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"Kaurava was a slaughter! A slaughter caused by the incompetence of Indrick Boreale."

I wanted Cyrus to be the traitor, but I got Jonah, instead.
However, I would not be surprised at all if Cyrus turned out to be the canon traitor.

>> No.13632953
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SPESS MEHREENS, WE HAFV FEHLED THE EMPRAH!!

>> No.13632954

>>13632935
He's not though

>> No.13632964

>cyrus and martelous have been confirmed as non traitors
>Jonah probably not
>tarkus and avitus and force commander are possible

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rolled 3, 9, 19, 15, 15, 2, 20, 10, 3, 7, 4, 13, 9, 18, 20, 15, 15, 14, 5, 6 + 20 = 242

he's playable in retribution.

>> No.13632989

>>13632954
>he's not though
uh, yeah he is.
im not sure why relic chucked out all that money for steve blum just to give him the role of the guy who doesnt make it into the sequel

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Well, being a Blood Raven you do have to be really incompetence.

Im looking at you, the guy in the cutscene of Dawn of War.

>> No.13633020

>>13632989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Dawn_of_War_II_%E2%80%93_Chaos_Rising#Canon_Endin
g

>Cyrus and Jonah are not the traitor
Fuck you, Relic
Fuck you for bringing back the shittiest squads in the whole game.

They had better not make the traitor be fucking Tarkus, I would flip my shit.

>> No.13633045

>>13633003
Speaking of which, do any /tg/ bros play Dark Crusade?

>> No.13633049

>>13633003
>you do have to be really incompetence
Are you ESL?

>> No.13633054

>>13633003

The monolith! We destroy that and this is all over!

>> No.13633072

>>13633003
Dude, did you miss the part where the Predator is destroyed by artillery? They HAD to charge, it was a fucking crossfire.

Besides, he planted the beacon.

>> No.13633077

>>13633045
I do.
Used to play Crons until they nerfed them in SS.
I don't play SS, by the way. Never bought it, never plan to play it, ever.

>> No.13633081

>>13633054
Yeah, that was really dumb.
I would've ordered a retreat and regroup.

>> No.13633127

>>13633020
>Fuck you for bringing back the shittiest squads in the whole game.

Cyrus had his uses, demolishing buildings, counter sniping and the like.
Jonah I will give you though.

If anything I found Thaddeus to be more useless with the speed at which he died later on. Even when you give him terminator armour, the nerf he takes to movement speed reduces any gains you might have gotten.

That said, none are as good as the FC - Thulebot - Tarkus - Avitus master race.

Although it always struck me as odd at just how weak Avitus's Assault Cannon was when he was in terminator armour, but the Cyclone Missile Launcher more than made up for that.

>> No.13633138

>>13633003
Let me put a new light on the Dawn of War opening, that may make it seem less stupid. However, this is just conjecture, you do not have to accept this.

What if the flag was a beacon for the drop pods? That would change the line "Reinforcements are en route" from a "Its gonna be ok" tone to a "get your ass in gear" tone. they needed to charge out there, otherwise the drop pods would have landed far off target.

And by the way, Cyrus and Jonah are the best squads in the game.

>> No.13633141

>>13633072
This. They got the point, and there were no Ork forces in the area to counterattack.
Remember, in DoW1 your troops' lives don't matter. At all. You just buy more.

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>>13633049

Nope, I just didn't proof read.

>>13633072

But charge Orks? Also the drop pods were inbound.

>> No.13633153

>>13633054
There were 4 predators backing those guys up, they were in the background.

>> No.13633191

>>13633138
>And by the way, Cyrus and Jonah are the best squads in the game.

0/10

>> No.13633201

>>13633191
Thule, man.
Thule.

>> No.13633202

>>13633145
> drop pods were inbound.
>>13633138
>What if the flag was a beacon for the drop pods?

>> No.13633212

>>13633191

Who is though? Tarkus?

>> No.13633218

>>13633191
I'm actually serious. If you upgrade Jonah, give him a certain psychic hood and give him ignite soul and smite, he is firing off a ton of free powers every few seconds, no more micro managing needed.

Cyrus is a beast once his melee skill allows him to use accessories with energy costs, and he can use them while infiltrated, add a sniper rifle that has no reload time, and he can wipe entire maps.

>> No.13633230

>>13633127
I dunno man. Cyrus became a gamebreaker in Chaos Rising once he got the Demolitions Expert and a pack of Cluster Mines. Just keep on spamming them and putting on a trollface. Reason for Jonah was for less/no cooldown.

>> No.13633242

>>13633212
>Who is though?

Has to be Thule, surely.

>> No.13633243

>>13633212

Tarkus' ability to keep throwing grenades is quite useful. I don't know if I would call him the best if he isn't then he's a close second for his sheer versatility.

>> No.13633246

tarkus is pretty obviously the traitor. Tainted Bolter and Tainted Power ARmor, both of which are Tarkus only items, both of which you have no choice in getting while you play

Also, how bad do you have to be at games to have Thaddeus die often? Nevermind that his best abilities come from high health stats, if you're not a retard he is Aerial Assault-ing so often that any enemies near him are as airborne as often as he is.

>> No.13633278

>tarkus is pretty obviously the traitor

I don't know. He's the most emotionally stable of the lot of them. He rattles off the Codex Astartes like a pro, he's always tactically minded and he just seems to generic marine to be "lol, evil". But I'm biased cause I love the big bald bastard. He's a bro.

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>>13633246
> tarkus is pretty obviously the traitor. Tainted Bolter and Tainted Power ARmor, both of which are Tarkus only items, both of which you have no choice in getting while you play

But it's mentioned in Diomedes' biography on the site that Tarkus was the one that convinced him to let the FC go without a fight. It doesn't confirm he's not the traitor, but we're hearing very little on the Avitus or Thaddeus front.

>> No.13633299

>>13633246

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying he requires a lot more micro than say Avitus or Tarkus, who you can generally leave to their own devices with the occaisional healthpack or tactical stance or whatnot.

>> No.13633300

>>13632935
I think that Avitus will end up being the canon traitor.

http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/retribution/campaign/spacemarine
>Diomedes [was blind] to Kyras's true nature until Tarkus finally opened his eyes late in the Chaos Rising campaign.
That could establish Tarkus as a loyalist. We also know that Cyrus and Martellus are loyal, so that leaves Thaddeus and Avitus.

>> No.13633304

>>13633278
His traitor speech was incredibly well done, he wasn't so much going "lolchaos" as he was going "I need to change the chapter, and this is the only option."

>> No.13633330

>>13633278
>He's the most emotionally stable of the lot of them.

Either that, or the best at hiding his crazy. Also, a lot of people are seduced into Chaos because they think that they can use it for good ends - which was Tarkus' whole motivation, right? That he could use the power of Chaos to save the Chapter from dying out, but would shoulder the corruption alone by being the only one who would actually worship it?

>> No.13633334

>>13633300
>Thaddeus

Thaddeus just, doesn't seem all that subtle to be the traitor you know? What was his traitor speech like? Was it basically like "You fools! I was actually a master actor this whole time MWAHAHAHAHAHA" [twirls mustache]

>> No.13633366

>>13633304
>>13633330

I hate you two for making me start to doubt Tarkus. Oh well, time will tell.

>> No.13633377

>>13633334
Yeah, of all the people Avitus seems the most likely. Thaddeus' whole deal was he was too 'human' and sentimental, it'd be a bit hard to wrangle him into an actual opposing character working with the Black Legion for the Retribution campaign when his main motivation for treachery would presumably be 'I want to make everyone be nice' or something.

