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>This is the first draft of the write-up promised in that BDSM Paladin thread earlier today. Submitted for critique, particularly from anyone actually involved in BDSM to check if I[m doing it wrong.

Ardarvia, The Iron Maiden

Alignment: Lawful Good

Portfolio: Bondage, discipline, love, and punishment

Domains: Bondage, Charm, Glory, Good, Law

Favored Weapon: Whip(and variants)

>> No.10590315

The Iron Maiden is a strict, yet benevolent deity. While she and her oft-misunderstood followers are often seen as strange or even frightening by many, they have long been a force for good and stability in this world and the next.

Ardarvia's origins are uncertain. What is known is that before rising to godhood, she had been an entity of good before falling from grace and eventually finding redemption. Many theorize that she had been a fallen angel, lured by the call of tyrannical law and slavery as an ideal means of establishing order. Others theorize that she was herself enslaved by an unknown entity and made into a servant of uncaring, absolute law. Some believe there is truth in both.

Regardless of her past, what is certain is that when she regained her place amongst the heavens, she had been changed by her eternal penance. Finally at peace with a balance of good, law, and her natural desires, she became an example for mortals with kindred souls.

>> No.10590327


She accepts and gives guidance to those who feel a pull towards the mutual allure of pleasure and pain, of dominance and submission. She is protective of those who enter willingly into slavery out of their own desires, while remaining a staunch enemy of "true" slavery which she now sees as an abomination. She demands respect, not just from her worshippers towards herself, but also towards each other. She is adamant on the importance of rules and boundries between lovers, with mutual trust being among her most sacred virtues.

Given her history and nature, she also has an interest in the redemption of evil beings, be they mortal or outsider. While she is wise enough to understand that this is not always possible, she is adamant that such pursuits should be undertaken when reasonable. She take particular delight in claiming demons and devils from the folds of the Abyss and Hell, guiding them towards good and welcoming them into her ranks as new, sanctified beings.

Ardarvia is most often represented as a tightly bound woman encased from head to toe in form-hugging iron, held aloft by chains grasped by a hundred angels. Her coldly beautiful face is the only flesh visible in many representations, although most portray her as having a face of steel or an iron mask. Other interpretations have painted her to be a towering, statuesque dominatrix, clad in steel and leather, with the joyous, rapturous souls of her most devout hanging from chains binding them to the goddess' multiple piercings. Regardless of the depiction's specifics, she is always portrayed by her faithful as strict, domineering, but also with a compassionate understanding in her eyes.

>> No.10590334

....somehow I have the feelign that these are the natural enemies of the Helotry of Xiombarg.....

>> No.10590356



Ardarvia and her faithful strive to guide those with desires similar to their own to come to peace with them, and be able to act upon them safely and properly. They strive to bring order to a chaotic world, and to stamp out evil that all too often apes their own sacred rituals as a means of gaining power or to fulfill their own selfish needs.

They fight true slavery where they can. WHile they sometimes strive to abolish it, they prefer to subvert it whereever possible, towards something closer to their ideal. For the most part however, they are stalwart defenders of the freedom of innocents.

>> No.10590366


They also have an interest in poicing the sex trade of many civiliazations. They attempt to guide the desirous away from illicit and exploitative institutions and towards more legal and, most importantly, entirely consentual means of release. They will fight to undermine a brothel that forces people into prostitution, but they will gladly guide others towards willing temple prostitutes or groups with relevant interests.

Redemption of evil beings is also of great importance. Salvation of the soul remains their primary concern, but they are also concerned with exacting the proper punishment as well as administering effective means of reformation to keep them on the path of good. The punishments and rituals of penance vary wildly according to the nature of the penitent's sins. It is suspected by some that most lawful and good drow have integrated into society through this method.

Evil outsiders are also given this treatment, but the punishment and penance required are much more extreme, to the point that no mortal could hope to survive the trials the fiends must endure. The rituals required vary by fiend, as they must be tailored to each type of outsider's specific nature. For example, repentant succubi and incubi are put through arduous tests geared towards denying them instant gratification as well as taming their base lusts. Failure at any point during this process means that the penitant must begin his or her trials from the start, but once they have finally passed, they will have been fully redeemed, losing the Evil subtpe and being granted the Sanctified template.

>> No.10590372

People who are actually in a position to know pain would not play at it so idly.

BDSM is a sign of laughable escapism. Do not espouse it in an already escapist work.

>> No.10590375



LG followers of the Iron Maiden recognize the importance of strict rules and trust. They often work to guide others towards a healthy balance of their lusts and proper order. Their pursuits are as much a ongoing test and exercise of will and responsibility as it is for pleasure. They account for most of the church's great champions as well as the most trusted dominators and domintrices.

LN follwers of the Iron Maiden recognize the importance of strict guidelines to live by. The goddess' path offers stability and order, and seduces others towards a less chaotic, dangerous way of life and love. They enforce the order of their church, focusing on ensuring that all are adhering to the rules they have sworn themselves to.

NG followers of the Iron Maiden are understanding and accepting, recognizing that not all are comfortable with their heart's desires. They seek to guide these souls, helping them find peace with their urges while guiding them along a safe path. They often serve as counselors among the faithful and those curious about it.

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Clerics of Ardavia tend to the spiritual guidance of their flock, instructing the faithful on the importance of understanding and respect between lovers as well as the virtues of pain and pleasure. They are promoters of stability in all forms of relationships, and ever watchful for any form of abuse or perversion of Ardavia's gifts. They promote their goddess' virtues, but they also recognize that not all will ever be comfortable with such things. They are respectful of these people, as respectful as they would be to their partners.

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Paladins of Ardavia are shining champions of law and good, just as other paladins. They stand apart however, in their complete comfort in their sexualized nature and in their encouragement of their church's ideals. They are honorable in all their dealings, ever respectful of the faithful and nonfaithful alike, and ever eager to share their goddesses gifts with those who would recieve them.

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Monks of Ardavia strive to craft themselves in their goddess' image, working towards a perfection impossible to obtain, yet rewarding in its pursuit. A number of unusual fighting styles have come from the monasteries and convents of Ardavia's order, owing to the ritualistic binding of limbs and training in darkness. Some orders are known to use sensory deprivation as a means of training, and of making their senses that much more acute and sensitive.

>> No.10590431


there is a character that that reminds me of.
read the comic. YOu will see it.

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>unformatted segments

Planar followers:

A large number of angels and other celestials have gathered into Ardavia's fold over the millenia, driven either by their own desires or by a need for cleansing and purifying ritual of penance. Many archons find comfort in Ardavia's strict service.

Among the most famous of Ardavia's angels is the planetar warrior, Exquisite Lament. This statuesque, green-skinned angel is well known among the faithful for her tireless devotion to her goddess and to the mortals under her protection. This defender of the church has also been noted for her incredible compassion, particularly her eagerness to instill confidence in the meek. It has been chronicled many times that she has offered herself as a slave to a mortal master, for a short time at least, in order to help him or her grow in both the submissive and dominant aspects of the faith.

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The angels who have sworn themselves to Ardavia can seem frightening to some, yet they are as benign as any of their more conventional kin.

Ardavia also counts a number of risen fiends amongst her servants' ranks, each of them saved and fully sanctified by the arduous rituals of penance that carried them from their damned state to one of elevated salvation. The most notable being the marilith Urnsanei. Her leather-bound, armless form has become an icon of religious signifigance not only to repentant, formerly evil mortals, but also to those who hear the siren song of one of the most controversial of Ardavia's sacrements, the Sacrifice.

>> No.10590459


New Domain:


1st - Sanctuary
2nd - Hold Person
3rd - Blindness/Deafness
4th - Black Tentacles
5th - Hold Monster
6th - Geas
7th - Mass Hold Person
8th - Binding
9th - Imprisonment

>Really needs work. Had Dominate Monster as 9th for a while. Need new spells, really.
>That't it for the moment.

>Had to rush it. A lot of detail is lost. Will cover the Sacrifice and other specific bits in detail when I can. A lot going on tonight. Also, recognize that there's a shortage of male examples in this. Will remedy that. Didn't have time to get to the one example I did have planned.

>Also have to finish writing up a damn chain-sword so paladins can use a whip-like weapon and still keep up with other paladins.

>> No.10590479

So far so good.

You'll need to make a male diety as well, with the domains Power, Law, Healing, and possibly either/or Nobility/Charm. He is the nurturing guide, the steadfast ruler and controller of lesser men and women, bringing them to task and to heel, and raising them up from their ignominious role to the true representation of the power of the servant, the underling, the slave, and the serf - those upon whom the tower of dominance rests, and without whom all would fall and turn to chaos and hopelessness.

