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My friend is the group's paladin, and plays it pretty well. Cleave and smite evil, cleave and smite. The thing is though, roleplaying-wise she plays the character exactly like the stereotypical noble chivalrous knight.

The character is female as well though, so she does it like, the paladin reveres men as being weak and needing protection, but deserving respect and to be treated with dignity. As such, she's staunchly opposed to striking or injuring men, or even treating them poorly or without respect, and will actively stop anyone from killing a man.

I suppose this wouldn't be a problem, if not for the fact that most of the enemies we encounter are dudes, including BBEG's whom we've been prevented from killing. As well, her interactions with any male contacts are overly complex, and the rogue who is a potential love interest, she reveres and treats in the manner of courtly love, writing sonnets and doing great deeds in his name.


Is this a justifiable approach/way to run a character, or should something be done to curb the occasional nuisances she's caused us? She says she enjoys playing the character, and it hasn't been *much* a hindrance, but things would be much simpler without her.

>> No.12753231

Kind of a neat idea, actually. I mean, she'd have to be smart about it and not be like "lulz my friends are dying but I refuse to hit a man!" But it's certainly not dead on arrival.

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>>12753231

Well if nothing else, it certainly makes things more interesting and fun to play.

It's just sometimes annoying when like, we're about to slay the BBEG, and she steps in and is like "Retrain yourselves! You'll not harm a man in my presence. Come delinquent, your actions are an offense, but I'll defend you till the end, on my honor and my life!"

Before picking the BBEG up and carrying him back to to civilization, letting him have her tent while she stands guard, when the trip back takes more than a day.

That's just one example of the kind of things that happen frequently.

>> No.12753290

That is adorably cute, OP. Don't discourage her.

How's the rogue responding?

>> No.12753326

sounds good, but tricky

Tell ya what: IC say you're gonna sunder or something, but, slip DM a note that says you attack him

That way, character can claim it was an accident.

>> No.12753337

Seems harmless enough
Quit complaining and let her play
Would you rather she played THAT paladin?

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>>12753290

The rogue's just abusing the privileges, setting unreasonable standards for her to have to accomplish, and taking all her gold and good shit. He was confused at first and indignant, but now he's just abusing it.

Which is somewhat ironic, because given the mercy she's shown many evil opponents (men), she's got something of a following of reformed enemies (including some BBEGs), infatuated with her. And yet she settles for the rogue fucker who uses her.


In this respect, the character concept worked better in the one shot we ran where she first came up with the concept, in which, the character was married. Her husband stayed home and raised the kids, while she was out serving her Lord. At least in that, she wasn't being abused.

Not that I particularly care, it's just that it's starting to hurt us, when because of the Rogue, she can't afford good equipment and be more effective.

>> No.12753378

A genderswapped chivalrous knight?

I like it. A lot.

>> No.12753401

I'm in some kind of fictitious love here.

Tell your friend the internet thinks she's a pretty cool gal and would like to subscribe to her newspaper.

>> No.12753408

It's interesting to be sure, but it would probably get really annoying after awhile... hence why OP started this thread.

>> No.12753425

>>12753408

Also, inb4 she needs to get raped to learn a lesson

>> No.12753437

>>12753195
>but things would be much simpler without her.
Yes but would they be more INTERESTING?

Problems is what makes RPGs interesting. If everything went fine and dandy there'd be no drama or surprise.

>> No.12753445

I'd say have a word with the rogue, OOC, and figure out what's going on.

>> No.12753478

>>12753356
Have the rest of the group stage an intervention.

As in, quietly go have a "chat" with the rogue, and explain in excruciating detail what you'll all do to him if he keeps pulling that shit.

If he doesn't listen to you, then do it. The pally will cry for a while, but as long as you're careful she'll never realize that you folks were the ones who put the rogue in concrete overshoes, slit his throat, then pushed the corpse into the river.

>> No.12753549

>>12753356
>following of reformed enemies (including some BBEGs), infatuated with her. And yet she settles for the rogue fucker who uses her.

Please, go post this on /adv/. PLEASE, PLEASE.

>> No.12753577
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>>12753478

I believe that any actions taken against the Rogue, especially violent ones will be enacted against us tenfold by the Paladin.

As the other person said about her needing a lesson-teaching raping, she's a paladin for good reason, and save for someone who's much higher level than her, she'd just push the man off and chide him on being improper. If a chick tried it, she'd kill the woman brutally. Besides, the DM isn't enough a dick to toss someone high enough level at us, for the sole purpose of raping the paladin.

Also, she doesn't cry.

>> No.12753604

Just make most of the enemies female. Problem solved.

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>>12753604

Well then, what's the point of trying to play a typical setting. If all the people we're encountering and fighting are women, then we might as well all be playing women.


---

On a semi-related note, as the OP, the person in question playing the Paladin, is the person who was the motivation for this thread;

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12661406/

>> No.12753737

OP, the solution is simple

Remind/inform the player that Chivalry was reserved for nobility, anyone else was dirt.

(literally sooo many stories of knights raping peasant women)

>> No.12753749

>>12753692
>Well then, what's the point of trying to play a typical setting.
Why does your setting have to follow typical gender roles?
>If all the people we're encountering and fighting are women, then we might as well all be playing women.
This doesn't make any sense at all.

>> No.12753781

>She says she enjoys playing the character
>should something be done to curb the occasional nuisances

How dare a player mix up the monotonie of the game by playing a novel character that they find enjoyable.

Unless everyone else thinks it is ruining the game, let her play. You are here to have fun after all.

>> No.12753785

>>12753577
That's only if the paladin knows you were the ones who disappeared the rogue.

>> No.12753810
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>>12753749

Because we don't want to change the setting we're already in, to make things easier for one character.


>>12753737

The Rogue is nobility. That's the problem. He's like a deposed prince from some conquered kingdom.

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>>12753356
Does the rogue mayhaps ride a mule named Dapple?

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>>12753785

That's true.

I should imagine though that if the Rogue feels threatened he'll just tell on us and hide behind her.

I'm sure we can figure out something though...

>> No.12753863

>>12753810
Sell his ass out to the kingdom that deposed him.

Then use his execution to justify a crusade to liberate his kingdom from its conquerors.

>> No.12753876

>>12753810
>Because we don't want to change the setting we're already in, to make things easier for one character.
Who said anything about changing the setting? I said to encounter more villainous women, not make women rule the world.

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>>12753876

Well that's alright then. I'll ask next time.

>> No.12753995

>>12753810

Set the rogue up to be your BBEG. Deposed prince? Well, why is he deposed?

>Captcha: Greek unbeatur

See? It's an idea.

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>>12753995

Because the invading force killed/kicked his family out of power.

His is a character that was raised with a silver spoon and a spoiled brat, then forced to a foreign land to live on the streets.

I think we can devise some ways to make a villain out of him, but even so, I fear she'll still show mercy on him. Probably leniency too, given that he's royal, and a man.

>> No.12754086

>>12754045
See >>12753863. It disposes of the rogue and gives you a martyr to rally support behind. Two birds, one stone.

Just make sure the pally doesn't know you sold him out. Or more accurately, just make sure that the people you sold him to can't conclusively prove it was you; that way, when they try to reveal what you did, the pally will assume they're faking it and be even less likely to uncover the truth.

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>>12754086

The rogue is not the issue here dude.

But seriously, I mean we could probably just tell the rogue, or player to stop and he would.

The real question is about the girl's knight, but it seems most people approve of her character, so I guess that answered my question of whether to do anything.

>> No.12754280

>>12754122

Play matchmaker, if you can, between the characters. Or contrive a situation where the rouge can observe the effects of theft.

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>>12754280

The rogue is staunchly against that, and the knight has to respect him. Also he doesn't give a shit about her doing poorly, he gets all the sweet gear and loot.

I suppose instead we could just have a group fund that everyone puts into and no one can take from without consent. Then he can't just take what he likes, and she can get an even cut.

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>>12754122

The Paladin is being played in an interesting way; and that's the appeal here. The rogue's deviousness is hurting the party - if indirectly. You've got an INTERESTING scenario with your players, I'd be curious to hear more of how it goes.