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NO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

YOU ARE THE TRAITOR!

Then everybody is a heretic.

>> No.13633380

No, that was Martellus. Thaddeus' was basically "I HAD NO CHOICE"

Cyrus was the most pathetic traitor though. Every other word of his was YOU FOOLS

Avitus, Tarkus, and Jonah had the only traitor speeches worth a damn. None of the others had an ounce of production value.

>> No.13633404

>>13633380
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXIQAKq6VEE&feature=related
>dat avitus ;_;

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>>13633379

>> No.13633493

>>13633404
This right here is why Avitus should be the traitor. His betrayal was the best acted and made the most sense.

>> No.13633500

>>13633334
Thaddeus' betrayal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBY_VRyq0M0

I could see him as the enemy, because his speech WASNT "lolchaos"

>> No.13633520

Gonna be Tarkus fo sho.

>> No.13633544
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Who is The Ancient?

>> No.13633552

>>13633544
Force Commander.

>> No.13633554

>>13633500
Thaddeus was more because of his naivete, he thought that only he would have to pay for his actions- he did act out of selflessness, but he didnt think or realize what the true consequences of conspiring with Chaos would be.

>> No.13633561

>>13633493
>Avitus betrayal
>makes sense
>lol u guise imma sooooo pissed

Tarkus gonna heratics

>> No.13633564

>>13633544
Boreale.

Seriously though, will Diomedes talk? Cause his voice actor is fucking awesome. I certainly hope he won't be silent all campaign like Vanilla Ice. And I wonder how Kyras will sound.

>> No.13633566

>>13633544

Boreale.

He secretly survived.

>> No.13633582

>>13633566
>>13633564
Borealemind.

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>my face when I never finished a DoW2 campaign because the gameplay was so boring and repetitive

>>13633077
That's funny because Necrons in DC 1.2 are weak in skilled games.

>> No.13633595

>>13633561
After serving the chapter for centuries he discovered that everything he believed in was a lie. His entire life was revealed as a sham. Wouldn't you be just a little pissed in his position?

>> No.13633651

>>13633586
lol no

In 1.2 something like 8 of the top 10 were Necron smurf accounts.

serv4nt fucking hated Necrons and rode them up to like #4 spot, barely even trying just to prove it.

They got overnerfed in SS but they were still on the borderline between "good" and "imba" in 1.2.

>> No.13633660
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If Tarkus or Avitus are the traitor I'm going to be fucking pissed.

Tarkus adheres strictly to Guilliman's Codex

Of the Tactical Space Marine, bedrock of his Chapter and paragon to his brothers, I shall tell thee.

He shall be steeped in the lore of battle and schooled in all manner of weapon and strategy. With combat blade, boltgun and grenade he shall assail the foe. But these are mere tools: a Tactical Marine's true weapons are his courage, his wits, and his dedication to his brothers.

He will bring his foe to battle in a manner and time of his choosing, never himself caught unready or ill-prepared for the task at hand. In defence he shall be stalwart as the mountain, a bulwark stood firm against the enemies of Man. In attack he shall strike with the wrath of the Immortal Emperor, felling the foe without mercy, remorse, or fear.

So does Avitus.

A Devastator's reach shall be without limit and his touch without mercy. Fire shall roar from his fingertips, but it shall consume him not. Thunder will roar when he calls, yet it will swallow him not.

Let the Devastator squad be thy blazing wrath, bringing the light of the Emperor's justice to the darkest corners of the battlefield. Wherever he stands, that shall be his fortress of righteousness. He shall hold in his gift the fate of all who pass before his unblinking gaze.

All shall fear him, and he shall fear no one.

>> No.13633677

Cyrus looks like a molestor.

>> No.13633737

>>13633660
Avitus was consumed, however. All the trappings of his calling were stripped away by the revelations of Kyras to leave a singular, bloody truth. Slaughter is all there is in existence.

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PROTECT THE ANCIENT
STRIKE DOWN OUR FOES

>> No.13633743

>>13633737
Sounds like somebody just broke through the fourth wall.

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>>13633737

!

>> No.13633751

>>13633677
Why'dya think he hangs around primarily with the scouts?

>> No.13633761

Cyrus is a playable character. Check the Retribution website.

>> No.13633781

>>13633751
"Cyrus is no fool, given 100 years there will be no blood raven who has not been touched by him"

>> No.13633793

>>13633660
>So does Avitus.
>A Devastator's reach shall be without limit and his touch without mercy. Fire shall roar from his fingertips, but it shall consume him not. Thunder will roar when he calls, yet it will swallow him not.
But no, in a metaphorical sense the fire and thunder /did/ consume him- when he turns traitor he's become so taken with his killin's that he began to lose sight of its purpose (witness his contempt for unaugmented humans when as a Marine his entire reason for being is to protect them), and when Kyras shows him that the chapter is a pillar of lies the only thing he has left is his martial skill. He's definitely a sensible choice.

Just looked at the various traitor videos on youtube and it's a shame they didn't really elaborate enough on Cyrus, he had the great potential to turn into a Tzeentchian plot-master but his schemes and the reason for turning were never really outlined.

>> No.13633905

>>13633677
ALL men are potential molestors. So well. Duh. But the same thing with the rest of the characters.

>> No.13633930

Question:

Just bought the THQ pack during Steam Sale, and as such, got the DoWII games. I can do fine in the campaign, and as Spess Mahreens and Chaos in multiplayer (Probably on account OF the campaign), but virtually every other race is just beyond me.

How do I not suck at ORKIE BOYZ and Tyranids. They're my favourite armies fluff-wise, but I'm so terrible at them, even against the AI.

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I vote Jonah for traitor
Because Fucking Psykers

>> No.13633941

>>13633742
>PROTECT THE ANCIENT
>GIVE HIM A PLASMA GUN SO HE CAN INEVITABLY BLOW HIMSELF UP

>> No.13633943

>>13633936
Too predictable and too simple. Psyker got possessed? Boring. An idealogical fall is the best fall.

>> No.13633948

Its Tarkus because he's leader of the generic space marines team and is thus easily replaceable without any second thought.

That's of course besides the strong hints we get from blighted bolter and the like.

Deal with it fanboy.

>> No.13633955

>>1363393
>I CANT READ HOW DID I TYPE THIS? OH GOD WHAT IS GOING ON
kill yourself

>> No.13633957

>>13633948
That'd make it the worst option. It's boring because he's so easily replaceable. You want the traitor to be someone you care about losing.

>> No.13633973

>>13633957
You haven't read any part of this tread have you? Or do you just lack every single possible form of reading comprehension?

>> No.13634003

>>13633973
What are you on about? All I've read regarding Tarkus is that he convinced Diomedes of something. I'm just stating why I think he'd be a poor choice for the canon traitor.

>> No.13634025

>>13634003
Your reason that he would be a bad traitor is because you say that nobody cares about him...

But from this thread we can see that people do care about him. And one of the most valuable team members. And more can be mentioned...

You are a fucking retard.

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>>13633793
I still think that Thaddeus is more likely to be the traitor than Avitus is.

Avitus' speech was "lolangry, killing chaos"
While he has a lot of angry rants, they never went outside of his duty. Thaddeus often made remarks about wanting to do something outside of their mission, such as when he demands to be sent on the spire mission, or when Tarkus has to bring him back to reason.

Thaddeus is more susceptible to the trickery of Chaos, just as occurred in his betrayal speech. He felt he knew better than his chain of command, because he is young, brash and impetuous.

