultramarine means blue. Ultrasmurf is actually less of a joke.

>> No.16764367

>>16764351
>Ultrasmurf is actually less of a joke.

The point is less the pun and more the insult.

>> No.16764399

I'm still more pissed about Ward claiming that one chapter can conquer entire Star Sectors or the survival rate of Grey Knights is 1 out of MILLION.

I mean, does this guy have any sense of perspective?

>> No.16764423

>>16764399
Do you know how large a sector is in 40k?
It's not all that large, and realistically, a chapter putting forth it's entire force to taking a sector very well could.
Holding it would be another thing entirely, but seeing as how in most sectors, not every single world is inhabited (by 40ks own admission, most worlds can't hold life), you are talking maybe 10-40 worlds a sector, not all of them with fantastic technology, or tech even approaching the Imperium.

>> No.16764428

Man I love Ultramarines strictly because of how they look as minis, I love that blue...plus it helps when they are written to be the equivalent of Imperial Rome's baby with America.

>> No.16764432

>>16764399

One Chapter doing ridiculous stuff like that has always happened.

GW just does not have a sense of scale, even in spec ops roles marines would not in actuality make that much of a difference. Even if the Chapter numbers were multiplied by a thousand, it still would be on the low side.

>> No.16764441

>>16764399
>1 out of a million
1000 Grey Knights. 1 billion potential applicants. Considering the scale of 40k, that's not too bad.

>> No.16764465

>>16764399

Most science fiction writers have no sense of scale or perspective to begin with, and as we all know Matty boy is hardly the epitome of science fiction writing skill.

>> No.16764487

>>16764399

One in a million isn't that much. Think of the level of population in 40K. Grey Knights are drawn from the entire imperium, and are a thousand strong. So that's a billion recruits/initiates to make that. But you're not re-making and training the entire chapter every time, you're only replacing losses. And I assume Grey Knights don't lose hundreds of dudes each operation so you're only pulling out a few million people at a time. And a few million people is unnoticeable when your population is in the trillions.

>> No.16764488

>>16764441
The GK project still would then have cost the Imperium 150 billion psykers. For every Grey Knight, you could have a new chapter of librarians and a new regiment of PSISTORMTROOPERS.

>> No.16764513

>>16764488

I think that's part of the ethos of 40K. Grey Knights aren't worth it. But they represent what the "ideal" pure soldier.

>> No.16764515

>>16764399
>>I mean, does this guy have any sense of perspective?
None at all. Remember Wards writing on the Assault on Black Reach in the Marine 5th edition Codex?

Ward thinks that dropping a couple of techmarines with thunderfire cannons on the walls of a Hive city is enough to shore up it's defenses against an invading Ork army.

A Hive city.

You know, those solid 10 mile high megastructures home to tens of billions of humans? You're just gonna drop 2-3 tiny self propelled guns and shore up it's defenses against that Ork horde of millions barreling in?

>> No.16764619

>>16764423
Mind you, if even one of those planets is a hive world it's bullshit to write about Space Marines *conquering* a sector. Even if they bring along the entire goddamned chapter.

Low end population figures for Hive Worlds (100+ billion) could easily have planetary defense forces in the hundreds of millions. Larger hive worlds having billion man armies at their disposal wouldn't surprise me.

The most Space Marines are doing in this kind of conflict are commando raids, maybe even just a few squads at a time. Come in fast in drop pods, smash up a supply base, storm a command bunker and kill a bunch of generals*, then get the hell out of dodge.


*This is hardly a decapitation strike though. 100+ million man armies are simply going to have to large of command staff for you to be able to swoop in and kill them all.

>> No.16764637

>>16764619
Hmmm. To play the Devil's Advocate, doesn't each company have its own Battle Barge?

>> No.16764652

>>16764488
Yes, it did, in M31.
Keeping up on losses than, isn't so hard.
OH NO, MILLIONS DIE. Isn't one of the big points of 40k is that human life is cheap?
>>16764515
Depends on the forces, the hive world and the orks.
If the orks are not encircling the hive world, and the cannons are secured, they will stymie vehicles and oncoming hordes, buying time for forces to gun them down.
Unless you really took from that piece that a few guns magically turned the tide, rather than bought time for proper relief or gave the pdf an edge to slow down the tide. You also seem to be giving too much credit to ork tacticians. They aren't master siege men.

