/sci/ - Science & Math

I'm out, thanks for having read my thread, and keep in mind most of the derailing was due to people who have a political agenda most of it coming from a forum I linked to here, every single time I repeatedly asked about refuting my points some of them I even later backed up with an individual source no answer has been given, instead name calling even in other threads, the few I even posted in. >>9188721 >>9188726 >>9189145

Have a nice time.

>>9189268
Also not science related, right?
Krupp, E.C. (2003). Echoes of the Ancient Skies: The Astronomy of Lost Civilizations

>>9187499
We just build a gigantic yurt around it and reposition.

Yes, you die and life goes on, just take a look around.
All this afterlife bullshit is a misinterpretation for the life continuing in this dimension.

Best bet is trying to leave this place more beautiful.

>>9189268
stop derailing

>>9188809
See, I see it the same, and I believe it starts with nomads, who live on ships in the steppes, having to rely heavily on celestial objects for navigation, therefore having observed the whole sky closely, which kicked them from polytheistic celestial objects worship to worshiping the whole celestial sphere...
since it mainly developed as an oral tradition it must have been a long process and therefore shaped the language fundamentally.
In Tengrism God is equated to the celestial sphere and it is seen as infinite, some of these terms can even be used interchangeably.

And it still holds validity.
In today's scientific world the universe is mostly and has been seen as the greatest unified entity.

>>9188809
See, I see it the same, and I believe it starts with nomads, who live on ships in the steppes, having to rely heavily on celestial objects for navigation, therefore having observed the whole sky closely, which kicked them from polytheistic celestial objects worship to worshiping the whole celestial sphere...
since it mainly developed as an oral tradition it must have been a long process and therefore shaped the language fundamentally.
In Tengrism God is equated to the celestial sphere and it is seen as infinite, some of these terms can even be used interchangeably.

And it still holds validity.
Just read the thread, there are way more clues.

>>9189108
>rouse population.
btw, this washed up
>götüm yaniyor
bullshit won't work here

>>9189108
Did you even read the thread or did you come are you the kid following me around to negate what I'm doing? See >>9188721 >>9188726

I've gotten to these conclusions on my own.
And only later found out about Krupp affirming the principles of my findings, further again independently, I even present a more complex and coherent version, with additional principles, namely the necessity of a unitary God in the celestial sphere for navigational purposes of nomadic populations as displayed in the syntax and vocabulary of Turkdom.

>>9186682
t. kesin arkandan gelmedim

>>9188809
Tengri biz menen.

>>9188720
Yes.

>When singular objects are being worshiped the resulting belief form is polytheistic.
The stars and planets were often a target of worship, believed to represent their gods.

To make it clear: Only a nomadic population in such a harsh environment as the steppes, in the middle of the large population groups, could come equate the complete always accompanying, endlessly moving celestial sphere equate with a singular God, the universe.

And only in the Turkic body (Mongols and other close groups included), the resulting syntax is manifested.

"Astronomy is the oldest of the natural sciences.

The earliest civilizations dating back to beyond 3000 BCE, such as the Sumerians, ancient Egyptians, and the Indus Valley Civilization, all had a predictive knowledge and a basic understanding of the motions of the Sun, Moon, and stars. The stars and planets were often a target of worship, believed to represent their gods. While the explanations for these phenomena were often unscientific and lacking in evidence, these early observations laid the foundation for later astronomy."

That's what I am saying all along and these are my personal findings, I didn't plagiarize.
Of course what constitutes as astronomy is debatable, because a sloth waking up with the sunshine to reposition could be called some kind of astronomy already, since the sloth understands the heat the sun causes on it and categorizes it as a celestial object. You can't accept evolution and then swipe away evolution of subsequent thought as crazy talk.

I'll compare what I wrote and then what the "Krupp, E.C. (2003). Echoes of the Ancient Skies: The Astronomy of Lost Civilizations." does say.

>Celestially rooted, creating scientific understanding for the first time, the scientific belief system Tengrism is thought to be the oldest religion in the world.
>The opening time dimension from tying life ensuring decisions onto reliably, frequently and constantly in intervals recurring celestial phenomena and the verbal sharing of the subsequent values, granted them the ability for transcendental thought to pull themselves up from the emotional trappings of the animal kingdom, allowing a sense for truthfulness, justice and beauty making planing possible, thus science...
"Astronomy is the oldest of the natural sciences."

Physics is what we make a description of.
Metaphysics is what we usually refer to as physics, its description.

Any kind of thing is the sum of all its contributors which is everything.

>What is a thought in physical terms?
So, it's just that, what it is.

>Sure, we can describe the process of reproduction, digestion, and other bodily functions with chemistry and physics.
That's our description and we can describe infinitely.

>>9188089
Which part, at least tell me what about it and how it makes no sense...

>>9188460
Easiest would be just shut off all light sources and sound and then process consciously.
The next step, calibrating your sensations. For example trying to visualize something by will.
Then what people usually refer to as meditation might be shutting off the sensations solely mentally, I think I've never deeply been there.
I only do the first thing when I'm too overloaded and the second I tried, it worked like mental cgi but I don't know, I don't do it.

>>9188379
Of course with the aim to make them fly.
They should be beautiful too.

I'd make a high tech yurts, assembled from modular super light weight industry standard (like Bosch Rexroth and on a model level Fischer Technik for the children to play with) parts, colony in contact with Turkic nomads, merging with them with time, so we can elevate each other.
The Altar would become a digital learning environment. There would be projectors, large e-ink screens (because they're lighter than other displays), but also HD-Screens, all kinds of input and output devices, 3-D printers... pretty much everything, all as multi usable as possible.
Really living in a Lego like environment, also working with CAD, and other simulating systems, so you could simulate your environment...
Transportation systems, foldable forklifts (all modular, engines should be foreseen to be used in various ways), the best working stages for the yurts to stand on... yurts should be able to be assembled at least as fast as traditional ones... everything would be modeled to resemble the traditional thing just high tech, so it would become a perfect learning and research environment.
And it should be comfortable, with furniture popping out of a stage, all light weight, comfortable... and so on...
The yurts instead of fell coverings would have gore-tex like or other technologies jackets so you can quickly make them climate appropriate.
And a Tengristic science would be followed.

Btw, personally I am not against a war machine, I have ideals, and military might be the lowest form, though to protect the higher forms you might need it.

I'm just saying some of you are, so how do you solve that?

Übermensch describes the transcendental human... human becomes an animal or machinery classification, while the Übermensch becomes what we usually understand understand as human, capable of planning and free will instead of being a slave to its emotions.

Many of you probably don't want their efforts leading to make others explode, is this right?
Your efforts will fuel developments that go against your wishes, anyway.

How do you solve that?
You need some kind of transcendental ideal you work towards as a whole system. Or else you'll slave off for a war machine you never liked.

>>9187981
Here this has been written a bit more cautiously: >>9187222 >>9187223
So you can see there's nothing to fear.

>>9187981
You love the idea, and have tasks that seem more important to you, so you use humor as a defense mechanism.
Doesn't make it rational trying to stomp the whole idea out for everyone.

>>9187195
>Maybe people deified mountains because they're fucking massive and impressive?
Yes, it still holds true.
That's great.
>Also what the hell is a perceptional resource?
What you just said.
Mountains are deeply imprinted into our nervous system, since the time eyes exist to recognize them they have accompanied our thinking.
>So you think people mythologized mountains in general because they have some sort of great value...?
They do, right?
Some you can get for example ores out of for people to make iron for swords. People do that for quite some time now. Everything people connote with the particular entity (especially when it increases survival likelihood) is reason for worship.