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>humans get extra at-will power
>humans get +1 to all saves
>humans get extra feat
>humans get extra training

IS THERE ANY REASON TO NOT PLAY A HUMAN IN 4E

>> No.13685922

besides the whole roleplaying thingie?

>> No.13685924

Maybe I don't want to?

>> No.13685933

rolled 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 5, 5, 4, 6, 6, 2, 4, 5, 1, 2, 4, 6 = 60

I personally like racial encounter powers and the feats that enhance them, humans get a few utility racial feats and thats it.

>> No.13685935
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>>13685922
>roleplaying
>4e

>> No.13685936

>>13685924
>>13685922

have fun with ur useless characters who cnt kill a kobld

iv beaten about 5 campaigns now with human paladin, beat that

>> No.13685937

Yes, sometimes all that just isn't as good as the extra +2

>> No.13685938
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13685938

Because elves, OP.

>> No.13685944
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13685944

>>13685904
Vanity

>> No.13685945
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13685945

>elves get immunity to difficult terrain
>elves get +2 to TWO stats
>elves get to reroll an attack power once per encounter

IS THERE ANY REASON TO NOT PLAY AN ELF IN 4E?

>> No.13685947

>>13685935
>>Roleplaying
>>determined by stats not player
>>laughinggirls.png

>> No.13685950
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13685950

Because Orcs, OP.

>> No.13685954

>>13685936
3/10
Would be trolled again.

>> No.13685957
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13685957

Because gentleman skeletons, OP.

>> No.13685962
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13685962

Because Evil Gnomes, OP.

>> No.13685967

I know this is gonna devolve into an edition shitstorm, but w/e

A couple:

The first is the obvious: Roleplaying. Being a human bard might not be as interesting as being a Gnome Bard, or a thuggish Half-Orc Rogue might suit you more than a Human Rogue.

The second is ability bonuses: For some classes, things like extra At-Will's or even a bonus feat aren't quite as important as getting +2 to both of your key stats. This is rare, but it can happen

Some racial abilities are pretty amazing - especially with the feats that can buff them. Even the passives such as the Dwarf Stability or Elven "Fuck your terrain" can be neat, and the activated ones are usually at least as good as having another at-will.

>> No.13685970

>>13685945
hurrr y be immune to diff. terrein when you cn just go around it idiot plus u only need 3 stats out da game so 2 stat bonuses is stupd when u can ge gear,. an y reroll atk pwr when u have an extr at woll

>> No.13685972
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13685972

Because Lizard Tits, OP.

>> No.13685975
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13685975

Because Tieflings, OP.

>> No.13685977

+2 to only one stat
Trust me, that can hurt a lot.

Not every class can make use of an extra at-will.

Some of the racial abilities/feats of non-humans are really, really good. For instance, Dwarves are awesome for any front-line class due to being able to second wind as a minor action (meaning they can use their one-time heal without giving up their attack for that round) and having tons of great racial feats. Kobolds have no racial feats and are Small besides, but their racial ability to shift 1 square as a minor action makes them top-tier all by itself (though you'd have to be pretty familiar with 4e combat to understand exactly why). That opportunity cost varies by class and build, but it's definitely there.

Make no mistake, humans are a VERY good race in 4e. There isn't a single class they're bad at. But if you name a class, there's probably another race which is even better with it mechanically.

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13685989

>>13685975

Why hello there....

>> No.13685994

>>13685975
That crossbow is impossible...IMPOSSIBLE GEOMETRY, TWO LEGS TWO LEGS

>> No.13686003
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13686003

Because Kitsune, OP.

>> No.13686012

>>13686003
What book are kitsune in?

>> No.13686023

I don't have a pic, but because Shardmind Tree Warden with 200 waterskins wielding a lumberjack axe, OP.

We got rocks and trees and trees and rocks and rocks and trees and trees and rocks and rocks and trees and trees and rocks and rocks and trees and trees and rocks and.......WATEEEER....in Canada!

>> No.13686027

I bet a furry wouldn't want to play a human.