>> No.12754415

I think this thread has given me something to post in the "I hate the fetishes /tg/ has given me" thread

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>>12754395

Well our games usually don't last too long, but if things liven up I might ask for more advice or whatever.

>>12754415

If it would please the fetishfags, the character has occasionally referred in passing of her crusade days when discussing matters of morality or justification. For various reasons, including that any actions taken against the foreign godless heathens were justifiable. Alluding to that, after a successful battle or city siege, killing of civilians or taking herself some "comfort boys" from the defeated populace was appropriate and justifiable. Contrast where any such actions in "civilized" (read: religious) lands would be abhorrent.

>> No.12754612

Nobody responded to my post, so at the risk of being conceited, I shall refer to it

>>12753326

>> No.12754636

>>12754390

He's just playing hard to get. This is an accepted part of courtly love. He's obviously just attempting to protect his chastity and masculine sense of proprietry.

The Paladin just needs to double her efforts.

>> No.12754687

Tell the DM to tell the player to cut it down a notch and not be so hardass about it.

Chivalrous knights know better than to let female serial killers, traitors and necromancers live.

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>>12754612

The Paladin would still see that I attacked him though, right? Plus we're assuming I can kill him quickly enough where he couldn't react, or run away, or go crying to the Paladin, who could then in turn send me to timeout.

>>12754636

This isn't true, but it hilariously makes sense.

Actually one of the justifications that the Paladin has for considering men the weaker sex, that their mind/judgment is oft clouded with indecent thoughts. It's not their fault, just part of their nature, but because of it they aren't suited to things like labor and profession holding.

A man's role is at home or in church where he can contain any urges or indecencies either in private or through the will to serve god. Should he be free to roam, he would only fall prey to carnal urges and suggestions of the devil.

Keep 'em at home or in church, safe and away from temptation.


At least, that's the gist of what I got from her many lectures to us about how us men shouldn't be out adventuring.

>> No.12754878

If you aren't attached to your current character...
roll up a male paladin with stereotypical chivalry, and a different god. Have constant competitions and sparring matches. (trial by combat)

Just think it would be funny to hear how those two acted around each other.

>> No.12754955

Personally I love the idea of a Female Paladin for laughs. She's being played wonderfully. The rogue, is being played well too - its just the "guy falls for manipulative woman" game, switched around.

Just take him aside and give him a good beating. If he whines to her, just let him know that she can't protect him all the time, and you'll be there when he lets his guard down.

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>>12754878

I like my guy, but that is an idea to consider...

>>12754955

So I think the general consensus is that the girl is right for having fun and playing her character, and the rogue needs a beating?

>> No.12755090

Get the rogue and paladin totally blitzed.

As in, to the point of unconsciousness.

Then strip 'em naked and dump 'em in the same bed. If you're willing to go the extra mile, get fluids from the "whores" part of your own ale and whores session, then put some of them in the appropriate spots on the two of them and rather more on the sheets. Scatter their clothing around the room in realistic fashion too. And if you're really, really, really willing to go for verisimilitude, either whack off or actually have sex in the room, to make sure the smell is right. Then just keep the room warm enough that the pally and rogue both sweat in their sleep.

Even if the pally doesn't try to make the rogue "do the honorable thing" when she wakes up, the results of the two of them being absolutely one hundred percent convinced they had sex would be funny as hell.

>> No.12755124

>>12755013
You are correct. Beat his ass.

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>>12755090

God dammit /tg/.

>> No.12755168

This is really interesting. Do a lot of paladins in her order think the same way this pally does, or is she an anomaly? She really thinks that men shouldn't be out adventuring? Is she delusional in the gameworld or are there a bunch of people in game who think the same way she does?

>> No.12755179

>>12755013

Beating by the Paladin, preferably.

OH MY GOD!

We can have a battered husband rogue!

>> No.12755262

>>12755090

Oh, god. The Paladin is going to FREAK if she thinks she's done this to an innocent rogue.

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>>12755179

Well she has to marry him first. But that said, she is fully capable of battering him, or anyone else in the group. It would also be consistent with her characterization if she did.

>>12755168

She's a Paladin under God, but also she is part of an order of like-minded women who share her beliefs and ideals. She even has a young squire from said order, training to be a knight under her.

>>12755090

Yeah, we could totally set something like that up. The problem is getting the Rogue drunk, but we could probably find a way.

And then the Rogue would have to get married, lol.

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>>12755090

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>>12755262

Well she would have ruined him. His honor, his dignity, and for marriage. A member of royalty to boot.

If she didn't like, immediately marry him, she'd be cast out of her order. As well she'd need to take oaths of penance and trials of punishment/forgiveness.

I think that's how it would work at least.

>> No.12755357

>>12755272
So they really think that stuff despite the fact that men, presumably (don't know your setting), do 99% of the fighting and don't have worry about things like pregnancy and monthly cycles?
What do people outside of the order think of them?

>> No.12755368

>>12755357

Well given that this character inspired the other thread, I think this setting has a far higher (say, at least (10-40%) of the fitan adventurer types as female.

>> No.12755422

>>12755368
Hmm I haven't read the other thread.

God, this thread is making me... feel things.

For some reason I'm extremely uncomfortable with the whole gender swapped knight thing. Not there being a female knight but that she treats men like knights treated women of old. At the same time I'm ashamed and worried that I'm uncomfortable with the whole thing. Thanks for another sleepless night OP.

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>>12755368

It wasn't the character that inspired the other thread, but the girl and her character from another game. That one she played a barbarian or something.

>>12755357

It's more equal than that in most of out settings (about 70:30 ratio of men:women), because it's fantasy so you can have women adventuring and stuff and shit and all that. Done to accommodate the girl players in our group I suppose, but also to address the notion of, if the option of adventuring and freedom was there, and strength was more easily achievable/measurable (leveling system, magic, etc...), then more people in general would be doing shit like that.

As for the physiology aspect, again, the rules don't consider women as different from men so why should we? On that note, women make the best blood mages/warriors, so the possibilities are there.

In the setting typical people tend to view the order as exemplary, simply because of their religious devotion and ideal behavior. That they treat men in a reverse fashion, is just an odd detail easily overlooked.

Higher ups, and other groups/churches/organizations view them as necessary because of the services they provide.

>> No.12755546

>>12755495
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but like I said before I'm just having a hard time wrapping my brain around the treat men like ladies thing. Whatever makes the players happy, though right?

Still I think that it'd make good character development for her to grow past the whole men are weak thing. To learn that all people are equal regardless of gender and that she shouldn't treat certain people specially just because they got a twig n' berries.

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>>12755422

Your feelings are in tandem with many people we've met in the game.

Sure it's fine to joke and laugh about the female knight that treats men in reverse, but it's another thing when she arrives in town and silences misgivings with willpower and intimidation.

I can think of one example in particular, where we met with a mayor of a town, and when they started butting heads (his traditional view of women VS her ideals), basically a shouting match ensued, he ordered some guards to remove "this hysterical creature". She just pushed them off her and drove her sword in the table, asking more to everyone than the now mortified mayor, if there was anyone more competent around to converse with, a woman perhaps, a she was done arguing with "this hysterical creature".

Again it's one thing to have her order going around with their ideals as they do, it's quite another thing to be able to stand for their beliefs.

>> No.12755574

It seems the idea is 'men are weak in mind,' not body.

So further opposite from general field of thought.

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>>12755546

It's not so much an issue that she treats men as ladies, simply that they should take a subservient role to more level-headed and (setting-allowed) competent women.

It's really just their take, in relation to the rest of current society. If you go to their monasteries, men and women are equal individuals, do things together, play sports, train, eat, pray, celebrate, all that jazz.

But outside of that, or a household, men are to be subservient for the reasons previously listed in other posts. It is to be this way, until society major can accept or indoctrinate their beliefs/ideals, at which point, everyone can be equal.


I say she takes a chivalrous approach to men because that's the simplest and closest way of putting it. It isn't exactly so.

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>>12755574

Yea, that's more like it. And in rules/setting where genders are capable of equal feats/strength, for her order, mind is essentially what matters.

