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14682542 No.14682542 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

I've got a couple of things I need to check involving Matt Ward's Ultrasmurf abominations.

The first being where does it state Sicarius' company has more honours than most chapters?
The second being where does it say Telion's ability is so great he takes into account the curvature of the planet when making shots?

>> No.14682570

Having read that, I am now glad that I only play Deathwatch.

Jesus Christ Ward is stupid.

>> No.14682606

>>14682570

I know, I gave up Ultras and turned my lot into Soul Drinkers when fifth edition came out. But flipping through the codex again, I can't seem to find the bits where either of these supposed facts are mentioned.

>> No.14682612

>Telion's ability is so great he takes into account the curvature of the planet when making shots

Why would you even need to do that?

>> No.14682637

>>14682612
Maybe he is sniping with the artillery?
>where does it state Sicarius' company has more honours than most chapters?
Did you try codex: Space Marines?

>> No.14682641

There's nothing remarkable about Telion taking planet curvature into account. That should be incredibly normal, in fact, in any army trained to deploy on variably-sized planets. I imagine 40k sniping calculations have a lot to do with the different gravities, Coriolis winds, and curvatures of the planets.

>> No.14682668

>>14682606

Those specific bits are not accurate, Sicarius' 2nd Company is however "the finest fighting unit in this [ultramarines] or any other Space Marine Chapter" according to his entry, and Sicarius himself is legendary far beyond the borders of Ultramar, plus Calgar's probable successor.

Telion does take gravity into account according to his entry, not the curvature of planets, he's also the reason why "Ultramarines have the best marksmen among all Space Marine Chapters", and is loaned to other Chapters with close ties to Ultras to train their scouts too.

>> No.14682717

>>14682668

Ah, got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

>> No.14682932
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14682932

Hi venerable dreadnough/tg/uys,
I'm wondering if anyone knows the normal composition of a 2nd Edition 40k Warp Cards deck.
Trying to make one.

>> No.14682941

>>14682932
Whoops, thought I was on the frontpage.
proceed with thread, I'll start my own properly.

>> No.14683041

>>14682606
It seems to me these are both ideas perpetrated from /tg/'s "Ridiculous Idea Engine"
Then again, it can't be hard to gain more battle honours than the Lamenters or Fire Hawks.

>> No.14683071

>>14683041

This on the other hand is a direct Wardex quote.

>Each member of the Ultramarines Honour Guard has earnt more commendations and glories in a lifetime's service than a whole company of Space Marines from any other chapter, and that each individual has slain more foes than an entire company of Imperial Guardsmen.

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>>14683041

>> No.14683112

You think that's bad, read his gem on "Codex chapters". In the Court of the Munchkin King, it's good to be a Smurf.

>> No.14683176

>>14683089
What's that Lamenters? I can't understand you, all I hear is "A BLOO BLOO BLOO"

>> No.14683181

>>14683089
>Manlytears.jpg

>> No.14683197

>>14683071
You forgot the "It is said"

>> No.14683244

>>14683071

I'm actually going to have to look that up before I believe he put it in an official codex.

No, THE official and most popular of codices.

If what you say is true, then...

Well, I won't be surprised.

>> No.14683295

>>14683244
Contrary to popular belief /tg/ has good reasons for hating Matthias Ward.

>> No.14683306

>>14682542

Why does everyone and their goddamn cousin have power weapons in that shot?

>> No.14683324

>>14683306
Vanguard Veterans?

>> No.14683325

>>14683071

Slaying more foes then an entire company of guardsmen isn't very hard. Each space marine probably has that many kills by the time he reaches full brother status. I believe the full quote actually mentions a IG Regiment.

>> No.14683335

>>14683306
A better question is why is everyone's head so small. Even by GW standards they have tiny heads.

>> No.14683337

>>14683306
Pre-heresy. You don't have to explain shit.

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>>14683306
Imagine an age where plasma guns don't get hot

>> No.14683370

>>14683335
Because, unlike the actual, shit-tier model legs, the artwork marines are standing in poses that don't require them to break their hips.

>> No.14683387

>>14682542

>Takes into account the curvature of the planet

You'd have to be sniping someone in Bombay from the summit of mount everest before this could possibly matter.

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>>14683325

Indeed it does mention a regiment instead of a company. Also, "Guilliman's chief talents, as ever, lay in war, and he led the Ultramarines to fresh conquests in the galactic south. He succeeded in liberating more worlds during the Great Crusade than any other Primarch, and the worlds he brought within the Imperium were to benefit from his organisational skills and passion for efficient government. "

Then there's the infamous interview and codex page 24.

>Chapters in the second category are disciples who owe their genetic inheritance to another Primarch, but follow the Codex Astartes as keenly as their divergent heritage allows. While primarily composed of successor Chapters, this group also includes several Chapters of the First Founding - notably the Imperial Fists, White Scars and Raven Guard. These Chapters can never be Ultramarines, for their gene-seed is not that of Roboute Guilliman. Nevertheless, they will ever aspire to the standards and teachings of the great Primarch.