>> No.13686032

>>13685975
I've always been curious as to whether crossbows like that would actually function accurately. When the bow is fired, wont the bolt fall down into the gap? I know theres the little loop bit that the bolt goes though, but the tail end is still going to be loose and not actually resting against anything other than the bowstring.
Anyone care to comment?

>> No.13686034

>>13685977
dwrvs r stupid, u r stupid if u ever roll dwrf. th one time i rolled darf i only eber won 1 campgn

>> No.13686041

>>13686034

0/10. Far too obvious.

>> No.13686045

>>13685938

what is this from?

>> No.13686046
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13686046

Because Hengeyokai, OP.

>> No.13686048

>>13686032
It would not. There is no place for the bolt to rest.

>> No.13686060

>>13686012
Oriental adventures, I guess?

>> No.13686070

>>13686045
/tg/ went off on a 'elves raised by x race' kick a while back.

>> No.13686071

>>13686012
Yiffing power: New options for Furries, Otherkin, Zoophiles, and F40PHs.

>> No.13686080

>>13686046
I want to umm...Oh wait, aren't you done by someone who also does rape porn.

*Ahem* *Zip*

>> No.13686082

>>13685967
>For some classes, things like extra At-Will's or even a bonus feat aren't quite as important as getting +2 to both of your key stats. This is rare, but it can happen
>>13685977
>Not every class can make use of an extra at-will.

Isn't 4E supposed to be the system that limits min-maxing to a strong extent by making it nigh impossible to be ineffective in combat? Because that sounds like much, much more significant power-gamer fodder than I've seen in basically any edition of any game. The fact that humans have something broad and vastly useful that is (largely) significantly better than any other race with the exception of the rare occasion in which both racial stats are useful...

That really doesn't seem like "balance" to me. Humans end up better than everyone else, unless the race has some broken encounter power (like Elven Accuracy) that's even more powergamey than an extra At-Will is.

>> No.13686088
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13686088

>Roleplaying

>D&D

>> No.13686107
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13686107

Because Halfling Rogues, OP.

>> No.13686113

>>13686088
Well yeah, you take a role like leader or defender, and play it!

>> No.13686121

>>13686082
>Humans end up better than everyone else
But they don't.

If you look at CharOp, humans are always a good choice, but almost never the *best* choice for a class.

>> No.13686123

>>13686088
Roleplaying is the player playing a character role, similiar to acting.

You can roleplay anything if you chose to.

>> No.13686136

Dragonborn
>Awesome healing surge value
>Dragonfear is amazing

Eladrin
>Free longsword prof
>+5 vs charm
>No sleep

Half Elf
>hueg racial feat pool
>Free at-will from ANY class (as encounter)

Halfling
>Small
>Force reroll of attack against you

Tiefling
>DEM FEATZ (why yes, I'd love to turn into a giant demon once a day)
>Resist to fire

Deva
>Best racial ability in the game
>Resist necrotic/radiant

Gnome
>Small
>Stealth if you have cover or concealment

Goliath
>Roll twice for Athletics to jump or climb
>Stone's Endurance is an amazing racial
>Goliath Weapon Prof is an amazing feat

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13686190

Because some kind of weird rat people, OP.

>> No.13686202
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13686202

Because Drow, OP.

>> No.13686209
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13686209

Because Trolls, OP.

>> No.13686230

Is there any reason to NOT PLAY A KENDER?!

>> No.13686236
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13686236

Because SPEEEEEESS, OP.

>> No.13686251

>>13686230
I'm out of pictures. Sorry.

>> No.13686278
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13686278

>>13686046
>Hengeyokai
>BunnyBard.jpg

9/10 WOULD RAGE AGAIN

ITS A MAGE.
A FUCKING MAGE
FROM RAGNAROK ONLINE.
THOSE AREN'T EVEN REAL EARS.
THEY ADD +2 LUK.

AUGHADLHGEHLG

>> No.13686281

because I play a human every day in Real Life, and it gets boring?

>> No.13686297

Nope. I always play one.

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13686300

because thsi

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13686318

>>13686278
I don't play RO.