>> No.10590503


I'd love to see it, personally.

>> No.10590515

Tsk. This is a game, and can be treated as such. Don't bring lifestyle into D&D.

>> No.10590519


Neat idea. I wanted to give the dual nature to Ardavia, but there's something about this I dig.

>> No.10590565

wow this need to be archived...

>> No.10590576




interesting, op.
turning a somewhat jokey concept..
>hurr hurr bondage paladin
into a seemingly serious and well considered power source/deity/pantheon-with-spankings.

>> No.10590584


No way, if this is the first draft.

This DOES need to be completed though. WIth writefaggotry.

>> No.10590597

can we elegan/tg/entlemen do it?

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I am observing in the name of Chaos and Lesbian Lolis. Your blasphemy intrigues me.

>> No.10590670

Also, I wrote a story about a Justiciar already. Interesting to have a goddess/god she might be appealing to/worship.

>> No.10590678


Could be the one that pulled Ardavia back towards good?

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hi lades have you seen House Malvora vampires lately?

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>> No.10590730

Obviously this male servant is a demigod raised up by Ardvark-via. He was once a greater demon that she sanctified herself, and is now the willing slave to her. His church is a subset of hers, working with, alongside and beneath it.

>> No.10590742

It would make sense.

Her's essentially the idealized Dominant, much like Ardarvia is the idealized Mistress.

>> No.10590773

Actually, let that be her representative or messenger, rather than this fellow. This fellow should be a god - perhaps a demigod or a raised/sanctified devil or demon, but a deity in his own right.

>> No.10590774

Just a quick note:

The Sacrifice is probably what you've guessed it is, the ritual amputation of one or all limbs and rendering the supplicant entirely helpless. It's seen by some as the ultimate show of submissive devotion.

It's done safely, and is never entered into lightly. The church will actually refuse and warn away anyone who up and decides, "hey, that's my fetish! I'll go for it!" It takes a long period of preparation for before it can even be considered, and the priests in charge take utmost care to ensure that the suppicant is spiritually prepared for his or her decision.

Also, they can restore them later anyway if they decide it isn't what they wanted, but it does incur some fitting punishments.

Naturally, this freaks most people the fuck out when they hear about it. The Ardavians don't exactly advertise it.

>> No.10590791

That could be one of the reasons the Helotry and the Ardarvians don't get along - the Helots have a sub-sect of self mutilators who are psychics.

>> No.10590825


Is the basic difference between them the willing/unwilling thing?

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Also, there is definitely a small order of Ardavian monks that are essentially all Voldos. Male and female Voldos, everywhere in the abbey.

>> No.10590861

self mutilators who use it to gain power versus some who choose/are chosen to be mutilated by an outside force to Give Up power?

anyhow, you skirt a careful line, op.
tread incautiously into the realm of the thirty-fourth rule and you risk being branded ERP and shunned.

>> No.10590902

Vilesseth strained feebly against her chains as the robed Sisters of the Shackle led her down the stone corridor. She knew there was no breaking the cold iron bonds, but it was like scratchilng an itch. She just had to. It made it all the more fulfilling.

The succubus obediently followed her jailers as they continued on, the cold sweat of anticipation beading on her goosepimpling skin.

She had waited for this moment for days. The waiting was perhaps the hardest part. Being locked in her cell,, bound and rendered immobile, unable to do anything but wait....it was true torment. But she knew that she deserved it. She welcomed it. Her suffering was her salvation.

One of the Sisters opened the heavy iron door, and ushered the fiend into the torture chamber.

Dame Malexiel was waiting inside. The paladin was clad in her ceremonial armor, small silver plates and black leather straps, crisscrossing over her perfectly toned body, covering her most exquisite parts while hinting at so much more, and covering her head save for her proud, angelic face and a ponytail of flame-red hair.

She gently stroked the cat-o'-nine-tails she held before her, and considered the latest soul she had rescued from the clutches of damnation. "Are you prepared?" she asked, her voice ringing with an even measure of cold discipline and considerate empathy.

Vilesseth nodded silently, burning devotion in her eyes.

The Sisters dragged her to the manacles hanging from the ceiling, locked her wrists within them, and bound her arms high, binding her so that she was lifted from her feet and left hanging and helpless..

>> No.10590917


The succubus simply hung there as the Sisters left the room. She could hear the clicking of Malexiel's boots on the stone behind her, but she could not turn herself to see her. Attempting to would have broken the rules anyway.

She waited for what must have been an hour. She kept silent the entire time, a momentary shudder of the anticipation of the first strike was all that betrayed her eagerness for what was to come.

She heard the whistle of air being displaced a fraction of a second before her back went white-hot with searing pain, and biting cold soreness the next instant, as the many tipped strands of the cat-o'-nine-tails lashed her back between her clipped wings. She cried out in agony and ecstacy, her legs jerking up and twisting against each other as another blow graced her shoulders, then her backside.

She was dripping now. Sweat only accounted for most of what now pooled on the floor underneath her, as the juices of arousal began to run down her thighs.

>> No.10590933


The cold iron tips of the lash scored into her flesh again and again. The remains of her wings twitched wildly with each strike. Her arms reflexively lifted her ever so slightly with each hit before she went limp once more. Her skin was burning all over with desire, her back was aflame with agony.

The whipping stopped, and the paladin slowly paced around the succubus, stepping before her penitent prisoner. She took Vilessieth's chin in her hand and lifted her head to look her master in the eye. A genuinely warm smile graced the holy warrior's face.

"You are doing well. Continue to suffer gladly, and you will earn your first rings this night."

The succubus smiled, her eyes tearing now not from the pain but from the joy of the boon she was to be granted. She would have cold iron driven into her now hardened nipples so long as she mastered herself. So long as she mastered her base desires....

Malexiel ran a gloved hand down the succubus' neck, carressing one breast before pinching and twisting the nipple until a piercing squeal was drawn from the fiend's lips. Her fingers continued downward, tracing the tips along her navel, down to the edge of Vilesseth's womanhood. She pulled her hand away after just barely brushing the bright, pink clitoris, glistening with the fiend's arousal.

The denial was part of the punishment. Malexia stood back for a moment, watching and waiting as the succubus shuddered with her instinctual desires.

>> No.10590945


Then, without warning, the paladin stepped to the side to pull out a piece of equpment Vilesseth had never seen before. She knew what it was. She had simply never seen it put to use by the Sisters.

It was a "horse". The wheeled, triangular platform was lined with cold metal, etched with divine runes. Those runes glowed softly as the horse was drawn near the fiend.

Vilesseth was afraid for just a moment, afraid of failure. Afraid of letting her mistress, and herself down, of having to start over. But she steeled herself. They had been building towards this. She had to be ready for this trial.

Malexiel grasped the succubus by the throat, llifting her up just enough to slide the horse beneath her. She then let her down softly.

The fiend gasped, an aching, primal sound, as she felt the cold iron edge press into her. It set her loins aflame with pain and pleasure. Her wetness was already running down the slopes of the device when Malexiel locked her ankles in place upon it.

The paladin looked her slave in the eyes. Tears and sweat soaked her body. Her lips quivered her voice faint as she tried to stifle her moans. Malexiel kissed her softly upon the lips, to let her know that she was not alone.

"Now begins the Litany of the Edge. For twelve hours you must remain, unfulfilled and without release. You remember the prayer?"

Vilesseth nodded weakly.

"Then join me in it." It was an order, firm and unyielding.

>> No.10590954


Villeseth stuttered the first few words, but it became easier. She spoke as Malexiel spoke. The words lifting her spirit and soul so that it could become something more than what it had been. Every error in the recital earned her ten lashes upon her breasts. It helped cast her thoughts and desires in clear contrast. She had faith in Malexiel. She had faith in the woman's goddess. Now she had to find faith in herself as well.

She never came, until the hours had passed and Malexiel allowed her to climax. The orgasm was far more fulfilling, far more powerful than any she had felt in her centuries as a slave of evil.

That night, as the cold, icy pain of cold iron piercing her nipples drew cries of glorious suffering from her lips, she felt as if her spirit had been elevated further from what she had been.

The thought kept her heart and soul warm as she hung from the ceiling of her cell, wrapped from head to toe in leather straps, weights bearing prayer scrolls hanging from the rings that acknowledged her first steps towards the reward of Heaven.

>> No.10591100


Shouldn't a whip-sword function just like a whip with lethal slashing damage when in its whip state and like a normal longsword when it's a sword?

Should changing the sword's form be a quick action, a move action?

