People who deny the existence of ADHD/ADD and say it’s a big pharma conspiracy remind me of anti-vaxxers. They do exactly the same thing, as the brainlets they are.

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Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:34:01 2018 No.9900417 [Reply] [Original]

People who deny the existence of ADHD/ADD and say it’s a big pharma conspiracy remind me of anti-vaxxers. They do exactly the same thing, as the brainlets they are.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:38:02 2018 No.9900439
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it's literally indistinguishable from oral meth. I bought some shit on the street once and was 95% sure it was authentic other than it lasting slightly longer. I bought some reagents to test it and sure enough it was meth.

I'm talking coke and pepsi, not coke and diet coke.

you're a drug addict and a retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:38:22 2018 No.9900440 >>9900417 People who believe in ADHD/ADD remind me of people who believe in phrenology. They do exactly the same thing as the brainlets they are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:41:21 2018 No.9900448 >>9900439 >>9900440 Hello anti-vaxxers

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:57:26 2018 No.9900493 https://www.google.fi/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/25370/doctor-adhd-does-not-exist

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:59:04 2018 No.9900499 http://time.com/25370/doctor-adhd-does-not-exist/

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 20:11:49 2018 No.9900544

What do you want? A decent chunk of this board is completely fucking retarded. Shit, most of the people here likely have 0 fucking experience in college/university let alone STEM subjects. Even then, it's mostly schizo math tards who will never accomplish anything of interest or note.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 20:15:51 2018 No.9900557 >>9900499 Wakefield was a doctor too

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 00:18:27 2018 No.9900973 File: 127 KB, 439x363, frens.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9900440 >phrenology

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 00:32:37 2018 No.9900989 File: 5 KB, 250x363, stim_sales.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9900417 You're probably too young to remember the childhood ADHD diagnosis craze. http://www.nytimes.com/images/2013/12/15/nytfrontpage/scannat.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 02:05:10 2018 No.9901138 >>9900417 yes goy we have to medicate your teen while he's still developing because he doesn't have the temperament of a girl

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 02:43:36 2018 No.9901176 >>9900989 prescription stimulants were much cheaper in '02 than now

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:54:39 2018 No.9901787 >>9900417 Homosexuality is closer to a real disease than ADHD. At least you can reliably measure it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 10:10:50 2018 No.9901823

>>9900417
Oh, come now.
We know what's best for you.

We'll put synthetic fertilizers on depleted lands in order to grow genetically altered food crops, periodically spray them with poisons, and then process them with machines which produce clouds of noxious gas and require industrial lubricants to function properly.
But the petrochemical packaging will have smiling children on it, and small words, in bright colors.

So I've got that going for me...which is nice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:11:24 2018 No.9902326 >>9900417 It's real but there's definetly some overdiagnosis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:25:19 2018 No.9902355 >>9900417 mandatory reading on this topic https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/there_is_no_link_between_adhd.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 22:45:07 2018 No.9903327 it's a very convenient way to get a reliable 100% pure source of (dextro)amphetamine so who cares

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 11:36:52 2018 No.9903840

I used to think ADHD wasn't real, but now I'm not so sure because Adderall is the only thing that helps me. I do the following on a regular basis:
>walk/run
>take fish oil
>l-theaning
>avoid sugar
>drink coffee
The only thing I don't do is eat healthy, but I don't eat bad either. Not nearly as bad as most people. And I still can't focus well or get motivated enough to do things. I hear songs playing in my head when I try to read and I have to play the song several times on high-volume with headphones to get it out of my head. I also have to re-read a sentence several times until I get it. I daydream when having a conversation even though I try hard to pay attention and sometimes I have to ask them to repeat what they said. It takes me longer than it should to get things done because I don't have the mental energy for it. A few weeks ago I was prescribed Adderall and now I finally feel normal and can get things done. It's the only thing that helps. For people who say ADHD isn't real, what else am I supposed to do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 11:46:00 2018 No.9903854 >>9900439 I've taken desoxyn and have been on adderall my entire life. They are definitely not the same, not in pharmacological effects nor in subjective experience.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 11:52:09 2018 No.9903869

>>9903854
The difference is the dose and purity.
If non-prescribed individuals addicted to methamphetamine got a pure orally ingestible product as well as regimented their dose, the results would be virtually indistinguishable from prescribed amphetamines.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:03:25 2018 No.9903879

>>9903840
>The only thing I don't do is eat healthy
That's the most important one.
>but I don't eat bad either. Not nearly as bad as most people
Don't compare yourself to the general population as an excuse.
You just may realize why >50% of the population is "mentally ill"
>I hear songs playing in my head when I try to read and I have to play the song several times on high-volume with headphones to get it out of my head
Strangely enough, this phenomena is thought to be your brain organizing thoughts and completing neuron pathways
Your listening to the song and completing your memory of it is a proximal way of cementing other memories.
>I also have to re-read a sentence several times until I get it.
>It takes me longer than it should to get things done because I don't have the mental energy for it.
This is more likely a "fluid memory" problem than anything else.
>I daydream when having a conversation even though I try hard to pay attention and sometimes I have to ask them to repeat what they said
Are these boring conversations? If so, why do you care?
>A few weeks ago I was prescribed Adderall and now I finally feel normal and can get things done
Nothing wrong with that. Almost everybody gets that feeling when taking moderate doses of amphetamines. Just recognize the health risks, don't get so addicted as to develop tolerance, and accept that your kidneys will be much less healthy as a result.
>For people who say ADHD isn't real, what else am I supposed to do?
This is why it exists in the first place. The people who don't believe it's real say so because there is a lack of evidence to support that it is. Anywhere you find such a lack, you will invariably get people trying to fill it with less-than scientific solutions
The best advice I can give you is to pay more attention to your microbiome. Some expert even believe that future mental health will be treated largely by correcting imbalances in that ecosystem.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:08:39 2018 No.9903898

>>9900417
i could not function as a child b/c of undiagnosed and even to now if i dont take my meds i turn into a spazzy hyperactive idiot, whereas on meds im the type of person i want to be: focused, goal oriented, and methodical.

ppl that say it isnt real are saying i don't deserve to succeed and i don't listen to dipshits like that as a general rule. fuckkem lmfao, water off a ducks back

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:15:57 2018 No.9903914

>>9903898
>ppl that say it isnt real are saying i don't deserve to succeed and i don't listen to dipshits like that as a general rule.
No, that's just the opinion you've made up for them to make it easier to accept your own.
The argument goes like this:
>There are likely other alternatives to amphetamines to fix the behavioral traits described by ADHD. There is no evidence that amphetamines help people with ADHD any more than they help individuals without it.
I'm personally very libertarian in regards to personal choice with drug use, though.
The problem comes when you have these pseudo-scientists peddling drugs to children. See:
>>9900989
The truth is that amphetamines have this effect in the vast majority of people.
The only reason why we don't give them out to everyone is because of how sever the health risks of long-term use are.
This and the fact that it creates a life-long victim complex in the individuals taking them, which leads to them looking down on other people who take amphetamines who aren't diagnosed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:16:00 2018 No.9903916 >>9903854 how do they stack up? i always find myself looking for distractions with amphetamine, but MPH just isn't as effective as it once was for me. i'd try anything that might get me motivated again. i can't stand doing nothing.

>>	Miniature Spacecraft Mon Jul 30 12:17:26 2018 No.9903920 >>9900417 >the existence of ADHD/ADD It's only a thing in the US. Why ?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:26:16 2018 No.9903931

>>9903879
>That's the most important one. Don't compare yourself to the general population as an excuse.
A lot of the people I know eat tons of fast food, drinks soda, etc. and they can focus just fine. I don't eat any of that. I just don't eat "healthy" but you're still right.
>Strangely enough, this phenomena is thought to be your brain organizing thoughts and completing neuron pathways
Interesting, but it still doesn't help me focus.
>This is more likely a "fluid memory" problem than anything else.
What does this mean?
>Are these boring conversations? If so, why do you care?
I suppose, but most conversations I have are like this. Unless someone has a really interesting story to tell or we're talking about the creation of the universe or something, my mind will most likely start to wander. I feel rude not hearing what someone said, anyway.
>and accept that your kidneys will be much less healthy as a result.
Great, I just had a kidney transplant last year. But they said it was ok to take it, so... I'm not sure what to think.
>The best advice I can give you is to pay more attention to your microbiome.
How do I do that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:29:46 2018 No.9903935 >>9903920 I wonder this too. Sometimes I can't function without Adderall. It makes me wonder what would happen if I lived in Europe or something. Would I be the same? Or is ADHD so common in the US because of certain factors related to living here?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:30:34 2018 No.9903936

>>9903920

i think
>>9899991
is spot on.

i was a curious person as a child. i remember thinking about things like xeno's paradox before i ever knew what division was. i loved to figure out how things worked. k-12 schools are shitty, they turn passion and curiosity into listlessness and indifference. perhaps that's why so many kids get prescribed meds, so they can put up with this nonsense year after year.

and by the time you graduate you've already been psychologically damaged and need ADHD drugs to re-motivate you and get past the learned avoidance reflex you have for academic pursuit.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:32:25 2018 No.9903939

Adderall is simply a cognitive performance enhancing drugs, ADHD is how the pharmaceutical companies market it and how the psychiatrists prescribed it, ADHD in so much as it even exists simply means that the person is stupid and is need of a cognitive performance enhancing drugs

It's an amphetamine, that is it, armies used to hand them out to their soldiers like candy and most air forces of the globe continue to give it to their pilots, it's a mind steroid nothing more

it's a trick, it's a marketing trick, that is all, that is all it is, brainlets need their Adderall to get a B in remedial college algebra but nobody wants to say it do we call it ADHD, little Timmy is a brainlet shit for brains who can't learn how to read, he's not dumb, he has ADHD don't you see, load him up with amphetamines so he can finally be semi literate

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:37:43 2018 No.9903951

>>9903879
>>9903931
Yeah right you could say those things for any mental disorder to make it sound made up.
>Strangely enough, this phenomena is thought to be your brain organizing thoughts and completing neuron pathways
Your listening to the song and completing your memory of it is a proximal way of cementing other memories.