>> No.13634051

>>13634025
See the guy I was responding to? He made a point of saying that Tarkus was the bland, boring one. I somewhat agree with him. I have some fondness for Tarkus, but not as much as I have for other characters.

Furthermore, chill out and quit getting mad, bro.

>> No.13634065

>>13634051
Wow you really are retarded

>> No.13634068

>>13634040
He's another good choice, but Avitus' betrayal worked best for me. It all fell apart when Kyras told him to help Eliphas. That's why he's mostly alright during Dawn of War 2.

>> No.13634076

I liked Thaddeus' betrayal.
His reasoning was clear, and he turned to chaos because he saw it as the only choice.
Because of that, he must be destroyed.

>> No.13634091

>>13633930
I'll just try to bring attention to my question once

>> No.13634093
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You aren't Ultra enough.

>> No.13634112

>>13633544
>>13633544
this screenshot right here proves that Tarkus is the betrayer.

There's no reason to have 2 seargents for the same squad.

The Ancient is a Tactical Space Marine. So is Tarkus.

Tarkus is the traitor.

>> No.13634119

I suspect Thule being the traitor....

you don't know what he's doing inside the Dreadnought

>> No.13634131

>>13634119

Talking really slow?

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>>13634076
The problem with Thaddeus's betrayal is that the characters whine about how he's "so young to be a Space Marine" and for, like, 4 straight dialogue chats, Thaddeus acts like a punish loner teenager repeatedly crying "you don't understand! You weren't there, you don't know what it was like! /wrist"

Cyrus's betrayal was my favorite reason, but ultimately, Tarkus and Jonah are the most likely traitors. However, since we heard Jonah's voice in the Retribution Imperium vs. Chaos trailer, it MIGHT not be him.

People say Avitus should be the traitor because he was too bloody, but he HATES traitors and turncoats. I doubt it was him.

Force Commander could not have been the traitor. That's stupid. *sigh* However, I wouldn't put it past Relic, as all the other characters had voices and faces, whereas Eff Sea Vanilla Ice was just a face. Easy to replace.

Tarkus, because, well, Tarkus. The most DELICIOUS traitor. No other character has items detailing their descent into Chaos. It must (read: it should) be Tarkus.

>> No.13634138

>>13634091
I've only just started playing DoW2, and I pretty much suck at it, but I'm really digging Hormagaunts for the Tyranids. Once you've upgraded them with Adrenal Glands they're quite good at cutting up enemy infantry. Two broods, in addition to the single free one you get upon starting, are my first purchases.

Try and get a unit of both types of Warrior and a Zoanthrope and keep them close to the rest of your army, as the Synapse buffs they give are a big help.

Also, dat Alpha Lictor. With Leap and Feeder Tendrils, he's like a blender tied onto a pogo-stick, goddamn.

>> No.13634139

Avitus seems like the best traitor to me. sure Thaddeus' brash recklessness makes the most sense but Avitus' just struck a chord in me.

The whole realization that the Imperium is nothing but a dictatorship built on blood, death and intolerance and that the universe is really just a sick sandbox for cruel gods and powers to toy with you 24/7. Avitus basically learned what we as 40k fans know.

That angry hopelessness that enveloped Avitus as he realized he's smack-dab in the middle of this perpetual shitfest.. it's poignant.

>> No.13634146

>>13634112
The Ancient is not a Tactical Space Marine, he just plays like one.

He doesn't lead a squad. He leads himself.

>> No.13634163

Avitus made little sense as the traitor, but had the best traitor scenes. That's how I've felt about it.

I think Tarkus will probably end up as the canon traitor, and that doesn't really bother me. Mindlessly quoting the Codex doesn't mean you understand it, after all.

>> No.13634182

>>13634146

That means he'll probably be useless, because of no ablative wounds (read: squad members).

>> No.13634184

>>13634163

Yeah I mean, what power could honestly be worth betraying the chapter and your brothers?

>> No.13634187

>>13634068
>Avitus' betrayal worked best for me. It all fell apart when Kyras told him to help Eliphas.

Avitus' didn't make sense to me.
I understand that he was upset when he discovered that the Chapter he had believed in was corrupted to the core, but what was the spark that drove him to cooperate, and go along with it?
Through both games he was upset when he thought someone was lacking courage, or faltering in the execution of the Emperor's will.
Where is his incentive to leap from, "The Chapter Master is a heretic? We must purge him, too!" to, "The Chapter Master is a heretic? Well, I guess I should ally with Chaos like he tells me to!"

>> No.13634188

>>13634146
And? Gameplay dictates story.

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>>13634091
Practice, my man. Practice lots.

For really easy practice with Orks, start your build pattern with Sluggas-Shootas. Two Slugga Boy squads running together is good early-game punch, except again Heretics with their Slalalalalalaensh explosion.
I personally go with the Kommando Nob all the way, since early on, before the There Is Only War update, I'd get shuriken cannoned constantly, and needed the early grenades to disrupt the weapon teams.

For the 'nids, practice first with the Hive Tyrant and Ravenor Alpha. They're not too different in principle from Orks -- not saying my description for Orks will also work for 'nids, but get some practice in. You know they're assaulty armies, so play them that way.

>> No.13634210

>>13634187

Look at it as an elaborate murder-suicide plan, and Avitus' actions end up a bit more understandable.

>> No.13634231

I've only played through the Chaos Rising campaign once, so I don't know every detail.
Is the traitor random from game to game, or is it based on their individual corruption?

I seem to recall avoiding all corruption while playing, and the traitor turned out to be that one techmarine.
It actually took me a while before I discovered that that ending wasn't the same for everyone.

>> No.13634241

>>13634188
>Gameplay dictates story
hahaohwow.jpg
Did you notice how there isn't an Assault Marine squad? Clearly Thaddeus was the traitor.
How about the lack of a Devastator squad? Must be Avitus.

This is all speculation, until we find out in March.

>> No.13634253

>>13633793

>Just looked at the various traitor videos on youtube and it's a shame they didn't really elaborate enough on Cyrus, he had the great potential to turn into a Tzeentchian plot-master but his schemes and the reason for turning were never really outlined.

Cyrus was so anal pained because of Boreale killing all his scouts that he went heretic.

>> No.13634262

>>13634210
Pretty much this. It's very common in real life. You go nuts on people no-holds-bared with all the intention of offing yourself spectacularly at the end of it.

Makes a lot of sense to me going with Avitus' words. Like I said before it's the realization your entire existence is a joke, just another excuse to kill and kill some more. Avitus finally wanted out and he got it.

>> No.13634289

Still want to know the ancient.

>> No.13634292

>>13634241
>hurr
You do *not* see Assault or Devastator *squads*
You *do* see a Tactical Squad, or at least a Tactical Marine.

>> No.13634295

>>13634262
If Avitus would have succeeded in destroying the FC and his forces, he'd probably attack the surviving Black Legion.

And then the other Blood Ravens would appear... who of course are all traitor scum following Kyras.

And Avitus would keep fighting, sure, his tainted Terminator armour means he'll never be pure again... but Avitus wouldn't care, because his sins would be forgiven in death. He'd take the treasonous Blood Ravens AND the Black Legion into the grave.

>> No.13634300

>>13634187

Avitus didn't go lolheretic to join chaos, he did it so that his battle brothers would learn the truth and open their eyes at reality, the imperium, sucks.

>> No.13634320

>>13634112

The Ancient is not a tactical marine, he can play as an assault marine, or tactical marine, or devastator and anything inbetween, he's customization incarnate.