>> No.10591291


>self mutilators who use it to gain power versus some who choose/are chosen to be mutilated by an outside force to Give Up power?

That's something to think about. Maybe the sacrificed should get something for what they're giving up. Nothing they can use for themselves maybe, but maybe the get some sort of morale boosting aura, or healing properties.

Oh wait...morale boosting aura = living battle banners!

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>> No.10591448

DiabloII paladin skill: Sacrifice.

Hurt yourself to do mega-damage.

>> No.10591471


Probably provides oversight and guidance to whatever groups handle the reformation of demons and devils. They might even provide the info needed to come up with the specific rituals needed for each type of fiend.

How the fuck do you come up with a cleansing ritual for an ice devil though?

>> No.10591511


Or maybe they take on the wounds of those around them, hurting themselves to heal their allies!

Maybe they get a template slapped on them, give them a great CON boost so they can keep it up a bit.

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5 Level Prestige Class.

Adds no BAB, BAB should be completely lost anyway.

Adds a caster level on the 1st, 3rd, 5th level?
Provides an aura that widens in range every level.

The sacrificed can use touch-delivered healing and buffing spells on any one target within that aura. The sacrificed can only use positive spells(healing, buffing) like this, perhaps?

The sacrificed gains a special ability to take damage in order to heal everyone within her aura for the equivalent amount. Or maybe the sacrificed should have to sacrifice X amount of HP, and depending on how much is given, they get to roll a higher dice pool for healing rolls?

Aura provides morale bonus equal to sacrificed-level? Sounds like a bit much, but considering how much a sacrificed is giving up, it seems like a fair trade.

>> No.10591848

>Abbey full of Voldos

>Head Abbess Voldo


>> No.10591960

Flagellents are a fairly well known sect of actual Christian practices in the middle ages. they performed self torture for the sake of 'scourging the flesh and reviling the sins of the body'.

The sacrificed wouldn't be a very good addition to the class, because they would have to gain some phenomenal benefit for reducing their ability to help others. A strong body and mind are essential for protecting those not strong enough to help themselves, and likewise, a strong body and mind are required for those who serve as whipping boys/girls for the punishment meant for others.

If the sacrifice is an important aspect of your deity, I would recommend a potent boon for the sacrifice - loss of an arm granting a magical shield bonus, loss of legs grantign a poferul healign ability to use on others, loss of eyes grantign prophecy (and blindsense or even blind sight).

You might want to look through the Oracle class in the Pathfinder SRD for examples of curses that give boons - each oracle has a powerful curse they suffer under and they get some serious power for doing so.

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I had heard the Oracle class's penatlies were pretty light, and could be bought off. Kind of wrote it off at that point. I'll give it another looksee, thanks!

>> No.10592084


Strategists and Tacticians offered specific mechanics dealing with the loss of hands, feet, arms and legs. Maybe that could be used to balance whatever they would get in exchange for going the Oracle route.

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>> No.10592264

They are pretty light - they're mostly a roleplayign mechanic, not meant to be a true penalty. That's why they're a good example for a self-sacrificng class.

>> No.10592276

Now here's a problem:

What's the holy symbol?

>> No.10592327

A small silver iron maiden (human-figured casket). Expensive ones could actually open revealing a bound figure of the goddess within.

>> No.10592483



>> No.10592489


and if a pictographic, rather then physical, icon is required i would suggest two links of a chain.

you know, ∞

anyhow, saved locally.
and while i am no dungeon critter, i can at least say that you don't seem to be doing anything "wrong". lawful good SSC goddess/domina figure. clever.

<3 /tg/
stuff that gets done is just odd.

>> No.10592499

New Spell:


School conjuration (creation); cleric 3

Casting Time 1 standard action

Components V, S, DF

Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)

Target one humanoid creature

Duration 1 hour/level (D); see text

Saving Throw REFLEX negates; see text; Spell Resistance yes

Black, rubbery material made of manifest darkness comes into being, quickly enveloping the target. If the target is caught by it, they are almost instantly encased entirely by the substance, binding them. The target does not immediately fall prone if they manage to pass a balance check, but they are otherwise completely helpless unless they can tear free with a successful STR check or Escape Artist attempt.

The substance allows air in and out, allowing the captured target to breathe.

Does this sound remotely balanced? I'm a fluff person, not so good with crunch. Should the duration be changed? What should the DC be for the checks to escape?

>> No.10592530


Heh, thanks.

Ideally, I'm shooting for something that would make actual enthusiasts happy and also something that would make the more usual good-aligned character types go "Okay, so they're a bit strange. They're alright though."

>> No.10592564


>you know, ∞

Chain links as infinity symbol. You could build a whole mythos off of that.

>> No.10592746

Sacrificed Supplicant of Ardarvia
BAB: Mediium
Good Saves: Fort, Will
Must be Lawful, Minimum BAB +5, must be a worshiper of Ardarvia.

The Sacrificed of Ardarvia, rather than makign themselves scourges of evil and maintainers of order and law, take the role of submissives, allowing themselves to be used by the members as examples of service in good faith, submission to the higher powers - in some cases the Highest Power - as a dedication of faith in the ways of their goddess. These Supplicants are often mistaken for the adherents of a terrible goddess of pain and torture and destruction, the Helotry of Xiombarg. It becomes very quickly apparent that these Supplicants are quite different; they are adherents to the Rule of Laqw, the dedication to serve as a means to better others, and the defense of the helpless. Many Supplicants started their careers as "Whipping Boys", young men or women who were companions to noble children and beloved by them, and who took the whippings for punishment that the nobles were supposed to receive when they did wrong as children.

>> No.10592769

Ectoplasmic Cocoon, from Expanded Psionic Handbook can be used as an example, along with Entangling Ectoplasm.

>> No.10592799

have any of you ever thought about how terrifying captivity would actually be

like really thought about it. like thought about the idea that you'd have no escape and the only thing saving you would be the mercy of your captor

how is it "good" to simulate that

>> No.10592810


That is a damn good basis to work from.

Also very curious about this Helotry of Xiombarg.

>> No.10592833

Because in 'bondage', it's generally consentual.

>> No.10592850

You sir, just BLEW MY MIND

>> No.10592859


The EPH stuff is in the SRD, right?


Key word: Willing.

Although that raises a question. Isn't Imprisonment a little harsh to be a domain spell?

>> No.10592864

it's consensual, simulating nonconsensual. it's fake rape. no, it's not rape, but it's not not-rape either. it's like a paladin playing "inquisition".

"hey guys guess whose houses i'm going to burn down for being pagans and heretics: it's yours! hahaha" but then they say the safeword so it's okay

>> No.10592886

Dominance would be a better domain than glory. Good makes no sense, Neutral fits more.

>> No.10592899




Please don't shit up this thread with a retread of that noise.

>> No.10592905

OP, you need to visit /d/ and make an invitation thread there to this one. There's /d/iscussions about this topic all the time.

>> No.10592919

Not in sadism.

>> No.10592922

>how is it "good" to simulate that
Ever heard really devoted Christfags talk about god?

They describe it in pretty D/s ways.

>> No.10592925


Oh god no.

>> No.10592944


Someone should, at least.

>> No.10592955

Strength could work, too.

>> No.10592975

and Pain

>> No.10593002

1st Level: No increase in Spellcasting ability for a spellcaster. The Supplicant of Ardarvia gains the ability to take on the hurts of others. They gain the ability to cast "Shield Other" as a spell-like ability at will. They also gain a +2 inherent bonus to Con. They also gain Deathwatch as a permanent spell effect; this effect is considered a Supernatural ability.
2nd Level: Increase in Spellcasting ability, but no class ability increases. They also gain the supernatural ability to use the Status spell on anyone within 60' as a move equivalent action.
3rd level: Another increase in Spellcasting Ability. They gain another +2 inherent bonus to Constitution.
4th level: No increase in Spellcasting ability. The Supplicant is granted the ability to attempt to restore life to a character who has died no more than 1 round previous. They may use this ability to Revivify as a Spell Like Ability once per day; this increases to twice per day at 5th level; this also increases the time the character has been dead to two rounds. They may only attempt this once per body, and may only successful do so if the spirit is willing to return. This ability has no effect on undead. Success means the deceased has returned to life with one hit point. Any uncast spells they had memorized are retained if they are a spellcaster. Spells that have been cast are still lost.

>> No.10593005


Pain would be great if it wasn't saddled with all the evil shit.

That was one of the problems with Book of VIle Darkness, apparently BDSM is inherently evil by the author's standards.

Meanwhile the biggest kink in Exalted Deeds was, oh....nudity. BIG WOOP.

>> No.10593014

There needs to be a Chaotic Evil god of Sadism.