>> No.12755710

>>12755655
Ok, I guess I can understand that. Even if it still bothers me, but whatever. Sounds like an interesting game OP. Hope you're having fun.

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>>12755710

Oh don't mind me, I always have fun.

>> No.12755745

>>12755690
Although chauvinism tends to look down on the female mind as well so one can also expect her to look down on male body. "Most men simply aren't capable of the same feats of dexterity as women."

Men: -4 Dex

>> No.12755762

>>12755745
Women: -4 STR and -4 CON

Frail little bitches.

>> No.12755764

>>12755722
God dammit man. I seriously can't sleep because of this. I'm bothered a bit by it but I'm more bothered by the fact that this bothers me. I should be above this and I'm not. Congratulations OP, you've trolled me without even fucking trying.

>> No.12755782

How can she be accepted by the rest of the party, in character, when it sounds like she belittles them or calls them weak and less than her equal at every turn?

Furthermore, when you say she can batter anyone in the party, is she twinked out or something?

"I don't hit men" coming from a female pally is one thing, okay, but this is sounding way out of line. If the genders were reversed you'd probably be seeing accusations of "mysoginist asshole" or the like.

If you want gender equality, its gotta go both ways.

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>>12755745
I'd have to disagree with this one; -2 at most, -1 more likely. Guys can stretch and bend once they've practiced at it for a while. Women's bodies are more apt for it, but not to the tune of a 20% difference.

>> No.12755798

Alright, sit down with the rogue and tell him to stop being such a fucker
Try to show, in character, that men who are lustfull, ignorant, etc., aren't like that because of the inherant weakness of the male mind, but because they're lecherous fucks.
Try to get her to give jerks equal asskicking, regardless of gender, race, or denomination

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>>12755764
... but what if he was?

dundundun DUNdundun ba-da-da...

>> No.12755816

>>12755789
>>12755782
>The Joke
>Your Heads

I was referencing the -4 Str running gag.

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>>12755745

Well women are naturally blessed and more capable physically (child rearing, dex as you said, etc...) but both genders are capable of physical equality. Relatively speaking that is.

Considering underdeveloped or simply non-muscular or unfit men though, then you're right, they'd look down on them. By their view, good physical and mental health are imperative. So not just men, but women who weren't physically fit would be looked down upon as well, in the same way a body builder might look at a weak guy.

At least I think.

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>>12755762
My Detectron is detecting a -4 str

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>>12755782

It's true she chides us for our lifestyles, but she accepts it as differences in upbringing or background or whatever. She never fails to lecture us on the importance of finding a strong woman to marry whom can provide a strong family and protect us, but values us as important party members and friends regardless.

She's the only solid fighter in the party. Higher strength, con, etc... than anyone, if only by small amounts in some cases. She falls short for it in other areas. Plus she has crap gear and spending habits.

But setting it all aside, if we were all stripped of gear and crap, and put in a wrestling match, she would come out on top.

>>12755798

The only problem with trying to change the character, is that it would also entail changing her order. Sure, overtime she might be able to make compromises and such, but at the moment she's fairly vested in the order and is training a squire; as such she needs to be an exemplar.

>> No.12755926

This reminds me of the famous deadlands character
DON JORGE ANTINO MARTIN VELASCO-CABRALES
He was a Spanish gentleman of the highest order, and, as such, he viewed women as treasures to protect, cherish, make sweet love to, and never ever listen to.

This proved to be a problem when the BBEG was female.
In the end he kidnapped her to save her from those wicked men who were using her (her minions.)

"Let me GO you oily-haired brute! What do you think you're doing?"

"Hush now, my dove. You have a man with you now, and I will do the thinking for both of us."

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>>12755926

The problem is when you get a bunch of thugs and ex-BBEG's, some having repented or reformed their ways while others not, yet all in love with the Paladin who showed them mercy and treated them like they were special.

It's like a second party of PC's following us around, only much much bigger.

>> No.12755981

>>12755913
Is everyone in her order an asshole?
Maybe if you show her the inherant flaws of her philosphy, she'll change, if only to save her squire from following down the wrong footsteps?

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>>12755981

She's the only one serving some established group, in this case both the church and her order.

It's hard to go against someone when they have the majority (in relation to our party and it's means).

I agree it's easy to see the flaws in her system, but we can't exactly convince her otherwise when it's her way of life and system of beliefs, and by them she's never gone wrong.

>> No.12756026

>>12756019
What never?
You mean this has never ever come back to bite her in the ass?

>> No.12756041

>>12755970
They ALL fell in love?
With, what I presume, is a grizzled, war scarred woman?
What is the pally a diplomancer or something?

>> No.12756054

>>12755970

I see these pictures popping up all over, does anyone have the full set from whatever game that is?

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>>12756026

As long as we've been playing? No.

>>12756041

Not like, everyone we've ever encountered. But enough that it's become a decent following.

And she's not entirely ugly and disfigured, she's the kind to be armored head to toe in full plate, not chain mail bikini.

>> No.12756089

>>12755970
I don't see how's that a problem. If your pally is doing it right, they should all be at her beck and sway
Same with that rogue
She needs to toughen up and slap his shit- he's a silly man. We need to think for him, because once he starts having independent cogintion he'll just hurt himself.

>> No.12756107

>>12756084
You take enough pommels and morningstars to the face guard and you'll look, well, less feminine for certain, even if you started out with a good helmet.

>> No.12756110

>>12756089

No! That's out of the bounds of courtly love!

>> No.12756124

>>12756110
Actually, from within the gender flipped boundaries so far established, that is exactly what courtly love is all about.

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>>12756107

As previously stated, she's got some vicious war scars from what we know, but it's a setting where magic is common and varying in effect.

If nothing else, then she does a good job of keeping her face well either with healing, or protection. We've never seen any other part of her to know the condition of the rest of her body, besides what she tells us.

>> No.12756206

>>12756148
Really? Never?
That's a little odd

>> No.12756210

>>12756107

Well, to be fair, most blows wouldn't have been on the face - mostly because a straight morningstar to the face makes you dead, not ugly. A huge internal haemorrhage can be stopped with magic and leave a scar - but a mace hit that brains you kind of needs Raise Dead.

So chances are that as long you just see her face she's be alright - couple scars from sworsds that got too close or a helmet cave in, maybe, but unlikely to be much more. The rest of the body, though, is likely to be a mess.

>> No.12756219

>>12756148
>We've never seen any other part of her to know the condition of the rest of her body, besides what she tells us.

Well, you know what science demands of you. Untested hypothesis must be checked!

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>>12756124

Something like pic related I would imagine.

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>>12756206

Not significantly, no.

I mean there have been instances like previously mentioned with the Mayor, where things like fights have broken out, but nothing really bad.

>>12756219

Well we can just go by what her armor looks like. Wherever a scar is on her body, the matching place on her armor is painted red. This isn't so much a thing with her order, as it is with being a knight under the Lord she serves.

And with her armor silver-ish in color, she looks like a silver and red zebra.

>> No.12756313

I LIKE THIS LADY
BABY ROGUE SHOULD BE THANKFUL HE HAVE STRONG WOMEN LIKE HER
SHOULD LISTEN TO HER
BABY ROGUE SHOULD GET BEAT FOR NOT LISTENING!

>> No.12756321

>>12756313
I read that in the heavy's voice

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>>12756221

>> No.12756340

That kind of righteous woman.. I find that the group needs a bard to fuck it up a little bit.

>> No.12756341

So she's the opposite of what male players do, instead of protecting womenfolk she protects menfolk

I see lulz

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>>12756340

We have a bard.

The paladin hates her because she gets all the dick she wants, and supposedly is "a corrupting influence" and preys on helpless weak-willed men.

The bard just sing and dance and don't give a shit.

>> No.12756381

So, as far as the rogue problem goes, just let the paladin introduce him to some sweet, gender reversed victorian era romance
"I"m sorry honey- women are talking, come back when we're picking out the colors for the nursery."

>> No.12756407

>>12756367
Well-played Bard is well-played.

>> No.12756412

>>12756367
I love your party already.

What are the other members and hod do they interact with each other/what are their relationships like?

