/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10478778
Oh yeah woo yeah oh yeah woo yeah woo yeah oh yeah

>>10478244
Thanks for contributing anon.

>>10478313
Thanks for contribootin, here's your (You)

>>10478349
Okay doctor Google, you got it. Fear of rheumatic fever (a rare exacerbation) is a great excuse for prescribing broad spectrum antibiotics without comprehensive diagnoses.

>>10478341
You don't culture viruses, an antigen test is a quick way to determine if antibiotics might be necessary. Simply looking at inflammation, etcetera and prescribing antibiotics is irresponsible in my opinion. I'm not entirely against it, but I suggest there should be more requirements in a Docs mind besides "this guy needs to get back to work." Should we begin prescribing methamphetamines to trauma patients so they can also get back to work?

>>10478207
You must actually be retarded if you think that's the point of that post. Let me clarify, prescribing antibiotics without lab tests will surely lead to prescribing for cases where they're not applicable (overprescribing).

>>10477806
My thoughts exactly, I'm sure the gasses dissolved in water take up this space.

>>10477830
Haha you first Anon.

>>10478125
I don't see why not, you could start by correlating behavior to EEG readings and forming algorithms. That's not an "organic internet" though.

>>10477770
You excluded the last part
> (28.5%) were not associated with a recent diagnosis
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I would consider that inappropriate as well, and >>10477670 proves my point because >>10477736
> Consultation should be enough [to make a diagnosis that warrants antibiotics]
Viruses are not visible to the naked eye last time I checked. I'm sure he prescribes antibiotics to to plenty of viral patients using this method (i.e. Common Cold patients)
> We're talking about prescription-strength cough syrup here
I'm pretty sure Dextro is OTC and kids steal it to get high.
> Treating the "root cause" of a cold is irrelevant because it will be gone in a week or two anyway.
By that logic, why would you need to prescribe antibiotics for strep that goes away in 3-7 days? You're conradicting yourself at multiple points here Anon.

>>10477776
> Your historical account of 65 years of the organization I used in my argument using a false symbol of medicine is irrelevant!

>>10477782
Candida Albicans ferments glucose and maltose to acid and gas, sucrose to acid, and does not ferment lactose.

>>10477706
lol

>>10477698
You should read about Cleve Backsters work on Primary Perception.

>>10474946
So you're not allowed any appliances with plugs? Do you live and study in the dark?

>>10474045
Then how does that change the density of the mass? Or does the shape simply change, and it floats due to it's temperature?

>>10477670
Do you first run any lab tests to identify the pathogen, or do you simply prescribe based on the consultation? I'm not entirely against this, though I wouldn't be so quick to draw depending on the patient.

>>10476744
Who are you? It's been rigorously studied and proven that antibiotics are overprescribed, that's why the World Health Organization is launching campaigns to combat antibiotic resistance. This peer reviewed study of over 15 million cases shows that over 50% of the antibiotics prescribed were inappropriate or did not even match the diagnosis code. 70% of which were prescribed in private practices, and nearly 20% of which were zithromycin (followed by mock pen).

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/364/bmj.k5092.full.pdf

> literally nobody does this
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Do you really need convincing that a significant portion of the general population doesn't understand medical labeling? Most don't understand the difference between symptom relief and treating the root cause of an ailment. I think you've drank too much Codeine in your freshman year, anon.

>>10476752
The "authority on medicine" originally used the Caduceus until 1912.

>>10477261
Broad spectrum antibiotics are used when "symptoms are severe" as per CDC recommendation. Common cold misdiagnoses aside, there's still the heavy handed use of antibiotics for mild strep cases.

>>10477102
>>10477145
Going to the Doc is always a smart move. You could also eat some yogurt to help seal the deal, it contains Lactobacillus which is normal flora that combats yeasts such as Candida. This will help restore balance in the oral microbiota.

>>10476411
Phase III Clinicals and adoption by the EU isn't "on a whim"

>>10476496
Agreed, much misinformation is spread by advocates and shills. This is widely accepted truth. I should have worded this differently - "do Allopaths readily prescribe the herbal as part of their TLC recommendations" I guess I'm just bias because I come from the big city where round patients are shoved in square holes so quickly it's sickening. I think we have a slight misunderstanding; let me clarify. I'll put it as simple as I can - I'm trying to advocate against the physicians who overprescribe and underevaluate patients, who just so happen to find themselves in a specific medical school of thought here in the US. These same physicians are the ones who undermine the many effective non-invasive modes of therapy due to their origins, and also mud-sling them adding further stigma which is already very prevalent due to the advocates/shills mentioned earlier. It's true many of these are complimentary, few may stand alone with respect to conventional meds... But there are anons even in this thread who believe they have no place in modern medicine. That's my source of hostility. Apologies, this is my passion.

