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Admit it /tg/, you wished the movie ended this way.

>> No.10646379

No. No I do not.

I wished it ended with Exterminatus and I'm not even a fan of 40K

>> No.10646392

>>10646379
My own clone.

>> No.10646432

>>10646392
>>10646379
Now none of us three will be virgins.

>> No.10646456

Source?

>> No.10646474

>>10646432
>>10646392
>>10646379
No, all three of you are still virgins.

>> No.10646520

I wish it ended with Pandora

>> No.10646534

Na'vi sex trade.
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go on.......

>> No.10646563

>>10646520
Man, you guys sure are butthurt. Oh look! An Ewok!

>> No.10646566

>>10645726

>> No.10646647

>>10646563
Nah, I just think it'd be a pretty cool continuation of the plot.

>> No.10646667

>>10645726
No.

>> No.10646728

>>10646379
I kinda wish that happened.

I wish, mid-battle, one of the humans looked up and was like

OH FUCK THE ROBOTS ARE HERE

and then THE FUCKING ROBOTS messily and gorily eat the goddamn planet and add it to their von-neumann horde.

then the next movie is about humans fighting off the cybernetic menace. they use navi DNA to produce mind-linked supersoldiers to battle the robots on more even ground.

it is a blockbuster.

>> No.10646783

You know, I'm betting most, if not all, of the people butthurt about the resolution of Avatar are the same losers who wrote masturbatory fanfics where the debris from the Death Star wiped out all life on Endor.

>> No.10646803

>>10646783
>masturbatory fanfic

I'm sorry, what happens in yours? the deathstar is somehow cleaned up entirely before it hits endor?

some kind of rebel garbage-crew was created specifically to keep little bears from dying en-masse?

>> No.10646821

havn't even seen avatar, no greater loss from what i can tell

>> No.10646822

>>10646803
Actually, I go with what Lucas said:

ENDOR WASN'T DESTROYED BY THE DEATH STAR BITS. THE EWOKS ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL. SUCK IT.

>> No.10646839

>>10646822
I would like to ask you- how?

did lucas just say "IT HAPPENED THIS WAY, NO EXPLANATION, NO PLOT"

because if so, I gotta say fuck him. you have to at -least- give a psuedoscientific explanation for why it didn't kill the planet.

>> No.10646858

>>10646803
I'd actually imagine most of it would have actually burned up in the atmosphere, the station did seem to be vaporized in the explosion. So I doubt very few terribly large chunks actually existed.

But you know, that's just me.

>> No.10646880

>>10646839
Dude. Lucas himself said Endor wasn't rendered uninhabitable. What more do you want?

>> No.10646882

>>10646858
so you have a whole moons worth of matter burning up in the atmosphere? I don't need to tell you the tremendous ecological damage, heavy/acidic rains, and greenhouse gas released from that.

>> No.10646890

>>10646880

>LUCAS SAID

>> No.10646892

>>10646880
an explanation other than

"it was a plothole guys, ignore it"

because that is exactly what it sounds like.

>> No.10646897

>>10646882
Goddamn it. IT'S STAR WARS. STAR WARS HAS NEVER REALLY PAID THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO SCIENCE.

>> No.10646907

>>10646897
and this is where it always goes. some science-illiterate guy screaming about how there should be no science anywhere in fiction.

>> No.10646908

>>10646858
yeah i think this is what happened and also some large bits could have gotten caught in orbit as opposed to falling.

>> No.10646919

>>10646897
All the matter collapsed into a large moon. Around the moon. Around a planet.

Bad End, Ewoks still alive.

>> No.10646921

>>10646907
What? No. It's Star Wars. The one with lighsabers and the force and sound in space.

>> No.10646922

>>10646897
They cared about it like 3 parsecs ago dude.

>> No.10646927

>>10646921
>no science, it ruins my perfect story environment

>> No.10646930

>>10646839
dude just cause a space station blows up doesnt mean the nearest planet dis unless its in orbit of aid planet, but the deahstar wasnt in the plane's orbit.