No people can read without music invading their reading. This is more about your brain wanting to stimulate the reward pathway constantly which prevents you from concentrating on anything that isn't stimulating for more than 1 minute.

>Are these boring conversations? If so, why do you care?
People don't struggle to hear things they are very actively listening out for. I work in a fast food restaurant and I am diagnosed with ADHD. I can forget which sauce the person ordered 3 times in the span of 10 seconds while actively trying to remember it. (we only have two difference sauces). The same goes for many other things. In the last 6 months I've lost my bank card 6 times, my keys twice, and I forget things 80% of the time when I leave my apartment (money, key, headphones). It happens on a daily basis.

It's easy for you to say "lol I forget things all the time". It's easy to relate to issues others with mental health problems have. However, the key here is that those issues are persistent and affect normal functioning.

Yes it is over diagnosed, no it is not fake. You can see physical differences in the dopamine activity of neurotypicals and those with ADHD.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:40:13 2018 No.9903954 >>9903936 seriously, almost every math teacher i've ever had was a dried-up mummified cat lady who seemed fond of neither math nor kids

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:41:31 2018 No.9903957

>>9903939
False, Adderall isn't a cognitive enhancer. In fact, it's been shown to affect complex tasks negatively and only help with simple repetitive tasks.

It's an amphetamine and it is dangerous, but it's also been shown to normalize (bring dopamine activity in different areas to a level comparable to neurotypicals). Just because a drug is harmful and profited off doesn't mean a disorder doesn't exist. Atomoxetine is also an ADHD drug which has a better safety profile.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:47:17 2018 No.9903979

>>9903931
>>This is more likely a "fluid memory" problem than anything else.
>What does this mean?
Fluid memory is a relatively stable 60-80% heritable behavioral trait which is measured by your quickness at solving abstract puzzles.
It's incredibly hard to change at all, and is likely due to a mix between genetics and prenatal environment.
Those with suboptimal fluid memory often find that they need to mentally strain themselves harder than those who don't.
I wasn't trying to say this as a slight to you, just that it's important to recognize that not everybody is the same.
>The best advice I can give you is to pay more attention to your microbiome.
>How do I do that?
Assure that you're not deficient in any essential vitamins, and make sure to take daily omega-3.
If you have even a decent doctor, you can ask for a blood test that would highlight any irregularities.
Other than that just eat semi-regular foods. By that I mean don't diversify your diet too much.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:47:33 2018 No.9903981

>>9903957
i don't care that the pharma companies are making a profit of it. the point is that the entire concept of ADHD is simply a place holder for some inconvenient truths about a large chunk of the population that needs cognitive enhancing drugs to be somewhat competent in an academic setting.

Adderall enhances cognitive performance in the smart and dumb alike. simply market it as a mind steroid to anyone who wants it and put the whole silly ADHD label out to pasture

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:50:49 2018 No.9903993
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>>9903951
>Yeah right you could say those things for any mental disorder to make it sound made up.
I love it when people get so close to realizing something that they use it as a point against you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:56:41 2018 No.9904004 >>9903979 >If you have even a decent doctor, you can ask for a blood test that would highlight any irregularities. I get my blood taken once a month because of my transplant and everything is fine. If I was low in something, they would tell me.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:57:40 2018 No.9904007
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>>9903993
You could say those things about most mental disorders because most mental disorders involve normal brains taken to an extreme.

Sociopathy, we all sometimes ignore how our actions are hurting others. But sociopaths ignore that for every action they make.

Narcissist, all people like attention and to feel good, and powerful. Narcissist need that all the time and revolve their entire personality against it.

Autism, we all sometimes fail to recognize certain expressions, feel annoyed due to loud noises or strong lights. But autists are overly sensitive to these things that it causes them physical discomfort, and they grow up without developing any social skills until they start intellectualizing them

ADHD, we all feel like we can't concentrate sometimes, we all feel impulsive sometimes. People with ADHD are constantly shifting from one thought to another, constantly impulsive, and rarely able to sit comfortably without some sort of fidgeting or self stimulation.

I was simply turning attention to what you were doing. Which is to ignore the extreme aspect of the mental disorder and talk about it in a way that makes it seem like "we all have it". Yeah you reshaped my statement around your agenda to get back at me without arguing against any of my comments.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 12:58:50 2018 No.9904010

>>9903951
I can forget which sauce the person ordered 3 times in the span of 10 seconds while actively trying to remember it. (we only have two difference sauces). The same goes for many other things. In the last 6 months I've lost my bank card 6 times, my keys twice, and I forget things 80% of the time when I leave my apartment (money, key, headphones). It happens on a daily basis.
Oh yeah this too. I forget things every day. I’ve set so many reminders and alarms to help me remember to do things otherwise I never will. I’ll put my phone down to go to the refrigerator and get a drink, then I forgot where I put it immediately after.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:02:37 2018 No.9904017

>>9903993

not him, but i think you're right in a sense. our model of education does not work for a significant number of children. adhd and other mental disorders are used to shift blame from the system to the child.

what i don't understand is why so many denizens of the internet have a hate boner for adhd and other psychiatric conditions. if you're suggesting that psychiatry is used to explain away inadequacies in our educational system, then why not just criticize the system? why criticize the sufferers, the people who are simply trying their best to fit in with a system that's not made for them?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:03:51 2018 No.9904023

>>9903979
omega-3 is actually being challenged by the latest meta analysis.

mfw
>take supplement/nutrient x, y and z and you will be healthy. No diseases, or mental illnesses really exist, just gotta eat good and exercise.

>2018 meta analysis
http://cochranelibrary-wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003177.pub3/full

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:06:53 2018 No.9904032 >>9904017 it's not fair that some people have amphetamines

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:09:36 2018 No.9904038 >>9904032 what? did you even read what i wrote? some people need them to live the way they want. if you don't need them, great. if you do, go to your doctor and ask for them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:11:18 2018 No.9904041 >>9904023 >Links me a study about cardiovascular disease as if that's the only benefit attributed to omega-3 consumption

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:14:19 2018 No.9904047

>>9904041
What other well researched and established effects do fish oils have?

If anything they MAY have an effect at much higher doses. Not the stuff you find in your local supermarket. And even then they'd be much better compounds.

>Talks about Adderall being a scam
>Is currently being scammed by supplements companies

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:14:48 2018 No.9904050

>>9904017
>what i don't understand is why so many denizens of the internet have a hate boner for adhd and other psychiatric conditions.
My issue with them is entirely focused on their use in "treating" children.
There's a tertiary issue that you get where individuals prescribed often elevate themselves above the non-diagnosed masses who use it for studying.
Though I personally couldn't care less what drug addicts think about themselves in relationship to other addicts.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:20:44 2018 No.9904063

>>9904007
>Yeah you reshaped my statement around your agenda to get back at me without arguing against any of my comments.
I only respond to good points, though I find it important to comment on this.
You were the one who reshaped my argument.
My original point was that some individuals are lacking fluid memory skills, and as such use amphetamines to compensate.
I added to this that those who are actually competent in that regard also find similar benefits to cognitive abilities.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:23:22 2018 No.9904068

>>9904047
>https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/137/4/855/4664682
A non-trivial percentage of the brain is made from omega-3.
To assume there is no benefit to it is so hilarious to the point where I would highly recommend you try a vegan diet without supplementation.
Come back in a few years and tell me how that goes.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:23:47 2018 No.9904070

I think most people won't deny the existence of ADD/ADHD they rather state that it's an over diagnosed "disorder" that lead to people being fed mind altering substances that change their personalities, and brain chemistry and not necessarily for the better.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:30:15 2018 No.9904088

>>9903920
No it isn't. Denying the existence of ADHD/ADD and diagnosing every kid who doesn't sit still and learn everything from the first listening in a classroom of 40 students with it is only a thing in the US.
You can literally see it in the brain scan images. Of course Americans don't even do those since it costs money and selling pills to everyone just in case gives money.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:33:05 2018 No.9904101

>>9904068
First of all this talks about developing brains. Not adult brains. The concept of neurogenesis is still not established and controversial.

Your argument is that because the brain is made of something, supplementing with it will improve the brain. If the brain was developping and needed building blocks sure. But is this the case in adults?

Can you find any major review that shows any cognitive or mental benefit to omega-3? If it was that obvious then the relationship must easily be found when studied. Has this been the case? Can you source anything that supports your statement more directly rather than using logical fallacies?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:33:27 2018 No.9904102 >>9904088 >You can literally see it in the brain scan images. Then why isn't it diagnosed with brain scans? >Hint: because this is bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:34:36 2018 No.9904107 >>9904102 >Then why isn't it diagnosed with brain scans? It is in every civilized place.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:34:43 2018 No.9904108

>>9904101
>If it was that obvious then the relationship must easily be found when studied
Unfortunately our understanding of neurology isn't at the point where we can say for certain things like this.
It's just comical to assume that there is literally zero benefit for something that is so abundant in your body that your body can't naturally produce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:36:26 2018 No.9904113 >>9904107 >It is in every civilized place. Citation needed. The real reason it isn't is because such a small minority actually are distinguishable from brain scans alone. This would lead to less diagnoses and as such less profit.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:38:56 2018 No.9904118

>>9904102
It's comical to assume such a simple hypothesis.

Let's say the brain was made of just omega-3 and nothing else.

-What if it could recycle the omega-3?
-What if it could create omega 3 from other fats?
-What if it didn't need to grow bigger and therefore didn't require more omega 3 at all?(controversy surrounding neurogenesis)
-What if any brain plasiticity involved modifying connections using material already present instead of creating new ones?
-What if your body could store omega-3 for long periods of times and use it slowly when required?