>The third and final group are aberrants; Chapters who, through quirk of gene-seed, mutation or stubbornness, eschew the Codex Astartes in favour of other structural and combat doctrines. Some, such as the Blood Angels and their successors, strive to be worthy of Guilliman's legacy, but their recalcitrant gene-seed drives them ever further from it. Others, such as the Space Wolves and the Black Templars, remain stubbornly independent, looking to their own founder's ways of war and caring little of how they fare in the eyes of others. These aberrant Chapters were always few in number and their presence diminishes further with each passing decade, for their gene-seed is no longer the source of fresh Chapters.

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>>14683409

Get. The. Pitchforks. And. Torches.

We have a heretic to lynch.

>> No.14683529

>>14683409
I love Matt Ward. No, seriously. I doubt he even realizes exactly how much of a self-wanking fanboy he is. The fact that he ends up trolling tons of other fans is just icing on the cake. Despite the god-awful stuff he can churn out, I don't think I'd undo a single bit of it.

>> No.14683576

>>14683387
Actually, it's common for military sniper's to take gravitational effects, heat sinks, etc into account when making a shot.
For a force that travels to different PLANETS, it takes on a whole new importance. Stop using typical thinking that applies only to circumstances on present day earth and shoehorning them into 40k.
>>14682542
OP, this is the part where you remember that C:SM used to be C:Ultramarines, that GW's new stance on fluff is that everything is written from the pov of the force in question, and EVERYTHING is either over the top, suspect in accuracy, or both.
5th edition highlights the problem 4th and 3rd created, people who think the fluff needs to be serious, sensible and IS ALWAYS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WITHOUT FAIL.
Seriously, stop that.

>> No.14683585

>>14683409
>the Blood Angels strive to be worthy of Guilliman's legacy

ALL OF MY HATERAGE.

>> No.14683597

I just want my 3.5ed Chaos Codex back

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>>14683576
>OP, this is the part where you remember that C:SM used to be C:Ultramarines, that GW's new stance on fluff is that everything is written from the pov of the force in question, and EVERYTHING is either over the top, suspect in accuracy, or both.
>5th edition highlights the problem 4th and 3rd created, people who think the fluff needs to be serious, sensible and IS ALWAYS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WITHOUT FAIL.
Seriously, stop that.
Somehow I always felt that this was how codex fluff worked. It's all written from the POV of the force it describes.
People really need to calm the fuck down when it comes to fluff.

>mfw this always gets a reply.
Oh, btw: Grey Knights used Sororitas Blood for a ritual to stop the BloodTide Virus.

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>Each member of the Ultramarines Honour Guard has earnt more commendations and glories in a lifetime's service than a whole company of Space Marines from any other chapter
It's stuff like this that makes me think the Ultras just give out awards like the Space Wolves give out beers and the Dark Angels give out cookies. Seriously the average Ultramarine scout probably has a couple dozen battle honors before he gets his power armor. And then drops into his first battle.

>>14683387
Or just over a Kilometer

>>14683696
Oh, btw: Grey Knights use random graffiti on the Golden Throne to hold Imperium hostage and get away with having pet monkeys.

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>>14683409
oh noes

>> No.14684045

Alls you needs to know op is that they best maniggas

>> No.14684138

>>14682612
Modern snipers do that.

>> No.14684141

>>14682932
Where the hell is your thread? I can't help if I don't find it.

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14684341

>These aberrant Chapters were always few in number and their presence diminishes further with each passing decade

>heir presence diminishes further

>diminishes

Please, the Black Templar could destroy the ultramarines through sheer numbers alone.

>> No.14685119

>>14684341
>#Black Templars < #Tyranids in Behemoth
Maybe if the Black Templars weren't Codex Aberrant Sub Xeno filth they could.

>> No.14685144

>>14685119
Hivefleet Behemoth < 1000 ultramarines

1000 ultrasmurfs < 5000-7000 BT

>> No.14685582

Do the Ultramarines even follow their own rules? Because I can't see anyway they could maintain that empire-within-an-empire of their own, much less go out and fight, without either braking the 1000 marine limit or cheating via "successor chapters" that are merely unofficial ultramarine companies. For that matter do any of the First Founding chapters follow the Codex Astartes' population cap? Even the Blood Ravens seem to have more than a thousand and they aren't even a founding chapter... probably.

>>14683576
Codex Blood Angels doesn't seem to have been written from the perspective of the Blood Angels. Also, he rapes the crunch just as much as he rapes the fluff. And there is writing from the perspective of the force in question, but Ward goes way fucking overboard.

>>14682612
I'm sure Matt Ward thinks that is amazing, but snipers already do that. That retarded munchkin.

>>14683112
I am calling Ward the Munchkin King from now on.