Domain; Sadism.
Inflict light wounds, inflict medium wounds, Inflict heavy wounds, Vamperic Touch, Phantasmal killer. Things along these lines.

>> No.10593029


OP here. Do any of you guys adding stuff mind if I steal this stuff for the final version? These are some great ideas being thrown out here.(holy symbol, this PrC, etc.)

>> No.10593038


Isn't that Xiombarg?

Or is that CN?

>> No.10593067

Not sure. I normally make my own Pantheon for each game.

>> No.10593153


It's a name I've seen thrown around here a lot. Think it's a reference to a Moorcock character. Never heard of the Helotry untril today though.

>> No.10593182

Where can I find this information later? Is there any place this will be archived or the final version posted for sure? I have to sleep now, but I find this whole thread relevant to my interests.

>> No.10593185

I'll post a link to it momentarily. The EPH info is in the SRD, yes.

5th level: Increase in Spellcasting ability. The Supplicant is granted the ability to negate the death of another by accepting the damage to themselves instead. As an immediate action, when someone is put into negative hit points, the Supplicant may instead instantly transfer all of the damage suffered to himself while the victim suffers none; no magical protection can prevent the Supplicant from taking this damage, and any effects, poisons, or status effects associated with the damage are also transferred. The Supplicant recieves another +2 inherent bonus to Con.

Bear in mind that inherent bonuses do not stack, so the Supplicant cannot benefit from either a Tome of Gainful Exercise or whatever the con-increasing one is, nor can he benefit from wishes to increase his con score.

>> No.10593225

Differing tastes. You may not like it, but some people do. Don't take your opinion for natural law.

>> No.10593241

Xiombarg does tend to be more evil in the Moorcock Mythos. Xiombarg's Storyteller paints her as pretty much Chaotic Neutral Evil in the stories and PrC Helotry classes.

As for this class, feel free to steal it. It's a rough draft, and maybe a little overpowered.

>> No.10593245


I'll be posting it here when it's all done, see if there's anything else that needs to be added/changed. Hopefully if it's good enough it can make it to the archive on suptg. That's up to the fates though.

Not taking any credit for any of it of course. Just Anonymous.

Either way hopefully someone will save it and put it up somewhere if people actually like it and might get some real use out of it, whether its for a game or just fapfic inspiration or whatever they choose to roll with.

>> No.10593261


Thanks! Trust me, your mechanics are probably more well thought out than mine.

>> No.10593268

I've seen people in very successful, very loving D/s relationships that were neither harmful nor dangerous. I've seen supposedly 'normal' marriages where there was more pain and anguish going on than any BDSM relationship to.

Like I said earlier, don't bring lifestyle into a game made for escapism.

>> No.10593274

Here is the Helotry of Xiombarg, complete with writefaggotry.


>> No.10593282

I think I'll be stealing this and adapting it to 2nd edition AD&D, thank you.

>> No.10593308


Post session reviews!

>> No.10593315


fukken saved

>> No.10593323

It probably wont come up, she'll be going in the section of "minor cults", potential sources of adventure hooks to be used at a later date.

>> No.10593342

And I've seen people in very abusive and harmful bdsm relationships and very good 'vanilla' marriages.

>> No.10593351

Charm and Glory. Could these be switched out for something more fitting?

Charm has some stuff that kind of goes against the consentual nature of the goddess, really.

>> No.10593352

There was a request for the Justiciar vrs. the Helotry story earlier - do people want that posted here?

>> No.10593391

Glory makes sense - Nobility perhaps? We are tryign for a faith that believes that control and domination, used lovingly, is right and proper, while submission, when earned and given the respect it deserves, is a good thing as well. This is what Nobility idealizes; replace Charm with that. I would definitely keep glory though.

>> No.10593393

Well, consent really need only apply to those that care about other's right to consent. D&D morality is very based on an eye for an eye and evil creatures are generally fair game for good characters to be fairly horrible to.

>> No.10593394
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Answer: Commencing F5F5F5F5

>> No.10593411

Shocking news, both standard and non-standard relationship models can work. Relationships are nothing more than a social contract agreed to by both parties for mutual benefit.

>> No.10593445


Hell, the one original spell that's turned up in this is downright humane. Humiliating at worst.

Come to think of it, humiliation should be a big thing for this church. Ritual humiliation amongst their own maybe. Definitely used as punishment against evildoers.

Naked drow in pillories, weights according to their crimes hanging from their nipples, made to crawl before crowds, all while being protected from actual harm.

>> No.10593463


I'm convinced, done!

>> No.10593482

Don't have to convince me. The whiner complain that BDSM is inherently bad is the one I was giving grief.

>> No.10593550

The fact that the relationship is "good" doesn't mean that the simulated act is any better. It's still emulating something that's distinctly harmful and also VERY REAL in the universe we'd be talking about. A paladin wouldn't pretend to rape someone, would they?

>> No.10593556

Oh, this sucks - no copypasted writefaggotry allowed. I'd have to retype the whole damn thing. So, allow me to offer a convenient upload for you to download.


>> No.10593580
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The one thing that came to mind when I thought about this faith punishing the "unredeemable" evil was something that one random ero gamer was big on for his villains. I remember it fairly well because he was fond of describing it in detail. A gimp suit that bonds to the skin, forming a layer much like that of a second skin, highlighting every feature of their form while obscuring any semblance of facial identity. As I recall, it couldn't be removed and nullified any magical powers possessed. Wasn't exactly my thing, but just a random thought for what could be their version of their "punishment worse than death" if they aren't big on the whole redemption through magic bit.

Gimp dickgirl semi-related.

>> No.10593581


How is this worse than playing dnd in the first place. You don't think it's cool to actually go out and kill people with swords do you?

>> No.10593589

I doubt there would be rape play involved. There would still be dominance and submission in the sect. Binding someone and enforcing the rule of law, controlling their actions so they are prevented from harming others, or encouraging other actions through reward and punishment is a staple of fictional lawful good societies.

>> No.10593592

In a controlled and consensual situation? Sure. Paladin doesn't mean nice, and playing an NC game with a willing adult isn't wrong. In fact, if that is the kind of stuff in the dark corners of the paladin's mind it might be best to get them out in a safe, sane and consensual situation.

>> No.10593606

>A paladin wouldn't pretend to rape someone, would they?
If both of them were enjoying it? Why not?

I pretend to rape my boyfriend, because it gets both of us off. He has a safeword, he knows how to use it.

>> No.10593608


Thanks for the effort, Anon. Link deeply appreciated.

>> No.10593613

Given that high-powered businessmen go to dominatrixes, I can see a paladin being *really* into BDSM in his personal life.

>> No.10593618


I miss that artist. Papermania, where did you go?

>> No.10593624

Yes, because the person being "raped" is consenting to it and both parties are taking pleasure in the act which is ultimately just an unconventional expression of desire.

>> No.10593644


High powered business men feel the need to shut off that type A "I am the one in control, I make the decisions, if I fuck up 1000 people lose their jobs" malarkey.

So it seems to me almost any adventurer might develop those sort of kinks once they reach the level where they're doing "save the world" type campaigns.

>> No.10593661


Considering the stuff they apparently put fiends through to redeem them, something this elaborate might be up their alley for lost causes.

Would they be robbed forever of any pleasure? Would they be brought to the cusp of climax and held there forever without release? Or would they be in constant pleasure to the point that their minds were wrecked by it, cleaning the slate?

...okay, that last one may not be so good.

>> No.10593672

Alternatively, the really good ones might go the other way. I'm super nice and indulgent in my personal life, but I'm really into the D and S parts of BDSM. I like to deal out pain and be in total control (within safeword boundaries, of course) in the bedroom. I'm far from the only person like this.

>> No.10593699


>So it seems to me almost any adventurer might develop those sort of kinks once they reach the level where they're doing "save the world" type campaigns.

And that leads to paladins of gods allied with this goddess going to her paladins, barring chaste or monogomously spoken for types.

>> No.10593715

I think this is what differentiates the Helotry of Xiombarg from the Supplicants and Paladins of Ardarvia - the Supplicants and Paladins of Ardarvia are in this for the teaching, the control of those impulses, and constructive, proper, gentle, SAFE outlets. the Helotry are obsessed with an impossible, improbably affection for a possibly nonexistent goddess that Xiombarg supposedly fell in love with, and emulate that goddess as a mystery cult, with psychics removing limbs, organs, even their bodies in memoriam, and the Bondage Witches torturing and possibly maiming themselves for the sake of power and lust. Worse, neither one can effectively use the techniques they practice on each other because it's a positive feedback loop - it's worship on both sides.