>> No.13634324

>>13634300
None of the traitors did. Tarkus did it to save the Chapter following Boreale's idiocy. Thaddeus did it to save himself and his brothers from the 'nids. Cyrus did it because he knows better than his superiors - maybe that counts. Jonah was possessed and didn't want to do it. Martellus comes closest to doing it for Chaos, but ultimately just wanted to survive.

>> No.13634328
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>>13634184
>"What power could honestly be worth betraying the chapter and your brothers?"

MANLY TEARS ;_;

>> No.13634332

>>13634320
...Huh. Didn't know that. My apologies.

>> No.13634333

>>13634300
>he did it so that his battle brothers would learn the truth and open their eyes at reality, the imperium, sucks.

Are you retarded?

He wanted to open their eyes about the Blood Ravens, about Kyras.
Not the Imperium.

The Aurelian subsector is basically buttfucknowhere on the Imperial map.

Even the local hiveworld hardly cares about the Imperium.

Why did you think Avitus would suddenly become an political activist?

>> No.13634346

I wish the games allowed more human storytelling. I mean most of us have read at least 1 Horus Heresy novel and it shows how diverse and casual space marines can be out of combat. I want Avitus to be the traitor and see Tarkus questioning himself and the Imperium in secret.

As it is now, you literally lose everything including fucking speaking rights the moment you're not "HURF DURF EMPRAH!" and your former brother instantly think you're a gigantic faggot shitbag.

>> No.13634347

>>13633544

>Who is The Ancient?

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?256782-THQ-Community-Day-Details!

"Q: Is the Ancient Boreale?
A: No answer. Is it the traitor? No idea. I believe it was mentioned that we find out the canon traitor at the end? Jeff Lydell was particularly tight lipped on this one – he doesn’t like spoilers"

It's boreale.

>> No.13634371

>>13634347

Let's think of the most fucked up Traitor possible.

Heres mine.

It's Gabriel.

>> No.13634372

Let's take a look-see at who we can rule out.

Cyrey, Martey and Jonesey - Confirmed for Retribution.

Avitus - He's angry as FUCK at all times. At one point in DoW: II he pretty much says, 'The chapter is lying! All we have left for us is killing and death.' He has no loyalty to the chapter as a whole, and could be convinced to side with the Chaos forces in it just to learn the truth/kill bitches/not be strung along.

Thaddeus - Brash and untempered, he often questioned the chapter and its motives, as well as his commanders. On the other side, his betrayal didn't feel right, and he's the main 'Human' boy in the cast.

Tarkus - Betrayal was amazing, items were given to him to MAKE him fall. An astartes with centuries of conflicts to haunt him and loyalty to the shapter-masters. Very likely the cannon traitor.

Force Commander - He might open his mouth and start screaming about blood and skulls, but we have no idea because we never hear him talk.

Thule - My body is DEEEAAAAAD!

>> No.13634388

>>13634371

Well, Gabriel is the one who warned the Inquisition about Kyras, Ordo hereticus sent Adrastia to investigate, then the Ordo malleus got bored and ordered exterminatus.

>> No.13634391

>>13634371
Its Apollo Diomedes.

>> No.13634405

>>13634372

Thule is killed at the beggining of the Chaos Campaign by Eliphas in Ret.

At least, he kills a "friend" of his, who else could it be?

>> No.13634406

>>13634371
>>13634347
It isn't Boreale. Boreale is dead.

We watched him die. He's dead. The Emperor didn't Eliphas him back to life. He's gone. Dead.

...And if it WAS Boreale, you know they'd bring in a new, not-as-hilariously-bad voice actor for him and ruin everything.

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>>13634406

>It isn't Boreale. Boreale is dead.

>We watched him die. He's dead.

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>>13634405
>Thule is killed at the beggining of the Chaos Campaign by Eliphas in Ret.
>Thule is killed

Please tell me you're trolling. Please.

>> No.13634439

>>13634435
He's trolling.

>> No.13634450

>>13634405

You're goddamn wrong, or lying, or a faggotty-ass-troll!
There's no way they'd get rid of Thu-
>Take him into any map.
>Solo the entire thing with him.
Oh hey there Balance-by-cannon. How's it going?

>> No.13634452

>>13634439
He better be. Thulenought's too cool to die.

>> No.13634457

>>13634405
You best be joking.

>> No.13634462

>>13634450

>canon
Herp

>> No.13634471

If the Ancient really is Boreale, and they make him a badass, I will give Relic my soul.

>> No.13634474

>>13634457
>>13634452
>>13634450
>>13634439
>>13634435

Wow.

Anyway, i'm not trolling, everyone kills an important character at the beggining of their campaign, Orks kill Autarch(we even see this in the IGN video), Tyranids kill Castor, Eliphas kills a "Friend" i am ASSUMING that said Friend is Thule. I'll find the sauce give me a sec.

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>>13634450
>Balance-by-cannon
>Balancing xeno population since Dawn of War 1
>Assault Cannon Dreadnoughts, heck yeah

>> No.13634490

Force Commander can't be the traitor.

Take a look at this, does this seem like the actions of somebody under the influence of Chaos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

>> No.13634492

>>13634471
Eh. I couldn't fucking believe they brought back Thule for DoW2- he was the worst of the FCs (Boreale was at least funny) and I just couldn't stand him. By the end of CR, I thought he was the best motherfucker in the Blood Ravens. Likewise, look how Eliphas went from smooth muthafucka to another 'tache twirling villain.

>> No.13634500

>>13634347
THERE WAS A PLASTIC WAX TRAILER?!?!?
I WASNT INFORMED SOMEONE IS GOING TO DIE FOR THIS!

>> No.13634504
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>>13634474

Who do the Blood Ravens kill?

>> No.13634510

>>13634474
>Tyranids kill Castor

Assuming he's not trolling, that means the DoW 2 campaign will be like Winter Assault's. If you were playing Destruction in that expansion, Gorgutz killed the IG General in the 2nd or 3rd mission. If you were playing Order, he'd survive til the fateful decision of who stems off the BBEG.

>> No.13634531

>>13634510
And THAT means we'll get to keep debating over which campaign's ending is the canonical one!

Those debates are fun, aren't they? Remember how the Imperial Guard were supposed to win Dark Crusade?

>> No.13634532

>>13634474
Yeah, and Nod blows up the White House and the Soviets conquer London.

In the end, only the Blood Ravens campaign will be canon.

>> No.13634534

Ok here's the sauce:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/01/22/hands-on-with-dowii-retribution/

"Relic have jammed in six unique story-lines across sixteen or so shared missions, and more RPG elements than a rocket factory. I played through nearly all the beginning missions, and what’s striking is that the stories are mutually exclusive; in each of the intro missions, your chosen band of heroes / rogues / horrors alien beyond Kieron’s darkest fantasies kill a character from another storyline and alter the plot fundamentally. The first boss the Freebooters face is the Elven Autarch – who they stomp Elf Jam whilst chatting casually to the Inquisitor about her hat; similarly the Tyranids make a nice snack of first Sergeant Merrick, then Lord General Castor of the Imperial Guard."

And here's the Thule thing:

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/blog-post/chaos-campaign-heroes

"The start of the Chaos Space Marine campaign in Dawn of War II: Retribution opens on the planet Typhon, where a heated battle is taking place with the Blood Ravens. Eliphas and his Chaos comrades are closing in on an old friend that he’s been tracking. It’s just the beginning of his mission to fulfill his bargain with Lord Abaddon."

>> No.13634545

>>13633020
>Fuck you for bringing back the shittiest squads in the whole game.

>Implying that the Scout squad wasn't the best ass-saving squad to have in the game, next to Jonah.

