/sci/ - Science & Math

>>4299414
> saging with a picture.

,,,doesn't bump the thread - so i pretty much achieved what i set out to do

>>4299384
> Metal color?

traditionally it's black...with maybe some lightning strikes in the background

>>4299376
...speaking of which, wrong avi - sorry

spock's haemoglobin is based on copper, so that's why his blood is greeny blue

hey op, if you're willing to be the guy to thaw out a bunch of pissed off psychos, then i say; FUND IT!!

of course, another possibility is that the creationists who say the earth is <10k y/o may be on to something - and it is in fact SCIENCE which has interpreted the data wrong

hey anon, i had to bounce back because...well there's always a need for one moar f5

y'wanna know something - i have real trouble with this stuff, because as much as it pains me to admit it, the early acounts of creation just do not match up with SCIENCE in any real sense

and that's a real bugger, because i really believe i know jesus and have seen him active in my life

in fact, the only reason i value the scripture is because i believe in him first

but mental dissonance?

lemme tell ya, i breathe that shizzle - i swim in dat poop - i frikkin eat it for breakfast and wash it down with a big ol'cup of zomgwtfbbq

if it wasn't for jesus, i really wouldn't bother my arse being christian

it's too much work

~

anyways, love u very much - sorry for frazzling your head

okays, i've gotsta go and get b/fast nao

one last thing; there's no-one who can convince you of god except god himself - if you realy wanna know if he's around you should speak to him yourself, because if he is to be believed, he says "all who seek me shall find me"


cya

>>3494139
yeah, but cain runs off with his honey before seth is born

but if we see him as a figurehead for a tribe, then we could see adam's sons and daughters after seth as the same yeah?

>>3494122
yeah, well that's be win - sure

thing is, the bible doesn't mention adam and eve having any daughters

whereas if we take A&E as representative of an age that begats two great nations, one of who destroys another and runs off with some hawt chicks, then we're doing allegory like a boss

>>3494086
hai hai

yeah, it's one argument that's bouncing around the ivory towers atm

>>3494090
okay, so we have to take adam and eve as singular folks then - so where does cain suddenly get a wife from then?

>>3494061
well, if adam and eve are representative of an age wherein humanity was at peace with god before these same peoples rebelled, couldn't some of these other names of their descendants equally be representative of eras in human civilisation?

>>3494021
well one argument is; that just as 'adam and eve' are figureheads representative of an age of humanity, so are these antediluvian names or 'ages'

how does that swim?

>>3493939
but it does necessitate you being a big meany?

fair enough, but i won't answer in kind


iirc the cosmos is 14 billion y/o and the earth's about 5?

>>3493879
sure, i'll answer - if you'll return the favour

tell me, is this how you endear folk to yourself and get them to open up?

>>3493880
> And the Bible does not count as valid data. Billions of people have look at the same 'data' and using the same methods of interpretation come to billions of different conclusions, each one mutually exclusive.

i disagree - the consensus amongst christians is that everyone needs a rescuer, and that rescuer is jesus

if so many folk can interpret the scripture to say that one solid thing, wouldn't that imply there is some basis for their findings

now i'm not arguing this as a basis for the bible being 'true'

but it does seem to say that there is some central tenet that is discernible

>>3493873
ah well fair enough - if you'd care to elaborate, i'm all ears

i'm constantly having to revise my understanding of whom god is, so i need to have an open mind

>>3493834
are you sure you know what my interpretation is?

tell y'what, i'll lay it out

1. god created the universe and everything in it
2. god created humanity, nurturing them in 'the centre of his delight' (eden)
3. humanity rebelled and were cast out as punishment
4. god promised a rescuer to bring us back in to the same relationship we had with him in eden
5. ???
6. JESUS!!

>>3493836
sir, i have been aware of this since i became a christfag - if you will look at my biblical understanding of our need for a rescuer above, you will see i've given it some little thought i think

>>3493839
the interpretation of data is false?


...always?

>>3493811
you are quite correct anon - if a christian discounts the creation story or anything else in the OT, then he's invalidating christ's sacrifice, or even the need for it

>>3493821
what's wrong with interpretation?

>>3493802
you think that in throwing out the literal, we have thrown out the truth - the baby with the bath-water eh?

>>3493796
the wind moves through the mountains as a gypsy dances through her suitors; while symbolic, is true

>>3493757
but what is faith, other than an old word the KJV translators used to convey a hebrew concept of 'trust based on evidence'

i trust jesus, because i know him - i know him because he has directly intervened in my lief on numerous occasions

and not just my lief, but in the lives of so many other people i know

>>3493719
lol, gb2/ne-OH WAIT

you should probobally take it to 4chOn

>>3493724
> For that matter, none of his actual disciples could have written a testament. They were -ILLITERATE-.

i'm sorry, but that's a common misconception amongst folk

jewish men of that time studied the scripture from boyhood

as for needing an 'after-life and soul'

jesus spoke quite deliberately and at length about both these things

>>3493725
> But as we said, we're assuming non-literal genesis and evolution.

no, we are yet to be in accord on anything so great as that

i am saying that while much of the bible is allegorical, those parables are being used to convey 'a truth' of some sort

and when i say 'truth' i mean one in the absolute sense, in that; while neither you nor i may understand what god means by saying he held early humanity in "the centre of his delight*", god is still saying that he did it

he nurtured humanity, represented by 'adam and eve' in some sacred place, safe from the fear of death and destruction - until, of course; we betrayed him and were cast out

that says, his interest in us was never so impersonal and distant as we might assume
~


*literal meaning of eden

>>3493717
what i believe is not important - what i 'know' is

and what i know is, SCIENCE is answering a number of questions about the origins of the universe - and when it realises a theory was wrong, it revises it and keeps on looking

another thing i know is, jesus is very much alive and active in both my life and the lives of many people i am personally acquainted with, with actual miracles happening around us every day - so i have no problem with jesus creating the miracle of a universe out of a big bang when he said "let there be light"


i know some other stuff too - but this box wouldn't be big enough

>>3493697
well yeah...hoomons are poopyheads

that's why we need jesus so much