Yeah, these two groups would be explosively hateful towards each other.

>> No.10593729

I think a faith like this would ultimately have a great deal of variance in the specifics based on who was in charge within a certain region. In the case of the evil, I can imagine them taking attitudes ranging from "firm guiding hand" to "anything goes" considering that they can range from LG to NG to LN. So the potential for what happens to such lost causes is great indeed if you ask me.

Though really, I think LN would be a bit more reasonable for this. Not because I think BDSM is inherently not good, but because I believe that LE could be a good addition to this faith.

>> No.10593742


Aaaaand that's a campaign hook if I've ever seen one

>> No.10593777

>>have any of you ever thought about how terrifying captivity would actually be
like really thought about it. like thought about the idea that you'd have no escape and the only thing saving you would be the mercy of your captor
how is it "good" to simulate that

You've never tried this have you? BDSM is consensual, the sub is agreeing to everything that's happening. Most couples don't even use safewords - if you know each well then you know when they are or aren't enjoying it.

The biggest challenge to being a good dom is constantly finding new "punishments" for your sub that she'll enjoy....

>> No.10593785


On the one hand, I agree that it would be great to have a LE option for these guys.

On the other, there's just something awesome about this goddess being LG.

Maybe a heretical splinter faith? By a fallen angel of Ardavia, who has fallen just as her goddess did eons earlier?

Maybe the main faith would be driven to bring them back into the fold, just as their goddess seeks to reclaim her lost disciple. Maybe the fallen one really thinks she is properly exalting her goddess' virtues.

>> No.10593798


Oh shit this is awesome.

>> No.10593821

Alternatively, just a hands off take on the faith ala Eberron that allows clerics to be any alignment.

>> No.10593861

Thinking about it further, I remember that he was big on the suits for anything that was meant to become what I could best describe as a "fuck toy". The entire purpose of which was pleasure for its owner. Perhaps something along those lines, more or less left to free reign of the priest in charge.

>> No.10593885

As a matter of fact, some people do think about this.

Bearing in mind we are talking completely fictionally here, it is not unreasonable that a sect of GOOD people could condone and encourage safe avenues for this behavior. Hell, non-fictionally there are people who advocate safe and safe BDSM play. People who are experienced in the lifestyle have often experienced the non consensual when they've been foolish or when someone was being stupid and ignoring safe words. Likewise, most experienced dommes and doms will perform as subbesw so they understand what it feels like to be helplkess and threatened and having to rely on the person you are dealing with for safety.

Fictionally. We're talkign about people who can make you their frind instantly with a few words and a gesture, completely control you body and mind, and forces that can entrap you as a prisoner of your own body as they possess you. A sect of paladins like this would seem like a very good example of what might happen if a sexually open society encouraged the difference between nobility and serfs as a religious experience.

>> No.10593929



How should an inquisition within the church to stamp out heresy be handled?

Maybe it would be left for the LN types to handle, but fuck me if I can think of a good way for them to proceed.

>> No.10593948

Probably the same way an inquisition would be handled in any church with access to divination magic. Which is just underscoring to me why I dislike alignments in general. Since such a heresy would be as easy to uproot as dispel magic + detect evil.

>> No.10593961

Well, there are variant paladins - instead of a Paladin of Tyranny, you have a Paladin of Dominion, placing all those below him under a velvet covered iron first. He would obey only his betters, who hold more power, and undoubtedly he's absolutely abase himself towards those higher in the echelons, even submittign himself for their pleasure, men and women alike. But to those under him, if they are good and true servants, they would find themselves empowered by his will and his strength, serving as an army in his name. Those he finds worthless are abased absolutely, until they are broken, and then raised up, taught and molded into the perfect servants and slaves.

>> No.10593985


What if the heresy isn't inherently evil, just bad news for the church?

Not saying DETECTAN isn't a problem for the way a lot of people like to run their games, but I'm thinking of some subtle heresies as well.

Then again, yeah,, mind reading magic.

>> No.10594013

Well, the particular heresy in question was an LE sect/splinter. But more routine heresies can be easily rooted out with magic as well.

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That leads to another sticky issue. The subs in that society would be completely unused to the more humane treatment afforded by the Ardavians. They might even prefer the LE option since they really do feel they are worthless.

>> No.10594065

Well, the most likely examples of heresy would be those abusing power, domineering rather than controlling with a firm hand. they would probablky be removed from ranks, possibly even punsihed by being forced to submit for atonement.

Remember, alignment is a guideline, not a hard and fast rule, even in 3.5. Detect evil might not work on someone who honstely believes he's doing this for the greater good - and when presented with proof through a detect alignment spell or power, he might flip out and suspect his accussers of plottign his downfall. Or, he might become truly repentant and undertake atonement on his own.

Lawful good does not mean lawful stupid except in PC cases and for plot points.

>> No.10594066

There's a good chance such a culture would end up overthrowing the Ardarvians for being weak in their eyes.

>> No.10594089
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SHOULD this thing do only as much damage as a whip? There's a big honking difference, looking at it.

>> No.10594092

If someone truly believing what they do is for the greater good absolves them of having an evil alignment, than there aren't gonna be many evil characters at all. The simple fact is that the nature of D&D morality and the availability of the type of magic kill much of the potential for drama within the setting.

>> No.10594102

Just use whip dagger/nagaika stats.

>> No.10594119


>Well, the most likely examples of heresy would be those abusing power, domineering rather than controlling with a firm hand. they would probablky be removed from ranks, possibly even punsihed by being forced to submit for atonement.

I like this, also the idea of handing them the same punishments given to some criminals, but harsher than what they would have given an non-Ardavian for commiting the same crime. They would expect better from their own.

>> No.10594122

Actually the nagaika (Masters of the Wild, it's a glass studded whip that does 1d6 damage with x3 crit and no limitations on who it can damage) is particularly appropriate for this faith in my opinion.

>> No.10594136

That thing Will get caught on something and get pulled apart at the worst possible moment.
It is full of fail, it doesn't need stats

>> No.10594141


It doesn't happen to have a sword-form option does it? ;)

>> No.10594156

Whether or not they have an evil alignment is up to the GM to determine. It rather depends on what they do and why. Sure, detection spells are effective, up to a point. A cheap ring completely defeats both detect evil and know alignment, and there are a number of spells available to do the same. By the time the person is willfully trying to avoid his alignment being detected, then he's pretty much chosen for evil anyways.

>> No.10594186

>Hurpaderp, realism in D&D.

No, but I believe such a thing should be a magic item of the faith. Perhaps a +1 holy sword that as a swift (or maybe even immediate) action can take on the characteristics of either a nagaika or whip dagger.

>> No.10594206

Hence why I said dispel magic. Uprooting evil members of a good faith is as simple as ordering them to undress, using detect magic to ensure no magic items are on them, then dispelling magic until no more magical auras remain and using detect evil. There is no secrecy that can be maintained in a church that's intelligently run.

>> No.10594242


Makes sense. There's no way Ivy's sword can NOT be magical in nature. Too expensive for most devotees to be able to keep one of their goddess' favored weapons around.

Still, the Ivy sword would be great as the requisite Holy Avenger type item for this church.

>> No.10594261

Nothing says clerics have to keep their patron's favored weapon on hand. I'd imagine just as many members of this faith would go for a more conventional and practical combat arm. Such magical items could easily be something to strive towards among the lesser faithful.

>> No.10594262

Ah, but then you run into politics, a machine that has destroyed more lawful good societies than it has saved. The policies of the church itself might require proof of heresy before any attempt at spellcasting can be condoned. And even then the results of the spells will be questioned as a result of the potential for political manuvering through accusations of heresy.

Remember, this is a society based on tradition, control, dominance over others as the accepted norm. It would be incredibly antithetical to question your superiors without damning evidence of heresy. A submissive might seek out a higher ranked priest to confess to, and that priest would then have to go up the chain of command, and might have to work around the paladin or priest accused of heresy.

Welcome to the plot hook generator.

>> No.10594293

Ehhh, I'd still just rather go with something other than D&D for such a faith. Not saying you have to, but I'd prefer something without objective morality and common access to mind reading magic.

>> No.10594294

Needs more chain-related spells.

And the Bondage domain is missing its domain power.

>> No.10594323


I have been to several different BDSM groups in my area. From my experience, the vast majority of BDSM practitioners are in fact, are a perfect fit for the definition of evil. Also: old, fat and ugly... but I digress :)

>> No.10594336

I doubt that, probably a selfish neutral. They're not out causing intentional misery on the populace.