>> No.13686325

>>13686278
>in my rage
>i post the sage
>instead of mage

GOD DAMN

>> No.13686338

because all races in 4e are designed to excel a particular class. All races, that is, except humans, which are designed to be just ok at whatever you want them to do. Dwarf fighter, kills everything. Halfling rogue, awesome. Dragonborn paladin, don't even get me started.

>> No.13686386

>>13686300

my DM never lets me use my corgi bard.

so the whole group must suffer drow loli

>> No.13686437
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13686437

Because of badass Dwarves, OP

>> No.13686450

>>13685938
Shit man. That picture needs to be updated now, to include Lily, the Elven Blackguard raised by a Human Blackguard.

>> No.13686456
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13686456

Play Human if you want...
>To be known as that race that breeds with anything
>If you want to stick your dick into other species with impunity
>Gahahaha, Good!

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13686487

>>13686437

Or better, a Pirate Dwarf, OP

>> No.13686515

>>13686082
Against MM3/Monster Vault monsters, with their lower defenses and HP but higher offensive power, a typical fight lasts 5 or 6 rounds, and you typically have 3 fights a day as standard. Now, by about level 10 you have 2 at-wills, 3 encounters, and 3 dailies. Since you can spare 1 daily per fight, use all your encounters, that leaves you with... 2 rounds worth of attacks. Add in most non-spellcasters don't have a large variety of at-will powers, and that extra at-will is looking very, very lame. Most CharOp types recommend humans use "Heroic Effort" from Essentials in place of the bonus at-will, in fact.

The bonus feat is nice, but Githzerai get Blade Mastery, which is like 2 Superior Weapon feats and Weapon Focus+1. Dwarves, Halflings, Elves, Eladrin, Goliaths, and Minotaurs all get similar "like these two feats but combined" which utterly negates the human bonus feat advantage.

A wilden gets +1 to any NAD, as well as +2 to two stats; the gap in defenses between humans and many other races really isn't that wide.

tl;dr sorry OP, humans are great generalists, but not very good specialists

>> No.13686525

>>13686450
A RIVAL!

Remind me, what are there names again? Sandwich I remember, and Keekee, but I can't remember the barbarian and cleric for the life of me...

>> No.13686532

>>13686525
Oh for FUCKS sake, I type that, then go to look at the pic, and realize it's different from the one I've got because IT HAS THEIR NAMES ON IT and I didn't see then in the thumbnail. Disregard, cocks, etc.

>> No.13686549

>>13686525
They are in the picture. Violet and Goldentusk. To be honest, I only remember sandwich. I gotta lurk some more.

to the sup /tg/ mobile!

>> No.13686612

every other race gets +2 to 2 stats instead of 1. Fail

>> No.13686782

I really don't care I just like playing as humans. If you plan your character well that +2 to stats doesn't really matter that much cause in the end it all depends on the luck with the dices. As long as you enjoy your character it's all OK. But that +1 to all saves is really nice bonus and extra feat always helps. When I'm not playing human I always miss that extra feat.

>> No.13686840

>>13686450
Got a thread for that one? Never heard of her before.

>> No.13688668

>>13686386
Are you using those stats for your corgi, or the proper stats? Because most DMs would probably want the proper stats.

>> No.13688703

>>13685904
I think WotC put all those in because they wanted people to not just skip humans and think "Meh, humans. I know! I want to be a motherfucking fairy!!1!"

>> No.13689097

Because not everything is about min/maxing. Or maybe it is to you, because your life is so fucked up that making an ├╝ber character tailored for perfection, gives you the little sense of control your otherwise miserable existence utterly lacks.

>> No.13689123
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13689123

>roleplaying
>4e
>animooted

>> No.13689137
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13689137

Because kobo-
Oh, right. No real stats for kobolds as a player race in 4e.

>> No.13689196

What I'd love to see is some Aasimar stats.

>> No.13689204

>>13689196
Aasimar were replaced with devas because aasimar sounds too much like "ass." When I read this in the developer diaries I definitely stopped caring about Slavisek or his horrible halfbreed wargame.