>> No.10646942

>>10646922
>Parsec
>Measure of distance
>Han Solo used it as time
>So confused.

>> No.10646953

>>10646930
yes it was

>> No.10646960

>>10646927

>> No.10646967

>>10646907
>>10646927
>he thinks everything should be hard sci-fi

>> No.10646979

>>10646882
It was in Orbit, and there's really no frame of reference so you can't exactly tell whether or not it's actually in its Atmosphere, or just simply orbiting the moon at a further distance. Hell, if that's the case then it probably has a shitload of ship debris just orbiting around the planet, waiting to get picked clean by salvagers.

>> No.10646980

>>10646960
>>10646967
>all science fiction should have wizards and swords.
>I mean lightsabers and jedi. and phasers.

>> No.10646981

I treat all the Starwars movies as non canon.


Canonicaly Darth still lives. He killed the Emperor and now rules the Empire. It is a great place that is slightly Authoritarian but still free. The rebels got fucking stomped.


All is well in the Empire citizen

>> No.10646996

I wish it ended this way

>> No.10647002

>>10646981
I'll second that.

I am SO TIRED of the plucky underdog winning against all odds because "plot".

>> No.10647044

>>10647002
Hail citizen.

All is well on the evening watch.

>> No.10647061

>>10647044
it is good to hear, fellow imperial

I shall now exchange currency for goods and services and pay the appropriate taxes on these things, such is the cost of safety.

>> No.10647074

>>10646980
>>10646981
>>10646996

>> No.10647106

>>10645726
sauce?

>> No.10647107

>>10647074
But wouldn't you likes to hear takings it easy first?

>> No.10647109

>>10647002
The reason the plucky underdog wins is because of dramatic tension. If the side that had the upper hand curbstomped the other, no one would see that because everyone would see the ending coming from a mile away.

>> No.10647143

>>10647109
>ending coming from a mile away

by your logic nobody would ever go to any movies, because it's always THE PROTAGONIST WINS.

>> No.10647161

>>10647143

>THE PROTAGONIST WINS

excuse me motherfucker

>> No.10647162

>>10647143
But the protagonist faces challenges. When one side curbstomps the other, it's boring as all fuck. That's why Hellsing sucks ass.

>> No.10647168

>this thread

>> No.10647176

>>10647161
that's what happens in all of the last blockbuster movies.

it's what happens in the MAJORITY of movies in fact.

if the evil empire won, for ONCE, nobody would see it coming. it's so unusual.

>> No.10647189

>> No.10647196

>>10647176
You really think many people would enjoy a downer ending? Get outside your own fucking head.

>> No.10647236

>>10647196

>implying bad guys winning is a bad ending

You're not very good at this are you?

>> No.10647237

>>10647196
>really think many people enjoy downer endings?

I don't know, in other times and places there were whole genres about sad endings and tragedies. and then they all dried up, and turned into protagonist wins, all the time.

I challenge you to find me a movie where the evil empire/established power was the main enemy and it still was in power/the main enemy by the end of the movie.

>> No.10647241

>>10647162
>Implying LOLBACKWARDSDRACULALOL was ever in question regarding it's shittiness.

>> No.10647244

>>10647236
Good at what?

>> No.10647252

>>10647244
being well read.

>> No.10647257

>>10647237

Exactly, there was once this guy named Shakespeare... you might have heard of him before :/

>> No.10647270

>>10647196

i dunno, seems to me like a lot of fucking people enjoyed this movie

>> No.10647290

>>10645726


more...please?

>> No.10647298

>>10647270
That wasn't a downer ending.

That was a bittersweet ending.

>> No.10647312

>>10647237
You really think there aren't anymore stories where the antagonist loses, and it's still got a fair amount of tragedy?

>> No.10647313

>>10647298
so who says the bad guys winning is a downer then?

if the bad guys have any kind of human motivation, it will at least be bittersweet.

>> No.10647316

>>10647237

1984
The Empire Strikes Back
The Life of Joseph Stalin

>> No.10647338

>>10647312
okay, that's not a movie which is what we were talking about.