Also that damn sniper rifle Cyrus had....god damn that thing was awesome. Cut a LOT of time off a lot of boss encounters with his special shot.

>> No.13634549

>>13634532
>In the end, only the Blood Ravens campaign will be canon.

Unless Boreale is INDEED the Ancient.

>> No.13634550

>>13634500

Yes but it hasn't been released. We know it involves Gabriel, Terminators and a "familiar floating demon head"

>> No.13634565
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>>13634545
A fa/tg/uy once described Cyrus as Tellion + Exitus Rifle. He wasn't far off.
>>13633020
Jonah is not confirmed as playable in Ret.

>> No.13634570

>>13634504
>>13634504

"Q: Will Space Marines be forced to fight Imperial Guard and vice versa, ala Dark Crusade and Soulstorm, or will it be in keeping with the lore and they will be allies?
A: There are traitor guard (the 188th Xenobane or something) who send a Baneblade after you in the campaign, and the little of the game I played indicates there’s a shit ton of infighting. Basically, the whole place is consumed by the warp – and the Space Marine leadership stands divided. Diomedes’ kills a large chunk of space marines at one point for trying to level Calderis, and the biggest answer I got at the end of the mission is that they “answer to a higher power”. There are plenty of reasons for infighting at this point."
-relicnews thread

who knows.

>> No.13634580

>>13634510
>>13634534

This. You'll butcher your way through whoever you don't play as in the opening missions of Retribution.

>> No.13634581

>>13634534
>The first boss the Freebooters face is the Elven Autarch – who they stomp Elf Jam whilst chatting casually to the Inquisitor about her hat;
>Elven
>Elf
Y'know I just can't trust this guy.

>> No.13634593

>>13634565
Is that the sniper that fires every 2 seconds? That one made my day when I got it.

>> No.13634598

>>13634565

Jonah speaks in the Chaos Campaign trailer, he has his loyalist voice.

I don't understand why people don't like him, in the campaign he's just plain overpowered after you level him up.

>> No.13634606

>>13634581

Right, because Eldar are not elves.

>> No.13634613

>>13634598

He needs micro like a madcunt

>> No.13634614

>>13634598
Yes, as has been stated earlier, Jonah's voice is in the Ret trailer.
He is not confirmed as playable during the Space Marine campaign in Retribution.

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>>13634598

'Cause snowflakes be mad jelly of a strong brother.

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>>13634593
>Is that the sniper that fires every 2 seconds? That one made my day when I got it.

My pants are soaking, and it certainly isn't culinary cream, if you know what I mean.

>> No.13634641

I wonder if the Elfdar will keep DoW tradition since WA and be pants on head retarded.

>> No.13634657

>>13634641
The pathfinder hero complains about his people's reliance or prophecy and seers, apparently.

>> No.13634667
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>>13634641

Probably, look at her face it's like she's "hnnngh, i can predict to potato"

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>>13634641
Don't worry. They are.

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>>13634667
Autarchmind.

>> No.13634684

>>13634667
>>13634668

Autarchmind

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>>13634684
>>13634681

Autarchmind-mind

>> No.13634692

>>13634657
Figures. Only the elfdar who spends virtually his entire miserable life outside of Craftworld Elfdar life realizes just how full-retard his people are.

>Kneel Foronet
You heard Captcha, Foronet. KNEEL.

>> No.13634733

I hope I can make jet pack devastators now.

I just wanna try that out.

>> No.13634753
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>>13634667
>>13634668
>>13634681
>>13634684
>>13634689

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>>13634733

>> No.13634763
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13634763

What if the Acient is a inquisitorial boot?

>> No.13634774

>>13634733
>>13634755
Imagine giving them rocket launchers, and they just fire away while flying those jet packs.

>> No.13634776
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>>13634763

I'd forgive Relic for all their mistakes.

>> No.13634777

>>13634545

>the Scout squad was the best ass-saving squad to have in the game

I played FC, Tarkus, Avitus and Thaddeus.
By the end, they were all wearing Tactical Dreadnought armor- except for the FC, who was wearing the purple armor that's almost better than termie armor.
With all the +armor and damage reduction purity seals they had, my team was more or less invincible. It didn't matter how stealthy (or rather, un-stealthy) the suits made them, we could just march up the center and smash through the enemies.
Oh, and call in Arty Strikes on top of us, followed by the Divine Shield. That was fun.

>> No.13634789

>>13634774

>The Ancient actually gains a unique ability depending on what kind of weapon that he wields. When equipped with a Missile Launcher, for example, he gains the ability to fire a Frag Missile which is very effective against infantry units. With a Plasma Gun equipped he gains a Charged Shot ability to deliver a larger superheated ball of plasma, which will send enemy units flying. The Ancient’s versatility is truly tough to match.

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/blog-post/space-marine-campaign-heroes

Sounds like you're in luck.

>> No.13634791

>>13634565
>One year later, this rifle appeared among his gear

Blood Magpies until the end

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>>13634776
>>13634763
IS THE CROZIUS READY YET?????!!!!!!

>> No.13634806

>>13634504

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/blog-post/space-marine-campaign-heroes

"The Space Marine campaign in Dawn of War II: Retribution begins ten years after the events of Chaos Rising. The end of Diomedes’ hunt for the Black Legion is nigh. He is closing on his quarry, and has hunted Eliphas the Inheritor, leader of the Black Legion in the sector, to planet Typhon. It is on this world of jungles and forgotten ruins where the campaign begins."

Looks like Diomedes kill Eliphas.

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>>13634763
What if The Ancient was a girl?

>> No.13634812

>>13634791
I think the idea is, that that Blood Raven looked at the original Exitus rifle, and made a cheap knockoff of it.

Like Chinese.

>> No.13634814

Right, so I have both DoW2 games, and I have the third preordered.

I haven't had a chance to play AT ALL since either came out. I'm talking "I finished the first mission in DoW2" here. Blame engineering university classes.

Anyways. Should I play through from the beginning, once I have free time? Or should I dive into Retribution?

>> No.13634821

>>13634806

>ten years after the events of Chaos Rising

when are the Dawn of War games set, anyway? doesn't Failbaddon have a Black Crusade to run into a brick wall?

>> No.13634832

>>13634791
Forgive me, but I don't get the Blood magpies joke. Care to explain?

>> No.13634839

>>13634832

>look to "your" wargear and it will protect you.

>> No.13634846

>>13634832
look up a magpie

>> No.13634850

>>13634814

The DoW 2 story sucks and the campaign sucks too, skip it and play the CR campaign it's much better and it's pretty short.

>> No.13634855

>>13634832
They 'acquire' a lot of other chapter's wargear, kind of like how magpies 'acquire' ALL MY FUCKING STUFF

>> No.13634863

>>13634839
>>13634846
>>13634855

Ohh. Thanks

>> No.13634864

>>13634850
you appear angered
The campaign was fun and interesting.

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>>13634832
Several descriptions of items in DoW2 mention Blood Ravens as trading or receiving gifts from other chapters. One such item I recall detailed how the Blood Ravens traded or were gifted a Blood Angels weapon, but says the BA have no records of the transaction.

It's speculated that the Blood Ravens a a Thousand Sons loyalist splinter, and that they used any fallen geneseed they could find to replenish their numbers; hence the Unknown Primarch.
That latter line may just be a 4chan joke though.

>> No.13634876

>>13634814

>Blame engineering university classes.

Fffffff I'm in the same boat.

>> No.13634884

>>13634814
Play it all. You'll want to run CR at least 6 times to play every traitor's ending and toy with builds (pic related). Vanilla is good too.