So many different reasons why A being made out of C = C being useful for A

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:40:03 2018 No.9904124 >>9904118 ... is overly simplistic and ignores many possibilities. Forgot to type the last words (ADHD in action)

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:40:06 2018 No.9904125

>>9903939
Personally, this has been my hunch for a very log time too, and it explains why Adderall seems to be abused by so many college students these days, ADHD diagnosis or not. If you read blogs by psychiatrists you'll see them lamenting that so many people come to them demanding ADHD meds even though they don't have a diagnosis precisely because they abused it through college and got excellent grades thanks to it.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:40:59 2018 No.9904129

As someone diagnosed with ADHD and as being on the "autism spectrum" I can say it definitely isn't a scientific concept. It seems to just be people who happen to exhibit broad, vague groups of behaviors that we socially consider abnormal or problematic, not a genuine condition that can be physically and objectively observed like say, down syndrome can, it's largely based on subjective reports of behavior rather than anything solid. That said I still like to take my doctor prepared speed, though it's been causing me to freak out a bit lately.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:43:20 2018 No.9904134

>>9904050
>My issue with them is entirely focused on their use in "treating" children

what about the children who actually do need them to fit into our system? they'd be SOL if you were calling the shots. don't kvetch about adhd being overdiagnosed unless you're also prepared to address the problem with our system of education. otherwise your complaints amount to victim blaming and nothing more.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:44:13 2018 No.9904136

>>9904118
It's entertaining that you think there isn't any other evidence that links it to positive mental functioning.
I hate doing this but I'm not going to spoonfeed you ever piece of research on the topic. Though here's another taste:
>http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0046832

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:46:49 2018 No.9904143 >>9904134 The education system is the cause of the problem, yes. But to say that because of that I'm not allowed to complain about drugging children is some 3D kvetching there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:48:48 2018 No.9904150 >>9904143 >But to say that because of that I'm not allowed to complain about drugging children is some 3D kvetching there. who are you complaining to?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:49:48 2018 No.9904152

>>9904129
I am diagnosed with exactly the same two disorders.

That is not true. Maybe no observable differences in the naked eye. But definitely a difference in the brain of people with ADHD and people without.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2958516/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:50:21 2018 No.9904155 >>9904150 >who are you complaining to? Some idiot named "Anonymous."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:53:32 2018 No.9904163 >>9904152 Are there any other articles on this? 100 participants does not a conclusive study make.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:55:13 2018 No.9904169

>>9904136

I have to agree with you.

This is a better review study.

However, the magnitude of the effect isn't as significant as it's being portrayed. And again they're are much more efficient compounds. And lack of supplementation hasn't been shown to turn people into retards.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:58:24 2018 No.9904175

>>9904169
>However, the magnitude of the effect isn't as significant as it's being portrayed.
Fair point.
But as with anything else in science, moderate results are likely to be over-exaggerated by those who don't understand them.
This is especially true when it comes to nutrition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:58:36 2018 No.9904176 >>9904155 don't be a smartass, you know what i mean. the fact is, a lot of people do need them to function. if you have a better idea, i'm all ears. if not, then stop bitching.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:00:31 2018 No.9904180

>>9904163
Yes there are a few.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3016271/

If you scroll down to "neuroimaging" there are a list of sources referenced for each structural difference described.

This study also talks about genetic markers and other factors observable in people with ADHD compared to NT.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:03:51 2018 No.9904185

>>9904176
My idea is to be cautious when giving a person who's brain isn't fully developed pills which often lead to life-long dependence
And that just because our educational systems are trash is not sufficient reason to do this.
I'm curious what kind of "better idea" you're looking for, as I've already stated that reformatting the schools would likely help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:05:44 2018 No.9904189 there is nothing wrong with children using legal speed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:06:16 2018 No.9904191 >>9904185 but if the schools aren't fixed then people are left without recourse if you take away the medication. it helps nobody.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:08:20 2018 No.9904195 >>9904191 so it would seem like your main focus should be the problems with schools, not the drugs that people use as a desperate, stop-gap measure to keep their kids from falling behind

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:09:05 2018 No.9904199 >>9904191 >but if the schools aren't fixed then people are left without recourse if you take away the medication. But if the medication practices remain the same, then the schools are left to stay the way they are without feeling the need to change.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:10:59 2018 No.9904205 >>9904180 I'll read that later and respond, as there are way too many sources in that article for me to finish right now.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:14:53 2018 No.9904212

>>9904199
>But if the medication practices remain the same, then the schools are left to stay the way they are without feeling the need to change.

what reason do you have to believe that changing medication practices will effect the necessary changes in education?

even if it does work, you're ruining a lot of lives in order to make an example rather than just addressing the problem directly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:15:57 2018 No.9904216 >>9904212 >even if it does work, you're ruining a lot of lives in order to make an example rather than just addressing the problem directly. Are you implying that creating life-long drug dependencies doesn't do just that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:17:22 2018 No.9904220 >>9904212 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/irish-journal-of-psychological-medicine/article/attending-to-adult-adhd-a-review-of-the-neurobiology-behind-adult-adhd/DCF994A7A4933CAE76E80F51866BC1F4 It's almost as if it's just their nature

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:21:49 2018 No.9904229 >>9904216 do you have data that suggests treatment does not improve long-term outcomes in people with adhd?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:25:51 2018 No.9904241

>>9904229
Do you have any data that suggests it does?
The article linked here:
>>9904220
concludes that the majority of ADHD diagnosis in children go away by the time their brain develops.
> individuals with cortical dysfunction are more likely to grow out of symptoms, whereas individuals with subcortical dysfunction may be less likely to do so.
I will admit that there is a proper subset that may be treatable only with drugs, but until we distinguish studies based on this, there is no way to know.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:33:17 2018 No.9904256

>>9904241
>Do you have any data that suggests it does?

no, but you're the one who's advocating against the use of a medication that many people find necessary and for which there's no effective alternative. if you give these people no recourse and can furnish no evidence that medication does more harm than good or that depriving people of that medication will somehow indirectly improve our educational system (which seems like a pretty remote possibility), then you're just ruining peoples lives and shifting blame

>I will admit that there is a proper subset that may be treatable only with drugs, but until we distinguish studies based on this, there is no way to know.

until then, please fuck off.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:36:55 2018 No.9904263

>>9904256
>advocating against the use of a medication that many people find necessary and for which there's no effective alternative
Yeah! Why disagree with meth addicts who say the drug helps them. Surely they must know what is right for themselves, and moreover for children.
Your entire argument is centered around a misunderstanding of the null hypothesis

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:45:42 2018 No.9904279

>>9904263

we're not talking about meth addicts. we're talking about people who are not being adequately served by our educational system. why complain about the workaround and not the problem itself? again, it's victim blaming. they're blamed they don't fit in and you'd deprive them of the tools they need to get the job done because of an entirely unsubstantiated belief that schools will change to accommodate these people rather than just failing them or lowering their educational standards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:48:10 2018 No.9904282 >>9904279 >why complain about the workaround and not the problem itself? Because the workaround serves as a way to keep the machine working, rather than allowing the kids to fail which would highlight the issue.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:48:26 2018 No.9904283

>>9904263
Most of those "meth addicts" grow to be functional members of society. My mom didn't want me to be "drugged up".
I ended up having alcohol problem, being homeless and imprisoned for arsony, and overall being a huge cost of tax money. But at least i never touched speed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:49:26 2018 No.9904287 >>9904282 >rather than allowing the kids to fail which would highlight the issue. you know this is bullshit, i know this is bullshit, come on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:56:37 2018 No.9904311 >>9904287 Are you attempting to imply that an increase in failure rates would not lead to a greater focus on education reform?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:57:55 2018 No.9904312

>>9900448
Thats not really anti-vax. That's more along the lines of "Hey, I realized that it was essentially cowpox so instead of spending 500 dollars on a smallpox vaccine I spent an hour working with a cow and gave myself cow pox, sure enough they were the same thing as far as my body was concerned without all the negative effects of smallpox and death."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 15:00:16 2018 No.9904315 >>9903914 If I'm not mistaken the Japanese government gave their population almost free amphetamine in the 50s, now a lot of those boomers still have addiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 15:03:22 2018 No.9904322 >>9904283 >Most of those "meth addicts" grow to be functional members of society Most of them also still take meth.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 15:08:22 2018 No.9904339

>>9904311
>Are you attempting to imply that an increase in failure rates would not lead to a greater focus on education reform?

so you'd sabotage people who are just trying to do their best in the hope their failure would stimulate education reform rather than just addressing the problem directly? that's the most asinine thing i've ever heard of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 15:16:34 2018 No.9904359 >>9904339 and people wonder what makes kids just go postal...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 15:32:58 2018 No.9904387 >>9904339 So you'd sabotage the chances these children have to grow up not addicted to drugs just to allow them a chance to succeed in an admittedly broken system? And people wonder why we have this drug epidemic.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:22:29 2018 No.9904504

>>9904387

as if adhd drugs are responsible for the "drug epidemic".

i don't really know what to say to you other than that you're an ass and the world will be a better place when you're six feet under. sabotaging people to make an example and shift blame, it's the epitome of ignorant-boomer/malicious-jew logic. probably mostly jews though. i guess i shouldn't be surprised.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:28:17 2018 No.9904515 >>9904387 >And people wonder why we have this drug epidemic. Because people like you deny the treatment from people that are basically unfit for society without it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:34:27 2018 No.9904528 >>9904515 >Because people like you deny the treatment from people that are basically unfit for society without it? Hilarious. No. Ever hear the phrase "get them while they're young?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:35:37 2018 No.9904534 >>9904504 >As if children with drug dependencies grow up to become adults with drug dependencies Oh yeah. Silly me. What was I thinking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:39:40 2018 No.9904542 >>9904534 again, show me the data. does treatment improve long-term outcomes in people with adhd or not? if you can make a convincing argument that they are harmful, then fine. if not, then your argument against medication is baseless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:50:53 2018 No.9904572 it's just a cycle of continual bullshit where people are bitched at for underachieving and then bitched at when they try to succeed. makes me want to blow my brains out.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 17:18:06 2018 No.9904636
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>>9904542
>does treatment improve long-term outcomes in people with adhd or not?
That depends. Do you consider it "treatment" for somebody to be on a harmful stimulant for their entire life?
If you say "yes if it allows them to hold a job/excel in academia" then we have a fundamentally different definition of what "treatment" entails.