>> No.10647366

>>10647298

I thought it was a downer. Personal opinion I guess. D-FENS will always be my favorite movie character of all time, which is why I was all "man fuck this shit" when he got shot.

"I would've gotcha"

>> No.10647375

>>10647316
>actual example
>part of a trilogy in which the empire dies
>something from history

so, out of three examples there is exactly one fictional story there in which the evil guys win, and it was made long prior to 1984.

my point stands, there aren't movies like that being made any more.

>> No.10647376

>>10647237

Star Wars.

>> No.10647390

>>10647376
>star wars
>empire gets fucked, rebels win, become new governing power

I fail to see how the empire won.

>> No.10647396

>>10647338

>> No.10647414

>>10647257

Macbeth may or may not count, since it's the evil kingdom dying and being replaced by virtue.

Of course, Macbeth is a terrible play so there's that.

>> No.10647418

>this thread, from start to finish

>> No.10647421

>>10647390

You didn't say "wins."

>I challenge you to find me a movie where the evil empire/established power was the main enemy and it still was in power/the main enemy by the end of the movie.

Still in power. Still the main enemy. Still the fucking Empire.

>> No.10647424

>>10647390
the empire won in the empire strikes back

>> No.10647442

>>10647421
>>10647424
okay, fine.

let me change that last word from "movie" to "story", because at the end of the trilogy the empire is stomped.

>> No.10647466

>>10647418
GODDAMNIT LISTEN TO PHARAOH MAN.

>> No.10647482

>>10647466
I would, but after an entrance like that you're supposed to SAY something.

like EVERYBODY SHUT UP

OKAY. now here is the plan. we'll go and fuck megaman. in the eye. and he'll be dead.

>> No.10647494

>>10647366
Consider this, he got intentionally shot so that his little girl could actually benefit from him, even in death.

>> No.10647507

>>10647482
Okay, fine. You won't listen to Pharaoh Man? Will you listen to this corgi?

>> No.10647531

>>10647442

Might be a little old, but my first thought was the Illiad. Achilles is the main character, Patroclus (Achillies' boyfriend) gets killed on the battlefield by Hektor..... then Hektor somewhat becomes a protagonist before Achillies kills the fuck out of him. In the end Achillies is killed and Troy is sacked, while Agamemnon is pretty much going "all according to plan".

>> No.10647532

>>10647507
listen to him about what, taking a bike ride?

the doctor said I should stay inside and not do anything for a few weeks while surgery sets.

why do you think I'm trolling here and not outside?

>> No.10647547

>>10647531
see? these stories USED to get made.

they don't any more.

>> No.10647558 [DELETED] 

>>10647532
You know what? Fuck this shit.

>> No.10647577

>>10647196

O rly? Picture fucking related.

>> No.10647588

You know what? Fuck this shit. Here is your modern tragedy ending: EVERYONE IN THIS TOPIC, MYSELF INCLUDED, GETS RAPED.

>> No.10647594

>>10647442
That's a bit like saying if someone killed the president that America wouldn't be a world power anymore, dude.

>> No.10647602

>>10647594
how so?

the rebellion becomes the primary ruling faction in the galaxy and calls itself the republic.

>> No.10647603

>>10647442
'kay.
> I challenge you to find me a story where the evil empire/established power was the main enemy and it still was in power/the main enemy by the end of the story.
see
>>10647312

Also about half of all science fiction written works, since sci-fi is so fond of technological dystopias where human life is permanently devalued by technology. And enough animes for someone more weeaboo than I to hit the character-per-post limit just from writing out the titles. And "The Watchmen," if you regard Veidt's evil corporate empire and his eventual plans for world domination under his benevolent guiding hand as an actual empire.

>> No.10647605

>>10647494

Fuck the little girl. It was a heroic thing to do for D-FENS but he was still way too cool to die.

>> No.10647623

>>10647603
so we've established that movies are mostly if not entirely devoid of this, since we have to choose examples from every other fiction?

>> No.10647629

>>10647547
The Godfather

>> No.10647655

>>10647623
Dark Knight. It's a Wonderful Life. The Crow. Saving Private Ryan.

