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>>74392047
>this isn't wrist slitting tier edginess

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>>74386023
Chaosfappery started waaaaaay before 6e. 7th did dial it back somewhat, but not a lot. 8th cranked it up. It was never completely reversed until AoS, which has a far more faithful portrayal of Order and Chaos being equally powerful forces in a constant state of flux and mutual domination, but never can one side totally eclipse the other.

snagged this from /aosg/

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>>74385413
Sorry, but WHFB immediately loses a point for me when I've been told for 30 years that Chaos wins and all I am doing is delaying it. So every single faction in WHFB that had a 'This is their goal to win the world' all came to nothing. Lizardmen doing their Great Plan? Oh whoops. It can't be done. Dwarfs uniting their kingdoms and reclaiming Eight Peaks? Nope. High Elves being united under Tyrion and Alarielle and finally defeating the Dark Elves? Nuh-huh. Orcs & Goblins uniting? Nope. You all suck and all lose and have lost since the start.

There is a reason people got pissed off with ADB saying this in one of his novels afterword.
>"The war is over. Humanity has lost. Warhammer 40k - in all its Gothic, towering, Cylopean, decrepit, doomed, rotting Byzantine majesty - has taken its first irrevocable step."
Being told 'btw Chaos won 10k years ago when Magnus fucked up the Webway' makes people mad that their fighting their own dudes shit for no reason. It pissed off Chaosfags who are being told that Tzeentch is the reason Chaos wins. Orkfags are pissed off that Ghaz is just a shitty Margaret Thatcher parody now. Eldar, Tau and Necrons? Lol, nope. You lose buddies.
>b-bb-ut it says only humanity falls!
Yes and it has been said if the Emperor falls then Chaos expands and consumes the galaxy, taking everything with it. There is a reason Necrons build the pylons.

My point is that WHFB had all these 'win scenarios' for the factions, just like 40k, but every single edition you were told 'yeah get fucked'. While it is GRIMDARK it makes people unwilling to play because their immersion is ruined by 'what is the point? if GW ever moves the plot on we lose anyway'. This is why Chaos got rekt in the Grand Campaign because people didn't WANT Chaos to win.

You're entitled to your opinion and all; but AoS has shaken off the 'Chaos wins lol :)' shit like pic related and opened up the possibility of some OTHER faction winning; be it death or destruction.

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>>73863071
>something almost entirely avoided by Fantasy
Then you didn't play fantasy. The main faction was Empire vs Chaos. Just liek it's SCE vs Chaos. You'd know this if you ACTUALLY FUCKING PLAYED IT.

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>>73426890
Because it's been around since day 1.

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>>53117464
>The physical and spiritual corruption of the races engineered by the Old Slann will ultimately destroy them. Even creatures created by the forces of Chaos are doomed to extinction. For, with Chaos' final triumph, all life will decay into a seething mass of protoplasm in which lost and screaming souls float helplessly, enduring the forms thrust upon them by the uncaring gods of Chaos. But the victory of Chaos, although certain, may be delayed - for Lawful and other non-Chaotic void creatures will strive to protect their own identities and ideals. With the victory of Chaos, they too will be swept back into the voids to rejoin the identities from which they were created as the gateways fell.

-WFRP 1st edition p. 268

Eat a dick or learn how to argue with facts on your side.

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>>52895561
Get rekt.

>>52895524
>The physical and spiritual corruption of the races engineered by the Old Slann will ultimately destroy them. Even creatures created by the forces of Chaos are doomed to extinction. For, with Chaos' final triumph, all life will decay into a seething mass of protoplasm in which lost and screaming souls float helplessly, enduring the forms thrust upon them by the uncaring gods of Chaos. But the victory of Chaos, although certain, may be delayed - for Lawful and other non-Chaotic void creatures will strive to protect their own identities and ideals. With the victory of Chaos, they too will be swept back into the voids to rejoin the identities from which they were created as the gateways fell.

-WFRP 1st edition p. 268

Like I said I have plenty of digital books. All you need is just ask.

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>>42957601
All sideshows that to main conflict between Chaos and the world. Petty kings waging petty wars expending their strength while the true enemy watches them from above and laugh at their antics all while preparing the knife.

Chaos is the thing the defines the settings and sets of all this in motion. Without Chaos poisoning the minds of the Elves against Malekith, then the War of Vengeance wouldn't have happened. Nagash wouldn't have risen and no vampire would have been created. It all goes back to Chaos in the end.

Heck, the defining war of the setting was the First invasion of Chaos

>So you just have shit taste then? Chaos was always best as the lingering consuming maw waiting at the edge of civilisation, not the Doom Army of shitposting.

GW disagrees. Chaos was the force meant to destroy the world since like 1st edition.

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>The physical and spiritual corruption of the races engineered by the Old Slann will ultimately destroy them. Even creatures created by the forces of Chaos are doomed to extinction. For, with Chaos' final triumph, all life will decay into a seething mass of protoplasm in which lost and screaming souls float helplessly, enduring the forms thrust upon them by the uncaring gods of Chaos. But the victory of Chaos, although certain, may be delayed - for Lawful and other non-Chaotic void creatures will strive to protect their own identities and ideals. With the victory of Chaos, they too will be swept back into the voids to rejoin the identities from which they were created as the gateways fell.

-WFRP 1st edition p. 268


Daily reminder.

If the ending of the setting isn't a rolling mass of uncreation and the eternal damnation of all souls on the world, then it isn't warhammer.

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>>41129329
>>41129375
Actually, from the first editions until the End Times the victory of Chaos was stated to be a matter of time. Fantasy's fate was always sealed and End Times had lines that went "We told you so". It's just GW delivering on an old promise.

As for 40K? Every rulebook presented the fact that there is yet hope even in this darkest hour. The Eldar recent materials are very hopeful.

So If anyone says that 40K is more nihilistic than WHFB, he is just being a historical revisionist.

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>>40719665
>The physical and spiritual corruption of the races engineered by the Old Slann will ultimately destroy them. Even creatures created by the forces of Chaos are doomed to extinction. For, with Chaos' final triumph, all life will decay into a seething mass of protoplasm in which lost and screaming souls float helplessly, enduring the forms thrust upon them by the uncaring gods of Chaos. But the victory of Chaos, although certain, may be delayed - for Lawful and other non-Chaotic void creatures will strive to protect their own identities and ideals. With the victory of Chaos, they too will be swept back into the voids to rejoin the identities from which they were created as the gateways fell.

-WFRP 1st edition p. 268

Posting actual oldie lore to counter historical revisionism.

As you can see clearly, the End Times was foretold decades ago. It was something years in the making.

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>>39866344
Found it.

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>>38873676
>(5th through 8th edition) Chaos was never a be-all-end-all part of the story

Actually, (see picture related) This us from 5th ED and it predicated ET. I think you missed it.

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>>38793965
>it's all in the in-verse logic too.

This. All the asspulls of the End Times were solely for the benefit of Order. Chaos is so far out of everyone else's league it's funny.

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>>38694357
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Chaos winning is not new for the End Times.



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