>> No.13634889
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Oh God, I just read up on the Ork heroes and I'm in nerd heaven.

http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/retribution/campaign/orks

"Unlike most Ork Warbosses, he's not entirely motivated by the desire for a bigger WAAAAGH... he's also motivated by loot! This drove him to be a successful Freebooter, and gives him the ability to tactically choose his fights where he sees the most profit. His demeanor is belligerent and boisterous. He can bellow, but loves understated menace just as much, delivering some of his most malicious lines through a deadly, toofy grin."

And look at the other heroes' names:
>Mister Nailbrain
>Spookums
>Brikkfist

Now I wish I had purchased the Ork pack on Steam instead of the IG one.

>> No.13634895

>>13634876
Whatcha in for?

Biomed Mech eng here. Currently have quizzes or assignments for every course every week.

>> No.13634898

In the Deathwatch adventure "The Emperor Protects", there's a Thousand Sons sorceror manipulating some Alpha Legion guys, and it's mentioned that he's with Ahriman's cabal.

Ahriman was in the Corvidae, who were the precog Thousand Sons. Blood Ravens, precognitive ablities, shenanigans with Alpha Legion and Sorcerors... too bad Blood Ravens aren't playable in Deathwatch yet. I can see it now...

>Psst, Battle Brother of the Blood Angels... check out my Chainsword. It's called "Black Rage". Pretty cool, huh?

>> No.13634905

>>13634889

>Spookums

best name for an Ork Weirdboy ever.

>> No.13634912

>>13634905
He's a kommando though. Still a good name.

>> No.13634920

>>13634898

That would be the ultimate trollface moment...

>> No.13634924

>>13634889
If you like that you'll love this.

"Well, everyone except the Freebooters. These demented Ork pirates are there because someone shot their Krooza down and because hat-fetishist Captain BludFlagg has taken a shine to the lady Inquisitor’s topper."
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/01/22/hands-on-with-dowii-retribution/#more-48524

I really hope that this is from the actual game and not embellishment.

>> No.13634935

>>13634884
So, DoW2 for getting used to the play style, CR for the story, and then playing the hell out of Ret once I have more time the year afterwards?

(Because let's be honest, I won't be getting any gaming done until May, and playing through everything before September likely won't happen.)

>> No.13634940

>>13634912

aw, balls. should be a Weirdboy. who can make skeletons pop out.

also, Magpies are of the taxonomic family Corvidae. lawl.

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>>13634889
>SCALLYWAGS
>Teleports in a bunch of mutinous scallywags onto the battlefield. Who knows who they’ll side with!

win

>> No.13634944

Anybody else think Eliphas really needs his helmet back?

Like, badly?

They gave the last Chaos Lord some cool headgear. Why the hell is Eliphas going hatless? Most folks remember him in full gear, from Dark Crusade. Not as the snivelly wannabe Sindri (on that note, bring back Sindri).

>> No.13634945

>>13634924
So Relic have been playing TF2?

>> No.13634962
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One for sorrow
Two for mirth
Three for a funeral
Four for a birth
Five for heaven
Six for hell
Seven's the Devil his own self
Eight for a wish
Nine for a kiss
Ten for a bird that you won't want to miss.

>> No.13634975
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>The European Magpie is one of the few animal species known to be able to recognize itself in a mirror test.

The Blood Magpies, on the other hand, cannot see Chaos when they look in the mirror.

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>>13634920

>> No.13635002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND76uFlVWlQ

New Retribution footage of the Blood Raven's campaign

>> No.13635007

>>13635002
Fuck you.

>> No.13635016
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>Deep Breath

>Bluddflagg takes in a deep breath sucking enemy units towards him with his putrid breath weakening their defenses.
Uh...huh. Bluddflagg confirmed as Hulk Nob.

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>>13634944
>This character was pretty popular, maybe we should bring him back! The fans will love it!
>WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LETS CHANGE HIS VOICE AND GET RID OF HIS HELMET, THEYLL GO CRAZY OVER IT

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13635050

i really wish theyd let us customize our hero unit more in multiplayer. like maybe have the 3 choices for each race, but then allow you to change their default abilties in a load out screen kinda like last stand.

maybe even exp earned through winning matches could be applied towards purely aesthetic gear?
(ie new badges for the IG, different jaw armor for orks etc etc)

>> No.13635055
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>>13635016
>Targetin' Dummy

>Impale an ork boy with a stick. His screams of anguish distract enemies into attacking him.

THIS
IS
AMAZING

Really, Orks were handled quite well in every Dawn of War game so far put out. Always hilarious.

>> No.13635102

>>13635055
>Orks were handled quite well
>Dawn of War game

You must pick one.

>> No.13635128

>>13635102
No, I pick both. Fighta-Bommerz were the only good point of Orks in Soulstorm, yes. In every other one they have been funny and entertaining while everyone else is being ultra serious, just as Orks are supposed to be.

>> No.13635132

>>13635102
I'll pick both because they're both true.

>> No.13635154
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>>13635055
Spookums is now my favorite character out of all the Dawn of War games.

>> No.13635156
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13635156

>ork
>pirates
>IN SPACE
>you can now only type green

>> No.13635158

>>13635132
Lol... right.

The way DoW2 handles the Orks was precisely the reason I uninstalled the my pirated copy and never bothered to buy it.

>> No.13635169

>>13635158
Explain yourself, butmadder.

>> No.13635175

>>13635128
>they have been funny and entertaining
translation:
>Hurr, Orks must be stupid, and there's no such thing as Goffs.

>> No.13635184

>>13635175
I said explain yourself, not make yourself look like an ass

>> No.13635189

>>13635175
Once again, no. They're funny and entertaining because they're having FUN and being Orks. Why do you think 40k has to be serious?

>>13635156
Never heard of Ork pirates before? They're a long-standing part of lore.

>> No.13635196
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>>13635154
"A bosun for Kaptin Bluddflagg, Spookums is called upon when the Kaptin wants to more stealthfully take care of a problem. Nothing makes Spookums happier than creeping up on an unsuspecting enemy and then slitting their throat and spreading panic behind the enemy lines. The horrified look on the faces of their prey, who assumed that the Orks would attack head on, is tremendously rewarding to him."

YES

>> No.13635219
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13635219

>>13635158
>DoW2 Orks bad
>uninstalled my pirated copy
>Orks
>Pirates
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

>> No.13635232

Hmm...

Obsessed with loot...

Has an ability involving putrid bodily stenches...

Is Bluddflagg wario?

>> No.13635237

>>13635189
I never said (nor implied) that 40k has to be completely serious. But as a Goff-minded Ork player, DoW has done a particularly shitty job of portraying them as anything more than 'tongue-in-cheek' Hurr Hurr punching bags.

If all you care to see them as is nonsensical cardboard cut-out villains and not brutal, face-smashing, ruthless bastards... Then sure, they were probably portrayed pretty well in your eyes.

Just because Orks are simple, doesn't mean they have to be stupid.

>> No.13635241

>>13635232
No, Bluddflagg is the example of a true Ork Kaptain.

>> No.13635248

>>13635156
>>Doesn't know about da freebootaz.

How're those pubes coming along junior? Still nothing? Don't worry, you're be a big kid soon.

>> No.13635252

>>13635237
Ah, okay. They're not hurrcore for you. Cute.

>> No.13635261
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>>13634943
>>13635055
Oh my god.
That's brilliant.