>> No.16764654

>>16764619

Rulebook states hive world populations are between 100 billion and 500 billion. Example worlds given in the same entry include the likes of Necromunda, Vanaheim, Armageddon and Ichar IV.

>> No.16764667

>>16764619
What part of angels of death don't you understand?

Fluffwise, Space Marines conquer planets in days. Somehow.

>> No.16764668

>>16764637
A chapter will have anywhere from 1 to 8 battle barges (Templars have more) generally, depending on status, and thrice that number in cruisers and escorts.
The full might of a chapter, especially since SM vessels are built for ground barrages, could pound a world into submission, and indeed that is the general method.

>> No.16764699

>>16764668
>A chapter will have anywhere from 1 to 8 battle barges

Between 2-3 if they are not extreme cases like Templars or Wolves. Blood Angels have 2, Ultramarines have 3 and these are First Foundings.

A point made is that Space Marine fleets should stay within certain limits, and the ships should be optimized for planetary assault and not destroying other spaceships.

>> No.16764717

>>16764699
>>16764668
Then I find it hard to believe that 1 battle barge and 3 cruisers, or whatever, could possibly fail to take a hive world.

Orbital bombard here, drop pod there. But usually they just apply pressure to the planetary governor and squeeze.

>> No.16764724

>>16764637
But that's just bombing the planet from orbit. You're not really conquering it. And it's not like the Imperial Navy is somehow less effective at that than the Space Marines.

The only real advantage Marines have over an Imperial Fleet is their greater capacity for commando ops. Like dropping a small number of Marines to destroy strategic void shield installations and planetary defense guns/torpedo batteries.

>> No.16764740

>>16764699
Dark Angels have 5 Battle barges but they're technically a fleet based chapter since the Rock can move around.

>> No.16764744

>> No.16764762

Behold your TRUE spiritual liege.

>> No.16764767

>>16764652
>>Unless you really took from that piece that a few guns magically turned the tide, rather than bought time for proper relief or gave the pdf an edge to slow down the tide.
This is Matt Ward. What do YOU think he wrote?

>>Marine 5th edition codex pg. 36
>>With Sicarius and the bulk of the Ultramarines now elsewhere, the Orks renewed their assault on Ghospora Hive. Unfortunately for the greenskins, Sicarius had foreseen the possibility and ordered the deployment of several Thunderfire cannon to strengthen the hive's defences. No sooner did the assault get underway than a salvo of shells tore through the advancing Orks and drove them back to the shelter of the petrified forests surrounding Ghospora Hive.

Bassically in a stand up artillery fight, Ward thinks the firepower presented by a couple of Thunderfire cannons is a significant tide turner in the defense of a hive spire.

Because if there's one advantage Sphess Mahreens have over the Guard. It's static firepower.

>>16764667
>>What part of angels of death don't you understand?
The magical pixie dust?

>> No.16764775

>>16764724
Its bombing from orbit, plus being able to distribute 100 10-man drop pods or whatever you need them. I don't expect even 1000 astartes to do much at all in a stand up fight. But when you can also obliterate gatherings of vehicles and shit from orbit? Just start lopping off the top of the chain of command until they give up.

>> No.16764782

>>16764767
>Because if there's one advantage Sphess Mahreens have over the Guard. It's static firepower.
yeah those lazy mortals and their bombards.

>> No.16764791

>>16764767
>This is Matt Ward. What do YOU think he wrote?
I know what he wrote.
The difference is that you are interpreting it as though they saved the day due to lack of details and a desire to see it in the worst light imaginable, than using sense and other situations in 40k to draw conclusions.
It's the same situation with the whole GK/Sisters bullshit. People drawing conclusions that rail against the setting because they were not spoonfed all the details.

>> No.16764807

>>16764775

This is probably the closest we get to a realistic explanation. A Chapter fleet like one Blood Angels have is about 40% of a Sector Fleet (like Battlefleet Calixis) in size. Even piecemeal Chapters can easily bombard most worlds to shit because Imperial organization makes it hard for renegade planets to get their hands on more than small STL system defence ships.

