/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8781738

I'm always shocked but not entirely surprised by the lack of depth some people seem to possess. "Thank fuck I live in cozy America" is the utterance of somebody obviously foolish.

>>8781504
>>8781442

What difference does it make whether it's a plant or a fungus? If it can filter carbon from the air it's useful.

>>8781356

I have no degrees in any field and will never make that claim. I have no specialized knowledge, but none is required. I do not see how I am missing the big picture? I have done private research because I like what I like, and I follow what is important. I know alot about it because I was interested... and by alot I mean, in compared to the average Joe.

The connections between the processes that led to the end Permian and the processes currently (potentially) at play... supposedly? Is this even real life? I don't think I'll be able to integrate this fully anytime in the near future.

In any case, let's just say we're fucked for sure and we have that as a basepoint. If I WAS to survive in the middle of the end permian and I had human technology available to me, how would I go about doing that?

Reminds me of Mark Watney on Mars from the movie, except mass reproduceable on a massive scale within a decade.

>>8781058

But plants also have to worry about growing. It takes a horse 7 years to physically mature but I can build a car tomorrow, for instance. By what process do plants absorb carbon from the atmosphere? Can you devise machines that do something similar in a fraction of the time?

>>8781031

Why would filtering carbon dioxide from the air be a costly energetic process? Probably just a basic chem trick involved.

>>8781029

Our homes could become photosynthetic. How could we do something like that? Civilization suddenly mimics trees and cleans the atmosphere. Radically differen't urban centers.

>>8781023

We wouldn't have to dig up our fossil fuels anymore it would all just be floating around in the atmosphere for us to grab and extract. KEK!

This is an idea that I just considered:

Let us suppose you were suddenly in an atmosphere choked with c02. Would it not be possible to EXTRACT that carbon from the atmosphere, render it as a gas, and use that as a means of generating energy? Wouldn't the end permian atmosphere basically be free carbon fuel straight from the air?

Elements on this board and internationally need to move fast... we need to get beyond the denial stage. There's going to be a lot of confusion and denial and that's perfectly acceptable. We can't REALISTICALLY expect people to IMMEDIATELY integrate what they are being told about this methane because they don't even understand the carbon cycle yet or our impact on it.

The average American is decades behind in climate research and STEEPED in their own preconceptions and political ideologies and they have no way of leaving those frameworks and viewing their world differently because it's those very frameworks that they've built their lives around them.

We are going to need ENDLESS patience. The way that I choose to spend my time is helping every single person that I can before my time runs out. This news has changed my life in a more positive way than I ever could have imagined. Before this I had nothing really to live for, just some vague notion that I would needed that I had to grow strong, now that the moment is arrived I can see that my life and it's experiences have all been leading somewhere I could feel but could not understand.

I want to talk about self-contained human ecosystems. I want to talk about designing cheap, human and plant habitats that can be spread across the surface within ten years, and new political/economic paradigms.

Let's get started surviving and preparing TOGETHER... not as individuals thinking that there is somewhere they can go to hide.

>>8779556

Methane is not a neurotoxin; it's a fossil fuel. It's Natural Gas we use it to power wind or hydro-electric turbines in order to generate electricity.

It's also 27x more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

That methane cannot escape into the atmosphere.

>>8779548

As I say, filtering the carbon out of the air and oxygenating it; can this be done? Surely it can.

>>8779542

Let this guy tell you his thoughts instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wTgso7yzw

>>8779528

Well, perhaps not you in particular, but any discussion on arctic methane in general would be welcome. I heard that a nameless oil company proposed modifying fracking equipment as a way to drain the methane before it escapes into the atmosphere?

>>8779485

Something which I would like to focus on is disseminating emergency preparedness for climate change initiatives. We need to focus on saving ourselves as a community, not as individuals, or we are all surely lost.

I think we should avoid speaking of this with any kind of rhetoric which isn't direct and straight to the point. I believe it's possible to create SHELTERED COMMUNITIES which can endure the climate shock, and furthermore, I believe this will be our dry run for colonizing other worlds like Mars. If we can do it on our own dying world, we can do it on Mars.

>>8779495

>Parts of the world will become less comfortable, parts will become more comfortable.

So straight away I'm certain that you don't have any realistic grasp of what it would mean to pump 50 gigatons of methane into the atmosphere all at once.