>> No.13635277

>>13635189
oh I heard of them alright, I'm amazed that they finally made it into a game
next thing you'll tell me is that you can call down the DEFF SQWADRON and the warboss will be quoting sun-tsu's art of war in a deliciously slightly misunderstood orky way

>> No.13635309

>>13635219
I lol'd

>> No.13635322

>>13635252
No, they're not even core. They're just Hurr.

Keep the stupid silly shit to fantasy where they can't wipe their own ass without help. But I personally prefer a lot more bite and bad attitude.

>> No.13635341

>>13635322
>Not enough grimderp, I hate this game

>> No.13635348

>>13635341
Let me fix that for you
>Too much grimderp, I hate this game.

>> No.13635349

>>13635102
>>13635158
>>13635175
>>13635237
>completely ignores that the greatest Goff hero became a Warboss because some Space Marine blew half his brains out, causing him to "receive" visions of Gork and Mork.

>> No.13635357

>>13635322
40k orks have always been much more derpy than fantasy ones, stop showing off that you only started playing with the current edition anon

>> No.13635388

>>13635357
Fucking word.

Fantasy orcs like killing stuff.

40k orks just wanna blow shit up, shoot in the air, fly airplanes real hard, get sum teef, become big, lead a Waaagh, smash some stinkin' Spiky Boys...

>> No.13635389

>>13635322
We get it, your fun is the only fun people are allowed to have.
Now, go have your fun by yourself under the rock you crawled out from.

>> No.13635423

>>13635322
looks like someone doesn't know his Ork lore.

40k Orks have always been comic relief. Fantasy Orks have always been a semi-serious race of barbaric marauders.

There's a reason that the WAAAAAGH making technology magically work and the whole Orks=Fungus things have been limited to 40k.

>> No.13635448
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13635448

>mfw Tarkus is dead in the DoW books
>also mfw when I realized that I'd read all those piece of shit books

>> No.13635466

>>13635357
>40k orks have always been much more derpy than fantasy ones, stop showing off that you only started playing with the current edition anon

What, are you retarded? Have you even seen the previous 2 fantasy Orc books? Have you seen the travesty that Matt Ward put them through for 7th edition? They only recently gained a sliver of competency with 8th.

Oh, and *cough*... Rogue Trader. Newfag. I miss my fucking Lungburstas, Gobsmashas, and actual fucking tanks. But I was quite glad when Orks took a turn from being pants-on-head retarded and much more sinister and brutal.

>> No.13635497

>>13635466
>MORE GRIMDERP. NOT ENOUGH GRIMDERP MEANS ITS SHIT
And this is why you're killing 40k

>> No.13635506

>>13635389
I get it. Your opinion is clearly the only one that matters from your Matt-Ward dick-sucking viewpoint.

Hurr, Orks are meant to be comic relief punching-bag villains that can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. You'd probably think they were "represented well" if they slowly walked toward the enemy quoting silly lines, waiting to get shot in mass.

You win, Mehreen-fag. Enjoy your painthammer-40k.

>> No.13635520
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>>13635497
No... THIS is what's killing 40k.
<--------
And a dozen fucking iterations of the same army.

>> No.13635535

>>13635466
>being accused of not knowing shit about the original settings
>brings up 7th and 8th edition and matt ward to prove his point
are you fucking retarded?

>> No.13635569

>>13635535
>being accused of not knowing shit about the original 40k settings
>brings up 7th and 8th fantasy edition when confronted about how 'serious and less silly' they are in it

Oops. My bad. Damn, I sure got told.

>> No.13635577

>>13635506
Who is Matt Ward?
I don't play TT40k, I just follow the lore.

And I seriously hope that you are a child, because if you're an adult it means you're one of those ugly, sad, angry and lonely neckbeards that inhabit my LGS.
Just pay for a hooker already, you'll feel better when you lose your virginity.

>> No.13635587

>>13635535
I think hes just a troll
Ignore him, he'll either get angry/bored enough to leave

>> No.13635602

>>13635466
Do you also miss their Snotling Shokk Attak gun? Makari? Madboyz? Weirdboy (some of them Weirdboy Warpheadz) and Mindaz? How about the clans?

Because it's not like 3rd ed turned Orks from the actually interesting and unique army flavour into a boring "We're tough and strong and will kill EVERYONE" race or anything.

>> No.13635607

>>13635577
>Who is Matt Ward?
Guy mostly known for turning Ultramarines into the infamous Marry Sueraines. Bad guy. Baaaaaaaaaaad guy.

>> No.13635623

>>13635535

Just ignore him man.

Also

http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/retribution/campaign/orks

"Kaptin Bluddflagg’s other bosun, Brikkfist is called upon when a more direct approach is required. Loud, cheerful, and violent Brikkfist can be found in the midst of combat. Strapped to a volatile rokkit pack he leaps toward the enemy in a cloud of oily black flame."

"Disembowel

Grants the targeted ally temporary invulnerability."

HOW.jpg.png.tiff.tga

>> No.13635624

>>13635602
let's not forget trukks being allowed to carry any number of boyz as long as they'd fit, with any model falling off taking damage as per rules pertaining models falling off a vehicle

(also arbitres with shotguns causing knockback by 2" and shooting the passengers of open topped vehicles off their ride)

>> No.13635629

>>13635577
>Who is Matt Ward?
He's arguably one of the worst game developers ever to work for GW. He writes from a blatant fanboy style with more than a dash of 'canon-sue' added in. To put it bluntly, his latest books have had things like Blood Angels walking away from a fight with Necrons as if it was 'the honorable thing to do', and every spess mehreen chapter wishing it was Ultramarines.

>I don't play TT40k, I just follow the lore.
Don't pay attention to anything Ward has done, and you should be fine. This includes: 5th edition Codex: Space Marine, and Codex: Blood Angels (red marines).

>> No.13635643

>>13635623
i'm kinda looking forward to the mekboy, always been my favorite type of smartboyz...
also commissars are back, anyone care to post yarrick's tower hat?

>> No.13635649

40k Orks: Hurr hurr, we're totally powerful and stuff guys, we have funny weapons that shouldn't really work and could kick your ass if we united!

Fantasy Orcs: We have shitty but workable technology, and our magic is prone to making the caster explode. Despite all that, we don't need to unite, because we can fucking ruin half the Empire with a fraction of the total orcs in the world. Also, we kicked Archaeon's ass.

>> No.13635674

>>13634924

NO reason?! That hat is a fucking viable reason to stay!

>> No.13635681

>>13635623


>Don't pay attention to anything Ward has done, and you should be fine. This includes: 5th edition Codex: Space Marine, and Codex: Blood Angels (red marines).
Don't forget WHFB Orks and Goblins, and probably very soon the 5th edition Necrons codex for 40k.

>"Disembowel

>Grants the targeted ally temporary invulnerability."

>HOW.jpg.png.tiff.tga

I saw that too. I really wish I could tell ya. Brikkfist looks boring.

>> No.13635705

>>13635681
I don't recall Fantasy O&G to have any major fluff holes. It's main flaws were in game play, where units costs too much for too little, there were some really terrible magic items, and of course, fucking animosity. The miscast table used to be pretty bad too, but compared to the 8th edition table it's downright tame.

>> No.13635706

>>13635681

>Don't forget WHFB Orks and Goblins, and probably very soon the 5th edition Necrons codex for 40

Necrons have always been portrayed as the strongest faction anyway, i doubt Matt Ward can make them even more overpowered.

Then again he might like them more than he likes Ultramarines since he actually wrote the Necrons kicking the Ultramarine's ass in the Fall of Damnos in the 5th edition codex, even went as far as to write the little detail of "Sicarius was taken out in one blow by the Necron Lord"

>> No.13635718

>>13635681
Make Brikkfist the canon traitor.
No one wants Brikkfist.