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>>12756412

There's the me, who's like a fighter/bard. Good at neither, bad at both. Looking awesome at doing everything.

There's the bard and the rogue and the knight and her squire (NPC).

A cleric/healer who backs us up, and respects knight's order and ideals, for the religious devotion. He's the closest to fitting her ideal of what a man should be, so they get on well enough.

A ranger who isn't really vested in religion, but appreciates knight's help, but tells her to go shove it when she tries to lecture him, because he's a different race.

And a mage who's exemplifies the quote "NIGGAS GETTIN BLASTED", and doesn't like being told what to do by the knight. He doesn't want trouble though, so usually just makes up excuses or runs away when she starts to talk.

---

Anyway I'm going to bed, c'ya all later. If the thread's still up tomorrow, I'll post and shit then.

>> No.12756533

Here's why she's stupid, OP.

Chivalry evolved because women are naturally weaker, inferior to men and need protected. A woman acting chivalrously towards men makes no sense.

Explain to her that the idea only makes sense to her because she's a woman, and therefore can't think logically. Then while she ponders that point, use it to explain what I just said. Then overpower her and give her your child.

>> No.12756575

>>12756367

A man bard.

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>>12756326

>> No.12756688

>>12756533
This makes no sense in a world where by the core rules every human of either gender has the same base stats.

This will only end in being lectured on proper manly-like behavior.

>> No.12756743

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9fg64gx9lc

>> No.12756755

heh so the male rogue is acting like a typical little whore. Spending all of momas hard-earned cash. She made the classic mistake; let her boy-toy borrow the credit-card.

>> No.12756766

>>12756608
Black Lagoon artist is best artist!

>> No.12756793

>>12756608
Haha, what is this?

>> No.12756805

>>12756755
replying to myself for clarity:

i was pointing out that she isnt the only one playing a reversed gender role. Hes playing a little bitch.

There is no reason it has to be a difficult situation. Treat her like you would a guy whos lent his credit card to his manipulative girlfriend. Act like buddies would. Tell her to her face that shes being played for a fool, and ask if her order really promotes such bad management of funds.

she ll probably take it like a man (heh).

>> No.12757094

>>12755013
>So I think the general consensus is that the girl is right for having fun and playing her character, and the rogue needs a beating?

I would not say that, but somebody should remind him in-character that he's acting like a jew, which is completely inappropriated for a noble.

>Chivalry evolved because women are naturally weaker, inferior to men and need protected. A woman acting chivalrously towards men makes no sense.

I remember how Chivalry was a game instituted in the new arab kingdoms with the aim of domesticating the sandniggers into more cultured forms of conduct. No nature involved. Just lots of men that need a good tounge-lashings to get in line and don't shake the boat/don't bother the locals who are feeding their new arab lords.

>> No.12757235

The rogue and paladin is just setting up a scenario where someone needs to challenge the paladin claiming that her softness towards the rogue (and men in general) has made her weak and unworthy before her god.

Then you challenge her and win and tell her that her god has no failed her, but her leniency has made her fail her god.

Shouldn't be too evil and will put a stop to the worst of the anoying part of the paladin.

>> No.12757294

>>12753356

I've dated women like that. It's not very farfetched, you know...

>> No.12757574

I find it amusing that the females the pigheaded brutish blind one, and the males the manipulative one.

Honestly, as long as the players can seperate game/life, it should be fine.

..just how offensive is this character, anyway?

>> No.12757770

>>12755817
That's actually a bit of an urban myth.
What women CAN take is, in certain positions, better g-forces due to their more compact bodies.

The childrearing thing? Actually, no. They take that pain because they have to, thus the screaming, threats, biting and you never hearing the end of it. However, this is an act they're made for, and even without an epidural they're chock full of drugs (endorphins and such are produced within the body too). Their pain and temperature tolerances are actually lower than or equal to males. Its just that every single one of them repeats the whole "pains of childbirth" bits. They don't take compound fractures and the like nearly as well.

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>>12757770

I mean in the setting. That's their views.

>>12757574

Which character, the rogue or the paladin? The paladin is good, strong, and dependable. The rogue is crafty, selfish, complains often and lies allot.

>>12757235

No one in our group though is fit to beat the paladin in a fight. We'd need outside assistance for something like that, and doing so would likely debase the importance.

>>12756805

She'll just go by the reasoning that he's befallen of typical weaknesses and temptation prone to men. As such she pities him and mitigates his desires, lest he descend to greater depravity.

Or some other reasoning like that.

Like I said before, I think it'd just be easier, rather than having the Paladin change her spending and gifting habits, simply make her wealth harder to get at. She won't complain and it solves the problem.

>> No.12758330

>>12757814
>>12757814
Can't she tell that, by indulging the weak man in his temptations, she's hurting him more then helping him.
She needs to start wearing the pants in this relationship and taking a more active role in her husbandos life

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>>12758330

Well currently it's not a legit romance on either part.

She just indulges him and treats him as she does, because he's royalty. I think... I mean I can't know if she's secretly crushing on him or not, but I assume it to be as it is. If not, it could very easily develop into a relationship, would the rogue reciprocate.

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>>12753195
I'm okay with this.

>> No.12758430

>>12753195
I totally haven't read the thread at all, but it's best justifiable, if that behaviour is set in her cultural background.

>> No.12758433

>She'll just go by the reasoning that he's befallen of typical weaknesses and temptation prone to men.

You could tell her that she makes him live as a pimp, which certainly is not what chivalry should make him do. In the current arrangement, neither of them wins honours.

>> No.12758434

>>12758369
You know what you must do, right?
Compete with the rogue for her heart!

>> No.12758436

>>12753286
Miss! Miss! You forgot your codpiece again! By jove, your pantaloons are showing!

>> No.12758452

>>12758434
This!
Challenge him for her heart!
Delicious in party friction is go!

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>>12758434

I don't want that though.

To the person she marries, is essentially character death, because her husband would then be sent home to remain there. Occasionally she might visit him, but his role in the game would be considered over. Plus as stated she'd be prone to domestic violence.

That's why the Rogue's avoidant of a relationship, his player likes the character and doesn't want to have to roll a new one.

>> No.12758481

>>12758456
Steal her heart with the normal kind of paladin?
'You should go home! No, you! !!!'

>> No.12758482

>>12758456
Why does it lead to automatic character wimpishness
Just because her character thinks you'd be better off in the home doesn't mean you have to be there
You're a player character, for pete's sake, not some lilly livered NPC husbando she can boss around.
(Also, who said romance implied marriage any time soon? A proper chilavric romance could take DECADES of courtship)

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>>12758481

I-It's not like I want you to stay confined to the house or anything... stupid baka! You'll be safer there!

>>12758482

Because once married she no longer has to act courtly. It's either go home politely, or be forced home. Keep in mind she's physically the strongest.

As for the time frame, this is a game. We're not going to actually spend ten years on something that would take that long, our games never last that long anyway.

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>>12758452
>>12758481
No! No no no!

The correct way is to compete for the ROGUE'S heart. Leave the terrible she-hulk willy nilly! BROMANCE AWAY!

>> No.12758538

>>12758505
Talk about a crazy twist!
>Sorry milady, I'm into dudes.
>:C

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>>12758505

>Steal the Rogue from Paladin for homo-romance

Now THIS is something I could get behind.

Both figuratively and literally.

>> No.12758555

>>12758504
>>12758456
Well a) I doubt, despite her being STRONGEST that she is stronger then the entire party Plus whatever hirelings and allies you can come up with
If her ideas about manhood impair the party, I doubt she'll be allowed to implement them
b) romance doesn't mean marriage, at least in the timeframe you've provided

>> No.12758573

>>12758504
Well, as you romance her, you'd also be trying to subtly influence her opinions and helping wear away her beliefs about the inherant weaknesses of the male sex

>> No.12758590

>>12758504
you just need to keep her attention away from the rogue long enough for the rest of the party to talk (Beat) some sense into him without the risk of him hiding behind mama's apron

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>>12753195
>Men
>Weak and need protecting
>WTF AM I READING!?!?
How....how.....how does one even come to that conclusion?!?!?
Seriously, is she some sort of amazon paladin?