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13689229

>>13689137
Like you need stats beyond what they get in the MM.

Shifty is fucking disgusting. Those guys are evil.

>> No.13689239

>>13689204

What's the difference, name aside?

>> No.13689250

>>13689239
The Deva are celestials who have been reincarnated (or chosen to reincarnate?) as mortals for some reason. But hey, they gutted my Planescape, why should I expect ANY planetouched to wind up in any way the same?

>> No.13689262

>>13686515
>Most CharOp types recommend humans use "Heroic Effort" from Essentials in place of the bonus at-will, in fact.

Exception for Human Monks and Psionic classes, though. Psionic classes get the best deal there, since it functionally gives them a free encounter power.

>> No.13689290

>>13689137
And that's one of the reasons why I'm not all that interested in 4E. Call me when I can have my hard mode reptilian master race.

LA -1 (BY WHY I MEAN YOU MUST HAVE ONE FEWER LEVEL THAN EVERYTHING ELSE)

PENALIZES TO MOST IF NOT ALL OF YOUR STATS

A PITTANCE OF HP

>Shifty is fucking disgusting. Those guys are evil.
...but knowing how 4E works, as a PC race they'd probably be of equal effectiveness to all the other races. Which would honestly inspire more rage in me than anything else I could possibly think of.

>> No.13689358

>>13689204
As opposed to how TSR changed Angels into Aasimar 18 years before that.

>> No.13689364

>>13689204
>Aasimar was replaced by Devas
Because Aasimars are totally like Devas, amirite?

No. It annoys the fuck out of me that there are Tieflings that are Tieflings, but no fucking Aasimar. Likewise, feel free to introduce Cambions or whatever the fuck you want as a counterpoint to Devas.

>> No.13689371

>>13689229
not to get off topic but sauce on pic?

>> No.13689372

>>13689229
Look at any base race page.
Look at the kobold page.

Yeah.

No.

>> No.13689404

>>13689364
4E Tieflings have nothing in common with earlier Tieflings other than the name.

>> No.13689408

>>13689204
I want celestial planetouched, just like Tieflings are infernal planetouched.

Devas are nothing like this.

>> No.13689417

>>13689404
Tieflings are still mortals with infernal heritage. Yes, they are fluffed horribly in that they exhibit very clear demonic traits now, but it's basically the same concept.

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13689433

>>13686034
>>13685970
>>13685936

>> No.13689453

>>13685977
>Not every class can use the extra at-will

Don't forget about Heroic Effort as a trade off for the Extra At-Will. +4 to an attack 1/encounter. Not a full reroll but if you attack missed you can give it a much better chance of hitting. I'll take it.

>> No.13689468

>>13689408
I never claimed they were. The designers did, and said they did not include the aasimar as a race because they sound too much like ass - but hey, look, Devas right? This is not my logic.

>> No.13689512

>>13689290
LA -1 would reduce their effective level.
a 14th level kobold with LA +1 == ECL 15.
a 14th level kobold with LA -1 == ECL 14.

faggot.

>> No.13689589

>>13689468
Sorry, I wasn't saying that you said it as such. I was just saying that it was a retarded rationale and that I fucking want Aasimar.

I don't care about it sounding like ass. I have a flaming fucking sword and I'm going to stab the shit out of evil. With golden eyes of fiery justice.

>> No.13689621

Didn't someone make custom Aasimar rules, though?

>dansa not
I promise I won't, captcha.

>> No.13689753

>>13689364
Actually, with a heritage feat, any race can be an Aasimar. Deva Heritage means you were (somehow) sired by a Deva or Angel, and gives you +2 Perception and Insight when dealing with Immortals and the ability to light up once a day, just like Aasimar can.

>> No.13689860

>>13689512
>LA -1
>(BY WHY I MEAN YOU MUST HAVE ONE FEWER LEVEL THAN EVERYTHING ELSE)

I know it's a bit early in the morning to expect total reading comprehension, but come on. Really.

>> No.13691817

>>13686450

Hmm...any idea or pointers what she looks like?

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