>> No.13635722

>>13635602
>Do you also miss their Snotling Shokk Attak gun?
Not anymore.
>Makari?
Meh... He really didn't matter to me much.
>Madboyz?
Not at all.
>Weirdboy (some of them Weirdboy Warpheadz) and Mindaz?
Yeah, I miss having Psykers that were actually worth using, and lethal. Their inclusion in the current codex was a cruel joke.
>How about the clans?
But of course. I'm not fond of them becoming 'color-scheme' variants. And I believe I already mentioned which one I favored.

>Because it's not like 3rd ed turned Orks from the actually interesting and unique army flavour into a boring "We're tough and strong and will kill EVERYONE" race or anything.
Not at first. I will agree with you on that. But from a purely Goffish standpoint, it made more sense and gave them a serious mean-streak. When GW... I mean Andy and the Ork community, actually took the effort to bring back the clans, I was happy. I much preferred the 'more serious' approach of the Goffs.

But to be completely honest, the primary thing that I probably hated most about DoW 2 had to be the complete lack of any reason to play the single-player campaign. Meh. Didn't want to pay for 1/2 of a game.

>> No.13635733

>>13635623
IZ GONNA PUT YER GUTZ WAY OVA DERE SO DEM UVVER GITZ WON'T SHOOT EM UP.

That or someone made a grave mistake.

>> No.13635741

>>13635705
The entirety of the problem to the current O&G army book was Matt Ward reducing them to night unplayable.

Gameplay was also the major issue with the Daemon army-book, and why it broke 7th ed.

His horrible reputation isn't just limited to fluff-butchery.

>> No.13635749

>>13635722
>>Makari?
>Meh... He really didn't matter to me much.

I hope you BURN.

>> No.13635751

>>13635705
Well, that's what I mean. Hearsay is Ward doesn't like the greenskins, and intentionally made their Army Book weak in gameplay.

>> No.13635757

Sigh, why do people rile agianst 40k Orks being funny.

Protip: Just because they're the comic relief doesn't mean they're not still dangerous. Them NOT being the comic rleief would be pretty damn out-of-character for a race who's entire underlying reason to do anything can be summed up as "'cuz it's fun!"

>> No.13635775
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>>13635706
>Then again he might like them more than he likes Ultramarines since he actually wrote the Necrons kicking the Ultramarine's ass in the Fall of Damnos in the 5th edition codex, even went as far as to write the little detail of "Sicarius was taken out in one blow by the Necron Lord"

I think he does like them quite a bit.

Have you forgotten?

>> No.13635782

>>13635649
>
Fantasy Orcs: We have shitty technology, borrowed from other races. And our magic is prone to making the caster explode. Despite all that, we don't need to unite, because we can't even put up a decent siege, and stood outside Altdorf hoping they'd let the gates down. Also, we pretended to kick Archaeon's ass after he fought Valten, but plot-armor forbade us from doing anything about it or killing him.

Yeah... they sound great in fantasy...

>> No.13635795

>>13635749
You first, sir. I was a bigger fan of the Red Gobbo.

>> No.13635819

>>13635757
I'd like to know why people jump down someone's throat for:
A) not liking spess mehreens.
B) not liking DoW 1 or 2.
or C) not liking the current state of 40k

>> No.13635829

>>13635757
I'd like to know why people rile against not liking spess mehreens, or DoW 1 or 2.

>> No.13635856
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>>13635775

Yes... I had indeed forgotten, thank you for reminding me asshole.

>> No.13635860

Why is the colour of Cyrus's beard different from his hair?

Does he dye his hair?

>> No.13635881

>>13635860

I have blonde hair, but my beard is dark.

so are my pubes and body hair.

Would you like to know more?

>> No.13635891

>>13635881

No, thank you, that's quite enough.

>> No.13635920

>>13635891

in short I have no idea.

I just look as the emperor intended.

I'll leave it to the apothercaries to figure it out.

>> No.13635945

>>13635920
But most Space Marines are bald.

I think he's wearing a wig

He stole from the Blood Angels.

>> No.13635993
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>>13635945
>>13635881
>>13635860
>>13635920
Obligatory.

>> No.13635995

>>13635881
I could stand to hear a little more

>> No.13636011

fucking multilasers midget savage negro beast ruining my 40k with eldar guro fapfics....

>> No.13636018

Calling it now:

The Ancient=Tarkus.

>> No.13636048

>>13636018
And you're wrong. It cannot be Tarkus.
I'm calling the Ancient as somebody we've never seen before, just as it's supposed to be.

>> No.13636075

It's Boreale for fucks sake, "his abilities vary widely"

>> No.13636082

>>13636075
see:
>>13634406

>> No.13636111

Hey, does anyone have the image from the BA codex detailing the team up with the necrons? I'm relaying this to someone and he needs to see the actual text.

>> No.13636131
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>>13636075
because Cock.Sucking Goto decided to make indric BFF's with the eldar its obvious from the start....

>> No.13636139

Martellus was mine. I kept everyone damn pure in the eyes of the Emprah the whole time.

Fun fact: my FC's name was Boreale.

>> No.13636174

>>13636139
noone liked techmarine anyways he was kind of a douche

>> No.13636228

>>13636174
yeah. I had exactly 2 mahreens ever hit the 1st actual heretic bracket (bloodlust, I think) and they were the librarian and Cyrus.

Then again, I used Thule in almost every mission. Praise the Omnissiah. Death to the heretek in the chaos predator!!!

>> No.13636260

>>13636174
Yeah, he was kind of a tool.

>> No.13636324

>>13636260
>Techmarine, tool
fry.jpg

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>>13636260

>> No.13636862
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>Actually playing Thaddeus as melee
>Not embracing the darker powers
>laughingveterans.jpg

>> No.13636918

The techmarine was the traitor which explains y he survived the thunderhawj crash on Typhon where he was the only surviver

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>>13636918

>> No.13636954

>>13635945
>>13635993

Cyrus is proof the Magpies steal geneseed.

He's pretty marine stock.

>>13633020
>Cyrus
>Useless.
>Free medkits.
>Stealth.
>Snipan
>Invisible bomb tossing.
>Teleporting his bros.
Riiiiiiight.

But really I don't care what squad was useful, they can always have a replacement with the same mechanics.

>> No.13637014

>>13634565
FUCKING BLOOD MAGPIES ALWAYS STEALING SHIT

>> No.13637200

>>13637014
They didn't steal the exitus, they applied parts of the pattern to bolt snipers.

>> No.13637239

>>13636954
I a;ways thought that the dreadnought was a fucking letdown. Played on primarch, and fucking hell, that thing can die easily, and yet damage output isn't exactly that high.

Force commander with terminator armour is the best damn thing. Charge right in with heavy support fire from the back. Throw in some assault marine to shatter the enemy's formation, and we're all set for a major kickass.

>> No.13637254

>>13636954
I a;ways thought that the dreadnought was a fucking letdown. Played on primarch, and fucking hell, that thing can die easily, and yet damage output isn't exactly that high.

Force commander with terminator armour is the best damn thing. Charge right in with heavy support fire from the back. Throw in some assault marine to shatter the enemy's formation, and we're all set for a major kickass.

>> No.13637795

>>13637239
>>13637254

lolwut

Thulenaught kicks many ass, in my opinion
Assault cannon barrage is just hilariously gory against groups of infantry and his upgraded SMASH THE GROUND is effective while have a brief-ish cool down time

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