>>10476521
Ah, looks like I posted the wrong article for the invivo experimentation. There's one on pigs with bladder cancer taking it orally, but I can't find it unfortunately.

>>10476685
> nigga
Yes, listen to this man instead. Is that seriously how you chose to represent yourself? What is this, underage /sci/? Antibiotics are over prescribed, just ask the WHO.

>>10476698
That's not the problem, the problem is people are using "cough syrup" thinking it's going to cure their cough, when really it's just an analgesic. Probably because it's marketed as "cough syrup".. ITT: We miss the point.

>>10476725
If you never heard of it, you haven't been in med very long. At least not in the US, according to other anons. It's literally the first Google search result "MD vs DO" (pic relate)

>>10476451
PS: The ld50 of thyme tea is much lower than that of chlorine, ethanol, isopropyl or hydrogen peroxide.

>>10476451
Um, I posted multiple articles on invivo results as well as stated herbs should be used alteratively. Do you know what that means? Here's a pic related to help you.

What exactly is your "effective treatment" for the common cold?

>>10476408
I know it's not unique, it's just more prevalent in the School of Osteopathy from my personal experience. That's the entire divide that exists today between the two schools of thought... It basically comes down to Allopaths rejecting many forms of classical medicine on the basis that snake oil once existed. Am I wrong, or do Allopaths readily accept the herbal, elemental, and other "alternate" therapies the way D.Os do? After all, this is "Rod of Asclepius" edition. I don't mean to denigrate all Allopaths, I know many great MDs personally and of course some who are naturebois.

>>10476428
Sure, Anon... That's exactly where I was going with that.

>>10476377
I would recommend Flu shots to my immunocompromised patients and those at risk for other types of co-morbidity; but I wouldn't bash a young healthy patient on getting the flu shot if they don't want it.

>>10476377
Because it's not necessary for most of the population. If people don't want mercury, fluoride, or aluminum pumped directly into their blood stream where it can't properly metabolize before causing damage that's somewhat reasonable. You can level with anti-vax patients at this level, and explain how some vaccines are an absolute necessity (those life threatening or debilitating). I for one don't get annual shots, but I've gotten many on the schedule as a kid and still get Hep titers/shots because I work in medicine.

Vaccine ingredients:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

>>10476342
>>>Tocagen.com/
It is actively eliminated in healthy cells, though cancer cells lack effective immune system responses so it's able to spread easily within the tumor. That should answer your first three questions for the most part.
> how does it deal with tumors that stop MHC syntesis?
> How will it deal with tumors that are naturally slow
I'm not certain of the exact mechanisms, as it's probably a trade secret, though I do know it's not a cure-all despite being a broad-spectrum.

>>10476354
Right, I know anecdotal evidence is worthless in the scientific community; I just thought you may find it interesting an HIV+ doctor swears by it.
> If it works results will come anyway, pointless to argue at this stage
That's the spirit anon, don't try and contribute or anything.
> pointless to argue
That's the difference between you and I... You argue, I'm just stating fact. Have I made any claims I didn't s scientifically substantiate? If so, please tell me.

>>10476371
I never said they weren't, I actually explicitly stated they were. Wew lad.

>>10476322
Right, I'm not suggesting you introduce this as therapy. It's in a research stage. Although I've known two HIV+ patients, one of whom is an MD, who swear taking it orally reduces their viral load. I was thinking of some sort of combination dialysis therapy through a silver-mesh filter since HIV is a blood-lymph based immune disorder. Keyword, thinking - please don't expectorate onto me.

>>10476328
Because I'm an American, I do most of my business here despite having taken a global health initiative. I copied that history lesson from my Facebook. Next time I'll tailor it towards the global perspective.

BTFO practitioners that are close minded because of a couple hippies selling snake oil. You're the real reason we can't progress in the areas mentioned above. I hope I answered your questions to satisfaction, honestly.

Bonus round: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmQj74Z5Xk
Invest into TOCA please, stockfags. It's in Phase III clinicals in the US and it's been adopted by the EU as an orphan drug. I think that China is using it too. They basically engineered a virus to attack cancer cells specifically...

>>10476288
This anon gets it, +88