"A typical offensive against a rebel or alien-held planet
begins with the arrival of strike craft which clear
away defending system ships. The strike craft then neutralise
orbital defences, ground-based defence laser silos and missile
bunkers. By preference, if the system defences are weak or
still under friendly control, the Space Marines will deploy
directly onto the planet’s surface, often directly into the
midst of a decisive engagement to take advantage of the
considerable shock of their arrival."

"Often the arrival of a Space Marine strike cruiser is enough to
quell a rebellious system."

-BFG Armada
Basically the Marines won't even deploy if the system has significant resistance left unbombarded, if written intelligently. Otherwise they take it by DEEP STRIKING and yelling really loud no matter what.

>> No.16764808

>>16764775
>>Its bombing from orbit, plus being able to distribute 100 10-man drop pods or whatever you need them. I don't expect even 1000 astartes to do much at all in a stand up fight. But when you can also obliterate gatherings of vehicles and shit from orbit? Just start lopping off the top of the chain of command until they give up.
Oh absolutely.

The advantage of Space Marines (outside of the fluff the doesn't acknowledge the scale of the universe) isn't really that they can win battles at 10 million to one odds. It's that a major fortress that could endure a siege from millions of Guardsmen for months will fall in a day or two if a Space Marine company manages to get inside it.

>> No.16764815

>>16764791
Don't even fucking go there and cite the Khornate Knights as something that people got pissed off at because they didn't understand it.
Matt Ward's fluff is stupid, get over it.

>> No.16764823

hey guys what's going on in this thread.

>> No.16764838

>>16764823

Come now Andy, let's get you back to Blizzard.

>> No.16764841

>>16764667

>Fluffwise, Space Marines conquer planets in days. Somehow.

It's been said that a single Space Marine could take an entire planet for the Emperor, given enough time.

This sounds like bullshit, but consider that the Marine will most likely be conscripting and training primitive troops for himself, and likely has decades of combat experience under his belt, it could be plausible. Would take hella long though.

>> No.16764845

>>16764838

When're the Tyranids gonna get an anthropomorphic insect-lizard-alien lady?

>> No.16764851

>>16764823
>that feel when we'll never have another chapter approved.

>> No.16764856

>>16764841

I could see a Night Lord doing it. Silently preying on the important infrastructure and powerful people till the world crumbles.

Or an Alpha Legionnaire, setting up cults and sleeper cells.

>> No.16764860

>>16764841
Well when it comes down to it, a single mortal man could conquer a planet given enough time, let alone a space marine.

>> No.16764865

>>16764860

I think the idea is that the Space Marine can do it because he isn't gonna simply keel over and die of old age or something.

>> No.16764867

>>16764841
And of course, they didn't say hive world. A world in the Imperium isn't necessarily inhabited, and those that are, may just be inhabited by a couple techpriests watching mining servitors do their work, for instance.

>> No.16764869

>>16764791
No. Ward's writing is shit.

Mind you. I'd heard people bitching about Ward's writing being shit for a variaty of reasons, but I mostly assumed it was /tg/ whining. THEN I actually read the 5th edition Marine Codex. There is to much blatantly stupid stuff in the fluff Ward writes for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And don't pretend the entire Assault on Black Reach fluff isn't just concentrated Ultra Marine wank by Ward. Not with the stupid "Lemen Russ Killing Super shootaz" the Orks had that of course will have no effect on his adored Ultrasmurfs.

>> No.16764884

>>16764815
Except they did.
People got mad because it didn't go into details on why happened, only what.
Even what you posted proves it. The only thing it really says is that a salvo from the cannons caused the ork vanguard to retreat.
Not that it "won" the siege on it's own, not that it turned the tide and brought victory over the ork menace. It bought time, made an ork force pull back. The pinning rules translated to fluff. You are merely shouting because you can.

>> No.16764892

Matt please go.

>> No.16764897

>>16764086
No idea....
Maybe the blood ravens have been gifted with a new chapter master.

>> No.16764908

>>16764892
Oh just grow the fuck up. Mat Ward doesn't give two shits what you think about him, or his work. It sells books, his bosses are happy.

GW doesn't give a shit about 4chan, or the rest of the bollocks.

>> No.16764910

>>16764897

It would make sense. Kyras would never have turned if they'd had the firm, strong hand of the Emperor's greatest champion guiding them.

Those hands...

>> No.16764930

>>16764910
firm large powerful sexy hands......

>> No.16764945

>>16764897
How is chapter master going?