It would mean the planet would become inhospitably warm for life not long after. It would mean the oceans would warm, currents would stop, weather would become 'extreme' (biblical). fires would rage out of control globally, famine, war, disease...

>>8779464

"For someone who claims to be objective... geological time."

I have made no such claims.

Also, no not geological time actually a matter of years. The polar ice is melting at an EXPONENTIAL rate so the linear trend line is sharply spiking. The ice cubs in our drink is melting... WHEN THAT ICE IS GONE, it's only a matter of time before the methane comes up and IF THE METHANE COMES UP

It's game over.

Big time.

"The entire world has been ice free before and thriving."

Yeah but humans were never around then. How old are like as a species like what... 250,000 modern homo sapiens? Anybody got me on this? A million if you count genetic offshoots that don't even look human.

My man, if the earth heats up to the point we're talking about WITHIN THE NEXT DECADE it's like going from zero to a thousand miles an hour in a couple of seconds there's no way the planet's current life forms can adapt that quickly. The game is basically over as we speak but I don't think is the end. I think this is the beginning.

>>8779453

LOL!

>>8779448

I have not yet resigned myself to that level of cynicism nor will I. Everyone understands self-preservation. This is IMMEDIATE and demands our attention. It should dominate discussion at the very least.

>>8779415
>>8779423

WHAT MUST I DO, SHAKE YOU? What is this WILLFUL ignorance? Stop staining ALL SCIENCE with your narrow-minded ideology. This is not some liberal plot, nor is it the plot of the jews or any other, it is cause and effect. Action and reaction. It is elemental. It is primal. IT DOES NOT SHARE YOUR PATHETIC AGENDA.

>>8779415

What we are discussing is arctic methane bubbles appearing on the surface of the earth in areas they haven't appeared before. This is BEYOND political agenda; this is in the realm of NATURAL PHENOMENA which have nothing whatsoever to do with human abstraction.

All the planet knows it's getting hot so the methane hydrate (ordinarily sealed) is escaping into the atmosphere in disastrous quantities that could spell the end of life on this planet and WE ARE THE DIRECT CAUSE.

>>8779351

"Even the ice melting which takes a fucking long time doesn't extinct us."

Would you care to elaborate on that a little for me? What ice? How long is a long time? How can something 'extinct us'? Sounds like getting hit with a bat. "Nature extincted us." Don't we GO extinct?

Your comments on carbon ppm and temperature are just flat out wrong and I can prove it.

https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/images/evidence_CO2.jpg

That's on carbon ppm now how about temperature?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/science/earth-highest-temperature-record.html?_r=0

>>8779347

I'm actually glad you brought up the bit about the astronomer and the asteroid. Let's say you had astronomers telling you an asteroid was heading on a direct collision course with earth, how would you respond to that?

All that's happening right now is smarter and more knowledgeable people than you are telling you that your life is in danger and they can prove it, but you don't understand it so you say it doesn't exist?

>>8779342

Tarot card reading? Are you comparing the work of street magicians to climate scientists? Do you even know what a greenhouse gas is or what it does?

>>8779333

I don't understand how I can present all of this material for you to research and you just continue to shout nonsense?

Sir, this has nothing to do with carbon. The carbon is done now. We're talking about methane. The methane is the killer. You don't need to know anything about science to understand the situation, you just need to pay attention to the people who do and be willing to open up your mind.

>>8779317

Is it wrong for a scientist to break down and become emotional when presenting information like this? Who are you referring to? I have watched all of these videos and do not recall ONE of them becoming hysterical, let alone ALL of them.

>>8779298

These are all of them the words of VERY CONCERNED PROFESSIONALS with legitimate credentials expressing their fear of what is currently taking place in the arctic.

Have I come to the wrong board? Is this /pol/ in disguise? This has NOTHING to do with world war fucking 2, and it has NOTHING to do with refugees although that will DEFINITELY be a part of it, it has to do with a REAL CRISIS you are involved in, whether you 'believe' in it or not.

>>8779276

Alright boys, here comes the data dump. Arctic Methane

**Arctic Methane Emergency: Methane released by the Gigaton!**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPdc75epOEw&t=1589s

**Our time is running out - The Arctic sea ice is going!**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xdOTyGQOso&t=1110s

**Methane Hydrates - Extended Interview Extracts With Natalia Shakhova**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ&t=432s