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 17:22:44 2018 No.9904652

>>9903840

Most people who can focus for long periods of time gained the ability through practice. I used to think I had ADHD, as I used to experience exactly the same things you have described. However, through meditation (ya I know it sounds retarded, but it helped for me) and by using the pomodoro technique when doing tasks requiring intense focus, I improved. ADHD definitely exists, there are people who can get distracted so easily that they cannot function in the world, and even with intensive efforts cannot learn to focus. These people should be prescribed medication, but the way you've described your case, I think you could surely acquire the ability to concentrate

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 17:26:02 2018 No.9904660

>>9904636
>If you say "yes if it allows them to hold a job/excel in academia" then we have a fundamentally different definition of what "treatment" entails.

what if that's what they want to do? what if they don't want to do anything else? isn't that a good dream? isn't it good that people want to be productive and push themselves? do you really want to be the nigger crap in the nigger bucket who can't stand to see someone else get ahead?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 17:27:04 2018 No.9904663 >>9904660 >nigger crap crab

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 17:41:17 2018 No.9904691

>>9904636
>If you say "yes if it allows them to hold a job/excel in academia" then we have a fundamentally different definition of what "treatment" entails.

we're already getting spanked by internationals because of our shitty culture and k-12 education system. i think you have a poisonous, nigger-tier attitude because you'd sabotage an entire generation of thinkers just to prove a point. you think newton would have been cut out for an american 21st century education? i think not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 18:11:59 2018 No.9904752 >>9904691 >you think newton would have been cut out for an american 21st century education? i think not. >What are parents? >what is an autodidact?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 18:41:20 2018 No.9904794

>>9904660
I've met a person that told me in no uncertain terms, that they do not want others to be better than they are. If they cannot do something good, they don't want anyone else to do it better than them. These people exist, probably not as blatant about their ideology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 19:17:39 2018 No.9904872 As someone who has ADD, it truly is real. Sometimes alcohol helps me slow my brain down and actually enjoy something for once.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 19:19:45 2018 No.9904874 >>9904794 of course they exist. we wouldn't be in this mess if they didn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 19:20:01 2018 No.9904875 >>9900417 >>>/pol/180582140

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 20:28:42 2018 No.9904992 >>9904872 I've noticed this too. I can get more productive if I have a glass of wine while I'm working on something. Strange because you'd think only stimulants would do that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 21:12:50 2018 No.9905071 >born in the 80s >you have adhd >born 90s/00s >this kids autistic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 21:23:12 2018 No.9905092 >>9904992 I've got to try this. Maybe doing homework while slightly buzzed can actually work?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 21:50:09 2018 No.9905127 >>9905071 >This is what science looks like >Science changes over time I hate these people. You can never win with them because they've declared it a science, so they now have an army of "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" pseuds to back them up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 21:52:56 2018 No.9905132 >>9904169 Which compounds are better?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:07:03 2018 No.9905147 >>9903879 >and accept that your kidneys will be much less healthy as a result. source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:07:46 2018 No.9905149 >>9905132 Probiotics have been shown to have a similarly substantial effect on mental health

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:11:23 2018 No.9905153

>>9905147
>>9903879
>brainlets can't differentitate acute cases of massive dehydration and overactivity combined with (typically MDMA, since they are ultra-brainlets) and pharmacological elimination pathways
this is what they meant by the burden of knowledge

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:13:28 2018 No.9905155 File: 33 KB, 600x580, 1532790940683.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9904136 >indian research sidesplosion

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:15:08 2018 No.9905159 >>9903939 >forgetting that over 50% of top doctors and lawyers use it wew

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:20:08 2018 No.9905171 >>9904125 at my colleges freshman orientation, the lady from the school clinic literally said "if you are having trouble concentrating, we can help you with that". everybody at my school was on that shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:22:02 2018 No.9905178 >i'm mad about the jews that /pol/ told me about so i'm going to target people with psychiatric disease where do you think you are

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:22:50 2018 No.9905181 >>9905153 >burden of knowledge Oh I know this one >What is the null hypothesis?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:24:20 2018 No.9905183 >>9905181 there's a reason you weren't nearly smart enough for med school son

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:24:50 2018 No.9905185 >>9905159 >50% of doctors take a drug that can lead to mania >This is a good thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:25:52 2018 No.9905187 File: 21 KB, 460x276, the face of meth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this thread occupied by brainlets or jelly yuros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:26:54 2018 No.9905189 >>9905183 Nice one. I'm sure you are though, right?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:32:00 2018 No.9905197

>>9905189
I work side by side with MD PhD's on a regular basis and from what i've seen they blow the fuck out of typical MDs

If i had a tolerance for the drinking-from-a-firehose-of-regurgitated-outdated-facts educational life of MDs perhaps I'd have subjugated myself to that life, but i'd rather improve medicine in a more pure sense within radiology.

so to answer your poorly articulated inquiry - Yes, I am smarter than you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:32:34 2018 No.9905198 >>9905197 Larp harder

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:35:36 2018 No.9905203 >>9905198 thank you for the compliment my salty coposter

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:37:34 2018 No.9905208 >>9905203 Funny that you would even try to impress people by larping as a male nurse. Compliments indeed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:39:08 2018 No.9905212 >>9905208 triggered the brainlet trap too really is getting too easy these days

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:40:02 2018 No.9905213 >>9905212 What the fuck are you even talking about anymore?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 22:42:40 2018 No.9905215

>heh, i corrected his intentionally incorrectly spelling on a gigaquick post on a nearly completely worthless website which has a sole saving grace of effectively no moderation and a community happy to tell annoying people to kill themselves
>as a result, i won the argument!
lit really is smarter than sci

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 23:25:48 2018 No.9905296 >>9905159 >professionals in cognitively demanding professions use drugs to improve their cognition How exactly does that invalidate what I'm saying?

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 23:27:22 2018 No.9905299

>>9905296
>brainlets need their Adderall to get a B in remedial college algebra but nobody wants to say it do we call it ADHD, little Timmy is a brainlet shit for brains who can't learn how to read, he's not dumb, he has ADHD don't you see, load him up with amphetamines so he can finally be semi literate

you implied only/primarily brainlets use it, when the reality is it's used by a higher % of high-tier professions than by brainlets

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 23:27:32 2018 No.9905300 Test

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 23:30:09 2018 No.9905304

>>9905299
It's an all around cognitive enhancer, some people start taking it in elementary school others begin in law school. It would better to just market it as such and be honest about it all. Or perhaps not. Industrialized society seems to be too demanding of people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 23:36:08 2018 No.9905317 >>9905304 I don't disagree. I just wanted to destroy any notion of "only brainlets utilize dextroamphetamine" it's basically the only real nootropic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 00:15:14 2018 No.9905387 >>9905317 >it's basically the only real nootropic The funny thing about it is that it's been proven to decrease cognitive abilities. The benefits of pure focus are just so great that it outweighs the negatives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 08:00:26 2018 No.9905970 >>9905387 >The funny thing about it is that it's been proven to decrease cognitive abilities. source? I recall that it improved scores on math tests and in people with ADHD resulted in ~+4.5 IQ points on average

Anonymous Tue Jul 31 08:50:22 2018 No.9906069

>>9905970
I was talking about individuals without ADHD
There is decent evidence that it help those with it.
When it comes to individuals without, you see mixed results.
My take from this is that many individuals have attention deficit issues not diagnosable as ADD/ADHD, and as such end up muddying up the data
Here's an interesting read nonetheless:
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brb3.78
Table 1 shows these mixed results

Anonymous Tue Jul 31 08:56:27 2018 No.9906082

>>9906069
Thanks, i hadn't seen this.
Don't have time to read the whole thing right now, but what immediately comes to mind is if it usually decreases the time it takes to react to a stimuli you can complete tasks faster.
Doing things faster is functionally equivalent to "cognitive enhancement" in the vast majority of cases.
Kind of like doubling a programmer's typing speed won't make him code better, but it will make him code more, which is (usually) better overall.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 12:01:53 2018 No.9906352 Can L-Theanine help for ADD? I've been taking 200mg and don't notice much of a difference.

>>	/armchair/ Tue Jul 31 12:05:41 2018 No.9906359 >>9906352 because theres not really any evidence that l-theanine helps with anythiing or it would probably be a proscribed drug by now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 02:43:06 2018 No.9907883 >>9903935 i have a feeling if i never took vyvanse i wouldn't be dependent on it like i am now

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 07:05:33 2018 No.9908142

>>9905132
nothing can make you significantly smarter. Some antidepressants might work wonders if you have issues that they can treat.

Other than that you are looking at racetams, modafinil, other nootropics like selank/semax.

All of these would be stronger if anything when compared to fish oils.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 14:34:10 2018 No.9908849 >>9901787 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 14:41:46 2018 No.9908865 >>9907883 I take Vyvanse now, how would you describe your dependence on it? Just that you can't function normally without it when you could before taking it? Or more like traditional drug dependence with a physical need?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 14:43:25 2018 No.9908867 >>9908865 the former i simply can't force myself through work unless i'm taking the medicine

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 14:52:41 2018 No.9908892 >>9908849 is ">>>/pol/" what redditors use here in lieu of downboobing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 16:29:00 2018 No.9909134 >>9908867 It's not as extreme for me, otherwise that's how it is for me. But the caveat was that it was like this long before I ever took medication, so I'm at a loss for what the best course of action would even be.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 16:55:24 2018 No.9909213
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>mfw I take ritalin and my sociability increases, my creativity stays the same but I can focus it.