>> No.16764956

Ultramarines can be made interesting again. Just scale back the everyone-loves-them and make people start seeing them and Ultramar as a significant secession risk - sort of like what happened in the Dornian Heresy. Highlight their political power and expansionist tendencies and how their successor chapters' loyalty is to Ultramarines first, the Imperium second, and the mucky-mucks on Earth a distant third and you've got some real tension brewing.

>> No.16764960

>>16764930
>>16764910

>Ooh Mister Guilliman: A Fan-fiction

>> No.16764963

I'd play them if they went back to being simply Space Romans. Hell, I even have a roman-style squad, eagle, standard, shields and all that.

>> No.16764990

>>16764963
Has that really changed?
It just doesn't permeate everything about them now, but you will still see captains with roman style helmets, decorated officers with laurels and eagles on their armor.

>> No.16765009

Imperial Fists here, Calgar is a pussy.

>> No.16765022

>>16764990
I just feel something is lacking. IMHOtep et al

>> No.16765048

>>16765009
>implying Corteaz and Xavier weren't twice as cool as sergeant Lysander

>> No.16765095

>>16764884
>>People got mad because it didn't go into details on why happened, only what.
Would have going into more detail have made what happened somehow more well thought out?

I never really was very interested in Grey Knights fluff, but it does seem pretty out of whack with what was established with them so far.
>>16764884
>>Even what you posted proves it. The only thing it really says is that a salvo from the cannons caused the ork vanguard to retreat.
Which is all sorts of retarded by itself.

What's so special about 2-3 thunder cannons compared to HUNDREDS of heavy PDF and Guard artillery batteries and weapons that should be bristling over a hive city this size? Why is it even worth mentioning in this context? Why would any force large enough to threaten an entire gargantuan hive city be given pause by three puny little self propelled guns?

>> No.16765153

>>16765095
>I never really was very interested in Grey Knights fluff, but it does seem pretty out of whack with what was established with them so far.
I'll fill you in; the 3rd edition grey knights were the odd ones out. And only because the fluff didn't actually specify anything about them.

older grey knights (RT/2nd) were arranged into chapters (techmarines, assault marines, devastators.. you name it) and relied on sorcery and historical witch/daemon-hunting superstition-turned-to-eleven. They butchered allies more often than they did enemies because even seeing the forces of chaos was a huge risk.

...just like in the 5th edition book

>> No.16765182

>>16765095
I could see a bunch of marines high fiveing themselves after making one clump of orks from the horde surrounding the hive retreat. Their congratulatory cries of victory is drowned out by the hundreds of thousands of guard basilisk artillery which continue to fire at the vast ork horde.

The ultramarine writes in his diary; today I saved an entire hive with my thunderfire cannon. Yay me.

>> No.16765195

Like many people the sheer amount of repetitive Ward hate has actually made me quite sick of the meme. I love Mentors, Imperial Fists and White Scars, so sure I join in on occasion, but once it devolved into the exact same comments every time and mindless cries of WAAAARD I stopped thinking Ward haters had anything to say anymore and ceased to be one myself.

>>16764990
Ultramar civilians still throw their weak babies of cliffs Spartan style since their Index Astartes has not been retconned. So they're still greco-roman badasses. Baby killing just isn't very PC so they don't emphasize it in the current fluff that paints them as noblebright good guys who have ten companies of gold trimmed second company... somehow...

One of the minor changes Ward made to Marine fluff that I actually kind of like is the switch from

Start as scout then tactical then specialize as either devastator or assault

to

Scout then Devastator then Assault then Tactical.

It's kinda cool for Tactical marines to be the most badass ones. It also falls in line with the whole "scout company is 10th company, Veteran company is 1st" thing.

I do kinda miss the old way of doing things, but overall I really like it this way. If you don't like it, hey no problem. Minor codex divergence that isn't even enough to make your chapter non-codex compliant. Problem solved.

>> No.16765232

>>16765153
That kind of plays into the problem with the 5th edition codex.

The old fluff of Grey Knights slaughtering others who had been overly exposed to Chaos comes from the fact that those people are much more at risk of falling to the Ruinous than Grey Knights, none of whom have ever fallen to Chaos due to their crazy insane mental conditioning. If the Grey Knights had slaughtered the sisters of Battle in the *Khornate Knights* incident because they believed they were a danger creating further heresy in the future, I think people would have been ok with that.