>> No.10647659

>>10647577
>>10647629
now finally, HERE are some decent examples from relatively modern history.

any more?

>> No.10647662

Excuse me, but wasn't the whole point of the attack on Endor to shut down some sort of huge forcefield projector?

>> No.10647667

I feel dirty for asking, but what's the source on this? The deviantart account is shut down.

>> No.10647676

Hail citizens. Soldier of the Imperial Legions here. I bet you are all super loyal to Emperor Vader!

I for one am. Now who would like to sign up to be a stormtrooper. Its a great career choice with many skill sets you can learn. From here, you can go anywhere!

>> No.10647695

>>10647602
Talking about the, yanno, movies here, bro.

>> No.10647700

I've called a mod in to kill this thread. Let's just pray he/she/it/whatever comes.

>> No.10647703

>>10647605
You missed the point, which was that he came to understand the only thing he had to offer her was his death and the life insurance money through it.

The entire time he only wanted to see his little girl, and the entire time he played himself off as not having done any of the stuff you saw him doing earlier.

He just wanted to make his little girl happy somehow.

Whether or not dying worsened or achieved that is your opinion.

>> No.10647705

>>10647577
I loved the fact that his right eye has stayed blue.

>> No.10647728

>>10647547
That is retarded.

One story from the old years is like that, and you take it as a qualifier of the entire storytelling period?

That's like pointing out that 1984 is a downer ending, and because of it, most fiction during the time must be as well.

Anyways, The Great Gatsby is a more recent example that comes to mind.

>> No.10647729

>>10647659
The Matrix, Mad Max, Generic Slasher Movies

>> No.10647734

>>10647659

The Departed is another movie that comes to mind.

>> No.10647749

>>10647728
>>10647729
>>10647734
MORE

LIST MORE

>> No.10647763

>>10647605
You missed the whole point.

In the end of the movie, that final part, the man finally discovered who he really is, what his problems are. Finds out that he can't really make his wife and child happy, that the way he is prevents him from doing so. So he does the only thing he can: sacrifices himself so they can get the insurance and at least be well off. It's the only sacrifice he's able to make for his daughter.

>> No.10647769

>>10645726
Why do i have the feeling someone just overpainted another comic?

The hair of the two in front looks nothing like that of Na'vi and the two in the backround look like they have been put in without care.

>> No.10647772

>>10647728
Great Gatsby is NOT recent.

>> No.10647779

>> No.10647788

>>10647749
On the RPG end, Persona 3 ends with the big bad of the game merely sealed away, not killed, because humanity is unable to overcome their desire for death. And by sealing it, the main character ends up more or less dead.

>> No.10647804

>>10647763
>>10647703

>you missed the point

No, I got the point. I understood all of that shit. I still didn't want him to die, though, because I thought he was an ultra-cool character.

Just because I don't want my favorite character to die doesn't mean I 'missed the point'.

>> No.10647813

Porn posted.

Devolves into discussion about modern movies.

Never change /tg/

>> No.10647814

>>10647772
It's 85 years old, and the issues it deals with are still quite applicable to American culture. It's fucking recent.

>> No.10647829

>>10647813
To be fair the Nav'i traps only have hard-ons, it's not like we can actually see their dicks or anything.

>> No.10647843

>>10647804
He wasn't an ultra cool character, that is the point.

He was crazy, unhinged. His descent into madness and his anger at the world was in a large part unwarranted and his own fault. You're supposed to sympathize with his plight, but not with his actions.

>> No.10647862

>>10647813
I still want the porn, but no one will shut up about the damn movies!

>> No.10647868

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Mostly Harmless.

>> No.10647884

>>10646921
>>10646897
Idiot. There's a difference between not being strictly scientifically accurate and ignoring something huge and obvious like the impact of a small moon crashing into the surface of a planet.

>> No.10647888

>this whole thread, my original derailing post included

>> No.10647930

>>10647843

>He wasn't an ultra cool character, that is the point.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that I can't think he's ultra cool because the director didn't intend me to?