>>14683409
Munchkin King

>> No.14688122

>>14685582
>Codex Blood Angels doesn't seem to have been written from the perspective of the Blood Angels
Yes, it does. It focuses on their heroism in the face of imminent destruction due to gene seed.
>he rapes the crunch just as much as he rapes the fluff
The 3 most balanced forces in 5th would like to say hi.
>goes overboard
40k would like to throw a chainsword in front of you.

>> No.14688315

>>14682637
Modern snipers take the Earth's curvature into account whenever they make shots over a mile.

>> No.14690052

>>14688315
Would you assholes knock off that "You're ignorant if you don't know that contemporary snipers ... " shit? Everyone "takes gravity into consideration" whenever they walk, and snipers don't have auto-senses, bionic eyeballs or ray guns that shoot around corners, so your keen little insights are invalid!
<--- /k/

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14690068

>>14690052
>so buttmad he felt the need to dig all the way down the pages to respond

>> No.14690089

>> The second being where does it say Telion's ability is so great he takes into account the curvature of the planet when making shots?

Modern day snipers today already do so, because of the extreme range of possible engagement with .50 rounds.

>> No.14690118

hey guys op is mistaken case i herd that sniper do math for the bend of the planet wen shooting at long range. i lerned this in class last week and im in 3rd grad

>> No.14690152

>>14690118
It's a poor day for your argument when you have to pretend to be an idiot to undermine your opponent's stance.
Anyway, I'm with >>14683696. Every codex plays up their army via propaganda, generally of the flavor the group carries.

>> No.14690184

>>14690152
Im sorry, there was an argument? And here I was just having fun. :(

APPARENTLY SNIPERS BEND BULLETS LIKE THAT MOVIE GUYS DID YOU HEAR?

>> No.14690190

Codex Blood Angels states that "Blood Angels live longer than the average marine" implying better
A recent white dwarf story stated "If Astorath the Grim was killed the Blood Angels would quickly succumb to black rage thus depriving humanity of it's greatest defenders"

Don't get so fucking butthurt that authors wank off their own fluff. Even if you accept it as Canon it'll be changed by next edition either way. I prefer to see the unit entries as the unnecessary story telling that takes place in armies etc. "My dad's bigger than your dad."

>> No.14690196

>>14690184
If you want to get technical, they account for the bend the earth, wind, gravity, Coriolis effect, and whatnot put into their shot and then fire off-target so it's corrected into them. Think curving a golf ball on an embankment to sink a long putt.

>> No.14690202

>>14690196
Fucking miracles.

>> No.14690217

>> The second being where does it say Telion's ability is so great he takes into account the curvature of the planet when making shots?

Every sniper today allready does that.

>> No.14690226

>>14690190

>the unnecessary story telling that takes place in armies

Weirdly enough this has become an all too common practice, not even limited to 40k as warmahordes etc, practically every wargame, does it.

>> No.14690228

>>14690089
But they'd be better at it if they just accepted Guilliman as their spiritual liege

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14690229

The Codex Astartes is a meter tall and 30cm thick.

>the_more_you_know.png

>> No.14690260

>>14690229

And basically a strategy and tactics flowchart that can be memorized.
Savage Weapons is awesome, isn't it?

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But some codices are balanced without being ridiculous.
Codex: Dark Eldar undoubtably plays up the protagonists, they have biological immortality, insane weapons, and fuck shit up. But their rules are balances,whilst it may seem insane during some games, if you shoot the raiders out from under you it's dead. It even allows flexibility in the lists and has good minis.
THAT is a good codex, don't give me shit about Wards shit "being balanced" or "regular levels of OP", coz that's horse wank, everyone hates it, people admire the new Phil Kelly codex. Just because the people who use it have the tactical ability of an ape doesn't make it "balanced".

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>>14690229
BUT OHN WECH PAEGE IS NEHMED THE MANOOVER "STEEL REHN!?"

>> No.14690403

All the Ward hate is seriously becoming pathetic. Besides, each codex is written from the perspective of the army that is described within so it's not really suprising that it's always described as the best thing ever.
Oh and /tg/, stop pretending you hate Ward so much, you just hate marines. If he wrote the new eldar codex or something like that and made rediculous characters that slaughter whole populations alone you cheer for more

>> No.14690432

>>14690403
>Oh and /tg/, stop pretending you hate Ward so much, you just hate marines.

Not so, there was plenty of rage piled up when somebody hinted that Ward might tackle Necrons next.

>> No.14690470

>>14690432
I doubt it will cause even 1/10 of the rage usually associated with his marine codicies.

>> No.14691187

>>14690403
Poor attempt at justifying the putting Ultramarines all over in a codex about pretty much all standard space marines chapters, and it DEFINITELY does not justify the existence of Dreadknights.

Face it, the Matt Ward hate is perfectly reasonable. What you're saying is basically it's ridiculous to hate somebody because he killed somebody dear to you. We don't hate the marines, we hate Matt Ward, and for perfectly good reasons too. What, you want us to stop hating C.S Goto too?

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