I think the contention comes from the fact that the Grey Knights NEEDED to slaughter all the Sisters of Battle to protect themselves from corruption. If most of these mortal woman had managed to steel themselves against Chaos, why couldn't the psyker demigods who had been specifically trained to deal with Daemons be able to handle it without crazy human sacrifice?

>> No.16765266

>>16765232
>If the Grey Knights had slaughtered the sisters of Battle in the *Khornate Knights* incident because they believed they were a danger creating further heresy in the future, I think people would have been ok with that.
seeing as you haven't read the fluff excerpt in question..

the sisters were slowly succumbing. Most had already gone mad.

>> No.16765333

>>16765232
It's a pity, because the core concept Ward was working with of "technocratic shamans" is... pretty badass.

Honestly if it had been handled well I would have been thrilled by a story about Knights using sympathetic blood magick and sacraments of bone and flesh to invoke, bind and summarily banish the minions of Khorne. If a writer who knew shit about sympathetic connections and really, REALLY knew Khorne's fluff well it could've been an awesome story. Maybe even some of the best 40k canon there is.

But instead it was some dumb shit about corruption and purity and killing sisters to wear their purity.

>> No.16765358

>>16765266
Then why did they paint their armour with the Sisters' blood if they were three-quarters insane with corruption?

>> No.16765365

>>16765266
>>the sisters were slowly succumbing. Most had already gone mad.
No they hadn't. Some of them were corrupted, but most were killed while fanatically fighting daemons.
>>Grey Knights codex page 15
>>On the Morning of the ninth day, Sisters of Battle from the Order of the Ebon Chalice assault the basilica. SOME Battle Sisters are corrupted on contact with the Bloodtide. Those who endure fight valiantly, but most are slaughtered by the Bloodletters atop the basilica walls. It is only when the Grey Knights 4th Brotherhood arrives on Van Horne that the Bloodtide is abated.
Most of the Sisters of Battle were able to resist corruption and fight against the daemons.

>>NEEDING a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtides taint, the Grey Knights first act is to thurn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights Armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption...
If Grey Knights are supposed to be so much more Corruption resistant than mere mortals, and most of the Sisters of Battle were able to resist the taint, why would the Grey Knights need the blood of those less pious than themselves to protect them?

>> No.16765375

>>16765358

They only used the ones that hadn't succumbed yet.


...though why the Imperium's /specially trained, specifically stated to have never fallen to Chaos ever Astartes/ are less resistant to corruption than a bunch of zealous human chicks... I don't know.

>> No.16765378

>>16765358
Because it's long been a part of Imperium fluff that the blood and bones of the innocent and faithful are powerful charms against Chaos.

>> No.16765402

>>16765365
Equipment can still be tainted, guy.
GKs in terminator armor aren't much good when the machine spirit goes batshit and locks up or tries to kill the one inside.

>> No.16765430

>>16765365
>If Grey Knights are supposed to be so much more Corruption resistant than mere mortals,
they may be resistant to the mental temptations and corruptions of chaos, but a bolt gun hurts them the same as any man. The "bloodtide" is not a manifestation of corruption; it's a nanoweapon that has been perverted to the service of chaos

>and most of the Sisters of Battle were able to resist the taint,
due to their abnormal faith producing physical miracles.. like a good amount of sister fluff

>why would the Grey Knights need the blood of those less pious than themselves to protect them?
well, first off; Grey Knights aren't "more pious" than sisters. And second off; the blood of martyrs and saints is a potent ward against danger due to the lingering power in it.

They needed the protection because.. greyknights have no effective defences against nanoweaponry

>> No.16765432

>>16765402
Which brings up another question.

What EXACTLY do the Grey Knights do when their aren't Sisters of Battle present to be sacrificed? What if their ship broke down. What if the Bloodletters had killed them all first and desecrated their bodies?

Would the Grey Knights have scratched their heads and said
>>Sorry boys, it's to dangerious. Time to pack up and head home and ruminate over how we'll never really be Ultramarines.