>Reads rest of thread
>>12754754
WHAT
>>12755168
This. All over this.
>>12755913
>She never fails to lecture us on the importance of finding a strong woman to marry whom can provide a strong family and protect us
See my first comment
>>12756533
I wouldn't say weaker, but are definitely less suited to the rigors of medieval combat. There are exceptions, but they are rare.
>THIS WHOLE THREAD
SO WRONG!

>> No.12758600

>>12758504
Well then just do whatever the rogue is doing as far as romancing goes (hint but no real promises) except without acting like a dick

>> No.12758602

>>12758590
>>12758504

Step 1:Find a potion of gender change
Step 2: Make it seem like the rogue was a reverse trap all along, blackmail him/her/it
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit

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>This thread

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>>12758593

>Seriously, is she some sort of amazon paladin?

Yes.

I think that pretty much answers everything in your post.

>>12758590

That sounds reasonable.

>>12758573

Like I said, for the timeframe of the game, she's supposed to be an acting exemplar. So she's not going to change her views without some drastic event.

>> No.12758620

>>12758613
>So she's not going to change her views without some drastic event.
Such as continuously having the snot beat out of her by males?

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>>12758602

Dude that's awesome. Totally something we could do.

>>12758555

Also forgot to mention, despite while she isn't stronger than the party, we're under the assumption that the party would be opposed to any such romance/drama.

They aren't.

>> No.12758633

>>12758613
>drastic event
I think seeing a male holding his own, possibly even saving her life or what not, might shake her world view

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>>12758633
>>12758620

Well, then, when we come across a male capable of that (more competent than she), I'll be sure to seek his assistance in this manner.

>> No.12758649

>>12758633
She should've seen my barbarian last night.

Rushed into a camp of orcs and killed the fuck out of one.

Chopped one's head off, charged, chopped another one's head off.

Was charged by orcs with battleaxes and had javelins thrown into me. Then I Great Cleaved 5 orc heads off.

They charge again, with some reinforcements on route. I Great Cleave through 5 orc torsos, then start to run off.

However, reinforcements includes a barbarian. Charges, hits me with greataxe, try to get out of there but he crits. I'm at -9.

I wake up naked and tied to a pole. Orcs interrogate me. I give them information that will ultimately get them all killed. Then they spare me long enough for an ally to rescue me.

>> No.12758659

Best way to deal with it is to talk it up out of game, then have some ingame event have the character "see the light."

Right?

>> No.12758663

>>12758647
Good idea!
Or, better yet, find Reverse reverse (real) chauvinisitc paladinic order and have one of them tag along, to better defend the weak woman who so recklessly endangers herself

>> No.12758693

Reversed gender roles are awesome. I once had a town in CoC which had a lot of randomly rolled NPCs in it. After the 5th female character I realized that only 1 female was sitting at more than 1 point away from the max possible size for a human or 2 points away from max possible appearance for a human.

In the end I quit rolling for those two stats and it became natural for women from that town to have an amazonian build.

>> No.12758696

Play the part she expects from you
Be incompetent- become incapable of doing anything without asking her for help first
Consult her on the slightest endeavors, constantly!
Require being rescued from extreme peril on multiple occasions and simply reward her by saying "Teehee- good thing I've got a strong woman like you around."
When she asks you WHY you've turned into a retard just tell her you've taken her ideas to heart, and are going to start acting like a REAL man (i.e. a complete and total fuckwit)

>> No.12758715

>>12758696
In the same way- botch all roles releated to intelligence, dexterity, or require you to resist temptations

>> No.12758740

>>12758696
Fuck this idea. If she saves you immediately tell her off and act cold to her for a while. Then, begrudgingly thank her for it after you've had some time to calm down.

Do nice shit for her but then immediately shoot her down if she starts reading anything into it.

Above all, find a good chance to use the phrase "Stupid paladin, it's not like I like you or anything..."

You sir, have a very rare opportunity to play a tsundere male. Go for it.

>> No.12758749

>>12758740
..... That might work
DO EEET

>> No.12758762

This thread is so awesome, and so is the paladin.

My suggestion is to marry her, and then when she tries to send you home, give her a haughty stare and tell her she's not getting rid of you that easily. After all, if you leave her alone, she'll probably let herself go completely and eat all sorts of gunk - and at this point you show utter scorn and disdain for the idea that any woman might actually know how to cook a proper meal.

No, it's settled, and there's no use arguing - she needs someone to cook her meals and darn her socks, and you meant what you said when you swore to always be by her side!

Yeah, yeah, men should be meek and obey their wives. Of course you'll submit to her will and do what she says, once she stops being foolish starts making sense!

Muscle-brained lummox.

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>>12758663

This is also something we could do. She's got some knight comrades though under the Lord as well, and old war buddies, so it'd have to be someone outside of the circle.


I think the thing most people are overlooking though, is the fact that she isn't some pretty little sparkly wonderful girl in armor who prances around all "tee hee" pitying boys.

She's a serious soldier and knight, highly capable of what the professions entail and physically ideal to serve such roles. Her reverse chivalrous nature is just a belief of hers, not some laughable facet for lulz. At least, in character that is.

Hence why all the suggestions of "Oh just beat her up" or "Find a man to rape some sense into her" are more or less pointless. Even if we step out of our bounds (read: be dicks) and find some Conan manly hero to beat her around some, she'll only acknowledge that there are people stronger than her, not necessarily men, but women too. She just needs to be stronger.

>>12758696
>>12758715

I like these ideas, because it's something we as the whole party can start doing out of habit.

>> No.12758784

OP...

What is your characters relationship with the paladin like? I think we're in agreement that it's high time you started being tsundere for her. And, among other things, that means protecting her from the rogue stealing her shit all the time. It's time to get a weird love triangle thing going and we fully expect you do do your part

And report back to us, of course. /tg/ doesn't function right without its sappy love stories

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>>12758762
>Feminazi detected

>> No.12758796

>>12758740
Yeah, that's what I was trying to go for, sorta. Also smile at her a lot and tell her you're not upset when you're angry with her for not defending your honor.

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>>12754754
>A man's role is at home or in church where he can contain any urges or indecencies either in private or through the will to serve god. Should he be free to roam, he would only fall prey to carnal urges and suggestions of the devil.

You fools!

Lust and greed can create ambition in men!

Ambition in men can lead to great things!

>> No.12758823

>>12758815
But mostly great fuckups.

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>THIS ENTIRE THREAD

>> No.12758842

>>12758823
Clearly, you have not worked beside ambitious men before.

>> No.12758854

>>12758784
Yes!
You must do this OP!
(what works is that you can still do
>>12758715
>>12758696
Facetiously)

>> No.12758860

What's her relationship with her squire?
(Code phrase for: Do I detect potential sapphic love interest?)

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>>12758860

Squire reveres here, she trains the squire. Fairly normal relationship, the squire is a girl anyway.

>>12758740
>>12758762
>>12758784

Again, while any sort of romance plans will likely be too long term for our game, it's certainly something I can start setting about to do. Tsundere time, as it were.

That, and encouraging everyone (males) to be incompetent.

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>>12758882
Well, that's another campaign going down into a cesspool. Good thing it's not the one I'm in....

>> No.12758903

To answer OP's question: unless it's really slowing things down it's OK.

Personal note: Am I the only one suddenly reminded of "Victim Girls"? Damn.

>> No.12758932

>>12758882
...Hmm, between you, the uncaring but charismatic rogue, the reformed villians who must have her, if only to prove they are STRONGEST, and potential blushing squire who may have more then merely professional feelings for her master-
We have ourselves a potential reverse gender harem anime!

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>>12758903
?

>> No.12758953

>>12758882
So, what's your established relationship with her again?
What character are you playing?

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>>12758903

>> No.12758960

......
You know, maybe after seeing that the majority of her enemies, across all levels, are males, maaaaaaaaybe she'll figure out that she's the exception, not the rule.

>> No.12758964

>>12753195
Maybe you should make more female enemies. If anything I hope you're learning how ridiculous chivalry is whether a person or a society chooses men or women to treat as inferior and in need of a white knight for their protection.