This is a miracle drug but it puts a strain in the body. One has to be careful around anxiety. If there weren't any flaws it would totally substitute my coffee, that is only useful to wake me up and make me nervous.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 16:58:22 2018 No.9909222

>>9909213
Yes, anxiety is caused by excess adrenaline and noradrenaline, and both are made from dopamine, which ritalin increases. I don't take stimulants nor coffee, and since my dopamine got back to normal I've been having anxiety issues and was put on SSRIs.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:03:44 2018 No.9909241
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>>9909222

My problem is that my inability to cope with academic demands until I discovered meds has brought me a lot of stress that is finally overpowering me. Meds are wonderful, but they don't transform you into the Limitless guy so until I'm able to repair all the damage done during these last 8 years I will have to control my stress.

If I get extremely stressed and I don't sleep my hours my anxiety gets so high I'm not even able to completely focus on meds, and upping the dose is a big no since I have to tone down my anxiety or it will skyrocket.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:06:20 2018 No.9909251 >>9909241 How do you tone it down, usually?

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:09:18 2018 No.9909261

>>9909251

Sleeping 8 hours, going for a run, having social life and playing videogames.

The worst about this? Those activities substract time from my obligations, so if I do all of them too often I will get even more behind on my studies and the stress will pile up again in the near future as I fail. It's difficult to compensate.

I tried upping my dose once. First day worked well, second day I had what I think it was a panic attack and needed 3 days to recover because I felt completely drained and vulnerable. So while my anxiety is like this I can't rely on higher doses of meds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:17:42 2018 No.9909286 >>9909261 I had many panic attacks without any drugs, such is the power of high dopamine on someone who is not used to. I can tell you that I do all these four and had to take a serotonergic drug(Escitalopram), which worked. Consider taking it.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:35:51 2018 No.9909339
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>>9909286

Oh I have access to those, but I don't want to take them unless it's absolutely necessary because I don't want to become a lazy ass. In absence of stress I basically become unable to do anything productive. I literally need the rush of stress to finish things, and that translated into procrastinating until there were 8 hours left to write an assignment, for example. I would go into overdrive mode, skip sleep and make all the work that I should have put during weeks before into that night and get something good out of it.

For exams? It was a success until it stopped being so, and my ability to get that productive rush of anxiety started to diminish since I wasn't getting the "reward" that was passing the exam. With that coping mechanism broken, I tried ritalin to see if it could help me. Turns out it does.

Until recently I have been against almost all kind of drugs and believed ADHD was an excuse. Now I'm more open minded and starting to think that I possibly have ADD and I didn't want to admit it because I see it as a weakness, or as a way to externalize something that it's my fault. But these last two years I've been putting so much effort and I'm seeing very little improvements, so maybe the problem isn't that I was lazy, but something else was causing my behaviour.

Also, I know a very succesful and diligent friend who started taking it too. He said it helped him a little, but not so much and he typically crashed after 3 hours getting headaches. I didn't experience any headaches in my case, and from that comparison I could suppose that he, as a high performer, wasn't benefiting from the drug because he was able to naturally focus a lot.

I've also tried modafinil. It woke me up, but my ability to get distracted was still the same, so I see it as a powerful super coffee that really doesn't help me with my problems.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:45:12 2018 No.9909357

>>9902355
He never gave an argument for why ADHD is not real or how it's different from a myriad of other illnesses that are also clusters of behavior with no singular genetic or chemical cause. ADHD like most illnesses is likely a problem lying along a continuum. Saying ADHD isn't real or that it's "just a behavior cluster" is like saying stupid people aren't real. In this case, if stupidity could be treated with a pill I would not give a shit if the pill company said it was a fucking act of God, I would be grateful.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:49:22 2018 No.9909362

>>9909339
Thanks for the report on modafinil. That fits its pharmacology pretty well, it's after all a drug for narcolepsy, not ADD.

Yeah, if you don't pass the exam by overdue cramming then you intuitively abandon that behavior. I think a certain way to know if you have ADD is if doing your tasks drain you into a tired state. If you don't even do your task then certainly you don't have motivation, but if you do them and feel unrewarded then you simply forced yourself into it without any interest. So the non-ADD person does his task And feels good afterwards.

What do you mean you are putting so much effort now without results?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 17:59:06 2018 No.9909384 My ex was addicted to Ritalin she definitely didn't need. The over prescribing was insane. It was like painkillers in the 00s, just not quite as drastic consequences. Hormones will be next.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 18:18:05 2018 No.9909438
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>>9909362

With that I mean that first I thought that my failures steemed from me being lazy and relying on cramming to pass. I altered my study methods and established a daily habit of studying 10-12 hours at the library almost every day. I managed to force myself to do it, but in the end I felt as I was only getting 3-4 hours of real study out of it. Studying less time didn't improve it because it wasn't a matter of burning out. It's simply that my mind wasn't able to completely focus on what was I studying.

My friend would be able to study those 12 hours with me and get A+ results. He was also telling me I was getting distracted sometimes and I would actually be surprised because I wasn't even realising it.

After all that effort I put, my marks went up by a little. I was dumbfounded. From studying 2-3 days before the final exam to studying every single day 12 hours a day and I only improved like a 10%?

Something was wrong. My life was reduced to only studying during the 80% of my waking hours and I didn't see the results I expected.

>>9909384

It's understandable, ritalin makes everything more enjoyable, so you have to be careful. Taking it to the extreme, meth junkies aren't able to feel joy from anything until they redose, so they keep doing it to find a reason to live. Dangerous path indeed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 18:27:17 2018 No.9909457 Then why do I struggle with school so much?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 19:03:24 2018 No.9909552 >>9909438 What were you studying?

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 01:12:19 2018 No.9910211

Here's a quick litmus test:

>go to a college campus during mid-terms/finals
>make friends in a coffee shop
>complain that you don't have enough time or energy to study for all of your tests
>get bitchy about all the kids around you using adderall
>if they know somebody, go buy adderall
>if they don't, go make new friends
>rinse and repeat until you find a kid with a fake script
>take 15mg of ER or 10mg of IR
>if you feel like you're anxious, on edge, your heart is about to explode, etc. you probably don't have ADHD
>if you feel like life just became 1000% easier, you're getting everything done, you feel like you're on top of the world, you probably have ADHD

That's basically it. I was prescribed Dexedrine for my post-burnout fatigue (I tried to do college, but I couldn't keep up with the workload without having mental pain) and it changed my life. If you're constantly procrastinating, zoning out in conversation, losing shit, not "getting" what everyone else "gets," told you're not "reaching your potential," chain smoke/ binge drink (coffee/alcohol), without so much as a heart murmur, you probably have ADHD and are self-medicating. I don't know why it happens, but people who take in a lot of nicotine and caffeine without health issues usually have ADHD. Diet coke too, but that's less common.

Exercising everyday leads to big improvements. So does finding good coping skills (like a journal/schedule), going on keto, and getting comorbid sleep issues fixed.

ADHD is also similar to the experiences of depression, menstrual cramps, or getting waterboarded. You can't comprehend what it's like until you've personally experienced it. You don't know what it's like to have the prefrontal cortex of a child until you really do.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 08:27:44 2018 No.9910725
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>>9910211

I don't fully agree with that. If somebody takes a higher dose than he needs he's going to experience a lot of anxiety and heart racing, but that's what a lot of retards do because the are chasing the high. Although as I said, my friend felt only a little improvement because he said he "was getting a bit stressed". He didn't find he was more into the things he was studying, but that extra stress helped him focus. Anyways it wasn't very useful for him because headaches were interrupting his study schedule. After 4 hours he would experience a headacha, and I would simply feel a comedown and I would be able to redose If I wanted.

He's a top performer as I said, and due to that different effect of ritalin on us I think our brains could be wired differently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 08:42:56 2018 No.9910741 File: 37 KB, 434x327, 015.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9910211 >tfw go through 4 juul packs a week >tfw take 600mg caffeine pills everyday >tfw feel half asleep if i dont do this d-do i have adhd?

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 08:52:38 2018 No.9910759

>>9905304
>It's an all around cognitive enhancer, some people start taking it in elementary school others begin in law school

when to start taking it is an interesting question. i agree with anons that middle school is too early. i wouldn't take it just for the sake of making some crotchety middle school teacher's life easier. you'll burn out long before you actually need it if you start that early. high school is probably the earliest imo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 08:57:28 2018 No.9910767 >>9900417 Doesn't this shit cause brain shrinkage in children?

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:09:52 2018 No.9910776

>>9910767
What mind of delusional world do you live in? No one gives a shit if it makes children dumb, as long as they shut up and stop being loud. Which is exactly what children do, because children are stupid and don't have manners. This is more of a parenting problem than it is a psychological problem. Even if ADD/ADHD is absolutely 100% real, I highly doubt it is a condition that emerged within the last 50 years. People with ADD are annoying, they're not broken.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:10:11 2018 No.9910777 >if you don't believe in imaginary condition manufactured by pharma industry and perpetuated by incompetent parents then you're le pseudoscience fag Thanks for advice, shlomo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:12:52 2018 No.9910783 >>9910767 >>9910776 Well, I'm not an advocate of using ADHD meds in children, because the brain is still developing and it could make permanent changes. For an adult I think it's ok, since the brain is fully developed at the age or 24 or so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:28:05 2018 No.9910808 >>9910783 Using psychoactive drugs on children just to make your life more convenient is basically the same as abortion. Let’s fuck this other life up to preserve my happiness.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:28:26 2018 No.9910809

>>9910783

That's not how it works. If people can sell it, they will. Drs truly do not care that they are prescribing children amphetamines. Parents do not care that their children are taking it, as long as they shut up and play with the IPad instead of running around, being annoying like children should be doing. It's literally selfish parents that want their free time. I digress. Point is, whether you advocate it or not, you simply perpetuating it is bad enough.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:45:03 2018 No.9910846

>>9910809
>Parents do not care that their children are taking it

so why do you? i agree, it should not be prescribed before high school, but only because you don't really learn anything of value in middle school anyway. of all the issues in the world today though, the overdiagnosis of adhd seems like a rather minor evil, especially since we seem to have a shortage of students with adequate skills for STEM.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:53:51 2018 No.9910855 and how are other habits like video games, television, facebook any better? we have a strange view of addiction, one that seems to favor unproductive habits over productive habits.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:58:46 2018 No.9910861 >>9910846 >anon you care about abortion? >you don't even have a kid So I'm not allowed to have an opinion? You're dumb, shut up. >You don't learn anything in school, it's fine to take meth lol. This is you, fix yourself.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:10:07 2018 No.9910886
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It's interesting to see that people who oppose ADHD meds rarely had problems with their academic career. Makes you think they don't want others to succeed using different ways because they see them as "cheaters".