>> No.16765434

>>16765365
Well. Grey Knights supposedly explode because of those bone runes they have if they're ever corrupted in any way. And considering only one sister has ever truly fallen to chaos. So I'm wondering if the bloodtide "ON CONTACT" corruption was more of a fleshcrafting corruption than a chaos magic you now worship chaos corruption. Like that time a keeper of secrets turned a monastery of sisters into a giant flesh ball. It wasn't able to turn them to chaos but it certainly corrupted them. Or that time that alpha class chaos psyker was able to mindcontrol an entire planet into chaos, he wasn't able to actually make the sisters fall. Could make them move like puppets but the second he was distracted they reverted.

The sister blood would act like a purity shield, it gets the corruption instead of the grey knights just 'sploding on contact with the bloodtide.

>> No.16765435

>>16765365

>If Grey Knights are supposed to be so much more Corruption resistant than mere mortals, and most of the Sisters of Battle were able to resist the taint, why would the Grey Knights need the blood of those less pious than themselves to protect them?

Because matt ward is a complete faggot.

>> No.16765437

>>16765375
>>16765365
>though why the Imperium's /specially trained, specifically stated to have never fallen to Chaos ever Astartes/ are less resistant to corruption than a bunch of zealous human chicks... I don't know.

>If Grey Knights are supposed to be so much more Corruption resistant than mere mortals, and most of the Sisters of Battle were able to resist the taint, why would the Grey Knights need the blood of those less pious than themselves to protect them?

Because they're "specially trained" to know how to do this:
>The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used

Part of the reason they're so good at what they do is they've been trained how to mix blood and... uh... special oils... in a way that other pure folks don't know or aren't pure enough to do because it's heresy or sorcery or something.

It was badly handled. See: >>16765333

>> No.16765469

>>16765434
>Grey Knights supposedly explode because of those bone runes they have if they're ever corrupted in any way

I've always enjoyed this fluff as it is infinitely less stupid by comparison than "they just never fall to chaos ever because I say so" but I've been told recently that it is JUST /tg/ canon with no basis in core fluff.

I don't want to believe that even if it's true because it's so much less derpy than NONE PURER. So this seems like a good place to ask for a source.

>> No.16765472

>>16765437

Meh. I preferred the Grey Knights trilogy. Alaric was a boss, and they actually made some sense then.

>> No.16765489

>>16765469

The idea as presented in the Alaric trilogy was that they had hexagrammatic wards tattooed on/in their skin that kept them from falling. Alaric comes really close to falling after his get undone somehow.

>> No.16765494

>>16765375
>are less resistant to corruption than a bunch of zealous human chicks... I don't know.
What is chaos? Belief made manifest.
What do those zealous human chicks have a lot of? BELIEF.

Only one ZHC has ever fallen to chaos because they all have enough faith to cancel out chaos. Greyknights on the other hand don't have that. They're lobotomized humans with enough cybernetics and artifacts to be resistant or explode on contact with chaos but they don't actually have any faith to use against chaos.

>> No.16765502

>>16765494

>Grey Knights
>No faith or zealotry
Pick one, bro.

>> No.16765564

>>16765469
I always laugh when I hear that bit of fanfluff. They have tattoos that offer some protection(see the DH Daemonhunters book for details on that) but nothing on their bones.

The story as to why they never fall, according to the old Codex, was that they are emotionless because of their mind wiping, so Chaos has nothing they can tempt them with.

>> No.16765868

>>16765365
>>16765375
Because they used freaking sorcery. It's right there.

They used the blood of the innocent Sisters as a reagent in their sorcery. They didn't steal the sister's protection, they used the sister's blood to help create wards.

>> No.16765877

>>16765472
>>16765489

even when he was broken and had khornes spiritual necklace thing on, he came close, but he still didnt. I think that shows just how badass grey knights are. I think any other person wouldve given in a long time before that. Alaric didnt even have his own soul shield to help him, which was the only thing grey knights really have when it comes down to it.

shit he even let himself go insane and came back from it from being pure awesome. I'm gonna go with GK on this one guys.

>> No.16765886

I've always liked Ultramarines ever since I played Chaos Gate all those years ago. Incidentally, Word Bearers are one of my favourite Chaos legions. Go figure.

>> No.16765892

>>16765868
Exactly. It's one of those things that could have been Cool As Fuck.

I mean techno sorcerers using sympathetic blood magic to guard against Khorne. What's not to love?

Oh right. The fact that if you don't write it brilliantly it comes across as the dumbest fucking thing in the codex.

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