>> No.12758973

>>12758951
>>12758956
>>12758903
My favorite is the one where the plant fucks the girls in their ears and literally grows into their brains and turns them into sex freaks.

Also the TTGL one where Yoko gets raped by a giant pig with Simon's face in its mouth.

The sheer ridiculousness of this series knows no bounds.

>> No.12758974

>>12753286
isn't giving mercy and offering redemption a staple of being "good" though?

Tell the DM to throw a few Incubi at her and see what happens

>> No.12758991

>>12758973
Uh spoiler:

That thing was made from Simon's remains, what's why it had his face.

>> No.12758994

>>12758956
I read that in Sam's voice. It was glorious.

>> No.12759003

>>12758973
That one doesn't seem to be biologically accurate.

>> No.12759013

>>12759003

Yes, because hentai is known for its biological accuracy.

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>>12758973

>> No.12759017

>>12758951
Oh, not that shit...

>> No.12759035

i dont know op it sounds wrong
it makes sense to be defensive of women as they truly are weaker both physically and politically
and the fact you mostly encounter male opponents further reaffirms its a male dominated world..
her behavior is trolling borderline psychosis

that being said if shes not being an annoying feminazi just let her be plenty of other stuff dont make any sense in these games

>> No.12759056

Oh yes tsundere away, preferably with plenty of homoerotic subtext.
That or roll up a wild & untamed Brobarian who is out to avenge himself on upty women and can only be claimed by one that defeats him in combat.

>> No.12759065

>>12758663
This would result in awesome. I highly recommend doing this.

>> No.12759099

>>12759035
uh fantasy dude
also there are plenty of silly assumptions about women irl
nothing strange about using the opposite in a game

>> No.12759120

Love triangle! Yes! Your character is perfect for it, a firghter/bard who can get into trouble in combat and need saving, and be tsundere about using bard abilities.

"It's not like I hasted you because I like you or anything! We just need to win the fight and you're... you're the strongest."

"It's just a good song for inspiring courage. There are lots of songs about your order, I wasn't singing about you!"

"I may not be as good with a sword as you right now, but I'm training hard! I'm trying my best, so don't think you can slack off!"

"Why do you keep giving all your money to him? He's just using you! He doesn't really love you! But I..." blush and walk off quickly.

>> No.12759143

>>12759056

Red Samson. A gender reversal of a gender-role reversal. And now my head hurts.

>> No.12759150

>>12759099
name one

>> No.12759168

>>12759150

Or, better yet, ignore the troll!

>> No.12759203

... I still think the "bromancing the rogue"-route would make for best DRAMA.

>> No.12759244

>>12759203
believe me
all roads lead to DRAMA
we're just looking for the scenic route

One night in the tent:
OP:Just hand over that(loot)!
Rogue: No way! Ah! Where are you touching!
*outside*
lecher with a nosebleed :thee hee hee!

>> No.12759293

If you were playing Pathfinder, I'd say you should drop your character, and reroll a Phalanx Fighter. And play a "300-style" Spartan.

That way, you can bromance the rogue WHILE you be a half-naked badass that's tsundere for the Paladin.

>> No.12759310

OP stop hating fun characters and go with it.

Jesus you fa/tg/uys always sound like THAT GUY.

>> No.12759325

>>12759293

Actually, that last part is a good idea.

Females in full plate, males in ridiculous, full-exposure fantasy armor!

Seriously, the pally has started something hilarious. While vocally disagreeing with her, roll with it until the entire fantasy world is inverted.

>> No.12759330

>>12759310
I don't know what you're complaining about. Half the thread consists of fa/tg/uys saying how awesome the Paladin is, and how OP should take this opportunity to be tsundere at her. Because its awesome.

>expect woulaged
I'm not sure what woulaged is, Captcha, but if it helps, you've officially got me worried.

>> No.12759336

>>12759244
Now I cant stop thinking about the trap halflings and preggo orc

>> No.12759360

>>12759325
Oh, definitely. OP needs to DO EET. It'll be amazing.

Next thing you know, the towns will be crawling with half-naked bar "comfort boys," and hordes of orc women kidnapping young men for their pleasure, while doctors accuse male rights activists of having "floating penis" syndrome.

Also, possibly, Victorianism.

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>>12759330

>> No.12759566

>>12759325
so fully covered women and bare chested males?

yeah i don't think you thought this through..

>> No.12759639

>>12759566

THAT'STHEJOKE.jpg

>> No.12759710

>>12759035
This

>> No.12760065

>>12756608
rapid share?

>> No.12760112

I like OP's paladin.
Seems like she would be fun to debate the merits of humanity with, and I can see from far away that she is taking the piss out of the classic gender stereotypes.
The fact that there are people who are actively unsettled by it shows just how deeply ingrained they are, and how silly they are to have in a setting where men and women are considered entirely equal across the board. There is actually no reason for such beliefs to exist when there is no perfunctory differences in the sexes, but such prejudices persist because the players bring them in. Why people are suggesting OP live up to the slanted idea of men in the paladin's mind is beyond me, tho, especially since the long term result is going to end up hurting the party with an abrupt lack of competence across the board.

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>>12758953

I'm playing a walking store. Baisically I have like every weapon ever and can do what everyone else can do (except magic), just not even remotely as well.

My relationship is that she chides me for not staying at home or finding a wife ("I won't be able to protect you forever you know!"), but thinks I would make a good husband for someone, given the vast multitude of skills I can perform, enough to surprise her. I just see her as the tank and a friend.

>>12758964

That's what some people said and I think is a good idea, as she'd not hold back against other women.

>>12758974

>Implying she wouldn't know how to react to demons, regardless of appearance or gender

>>12759035

Well she's not a lone warrior, her order numbers in the several thousand. Not all that many, but still enough to be considered a force in the world.

>>12759056

Tsundere is what I'm best at. No wait, that's yandere.

>> No.12760276

Get another male character, make him a barbarian, fighter or even a bloody monk if you can manage to make that less sucky.

Don't have him be a chauvinist or stupid or anything. Calm, collected and serious in a way the pally can't criticize. But now he's another strong physical fighter and if the pally steps her misandristic ass out of line you can take her down and/or kick her out.

>> No.12760284

Tell DM to beat paladin up with a male character just as powerful/less powerful than her character.
Insert rape until she calms down and accepts her low rank in society
Receive mellowed out paladin.

>> No.12760300

Doesn't surprise me that this thread is 200+ posts.

Y'all is upset.

>> No.12760353

So, OP, you want tips on how to be Tsundere?
I'm more then willing to give you a learners guide

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>>12760284

We're not pricks like that.

>>12759293
>>12760276

I don't like playing characters like that though, especially when it's just to prove a point, or in this case just put a character down.

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>>12760353

That'd be nice.

Like I said, I'm only good at yandere.

>> No.12760470

>>12760391
Right, first off you'll want to get acquainted with the trope
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Tsundere
considering your some what tenuous relationship with the Paladin, I think you'll need to go with a type A Tsun-tsun. You'll have to be like a candy coated chocolaty treat- brusque on the outside, snapish, and probably prone to niggling the paladin over minor faults (your armor is all dented, how dare you treat a man like that, etc. etc.)
Any help you give her should be given grudgingly or accidentally- which you should remind her continuously
"I'm not helping you in this fight, I just happened to be in the bar and wanted to get some practice in,"
"I'll help your squire with her sparring exercises, but only because your form is all wrong and I can't stand to see the kid go out to battle like that,"

>> No.12760471

>>12760391
Right here, man.
>>12759120

>> No.12760512

>>12760470
You should probably come off as a rival- you're going to prove men are just as clever and strong as women, goshdarnit, even if it kills you- which, concerning your line of work, may be a distinct possibility
A good fall back is always the "Anything you can do I can do better," trope in cases like these
Now, as far as specifics go, it'll have to do a lot with the Paladins personality and her own pet peeves, values, and goals
what do you know about her?

>> No.12760530

>>12760470
>Tsundere
>Tsun tsun
Fucking kill yourself, you weeaboo piece of shit.