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:11:41 2018 No.9910889 >>9910886 it's part of a conspiracy to keep americans from pursuing STEM careers in college.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:11:58 2018 No.9910890 >>9910886 they are either teens or edgelords who don't realize that science is a collaborative endeavor.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:14:08 2018 No.9910893
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>>9910890

FUCKING EXACTLY. What are you afraid of? If somebody needs ADHD meds to have a successful career you should praise them for the effort they are putting into the advancement of science and society.

Paul Erdos, for example.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:14:41 2018 No.9910894 >>9910886 there's nothing wrong with 20 something young adults taking nootropics or amphs to cram for exams there's everything wrong with feeding teens and preteens babby cocaine because they're more interested in vidya and sex than quadratic equations

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:17:53 2018 No.9910900

>>9910894

And I agree with you. I know a kid who is obsessed with video games and is failing at school. The source of his problems is that his parents divorced and the mother gives him every single console and game he wants.

Diagnosis: ADHD. No, I don't agree with that, but at this rate maybe the meds are going to be his only alternative. It's sad.

When I talk about treatment I talk about adults who finally, after tons of effort, figure out that something is very wrong and maybe they have a condition they didn't know because they have been coping with it until it didn't work anymore and everything is crashing to the ground.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:40:58 2018 No.9910918

>>9910894
>>9910900

there's a big difference between amphetamine and MPH though. most people seem to prefer amphetamine but i suspect this is only because it's a more euphoric experience. MPH isn't as reinforcing. amphetamine is moreish and so is MPH, but MPH to a much lesser degree than amphetamine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:43:00 2018 No.9910923 >>9910918 and MPH is almost always used as the "front-line" treatment in children rather than amphetamine, so the "CHILDREN ON METH" hysteria is uncalled for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:48:39 2018 No.9910928 >>9901138 exactly this.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 11:51:18 2018 No.9911005

>>9910725
>I don't fully agree with that. If somebody takes a higher dose than he needs he's going to experience a lot of anxiety and heart racing,
I assumed this too, but I accidentally overdosed once and took three times more than I should, but with no heart racing or anxiety.
>>9910741
Probably

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 16:48:37 2018 No.9911705 File: 2 KB, 125x70, 1519946032585s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw people still deny the existence of ADHD/ADD

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 19:30:32 2018 No.9912042 >>9911705 It's a description of behavioral traits. To claim it's anything else is little more than reification at this point.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 22:30:59 2018 No.9912477

>>9910759
This. I didn't get prescribed til I was 17, and it was honestly a game changer. I actually developed a love for mathematics because I actually had the attention span to read the fucking textbook and learn the shit rather than being bored to death by the dogshit teachers who were trying their best to make us hate the subject.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 03:54:31 2018 No.9912908 >>9910741 packs or pods?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 09:08:34 2018 No.9913272 >>9912477 the math conspiracy theory that someone posted here not too long ago is disturbingly plausible. even many undergraduate college math classes focus more on mechanical calculation rather than structure, logic, and inference. it's a shame.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 09:22:06 2018 No.9913293 ADHD is real, but only like 1% of the diagnosed cases are actual ADHD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:15:37 2018 No.9913502 >>9900417 Let me guess. Every morning everyone in the room draws straws. The single short straw is a lucky win for the shill who gets to manage /sci/ for the day. The rest of you are forced to police /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:35:41 2018 No.9913659 Will psychiatric pills help me? I have intense anxiety when studying, depression, and can't concentrate for shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 20:03:05 2018 No.9914385 >>9913659 Go to the psych and get screened for GAD, ADHD and depression and let the professional think about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 00:59:31 2018 No.9914741 >>9900439 >t. brainlet it might as well be amphetamine tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 01:05:03 2018 No.9914750 File: 102 KB, 292x337, 1524047664123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9900417 >pic You sure know how to grab my attention from Popular Threads

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 06:01:44 2018 No.9915023
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>Drinking coffee in the morning, ritalin in the afternoon
>Anxious, not able to focus 100% on my tasks. Feeling more tired after the comedown.
>Only ritalin in the afternoon.
>Almost zero anxiousness, it's easier to manage my energy levels. The comedown spreads during 4 hours after the main 4 hours of effects and I start to feel naturally tired.

Coffee is out of the menu for me now, except for morning workouts. I can't give my 100% without coffee and I'm not taking rit for going to the gym.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 11:07:09 2018 No.9915387 >>9905153 molly is a hell of a drug when used responsibly anon ;)

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 11:45:44 2018 No.9915444 >>9910741 No the issue is that your body has adapted to the stimulants via homeostasis. So, now you need them to be normal. You could stop taking them, and be tired for a while to allow your brain to reset.

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 12:54:06 2018 No.9915561

>>9915444
Trips of truth
The reason psychiatric medication is so much more dangerous than recreational drugs are because
>They are widely accepted by society
>You were prescribed them from an authority figure
>Up to 2 months of withdrawal unless you're planning on weening off, which takes even longer

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 13:13:09 2018 No.9915602

>>9903879
>Some expert even believe that future mental health will be treated largely by correcting imbalances in that ecosystem.
Lol. Microbiome is a fad in research. Yeah, microbiome matters, and so do a bajillion other things. Interest in microbiome research is already waning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 14:00:42 2018 No.9915706 >>9915602 >fad Do you even understand how science works? They discover a new thing, and then figure it out, and for the most part move on If you wanna call that a fad then I know exactly where your mind is at

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 14:39:11 2018 No.9915790

>>9915706
You're not making a meaningful distinction between discoveries and fields that continue to yield useful applications after the initial surge of interest and discovery and flavor-of-the-year memes that are hyped up and subsequently forgotten, i.e. 'fads'.

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 18:20:10 2018 No.9916395

>>9910211
it's like my prefrontal cortex didn't evolve further than my first year of high school. Before that I was relatively ok and could still fit in, but now it feels like it hasn't even developed slightly and I feel so stuck. I'm really intelligent and fast in other areas, but it's that fucking executive function that comes to ruin every fucking one of my days. It's the thing people notice the most. You can be underdeveloped in nearly any other area and people won't give a shit usually, but the pf cortex is so essential to normal interaction with the world around you that it just inhibits everything you do.

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 18:28:46 2018 No.9916422

>>9916395
i cannot for the life of me perform two slightly more complex tasks at the same time, and it's driving everyone around me and mostly myself up the wall. I just notice it constantly. "Alright let's put my wallet in my pocket while I walk out of this shop" next thing I know I bump into the door because somehow it's impossible to keep track of where i'm going and put my wallet away at the same time.
Stuff like that happens constantly 24/7. It's exhausting, and people soon think I'm just a fucking idiot until they start talking to me. I have complex and abstract thoughts and ideas that are racing through the back of my mind while at the same time I have to put all my effort into fucking organizing my bag, and still get overwhelmed.
Yeah, adderall seems really nice if it even just cleared out the executive functions a little bit

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 18:32:32 2018 No.9916431 >>9900544 Project much?

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 18:44:33 2018 No.9916459

>>9900417
Diagnosed and briefly medicated for ADHD here.
Its all a scam. ADHD doesnt exist, its just what they call the kids who dont comply to a classroom setting. That way when theres a kid who makes life hard for the teacher, the teacher can just tell the parents to get him/her tested. The kid comes back a few days later whacked out on drugs and willing to sit and listen like a good boy.

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 03:13:44 2018 No.9917210

>>9900417
Show me the brain scan that shows you have less neurotransmitters than a "normal" person.
I think you're mistaken, people don't "deny the existence of ADHD/ADD" (also ADD literally doesn't exist according to the APA), or the fact that psychostimulants help a tremendous amount. But the practice of diagnosing 15% of males, and giving psychostimulants to them is a uniquely American and Harmful practice. The cardiovascular effects alone should preclude giving them to fucking elementary schoolers.
Just a reminder, the term adderall is a contraction ADD for all. I shit you not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 03:21:41 2018 No.9917221 >>9900417 >TFW too autistic to go to the Doc for prescription

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 03:24:00 2018 No.9917225

>>9900417
I told a doctor I couldn't pay attention in class. This was at the age of 20, no prior diagnosis of ADHD. First time he gave me ritalin, second time just asked for adderall and he gave it to me. I wanted adderall, and my insurance covers it, so why not try? I could not believe how easy it was to get a script.

The system, in America at least, is a joke. A teacher gets annoyed with a kid because of one too many interruptions. Kid don't give no shits bout not gay ass math lol fuck you teacher bitch I'm 8. Big meeting with the parents, counselor, shrink, and of course the teacher who noticed his "hyperactive behavior".
Except there's no point to this meeting, because the kid's diagnosis is already decided before he gets there.

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 03:25:59 2018 No.9917229

>>9900417
As an American, i have low faith in the mental health industry. After 2 hours of speaking to a therapist, i was recommended anti-depressants and my mental health was judged based on a 10 question quiz. Fuck the system and listen to your intuition.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 05:30:14 2018 No.9917387 adhd is the natural state when people don't get to learn good habits to learn having a normal amount of energy. basically fuck old people telling young people their reality

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 06:13:45 2018 No.9917424 >>9904134 >making a kid sit and learn stuff that doesn't interest him is worth side effects of amphetamines I love Americans.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 06:20:21 2018 No.9917432 >>9904191 Elementary, middle, and high school were boring as fuck though. Why should we medicate children with drugs that are not vital to their health, and have well known side effects instead of fixing the problem at the source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 07:44:24 2018 No.9917517 File: 963 KB, 1064x1500, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9916459 > The kid comes back a few days later whacked out on drugs and willing to sit and listen like a good boy. Then it works.