He's cool because of the way he dealt with the situations. Everyone's been stuck in a situation where they just want to explode. D-FENS sees a society that is unfair to him and reacts violently toward that society, the way all of us have wanted to do one time or another.

He's cool because he stands up for himself and what he believes and doesn't mold into a perfect, happy little citizen. He's cool because he has the raw balls to beat up two gang members with a baseball bat.

If the 'point' of the movie is that I'm not supposed to like D-FENS as a character then FUCK that shit.

>> No.10647939

>>10647884
Actually, most of the Death Star's mass got blown into hyperspace. Quite a few chunks ended up on Mon Calamari, for instance.

>> No.10647942

>>10647884

The Rebel fleet vaporized the big pieces of debris, the little stuff just burned up in the atmosphere. Also they have a big party on Endor immediately after the Death Star exploded, so obviously there wasn't any significant damage caused to the planet. The "Endor got fucked by the Death Star's explosion" fan theory is the most idiotic I've heard of.

>> No.10647953

>>10647237
Matrix

>> No.10647987

>>10647942
>implying metal vapors settling over a planet isn't disastrous

>> No.10647992

>> No.10648014

okay, troll here

since it seems like you're done listing things, I can come clean that I was simply trying to extract some good bad-end movies to see.

thanks gents, I'll look into this one especially
>>10647366

>> No.10648026

>>10647930
Oh yea, it's cool to do things like that, to stand up for yourself.

And then you realize just how dangerous he is. The man holds up an entire fast food joint because he's angry at not getting breakfast. He explodes because the food doesn't match what he believes he does, and really, people only mistake getting shot out of luck. He blows up a portion of road because the construction makes him angry, and manages to not kill anyone again out of sheer luck. When someone rightfully regards him as dangerous, he explodes on them for thinking so. It's never focused on, but he might have killed a man because after he was in the wrong, he blew away the man's golf cart with the medicine to save his life in it.

Hell, beating up the gang members gets half a dozen people killed or seriously injured.

If you think someone like that is cool, go ahead. But the point of the character is that while standing up for yourself is good and all(look at the cop, who also learns to not bow to others) doing what he did in the name of personal freedom is insane and dangerous.

>> No.10648031

>>10648014

>> No.10648059

>>10647390
I fail to see how the rebels won. Leaders may be gone but they still have the rebels outnumbered by the millions. Just appoint a new leader based on votes, kill all the rebels, and live happily ever after with all them moneys.

>> No.10648060

>>10648026
escape getting shot, whoops.

>> No.10648075

>this thread

>> No.10648076

>>10648059
see
>>10648014

>> No.10648089

>>10647987

>Implying that canon at every level doesn't explicitly state "Endor turned out just fine," which overrules any Empire fanwank you might have going on.

>> No.10648105

>>10648089
>implying canon is a concrete arbiter of physics or what actually happened

>> No.10648119

>>10648059

Vader and Palpatine exerting their power through the officers, making them all lose focus on their deaths, and the fact that their base troops are clones which probably can't be replenished with the Emperor dead.

>> No.10648123

>>10648059
Well, then the Imperial leaders all started fighting each other; it still took a while for the New Republic to really form, though.

>> No.10648127

God damn it, Sauce!
I don't care about fucking endor, I just want my trap porn!

>> No.10648136

>>10648105
>implying that canon isn't what actually... wait, what?

>> No.10648167

>>10648136
you heard me.

>> No.10648187

Original derailer again. Fuck you all, I'm going to /b/.

>> No.10648189

>>10648127
I don't think it's trap porn, the one on the left is female and one on the right is clearly male.

>> No.10648201

>>10648187
troll here

I have used your derail for my own ends.

>> No.10648649

>>10648189
Fine. I still want my porn!

>> No.10648955

>>10648189
And i belief someone just painted another porn comic over to make it look like Avatar porn. The hair of the girl and trap just don't fit.

>> No.10649162

>>10648649
I too.

Personally, I strongly approve of this. Anything that ends with the oh-so-holy Na'vi humiliated, broken, or dead is something of which I approve most heartily.

Plus, delicious shota.

Seriously, where's the rest?

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