>> No.12760599

>>12760512
>>12760512
Strengths and weaknesses will be important too
However, no matter how sour your outside, you should have more then a little grudging respect for her
Don't be afraid to talk about how you really feel for her- moments of peace between hard fought battles, perhaps
but always they should be moments only early on, giving just hints of your feelings before you clam up and return to the harsh routine
give it time and a little effort on the paladins part, however, and you should continue to expand on these periods of sweetness and openess

>> No.12760608

>>12760530
no u!

>> No.12760612

>>12760470
>trope
>links to tvtropes
just get out before I have to rough you up.

>> No.12760631

>>12760612
>>12760530
do I detect a faint sense of hostility?
Necessary evil gentleman- nowhere else has more extensive or well researched examples of the genre then tvtropes

>> No.12760640

>>12760631
Christ you better get out right now, seriously I dont want to waste my time with people like you.

>> No.12760655

>>12760640
well then just ignore me
Kind of the whole reason why we have an anonymous image board

>> No.12760726

>>12760530
>>12760612
>>12760640

HatersGonnaHate.jpg

Man's got a point, and a damn funny one. Take your shitty whining elsewhere. If you don't like it, don't read it, and let the rest of us enjoy the thought of Ms. Paladin McChivalry and her band of in-denial male haremites while the humor of it lasts.

>> No.12760739

>>12760530
Tomathy Jones, it seems like you've been trolling in a more blatant/angry fashion lately.

Are you butthurt that your Zhaku character got banned?

>> No.12760759

>>12760726
Or you could stop using tvtropes as an example. Acting like a retard just because "hurrr you dont have to read it" doesnt mean we want you or other people to act retarded.

>> No.12760781

>>12760759
.... what?
I'm sorry, I know that's probably insulting, but I'm not really certain what you're talking about
care to clarify?
(I'd point out that the linked post wasn't by me, but I doubt you'd believe me)

>> No.12760784

http://eves-rib.blogspot.com/

what if men were the bitches and whores?

>> No.12760789

>>12760759
What you want doesn't matter--unless you plan on spamming reports at the janitor in a desperate attempt to remove what you don't like, at which point what you want will get you banned.

TVTropes may be a hellhole for the most part, but it performs its primary function (defining and describing cliches) admirably.

>> No.12760814

>>12760789
tvtropes is a humour site not an encyclopedia

how the fuck did you not realize this?

>> No.12760822

>>12760781
I think his points are
1) The use of "tsundere" isn't the problem
2) The use of TVTropes is (as is often the case) obnoxiously unnecessary
3) You can't ignore a post that you've already read.

He seems a bit autistic though, so for all I know he could be ranting about something completely different.

>> No.12760835

>>12760814
The fact that you think we don't know its not an encyclopedia is funny to me.

Yeah, its a humor site. That doesn't change the fact that the information it provides both:
1. Describes cliches.
2. Provides examples of.
If you've got a better source for all knowledge of cliches, that will somehow be more effective in helping us suggest what OP should do in his game, then by all means, suggest it.

>> No.12760838

>>12760789
Who said anything about reporting? Let alone "spamming reports at the janitor in a desperate attempt to remove what you don't like, at which point what you want will get you banned."

>> No.12760843

Use this manga to get into character. The paladin is Saya. OP's character would be Tadashi.

Alternatively, the paladin would be Yuna and OP's character would be the STUDENT COUNCIL PRESIDENT. A bit less gender role reversal than the first option, but considerably more BURNING JUSTICE.

>> No.12760844

>>12760822
So he's complaining about a site being referenced? That's... well, kinda autistic.

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>>12760843
Fuck, forgot my pic. For those of you who can't into moonrunes and are too lazy to read the filename, the manga is Onidere.

>> No.12760856

>>12760838
I was making reference to the fact that he urging another poster to leave as if he could do something about it.

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>ITT: Pic related

Anyway, I guess the idea is to create a love triangle of sorts between me and the rogue and the paladin? How am I supposed to get the rogue to fall in love with me?


This better be a good idea /tg/, I better not get fucked on this. If I wind up having to reroll a character because my main got forced into being a househusband, I'll kill you fuckers. Or something.

>> No.12760887

>>12760863
...I'm not entirely sure on the first part (some kind of crazy Bromance, I guess), but it would make the situation rather amusing.

Or you could just hit on the Paladin, and then refuse to leave when she tells you to--citing her poor cooking skills, the questionable morality of her traveling companions (the other guys), her needing someone to look after her if she gets wounded, that sort of thing.

>> No.12760898

I don't think an incubus is a good idea. This is how that'd go:

Curse you vile demons, hiding in the guise of a defenseless male! You are the worst kind of scum! CLEAVE AND SMITE!

>> No.12760903

>>12760863
Avoid househusbandry through a combination of doing the "domestic" shit (i.e. quartermaster duties) for the party and merciless emotional manipulation of the paladin. Puppy-dog eyes, denial of sex, and everything in between; it's all fair game.

>> No.12760907

>>12760863
Don't romance the rogue
He's a prick!
Look, like I already said:
Paladin
Tsundere
Work towards opening up to her
Gain trust
compete with rogue for her affection

>> No.12760936

>>12760863
No. Never let yourself become a houseband. Being a proper tsundere means that, while you maybe may be willing to somewhat concede to the role she wants you to play... not because you like her or anything though... you absolutely can't let her push you past certain lines.

Get indignant if she decides to have you stay home. "I'm not going to stay at home. What if you needed me for something and I wasn't there..."

>> No.12760959

>>12760907
This. He is a prick. And he's taking advantage of the paladin. This is bad for party dynamic and, on another note, because you like her... but just a bit and you're certainly not going to tell her that.

In fact, you should probably tell him off as soon as possible and set yourself up in a position to keep the paladin from getting abused by him anymore. Remember to be kind of mean about it though. Definitely scold her for letting him trick her like that.

Incidentally, if you actually do go tsundere for the paladin and then post how it went, you will be my favorite person ever

>> No.12761016

Delicious chaste knight girl is delicious...

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>>12760903
>>12760936

Sure and good it goes in theory, but once married she doesn't have to treat me with respect anymore, she can beat me or do whatever she likes. No more "Oh handsome object of mine hearts desire, your splendor is without equal!", instead it's "Quiet Man! Women are talking! *slap*"

And as previously mentioned, this would entirely fit her characterization.


Any romancing I do has to be done carefully. Once married, boom, re-roll character.

>> No.12761282

>romance
>inter-party romance
Damn it, fa/tg/uys. y u do dis?

>> No.12761283

>>12761256
Very well. Then don't marry her until post-campaign.

Play it up. Play hard to get. Show that the rogue is using her. Try to show her that men can be badass, too. No matter what you do with it, act tsundere and it'll be comedy gold--and it'll keep the game interesting.

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>>12760907
>>12760959

Fine, steer clear of the rogue it is. I don't imagine that he'd like losing his bonus source of income though...

>>12761016

Chaste sure, but she's not a virgin. Thought I'd point that out.

>> No.12761295

>>12761256
And as a Tsun-tsun, it's in your character to slap her back!
(plus romance =/= marriage, remember that)

>> No.12761310

>>12761291
Use that to show the Paladin that she's being used by the rogue, and that he cares nothing for love

>> No.12761326

>>1276125
Typical man, always afraid of commitment

>> No.12761332

Ask her if she kisses her father every time she cusses and act shocked if she doesn't.

A real woman must respect her father and (male) nanny. And don't let her have any stupid ideas about thinking she knows how a man's mind work - she's too much of an insensitive brute to understand something so sublime.

Also, accuse her of being a sadist that loves to take out her aggression on those weaker than her - men.

>> No.12761431

>>12759120
>>12760512
>>12760470
>>12760512
>>12760599
My tsundere examples any help OP?

>> No.12761537

>>12761295

And then she beats me. She's stronger remember.

>>12761431

I've got a pretty good idea, yeah.

>>12761332

She loved her father, but he's dead now.

>> No.12761547

paladin gets into a barfight paladin gets proven wrong when she gets the ever loving shit beaten out of her by a drunken patron confusing her for a tranny

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what would happen if you would behave chivalrous towards a really evil BBEGirl?