>> No.10594387

You dealt with some messed up people then. There are a lot out there....but no less so than say, Christians, Islamic sects, Policemen, Corporate CEOs, or any other population segment you bother to look into.

>> No.10594402

>. From my experience, the vast majority of BDSM practitioners are in fact, are a perfect fit for the definition of evil
Bwuh? How so?

>> No.10594421

Bondage Domain Power:
You increase the difficulty to escape from grapples, ropes, or other non-spell bindings you inflict by your character level in the casting class you gain the Domain power from.

>> No.10594444

He's trolling. Or, just really stupid in how he goes about meeting BDSM active people.

>> No.10594469
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I'd fiinally take ranks in Use Rope.

>> No.10594477

BDSM's sexy, but me and my girlfriend get even more fun out of laughing at the crazies and peole who take it way too seriously.

>> No.10594486

Might be a bit overpowered. Against humanoid opponents, it can basically mean a grapple shutdown at mid levels if they don't have a magical way to escape.

>> No.10594488


Spent yesterday evening hanging out with a friend with my girlfriend/pet at my feet, snuggling my leg.

Feels good man.

>> No.10594491

So do most people who are actually into the BDSM lifestyle.

That's a good idea actually - the Domain power also gives Use Rope as a class skill.

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devout monk of the faith.

>> No.10594519
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I just thought of what their choirs could be like.

Parallel bars going across the room.

Perfectly trained subs with great vocal range hanging from them in rows.

A lever with a dildo fixed to the end placed between each of their legs, and a lash of some sort fixed to another lever at each of their backs.

And all of the levers are tied to the organ keyboard a cleric is sitting at, preparing to play.

And there are no organ pipes.

>> No.10594520

The fact that there are people out there who are right into the BDSM "lifestyle" and "community" never fails to make me chuckle.

Umm excuse me what are you guys doing, you're not even following the correct Gorean slave protocols gaaah!!

Tee hee hee!

>> No.10594529

True. Limit to bindings and ropes?

>> No.10594534

Your posting format says to me that you should stop posting. Anyhow, I've kept longterm sub relationships before, it's not inconceivable as a lifestyle.

>> No.10594535


Except most BDSM types fucking detest Gor.

>> No.10594539

At least they're not trying to actively convert you like the furries are, hmn?

>> No.10594541

>The fact that there are people out there who are right into the BDSM "lifestyle" and "community" never fails to make me chuckle.
Uh, what's wrong with that? We go to play parties, she has a "public collar" choker she doesn't take off unless I take it off her, etc. It works fine for us. "Lifestyle" =/= "hurr Gor".

>> No.10594552

I've never had a furry try to convert me.

>> No.10594554


Fuck I miss that series.


Speaking of overpowered, what about a Mass Sheathing spell? Good idea/terrible idea?

>> No.10594555

I'd say lower bonus. Perhaps Improved Grapple as a bonus feat, use rope as a class skill, and +1 to the difficulties of escaping bindings every 2-3 levels?

>> No.10594570


I'm not trolling. I went to a few meets locally. The first one I went to was advertised as a singles meet, but it was a bait and switch. A bunch of repulsive couples who turned away single men because they were fishing for MFF threesomes. -_-

The second few meets I went to, it became clear that the local community was organized by a sleazy gang of stoner drug dealers and their junkie subs. It's a real nest of vipers full of repugnant mother fuckers.

>> No.10594584

I think there is a Mass Ectoplasmic Coccoon power in the ExPH or the SRD under psionics.

>> No.10594591

I'm sorry. I'm sorry for posting wrong ;_;

I don't detest it, I just find it really, really funny.

One of them did try once, but tbh. I have no real problem with either.

Yeah, we do all of that stuff too, but there's a difference between a lifestyle and putting on a gag for kicks every couple of nights.

The only people who regularly try and convert me are atheists and the Socialist Alliance

>> No.10594600

That's one local community. You can't judge everyone by those standards. That's a lot like saying the entire of Christianity is a monstrously bigoted group of radical hatemongers because the local Christians here are a monstrously bigoted group of radical hatemongers.

See what I did there?

>> No.10594602

Can we get back to happy BDSM goddess and paladins?

>> No.10594603

For those spells, just rip off the ectoplasmic cocoon powers. They accomplish the same effect, just remove the vulnerability to dismiss ectoplasm.

>> No.10594614

>Yeah, we do all of that stuff too, but there's a difference between a lifestyle and putting on a gag for kicks every couple of nights.
What's the difference? She calls me Sir when we're alone or around other people who are into BDSM, asks for permission to do things, only gets to come when I let her, etc. Obviously we take time-out when we need to discuss something serious, she's not feeling well, etc, but I'd identify that as "lifestyle". It's a BDSM relationship, just like gay relationships are, well, gay.

>> No.10594618

My first meet I attended (years back):
>sixty people
>top floor of a bar
>private playrooms
>waivers at the door
>on-site security I am impressed with
>decent social circles, some random jerks, few drama-types

Recent visit (six months ago):
>its held in a BBQ rib joint's back room
>four people
>two hambeasts
>two sleazy guys trying to sleep with one or both
>me leaving without further introductions than "Hi"

I've seen kinkier turnouts at an Amish barn raising.

>> No.10594620

>The first one I went to was advertised as a singles meet, but it was a bait and switch. A bunch of repulsive couples who turned away single men because they were fishing for MFF threesomes. -_-

>> No.10594638

Also, might I recommend that the OP place this on a blog or a wiki or something?

You know, /tg/ really could do with a homebrew wiki.

>> No.10594651

I guess it really depends on one's definition of a "lifestyle". I still find it hard to take that kind of thing seriously, but that's just me! (I am a bad sub)

>> No.10594661

ave satan , ave lucifer, ave satan, ave lucifer, ave satan!

>> No.10594662

Nobody's asking you to. She likes it a lot, and so do I. I get a little tingle when we're out somewhere and she quietly and respectfully asks for permission to do something.

A tingle in my pants.

>> No.10594668

You mean, like maybe 1d4chan or something?

No lashings for you then.

>> No.10594705

I don't really know if 1d4chan qualifies. Flooding it with homebrew would probably be rather frowned upon. I was thinking something just dedicated to homebrew, sorted by system.

>> No.10594806


Yeah, if someone wanted to add it to 1d4chan, coolness, but I'd feel presumptuous putting any of my own stuff there.

I'll try to lern2blog/wiki when this is finished. I'm shooting for the next and maybe final draft to go up here next Friday night. Might be Saturday instead depending on how other stuff plays out.

>> No.10594853

I'll be sure to keep an eye out for it. So far this is fairly interesting.

>> No.10594885

That church should be strongly against drugs. For full control and experience, you need clarity.

>> No.10594904

Ardavia really needs a pic.

OP pic is fine for a cleric maybe, but for a goddess, like she's described?

>> No.10594911

I have to admit, the concept of a good character who doesn't mind slavery as long as the slave is well treated is amusing.

>> No.10594920

You forgot the VOLUNTARY point.

>> No.10594921


Completely overlooked and a great point.

They would probably come down like a hammer on sex crimes too.

>> No.10594922

> I have to admit, the concept of a good character who doesn't mind slavery as long as the slave is well treated is amusing.
Forgotten Realms

Their Egypt-place has slavery and is LG overall. The chief, LG god is cool with slavery.

>> No.10594938

Actually, not to sound off or anything, would you mind sending an email to my disposable account so I don't lose track of this? The fluff for this is fairly intriguing.

>> No.10594939

I had an Exalted character from Great Forks (a place where there are lots of slaves, but they have it a lot better than slaves in most parts of Creation) that was pretty much like this.

>> No.10594947


Bondage without the chaos that is love and passion is merely slavery.

>> No.10594959

There are plenty of cases where that could be viable. It all depends on the law of the land and the particular character's view on life. I'd imagine many LG types would be fine with slavery inflicted on the evil/criminals in accordance with the local laws.

>> No.10594988

Indentured Servitude is also another name for slavery that isn't based on enslavement, but a paying off of debts.

>> No.10595039

Mind if I post an updated zip of your stories?

>> No.10595053

If you like.

>> No.10595056

Drugs, in turn, alter your perception and rob you of control. In a sexual situation based on dominance and submission, control is important. You have to be able to end it at any instant, or it stops being safe. The moment it goes past the safeword or other agreed signal, it becomes rape.

>> No.10595066


Not at all! I'm going to be tied up off and on this weekend, but I'll get back when I can!

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>tied up on and off this weekend

>> No.10595147

But alternatively both people can just abandon themselves to it. Knowing each other well enough to not need to use the safe word. Instincts and chemistry attuned.

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Oh wow.