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 08:31:03 2018 No.9917547

>>9904872
>>9904992
>>9905092
Anon also with adhd here, I don’t drink much if ever, I got to try this, thank you!

Also I just want to say I adhd is real and has affected my life a good bit, to keep it simple and not tell my life story and the bs parts, I was diagnosed very young (second grade I think) my parents tried to medicate me throughout elementary and to some of middle school, there was one or two I forget the name(s) of I spent a lot of time on and felt emotionally dead and just going through the motions of life then would crash the second I sat down at home after school. I’m now 21 and have not relied on any meds tonget shit done since middle school and even got through college (although it was For a associate in a trade.) I’ve noticed some oddities I don’t understand but seem to work for me nonetheless, like caffeine not really affecting me as much as it typically does for my friends unless I drink a lot of it, I recently discovered I’m only productive or motivated to be productive when I wear my work boots, otherwise I’m as useless as a lump on a log. If adhd is fake, I’d appreciate any potential reasons why these oddities occur.

At the end of the day, maybe adhd is just an umbrella term for “teacher doesn’t wanna do their job with roudy boys in class so let’s drug em!” But it doesn’t change the fact it’s difficult for me to do certain things like focus on something for too long or my shit short term memory. (could just be my genes but seems to be a common thing for adhd diagnosed people.)

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 08:33:34 2018 No.9917553

>>9917517
But why should an 8 year old be forced to learn irrelevant shit for hours on end? Math and language skills are important, but elementary school kids are there for 7 hours, and typically get around a half hour break at lunch. It "works" in the laziest way possible, the child stops annoying the adults.

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 12:15:10 2018 No.9917864
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>>9917553
>Implying science doesn't need effort

The sooner they learn there are things they will hate and will nevertheless require to know in order to function in this demanding society, the best they will do.

The "oh my god why do we have to learn these boooooring things!" is very childish. Oh, the irony.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 12:31:56 2018 No.9917884 >>9917864 How much science is an elementary schooler on adderall doing?

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 12:34:13 2018 No.9917886

>>9917884

The same as the other kids: basic mathematics that will be the building blocks of their education

I'm not advocating the use of these meds on kids (I'm against it), but as I said, saying "hurr durrr they should be playing instead of studying" is a load of bullshit. I want to play video games all day too and I'm 25 years old, what makes me different from them? Maturity? Then they should begin to mature making these little efforts step by step.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 22:25:25 2018 No.9919255 >>9902326 It's actually under diagnosed but there are definitely a lot of ordinary spastics who are misdiagnosed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 23:10:12 2018 No.9919336 >>9915790 >subsequently forgotten Only brainlets like you forget things that easily

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 23:13:53 2018 No.9919343 >>9917229 >10 question quiz. I was literally given a sheet with (probably the same) 10 questions on it, and asked if I had any of them. I said yes, and was immediately prescribed adderall Something needs to change

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Every night I go to bed and I hope that every american, jew and nigger gets killed during my sleep.
Every day I wake up and I see a thread like this, and I know my wishes weren't fulfilled.
The future will look down on us for allowing such deformed "people" to exist on this earth
Makes you think that the only country that diagnoses adhd is the same where drug abuse is rising every year in the white population
You americans are a disgrace on mankind.
Every human.being that ever walked on this planet is better than you.
You are literally lord of the ring style abhominations

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 01:27:40 2018 No.9919599 >>9900417 >Meth is your medicine >and your illness is never cured Lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 01:43:18 2018 No.9919629 >>9919599 My sickness sleeps.

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 12:07:07 2018 No.9920437

>>9900417
Marihuana smoking conspiracy retards from /pol/ are flooding these threads. It's fucking worse than a year ago.

I was recently diagnosed with 24. In Germany. They did everything with DSM4. It took some neuropsychological testing, talking for hours with a doctor and two psychiatrists and I even had to show them old credentials (with written text about my behaviour) so they can see that this shit is legit.

ADHD is fucking real and everybody claiming something else is a fucking retard. Go to NCBI and read some fucking papers FFS. This shit is quantifiable.

It took me 9 semesters to finish my Bachelor's in physics and only in the end I did realize it took me so long because of my shit attention.

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 12:11:30 2018 No.9920449

>>9903939
No you are fucking dumb. Amphetamines enhances the production of dopamine which is exactly the mechanism fucked with ADHD. It's not a real attention deficit, it's more of a attention scattering or lacking executive function syndrome. And amphetamines fix exactly that. It produces more dopamine so that the brain releases just barely enough (still lower than in neurotypicial brains) and thus leads to better executive function i.e. attention.

It doesn't work the same for healthy brains.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 12:12:33 2018 No.9920451 >>9903981 That's wrong. It does not enhance cognitive performance. Only spergs believe that

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 12:54:00 2018 No.9920513
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The DSM, even the current one, does not have a good track record so I don’t know why you would give credence to its contents. I bet half of you fuckers could be cured by just eating right and getting adequate exercise daily.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 13:11:30 2018 No.9920537 >>9920513 Doing this already it helps a little bit. But people without this syndrome can never grasp it. It's like imaging PTSD when you never had one.

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 13:37:04 2018 No.9920587

Is there even one drug that can be justifiably dolled out to children (people under 18) en masse? I wonder if China has a similarly faulty diagnosis/prescription system, except that they collectively know that it's entirely designed to get the edge on the competition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 17:27:49 2018 No.9921123 >>9908867 I just started on Vyvanse this summer. How long before I'm too far down the rabbit hole?

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 17:36:07 2018 No.9921138

>>9921123
honestly couldn't tell you, side effects vary from person to person and i imagine the dependency i got was partially due to having used it while growing up and developing
for me it dampened my personality and made me more irritable (vs when i'm not on the medicine), but that isn't the case for everyone

it'll probably be a year or two before you start getting that same sort of dependency i did, but i don't really know

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 17:42:52 2018 No.9921147 >>9921138 I was on methylphenidate for about 3 years leading up to this. I'm now at University studying biochemistry, and I'm afraid it'll never end. I'm worried that I won't be able to function as a normal person after I graduate.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 04:39:34 2018 No.9922090

>>9910900
>The source of his problems is that his parents divorced and the mother gives him every single console and game he wants.
This is enabling but its pretty unlikely that he would suddenly reform if you just took away his access to vidya, he would just replace it with something else or seek it out for himself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 04:43:09 2018 No.9922098 >>9900417 I don't think anyone ever said it wasn't real. It was just horribly misdiagnosed/overdiagnosed for like a decade.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 04:46:47 2018 No.9922101

>>9913272
Its retarded is what it is, you dont learn any structure at all 1-12. Not too long ago someone asked me to help them solve a land survey, which the class was solving geometrically, when I did it algebraically they had no fucking clue what happened and no idea that it was equivalent.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 09:31:41 2018 No.9922444

>>9920449
exactly. I so often feel like I can suddenly do everything I never could, just by getting a little dopamine boost in whatever form. It's so important that those levels are well balanced, otherwise you just feel like shit all the time. People who don't wanna believe are just fucking stubborn idiots. I can tell you it's the realest thing I know, I struggle with it every single day and to then see others simply deny it even exists is so infuriating.
This is the shit that gives me suicidal tendencies, inb4 "then just do it faggot" cause i know that's coming. fuckin 4chan """"""""intellectuals""""""""

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:20:34 2018 No.9922514

I actually asked my doctor to prescribe me Ritalin again because I'm having a hard time focusing and studying, I'm 22 and I used Ritalin between 14-17.
This shit is shockingly effective, Before being diagnosed with ADD I was sure I was just a lazy bastard failing absolutely everything, but then I started taking it and shit just became easier, focusing in class became easier, studying became more productive and even my test anxiety eased up to a certain degree.
Not that it's without it's faults, it kills your appetite dead, you sweat more and when you come down from it's effect you feel restless but exhausted at the same time, shit sucks, but it was (and probably will be again) an absolute lifesaver.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:26:25 2018 No.9922521
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>>9922514

I've found that soft exercise helps during the comedown, I would go to dance classes while ritalin is wearing off and I wouldn't even notice it was losing the effect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:30:40 2018 No.9922529 File: 43 KB, 560x560, interested cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9922521 Interesting, I'll take up your advice. Maybe go for a walk outside when I'm supposed to come down or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:33:51 2018 No.9922533 >>9922101 looking back, i don't even understand what confused me so much about algebra. it's kind of a mindfuck thinking about how many math tests and classes i failed. it was so simple all this time but nobody told me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:36:23 2018 No.9922535 >>9922533 your brain was literally less developed back then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:37:54 2018 No.9922536 >>9922533 cont. i think pop culture has a lot to do with this. math is portrayed as some topic that's only approachable by the most gifted and well beyond the grasp of mere mortals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:39:08 2018 No.9922538 >>9922535 what about all the other kids? i had a much harder time than most.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:42:59 2018 No.9922550 >>9922538 Some people are just better attuned for these sort of things, not to mention development is different for every individual. So it could be they had a lead on you at that point in time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:45:07 2018 No.9922554 >>9922550 who knows? maybe i just didn't want to grind through worksheet after worksheet. i think when you get too far behind you become discouraged and tend to avoid the subject.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:45:49 2018 No.9922555

>>9922529

I think it synergizes well with the after effects. Sometimes I would feel restless and kinda exhausted, and maybe that was causing anxiety (why am I exhausted if I didn't move in 4 hours). If I'm doing that soft exercise while the comedown comes my brain probably thinks the exhaustion is due to the exercise and treats it as a normal response.

I'm only hypothesising though, and gotta go back to my study routine before ritalin kicks in and I blurt out a big ass wall of text.