>> No.12761597

>>12761579
She'll fucking screw you over.

Any halfway decent BBEG will know how and when to exploit the limitations of others' moral high ground to their own advantage.

>> No.12761602

>>12761537
If you've done it right, then by this point the Paladin would have realized that you're serious about wanting to stay by her side, and respect you enough to honor your decision, even if she disagree's with it
That's how love works yo

>> No.12761604

>>12761547
or better yet your rouge gets killed taking her loot when it turns out its traped, no, no melodrama with all this tsundre bullshit, rather the rogue takes the iteam, and gets injured or killed in an explosion

>> No.12761622

>>12761597

well apparently that doesnt happen to the paladin, which means the DM probably won't do that with a female either

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>>12761537

Forgot a pic.

>> No.12761653

>>12761602

But that's not how chivalrous attitude to the 'weaker' sex works.

>> No.12761669

>>12761653
then get rid of the attitude, that simple, have it beaten, or convinced out of the character, i dont care how, do it faggot

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>>12760284

Rape would probably end badly. As it is, if the mindset is flipped as radically as it seems, it's merely idle men misbehaving, not rape.

>> No.12761744

>>12761669
hey no need to call each other names
I'm just going to say that, while at the moment the Paladin is of the opinion that a man's place is at home, over time, if OP is clever enough, he can change her outlook
Still, long term stuff
For now, focus on being Tsun

>> No.12761748

>>12761705
better yet inject realism into your campeign setting, have her laughed out of any respectable inn or tavern for acting like that, same with blacksmiths, make this common, or have her and her order declared to be witches, and disowned from the church she serves at, make bad things happen that arn't rape, (BTW the god also disownes her when the church does)

>> No.12761806

>>12761748
HEY!
YOU!
CUT THAT OUT!

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...her asian sister?

>> No.12761863

>>12761744
okay if you wish to stay that way,

the rogue basically is organizing a coup on his kingdom, during this venture he is gathering weapons at the border when he's finally caught by those who he was going to overthrow, short sense the rogue is now on the run and trying to hide from the multiple badasses that are after him, have one of these be obviously male and a chauvinist, you know the nazi commander from inglorious bastards, yes that guy, confident and powerfull enough to get what he wants, which is to simply kill the rogue and those close to him.

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>>12761748
>Fantasy
>Medievalesk Fantasy
>No Widow-Ganbang Gangs anywhere
>I quit.

>> No.12761920

>>12761867
notice i said some realism not all realism, just enough to not be "THAT GUY" as a GM, but enough to force a change in character

>> No.12761982

>>12761920
That's actually pretty "that guy"--desperately trying to force a change in a character that's thusfar more entertaining than problematic, loudly espousing a "no women can be martial" viewpoint...

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>>12761705
Only if you by that just mean "rape light".

>> No.12762028

>>12761982
derp..... sorry, but it seems everything else here is either make the rogue a bitch or change his character, your paladin can still be feircly proud, but have to deal with the mentality of those around her.

also fuck you captcha

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>>12761920

Well you're talking about some very specialized cultural institutions there. Like a church that actually declares people heretics and can count on being backed up by a cultural consensus within half a continent. That's awfully european, you know? All that Buddhists institutions could do, to name another example, was to send their strongmen and burn down each other's property or beat up people with whom they did not agree. Other faiths were even more limited.

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>>12762020

I was thinking more along the lines of "Can't rape the willing", when discussing female on male rape.

So in this case: "Oh no, a man tried to force himself on me. It's so cute he thinks he's all feminine like that. It really just saved me the trouble of buying drinks and talking."

It's horrible sexist crap either way, but the way it seems to work in a black=white reversal.

>> No.12762120

>>12762105
that's retarded,
really really really really retarded,
you gots downs

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>>12762105
You're so cute and unspoiled by the internet.

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....well yeah just wanted to post it here

>> No.12762190

I thought we established that the paladin is awesome. I remember establishing that. She is awesome and it is time for OP to tell the rogue to fuck off and start a weird tsundere romance with her.

>> No.12762271

>>12762190
Anti-
Ingnorance
Detection
System

this is being detected here a reading indicates readings are high

>> No.12762346

>>12762172

Thank you. I try very hard to contribute without crossing any lines.

There's also apparently a woman-whore of a bard in the party. If we're attempting to foster jealousy, it would be easiest to get the rogue involved with her. It'd end the pseudo-courtship fast and cut off the rogue's flow of income. Maybe land him in a man-nunnery.

>> No.12762375

>>12762346
in a sceme to earn trust from the church in edition to funds to pay for a coup

>> No.12762384

>>12762375
sorry that's " in addition" derp

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>mfw upon reading this entire thread.
This...I don't know...

>> No.12762628
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Or you could just leave it be. It's her character let her play it like she wants to.

>> No.12762669

>>12755762
I wonder if there are people who genuinely think that adult females are weaker than halflings, which are creatures the size of tiny little kids.

>> No.12762693
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Although, everyone's considering I want to start some sort of romance with the Paladin.

I never ever play characters like that, or roleplay romances, relationships, or stuff like that. This would be the first, if only for comedic purposes.

>> No.12762767

>>12762693

First (in character) romance = Fits a Tsundere even better

>> No.12762773

>Maybe land him in a man-nunnery.

A chloister?

>> No.12762826

>>12762693
Then I think you should do it really. Haven't been much up to the idea yet but you should try it just because it might be fun and your first time doing so. Hell, you might even like it. Personally I could see it working with your character on a theoretical level, especially so considering your characters role in the group (as opposed to the rogues).
>>12762767
Christ you're an obnoxious twit. If OP goes for romance I'm starting to hope he doesn't pick the archetype just because of you the annoying fuck(s).

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Perhaps you should present her character with some sort of situation that forces her hand, morally.

Throw her into a situation with no good outcome, no black and white, all grey.

Break her will, it is your very duty as a GM to do so.

>> No.12762917

>>12762693

Well, don't want to make you do anything uncomfortable. If you feel you can go forward with the suggestions, be sure to talk it over with the paladin's player first. Last thing this interesting game needs is discomfort caused by not communicating.

Even if you don't want to go ahead with it, you might want to discuss matters if the extreme inverse-chivalry is bothering you. Her character sounds like fun to play with, but it'd be a shame if it got out of hand, or if the Paladin became totally ineffective due to lack of equipment.

>> No.12762964
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Have an evil witch molest her

That seems to be a thing for female knights

>> No.12762967
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Here's an idea grow a pair, and talk to the player about the problems. Involve the group if it's more then one person.

Or keep being a passive aggressive pussy.

>> No.12762975

>>12762564
You don't Cir-know?

Also, OP, just roll with it. Ignore faggotry, receive fun. The macho paladin, and her player, sound like the kind who generally function as constant sources of amusement for their groups. So make a game out of it, start competing with her in masculinity, start being a reverse suffragette, try to get in her pantaloons, bromance the rogue, do whatever seems fun.

Just... don't try to mold the whole world to be WIMMINZ CANNOT INTO ADVENTURING, if it wasn't so to begin with. Only men whose confidence is too frail to stand competition with women do that.

>> No.12762998
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Im just going to post these two.

One.

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>>12762998

And two.

>> No.12763032

Are we ever going to have a day where this fake gamer with his nonexistent games and imaginary gamers doesn't post this stupid, mindless drivel trying to get a rise out of /tg/?

>> No.12763064

Jezum crow /tg/ what happened
You were all nice and constructive and then
BAM
You all started like jerk asses

>> No.12763073

>>12762998
>>12763009
I don't think either Allah or Jesus would approve of this.

But I do.

>> No.12763087

>>12763064

Daytime/Nighttime.

>> No.12763101

>>12763073

I don't approve of anyone who doesn't approve of that

>> No.12763106

>>12763073
Snuggling shouldn't be sacrilegious

>> No.12763132

>>12758611
I'm intrigued. Any other books about female dominated settings?

Preferably books that aren't shit.

>> No.12763296

>>12763073
And why wouldn't they ?

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