>> No.10595177

Yet, there is control. I'm talking about why drugs are bad, you're talking about something else.

>> No.10595225

Holy shit I'm digging Xiombarg Storyteller's work.

>> No.10595248

That however assumes the myth of the unaltered mind.

>> No.10595291

Written for Anon at the request of Anon. Anon has only Anon to blame.

>> No.10595379


My thanks to Anon. Marilith story was DAMN.

One thing I realized about this that makes me sad is that barbarians can't really mesh well with this faith. And if there's any class that would be fun to see disciplined and trained into submission, it's barbarians.

Maybe they can worship lightly and enjoy some benefits,, and just not worry about ever having clerics of her.

>> No.10595391

It baffles me to no end that there are people who keep barbarian and bard alignment restrictions in place.

>> No.10595440

Actually, Barbarians have this system in place already.

The strong rule, the weak serve. There isn't any law or order for it - if you think you're stronger, you prove it. On the other hand, a servant that is an excellent servant would probably be coveted by the strongest ruler, and there would be an entire currency exchange based on servant and slave ownership; offering the services of your finest harem girl/boy for the right to ride first in an attack on the neighboring tribe might be an acceptable trade....

>> No.10595463

As an addendum, there would also be the idea that not necessarily sexual or slavery type services make for a good servant in such a culture. Cooking, leatherworking, or metalsmithing might be even more highly coveted skills. Being bound and shackled to the forge might be a sign of faith in the name of the firegods, or promote strength training, meaning that freedom could be possible when you fought your way to the top of the slave tiers.

>> No.10595465


>read this as "offering the services of your finest harem girl/boy to ride first in an attack on the neighboring tribe" at first.

>> No.10595501

....well, a more sophisticated culture might use such warrior slaves as currency or betting material....

>> No.10595524


Thanks, now I can't stop thinking about this.

Maybe an option for halflings and gnomes owning medium sized slaves....like Master Blaster.

>> No.10595582

That is all.

>> No.10595614

Allow me to post inspirational material....

>> No.10595629


Rival faith if in FR.

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>> No.10595694

The only kept Loviatar because Xiombarg was copyrighted material, and Loviatar wasn't.

>> No.10595701


Oh shits, the Spider Garden guy IS perfect for this!

>> No.10595714

Converting those evil "bondage" items like the nipple clasp from Vile Darkness into something good sounds like an idea.

>> No.10595721

Post >>10595614
is the current available Spider Garden series of books.

>> No.10595745

Could also use the 'alternative magic item locations' table from the BoEF. Pierced Mystic is a stupid PrC though.

>> No.10595780
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Warrior Monk of Ardarvia.

>> No.10595785




BoEF was full of all sorts of goofiness, but it's worth mining. Plus it has a spell that lets you have Popeye arms. That makes it all worth it.

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Kind of hard to find his 'relatively' safe for work stuff here.

>> No.10595829

Pathfinder has a superior BDSM deity; Zon-Kuthon.

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Brings whole new meaning to the words Paladin's Holy Mount.

>> No.10595849

I think some of his work actually had some characters that could pass for Sacrificed.Supplicants.

>> No.10595855


Lies. They eventually cut out everything you don't need to live.


Laori Vaus is nice though....

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>> No.10595877

I'll toss down Inamorata as well, which is where those pics came from.


>> No.10595972

Thank you kind Anon(s).

>> No.10595989


Enlarge Person


>> No.10596024

Actually, they use cloned women as ponygirls in Transceptor, as I recall. They don't ride them though, they use them to pull vehicles.

>> No.10596071

Which book had the bound girl hanging from the bow of a boat like a lantern?

Using submissives as objects could be an aspect of their religious customs.

>> No.10596122

That would be the first one, actually.

>> No.10596153

To be precise, that is when the snake woman Squamata arrives. Her boat has a 'gift', the slave bound as the lantern.

>> No.10596187


Gifting of slaves.

Could be a way of building alliances between different sects. Maybe when paladins and other champions of the church reach certain levels of prestige, they recieve such gifts.

The trading and giving of willing slaves could be a neat think to explore.

>> No.10596232

The leadership feat would account for that.

This sect would also be horrified by the very idea of Thrallherds, no matter what alignment the Thrallherd was.

>> No.10596305


What are Thrallherds?

>> No.10596355

Thrallherds are a psychic prestige class from ExPH. they send out a constant psychic signal, unconsciously. People who are of a certain mindset home in on this signal, and they are devoted, subservient slaves to the thrallherd. It's a little like leadership, but more deep - if a Believer dies, the Thrallherd's signal goes off again, and they are replaced within 24 hours. The same for their Thrall (cohort). they are non-good, but not necessarily evil. But the thralls and believers are simply psychically attuned to follow and obey and love the thrallherd - no choice, no consent. It's instinctive to them.

Needless to say, Ardarvia's adherents would find the very concept blasphemous.

>> No.10596390


Holy shit. Those would make great enemies for this church.

Have most clerics and paladins hunt down diabolists and demonologists, and have Ardavia worshippers hunt down thrallherds!

>> No.10596405

ITT: unnecessary, cheap excuses for delicious BDSM.

>> No.10596407

Thrallherds, the Helotry of Xiombarg, the Paladins of Tyranny, and the Priestesses of Loviatar.

They won't be bored!

>> No.10596416

Not quite - it's about Lawful Good BDSM! Much harder to justify.

>> No.10596432


More fun than the norm too.

I wonder if this should be archived even if it isn't finished. There has been a lot of good discussion here.

>> No.10596447


That pretty much just leaves CG unaccounted for in the bondage scene, huh?

What could be argued as being chaotic and good along the lines of this kink?

>> No.10596460

Archiving now, as it fits his "New Fluff" and "Good Discussion" requirements.

>> No.10596490

Justiciars. Tying people up for the sake of keeping them out of trouble so you can collect the reward?

>> No.10596498


>> No.10596505


You think there's a kink they haven't tried in 1000 years of life?

>> No.10596523


More free-wheeling and less focused on responsibility. Probably even forget to take the buttplug out before turning the perp in.

>> No.10596538


Praise Her Lingering Sting

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>> No.10596577

This does explain the low birth rate.

>> No.10596585

What do Ardavians teach their kids about their goddess?

Do they have another diety they devote their children to until they come of age?

>> No.10596597

I think most of the chaoti alignments wouldn't be in it for the whole control thing. It might be something interesting or something they did once back when, but it would most likely devolve or evolve into the barbarian situation above or become a tool for another purpose to them, like the justiciars. There is the whole lack of discipline and control situation with that mindset that makes it unlikely it would ever get past the anarchy "system" or be anything other than an interesting amusement.

>> No.10596628

They problably use metaphors for teachign at first. "She binds us in love, and to contracts and marriage. She teaches us that submittiogn to proper authority is a good thing, and that standing up for the rights of the less fortunate is good and should be done also. Protect those whom owe their allegiance to you, and they will respect you."

Naturally, this is the sort of thing that encourages kids to find out on their own about such things - or instill rebellious attitudes that lead them to the Helotry. Worse, kids with a penchant for cruelty become more tyrannical than understanding, and fall to that path.

>> No.10596667

A critical problem here is the need for a medieval fantasy analogue for latex and rubber. Maybe they could have invented something similar.

There's also the matter of terms like "dildo" and "buttplug" sticking out like a sore thumb. Or maybe that's just me.

>> No.10596674

They had both of these things in 250 BC China, dude.

>> No.10596685

Silk and chamois leather make perfectly viable substitutes. Buttplugs I'm not sure about, but they've had fake cocks since hundreds of years before Christ.

>> No.10596689



Import that stuff from abroad then!

>> No.10596719

Look up Ectoplasmic Skins in the ExPH or the SRD. Congratulations, we made latex.

>> No.10596725


Yeah, delicate situation. Right now that sounds like the best approach, since stepping away from the church until your kid is old enough to deal properly kind of keeps a good chunk of the faithful away for a long time.

I can see why a lot of people would like to just ignore dealing with it, but just for the sake of making this workable in the setting something has to be said.

>> No.10596727

Natural rubber, AKA latex, isn't exactly modern. It's vulcanized tree sap at the base.

>> No.10596731


ExPH has been getting a lot of milage here.

>> No.10596795

And Ardavians having kids brings to mind the notion that a good family of human adherents could be passing an elf slave down the line, generation by generation.

She could be the living archive of the family's history and the keeper of its traditions.

>> No.10596816

That's an interesting concept. I can imagine an elven family having an Elan slave doing the same for them....

Ectoplasm, mind control, and strange powers for plastering your opponents in sticky goo....yeah, it's pretty fetishy if you're looking hard enough.