>>9922533

Looking back, I don't even understand why college entrance exams were so difficult for me, I think I could study for one month and crush the exams right now, but as
>>9922535
suggests, our brains were less developed back then.

>>9922538
Welcome aboard. I'm the "intelligent but lazy" guy of the group, the one that fucked up almost every exam while friends and family were losing their shit about it asking how was it possible and blaming my laziness. They were correct, to a point. I was lazy because my high intelligence would allow me to procrastinate and ace every exam, until it didn't. Then I made tons of effort to study and ace exams again, until I couldn't anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:46:30 2018 No.9922556 >>9922554 >i think when you get too far behind you become discouraged and tend to avoid the subject. Story of my school years right there, man.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:47:46 2018 No.9922558

>>9922555

but i'm not lazy, nor do i consider myself that intelligent. i never aced any math exams in high school. not a single one. in fact, i don't know how you guys do it. i wasn't lazy, but the work and social environment did nothing to stimulate my interest.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:52:36 2018 No.9922564

>>9922558

I considered myself a fucking retard because I was failing at college. Took some test and discovered I had 122 IQ and thought "well, there is something truly wrong here if I'm intelligent but my output is completely fucked up". I was in denial for a long time, but still, almost every person that becomes close to me praise my intelligence at some point, so maybe I have shit self esteem.

If maths don't click for you, don't worry. What are your interests? Maybe your brain is very creative and you could put it to use becoming the next Brandon Sanderson if you hone your writing skills, anon.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:58:54 2018 No.9922575

>>9922564

math did eventually click, but it's unfortunate that it took so long. i do like it, i'm just trying to understand how i fell so far behind. i wasn't a dumb child and i had a lot of interest. i loved reading and puzzles. i'm not unique. i think american schools, public and private alike, do a piss poor job.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 11:06:56 2018 No.9922581 >>9920437 >9 semesters Is that a long time in Deutschland? It wouldn’t be out of the ordinary in America.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 22:53:46 2018 No.9923655

>>9903898
I'm gonna be honest, reading your post just gave me vibes that you have some mental illness.

Were you bullied as a child?
Are you internally jealous of some people who to you just seem perfect and have their life all sorted?
Who hurt you?

I don't know what it is about your post.
The lack of any capitalisation on all "I"s , perhaps indicating a severely negative view of oneself. Supported by the phrase "spazzy hyperactive idiot" to describe oneself not sedated by drugs.
The paranoia that people who have different viewpoints on an issue are personally out to get you and to see you fail.
The desperate attempt to seem alpha on a fucking anonymous imageboard, but the "lmfao" lets your insecurity slip.

Sorry to be autistic, but something about your post really caught my attention.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 11:43:28 2018 No.9924548 >Circlejerking eachother's brain deficiencies: the thread

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 15:53:14 2018 No.9925108

>>9901823
>We'll put synthetic fertilizers on depleted lands in order to grow genetically altered food crops, periodically spray them with poisons, and then process them with machines which produce clouds of noxious gas and require industrial lubricants to function properly.
>But the petrochemical packaging will have smiling children on it, and small words, in bright colors.
That's all good things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 16:03:28 2018 No.9925143 >>9901823 If you unironically think organic agriculture is better you should leave this board right now.

Anonymous Thu Aug 9 03:37:07 2018 No.9926231
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I'm on meth right now, currently studying.

This is my fourth semester doing it. I try to keep it to three times a semester. I do it first week of the semester to get back into the swing of things. Crash on weekend. Use some right before fall/spring break, to get ready and ahead for midterms, then use the break to ease back down. The last month I blast through a lot for finals, then crash hard once they're over. I've been pretty disciplined about when to use, just during those key points. I've seen no physical drawbacks yet. The only serious comedown is finals where I'm up for much longer periods.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 04:26:20 2018 No.9926268 >>9923655 cringe not even the guy you responded to, but you're tried way too hard with that post. seriously, because someone doesn't capitalize their "I"s, they are mentally ill? how are stimulants a sedative? at least you acknowledge you're autistic

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 09:11:10 2018 No.9926556 I am diagnosed and nothing you fags say will change the fact that I get access to ritalin so I'm able to live my life normally, instead of going back to the lazy mindless slob I was before my diagnosis

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 09:17:59 2018 No.9926565 >>9901787 There's no test for schizophrenia either, let me guess, that's also a fabrication?

Anonymous Thu Aug 9 11:00:37 2018 No.9926669

>>9903914
>There is no evidence that amphetamines help people with ADHD any more than they help individuals without it.
I work in a school. When one of the kids takes his meds, he can work through the day just fine. You can clearly tell when he'd missed them though. Suddenly the simplest tasks are no longer so simple. I understand that one observation does not a case make, but if you worked with SEN kids, you to would have as much of an experience of just how real these problems are and just how effective clinical solutions are. Additionally, I was diagnosed with ADHD myself, before the 'craze' (which I think is less a craze and more of a realisation just how many people have this problem), I DIDN'T get clinical help, and school was a struggle for me, I'm smart ( BA, Ma, BSc smart) but it took me until my mid twenties to get my shit together, so in actual school I barely made passing grades, certainly not university entry grades. I had to go back into adult education to get my Uni ticket.

The point is, it's not important whether they help those with the issue more than those without it. It's about whether the help those WITH the problem get can get them on roughly even during as those without.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 11:02:56 2018 No.9926674 >>9900417 Anti-vaxxers dont even exist, it's just propaganda from the industry to label anyone who tries to give legitimate criticism to the vaccines. Most of them are pro-vax, the real movement is pro-choice/pro-safe vaccine/pro-informed decision.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 11:03:14 2018 No.9926676 >>9909552 Industrial pharmacy

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 21:09:49 2018 No.9927832 >>9900439 Oral meth is WAY different than smoking meth you absolute fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 05:19:44 2018 No.9928440 >>9926674 > Anti-vaxxers dont even exist, My sweet summer child, they exist and tend to appear on the news when their babies get sick because they didn’t want to vaccinate them

Anonymous Fri Aug 10 06:38:41 2018 No.9928512

>>9928440
Only reason their baby gets sick is because they themselves are vaccinated and didn't pass on immunity through breast milk. Getting the disease as an infant is still not life threatening for pretty much most diseases like measles/chicken pox. Also that is still not anti-vax, they can choose alternative schedules, to spread out their shots which is actually completely viable and doctors are fine with it since there is 0 scientific evidence that you need to get them all in 1 health care visit, it's done purely for convenience.
https://youtu.be/-3cyoJLGbTw?t=5m44s
Nobody needs 9 shots at once, thats crazy to over load a child's immune system with that many diseases and chemicals, there is 0 scientific evidence, no study has ever looked at the cumulative vaccines being used, we simply assume that because we inject them into different limbs it is safe.
These parents are worried about hurting their child with too many, too soon. They want to be good parents, they want to get vaccinated but feel that there is a lack of safety being done simply because the industry has no liability so they push as many vaccines as they can to earn a profit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 10:44:57 2018 No.9928789 >>9928512 Where do you live? That’s not how it works in my country

Anonymous Fri Aug 10 10:52:38 2018 No.9928803

>>9928789
Many European countries have a different vaccine schedule, involving less vaccines.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
Countries with lower vaccine rates have lower IMR and autism rates.
U.S has the 1986 compensation act, which removes all liability from the manufacturers so they can just pump out vaccine after vaccine and not fear backlash.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 13:22:54 2018 No.9929005 >>9917424 >Thinking kids know what's best for them all the time

Anonymous Fri Aug 10 17:11:24 2018 No.9929348

>>9900417
Funny, my mother was told by the family physician that my brother and I needed to be on ADHD medication because we were hyperactive. Turns out we both did just fine without fucking up the neurotransmitters in our brains.

Vaccines have proven benefit, ADHD medications, not so much. Not to mention that fucking up your brain chemistry has ways of causing other issues, just look at drug addicts and people who take antipsychotics/antidepressants. They aren't exactly normal after long term use. The outcome may be better for society, but the individual doesn't necessarily benefit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 02:11:40 2018 No.9930216 >>9927832 Not really? It's the same substance so it's gonna have the same effects... only difference may be the initial rush you get from smoking

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 02:34:13 2018 No.9930241 >>9903939 Uh, no I need my adderall so I don't forget my fucking formulas and have to reinvent the wheel to pass tests.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 02:36:21 2018 No.9930244 >>9929348 To be fair I would be legit psychotic without antipsychotics, evidenced by the extreme paranoia I developed before I was put on them

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 04:50:26 2018 No.9930484 >>9926669 >brain is sorted out at about in mid 20s w/o drugs >human brain stops developing in mid 20s

Anonymous Sat Aug 11 06:58:42 2018 No.9930639

ADHD exists but is way overdiagnosed in order to put hyper active or unruly kids on ritalin or as a coping drug to get kids to work harder

its a verifiable dopamine defficiency that causes the brain to not fire enough "focus" neurons

I treat it with adderall and weed

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 07:02:57 2018 No.9930652 >>9904129 its a diagnosiable illness with a vague and broad test that is used to give everyone amphetamines shitty doctors use it to get results in their patients

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 07:10:27 2018 No.9930667 lovinig all the posts in here that totally ignore the fact that childhood psychiatry was a brand new field in the 90s

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 09:47:17 2018 No.9930891 >>9900417 Taking 2.5mg twice daily of dexmethylphenidate for my ADHD. It's really helped so far, I'd recommend to people who had bad side effects with methylphenidate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 10:00:40 2018 No.9930908 >>9926669 >diagnosed with disease >get degrees and a job anyway >says it's real ok

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 15:39:12 2018 No.9931451 >>9926669 >I'm smart I'm sure

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 23:27:09 2018 No.9932123 >>9930891 >2.5 mg >twice daily are you so hyper-sensitive to stimulants that you actually feel caffeine? that's such an insanely low dose i can't comprehend how it's doing you much more than placebo would

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