>> No.10596848

Single tail whips are rarely used in actual BDSM encounters. They require actual learning to use safely.

Spanking and flogging are much more widespread.

>> No.10596870


I just found Fuse Flesh.

You weren't kidding.

>> No.10596954


I think the single-tail whips are there for the imagery.

Or maybe they're just that good. The priests and paladins at least.

>> No.10596961

Complete Psionics is almsot worse. Crystal Binding entraps the opponent in growing vines of crystal that pierces their flesh.....

>> No.10597014


Not sure I could get off to that....

4chan has proven me wrong before though.

>> No.10597103

Plot hook. GM's who don't use the psionics in their campaign normally transfer the worst of the binding, cruelty, control, and other psionic powers as spells to confound their players as the local temple of Ardarvia asks for their help in combating these abusers of the Rule of Law; players later discover what the adherents believe, while confronting a cult of Helots of Xiombarg.

Whose side do they take?

>> No.10597107


Lorna dove out of the inn's window and landed softly on the cobblestones below, breaking into a run instantly. She was naked, she didn't have tie to dress when her mark burst through her door. She could have sworn she hadn't been seen....

She rushed down the streets, keeping to the shadows as much as possible, before ducking into an alley. No one had spotted her. She had lost her pursuer. Now she just had to get some clothes.

She cursed her luck as she stepped through the alley quietly, She had just lost all of the money she had taken that night too. She paused in her step and looked upwards into the night sky. The moon was full, she would have to mind herself if she wanted to remain unseen. She shivered in the cool night air.

When she looked back down, she saw it. A rising crystaline shape, like vines, like veins, was quickly growing up the wall next to her. She stood in shock for only a split second, and readied herself to leap away.

The split second was all it took for it to ensnare her.

>> No.10597172


Two thick spears of crystal shot forward, impaling the palms of her hands and pulling her arms taut.

She screamed in pain as dozens of thin, long crystaline spears stabbed towards her.

Two of them pierced her nippples just under the teats, stopping at a shalow depth before the tips grew outwards in three directions, the new tips becoming visible as they exited her areola.

Two more lunged between her legs. Her labia majora was likewise pierced, and pulled wide.

The rest flew all about, stabbing shallow wounds and hooking in her skin, snaring her.

She screamed, mad with pain, until one final spear shot into her mouth, impaling her tongue, and pulling it tight.

She whimpered as her tiny wounds trickled blood, unable to move from her uncomfortable position. The crystal vines were now perfectly still.

Even through the pain and tears, Lorna could hear the soft footsteps approaching, but she could not turn her head to see.

"He'b! He'b me!"

>> No.10597177

>Her labia majora was likewise pierced, and pulled wide.
Sorry, the writing is too funny to be erotic

>> No.10597206

Lawful Hot Dickings

>> No.10597265

Xiombarg would be pleased.

>> No.10597266


Penis engine, primed and ready

>> No.10597279


You are now aware that all fapfiction on /tg/ is written by an author constantly referring back to the wikipedia pages on "female genital anatomy" and "physiological changes during arousal", lacking any firsthand experience.

>> No.10597281


>> No.10597292

>>10590372 BDSM is a sign of laughable escapism.

>> ..also, you can't dress your girlfriend up like a schoolgirl. It means you're a pedo. MISSIONARY POSITION ALWAYS

>> No.10597303

....XS is a woman. However, she's not likely the author of this peculiar little tale.

>> No.10597334


The newcomer stepped into her sight, near the bindings of crystal.

Her eyes widened with dread as she saw who had approached. The strange bald woman whose purse she had lifted in the tavern. The glow in her eyes was fading. There was no anger in her face. Only faint amusement.

"You look like you've been injured. Poor girl." Her voice rang in the thief's ears with mock pity. "Does it hurt?"

Lorna almost nodded before the pain flaring in her tongue stopped her. "Yef! YEF!"

The psionicist smiled gently and reached into pack, pulling out a thin wand of white oak. She tapped it in her hand, waiting just a moment more, before stepping forward nad whipping the thief across the backside with it.

Lorna winced, but she realized now that the pain had gone. The blood had stopped flowing.

"There. You're healed." the psionicist said, as if comforting a child with a scraped knee.

Lorna almost thanked her, wanting to be quick with her apologies, but she then realized that the crystaline piercings were still in her. They still held her tight where she stood. There was little pain now, just a dull discomfort and momentary flares of a slight stinging sensation where they went into her.

>> No.10597340

"Now you just stay there, alright? They won't hurt unless you try to pull away. Then you'll start bleeding again, badly."

Lorna shivered, each shake of her body making her aware of the crystals now running through some of her most sensitive parts.

The psionicist clapped her hands together, as if she had just had an idea. "I know! I call the guard! They'll have someone that can get you free! I'll see that they come by as quickly as possible!"

Lorna was afraid now. She desperately wanted to get free, but if the guard found her, if the psionicist told them what she did, she would be locked away for certain. "P'eev..." she begged, crying now. "P'eev bon' 'ew bem!"

The psionicist smiled softly,, and drew close to the bound woman's ear. She whispered. "I'll think about it." She then spun on her heal, spanking the thief lightly as she went, and walked out of the alley.

Lorna started to pray silently for the woman's charitable nature to win the night.

Then she heard the psinoicist call out, from the end of the alley. "I'll need at least an hour to think about it, dear."

Lorna shivered, wincing at all of the crystal making itself known within her, and went back to praying, desperately so.

>> No.10597351


I wanted to avoid "lips" and "petals" just once. And ran all the way in the other direction.

Next time I'm going to make up new words for them.

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>> No.10597446

Ardavia really needs a more fitting pic. There has to be something out there that fits th

>crystal torture


>> No.10597478
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There cannot possibly be a way that there would a lack of chain spells, because there is no way that there could a deficiency of redeemed of this particular race in their ranks.

>> No.10597491


How the FUCK have they been forgotten until this point?! SERIOUSLY.

Ardavia should have hundreds of these! Hell, she could wear 'em like piercings if she wanted. They'd probably be okay with that.

>> No.10597659

Kytons could easily inspire some monastic orders. Maybe even specific fighting styles.

>> No.10597693

What is this Helotry of Xiombarg business and where can I get a copy of it other than from megaupload?

>> No.10597733


Some of it has been archived to suptg.

>> No.10597989

Started to do some writing, the post got eaten in submission.

There's an irony in that.

Was going to write up about a Kyton that joined of her own free will, with her one and only misstep being the focus of the story, and having to experience a deeper nakedness than ever felt before in the form of having all of her chains snipped away; a piercing removal, as it were.

The descriptor of it being akin to an unscratchable itch came to mind; itchy, irritating, brain-warping unstoppable unyielding itchiness where chains should be. And having to not only not scratch, but being unable to scratch, because that itch is the feeling of helplessness, giving way to panic giving way to despair giving way to the threat of mental dissolution...only to have one of the other servitors essentially lay hands upon her shoulders, to press bodily against the kyton in the midst of the mental breakdown, and just guiding back into a state of sanity, safety, and a demonstration of just how intensely gratifying the consent aspect can be.

>> No.10598026




Seriously, penitent kyton writefaggotry. Capital idea!

>> No.10598039


Also, always write in Notepad first. (if only because Word is a asshole with the spam blocker here)

>> No.10598044

Could someone please upload a copy of this to rs? thank you kindly

>> No.10598137


I would but I'm on a shit work connection. Some kind Anon hopefully will.

>> No.10598434
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I will post it to rapishare momentarily.

The Helotry of Xiombarg came about as a result of someone suggesting that one could gain powers by restricting the movements of a spellcaster, something like a pierced mage does with piercings, but instead binding the spellcaster's arms and legs to grant them the same abilities as a psion to work without restriction. It came about as a post of this picture.

So the Bondage Witch PrC was born. But Bondage Witch was a silly name for a quasi-religious cast, so they were renamed 'Helotry', meaning Slaves. Someoen suggested the do the same for psions, but psions need to restraints to be unable to cast their powers, so it was decided they would actually remove limbs, organs and parts of their bodies for the sake of greater power. Hence, Cerebrectomist of Xiombarg.

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Ten downloads only.
Rapidshare is shit.


>> No.10598513


I love you anon

>> No.10598559

Awesome. Thanks.

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Incidentally, for more inspirational art, Grigbertz.com has a huge amount of bondage witch and naked paladins running about. You can download most of the pictures right on the site as a zip file.

>> No.10599258


It's been too long since I last check this guy's art out.

>> No.10599913


Seriously, this better turn up in some form.

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